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Speaker 1: CAV podcast Man special guests in here. Cassidy welcome, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. Boy. Listen, you are one of my
Speaker 1: favorite rappers. Brou like when I was a kid. Man, Listen,
Speaker 1: I bought Split Personality. I'm a hustler bars all that shit. Man. Nah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Man. I always say when it comes
Speaker 1: to like and it did it without you? If you
Speaker 1: ain't buy it, I wouldn't it so allowed on records, yo, Listen,
Speaker 1: when it comes to like punchlines, I always say it's
Speaker 1: you and Lloyd Banks as the ghats man. That's hard yeah. Man.
Speaker 1: So it's good to see you brother. I'm just happy
Speaker 1: I'm in the conversation. You know, everybody have a different
Speaker 1: group of people they put me in the conversation with.
Speaker 1: But I'm just happy I'm in it all the time.
Speaker 1: What was that talking about the best punches and then
Speaker 1: you had that had that record where you was the
Speaker 1: intro where you was battling yourself. Yeah, I got another
Speaker 1: one too. I just did arp rb E Real Breed
Speaker 1: and the team and he hosted it. Okay, came to
Speaker 1: the stud through some money on the ground for me
Speaker 1: to battle myself and I did a new one so
Speaker 1: it'll be out. So on what was that the Hustler
Speaker 1: verse the what was the name of the record? I
Speaker 1: did two of them. It was the intro on one
Speaker 1: of your albums for you. It was like it was
Speaker 1: the Hustler versus the on the Bars album and I'm
Speaker 1: a hustle album. Yeah, man, crazy man. One time I
Speaker 1: did the Problem versus the Hustler, and that's the one.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it was the Hustler versus Bars. Well, listen, mans,
Speaker 1: have you here? You've been doing a lot of battling
Speaker 1: too lately. Yeah. Yeah, I'm back man, I'm back in
Speaker 1: the in the ring in my bag. It got me
Speaker 1: feeling young again. You know. That's how it started the music, battling,
Speaker 1: being competitive. So it's helping me get back to my roots.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say for you, is it like you've
Speaker 1: had such a long journey through music? Do you do
Speaker 1: you feel like because I feel like when when people
Speaker 1: see some of these lineups, right, And I was just
Speaker 1: talking to a ness about this. Like I'm like, like
Speaker 1: the battle rap world is such a like niche hip
Speaker 1: hop space that like people can be like real hardcore
Speaker 1: hip hop heads and really not be super tapped in
Speaker 1: what's going on in the battle world. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Of course it's his own it's his own universe, man, right,
Speaker 1: you know, And you're like a name where if you're
Speaker 1: on the fly er, like anybody's like, oh, that's Cassidy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like you're bringing eyes to
Speaker 1: that world that maybe not would have checked it out otherwise,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you find it easy
Speaker 1: for you to thrive in that space in terms of
Speaker 1: like because you're bringing like you kind of bringing a
Speaker 1: lot of eyes to it. So I'm sure you could
Speaker 1: charge more than most people. Yeah, like that lane, that
Speaker 1: form of bad le rap I started it, Like, nobody
Speaker 1: never really seen that form of bad or rap before
Speaker 1: they've seen me in a freeway battle legendary. You might
Speaker 1: have heard about it, especially if you wasn't really in
Speaker 1: the industry and super connected, you might have heard about it,
Speaker 1: but you never actually got a chance to see it,
Speaker 1: especially on camera. So that was the first time people
Speaker 1: got a chance to see like somebody face to face
Speaker 1: being competitive, snap into no beat and like to no
Speaker 1: real flow, like just talking to each other. That was
Speaker 1: the first time people really got to see it. So
Speaker 1: that's that paved the way to all of these leagues starting.
Speaker 1: So I felt like I started all of this right
Speaker 1: and I inspired like ninety nine point nine percent of
Speaker 1: the people that do it to do it, if not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. So that's the reason why I feel
Speaker 1: like I deserve the money. I run things, and when
Speaker 1: I come back, I shake it up, and that's why
Speaker 1: that part of the culture respond like they do when
Speaker 1: I'm back because they know the work I put in. Yeah, Yo,
Speaker 1: the night that you battled Freeway, give me the background
Speaker 1: of that night, because was it they weren't hot ninety
Speaker 1: seven that night or something? Yeah, earlier that night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I started it, and then Swiss was like, I got
Speaker 1: it because obviously free from Philly. You're from Philly. So
Speaker 1: that happened at a recording studio. Yeah, So did you
Speaker 1: pull up knowing y'all were going to battle? And did
Speaker 1: he know you guys were going to battle? Nah? I
Speaker 1: was already in the studio and I went to McDonald's
Speaker 1: when I heard them on the radio rapping and talking
Speaker 1: about they want to battle and anybody could get it.
Speaker 1: So they wasn't talking about me, but I felt like
Speaker 1: they was. So when I got back to the studio,
Speaker 1: I told Swiss about it and he like, all right,
Speaker 1: don't madic jay Z coming to the studio tonight anyway.
Speaker 1: So I'm just sitting around and when jay Z got there,
Speaker 1: he introduced them to me, introduced me is like him
Speaker 1: like the next one, and jay Z took offense today
Speaker 1: like what you ain't hit my artist? I got the
Speaker 1: artist niggas in That's how I started gaining competitive hoh,
Speaker 1: start talking. He called them up. We called our people's up.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, the studio was crowded and we battled.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that was a legendary moment. Man, I'd heard
Speaker 1: that you guys were supposed to run it back. It
Speaker 1: just didn't it getting worked out. Yeah, it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be with the U r L with Smack. We
Speaker 1: were supposed to do another one, but I don't know
Speaker 1: business wise and ain't paying out. Didn't line up. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah, that was a I feel like that
Speaker 1: because correct me if I'm wrong, but that came out.
Speaker 1: Did that video come out like right away or was
Speaker 1: it like later on that we actually saw the video. Nah,
Speaker 1: it took some time at first. At first it was
Speaker 1: it was on audio, like a DJ got a copy
Speaker 1: of the tape and put it on audio, so a
Speaker 1: lot of people only they just had it on Napster.
Speaker 1: Would you like download battles off Napster? And I think
Speaker 1: it was even before that time because it was on
Speaker 1: VHS tape. So the DJ put it on you know,
Speaker 1: CD on mixtape, and that's how people started to hear
Speaker 1: it around, you know, around the world. They was hearing
Speaker 1: the audio but didn't see the visual, and it was
Speaker 1: floating around in the industry. Certain key people got a
Speaker 1: chance to see the visual, but the Internet wasn't out.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like some word of mouth
Speaker 1: shit like yo, I saw this tape. Dah that shit
Speaker 1: don't exist, Like no, I saw it, Yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: it was no YouTube, no Internet for people to really
Speaker 1: get access to it. So it was just like big
Speaker 1: on the streets and building up for a long period
Speaker 1: of time. And then when YouTube and the Internet dropped
Speaker 1: and everything, then they re uploaded it and people started
Speaker 1: getting to see it all around the world. Yeah, no, legendary, man.
Speaker 1: So you take me back to obviously the full surface
Speaker 1: era was crazy. Uh you had three great bodies of work,
Speaker 1: hit records, all of that. What was it like running
Speaker 1: around in Arizona with DMX and Swiss Beats in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands brouh, Yeah it was. It was dope, man.
Speaker 1: It was fun. Man. For people who don't know. Swiss
Speaker 1: Beats had kind of like planted his feet pretty heavy
Speaker 1: out in as he was a part owner of like
Speaker 1: a car dealership, a nightclub that's at the same time
Speaker 1: MX is out there, and it was a lot of
Speaker 1: energy out there. And I'm from Azy, so I got
Speaker 1: to ask because I know you were out there a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of energy. I liked it. I
Speaker 1: mean I was from Philly, man, so you know you
Speaker 1: have a you've been to Philly. You see. I just
Speaker 1: told Nests I've literally just rode a train through Philly
Speaker 1: from DC to New York and and I was telling
Speaker 1: him how we stopped in Chester at like one of
Speaker 1: the stops, and I looked outside and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck where are we at? Bro? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: if you ever go to Philly. I mean it's some
Speaker 1: nice parts, but the majority of the parts is like
Speaker 1: a big difference from Arizona. So when I got over
Speaker 1: there and I've seen how people living, how nice it is,
Speaker 1: and I mean how dope it was. And plus I'm
Speaker 1: out there working on my music, so I got a
Speaker 1: different type of reception. So I was loving it, man
Speaker 1: Swiss at the club I was performing there, it was live.
Speaker 1: Was turned. What was like being around DMX during that
Speaker 1: era of X, because that was like he was like
Speaker 1: in the desert with them ATVs. Heavy Man. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: actually went back to Arizona too, like for my third
Speaker 1: album when I after I fought the case and I
Speaker 1: came home, I started working on a new project. I
Speaker 1: went to Arizona to do that before the accident, and
Speaker 1: that was like the last time I was like really
Speaker 1: around X. Went to his crib, brought Doctor Benjamin to
Speaker 1: his house. Now doctor Benjamin was in the Belly movie
Speaker 1: with him preaching to him and all of that. So
Speaker 1: then I'll bring him to X house and we vibing out,
Speaker 1: chilling and it was dope. Man. X was in a
Speaker 1: positive zone. I was liking how he was, I mean
Speaker 1: carrying it at that time. And one of the memorable
Speaker 1: moments is when he showed me this giant scorpion we
Speaker 1: was riding past. He was on the foe wheeler, he
Speaker 1: was in the car. He was leading us back out
Speaker 1: to the road to leave, and then he turned around.
Speaker 1: He said, yo, y'all want to see a scorpion and
Speaker 1: we like yeah, and he took a rock and he
Speaker 1: threw it down and then like made the scorpion tail
Speaker 1: come off and he picked it up like this, and
Speaker 1: then poison was dripping in me like look, look, and
Speaker 1: that's I heard. His crip was like like in care free,
Speaker 1: like deep, like yeah, and that's how I remember them,
Speaker 1: Like he was just like he ain't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about and he was just wild but good dude. So
Speaker 1: that's the last memory I meant remember with X and Arizona, Yes,
Speaker 1: busting a scorpion stinger off and yeah yeah, with Doctor
Speaker 1: Ben him and Belly and the whole vibe it was.
Speaker 1: It was it was super dope. Yeah. Man, it's crazy
Speaker 1: because you've you've been a part of some historical movements
Speaker 1: in hip hop man, so it's hope to kind of
Speaker 1: see you get this this battle run in you that's
Speaker 1: like you're like one of the IT battlers now and
Speaker 1: you're kind of like helping carry the scene now. So
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it's just it's just good
Speaker 1: to see man. For you, How are you adjusting because
Speaker 1: you've been through so many eras of this music ship,
Speaker 1: Like how do you adjust with the new way with
Speaker 1: the world in which TikTok is a big part of
Speaker 1: what breaks and you know there's not a you have
Speaker 1: more of a direct line of communication with your fans now,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like you feel like
Speaker 1: you're adjusting to the new era this shit like pretty well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't got to adjust. I'm living through it.
Speaker 1: I mean so, and I'm not stuck in my ways,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not stuck in the old waves or the
Speaker 1: old form of down business. Like I move where however
Speaker 1: things are going. And I got a team. I got sons,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, sons. A son that's nineteen,
Speaker 1: a son that's fourteen, Like they like super into technology
Speaker 1: and the new waves of what's going on. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they put me on. I got a team myself that
Speaker 1: I do music with that's all different ages, Like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean in all different places in their
Speaker 1: life that be putting me on. So that's how I'm
Speaker 1: able to stay on top of things. And I make
Speaker 1: sure I just stay on top of being dope and
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Speaker 1: technology for you. Give me your top five punchline rappers. Ever,
Speaker 1: let's exclude you because you're in that. I got you
Speaker 1: a top two. I told you. But but who who's
Speaker 1: who's in the five? Who got the best punch lines
Speaker 1: of hip hop history? Man? Outside of yourself laughing? That's
Speaker 1: Big L of this, Big Daddy Kane and g rap
Speaker 1: Yo Big Daddy Kane. He said that ship on a
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Speaker 1: Not even on some punchline shit, just on some rapper
Speaker 1: shit like who are you listening to? That is from
Speaker 1: I guess the current era? If anybody I listen to
Speaker 1: all type of shit, man, I listen to everything money
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Speaker 1: a bunch of his past fire like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I like his voices, style and the shit
Speaker 1: to be talking about. But I like even records like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'd be with my wife
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Speaker 1: then it could be something like shahbu Yai road called
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Speaker 1: I like all of the new artists for different reasons,
Speaker 1: and just because they might not be lyrical or just
Speaker 1: because they might not be this or that, they might
Speaker 1: do other things that I think is dope. And I like,
Speaker 1: you know, things going to three sixties. So I could
Speaker 1: see a lot of artists that came before them in
Speaker 1: a new version of the old artists that they are.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited at and I'm glad this shit growing
Speaker 1: is the number one form of music in the world.
Speaker 1: Now everybody know what it is. They know it's not
Speaker 1: a fad. It's going to be here forever. And a
Speaker 1: lot of new artists find in different ways to be successful.
Speaker 1: And the same thing that we call rap or hip hop,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You don't got to be
Speaker 1: one direction and you don't gut to just have bars
Speaker 1: or B street or be killer. It's like you could
Speaker 1: be or even have information like you got even rappers
Speaker 1: that's not too smart, that's uninformed of figuring out a
Speaker 1: way to get a fan base. So it's dope, yo.
Speaker 1: I always say that it's for me. It's easy. I
Speaker 1: separate the art from the artists at all times. And
Speaker 1: one of the best R. Kelly features ever is obviously Hotel,
Speaker 1: which is on your first album. But that was your
Speaker 1: first single, right, yes, sir? What was that process? Because
Speaker 1: I always heard that R. Kelly's like process as an
Speaker 1: artist was like he was like a savant, like Rainman
Speaker 1: type shit. You know what I'm saying, Like, what was
Speaker 1: it like? Did you guys do that in studio together? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So you got that was like you were in a
Speaker 1: session with Kels as he's cutting that. What was that
Speaker 1: studio session? Like? It was my first time meeting him,
Speaker 1: and I think it was my first time to Chicago too,
Speaker 1: So you guys went to Chicago. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: Swizzerland was telling me, you know, different stuff or how
Speaker 1: it might be. But when we went in there, I'm
Speaker 1: a super fan of R Kelly me too, like my
Speaker 1: older brother that raised me, Like you know, we used
Speaker 1: to ride around in the hood banging that like banging
Speaker 1: R Kelly song loud, like I was a super fan.
Speaker 1: So to know that I'm working on my first album,
Speaker 1: finally got budgets opened and it's like big yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm working on my first single with R Kelly and
Speaker 1: Swiss Beats produced it, and I'm It's like so I
Speaker 1: was excited. I was super happy on I got in
Speaker 1: the studio and even Twister came through. I remember Twister
Speaker 1: came through the studio and me and Twister like start rapping.
Speaker 1: I think Twist to spit some bars. I spit some
Speaker 1: bars and we basically me and Swiss just was there.
Speaker 1: Swiss started explaining the record, like how was the Swiss's
Speaker 1: idea to do the hotel concept or was it R
Speaker 1: Kelly's idea? Yeah, it was Swiss idea. It was like
Speaker 1: a collaboration. It was we we already had the idea
Speaker 1: that we wanted to do this hotel record when we
Speaker 1: went to go see R Kelly. So it was already
Speaker 1: like an idea we had. We already had the beat,
Speaker 1: and we already like had the direction a little bit,
Speaker 1: but once you told R. Kelly like the idea, he
Speaker 1: just went crazy in his own direction and started singing
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. He went in the booth and
Speaker 1: went crazy and started doing a lot of things that
Speaker 1: we could have used for a hook. So he was
Speaker 1: just cut melodies off the top of his head type ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just chose that little piece that you know as
Speaker 1: the Hotel chorus now. But he did a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of different parts and a lot of different
Speaker 1: other versions of hooks, Like we did the remix too,
Speaker 1: off the same session, So it's just parts of the
Speaker 1: parts that I told you he did that he didn't
Speaker 1: use just for the remix. But there's so many ladies
Speaker 1: like he just went in different bags. He he creative man,
Speaker 1: the nigga talented. I forgot to tell you too before
Speaker 1: he went in a booth. On the Hotel beat, it
Speaker 1: was like a beat tape playing of like thirty beats,
Speaker 1: just playing back to back. And he wouldn't say skip
Speaker 1: none of them. He wouldn't be like I don't like
Speaker 1: him or nothing like that. It's like no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I don't think they were just someone else's be just
Speaker 1: to BCD's playing. Yeah, it wasn't Swiss. I don't know who, right,
Speaker 1: but it was just a tape playing and every beat
Speaker 1: that come on. As soon as the beat drop, he
Speaker 1: was singing a dope record to it. Shit sounded like
Speaker 1: a smash hit everyone. It's like right off the top hill,
Speaker 1: he'll hear it. While the intro on. As soon as
Speaker 1: the beat drop, he starts singing some fire shit like
Speaker 1: and he did that ship to every beat like he
Speaker 1: kept doing it. So I'm like, yo, this nigga is
Speaker 1: not regularly like yeah, he different. I think back to
Speaker 1: one of my favorite records that was more like an
Speaker 1: album cut. You had a record called six Minutes that
Speaker 1: was it was you Wayne and Joel's right or was
Speaker 1: it that right? I wish I got to go back
Speaker 1: on the last question. Sorry, I wish I got a
Speaker 1: chance to like bust it up with anymore, like really key, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what type of duty is? Because we never really got
Speaker 1: a chance to what was the video shoot? Like, no,
Speaker 1: it was the first time I met him, and then
Speaker 1: the second time I met him was the video shoot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I never got a chance to meet him after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really didn't like bullshit or kick like like kind of
Speaker 1: he did. It feel like he was kind of helped,
Speaker 1: like helping swizz out, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: more like that. Yeah, I mean it was my first project.
Speaker 1: I ain't have no records out, so I really had
Speaker 1: nothing for him to really right, you know, be connected
Speaker 1: to me. It's just I was connected to something big,
Speaker 1: which was full Surface Swiss and then Jay Records Clive Davis,
Speaker 1: I had to you know what I mean. You one
Speaker 1: of the first. It was like you Andlicia Keys. Who
Speaker 1: else was on Jay wasn't Baby bas J Records, Mario
Speaker 1: was on J Records. Yeah, I feel like you were
Speaker 1: one of the first people. Don't like I feel like
Speaker 1: it was. I feel like it was you or Alicia
Speaker 1: Keys where I first saw J Records pop up. Yeah
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was one of them, you know,
Speaker 1: first artist especially rap us. Yeah. Man, Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: had it. I feel like I was super excited because
Speaker 1: I had heard your mixtape shit or I heard you
Speaker 1: on some mixed because I used to sell mixtapes at
Speaker 1: the Swap Me That's how I got my name. And
Speaker 1: I was like fifteen sixteen, so like I remember just
Speaker 1: like there was I think it was some funk Flex
Speaker 1: shit you did. There was like a random funk Flex
Speaker 1: mixtape and he wasn't doing a lot of mixtapes, but
Speaker 1: but you were. You had a Verse on a mixtape
Speaker 1: that Flex was on or something, and I just you have, man.
Speaker 1: I remember just hearing like two or three and me
Speaker 1: and my best friend ramses like, Yo, this guy. Now
Speaker 1: that's what we could wait for that first album. Man,
Speaker 1: it was crazy too. Yeah, I was super prepared. I
Speaker 1: was like battling in Philly for years on his radio
Speaker 1: show called The Cipher. So by the time I got signed,
Speaker 1: you were already ready. And then it took years for
Speaker 1: me to actually go from getting signed because I got
Speaker 1: signed the Rough Riders first when I was seventeen, and
Speaker 1: I ain't really come out with like my first project
Speaker 1: till I was twenty one, So it was like four years.
Speaker 1: It's almost like wrap, like like colge camp college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you graduated exactly. Was there ever any other
Speaker 1: big battles that you were a part of that never
Speaker 1: got filmed or that you know back from that era
Speaker 1: where you're like, man, if that would have been on YouTube,
Speaker 1: it would have went crazy. Yeah, thousands of them, thousands
Speaker 1: who else did you go up against it? You think
Speaker 1: you know? I mean, obviously in hindsight, it would have
Speaker 1: been nice if you recorded them, But yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: them battles that I did was like over twenty years ago, right,
Speaker 1: so I don't be liking to bring them up. It
Speaker 1: was a long time time. Yeah, I forgot about a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes that they don't hold no weight, and
Speaker 1: then the ones that did that, I might remember some
Speaker 1: of them is still like active trying to do stuff,
Speaker 1: or might have moved on and don't win to bring
Speaker 1: that up. So I don't really want to. I read
Speaker 1: to somebody else do it BYO sa yo. I was
Speaker 1: there and I seen cash killers person or but it
Speaker 1: is tapes around and there's a bunch of people that
Speaker 1: was there, so I read there just go like that
Speaker 1: I was. I brought up that six minutes record you
Speaker 1: had with Wayne. You that record came out right around
Speaker 1: the time when I feel like Wayne was like making
Speaker 1: that transition from being the dude we knew from like
Speaker 1: the Hot Boys and like lights out Wayne to being
Speaker 1: like Carter one, Carter two Wayne, where he really kind
Speaker 1: of was like finally getting rid because for a long
Speaker 1: time I feel like people didn't give a lot of
Speaker 1: the cash money guys, respect us rappers. And then I
Speaker 1: think Carter one changed that whole trajectory for Wayne. What
Speaker 1: was that record like, because that's a record where everyone's
Speaker 1: just kind of going in. What year was that was that?
Speaker 1: Oh six oh six minutes when that came? Because that
Speaker 1: was on your second album? Yeah, so five yeah, oh
Speaker 1: five oh six, So yeah, that's like legit, like right
Speaker 1: after Carter one. So what was that like? Was did
Speaker 1: you guys get in for that? Was that like a
Speaker 1: very competitive session? Yeah? Me came through. I was in
Speaker 1: New York and Wayne came through. I was in the
Speaker 1: studio with Fab a lot back then, so you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Fab came through the studio. Also an
Speaker 1: amazing punchline rapper, some of the greatest lines ever. For sure.
Speaker 1: We really locked in. We wasn't really like sending records
Speaker 1: or nothing like that, Like they came through the studio.
Speaker 1: We really locked in and made it happen. And I
Speaker 1: was I was the one that put that record together,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like a label thing or something like that,
Speaker 1: like because you were tapped in with what was going
Speaker 1: on with Wayne. Yeah, and I knew Wayne was rapping
Speaker 1: at the time, and I knew that Fab was rapping
Speaker 1: at the time. So if all of us came in
Speaker 1: went crazy like that, no hook, and don't gotta even
Speaker 1: be about no hook trying to make a hit record.
Speaker 1: I know we could do that, that's easy, but just
Speaker 1: talking about spitting and I knew that to make make
Speaker 1: a mark. So that's why I want to put that
Speaker 1: record together. Is that a competitive session? Like who's like?
Speaker 1: Like I can only imagine, because you know, nowadays people
Speaker 1: send records out. You hear a verse, you put your
Speaker 1: verse on it, you send it back. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: all three of y'all in there. Just yeah. I think
Speaker 1: ever since I came out, I just changed the trajectory
Speaker 1: of how shit was going. Like, I made it more competitive.
Speaker 1: It made you had to be more lyrical, made you
Speaker 1: have to have more punchlines and lyrics and piece up
Speaker 1: more syllables just to sound like you were spitting, right,
Speaker 1: because before you ain't have nothing else to compare it to.
Speaker 1: But when you could listen to me doing it like this,
Speaker 1: if you're supposed to be lyrical, you gotta be doing
Speaker 1: it to a certain level. So around that time, I
Speaker 1: came out, you started to see a lot of people
Speaker 1: change more punchlines, piecing up more syllables, changing they flow,
Speaker 1: not trying to be exactly like me, but knowing that
Speaker 1: you had to go in that direction to be successful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, I mean you town. You guys also kicked
Speaker 1: I feel like there was that way after I'm a
Speaker 1: Hustler where everybody wanted that same type of hookah and
Speaker 1: then bring them out came out because I'm a Hustler
Speaker 1: was first, but you kicked off like a whole second
Speaker 1: wave of like everyone hitting Swiss. For like the jay
Speaker 1: Z sample like hook Yeah, I'm all. I feel like
Speaker 1: it inspired a lot like even the fifty record I
Speaker 1: Get Money, I Get Money. Like it's like the same drums,
Speaker 1: the same bounce, the same beat, the same concept. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of records like that. It might not
Speaker 1: have been a Hove sample, but there were Like I
Speaker 1: feel like that record kicked off like a little mini
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Speaker 1: get back to the interview. What is your writing process
Speaker 1: like man, Because you are such a prolific writer, you
Speaker 1: come up with these concepts, You come up with these
Speaker 1: bars that are so fucking crazy. So for you, is
Speaker 1: this off the top? Are you cutting melodies for us?
Speaker 1: Are you in your phone writing? Like? What is your
Speaker 1: writing process like when you're cutting records. I've been writing
Speaker 1: in for so long and I make so many records
Speaker 1: all above, Like I could do it all. I got
Speaker 1: Wow Ammo on my phone, my computer, in my book bag,
Speaker 1: I got like five wrap books. Sometimes I never wrote that,
Speaker 1: just kept it in my head and went and laid it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people do witnessed me do it all different type of ways.
Speaker 1: And because I'm so active and try to stay on
Speaker 1: top of it, I'll be figuring that that's the best
Speaker 1: way to do it, not just one way. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: when I get the time, I like to write. That's
Speaker 1: the best way. I feel like seeing actually what you
Speaker 1: think about and writing it down is the best process
Speaker 1: to me. But I wish a lot of these kids
Speaker 1: would write more and not punching, because I feel like
Speaker 1: when you write, I feel like there's something about that
Speaker 1: process where you like the punching enthit is cool, but
Speaker 1: I feel like it's on the fly, so you're really
Speaker 1: not putting too much thought into each each line. Like
Speaker 1: if it comes out cool, it comes out cool, But
Speaker 1: I feel like what motherfucker's right? Like who was on
Speaker 1: our show recently? They said they stopped punching and they
Speaker 1: started writing somebody Like once I started writing, like my
Speaker 1: shit just got better, got sharper because every line, really
Speaker 1: I got to write it down, Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like this whole generation they just be punching in. Man,
Speaker 1: you've been through so many of a couple of words.
Speaker 1: Say it. You know, They'll be like, what's something cool
Speaker 1: I could say here? And then they go to the
Speaker 1: next line. You know, I mean, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: this whole well you specifically, man, your career, your life.
Speaker 1: You've been through so many peaks and valleys that we've
Speaker 1: got to witness as fans. What has inspired you to
Speaker 1: just keep going? Man? Because you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: you've been through a lot and a lot of the
Speaker 1: shit you've been through that we've got to see you
Speaker 1: go through might break somebody or might you know, throw
Speaker 1: a real fork in their career. And it feels like
Speaker 1: you're in your bag right now. It feels like you're
Speaker 1: really on top of your ship. I think the reason
Speaker 1: why I started doing this started wanting the rat when
Speaker 1: I was super young, before I have responsibilities or was
Speaker 1: looking at it like a business. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: be the best, right, So that's why I fell in
Speaker 1: love with it for bars, for lyrics and wanting to
Speaker 1: be the best. And I still got that passion to
Speaker 1: this day. So a lot of people be in it
Speaker 1: for business reasons. So when they find out how shisty
Speaker 1: this industry is, how fucked up the business is, then
Speaker 1: it's like, how can you keep motivation? If you was
Speaker 1: in it for business and you find out how fucked
Speaker 1: up the business is, what's gonna keep you? Gonna keep you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's gonna keep you in it? If you got in
Speaker 1: it for the like look like the other rappers aware
Speaker 1: the jury and you find out that a lot of
Speaker 1: them fucked up, a lot of the jury fake or
Speaker 1: even the ones that's real, the jewelers getting over on niggas,
Speaker 1: and you start finding out all the behind the scenes details.
Speaker 1: Everything don't make you had to drive like when you
Speaker 1: were a kid and uninformed. But the reason why I
Speaker 1: wanted to do it is still violid, Like I want
Speaker 1: to be the best. I like to impress people with
Speaker 1: what I think about, Like how I'm able to just
Speaker 1: come up with thoughts, write it down or say it
Speaker 1: and impress people. That's what I wanted to be the
Speaker 1: best at. So that's what motivate me to keep going.
Speaker 1: And no matter what I do, like no matter how
Speaker 1: much money I get, no matter what position I'm in
Speaker 1: or how my life go, I'm gonna still have the
Speaker 1: passion to do that. Like with this my career, and
Speaker 1: I do it for a business or it's just like
Speaker 1: a hobby something I do for fun, I'm still always
Speaker 1: do it because it's rooted in passion. That's like, that's
Speaker 1: like Kevin Durant always says, Man, I just want to
Speaker 1: hoop like I'd be. I would be hooping if I
Speaker 1: wasn't getting paid. Like it's my love. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying for sure? Music wise, what do you got
Speaker 1: on the way? Are you? Are you? Because I know
Speaker 1: you're you're you got the battleshit going crazy? You just
Speaker 1: had it? Did you just battle or you were at
Speaker 1: the battle this weekend? Did you have a battle this weekend? No,
Speaker 1: I just was hosting. I'm hosting a lot of these events.
Speaker 1: I'm hosting the RBE event, a smack event. Just hosted
Speaker 1: this event create for you that they put together. So
Speaker 1: I'm just the podcast. I'm doing media and hosting to
Speaker 1: get more attention on Battle Rap, to make it better
Speaker 1: for the Battle rappers and for myself when I do. Finally,
Speaker 1: I'm back in battle, but I ain't set up the
Speaker 1: actual battle the name yet to tell you, but I'm
Speaker 1: in negotiations with a lot of people, so hopefully I
Speaker 1: have like at least two battles this year, hopefully fire.
Speaker 1: But what about are you like on the music tip?
Speaker 1: Are you working on anything? Oh? Yeah, my new project.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the best project of my life.
Speaker 1: Like this's new music. I got this new wave I'm on.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm happy with it and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to drop it. I'm just independent and doing everything from
Speaker 1: the muscle and because I feel so good about this project,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be perfect, so I got some
Speaker 1: little finish and touches I got to put on it
Speaker 1: before I release it. But it's coming. They sat and
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I got the single already done. We're gonna
Speaker 1: shoot the record off my new project today with Fred
Speaker 1: money out here. Shout out to Fred money Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's but I'm about to shoot another single real soon
Speaker 1: and then when we go back to Atlanta. But I
Speaker 1: think me living out Atlanta and being in that new
Speaker 1: environment is what got me like still spitting bars and lyrical,
Speaker 1: but the bounces and the flows and the bag I'm in,
Speaker 1: it's just like different than you expect the hair from me,
Speaker 1: especially a dude that's been in it as long as me.
Speaker 1: So I can't wait. What's your relationship with Swiss? Like
Speaker 1: these days? Still the same man that's my brother? Were
Speaker 1: not connected to hang out like we used to, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But still communicate, still text, still work,
Speaker 1: You still give me advice and we still like family.
Speaker 1: Got a lot more connections other than me and Swiss,
Speaker 1: like me and his pop, me and his uncles, Me
Speaker 1: and a bunch of people that's connected with Swiss, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's so many years that
Speaker 1: I've been tied up that I can't really separate myself.
Speaker 1: No my tripping. Was there a point in time you
Speaker 1: were rolling with Carmelo Anthony? Yeah, after I was, I
Speaker 1: was with Swiss Beats and J Records, right, I got
Speaker 1: when Jay Records fell apart? Was the last ailme was
Speaker 1: bars on J Right? Yeah, yeah, but when like Jay
Speaker 1: Records broke down and Sony took over and started doing
Speaker 1: all that stuff, I was out my major deal, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Because it was no more J Records, right,
Speaker 1: So that's when I felt the time to be free.
Speaker 1: I could go in the independent direction, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But so if I was going to go
Speaker 1: in the independent direction, I wanted to still do it big,
Speaker 1: but I needed investors. So I felt like basketball niggas
Speaker 1: was getting wild money, some of them be wasting it
Speaker 1: and throwing it away. It's not like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: blow a lot of money. I just need a certain amount,
Speaker 1: like if I was with a label to make this
Speaker 1: project make sense. So I started thinking, like, Yo, I
Speaker 1: know basketball players. I know. People told Melo to play,
Speaker 1: rolled it out in paperwork, presented it to him and
Speaker 1: his legal team, and that's how we did the deal.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't signed to Melo like people thought, like
Speaker 1: in a traditional way. It was more like him like
Speaker 1: a record label, like he was my CEO and I
Speaker 1: was signed. He was an investor exactly. Yess what it was.
Speaker 1: Oh that's dope. Shout out to Mellow. It was so
Speaker 1: many rappers who had Mari Stademarer had a label? When
Speaker 1: who else Mello KD had a label? KT's working on
Speaker 1: an album with thirty eight Special and Ransom right now.
Speaker 1: It's crazy when you see guys like like, I think
Speaker 1: all these sports dudes does get into the bagshab labels? Man?
Speaker 1: Why not know, make these artists, you know, be able
Speaker 1: to get loans or invest like, you know, get the
Speaker 1: opportunity to get the loans. They need to be successful
Speaker 1: from different places other than what's available now. When you
Speaker 1: see guys like thirty eight Special, Ransom who have also
Speaker 1: had fifteen years plus in the game and they've been
Speaker 1: able to kind of have a renaissance of their career
Speaker 1: where they're connecting and building these like hardcore fan bases,
Speaker 1: Like there's that ship when you see shiit like like
Speaker 1: do you pay attention to those guys and like kind
Speaker 1: of because they're I feel like those guys in their
Speaker 1: business model something that even like the Griselda business model
Speaker 1: is something that like, you know a lot of artists
Speaker 1: can kind of take note and take advantage of because
Speaker 1: you have some hardcore fans and you got fans who
Speaker 1: would put the money up if you If I just
Speaker 1: was with them in the house last night. Thirty is special,
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I got a chance the meeting, we
Speaker 1: was in the house together. He had a show and
Speaker 1: then our air last night. Y'all gotta get a record in, man,
Speaker 1: for sure, that'd be crazy. Who's on the new project
Speaker 1: that's almost done? That project's not finished yet, right yeah?
Speaker 1: And almost the features not then? Ok, like the main
Speaker 1: major features I'm gonna get at the end. You know,
Speaker 1: that's when you got to shake and move that make
Speaker 1: it make sense. So I don't want to shout them
Speaker 1: all out, but I got records with Eating that's already
Speaker 1: to Lisally the Block, Captain from Philly, Low Flip Dragon,
Speaker 1: Jagged from South Central out here, Jack's hard Money. Wait,
Speaker 1: you've been working with Jack for a long time? Yeah
Speaker 1: for sure. I feel like I heard of Jack, like
Speaker 1: I No, I did hear Jack through you? Yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I told him that too. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you're the same Jack who used to throw with Cassidy.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, man, yeah go gang Man Mayhem music
Speaker 1: lost in the family. He been down forever. So I
Speaker 1: got a record with him and Jag on the project.
Speaker 1: This kid named Poison Ivy singing the chorus. It's like
Speaker 1: a single big record fire fire all right. Well, look,
Speaker 1: hopefully get a couple of battles in before the end
Speaker 1: of the year. Would you ever consider launching your own
Speaker 1: battle league? Nah? Like it was a I came out
Speaker 1: here to host the battle I told you about. Daylight
Speaker 1: was battling this MMA fighter named King Boo. But they
Speaker 1: put together a pretty nice card and a bunch of
Speaker 1: the Battle Rappers ain't even show up. So the main
Speaker 1: battus that people really wanted to see on the pay
Speaker 1: per view couldn't even go down because the battle rapper
Speaker 1: ain't show up. But they already got advances. They already
Speaker 1: the book flights. You don't want to deal with all
Speaker 1: the hotels. It's like, man, and I can't take it
Speaker 1: like how some of these league owners do and my
Speaker 1: blog about it or be like going back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's like, Man, if I spend my money and I
Speaker 1: make something happen, niggas gotta definitely be there. It's going
Speaker 1: to be like issues. I'm just not cut for doing that.
Speaker 1: I'd rather play with other people money. Like I'm out here,
Speaker 1: I'm giving back to the culture. I'm the energy, like
Speaker 1: The biggest thing that happened with this event so far
Speaker 1: was the face offs I did. But I want to
Speaker 1: give my energy back but not feel no type of way.
Speaker 1: When I hear about artists not coming out because it's
Speaker 1: not my event. I didn't invest, it's like it's fucked
Speaker 1: up for the culture. But I don't feel as bad
Speaker 1: because I'm not losing right right right, You're like, hey, yo,
Speaker 1: I got my I'm good. Yeah, I'm still getting paid.
Speaker 1: And even when these other leagues book me, it's a
Speaker 1: big event for the Undercar Battle list that's coming under me.
Speaker 1: They get a opportunity, but it's not my money. So
Speaker 1: however it go is how it go. I just know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I would have to get a different type of bag myself,
Speaker 1: or different type of investors or something like that to
Speaker 1: be able to pull something like that off. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't invest my own money into starting to lead. Yeah. Well, listen, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you pulling up your legend. Bro, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me. We're gonna have your freestyle too, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a separate YouTube video for that. New music soon.
Speaker 1: New music asap asap, go follow them online. Man Cassidy,
Speaker 1: appreciate your brother, Thanks for having me