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Speaker 2: We have David Brown. And David Brown served in the

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Speaker 2: United States Navy Seals and he has a book out

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Speaker 2: called and Goliath. Now, let me read you a little

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Speaker 2: bit about David W. Brown, who began his federal government

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Speaker 2: career at seventeen by enlisting in the United States Navy.

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Speaker 2: He trained at the Naval Training Center in Great Lakes, Illinois,

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Speaker 2: Class one one five in Coronado, California. After Army Airborne

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Speaker 2: training at Fort Bragg, Georgia, he served with UDT twenty

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Speaker 2: a significant career transition. In nineteen eighty seven, David moved

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Speaker 2: with NCIS. His federal law enforcement work took him to

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Speaker 2: South Carolina, Hawaii, Washington, d C. Later, he joined the

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Speaker 2: David's thirty four year government career culminated with the Department

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Speaker 2: for Communication. David earned a bachelor's of Science and Criminal

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Speaker 2: Development Program. Welcome to the show, David.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks man. I am really happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: And we're really happy to have you here. And so

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Speaker 2: you have just a whole lot of a lot of

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Speaker 2: things to talk about, you know, from enlisting at seventeen. Right,

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Speaker 2: so you joined into the navy. You're just a young man.

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Speaker 2: You're seventeen years old. What when I joined I was

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Speaker 3: No, I'm probably one of the more oddball people to

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Speaker 3: and I'll set the stage. I wrestled ninety eight pounds

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Speaker 3: actually preparing to wrestle ninety eight pounds in high school.

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Speaker 3: And I say I want to be a UDT Seal.

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Speaker 2: He's like, what do you doing. You're ninety eight pound kid.

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Speaker 3: So he says, go find something in the book that

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Speaker 3: But that is not my personality. And you know the

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Speaker 3: book and Goliath is, and that's what the story is

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Speaker 3: This was nineteen seventy nine when I signed the.

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Speaker 2: definitely still ode green uniforms, still Vietnam surplus equipment and

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Speaker 2: probably all the branches because that's what they had. So

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Speaker 2: when you enlisted, did you go in with Odie greens

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, your instructors in the Navy, all the way

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Speaker 3: So the rating I picked was Operations Specialist, which is

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Speaker 2: That was me freaking guide, the freaking guide.

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Speaker 3: It's usually the smallest guy and I was the smallest guy,

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Speaker 3: so I was the guide on. So I, uh, but anyway,

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Speaker 2: How tall are you?

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Speaker 3: Five to three?

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Speaker 2: Five three? Yeah, dude, that's yeah, yeah, you're pack of

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Speaker 2: dynamite bros. Ninety eight pound wrestler at seventeen in the

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Speaker 2: five foot three range, right, and dude, yeah, So did

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Speaker 2: you wrestle the guys that were Was there people your

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Speaker 3: They You know, the people I was wrestling were all

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Speaker 3: So I had the advantages. I was older, but I

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Speaker 2: Just strong and strong, just a core strong dude who

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Speaker 3: Huh you know that those you know, I had some

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Speaker 2: No, that's awesome. A goliathbook dot com. You can pre

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Speaker 3: I became the protector. And I didn't know why. Again

432
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: that the research in the book. I found David Grossman's

433
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: book and I'm like, man, this is spot on. This

434
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: is why guys like me joined the military, and especially

435
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 3: the guys in special Forces. They want to be the protectors.

436
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: So you know, I'll tell you you mentioned Jacques Cousteau,

437
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: and that was a very popular thing in my house

438
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: with my dad. He had a whole book series from

439
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 2: Growing Up with Jacques Cousteau illustrated and he, you know,

440
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: scuba dived and was a young man, joined the Navy

441
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: at seventeen, went to Vietnam morse code operator on a frigate,

442
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: and then he wound up going into the SF after Vietnam.

443
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: Became a Green Beret through that tenure, and he just

444
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: was always able to, you know, be the coach, be

445
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: the dad, be the neighbor guy in church, helping shovel

446
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: neighbor snow, you know, pushing somebody's car out of the

447
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: snow from down the street. You just don't know who

448
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: is living next door to you and what they're going through.

449
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: His commander sold freezers to the local grocery store, and

450
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: you would never know that. He was like a major

451
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: Green Beret just trying to get freezers inside the local

452
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: grocery store to keep your food cold. Like that was

453
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: his day job. Right. These guys and gals live among us,

454
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: and they just come from all different walks of life,

455
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: but they're all from that same cloth, you know, that

456
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: same I can do attitude. They told you pick something else,

457
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: He's like, I've never seen anybody pass. You're like, bro,

458
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: they'd let me be the first. Let me introduce myself. Hello,

459
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: my name is David. That's what's you know.

460
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: Going into the Navy, it was unwinning. I had no

461
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: idea that I was going to go through buds and be,

462
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 3: if not the smallest at least well right now, as

463
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: far as I know, I'm the smallest, the littlest seal.

464
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: And it wasn't something that I was going to pin

465
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 3: on my chest as a title. It just happened to be. Afterwards,

466
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, how come nobody else is this small?

467
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: Uh yeah?

468
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 3: And uh you know what the thing about the teams

469
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: is nobody really ah yeah, Okay, maybe I got teased

470
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: a little bit and I got beat up a little

471
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: bit more than one guy used to Oh man, he

472
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: was you're a wrestler, brown. Well, I was also the

473
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: smallest guy in a platoon, so he was constantly jumping

474
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: on me, uh and picking on me. But anyway that

475
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's my story of my life, and

476
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: it's it's not something I'm I shy away from. But uh,

477
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: being the size that I am, I didn't usually find

478
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: it as a big disadvantage. I always thought, you know,

479
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 3: I could run faster, hiding places other people couldn't climb,

480
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: I can do all these other things. But when they

481
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 3: put the twins seventy two's on my back, I could

482
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: tell you, but I felt like I was it had disadvantage.

483
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit about what twins

484
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: seventy two's are? Oh?

485
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 3: Sure, there are scuba tanks. They're seventy two steel scuba

486
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: tanks that are the tanks you start off with in

487
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: second phase of buds, and you know, they are the

488
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: tanks that you learn how to scuba dive with. I

489
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: was lucky. I was a certified scuba diver when I

490
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: went into the Navy, and so I was really familiar

491
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: with being underwater and comfortable being underwater. But what I

492
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: wasn't comfortable with was carrying sixty pounds of scuba tank

493
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: on my back when I was one hundred and ten pounds,

494
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: you know that, and then doing push ups with them

495
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: and doing.

496
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: And fins and flippers, right, you have to have your

497
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: swim fins right, And I mean like there's all sorts

498
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: of gear that you got to have, not just the

499
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: tak and weight built yep, yep. So your weight to down.

500
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: So how much are you weighing with all of this

501
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: equipment on you?

502
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 3: How much am I carrying? Or how much do I weigh?

503
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: Total? Like what? Yeah? Like the total? Yeah, if you're

504
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: one fifteen, if you're won ten, one fifteen, what's that

505
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: all compounding onto your skeletons on your struck?

506
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 3: Well, you know you can add sixty pounds to your

507
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: one to my one ten one. I wasn't. I don't

508
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 3: think I was one fifteen and second phase, but uh,

509
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: you know you're like one one, one six, one seventy

510
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: one eighty. I'm about one eighty five carrying, you know,

511
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 3: on my frame and yeah, and you know what, I

512
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: don't want to say I got used to it because

513
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: I never did. But I had to do it. You know,

514
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: I had to do put pull ups with the tanks

515
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: on my back. I had to I had to do

516
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: the push ups with the tanks on my back. I

517
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: had to. I had to do what everybody else did.

518
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: There's a story in the book, and it's fact that

519
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: as the chapters, he's no different than you are. We

520
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: were we were coming back from our final night dive

521
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: compass course in the in the bay midnight and we

522
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: usually got a ride in a cattle car too and

523
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: from the the training area. But we were gonna we're

524
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: gonna earn our next uh the close with scuba ridge

525
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: as they would say. And the way we're going to

526
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: earn it is we were going to run from the

527
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 3: beach back to the training area with our twin seventy

528
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: two's on. Well. I wasn't really happy about that, but

529
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: there was an option. So we started running back and

530
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's a shuffle, it's not like a

531
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: full ass run. And we get to the obstacle course

532
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: and the instructor goes, okay, here's a horizontal ladder sixteen runs.

533
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: Everybody go across now, brother, I'm telling you that was

534
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 3: one of the pivotal moments in my career up to

535
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: that point. Can't can I make it across a sixteen room?

536
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: Ladder with twin seventy two's on my back, and I

537
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: made it because you know what, I didn't have a

538
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: choice and I did it.

539
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: So there, those instructors were just so proud of you.

540
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: And you know, I came off the ladder, fell on

541
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: my knees, and a couple of guys came over basically

542
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: to try to help me out, and instructor yelled at him,

543
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: don't touch him. He's no different than you get up brown,

544
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 3: getting get in formation. Let's go. So I didn't get

545
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: treated any different, and that was important. These are lessons

546
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: that I learned early in life. I believe it or not.

547
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: I tried to play football, high school football.

548
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: So I believe it.

549
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: That's all.

550
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: I believe it.

551
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: That ended. There was another story, but that the story

552
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: of football was a pivotal point in my life. Believe

553
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: it or not. It doesn't wouldn't for most people. It

554
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't be. But I was a hundred, I was eighty

555
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: pounds and I tried out for high school football. Well

556
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: you know what high school football players look like. There

557
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: ain't at They ain't eighty pounds. There one hundred and

558
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: fifty to two hundred and more. Yes, I'll get my

559
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: ass kicked day after day, and my parents wouldn't take

560
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: me to practice. I had to ride my bike fourteen

561
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: miles to fourteen miles back.

562
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

563
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: Three weeks into or four weeks in the practice I get.

564
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: I was just beat up. It was in Uh, this

565
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: is the first time and the only time in my

566
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: entire life, I quit. I quit practice, I walk away

567
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: from the football team and it it was so devastating

568
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: for me, the feeling that I got. Y'all, you've heard

569
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: of delpamine and serotonin and all those chemicals in your

570
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: brain that make you do good, make you want to

571
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 3: do things. Well, there's also chemicals in your brain that

572
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: make you not want to do things. And after that experience,

573
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: I swore to myself I would never quit again. And

574
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: quit has not been in my vocabulary. Fail has not

575
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: been in my vocabulary ever since. And it sounds and

576
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: you said, you know why at seventeen, how'd you know

577
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: what you were doing? Ninth grade? I had decided in

578
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: my life I would never quit again. I would never

579
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: fail itself.

580
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: That's what's up. Well, I love it, and I love it.

581
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: You're motivational, Yeah, okay, and that was before you you

582
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: were in the five foot two room, five foot three room.

583
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now. I have a really good

584
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: friend and he worked for me for many years here

585
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: at my airsoft shop. And then he said, rad I'm

586
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: joining the Marines. Can't stop you from stepping off on

587
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: the ladder. I can only be a part of your

588
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: pedestal that you stepped on to get there. Okay. And

589
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: I'm always supporting my guys. He tried to join the Army.

590
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: They wouldn't let him join because they said he was

591
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: color blind. But he was five foot two, so they're

592
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: just kind of giving him some flak. So then they say,

593
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: so he went to the Marines. The Marines were like,

594
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: we'll take you. So he joins the Marine Corps five

595
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: foot two. And he sends me a picture of him

596
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: going getting ready to ruck and his rucksack was huge

597
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: above his head and it's on him and he's just

598
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: looking sideways at me. And I have this picture. He's

599
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: got his pt bell all wrapped around his ruck, you know,

600
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: and he's ready to get ready to ruck. And I

601
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: couldn't have been more proud to him. And we had

602
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: done things like he had fit in my backpack. Okay,

603
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: I have a three day assault pack that we sell.

604
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: He's like, let me get in it and take a

605
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: picture of it, you know, and all this kind of

606
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: stuff we've done, all sorts of fun things. You know,

607
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm the big guy. He's my little friend. And now

608
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: today that kid, he is no longer a kid. He's

609
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: a man. He's climbed his way all the way through,

610
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: just like you. He's in law enforcement. He's high up

611
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: in law enforcement. I would not mess with him. And

612
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: I said, so, do you think your law enforcement agency

613
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: is like the Rangers of the Utah? And he's like,

614
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: we're like the Marines of Utah, you know, you know,

615
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: five foot two. Just he should also like, I just

616
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: think you guys should meet and just like say, what's up, bro,

617
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: because we're the same and you're Goliath and Goliath. I

618
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: feel I'm the same as you because we all have

619
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: a Goliath and whatever that goliath is, the world is Goliath,

620
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: right like life is Goliath. It's like, you know the

621
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: story of David and Goliath is, you know, he took

622
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: a slingshot and slung it into Goliath right in the

623
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: center of us head and killed the dude, took him out,

624
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: and no one could think anyone could take Eliath out

625
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: and here you are. You know, the book and Goliath.

626
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: It just really I know, I know Rad talks and babbles,

627
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: but it's true. It just really hits me hard. Man.

628
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I like Angelias, you know.

629
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: And David. In the story, it was told, don't do it,

630
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: don't go, you can't do it. You know. It wasn't

631
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: just beating the giant. He was the underdog, the ultimate underdog.

632
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: And I think everybody can relate to that. When they're

633
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: going and they're facing the things that they're unfamiliar with,

634
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: they are everyone's afraid and fear. Everybody's afraid. You know,

635
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: you can talk to any SF guy if he tells

636
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: you he was not afraid the first time he jumped

637
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: out of that plane for the first time he squeezed

638
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: that blasting cap, you know he's lying. Because we all

639
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: have fear. It's a matter of channeling that into a

640
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: productive way. And for me, fear became a motivator is too,

641
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: and I became an adrenaline junkie a little bit. So yeah,

642
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't just anymore looking to jump out of airplanes

643
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: and scuba dive and blow things up. I wanted to

644
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: do more. I wanted to do more, and I wanted

645
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: to do more, and then where does that end? And

646
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 3: and when you're when you're my age. When I retired

647
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: at fifty two, and I thought, oh, I'm going to relax,

648
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: and dude, there was no there's no relaxing.

649
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: What are you doing now? What's what's keeping your dopamine

650
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 2: and your adrenaline? You know, what is it that you're

651
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: just what's filling you up on the daily basis?

652
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: Well, I still do a lot of I still work out.

653
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: I cycle. I'm you know, trying to hit one hundred

654
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: miles on my bike here pretty soon. So I still

655
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: have that. But I really had to I had to

656
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: understand myself a lot better. And that was my biggest,

657
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: if you will, my biggest goliath, because I was so

658
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 3: intense all the time. My family suffered, my job suffered,

659
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: and I had to learn to temper my crazy. When

660
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: I came to found out it was actually a term

661
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: for pathological persistence. And Robert Hill was a psychiatrist psychologist,

662
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: coined the term. And you know, we can talk about

663
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: the story if you want, but okay, he there was

664
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: a there was a Polish gentleman who after he retired,

665
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: he decided he was going to paddle across the Atlantic

666
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 3: in a kayak and his name was Doba, and mister

667
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 3: Doba paddled across the Atlantic Ocean, but that wasn't enough

668
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: for him. He paddled across the Atlantic Ocean three times,

669
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: but that wasn't enough for Doba. Doba went on to

670
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: the next thing, which was climbing Kill Him and Jarrow.

671
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: At the top of kill Him and Jarl, he's eighty

672
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: years old, he had a heart attack and he died,

673
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: and with Hill purports that why he couldn't. Doba said

674
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: a few things about his paddling and about his persistence

675
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: to do the things that he did, and he said,

676
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: this wasn't an option for me. Failure never came into

677
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: my mind. These were things that I was destined to do.

678
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: And then once he finished his kayaking, he went on

679
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 3: to the next thing. Climbed the highest mountain he could find.

680
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: And for Doba it was inevitable. He was going to

681
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: do these things. And it wasn't about kayaking, and it

682
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: wasn't about climbing the mountain. It was about his persistence

683
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 3: to keep pushing and pushing. You know, somewhere in pathological

684
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: persistence is the negative, which is OCD where you can't

685
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: you have to keep doing things in a uncontrolled manner.

686
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: And so when I examined myself, if you will, I

687
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: had to identify, Okay, I have these great qualities. We

688
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: talked about DNA and that the wonderful traits that your

689
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: ancestors gave you. Well, there's no such thing as a

690
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: good or a bad gene. It's a matter of how

691
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: you shape your personality to use the positive part of

692
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: your personality. And if you have what I call myself

693
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: a pathological persistent person, you need to identify to temper

694
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: those things, and you channeled them in positive ways. And

695
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: so since I've been retired, I've done a lot of things.

696
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: I've acted, gone to I've been the lead in a

697
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: number of plays. I did a musical love that. Yeah,

698
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: I can you imagine there's something completely out of my

699
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: comfort zone. But these were things that I knew I

700
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: could channel my persistence in a positive way. I volunteer,

701
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: I work at the theater. I love that I am

702
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: considered the sheriff of the area that I live in,

703
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 3: even though I'm officially not community. Actually this first public

704
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 3: stacy in my area, and I.

705
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: People are like, we're fine, Dave's here, It's okay.

706
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: Got you know, I convinced the you know, our local

707
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: council is to do the right things for pedestrians so

708
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: we don't get any killed. Yeah, and so anyway, and

709
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: you know, I wrote this book, which wash was quite

710
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: a challenge, and uh and uh. The good thing is

711
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: I was afraid, dude. I was afraid when I was

712
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 3: done with this book, I was afraid no one was

713
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: going to read it, and I was afraid no one

714
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: was going to like it. And you know what, all

715
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: every reviewer got back has been super positive. I had

716
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 3: one guy told me he actually cried reading it.

717
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know, it's it's it's it's gonna be.

718
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: It's just you got to get the book, right. I

719
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: was going to say that, right, we're gonna and once

720
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: soft rep and once it comes out, maybe we can

721
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: get in our book club and work with that in

722
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: there and it could be available in the book club

723
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: and just you know, we can get it out on

724
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: softwarep and just share this book and just share the

725
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: passion you have for life and you know, living it

726
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: to its fullest and like you said, it's not about

727
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: the kayak, Okay, it's not about it. It's about the

728
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: persistence of something's driving you to do it or die trying.

729
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: And Doba did exactly that and just was like, you know,

730
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: it's like my friend who made ajax, so my best

731
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: one of my best friend's business partner. He always says like, well,

732
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: how come you're not doing it. I'm not a welder,

733
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: but I did it. He's like, he welded a tank together.

734
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: We do war games here in Utah, and we really

735
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: just wanted to, like you know, arms race it up.

736
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, tanks are expensive. If you look

737
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: for a tank, you know, tiger tank, any of these

738
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: real tanks that are available, they're expensive. And he's like, well,

739
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: how about I take this into the garage and come

740
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: back out with it and turn it into a tank.

741
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: And it was in a Zuzu Rodeo. And so we

742
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: got this a Zuzu Rodeo, great looking tires on it,

743
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: and he up armored it for like a year inside

744
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: of his iron man cave, if you will, where he

745
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: comes out with this check this out. Rad I'm all

746
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 2: what And I'm like, whoa dude, we had a tank

747
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, how'd you do it? He's like,

748
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not a welder. I just did it.

749
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: He just welded. He just did it. He was persistent.

750
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: He just was like, I can do this. And he

751
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: took a welder and maybe a YouTube video and just

752
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 2: went to work with his brain on what he envisioned

753
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: and he made it happen, just like you do and

754
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: just like Dova does. And so there is these traits

755
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: and successful people who just pursuing the fact that you're

756
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: in theater. There's nothing more scary than stepping outside of

757
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: yourself on stage and thinking everybody's looking at me. I'm

758
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: an actor. Wait, I have to do dialogue and then

759
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: have it come naturally and organically so that they don't

760
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: realize that your fault. You acting is not easy. And

761
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: that's even more of a here I am, go ahead

762
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 2: and critique me. You know, Roger and Eber they would

763
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: critique you in a movie. Bro, You're putting yourself on

764
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: the screen. You know you expect to be critiqued, right

765
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: or was going to talk about everything about you? But

766
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: what are they going to remember? Oh? Wow? No, he

767
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: went there. He cried emotionally, like, I just think that

768
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: that's great that you're in the theater and acting. You know,

769
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: I dabble in that, so I love that. It's true.

770
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: It's not something that I was familiar with at all.

771
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: Never had an idea that I was going to do

772
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: it until I went to a play. My wife, who

773
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: is when we first met, you know, I was this

774
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: very conservative, straightforward, law enforcement guy, tough guy. You know,

775
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: I didn't need art, I didn't need plays. I didn't

776
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: need any and she was very familiar with She was

777
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: a work at an art museum, she worked for a

778
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: public broadcasting and she took basically I figuratively took in,

779
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: really took my hand and said, look, I'm going to

780
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: show you how to be a little bit more cultured

781
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: than just a guy who's going to strap a refrigerator

782
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: on his back and run through the wall. Right. So,

783
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: and with all that, you know, she took me to

784
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 3: the theater and it was amazing. It was just I said,

785
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: I want to do that.

786
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: That that looks like so much fun, because it is, right,

787
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: it is so much fun. Right, let's let's talk about that. Right.

788
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: It is fun, It's it's unbelievable. And it's so liberating

789
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: to be able to delve into a character that is

790
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: so different than yourself and to convince people that you

791
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 3: are that person and uh and have the audience go

792
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: crazy at the end of the at the end of play,

793
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: and you just know you did a good job. It's

794
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: it's very rewarding.

795
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: It is. And and the team camaraderie within the cast,

796
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, and from everybody that's pulling the lights to

797
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 2: moving all the stands and everything. It's all just another

798
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: team effort right fast changes.

799
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I was living in Texas at the time,

800
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: and my wife became the president of the theater and

801
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: we were I did everything from cleaning the toilets to

802
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 3: making the props to you know, special effects, to being

803
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 3: in the play. So you know, I knew all the

804
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: aspects of the theater part. And we were a family

805
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: the cast, and there was you know, a regular, regular

806
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: crew that would come in and and do the acting.

807
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: And we pulled in, we pulled in great talent from

808
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 3: all over Texas in this little theater in Texas. It

809
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: was amazing.

810
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: I love that. Is there a shout out for the

811
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: theater in Texas.

812
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: And Annesota Theater, Annisoda Theater Alliance and right outside of

813
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: College Station and about sixty miles from Houston. We used

814
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: to have buses come in and fill the theater. It

815
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: was really small theater, and they loved it. They just

816
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: loved as they call the first two rows of seats

817
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: for the spit zone, because that's how close you weren't

818
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: to the actors who were making it happen, and you

819
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: were getting there, you were getting the full experience.

820
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: Have you done any television or audition do for movies yourself?

821
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: I have not, and it's something that I thought about.

822
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: To be honest, the book has taken up most of

823
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: my time when it comes to that, but it's certainly

824
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: something that's on the table for me. I can tell

825
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: you that I'd love to do something a little more

826
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: than I've done with the acting part. And it's another

827
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: one of those adrenaline the rush, at least for me,

828
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: every time I go right before you go on stage.

829
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 3: To me, it's the butterflies, like I was jumping out

830
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: at fourteen thousand feet or ten thousand on my first

831
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: free fall. You know, every single time I get that

832
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: wonderful feeling and you just once you get it, You've

833
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: got to have it. It's like a drug.

834
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed, you know, getting on set and just working

835
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: and having it all happening, and then when it's over,

836
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: you're like, I need to keep doing that. And that's

837
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: the trick. Keep getting and landing auditions. Let me tell you.

838
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, that's the trick. Right there. You

839
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: think I got one part, everyone's gonna want me in

840
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: all the other parts. But it should be like that.

841
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: You get one part, you're in. Okay, come on, make

842
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: it easy. But you know I love it. Yeah, I've

843
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: done a little film and television, so I get that

844
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: in some stage, you know, big voice, big voice.

845
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: Yep, you should try to sing some time. That don't

846
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: really change your perspective.

847
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: You know. I actually went there's a theater here in

848
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: Salt Lake called Haile Center Theater, and it's really they

849
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: do like the Christmas Dickens, Dickens, you know, the Dickens

850
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: all that different stuff. And I auditioned and you had

851
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: to sing a couple of bars from a song. So

852
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: the first time I went in, the director's like, tell

853
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: me you're in a band. That's the first thing he

854
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: says to you, And I was just like, oh, well,

855
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: I'm not in a band. He's like, what are you

856
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 2: going to sing for us? And I just flawed and

857
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: I sang Annie okay, because I had practiced it and

858
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: practiced it and practiced it and practiced it, and I

859
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: went in. I didn't have really a song. I'd never

860
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: auditioned for Broadway before, and so I was just stepping

861
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: into it. I wanted to show my daughters who were

862
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: interested in Broadway, that you can do it, and so

863
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: I learned how to audition, went and auditioned for Broadway,

864
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: sat in there with my number, went up, got called up.

865
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: I was wearing my kilt. I sang Annie, the son

866
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: will come out tomorrow, and he's like, well, I just

867
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: want to let you know that you should really sing

868
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: a more you know, male song for a male that singing.

869
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, doesn't Daddy Warbucks sing the song?

870
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: And he went quiet and he's like he does huh.

871
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just giving you that. And then

872
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: the next time I auditioned for him, I had actually

873
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: learned a song that was my tone. I went to

874
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: a vocal coach, I learned how to see. She gave

875
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: me the song to learn. And then I went in

876
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: and the pianist was looking at me. He's like, you

877
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: want to do this song? He just looked at me

878
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: like that, and I was like, he's like okay, and

879
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: he's like beautifully intros into the song and we start

880
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: singing it and it was only supposed to be sixteen bars.

881
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: And then he looks at me and I look at him.

882
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: He's like, let's go, and and we just went through

883
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: the whole next sixteen bars. They were so happy to

884
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: see that I had gone from singing Annie to something

885
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: that was more my style for them, and he's like,

886
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what part it is that

887
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: you're right for, but you're right for a part and

888
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: when I figure that out, it's you. And I was like,

889
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 2: all right, hey, thanks. And that was the Broadway guy

890
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: that was, you know, auditioning. So you just got to

891
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: put yourself out there.

892
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: Right right, And like he said, you know, you have

893
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 3: to fill a role. You just can't go into any role.

894
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: And I was. I played Bob Cratchett and Scrooge the musical.

895
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to play like the Ghosts of Christmas Present.

896
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I got a beard, I got the hair.

897
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: Come on I could see yeah, come on, I could

898
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: be big and boisterous. No, that's exactly what I was

899
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: going out home. Man, see I love that. Yeah, Bob cratchit.

900
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: Huh that's a good role.

901
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some really good songs. I got to do

902
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: a couple of solos, and you know, learned how to

903
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 3: hit the high notes. Anybody can sing, but you got

904
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: to be able to hit those notes.

905
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: If you don't, yeah that it's not gonna happen. Yeah, exactly.

906
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to show them, you know, and uh,

907
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: that you can. You can try to put yourself into

908
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: any situation and go at it, you know. So I

909
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: showed my kids, Hey, I know I've done film and television,

910
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: but let me go audition for this Broadway And my

911
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: kids like, what Dad, you going? Because that Hamilton was popular.

912
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: It was so Hamilton. It's like really getting my daughter

913
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: and it's Phantom of the Opera. You know, Wow, we

914
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: really just turn this, uh, this session into like Navy

915
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: seal goes to opera, you know, theater.

916
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: But that's you know, I look at some of my

917
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: teammates and they're there are literally everything from being in

918
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: federal penitentiary to you know, doctors and warriors and pillars

919
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: of the community. And so I think the personality traits

920
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 3: that we possess allow us to do what we're talking about,

921
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: you know, allow to do such diversity and not just

922
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: do it, but do it well. And I have you know,

923
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: it's a I would never been able to say this.

924
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: I love my brothers and I reach out to them

925
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: all the time and without exception everyone, even if I've

926
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: never met them before. If I ask the team guy

927
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: to do something and he's able to, he will do it.

928
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: And that's the community that we're in. And I no

929
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: one can understand that unless you're in that type of

930
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: a brotherhood as we have. The long Live the brotherhood

931
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: is our expression and so but there's a deep love

932
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: for every single one of them, even the ones I

933
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 3: don't know.

934
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: I hope that someone's listening to us and sees you

935
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 2: and says they could be inspired and they've gone down

936
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: the same paths you have. Maybe an old friend of

937
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: yours is gonna be like what David Brown's on this podcast.

938
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: Me listen to this, let me listen to this, let

939
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: me hear what he has to say about us. He

940
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 2: just says he loves us. You know. Wow, Okay, so

941
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: he loves us. Yeah, you know he's he loves you

942
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: and you know we all do. So if you're down

943
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: on yourself right now, just get right up, get back up,

944
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: just go try something I like to say. You know,

945
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: if you happen to have gotten out of the military

946
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: and you have access to the VA, you can always

947
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: talk to your Veterans' advocate for like recreational therapy, like

948
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: around here at Soft Rep. Brandon Webb, who, like you know,

949
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: the head honcho over here, Brandon's he's all about thrills

950
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: before pills, you know where it's all about. Like get

951
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: out and go skiing, or get out and go swimming,

952
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: or get out and just do something that the nature

953
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: is around you and surrounding you. Just you know, even

954
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: if it's going and finding a safe spot in a garden,

955
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: meditating to yourself with nature buzzing around you like a bee.

956
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: Don't swat up the bee. Let him just fly around you,

957
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: let him just check you out, right, don't be afraid

958
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: of the bee. Things like that. I'm just a big

959
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: proponent of putting yourself out there and just you know,

960
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: living life to the best. Get some vitamin D from

961
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: the sun.

962
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: You know. I Brandon is a perfect example. I never

963
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: met him. I contacted him when I was in the

964
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: process of writing my book and he was in Europe

965
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: somewhere I can't remember exactly where. And the guy sends

966
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: me an email like, hey, Dave, how's it going. You know,

967
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: what can I do to help? And that's the kind

968
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: of thing I'm talking about. You know, never met the guy,

969
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: and he's just like right there to help me, and

970
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: I'm there to help him in any way I can.

971
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 3: You know, the book, you go back to the book

972
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: just for a second.

973
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: I couldn't not have done it.

974
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: I couldn't have done it without the reaching out to

975
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: all my brothers and talk about the stories and get

976
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: them as accurate as we could remember and possible, and

977
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: reliving that with them, and it's just wonderful.

978
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: You know.

979
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 3: My my former officer in charge in the fourth Platoon

980
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: I went to Central and South America is Bill McRaven

981
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 3: And oh.

982
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Admal yeah mcbrae. Yeah, the man's the legend.

983
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the man the legend. So I reached out to Yeah,

984
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: we used to call mister mac you know. I reached

985
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: out to mister mcman I would just love if you

986
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: could just kind of just give me a couple of

987
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: words about my book. Well we had been contact before that,

988
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: but you know what, you want to talk about a

989
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: busy guy. He's he's got more on the schedule than

990
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 3: the Biden does you know, Well, he doesn't have much

991
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: on the schedule. But anyway, that's another.

992
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: Story, a whole other hour too.

993
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, I sent him my book

994
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 3: and he gave me this great quote. You know, and

995
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: Chuck Farr. I don't know if you know Chuck Farr,

996
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: but I went to Bluds with Chuck Farr and one

997
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 3: fourteen and you know, he's he's been written a whole

998
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 3: bunch of books, and he's been in movies and screenplays

999
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: and he's just a wonderful guy. I'm just these are

1000
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 3: the kind of guys that that you would think, well, no,

1001
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: they're too big to talk to figuratively and totally little

1002
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 3: guys like me. But you reach out to him and

1003
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 3: they're they're there for you. Amazing.

1004
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, And you know, McK raven, mister mack,

1005
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: if I could please or thank you, I want to

1006
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: say that, you know, I after he did his commencement

1007
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: speech years ago to that college, where he talked about

1008
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: like why he makes his bed, you know, and why

1009
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 2: they make your bed during buds and all that. And

1010
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: I've had seals like I don't make my bed. I

1011
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: don't need to make my bed. I've heard that I

1012
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: don't need to make my bed. I'm gonna tell you something.

1013
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: I to this still today. He reminded me of why

1014
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: you make your bed, so when you get home at

1015
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: the end of your day, you don't have to make

1016
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: your bed to get in it. It's just ready for

1017
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: you to like hit the sack dog and I cannot.

1018
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: I'm just really fast forwarding what he said, you know,

1019
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: just like, hey, you make your bed, you make your bed,

1020
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: you make your bed. Why we're gonna go out and

1021
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: kill things, We're gonna go out and blow stuff up.

1022
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: Why do I want to make my bed? Is at

1023
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: the end of your day, after you've done blowing stuff

1024
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: up and getting sand out of the cracks that you

1025
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: didn't know you had, you're gonna want to just rack

1026
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: out in this nicely made bed that you already did

1027
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: for you that morning. I mean, he's just really yeah,

1028
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: he's yeah, man.

1029
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: Well we are really focused on attention to detail, and

1030
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: you know that's an important point to you know, start

1031
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 3: your day with some type of detail and then you

1032
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: accomplished something. There's this attention to detail literally saved my

1033
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: life in but we were in third phase and we

1034
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: were doing night surf passage and we got the first

1035
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 3: Our boat crew was the first call to go. It

1036
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: was so dark, we had no moonlight, we had no

1037
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: cloud cover. It was complete black. We couldn't see the

1038
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: waves and you could just hear him just thunder and crushing,

1039
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: and we're like, and we had three hundred pounds of

1040
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: demo tied into the boat. The IBS Smurf crew gets

1041
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: the first call. We start paddling out and we're just

1042
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: we're getting pumbled. The waves are coming back at us.

1043
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 3: We finally make it out to where it's curling and

1044
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: the it was massive. We it just took the boat

1045
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: and swallowed it, shot the boat straight up in the air.

1046
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: Everybody went flying and everywhere, and we we weren't in

1047
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: our normal k park life jackets where we just bobbed

1048
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: up that we had. We had to activate our our

1049
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: life jackets. Well, we had never done that in all

1050
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 3: the buds you've never activated your UDT Life Vest. But

1051
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: I had cleaned that damn thing for every inspection.

1052
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 4: All their buds with a little tiny tooth pick and

1053
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 4: and you know how, you got to get every single

1054
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: and so it was designed to work if you took

1055
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 4: care of it.

1056
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: I'm underwater, I'm getting pummeled, the waves keep crashing, I'm

1057
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: in full gear, I got all my AMMO pouches on,

1058
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: and I'm just I'm getting my ass kicked. And finally

1059
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: I pulled that UDT Life Fest to save my life

1060
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 3: and it worked. Tension of detail. And that's the only

1061
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: reason I'm sitting here talking to you is because I

1062
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 3: cleaned my life best when I needed.

1063
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: You stayed on top of it. You just stayed on

1064
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: top of it. You're just like clean it out, just

1065
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: making sure. He's like there's something I can do. I

1066
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: don't mind. I'm going to clean my life best. And

1067
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 2: look what happened.

1068
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it literally saved my life. And it's a great

1069
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: story in the book. It's a lot more detail than

1070
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: I went into. But when you talked about Bill mcgraven

1071
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: and his you know, story of making your bed, it's

1072
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: it's the little things that are so big and they

1073
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: make such a difference in life. And you can't get

1074
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: to the big things unless you take care of the

1075
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 3: little things.

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00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: That's right. That's right. And you know what, You're awesome. Okay,

1077
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't even think you're a cop.

1078
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: What do you even talk about the special Agency?

1079
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: I know, I didn't even get into it, brother, because

1080
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: you're so I mean, the human in you is all

1081
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: I'm after, right, and and and just the power of

1082
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: that is just gonna just just win. Yeah, we know

1083
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: you're like a You're like a novel. Here's what you are.

1084
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: You're the character in the novel. I know you have abilities,

1085
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna have to read the novel to see

1086
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: if you ever have to activate your abilities. I know

1087
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: your special Agent. I know you've been in charge. I

1088
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: know you've been to different countries, and you know probably

1089
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: know how to feed an M sixty real well with

1090
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: its belt fed laying there. I bet you know all

1091
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: of that. And I think we can get that in

1092
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: another episode with you back on because I'd love to

1093
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: have you back, and this is an invite to have

1094
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: you back when maybe your book comes out again. So

1095
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: what we'll do is we'll talk about your book, right, now,

1096
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: which is angliathbook dot com, so you can go and

1097
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: check that out. And then once it goes out and

1098
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: it's out there, we'll get it back on. We'll get

1099
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: you back on and just start rapping some more and

1100
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: just get some more stories from you as what you do.

1101
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: Are you cool with that?

1102
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: And that's great. I'd love to talk about special agent stuff.

1103
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: It's it's really exciting. I did some wonderful things. I

1104
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: did some crazy things, and we can talk about snowboarding

1105
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: and wakeboarding because I was a semi love semi professional wakeboarder,

1106
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: Is that right.

1107
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: I've been watching that and I see him like free

1108
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: free waking, like where they're just like letting go of

1109
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: the rope and they're behind the boat, you know, and

1110
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: and they're like doing like burials and different things like that,

1111
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: and like the one dude's like doing kickflips. There's a

1112
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: pro snowboarder who went onto a wakeboard for the first

1113
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: time and he was just like owning it. As soon

1114
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: as he got up on it. He's like, Okay, there's

1115
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: my flow. There's my flow. And then next thing, you know,

1116
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: he's like busting over a like what he thinks he

1117
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: should be doing. I just I love it. Wakeboarding is

1118
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: a great recreational therapy. Holy cow, you know, talk about

1119
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: getting summersed in a lake like you're riding or even

1120
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: trying to get up. You're just getting pulled up by

1121
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: the boat and you get pummeled into the water. You know,

1122
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: you're just getting surrounded by just earth. I'm a big

1123
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: believer in that. There's nothing like that.

1124
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: I like flying, the flying part.

1125
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you hitting? Yeah, I bet you're good. You're

1126
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: the center of gravity. Do you snowboard?

1127
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 3: Yep?

1128
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1129
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: I lived in Sacramento, California for a long time.

1130
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: I was born in Stockton. How about that.

1131
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, up to sea as I could wakeboard in

1132
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: the morning and I could snowboard in the afternoon.

1133
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I live here in Utah, so I ride at

1134
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: Brighton Ski Resort, right outside of Snowboard Ski. I live

1135
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: right outside Snowboard and Brighton and Solitude and Alta Ski Resort.

1136
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't know why I said their name. They don't

1137
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: allow snowboarding, but anyways, Alta Okay, Well, listen, if you're

1138
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: ever in Utah and you want to ride, just hit

1139
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: me up.

1140
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:44,479
Speaker 3: Sounds good.

1141
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm serious, Like, we'll just go up to the mountain

1142
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 2: and I was just tell him Brandon. I was like, dude,

1143
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: because he posted a picture of his garage. He's like,

1144
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: my things like on Instagram, right, it has his car.

1145
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: I see his skis, and all I'm focused on is, Bro,

1146
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: we need to go shred your skis. He's like, yes, Rad,

1147
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: we do, and so that'd be a good group right here.

1148
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1149
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: I don't go upside down anymore.

1150
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 3: I'm a little old because I break a lot easier now.

1151
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, true, true, true.

1152
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 3: But I still love the ShredIt on a snowboard.

1153
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: We'll go through the trees. We call it star Wars.

1154
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm good, Yeah, yeah, all right, they're legit. Well listen,

1155
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: let's let's let's let's wrap this up. I've had you

1156
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: for an hour. You've been a beautiful person to be

1157
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: on the show, you know, David Brown. And Goliath is

1158
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: the name of the book. It's and goliathbook dot com.

1159
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: Big thanks to Brandon for getting us all together through email,

1160
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: saying Yo, Rad, let's get this knocked out. And I

1161
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: just want to say thanks again for your selfless service

1162
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: to our country in all aspects that you have served

1163
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: and raised your hand on many occasions to swear an oath.

1164
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 2: Thank you for maintaining that that's the kind of guy

1165
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: we need there. So thanks again for doing all those things.

1166
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me on. And it's

1167
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 3: been a lot of fun talking and I'm glad I

1168
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: finally got to meet you and see you what rad

1169
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 3: really looks like. You're cool man.

1170
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: Hey, brol this is me maybe, And on that I'm

1171
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: gonna say on behalf of David and my South, myself

1172
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: and Brandon Webb and Anton, my producer and guy, I'm

1173
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: gonna say peace.

1174
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: You've been listening to Self Red Radio.

1175
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: H