1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Quality dias, but that Joseph s got more. Many people 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: think about the dead and one of the names that 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: is probably most prominent among the dead is or are 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: the terms John Doe and Jane Doe. What does that mean? Well, 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: as an old death investigator, it means to me that 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: the person, at least when we began to work on 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: the case, didn't have a specific identity. But in our 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: hearts we know that that person that lay before us, 9 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: without a driver's license, without a family, maybe without dental records, 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: was held in the arms of a mother at some 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: point in time that was loved and caressed for that instant. 12 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: When we in the medical legal profession enter onto the stage, 13 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: they're nameless, But for me, it holds a special meeting. 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Coming to you live from Denver Crime Con twenty twenty five, 15 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybats. I gotta 16 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: do a shout out real quick to the best producer 17 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: and best friend that I would say, as an adult 18 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: I have ever had other than my wife, Kimmy. All Right, 19 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: when you sit across a mic from somebody for a 20 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: long long time now and we're heading toward I don't 21 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: know four hundred and fifty episodes and we've known each 22 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: other prior to that. You get to learn a lot 23 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: about a person. And uh so I'm very grateful to 24 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Dave Mac. Dave Mac my friend. So you give it 25 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: up for Dave and plus I want you to give 26 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: it up to us because we we're at the mercy 27 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: of Nancy Grace. 28 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: So O tell you what, man, these white lights make 29 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: me feel like somebody is going to say they have. 30 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: Of making you talk. This is like scary beams. 31 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: Man, it is that. Or you got any idea on 32 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: your son? Yeah, so there you go. 33 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: We'll be going through that with the rest of you 34 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: at t I A right, that's going to be a 35 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: fun one. 36 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: Where are the tunnels in it? 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. So for us, you know, 38 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: we cover a lot of cases. We do a lot 39 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: of unidentified cases initially, and my heart has always been 40 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: with the unidentified. I was just talking to the folks 41 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: with nam Us, who I'm such a huge fan of, 42 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: because I don't think most people understand how many unidentified 43 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: people there are nationwide. That's why the work that Athram 44 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: is doing. Did anybody get to meet David or Kristin Middleman. Listen, 45 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: they first off there, I don't know if this is 46 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: an accurate comparison, but David Middleman is literally the Elon 47 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Musk of no Man. His IQ is off scales and 48 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: he has such a big heart because his goal is 49 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: to try to get every name off of that list. 50 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that over thirty thousand people that are unidentified. 51 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: There's empty chairs everywhere around this country at Thanksgiving, and 52 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: there's many that will never know who they are, but 53 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: that's their goal. 54 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: And you actually get into where the whole John Doe, 55 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: Jane Doe. 56 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so John Doe itself is. It's kind of an 57 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: interesting history. It goes back to English common law and 58 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: they had to have what was referred to as a placeholder. 59 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: And you know, there are anonymous cases that are brought up, 60 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: you have that have to go to court. You have 61 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: some people that want to remain anonymous. For instance, there's 62 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: many famous cases out there that involve a Jane or 63 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: a John Doe. And over a period of time, it 64 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: seeped into it seeped into the medical legal world because 65 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: we had to have something to call the individual buy. 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: But can anybody tell me what the problem with using 67 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: John or Jane Doe is you. 68 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: Can tell he's a real professor in school, right, You 69 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: know that at Jacksonville State University he actually is a professor. 70 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: He teaches a class. 71 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: So when he asks you questions or gives you homework today, 72 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: you don't have to do it. 73 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: But that's like it was in college for many Yes, 74 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: stay there you go. 75 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: Does anybody know why you shouldn't use those names? Well, yeah, 76 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 1: there's actually people out there with the names of John 77 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: and Jane Doe. And there's actually who would do that. No, exactly. 78 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: That's like naming a kid Richard when his last name 79 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: is head. Come on, yeah, that's that's bad, man, that's bad. 80 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, so you've got people that are out there 81 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: that have these names. 82 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 3: You're just catching that, aren't you. 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: I'll see what you're doing. You when you're out there 84 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: and you have this name that you bear for your 85 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: entire life, and then suddenly you're associated with an unknown person. 86 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: You know your personage, you know that you're not unknown, 87 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: and it creates problems because people will say, you know, well, 88 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: are you real or is this fake? Are you just 89 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: trying to give me a false name? And no, that's 90 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: not the case. And so there have been any number 91 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: of times where you've run into that problem over the years. 92 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: That's why my last stop in the medical legal world, 93 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: we no longer used John or Jane Doe, and we 94 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: had adopted the idea of using you I d unidentified 95 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: And then they get a case number and I know 96 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: it's numbers, but yet it is a specific num or 97 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: to that individual, and we could go back and try 98 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: to get them identified from that point in time if 99 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: we released something about the body out into the public, 100 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: we'll give physical descriptors of them. You know, maybe they 101 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: had red hair, maybe you know, they were six feet tall, 102 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: or whatever the case might be. Sometimes you have skeletal 103 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: remains where you don't have any identifiers whatsoever. If you're 104 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: lucky enough to find teeth that are left behind, you 105 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: can talk about the uniqueness of any kind of restorations, 106 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: dental restorations they may have had, or appliances and that 107 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: sort of thing. But yeah, it's very non specific. But 108 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, for me personally, you know, I think that 109 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: when we're born, we're obviously when we're born, we don't 110 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: have a choice in who were going to be named 111 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: after that rest with your parents and maybe even your grandparents, 112 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: as in my case, that you're going to bear a 113 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: name for the rest of your life. Some of you, 114 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some of you in here that might 115 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: loved the name that you were given. Others not so much. 116 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: Did you know that you were named after somebody? I mean, 117 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: like all your life? Okay, you always knew that you 118 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: were named after a relative? 119 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah? 120 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: Anybody else? Did you know you were named after a 121 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: relative from earliest days? 122 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: Okay? 123 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: Anybody? 124 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: Now? 125 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: How many of you found out later in life that 126 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: you were named after a relative? 127 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: Okay, okay? 128 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: Interesting? 129 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: Yeah? And for me, since I was a little bitty boy, 130 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: I was raised primarily by my grandmother in a town 131 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: called Monroe, Louisiana, And I had families in North Louisiana 132 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: and in South Louisiana, and we were in the branch 133 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: that was up north, and there were If anybody's ever 134 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: read my book Blood Beneath My Feet, I talked about 135 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: my grandmother, Pearl, and we had well, she had five 136 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: sisters and there was one boy, and he was the oldest, 137 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: and his name was Joseph, Joseph Fraser Killian and Joseph 138 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: was married and had kids. He was actually the president 139 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 1: or as they refer to, the secretary of the State 140 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: Painters Union, and he decided who was going to get 141 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: painting contracts, and it was rather a powerful position. 142 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: I guess, well, no, you're in Louisiana and you're talking 143 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: about in the post war forties, right, yeah. 144 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: Well this, Yeah, he was active in the fifties. 145 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeh, a lot of activity between nineteen forty six and 146 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: through the fifties. And he's in charge of doling out contracts, yes, 147 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: to major construction things throughout the state. 148 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and individuals too that would come to him and 149 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: ask for jobs. And you know, a lot of people, 150 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: if you've ever been denied a contract for anything, a 151 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: lot of people get their feelings hurt. 152 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: And with the last name like Killian. 153 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: Well that was his name. But he had run across 154 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: a fellow named James Moore who wanted a contract to 155 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: paint a school and a bridge all right, And as 156 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: you know if you've ever been to Losing and we 157 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: got a lot of bridges there and a lot of 158 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: water to cross, and it was a big contract. And 159 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Sky was a bit unstable. My uncle 160 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: didn't feel cool with giving him the contract, and it 161 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: went to somebody else, and the guy badgered him for 162 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: some time. There were some altercations, and then one day 163 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty one, he's in West Monroe, Louisiana. He's 164 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: sitting in a barbershop. This is my uncle Joseph. He's 165 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: sitting in a barbershop. He's just gotten his hair trimmed. 166 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: He smells of barber salts, you know, hair slipped back. 167 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: And he exits onto the street in West Monroad, which 168 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: is right the street literally is a along the riverfront 169 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: Washtall River there and or was back then. And across 170 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: the street, this fellow named James Moore was sitting in 171 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: a cafe with his wife and he had a thirty 172 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: eight caliber revolver, and the story goes that he was. 173 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: Saying, just to get the geography, Yeah, he's your Joe. 174 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: Killian gets his hair done. 175 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 176 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: And across the street in the little restaurant sits more 177 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: Sim's Cafe was okay, Sim's Cafe where the guy who 178 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: has been denied at least two contracts we know of 179 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: by mister Killian is sitting there with a thirty eight revolver. 180 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: With his wife, with his wife and that he's playing 181 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 4: with he's playing with the bullets. 182 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: On the table and if you've ever you know, seen 183 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: bullets roll across the table and being rolled about there 184 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: very loud, and everybody in the cafe heard him saying that. 185 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: He would say, forgive my loans. He would say, that's 186 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: some bitch Killian killing him, some bitch killing I'm killing him. 187 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: And they knew that he was in the barbershop and 188 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: he began to load the gun, walked out into the street, 189 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: and as my uncle was walking out going to his car, 190 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: he gets into an altercation with my uncle and his 191 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: wife is there as well, Moore's wife. He pushes her 192 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: out of the way and begins shooting my uncle. My 193 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: uncle is adjacent to a car well. He's hitting my 194 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: uncle and my uncle is screaming out, please please make 195 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: him stop, make him stop, and in his last few 196 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: breaths are yeah, it was his last for breath. He 197 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: manages to crawl under the car and Moore continues with 198 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: this thirty eight caliber revolver by sticking it under the 199 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: car and pulls the trigger until it goes click. 200 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: He was pretty determined to take this out. 201 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: He was very, very determined. And the story goes that 202 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: Moore just kind of calmly walks down the street with 203 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: his wife and they're headed towards the river like he's 204 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: going to go fish off the bank of the Washtaw 205 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: River at that point in time, and my uncle lay 206 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: bleeding there in the street. They pulled him out, took 207 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: him to the same hospital where I was born, in 208 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: Saint Francis Hospital in Monroe, and he died in the 209 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: emergency room. And my grandmother, who raised me, practically handled 210 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: all the business for the family. Everything. She was that 211 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: one resilient. I don't know if you guys have a 212 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: relative like this. She handled all of the problems in 213 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: the family. She was the problem solver. Uncle Joe's wife 214 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: was too frash of doing anything. My grandmother took charge 215 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: of everything and handled it. And it was a blinding 216 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: moment for the family. It changed the entire family because 217 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: they never experienced violence like this, and particularly back during 218 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: those days. And it was literally an a daylight execution 219 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: that had happened, and it really hit the papers. 220 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: There were four shots or four He unloaded the gun 221 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: right loaded it, and we know that at least one 222 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: of those shots was when your uncle was standing and 223 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: we know the last one was after he's on the 224 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: ground and under the car where he the killer bends 225 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: down and shoots him under the car. 226 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: Yes, what injuries did he suffer? 227 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is so. My uncle was actually shot in 228 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: the lateral chest. This is if you'll put your if 229 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: you'll raise your hands and put your hand on either 230 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: side in uh anatomically these these are actually the lateral chest. 231 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: You have the chest here and you actually have a 232 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: posterior chest as well. So Uncle Joe was shot in 233 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: his lateral chest. He was shot in the chest, which 234 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: is an indication that the shooter was facing him at 235 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: that point in time. It's probably an initial shot. He 236 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: rotated shot right here, And I've always believed because they 237 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: talked about how he had sustained around that passed through 238 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: his juggler vein, so more than likely he stuck it. 239 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: When he stuck the weapon under the vehicle, it hit 240 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: him in the throat right here. He had he had 241 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: no chance of living at all, and he bled out 242 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: or exsanguinated at that point in time, and then he 243 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: was transported to the hospital. It was horrible. They had 244 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: the wake for him, they buried him, and then Moore 245 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: is left behind right and it Initially the parish prosecutor, 246 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: which in Louisianna you don't have county, you have parishes, 247 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: didn't bring charges. And then when he finally did, his 248 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: initial charge was going to be capital capital murder. And 249 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: he has said that he was going to make sure 250 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: that he went to Angola and he fried. 251 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: Now, there were witnesses to this. It was in the 252 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: middle of the day. 253 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: Guy walks out of a barbershop and others at a cafe, 254 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: at Sim's cafe. You have plenty of people that saw 255 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: what was happening, saw the argument between More and his wife. Right, 256 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: although we don't know what the argument was about. I 257 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: kind of assume that he's rolling bullets across the table 258 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: and she's going, don't do it, don't do it. We 259 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: don't know that, but they get into an argument. So 260 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: there's plenty of people that see that. Before, during, and after. 261 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: Were they willing to come forward? 262 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they got statements from everyone. The police questioned them extensively, 263 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: and you know there was a full you know, this 264 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: case went before grand jury. The DA at the time 265 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: said that he was going to go for in Louisiana 266 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: was first degree first degree homicide, which carries capital punishment, 267 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: still does to this day. But when it came out 268 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: of grand jury, they decided charging with manslaughter. Yeah, and 269 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: so he was charged with manslaughter. They had a state 270 00:15:53,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: politician who was very powerful Louisiana politics. He acts as 271 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: Morris defense attorney, tries to put up a insanity defense 272 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: and fails miserably. More gets convicted of manslaughter and he's 273 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: supposed to be in prison for a minimum of twenty 274 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: five years going to Angola, which, if you're not familiar 275 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: with Angola brutal location. It's probably one of the most 276 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: brutal prisons in America still to this day. And as 277 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: it turned out, they allowed More to go up for 278 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: parole after only two years. 279 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: I still have trouble with the manslaughter. Yeah, I know too, 280 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: because not premeditation. You're sitting there with your coffee and 281 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: you're bacon, and you're rolling bullets across the table, and 282 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: you're thinking, I'm taking that. 283 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: I want to kill Killian. I don't see. 284 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: How you can change that to It was a fleeting 285 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: moment of passion and just oh, you know, makes no 286 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: sense to me. 287 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. And you know, my grandmother and her sisters, 288 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: the whole clan shows up at the you know, at 289 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: the process, at the at the trial. They're watching it 290 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: day after day. He gets convicted, and it's very as 291 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: many families can identify, was very dissatisfying. You know. I 292 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: think that we've seen a lot of cases in recent 293 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: history in the news that leave people less than being 294 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: satisfied with things. 295 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 3: So he serves two years and comes up for parole. 296 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: Comes up for parole, and as it turns out, the 297 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: former lieutenant governor of the state of Louisiana, a guy 298 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: named Bannam, was the brother of the of the guy 299 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: that represented him, and he's on the parole board. 300 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 3: Wow, that's not greged. 301 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: No, No, he winds up recommending him for parole, the 302 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: brother of Huey P. Long, who was the governor assassinated 303 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: in the Louisiana back in the thirties. 304 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 3: Earl Long. 305 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: If you ever saw the movie Blaze with Robert with 306 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: Paul Newman played the crazy governor in Louisiana, this is 307 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: the guy he actually signs, signs his parole. He's released 308 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: after only two years, and so this becomes in my family, 309 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: This becomes a real benchmark for the family moving forward. 310 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: These my grandmother and her sisters were, as you can imagine, 311 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: less than satisfied. So when he was released, my grandmother 312 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: and all of her sisters got together every single year 313 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: and had a black wreath created and it was sent 314 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: to this man's home every single year for at least 315 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: twenty five years, and it was expected. And this happened 316 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: on the anniversary of my uncle's death all this period 317 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: of time, so this was still going on when I 318 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: was born. My uncle died essentially thirteen years before I 319 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: was ever born. So when I came screaming into the world, 320 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: I was the only out of all of my grandmother's sisters, 321 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: which is really interesting. At that time, I was the 322 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: only grandchild and there were no others, and so I 323 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: took it. They gave me the name Joseph. And so 324 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: from the time that you're little, From the time that 325 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: you're little, you're hearing these stories of this person that's 326 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: kind of intertwined with your life, and he becomes kind 327 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: of heroic. From me to kind of give you an 328 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: idea of how it kind of interlaced our family was. 329 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: I was born to teenage parents very young, and they 330 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: had no money. I wound up living with my grandmother 331 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: who took care of me from when I was a 332 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: little bitty. My mother was in the pictures, she was working. 333 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: My father was nowhere to be found, but yet we 334 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: were living with his mother and she took care of me. 335 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, she was this amazing person. Her say was pearl. 336 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: And my father would show up periodically in a very 337 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: violent rage. Most of the time, stayed chronically unemployed, would 338 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: get into fights, these sorts of things, and so he 339 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: jumped forward. I'm growing up in this kind of pretty 340 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: secure environment with my grandmother and their home. My father 341 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: would make an appearance every now and then, but it 342 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: would always erupt into some kind of violence, and then 343 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: he would disappear into the night. In nineteen sixty eight, 344 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: my father showed up at my grandmother's house and was 345 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: unk and had a shotgun, and he's throwing furniture against 346 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: the back of the house, screaming, screaming for the blood 347 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: of everybody in the house, my grandmother, my grandfather, my 348 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: mother shows up from work. He's throwing heavy lawn furniture 349 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: at her, you know, the old cast iron furniture that 350 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: people used to have in there in the yard. Barely 351 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: misses her. My grandfather steps out of the house, grabs her, 352 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: pulls her into the house. My father starts firing off 353 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: the shotgun, and I'm about six at this time, I think, 354 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: And my grandmother takes me into her bedroom and puts 355 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: me under her bed, and I remember still now the 356 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: old man that I am now looking out from beneath 357 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: the bed, and I could see my grandmother's knees, and 358 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: she's in prayer and she's screaming out for to have 359 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: mercy on the family. And my father is still violently 360 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: throwing things against the house, firing shotgun. My grandfather used 361 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: to carry rabbit's foot, and he used to walk around 362 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: with the rabbits foot and he'd rub it all the time. 363 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: It's worn down all the time. He's off another room. 364 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: He didn't exactly wasn't a praying man. My mother was 365 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: able to call for the police, and back then he 366 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: didn't call nine one. You just called what anybody know, 367 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: zero called the operator, and the operator sent the police house. 368 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: And I remember as a little boy, the police getting 369 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: there and my father drunk, bloodied because they had just 370 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: beat him all hell and back in the backyard of 371 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: my parents' house, my grandparents house had armed him. And 372 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: I went to the window and I looked down at 373 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: my father who was cuffed, and these cops back then, 374 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: these deputy sheriffs in Louisiana, you know, North Louisiana's more 375 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: like Texas Center is South Louisiana. And they're dressed in 376 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: khaki tops, khaki pants at all were steps and cowboy hats, 377 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: had cowboy boots on, and they were just beating him senseless. 378 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: He had blood coming out of his nose. And my 379 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: grandmother was very well known around the town. She was 380 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: a paralegal. Unlike many women of her generation. She'd get 381 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: married to she's twenty nine and worked as paralegal for 382 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: years and years, gone to business college. As I called, 383 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: And it was her only son. She was standing there, 384 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: and they kind of saw that it was coming because 385 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: he had a very violent history in the past. He 386 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: had actually when he was thirteen year old, thirteen years old, 387 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: had picked up a double bladed axe and tried to 388 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: kill my grandfather's brother, who was a World War two 389 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: vat and chased him around the yard with a double 390 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: bladed act. So that's that's kind of the man that 391 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: my mother married. Wow, And back then they used to 392 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: give you a choice, and people might find this fascinating. 393 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: They used to give you a choice about relative to 394 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: relative to If you you got a choice. This is 395 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: during the Vietnam era. You either go to prison or 396 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: be joined the Marine Corps, and this was this was 397 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: an option, and he chose the Marine Corps. Well, you've 398 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: got a person that's already unstable anyway, and now they're 399 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: going in the Marine Corps and they're going to get 400 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: sent to Vietnam. So you know, he goes get sent 401 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: to Vietnam, Southeast Asia. 402 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 3: And uh, I'm not going to come back a kinder, 403 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: gentler soul. 404 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: Oh No, he wasn't reformed on any level at all. 405 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: He had not had any epiphanies over there, that's for sure. 406 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 3: He had a really nice necklace of ears though. 407 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: Ye well I never saw that, but I did see. 408 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: I did see all of the It was almost like 409 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: the darkness was super enhanced. You know. When he got back, 410 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: he gathered up me and my mother, I was still 411 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: very young, and drove us to Georgia from Louisiana from 412 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: the only home I've ever known, and deposited me and 413 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: my mother there in a house trailer and was gone 414 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: within six months, and so he left us. You know, 415 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: he took us away from everything that we knew and 416 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: left and kind of vanished into. 417 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: So he got your mom and you away from family, 418 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: friends and all your relationships in Louisiana. Yeah, moves you 419 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: to Georgia, where your mom knows nobody. 420 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then leaves six months. Yeah, okays men, Yeah 421 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 4: he really was. And when we're in Georgia, my mother again, 422 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: she's you know, involved in this process of just trying 423 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 4: to help us survive. And she gets a job and 424 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 4: she winds up working at a textile factory as a 425 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 4: key punch operator, and she winds up meeting this man 426 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 4: who's very wealthy and highly educated. And uh, and I 427 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: discussed this. I did a lad Bottle interview I guess 428 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 4: about a year ago over in London, and I kind 429 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 4: of gave the backstory of this. I'll repeat it right now. 430 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 4: But she marries this man within six months, and he 431 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 4: turns out to be a sadist. 432 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: So wow, I'm not gonna be I don't want to 433 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: knock your mom for being a bad judge of character, 434 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 2: but good gravy. 435 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot of people have asked me about that 436 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: in the wake of a buzz or heart of blood 437 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: beneath my feet. Yeah, and you know, having written a 438 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: book and discussing how my life had gone. And don't 439 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: get me wrong, I know it sounds like sad sack. 440 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: And I'm very grateful. I mean, there are a lot 441 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: of people who like to be in the position I'm 442 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: in right now. I'm very blessed and thankful for everything 443 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: I have. But because of the childhood that I had, 444 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: starting back even before I was born and I'm hung 445 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: you know, with this name of Joseph, it made me 446 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: as I got older, it made me very contemplative about 447 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: this idea. Are we you know, some people say that 448 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: they're born under a cloud. Some people say that, you know, 449 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: your destiny is kind of laid out before you before 450 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: you ever step off into life. And I had often wondered, 451 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: you know, had that kind of been my track because 452 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: early on in my life I was exposed even you know, 453 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: before I was ever born, and there was a homicide. 454 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: Then as I was about six years old, there was 455 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: an attempt at homicide. And then when I was growing 456 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: up with you know, living in the house with this 457 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: man who I can't even begin to describe, the level 458 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: of abuse you know that went on in that environment. 459 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: I used to when I was a small child. I 460 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: would in a young teenager, I would lay in my 461 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: bed and I would pray, and I would pray, and 462 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: I would say, God, if I ever have a wife, 463 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: if I have a family, I'm going to literally go 464 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: opposing to everything I've wanted witness to in my life. 465 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: I was going to absolutely do the opposite. And I 466 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: know that sounds like George Constanza, but I was the 467 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: original George Constanzo. And you know, and it never really 468 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: failed me. This idea, It never really failed me because 469 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: I knew that I had to template my life for 470 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: what not to do. Guys, do you realize how close 471 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: I could have been to going down a different path. 472 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people that come up 473 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: in the same environment that I came up, and they 474 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: weren't provided with opportunities, and they're sitting in prisons right 475 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: now all over the country, and it started off in 476 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: these abusive environments. They're exposed to a lot of the stuff, 477 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that Dave and I talked about 478 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: is the end result of these lives that they've led. 479 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: Some of the cases, not all of them, and you 480 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: bear witness to that throughout your life. And when I 481 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: looked back and I'd finally gotten freed up from the 482 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: house that I grew up in, went off and went 483 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: to basic training in the Army, in the National Guard, 484 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: I really had nowhere to go. And that's when I 485 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: essentially landed in New Orleans, back with that side of 486 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: the family down there, living in Louisiana, working in a hospital, 487 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: trying to go to college. 488 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: You really were the Richard gear character and an officer 489 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 3: and a gentleman nowhere else. 490 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: I got nowhere else to go. Yeah, I knew he 491 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: was name. 492 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: I knew it was after you all all along. 493 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: You'll be my lu Gossage. 494 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: Hey Kim everywhere? Get the hat. 495 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: We you know, you sit there and you think about 496 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: the things that come into your life. And people have 497 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: asked me about my career. You know, how did you 498 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: get started? Because most people think that folks that are 499 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: in forensics and do things that we do, that you 500 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: you're on a very specific path, you know, for education 501 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: and training and all that. I've had a lot of 502 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: people come up to me this past weekend and asked 503 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: me about education. And I'm so grateful for that, but 504 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: I did everything like I said, the opposite. I did 505 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: everything in reverse. I actually started working in the morgue 506 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: as a volunteer. Now they won't let you walk into 507 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: a morgan see an autopsy most of the time, so 508 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: now you know, when I'm in my early twenties, it 509 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: just so happens that the Corner's office in New Orleans 510 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: and Jefferson Parish was being renovated, and I was working 511 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,239 Speaker 1: in this brand new hospital, and for some reason, they 512 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: agreed with the corner, in this pristine environment to allow 513 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: them to bring decomposing bodies into this hospital. And if 514 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: you know anything about South Louisiana, there are a lot 515 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: of decomposing bodies down there. And the reason is the 516 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: environment is so harsh, and so you're kind of in 517 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: this pristine environment. And I started working in the morgue, 518 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: and I sat at the feet of a forensic pathologist 519 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: who took his time to teach me, and that little 520 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: flame was burning within me that had started as a child, 521 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: that I was going to do something with my life 522 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: that no one else could do. I would be willing 523 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: to sit through the most horrible things and bear witness 524 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: to them. And I was going to prove that I 525 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: was not like my biological father, you know, and because 526 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: that had been drummed in my head, You're going to 527 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: turn out just like your father, you know, that sort 528 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,479 Speaker 1: of thing. And so I progressed with my career just 529 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: going to autopsies, going to autopsies, volunteering and doing anything 530 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: that they asked me to do. I teach, now, you know. 531 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: And I have kids that come to me and they say, hey, 532 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: Professor Morgan, how did you get started? And I told 533 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: them I said, I volunteered. They said, you didn't get paid. 534 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: I was like, no, well, I want to paid internship. 535 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't even know what that is. I 536 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: guess they have them. I didn't have one. I worked 537 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: full time, I went to college full time, and then 538 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: I would go to autopsies and eventually, you know, and 539 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: this is kind of a weird space to be in. Sorry, 540 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of a weird space to be in. They 541 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: taught me first in the Morgue how to close a body. 542 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: And when you're closing a body, you use what's called 543 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: a baseball stitch. You get a big S shaped needle 544 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: and you actually use kite string. That's what you use 545 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: and I was taught how to close a body, and 546 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: then I be handed a mop and say clean up everything, 547 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: and clean up a morg is not like clean up 548 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: your kitchen. I'll put it to that way. And then 549 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: one day the pathologist looks at me and says, do 550 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: you want to open? And I was like, the crypt 551 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: you know to take the body out? No, do you 552 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,719 Speaker 1: want to open? And I remember at that moment in 553 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: time thinking I had young lady ask me backstage, what's 554 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: the craziest question you've ever been asked? And I had 555 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: actually had a student one time asked me if the 556 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: dead feel pain? And I'm standing over the body with 557 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: a scalp in my hand under the direction of forensic pathologist, 558 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, I don't know if I can do this, 559 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: and how much pressure do you apply? And this is 560 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: where I'd been watching them do it. I'd been taking 561 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: notes for them staying clean and I clean up. And 562 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: it's a weird moment, tom when you take that blade 563 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: and you press it against the skin and you don't 564 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: know how deep it's going to go, and then you 565 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: begin to make that incision. And I wanted to check 566 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: and make sure that I still had all the fingers 567 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: on my other hand, because I had this terrible fear 568 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: of cutting myself. I remember that and wound up from 569 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: that moment. Tom involved in roughly seven thousand autopsies. I 570 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: guess over the course of my career. 571 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: Does it take more pressure to cut into a dead 572 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: body than a live body? 573 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it can. It all depends on a lot of 574 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: It depends upon the temperature, the cooler that the body 575 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: has been in, because the tissue actually will firm up. 576 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: I've done autopsies or participating in autopsies on bodies that 577 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: were so fresh that when I opened the body, the 578 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: organs were still warm. 579 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 580 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: Come directly from a hospital. It was a major homicide 581 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: investigation that was being done, and you could still feel, 582 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, the heat. I gave my presentation yesterday. Was 583 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: anybody there for post mortum interval? Thank you, Thank you 584 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: for coming. I really appreciate that. The core body temperature 585 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: it was. I've done those autopsies so early on after 586 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: the death event that you know. I talked about core 587 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: body temperature yesterday and how they'd like to try to 588 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: measure in a liver. You could still feel, you know, 589 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: the heat kind of radiating off the Organs. I know, 590 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: anybody that works in at O R here, Uh this 591 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: this sounds ridiculous for them because the environ that they 592 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: work in, they deal with people that are living. But 593 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: when you're in this environment where you're surrounded by the dead, 594 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, because most bodies that you 595 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: get to come into the morgue are refrigerated, you know, 596 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: And uh, it's that's kind of a sensory thing that 597 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: goes on with you at that moment time. And you know, 598 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: when you're you're young, you're you're envisioning all kinds of 599 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: things you know that that could go wrong that you've done. 600 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: You know that you haven't learned everything that you need 601 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: to know because not only it's not like doing an autopsy, say, 602 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: for instance, in a hospital where you're looking for specific 603 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: disease pathology. In forensic autopsies, you have to think about 604 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: disease pathology, but you also have to think about trace 605 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: evidence as well. What am I doing prior to have 606 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: I collected everything that needs to be collected, What am 607 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: I doing internally? And if I open the body in 608 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: this manner, am I going to screw up a wound track? 609 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: Because you don't want to cut across a particular area, 610 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: and the wound track can be either a firearm's projectile, 611 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: it can be a knife injury. I've had. I've had 612 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: cases that have come in that I've assisted in where 613 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: I've literally I've had people that are impaled on things, 614 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: and so where they will the firefighters will come out 615 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: and they'll clip like a piece of rebar. I've had 616 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: that happen several times where you'll clip it at this end, 617 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: clip it at this end, and the indwelling piece of 618 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: rebar arrives with the body and the morgue, and you 619 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: don't want to remove it at the scene because you 620 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: want to try to be able to track it if 621 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: you can, you want to be able to X ray it. 622 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: And then if you have multiple gunshot wounds. I remember 623 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: we had a case involving a fellow that weighed roughly 624 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty plus pounds that died in the 625 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: back of a trailer house and he was bloated in 626 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: addition to that, and he had been shot. He had 627 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: been shot with a twenty five caliber pistol, which is 628 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: a very caliber. That particular firearm held seven rounds. They 629 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: reloaded three times. So we had twenty one rounds in 630 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: this guy that was morbidly obese, decomposing, and so you 631 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: had multiple wound tracks that were running throughout his body. 632 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: There was a lot of anger involved in that came now. 633 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: I was just thinking it took extra time to get 634 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 2: him because of all the flubb. 635 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: Well, we actually could not get him down the hallway. 636 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: They cut the back end, the back corner of the 637 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: trailer out and we removed him that way with the 638 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: fire department and literally put him into the back of 639 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: the pickup truck and covered him. Wow, to get him 640 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: to the moor. 641 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 3: You imagine driving down the road that she gives way 642 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 3: in the back and. 643 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's actually happened. It is not to me, 644 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: not to me. 645 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 3: But hey, before we move. 646 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: Forward, I want to stop real quick because you mentioned 647 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: a number of things. Yeah, overcome your upbringing where they 648 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 2: say you're going to be just like your father, you're 649 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 2: never going to raise above it, and you actually make 650 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 2: a conscious decision to be the opposite. 651 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 3: I am not going down this path. 652 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be the guy that terrorizes a 653 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 2: six year old under the bed while his grandmother hits 654 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 2: her knees begging God to intercede. You made that call 655 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 2: to be different, and you went on a different track. 656 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: Now this weekend, a lot of you, because of your 657 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 2: schedule of speaking, a lot of you came by the 658 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 2: booth and I had a chance to talk to a 659 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 2: lot of you, And I'm so thankful for that because 660 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 2: y'all have no idea what you mean to us. But 661 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 2: many people Joe you have asked about getting involved in 662 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 2: a career in what we do, whether it's podcasting or forensics. 663 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 2: A number of you asked about how does somebody get 664 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: involved in this? Can you volunteer, you know, to learn 665 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 2: how to work with a dead body? Others have talked 666 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,919 Speaker 2: to the podcast Again, I'm going to tell you this, 667 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 2: it does. 668 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 3: Not matter how old you are right. 669 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 2: This minute, September seventh, in Denver, Colorado at Crime Con 670 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. If you want to do something with 671 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 2: your life, do it. All you have to do is 672 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 2: say I'm starting today. Whatever you've done in the past 673 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 2: just got you here, Apologize for the mistakes you've made, 674 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 2: pray for forgiveness, and. 675 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 3: Move forward today. Leave here with a goal. 676 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 2: If you want to learn how to do what Joe does, 677 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 2: then for the love please go look up Jacksonville State 678 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 2: University online. We've been handing out stuff all weekend. There's 679 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 2: a great program there. 680 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 3: He did that you can learn. 681 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 2: You're not too old. I promise you. It doesn't matter. 682 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 2: Nobody cares how old you are when you start. It's 683 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 2: a long game. 684 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. 685 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 2: And I guarantee you if you don't do it, it 686 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 2: ain't gonna happen. And next year you'll be here going wow, 687 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 2: I should have done that a year ago. Yeah, you 688 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 2: should have. Merry Christmas. 689 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: With that said, pushing forward into the media and doing 690 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: everything that you do, remembering. I think, for me, where 691 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: I come from, the source of my name. There are 692 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: many times I really wonder, because I never met him, 693 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: I really wonder if I've done Uncle Joe Prowd, hoping 694 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: that I've taken that name forward. And my son, his 695 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: name is Noah, but his middle named This is Joseph. 696 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybags.