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Speaker 1: make sure that you know that you are the darkest one. Colorism,
Speaker 1: the disturbing truth. We don't talk about my grandmo Let say,
Speaker 1: don't go outside and don't darken on my family. And
Speaker 1: I still get emotional right now because you think I'm
Speaker 1: a kid. Afro Latinos speak out about the discrimination they
Speaker 1: face within their own community because whatever it is, it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like me. Our culture secret exposed at the
Speaker 1: Red Table. A lot of us are very hypocrite. Why
Speaker 1: why there is racism? Don't pretend to like us and
Speaker 1: really not like us. Latino that is a term that
Speaker 1: unites all Latinos, regardless of nationality or skin color. It's
Speaker 1: about a shared culture and a sense of belonging. But
Speaker 1: let's be clear, being Latino is not a race. There
Speaker 1: are black Latinos, white Latinos in every shade in between.
Speaker 1: One in four US Hispanics identify as Afro Latino and
Speaker 1: two thirds of Hispanics with darker skin colors report discrimination.
Speaker 1: Common yet racist phrases such as major rasa or improving
Speaker 1: the race encouraged generations of Latinos to value European features
Speaker 1: and skin tone. One survey showed that of dark skinned
Speaker 1: individuals were viewed as lesson intelligent and therefore less worthy.
Speaker 1: Len go what case is self? This is what colorism
Speaker 1: looks like. It may not be something we want to acknowledge,
Speaker 1: but that's exactly why we wanted to bring it to
Speaker 1: the table. We cannot know what it's like to be
Speaker 1: in the skin of darker Latinos because we were born
Speaker 1: like this. In Latino families, you can have someone with
Speaker 1: very dark skin, you could have someone with very light skin,
Speaker 1: and they can be brother and sister. That dynamic within
Speaker 1: the family can cause your family to treat you different.
Speaker 1: People looking from the outside to treat you different. Which
Speaker 1: is why we need to use this platform to amplify
Speaker 1: this issue because I don't know what that feels like.
Speaker 1: It breaks my heart to think that after Latinos feel
Speaker 1: racism in their own family. Because you think of racism
Speaker 1: as a general thing in society, we need happens in
Speaker 1: your own family is very difficult. Is that feeling of
Speaker 1: being the trauma of being oppressed. As humans, we tend
Speaker 1: to get close to what makes us comfortable, and sometimes
Speaker 1: we treat different as less then, and that is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest issues in the world. This is something
Speaker 1: that needs to be gutted from the inside out because
Speaker 1: they're dealing with things in their life that we will
Speaker 1: never know merely as a result of the color of
Speaker 1: their skin. Here we go, girls. Caramo is best known
Speaker 1: as the culture expert on the hit show Queer Eye,
Speaker 1: which I love. But what you may not know is
Speaker 1: that Cadamo's grandmother was Cuban. For most of his life,
Speaker 1: he rejected his Latin roots because of the racism he
Speaker 1: felt within his own family. Welcome to the table, baby,
Speaker 1: I am loving this sweater right now. Appreciate so much
Speaker 1: trying to be a little sexy and your grandma's Cuban.
Speaker 1: I'm inted helping Maka yes Ja Jamaica. Yeah. And she
Speaker 1: uh lighter, Yes, she she was, but she was lighter
Speaker 1: growing up. I felt very embarrassed even today, to be honest,
Speaker 1: talking to the producers and talking to people every time
Speaker 1: they refer to me as Afro Latino or Latino. I
Speaker 1: get very uncomfortable still to this thing something it's very new.
Speaker 1: Your Latino family did not accept you. Not accept sounds deliberate.
Speaker 1: I don't think they understood what they were doing, but
Speaker 1: it was this subliminal, unconscious, internalized racism that was in them.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like within your family, if somebody's lighter,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll joke and be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: because you're the darker one and I'm the lighter one.
Speaker 1: And that of course, of course, for me, playing outside
Speaker 1: as a kid was nerve wracking because my grandmo would say,
Speaker 1: don't go outside and don't darken up my family. Don't
Speaker 1: darken up my family. Don't darken up my family. So
Speaker 1: I would not go outside until after five pm because
Speaker 1: then the sun would be less. And I still get
Speaker 1: emotional right now because you think, I'm a kid and
Speaker 1: I should not have to be thinking about not going
Speaker 1: outside and playing because I don't want to get darker.
Speaker 1: So that my grandmother doesn't say a comment. Maybe she
Speaker 1: even thought she was trying to protect it, and that's
Speaker 1: what it was, and that it was going to be
Speaker 1: better for you to be lighter. Her intention was to
Speaker 1: protect me to to try to say things that she
Speaker 1: thought was going to help me. But the impact is
Speaker 1: that it destroyed me emotionally. But it also made me
Speaker 1: feel like I wasn't connected to my culture intentions. Impact
Speaker 1: is huge. My family is to say, oh, your nose,
Speaker 1: and my grandmother, even my mother would squeeze my nose.
Speaker 1: But it was because it's more My nose is more African,
Speaker 1: my nose is more black. And for many years I
Speaker 1: kept saying to myself, I need a nose, y'all. I
Speaker 1: did not know where that internalized hatred I had for
Speaker 1: myself was coming from your drama. I mean, we don't
Speaker 1: realize it, but you know it starts with the family
Speaker 1: that people around you. You know, like those experiences are
Speaker 1: going to mark you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: I'm the only boy. I have sisters, and they range
Speaker 1: from very light to I have one sister who's the
Speaker 1: darkenst and her treatment was the worst. The reason that
Speaker 1: I am the person on queer Eye that has the
Speaker 1: emotional and mental conversations is because I understand the trauma
Speaker 1: and damage where maybe and not to discount my sisters
Speaker 1: who are lighter, they didn't experience because they were well, Nita,
Speaker 1: there were all these things that were for me. I
Speaker 1: didn't hear those things as often. But you're gorgeous. Have
Speaker 1: you ever been told that you couldn't possibly be lat
Speaker 1: you know, because you're black? Yes, it wasn't even a question.
Speaker 1: It's I meanly like, no, no, no, you're Jamaican. There's
Speaker 1: no Cuban and it's an easy way just to dismiss
Speaker 1: me and discriminate me. That's why I love what you're
Speaker 1: doing here, because there's so many people who are going
Speaker 1: to watch you hear this for the first time and say, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a problem. Maybe I shouldn't be making these comments.
Speaker 1: And so what I love about this conversation is that
Speaker 1: for those individuals who are experiencing their mental health, their
Speaker 1: emotional health being damaged, this is a moment where you
Speaker 1: can understand that you are beautiful as you are. Because
Speaker 1: it's a journey that I'm going on right now to
Speaker 1: love myself because of the internalized racism that I heard
Speaker 1: and experienced from my Latin side, and I started to say,
Speaker 1: I have to build myself back up conversations like this
Speaker 1: where I look at you all and you look like
Speaker 1: people my family and you're affirming me for the first time.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I'm getting chills, I'm getting emotional. It's
Speaker 1: like I feel included. You have to go through a
Speaker 1: process after trauma to understand it, to turn it into
Speaker 1: something meaningful, to then be able to help somebody else.
Speaker 1: You don't just live like this, go through trauma and
Speaker 1: then oh, sure, I'm fine, I'm unaffected by love to
Speaker 1: build that time, however, you change it with your sons.
Speaker 1: I tell them the skin is gorgeous. The darker it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure they hear it, and I
Speaker 1: realize it's important the language I have in my home.
Speaker 1: I no longer allow other family members, cousins, aunt's, uncle's,
Speaker 1: anyone to make comments to my kids and me to
Speaker 1: walk away. It's important for me now to be respectful
Speaker 1: of my family, especially those who are older, but to
Speaker 1: also say, this is why that is hurtful, this is
Speaker 1: why it is damaging, and this is why I'm hoping
Speaker 1: we can talk about why you think that's okay to say,
Speaker 1: and how you changing that could actually make us a stronger.
Speaker 1: Fact because a stronger because they don't but they're comparing.
Speaker 1: There's something I say to people all the time. Comparison
Speaker 1: is the thief of joy. If you want to steal
Speaker 1: the joy from your family, whether it's their skin tone,
Speaker 1: whether it's their education, keep comparing your kids and see
Speaker 1: if you don't steal the joy and the love that's
Speaker 1: in your home. And let's try to be better. Let's
Speaker 1: try to really think about what we're saying to each
Speaker 1: other as human beings. I understand that your boyfriend Carlos
Speaker 1: is with you. Do we have him join us? Because
Speaker 1: I think it would be so relevant to this conversation.
Speaker 1: God like, beautiful couple it is. How did you guys
Speaker 1: meet on Instagram? I sat in to them the DM
Speaker 1: very quickly. He's a beautiful photographer and creative director, and
Speaker 1: so I saw his work and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I like this work. But then I saw his face
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I like updated black men,
Speaker 1: Latin men, white men. I was with a man who
Speaker 1: for three and a half years he's Puerto Rican, and
Speaker 1: I not once tried to speak Spanish, tried to expose
Speaker 1: my culture, do anything, and with that person I could
Speaker 1: not connect because I was too afraid. This is the
Speaker 1: first time I've ever felt comfortable and embracing my Latin
Speaker 1: side being with Carlos um and it's and I'm getting
Speaker 1: pretty good at it, thank you. And it's only be
Speaker 1: because Carlos and I practice in practical tota and and
Speaker 1: like h the only way no fear, you're jumping. But
Speaker 1: the fear has went away because he doesn't judge me
Speaker 1: to no cuentamario. I'll tell you what I think making
Speaker 1: the race better is understanding and not creating these barriers
Speaker 1: or even having to say their phrase in Mexico contacto
Speaker 1: as Latinos. We need to make sure we're looking at Wow.
Speaker 1: That's the first time I ever said we yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. That's crazy. That was really just it. That's great.
Speaker 1: But and so we had to think about what internalized
Speaker 1: within the Latino community. Are we saying to ourselves and
Speaker 1: believing and then passing on that is wrong about fo
Speaker 1: Latinos or black people period? What do you GUYSA we
Speaker 1: have to learn just we need to do better. We
Speaker 1: can't change what happened before we can learn from it
Speaker 1: and try to move forward. Thank you, thank you for
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Speaker 1: just are shooting from the hip talking about everything nothing
Speaker 1: at the same time, including topics like what people think
Speaker 1: about Latinos that don't speak Spanish. Basically what he said was, oh,
Speaker 1: you're a Mexican that doesn't speak Spanish. That's like a
Speaker 1: taco with no south side, like a taco with no flavor.
Speaker 1: Like she took that. It was like, this was a
Speaker 1: year ago and I didn't get accepted, time sets and everything,
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Speaker 1: a year later, exact design was on like a carvers
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Speaker 1: but she but she put on a blue up right exactly.
Speaker 1: It started off as like this posh you know online.
Speaker 1: So there was a time where I was like it
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Speaker 1: Broke on the I Heart Radio app, on Apple podcast,
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. When was a child,
Speaker 1: she felt she was discriminated against because of the color
Speaker 1: of her skin and the texture of her hair. Now,
Speaker 1: as the start of love and hip Hop Miami, which
Speaker 1: I also love, she's using her voice to speak up
Speaker 1: for black Latinos. Welcome at your Yeah, sharing the dove,
Speaker 1: sharing the love. Born Diana dan Ellis de Losantos got
Speaker 1: her start in show business at four years old, dancing
Speaker 1: in the popular Spanish variety series Sabadogan. We're both she
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Speaker 1: I started off as Diana Losantos back when I used
Speaker 1: to you know, work at S Francisco, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: now that I'm grown, I don't know how you did
Speaker 1: it because that was a lot that why why why,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. Being on that
Speaker 1: platform it was young, I learned a lot from it.
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for the opportunity. You know, we know that
Speaker 1: he wasn't a you know, the easiest cookie um, at
Speaker 1: least not for me. And obviously no, no, you don't
Speaker 1: mean born that we grown now and there was many
Speaker 1: things that he could have done with his platform to
Speaker 1: help people like myself during choreographers, they never knew where
Speaker 1: to place me is gonna look awkward. He was one
Speaker 1: of those that also made a lot of those umgusto
Speaker 1: Joe because you know, no who's gonna go against the power,
Speaker 1: like okay, racist comments with racist Yet years ago we
Speaker 1: didn't have this car and the people have gotten away
Speaker 1: with it. Because even if you knew it and I
Speaker 1: love all these great things, yes, but if you had
Speaker 1: the opportunity of going to sleep and waking up black,
Speaker 1: would you want to wake up black? Would you want
Speaker 1: to be treated as a black person? And this is
Speaker 1: where I come in where I'm like, okay, let's have
Speaker 1: real conversations. Okay, but you were the only black little
Speaker 1: girl and how many years? Remind me? Five years is
Speaker 1: a rate accomplishment. Come on, Londo, we've been here for
Speaker 1: the longest time. There isn't a Latin country that doesn't
Speaker 1: have black people, perto Rico Cuba, every single place in
Speaker 1: the world. And that's the part that I feel that
Speaker 1: it's unfair. That's how built like everybody was like drama
Speaker 1: and we just try to cover it up, yo, But
Speaker 1: a lot of us are very hypocrite, and that's just
Speaker 1: the truth. You know what I'm saying, there is racism,
Speaker 1: do you racista? I would never would you want your daughter,
Speaker 1: your son to marry a black person? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They're hoppy, but she's right. Not most people
Speaker 1: are not like most most people have the subtext of racism.
Speaker 1: Whether they tell you to your face, I'm not racist,
Speaker 1: they're feeling it in there and it's the truth. This
Speaker 1: is not to pain for anybody on this table specifically,
Speaker 1: it's for the people that are watching. They and it's
Speaker 1: the truth. And if you're racist, don't pretend to like
Speaker 1: us and really not like us. Do what We leave
Speaker 1: the same thing with the notes. I've heard it all,
Speaker 1: and they make sure that you know that you are
Speaker 1: the darkest one. It's like, I see, I gotta tell
Speaker 1: me And don't get it twisted with this wig that
Speaker 1: I got on right now, the badness I got my curls.
Speaker 1: I embrace it. I played part of the game. I
Speaker 1: know what it is. I know that African American parents
Speaker 1: have the talk. Yes to Latino Afro Latino parents have
Speaker 1: that talk, or Afro Latinos still black, Yes, we still
Speaker 1: have to have that conversation. No, but do the question
Speaker 1: listen to what you just told you Afro Latinos blood,
Speaker 1: You'll never if you walk by a street, you walk
Speaker 1: by a supermarket or whatever, there's always a security walking.
Speaker 1: Do you need anything, man, do you need anything? No?
Speaker 1: I don't. Why don't you ask somebody else? That's why
Speaker 1: to me, I'm so passionate about it, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to sugarcoat it. Being black, it's not being black
Speaker 1: in America, it's not being black in Cuba, it's not
Speaker 1: being black, and it's being black in the world. Just
Speaker 1: see us as people, you know, Just see us as people. Man.
Speaker 1: What you said is so important. Feel the fierce need
Speaker 1: if somebody says something in aproperate to be like that
Speaker 1: is disturbing, severely inappropriate. And also I want to ask
Speaker 1: is it okay if I say something? Is it okay
Speaker 1: if I insert myself here? Because I feel like I
Speaker 1: almost have to use my voice. But I also don't
Speaker 1: want to make anybody uncomfortable. Whatever you feel in your
Speaker 1: heart and in your spirit, you do it, stand behind it,
Speaker 1: and especially if you know that it's coming from a
Speaker 1: good place. None of us will ever feel some type
Speaker 1: of way because you're defending us, because you're standing up
Speaker 1: for us. We're grateful because no one does it. Growing up,
Speaker 1: you never saw people like us select those. To me,
Speaker 1: it was life and I had the honor of being
Speaker 1: able to work with her the way she went through
Speaker 1: a lot of discrimination in Cuba and even when she
Speaker 1: had the opportunity having a major role. I've gone to auditions,
Speaker 1: but novels and yawn exactly, we have like too. They've
Speaker 1: told me we went. So then here comes apart where
Speaker 1: I'm more because people Latina. With all due respect, Jennifer
Speaker 1: Lopez COMOHI whatever it is, it doesn't look like me.
Speaker 1: I have to agree with you. We have grown very much,
Speaker 1: really have we? How many black people do you see?
Speaker 1: How many black people do you see? How many black
Speaker 1: people do you see the covers of magazines? Do you
Speaker 1: see them in movies? No? You don't. So it's like,
Speaker 1: have we really evolved? You? For me and I started
Speaker 1: doing emotion when I hear you're talking was super impactful.
Speaker 1: You don't understand how important it was for me to
Speaker 1: see you on love in hip hop. If I would
Speaker 1: have had you as a kid, Jesus, but I'm so
Speaker 1: thankful that I had you as a grown man. I
Speaker 1: know that there's not enough and there you still are
Speaker 1: tokenized in so many ways. But I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: even though you are that one and there should be more,
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that you are the one. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, seriously, thank you. I have to give you
Speaker 1: all the credit in the world as well. I remember
Speaker 1: one of the most important moments in my career was
Speaker 1: performing with you on stage in the Americans. Like you,
Speaker 1: always make sure to give that credit to everyone, because
Speaker 1: it takes a team to make those performances happen, and
Speaker 1: within that team there were people like us. And even
Speaker 1: though that I was very young, I shall always be great.
Speaker 1: Thank you. But you know what's funny, I thought it
Speaker 1: was us, I know, sharing our African traditions and are
Speaker 1: such a part of who we are, and to me,
Speaker 1: that's celebratory. You don't know because how impactful certain moments
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Speaker 1: Anna Oliaga overcame many obstacles to help Amra pursue her dreams.
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Speaker 1: Who's theseus? Oh like a young ANIMALA? No? No, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: Dr Elizabeth Horge Freeman has spent her life studying the
Speaker 1: effects of prejudice and racism towards after Latinos throughout the
Speaker 1: US and Latin America. Welcome Dr Freeman. We're so happy
Speaker 1: to have you in this free for all that I
Speaker 1: am just so excited to be part of the table.
Speaker 1: You've been listening to their story, Yeah, I'm sure You're
Speaker 1: brain is exploding with so many and statistics and connections.
Speaker 1: Please enlightened listening to both Amata stories and Karamo stories.
Speaker 1: In many ways they resonate with the patterns and trends
Speaker 1: that we see across Latin America and across the United
Speaker 1: States with Afro Latinos. Is the conversation about the journey
Speaker 1: learning and unlearning, right, so learning your history, learning to
Speaker 1: own who you are, learning to own your body, but
Speaker 1: also to unlearn some of the negative anti black attitudes
Speaker 1: that are expressed in families and seen in broader society.
Speaker 1: And even when we talk about family, oftentimes families are
Speaker 1: making decisions about who to invest in because they're thinking
Speaker 1: about who's the better investment, who has the best shot.
Speaker 1: And there were a number of cases where you have
Speaker 1: mothers oftentimes treating their children differently based on what they
Speaker 1: look like and what that would translate into with differences
Speaker 1: and how children were eating, where they went to school,
Speaker 1: if they went to private versus public school. You also
Speaker 1: had a case where it wasn't just mothers. There was
Speaker 1: a father who literally gave away his three darker scant
Speaker 1: daughters to raise his lighter scanned daughters. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a it was a pretty brutal situation, trauma, and
Speaker 1: how can we listen to that discrimination and families dressers
Speaker 1: are away? So education is part of that, but that
Speaker 1: treatment is connected to the broader social structure. Right, So
Speaker 1: this isn't about fixing families, It's about fixing our society
Speaker 1: because in so much of the conversation about discrimination and colorism,
Speaker 1: we focus so much on color, and I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure we recognize that it's not just color.
Speaker 1: It's hair, it's features, it's lit, it's lit, it's all.
Speaker 1: It's this constellation of racial features that shape people's outcomes.
Speaker 1: And that's when the crux of my work is to
Speaker 1: understand and unpacked how that plays out in people's lives.
Speaker 1: What's the difference between race and this is a really
Speaker 1: great question raised. No, let me explain what race and
Speaker 1: ethnicity are both of these categories are first of all,
Speaker 1: constructed categories. Humans made these of goors, and what they
Speaker 1: mean actually varies depending on what country you're coming from.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I have to say that upfront,
Speaker 1: these are not kind of objective categories. But when we
Speaker 1: talk about race, we're typically talking about physical features, whereas
Speaker 1: ethnicity refers to culture, it refers to language, it refers
Speaker 1: to kind of people's social experiences, and it's often connected
Speaker 1: to geographic area. The other question that people sometimes ask
Speaker 1: is how does nationality fit with this? Then if that's raised,
Speaker 1: and that's ethnicity, nationality is just about your legal identity,
Speaker 1: where do you have your citizenship? Oftentimes folks they mix
Speaker 1: up all three of these terms. They don't understand that
Speaker 1: Latinos are a pretty heterogeneous group that consists of lots
Speaker 1: of different racial categories. Okay, so wait, we're so I
Speaker 1: am race for Cuban. Okay, so let's let's break it down.
Speaker 1: Are you a Cuban citizen? No America? So you are
Speaker 1: American American? Yeah? Okay, and then my race, well, your race,
Speaker 1: what is your race's part Lebanese parts? Yeah, let's talk
Speaker 1: about physical features? How are you read here in the
Speaker 1: United States. I would cogor to say that you are white.
Speaker 1: You're white. You are white. I am white, she is white.
Speaker 1: We are white. Now your ethnicity, you're you're clearly Latina, right,
Speaker 1: this is this is part of what we're here to
Speaker 1: talk about. But even that category is interesting because some
Speaker 1: Latinos feel like, well, I don't necessarily want to be
Speaker 1: just subsumed in this Latino category because in some ways
Speaker 1: that Latino ethnicity subsumes Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic. All
Speaker 1: these categories are just thrown into this Latino ethnicity. It's
Speaker 1: a convenience that we created. The issue becomes that folks
Speaker 1: don't see black folks as equal because they don't have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to see us possiming at the same level.
Speaker 1: Those are the game today, they are today. Yeah. That's
Speaker 1: by the way that I wish that we could continue
Speaker 1: this conversation all day too. But the words I'm taking
Speaker 1: away from this communication love and unity and support for
Speaker 1: each other and allies. Thank you God, amo Amada, Dr
Speaker 1: Horge Freeman for sharing your stories. This is a tough
Speaker 1: conversation that we need to continue to have in order
Speaker 1: for things to change. So thank you for being here
Speaker 1: and for pouring out your hearts to us. And we
Speaker 1: want to end this red Table with a special performance
Speaker 1: by my beautiful Emily singing her song I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be over. It's one of my favorites that she's
Speaker 1: ever written. In college, I had an experience with a
Speaker 1: friend of mine who was dark skin. We went to
Speaker 1: eat in a restaurant, got our food to then which
Speaker 1: the waitress came over and said, you guys need to go.
Speaker 1: You're not welcome to eat here. And I literally was
Speaker 1: like why, And she looked at my friend and touched
Speaker 1: her skin, and um. It really made me feel the
Speaker 1: need to use my voice and put my anger from
Speaker 1: that experience on paper and try to get it to
Speaker 1: as many people as possible to show that not only
Speaker 1: am I an ally, but this is bothersome and we
Speaker 1: need to speak up as human beings. Mm hm ah ah.
Speaker 1: Forward dreams made believe moving on with something weird, to
Speaker 1: come to term with the absurd. He is from freedom,
Speaker 1: yet somehow disturbed. Fifty two twenty new gets are in
Speaker 1: numbers in between. When will the jet reveal its in
Speaker 1: equating triumph with the color of a skin? I just
Speaker 1: find it to be over. I just find it to
Speaker 1: be to be thru. I just want it to be
Speaker 1: all by e, to be to be fru. Hey, it's
Speaker 1: me family, tree blue with lighter fluid on my dreams.
Speaker 1: I hide the roots aground me to this earth. I
Speaker 1: fear the only predetermined gives a bird. It's not too
Speaker 1: late to right their arms of fame. Forgetful Linz. The
Speaker 1: only Manda Lame increases sus Let's focus in Raise your
Speaker 1: girls to be my Tina lutherankays to be a by,
Speaker 1: to be frue, to be's rude. I just want to
Speaker 1: just want to be fool chub woo mm just oh
Speaker 1: to be to be through, to be through. I want
Speaker 1: to be fool, to peace, to be through, to be through,
Speaker 1: to be through, to be through. M Thanks for listening.
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