Speaker 1: My next guest is the first overall pick in the
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen NFL Draft. After playing with the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: last season, he is now an unrestricted free agent. What's
Speaker 1: his next move? I'm about to find out. Please welcome
Speaker 1: to the show to one and only Jamis Winston.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: How you doing? Brow? What's good? Brother?
Speaker 3: The goat?
Speaker 2: My brother?
Speaker 1: What the hell is this that I'm seeing you? Sitting
Speaker 1: there working for Fox Sports Digital at media day in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl interview in Saint Kwon Parkley?
Speaker 2: Who what was that?
Speaker 1: What was going on there?
Speaker 2: Well? Man, I'm a Fox Sports correspondent.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: You know that's exploring different avenues that this profession offers,
Speaker 3: So I'm taking advantage of it.
Speaker 1: What kind of questions were you coming up with to
Speaker 1: ask Sa Kwon bark Well?
Speaker 2: One of my most popular questions was what his favorite
Speaker 2: color was?
Speaker 3: But it's all it's it's the delivery, as you know
Speaker 3: what everything, It's not what you're bringing, it's how you
Speaker 3: deliver it.
Speaker 2: It's how you deliver it.
Speaker 1: So you thought it was pertinent to ask him about
Speaker 1: his favorite color? What did you think we were gonna get
Speaker 1: out of that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I was thinking I was gonna get his favorite color,
Speaker 2: and that's what I got.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: When you think about yourself being here right now, what
Speaker 1: is this feeling like for you? Because obviously, the Eagles
Speaker 1: are here, the kids, the City Chiefs are here. Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns are not obviously, So what has it been like
Speaker 1: for you to experience this here at Super Bowl Week?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Man, when I first got signed with Cleveland Browns, I
Speaker 3: had a paaradown ship, not really a paradown ship, but
Speaker 3: I started spending time in meditation and prayer, in writing
Speaker 3: that I was going to lead the Cleveland Browns to
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl fifty nine February ninth, twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: in the New Orleans super Dome because I just was
Speaker 3: here in the city, like that's something I've written, wrote
Speaker 3: down every single day. But the Lord works some mysterious ways.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that he was gonna bring me here
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl to be a Fosports correspondent, to
Speaker 3: have all this media energy and have all this media attention.
Speaker 3: So in the essence, like this is kind of a
Speaker 3: media super Bowl for me. It's unfortunate because I want
Speaker 3: to be in the real thing. I want to be
Speaker 3: in a real show, Like I don't like the facade
Speaker 3: of everything I want to be playing in the game.
Speaker 3: But I'm very happy for these two brothers that's in
Speaker 3: the game, and I'm looking forward to continue to work
Speaker 3: with thoughts and put on the show.
Speaker 1: How have you felt about your career and how it
Speaker 1: has gone. You come into the league in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: You start off your career, I think first five years
Speaker 1: in Tampa, you spent three end of spending three years
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. You've obviously been in Cleveland over the
Speaker 1: last year or two. How would you describe your career
Speaker 1: in your words?
Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm very grateful for my career because it was
Speaker 3: my dream to be an NFL quarterback. I just sometimes
Speaker 3: I look back and say, like, Lord, I should have
Speaker 3: prayed more specific it should have been to be an
Speaker 3: NFL Super Bowl winning quarterback.
Speaker 2: Because my career has not.
Speaker 3: Gone no way, shape, form, fashion the way that I
Speaker 3: wanted to go. But I think that's something that's unique
Speaker 3: about me because I'm always able to see the.
Speaker 2: Good in everything.
Speaker 3: I believe I have been very dominant in terms of
Speaker 3: throwing the football, passing the football. I feel like I
Speaker 3: have been very exciting in terms of giving the fans
Speaker 3: a great experience to see. I do not feel like
Speaker 3: that I've been to the caliber that I can be
Speaker 3: in terms of a team trusted me to be their
Speaker 3: franchise quarterback because I have all the intangibles. I know,
Speaker 3: I prepare myself better than anybody. But now I have
Speaker 3: one thing that I need to eliminate. And now you
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna talk about interceptions, but I'm really going
Speaker 3: to talk about winning, because when you win, they can't
Speaker 3: do nothing to you. You got me, cause I damn
Speaker 3: sure when you're exactly where I was going, I know
Speaker 3: exactly where you're going at. But I think it's winning.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Like I've never lost in my entire life until I
Speaker 3: really got to the NFL, So that has been challenging
Speaker 3: for me, and I went through stages of growth understanding like, man,
Speaker 3: just because we lose it, I'm not gonna compromise with this.
Speaker 3: Earlier on in my career, I got okay with losing
Speaker 3: in Tampa Bay, and that was me not being who
Speaker 3: I truly was, So just me going out of there
Speaker 3: understanding that authentically, like man, my main priorit of is
Speaker 3: I want to win and I'm not going to substitute
Speaker 3: how I feel, or I would say, suffocate my emotions
Speaker 3: and competitiveness of winning for anybody else I brought up.
Speaker 1: I was going to bring up the perceptions You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: because I've never recovered from the thirty that you threw
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. I've always held that one thing against you. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I held it against you because I'm like, he
Speaker 1: can really play. He could throw the damn football. He
Speaker 1: does have the intangels. He's not a scrub. His brother
Speaker 1: can play. We saw what you did at Florida, say,
Speaker 1: we know who you are. Why is it that this
Speaker 1: one impediment continues to play again? Why do you think
Speaker 1: that is because you don't You're smart, you know you sit.
Speaker 4: Up there and look at it.
Speaker 1: Why can't he overcome this one malady? How do you
Speaker 1: answer that question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, some of the best years in my career,
Speaker 3: why I protected the football real will. I've had guys
Speaker 3: that have allowed me to just truly be who I
Speaker 3: am and not found a way to protect me from myself.
Speaker 3: I believe I am an aggressive quarterback. I believe I
Speaker 3: do like to take chances. But I think some of
Speaker 3: the best years I I played was those years what
Speaker 3: I wasn't the reason for us winning. And in times
Speaker 3: when you're the quarterback, obviously you have quarterbacks, they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: he's the one that we're winning because of, and we're
Speaker 3: just winning with him. In times, I want to be
Speaker 3: that quarterback that we win because of. But throughout the
Speaker 3: course of my career, like it's certain opportunities, but the
Speaker 3: team really don't need me. They just don't need me
Speaker 3: to mess it up right, And like me, I want
Speaker 3: every opportunity. I want to take on every opportunity. So
Speaker 3: understanding how to not mess the game up is something
Speaker 3: that I'm still learning and I got to keep getting
Speaker 3: better at that.
Speaker 1: What do you say to somebody that says, thirty one
Speaker 1: years of age, you should know by now, how do
Speaker 1: you respond to that?
Speaker 3: Well, I would tell them, man, like, being an African
Speaker 3: American quarterback from the state of Alabama, I always was
Speaker 3: very past century. Everybody always tried to put me in
Speaker 3: above about being athletic. So I always wanted to show
Speaker 3: people that I can throw the ball and throw it
Speaker 3: with the best of them. So that's the mentality that
Speaker 3: I created over time that I'm still learning how to
Speaker 3: win evaluate my personnel right, making sure that I'm throwing
Speaker 3: to guys that I trust, right, making sure that one
Speaker 3: of the guys that are that I noticed it gonna
Speaker 3: be in a specific place. Me evaluating my defense, knowing
Speaker 3: who I can attack, because I'm not scared of anybody.
Speaker 3: But one thing I'm starting to learn is like you
Speaker 3: can be confident in what you got, but you also
Speaker 3: have to have a certain level of fear, that fear
Speaker 3: of messing the game up for your teammates. So age,
Speaker 3: I know age is a is a big thing, man,
Speaker 3: But I know I can play.
Speaker 4: And I think that's thirty one ain't old in this
Speaker 4: In today's NFL.
Speaker 1: You got you got a decade to go, as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned considering some of the quarterbacks that are
Speaker 1: still playing this game. But I wanted to listening to you.
Speaker 1: I wanted to peel beneath something that you alluded to.
Speaker 1: You talked about being a black quarterback from Alabama, and
Speaker 1: you talked about essentially debunking stereotypes. In other words, you
Speaker 1: know what, they can't really throw the athletic.
Speaker 4: They can run with the football, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Did it ever occur to you that one of your
Speaker 1: biggest problems might be that you're not an asshole, that
Speaker 1: you're one of the nicest guys, smart, you're affable, you're
Speaker 1: pleasant to be around. You're not an asshole, You're not
Speaker 1: one of those truck yelling a cerbic individuals is gonna
Speaker 1: be like hell with you. I don't give a damn
Speaker 1: who likes me it. Did it ever occur to you
Speaker 1: that you might be too nice?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, and that that might be the thing
Speaker 1: that's holding you back because you want to please everybody.
Speaker 4: Could that be it?
Speaker 2: That's definitely it. Man.
Speaker 3: Like, for the beginning part of my career, I was
Speaker 3: in this people pleasing business man.
Speaker 2: Me and my daddy used to go back and forth
Speaker 2: about you.
Speaker 3: Got to prove none of these people, man, you just
Speaker 3: got to show up, win and show out. But when
Speaker 3: I first got into this lead man, the aura that
Speaker 3: was around me was a negative aura.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: So I came into this lead man trying to show
Speaker 3: people who I truly was trying to show people that
Speaker 3: I'm not a bad guy. I'm not who you hear
Speaker 3: about me in the media. And that was outside of
Speaker 3: my element. Because you don't have to show nobody who
Speaker 3: you really are. You just be who you really are.
Speaker 3: But the youthfulness that I had, I thought that I
Speaker 3: had to do that. I thought that I had to
Speaker 3: be in the community all the time, making sure I
Speaker 3: show people like, man, I love my people, I love
Speaker 3: my community, I love my kids. You know, I thought
Speaker 3: I had to be up in my teammates facings talking
Speaker 3: about like a man. He come on, let's God, don't
Speaker 3: worry about that. We're gonna get this, this and that.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, being nice is
Speaker 3: the thing. I do believe that I'm called to be
Speaker 3: the salt of the earth and the light of the world.
Speaker 2: I do. I know my faith has brought me to
Speaker 2: where I'm at now.
Speaker 3: But I thank you exactly right, bro, I am too nice, man,
Speaker 3: I am too I do focus a lot on other
Speaker 3: people's opinions more than my own self sometimes.
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, you and I haven't seen each
Speaker 1: other in a while.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: I know we saw each other in Tampa years ago
Speaker 1: when we came to Tampa. I know we saw each
Speaker 1: other another time.
Speaker 2: I forgot you.
Speaker 1: Was reminded me before we went on the air. But
Speaker 1: that's the only time we've really seen each other. Face
Speaker 1: to face, James, you seem like the same dude.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: You seem like the same nice, lovable, affable dude, the
Speaker 1: same look on your face, same personality, same niceness, the
Speaker 1: kind of things that you're alluding to, it's consistently you.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to be something other than what
Speaker 1: you are. But what I'm saying is, when you're a
Speaker 1: quarterback of a National Football League team, sometimes you gotta
Speaker 1: make cats scared to mess up just as much as
Speaker 1: you scared to mess up, because if you nice, they
Speaker 1: can always defer to you as being the one to
Speaker 1: blade or the one who will forgive them easily.
Speaker 2: For messing out. That's my career, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That makes man.
Speaker 3: One of the biggest things that I uh that was
Speaker 3: opening to me is when I became the African American
Speaker 3: version of Drew Bledsoe. When Tom Brady came in after
Speaker 3: that COVID year and took the Bucks to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: and I would talk to my teammates and they would
Speaker 3: say they would say.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, Tom, he worked so hard, like he brought
Speaker 2: this hard work.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, man, y'all don't remember when I used
Speaker 3: to tell y'all let's go to Skyway and let's run
Speaker 3: these routes, and y'all'll be like, oh man, my legs tired, this, that,
Speaker 3: and the other like, but y'all went out there and
Speaker 3: ran routes for Tom.
Speaker 1: But they didn't do it for you.
Speaker 3: Some of them didn't do it for me, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And like, and that comes from that again,
Speaker 3: that comeplace of like, man, we kind of like, we
Speaker 3: know Tom will getting our butt if we're not out there.
Speaker 3: We know what Tom expects for us. But James, you
Speaker 3: are okay, You'll say okay, I'll go to somebody else.
Speaker 3: You won't sit there and cote on like you ain't
Speaker 3: show up to the throwing session while you ain't do
Speaker 3: it to the throwing session because.
Speaker 2: I'm not like that.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a servant leader and I believe
Speaker 3: I can do it in a different way. But I
Speaker 3: do think it takes that certain level of sternness and
Speaker 3: accountability for my other teammates to require success.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, is it possible that what
Speaker 1: plagued you coming out of college and this innate belief
Speaker 1: that you had to prove yourself to other people back
Speaker 1: in twenty and fifteen when you first entered the NFL.
Speaker 4: It's something you still haven't let go of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's something that I'm consistently working on, because
Speaker 3: you have to address your past before you can move
Speaker 3: forward in the present. But what I am doing, I'm
Speaker 3: focusing on what my feet at now and addressing the things.
Speaker 3: One being accountable of my mistakes, being accountable of how
Speaker 3: I have played in this league. And I think that's
Speaker 3: one thing I think people respect about me because own dosh,
Speaker 3: nothing on duck, no wreck. I just go out there
Speaker 3: and do what I do. But me being who I am, man,
Speaker 3: I'm a person increase. I'm always gonna be lifting my
Speaker 3: teammates up. I'm always gonna be trying to find that
Speaker 3: sea of good in everything. But I do agree with
Speaker 3: you sometimes I can develop I need to, well, I'm
Speaker 3: required to develop some site of sternness when I'm approaching
Speaker 3: these men within a facility, because a lot of people
Speaker 3: can they can.
Speaker 2: Portray this uh this uh.
Speaker 3: I would say this uh this kindness as a softness,
Speaker 3: as a as a like pushoverns and people do ain't
Speaker 3: never tried me like that.
Speaker 1: Or what I'm saying is I'm going to a different route.
Speaker 1: I'm saying because of your character, me meaning you being
Speaker 1: a god fearing, decent human being that wants to forgive people,
Speaker 1: that understands everybody makes mistakes, all of this other stuff
Speaker 1: that comes with it. It's possible. It's not even about
Speaker 1: you being a pushover. It's simply about you being such
Speaker 1: a nice guy that you're not somebody that's going to
Speaker 1: hold them accountable, so they don't have to, they don't
Speaker 1: have the fear of accountability, because that's what it comes
Speaker 1: down to. And now, when you look at your career,
Speaker 1: where do you go from here? Because you're still that
Speaker 1: nice guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I go from focusing more on myself.
Speaker 3: But that's one thing when you if you look at
Speaker 3: my tape and my interceptions, I trust way too many
Speaker 3: people to make plays for me.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I'm confident. I'm comforting them because I know
Speaker 2: the work that we put in.
Speaker 3: But in this game, it's about eliminating negative plays, and
Speaker 3: you just gotta really sometimes you just got to realize
Speaker 3: that they're not putting in the work.
Speaker 4: But you're a student of history too.
Speaker 1: You've heard Joe Montana sit up there and look at
Speaker 1: somebody I remember I interviewed Joe Montana and I was
Speaker 1: talking about how receivers acting when Teo was on San Francisco.
Speaker 1: He wasn't on there at the time, he had retired,
Speaker 1: and I said, if you had too get on you
Speaker 1: the way he got or super receiver, get on you
Speaker 1: the way to got on Jeff Garcia. Joe Montana said,
Speaker 1: I'd have looked at him and said, I guess you
Speaker 1: don't want the ball. You said what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: look at Tom Brady. You're supposed to run this route.
Speaker 4: You don't run.
Speaker 1: You don't run the right route.
Speaker 4: You ain't gonna see the ball.
Speaker 1: Basketball wise, I remember Isaiah Thomas told me he threw
Speaker 1: a pass to John Sally and John Sally missed and
Speaker 1: missed the layup. Isaiah Thomas looked at him and said,
Speaker 1: if you don't dunk that shit, the next time.
Speaker 4: I give you the ball, you won't see it for
Speaker 4: a month.
Speaker 1: And John Sally was petrified because he knew that John
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas was serious that he would not see.
Speaker 4: The ball for a month.
Speaker 1: You still say, you know basketball, They got several games
Speaker 1: with nobody out of forteen to fifty games a month.
Speaker 1: Do you think as you reflect on you that you
Speaker 1: might need to be that kind of guy.
Speaker 3: Well, I have that in me, man, and I tell you,
Speaker 3: and I've relayed those messages some of my teammates before.
Speaker 3: But like I say, I'm a man of increase, and
Speaker 3: I believe I can get it done the way that
Speaker 3: I do it. But it is a certain level of
Speaker 3: accountability that's required from all of us.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I do I do know that I'm in the I'm
Speaker 3: in the season of just being able to tell folks no,
Speaker 3: just being able to look people in their eyes and
Speaker 3: say like, nah, I'm not feeling that right. And that's
Speaker 3: something that I don't do again. Earlier on in my career,
Speaker 3: I was a compromiser, man. I remember I was in
Speaker 3: the We was in the New Orleans airport Man Fenner
Speaker 3: ready to go to Dallas during the the I forget
Speaker 3: WHOI Turry Kane was coming to New Orleans. It's my
Speaker 3: first year with Sean Payne and it was fans in
Speaker 3: the airport because we had to take a commercial flight.
Speaker 2: Uh. And Sean was like, it was some fans.
Speaker 3: That was like James ain't signed this whatever, And Sean
Speaker 3: was like, you don't have to sign that like stop
Speaker 3: trying to kiss babies and stuff.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be a politician.
Speaker 3: Who said Champagne, like, you don't have to be a politician,
Speaker 3: man like you just gotta win games for us and
Speaker 3: play football good and like. That was the first coach
Speaker 3: that was like telling me that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: that was speaking like James, you don't got to be
Speaker 3: this like. You just gotta win games. And that's pro
Speaker 3: why I had some of my best years with him
Speaker 3: because he was that He was that stern, charismatic uh
Speaker 3: leader in the locker room for me, I didn't have
Speaker 3: to I didn't have to do the rob rob speeches.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to come with the energy all the
Speaker 3: time because I had a head coach that was holding
Speaker 3: other people accountable throughout the whole building. I'm not, you know,
Speaker 3: short changing in my head coach. I'm fortunate to get
Speaker 3: coached by any of these head coaches. I had a
Speaker 3: great relationship with Lovey Smith. They got fired on my birthday,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I had a great relationship
Speaker 3: with Dirk Coder, but me and him bang his you know,
Speaker 3: I thought it was a picture perfect matchup when Bruce
Speaker 3: Arians had came yep.
Speaker 2: But I'm a man of belief.
Speaker 3: I'm a man of faith, and when I go in
Speaker 3: any situation, no matter if it's a positive situation or
Speaker 3: negative situation.
Speaker 2: I believe that I will endure, be resilient, and come
Speaker 2: out strong.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the first five years of your career.
Speaker 1: Rookie year, you passed for four thousand and forty two yards.
Speaker 1: Second year four thou ninety yards. Third year, thirty five
Speaker 1: hundred yards.
Speaker 2: You got hurt.
Speaker 1: You got hurt, you played thirteen games. Fourth year you
Speaker 1: only played eleven games. Start at nine. You passed for
Speaker 1: twenty nine hundred yards. That fifth year you played all
Speaker 1: sixteen games through for fivey one hundred and nine yards.
Speaker 4: That was the year that thirty interceptions.
Speaker 1: When you look at what you did at the earlier
Speaker 1: part of your career to where you are now, and
Speaker 1: you think about the NFL teams that are out there.
Speaker 1: You asked, say Kwon Barker the other day, did you
Speaker 1: know if anybody looking for a job, was John's looking
Speaker 1: for a quarterback? You're looking for a job right now.
Speaker 1: Is there an ideal place that you want to be
Speaker 1: or are you of the mindset that there are many
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL that you believe you can help.
Speaker 3: I know I can help every team in the NFL
Speaker 3: because I know I'm one of the best thirty two
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this country, in this world. I just know
Speaker 3: that about myself, and I watch it, I see other
Speaker 3: people play. I just think, I know that I have
Speaker 3: to prove it to folks. Prove it to these coaches,
Speaker 3: Prove it to these owners, Prove to these gms that
Speaker 3: they can trust me with the most important thing that
Speaker 3: the football encompasses is the football.
Speaker 1: But you've been in the game long enough to know
Speaker 1: as a quarterback there's certain systems that work better for
Speaker 1: quarterbacks than others. So what I'm asking is, as you
Speaker 1: look at the NFL landscape right there and you see
Speaker 1: what's lacking in a multitude of areas around the NFL,
Speaker 1: is there specific locations that stand out in your mind
Speaker 1: where you find yourself saying I could do damage there,
Speaker 1: I could do damage there, I could do damage there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you assess the team, right, how
Speaker 3: does the office line look, how does run support look?
Speaker 2: What are the weapons are around? Is? Do I have
Speaker 2: a good defense?
Speaker 3: Do I not have a good defense, and I said
Speaker 3: it from there. But like I said, man, like, I'm
Speaker 3: not in this business of like I need you to
Speaker 3: make this dream come true for me.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm in the business like. Man.
Speaker 3: Look, man, I know what I got to fix. I
Speaker 3: know how I got to fix it. And it's one thing.
Speaker 3: It's been one thing in my career that people can
Speaker 3: look at and say, like, hey, man, this man got
Speaker 3: to fix this. If he can fix this, man, he'll
Speaker 3: be with the rest of us. And that one thing
Speaker 3: is winning. It's not necessarily turnovers. I put so much
Speaker 3: thought energy on these turnals. I can't do this. I
Speaker 3: can't do this. I cannot make negative plays and consistently win.
Speaker 3: So therefore I have to eliminate the negative plays. I
Speaker 3: cannot have pre snop penalties. Leader team that have pre
Speaker 3: snop penalties and be off size all the time and
Speaker 3: consistently win. There are things that teams do like you
Speaker 3: know as well as I do. If you look at
Speaker 3: the playoffs this year, the NFL playoffs, these teams that lost.
Speaker 3: Man as sick and they's sick because they lost the game.
Speaker 3: The other team had no part in them losing that game.
Speaker 3: When people are just just like fumbling snaps in foment
Speaker 3: of offense, when people are just they drop ball and
Speaker 3: nobody's around them, Like, those are things that happen in
Speaker 3: this foot like someone Sometimes some stuff is uncontrollable. But
Speaker 3: when you are in those moments, especially at the quarterback position, man,
Speaker 3: we have to be the best when that time comes,
Speaker 3: and I haven't consistently been the best when that time
Speaker 3: comes in terms of protecting football, but especially winning game.
Speaker 1: Apologize if this question is uncomfortable for you, but it's
Speaker 1: necessary to ask. You have Miles Garrett just ask to
Speaker 1: be traded out of Cleveland. Do you think he's justified
Speaker 1: in that request and do you believe whether it's you,
Speaker 1: it's to Shawn Watson on anybody else, has anything to
Speaker 1: do with him requesting that request.
Speaker 3: Well, first I have to talk to Miles and just
Speaker 3: to get his perspective on actioning for a trade. But
Speaker 3: I see the work that he puts in day in
Speaker 3: and day out, and I know the way.
Speaker 2: His career is now. He will go down.
Speaker 3: It's one of the greatest defensive ends all time, and
Speaker 3: he has done that with the Cleveland Browns. So obviously
Speaker 3: the organization hasn't been detrimental to him. But I understand
Speaker 3: the importance of winning. Man, I'm in the same phase. Like,
Speaker 3: I've had two winning seasons my entire career, one of
Speaker 3: them being well three, one of them being with Drew Brees,
Speaker 3: one of them being at Tampa Bay, and the other
Speaker 3: one I had a win season before I got hurt.
Speaker 3: Like outside of that, Man, out of ten years, only three,
Speaker 3: you know, So I know what it is like when your.
Speaker 2: Team is losing and you are one of the captains.
Speaker 3: You are the focal point of this entire franchise and
Speaker 3: all of that falls on you, and you look at
Speaker 3: it like, man, I'm not no loser, but while we
Speaker 3: why are we losing? But he was like, it has
Speaker 3: to be something else, It has to be something deeper.
Speaker 3: It has to be rooted in the culture, in the
Speaker 3: city or whatever for the reason that we're losing.
Speaker 1: Four fifteen of the league's thirty two starting quarterbacks were black,
Speaker 1: which was the most in a single week in NFL history.
Speaker 1: There are more black NFL quarterbacks in the league now
Speaker 1: than ever before. Your thoughts on how the position has
Speaker 1: evolved since your time arriving in.
Speaker 3: This league, Yeah, I think the position has evolved because
Speaker 3: it has evolved into what we can do best, and
Speaker 3: that s extent, plays with our legs and beat people
Speaker 3: on our own when we have to.
Speaker 2: I think so again.
Speaker 3: Growing up in Alabama, man, you were frowned upun Like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's just an athlete if he runs a sub for six,
Speaker 3: you know, if he scrambles and if I scramble in
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's just an athlete. He can't play quarterback.
Speaker 3: The quarterback position was defined as like someone who can lead,
Speaker 3: lead the team, who's able to get all the troops
Speaker 3: together and they follow him, right, But when it came
Speaker 3: to us, it started that that wasn't the case. Like
Speaker 3: they're not able to lead, you know, they just can
Speaker 3: win with their legs. So I'm so grateful for the
Speaker 3: people like Michael Vick, cam Newton, people in my generation
Speaker 3: that were paving away Donovan McNabb, they were paving away
Speaker 3: for me consistently, Steve McNair. But it's even more because
Speaker 3: if you look at the old Grace, the Doug Williams,
Speaker 3: the Warren Moons, the James Shaq Harris's, these people were
Speaker 3: they were doing it in the pocket right, and they
Speaker 3: try to they try to neglect those people when Warren
Speaker 3: Moon is still the only African American quarterbacks in the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, right, and he had to go to
Speaker 3: Canada first.
Speaker 2: He came into the NFL.
Speaker 3: So we have always been present, But I think now
Speaker 3: with the advancement of these offensive minds who aren't looking
Speaker 3: at guys and judging guys like can they fit in
Speaker 3: my offense? Like what am I gonna be to do?
Speaker 3: When I came in the league, it was it was
Speaker 3: pretty much that it was. It was like, is he
Speaker 3: gonna be able to run my offense to my liking?
Speaker 3: But now you see it with Jayde Daniels. Why has
Speaker 3: he had the most iconic rookie year that we have
Speaker 3: seen is because Cliff Queensberry he comes from that college
Speaker 3: system and he implements this for Jaalen. So for Jayden,
Speaker 3: now it goes from like, oh, you got to learn
Speaker 3: and pray, but you gotta learn all the terminology, you
Speaker 3: got to do all this stuff. No, Jayden, Hey, what
Speaker 3: do you do best? I senior college fan from Arizona,
Speaker 3: A senior college fan from LSU. I see that you
Speaker 3: do these things best? Why don't we go and grab
Speaker 3: that and bring it to do you feel you've.
Speaker 1: Had anybody like that for you in your NFL career.
Speaker 3: I feel like that every time you have offensive coordinator,
Speaker 3: you are called to be collaborative with that coach, and
Speaker 3: I think in my instance, I was always proven to
Speaker 3: my officsive coordinators that I can be a guy that
Speaker 3: they can trust, and I never got to that extra
Speaker 3: mile of being able to collaborate with my offensive coordinators.
Speaker 3: When Byron Leftwich came in and I had Clyde Christian like,
Speaker 3: I was a little bit more collaborative. I feel like
Speaker 3: Derk Cruter is one of the best offensive coordinators that
Speaker 3: I've had in terms of his preparation, in tern of
Speaker 3: his strategy. But I feel like me and him really
Speaker 3: didn't see out of eye, whether it was my personality
Speaker 3: or with his personality, so we didn't really have collaborative things.
Speaker 3: I just executed his offense to the best of my abilities. Now,
Speaker 3: when I got with Sean, he was coming from Drew Brees,
Speaker 3: so he was like, hey, man, you'd have proved me
Speaker 3: one that you can play quarterback at a high level,
Speaker 3: and two you gotta show.
Speaker 2: Me that you're gonna win football games. I did that
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 3: Then I got hurt, and then the rest of history,
Speaker 3: Dennis Allen became my head coach and he ain't ever
Speaker 3: believed me anyway.
Speaker 2: So uh.
Speaker 3: And then when I got to Cleveland, man the same thing,
Speaker 3: Like I go to Cleveland because cam Stefanski just won
Speaker 3: eleven games with five different quarterbacks. And then when Dashawn
Speaker 3: get hurt, he called me off and say, I ain't
Speaker 3: calling the plays no more. I'm about to give it
Speaker 3: to Ken Dorsey. And I was just like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna compete, I'm gonna do whatever.
Speaker 2: But you wish he had kept calling playing man absolutely.
Speaker 3: And I shared this. I shared this with him. I
Speaker 3: was like, coach, like, man, coach, Ken just got here right,
Speaker 3: and we brought him in for Dashaun, Like here's for
Speaker 3: the Shawn. I came here for you, right because I
Speaker 3: saw what you have doing. I wished your offense. I've
Speaker 3: seen quarterbacks be efficient, like I'm talking about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield had some of his best years with Kevin
Speaker 3: Stefanski early on, like he took the Browns to the playoffs,
Speaker 3: Like seeing Joe Flako come in and light it up
Speaker 3: last year. You know, obviously he's a Super Bowl winning quarterback.
Speaker 3: But even like shout out to my thought.
Speaker 2: P J.
Speaker 3: Walker led the team to beat the San Francisco forty
Speaker 3: nine ers last year like this, These are things that
Speaker 3: I know. He's a great head coach. He's the two
Speaker 3: time coach of the Year. And then when stuck hit
Speaker 3: the fan. Now it's like, I gotta do what's best
Speaker 3: for me. And I think that's the thing where I
Speaker 3: have to start getting into that space where like, man,
Speaker 3: I have to start focusing on what's best for me
Speaker 3: and stop exordining all my energy into trying.
Speaker 2: To look out for other people's best interests.
Speaker 1: So if you do that, and that involves picking another
Speaker 1: team in the National Football League, what message you would
Speaker 1: you like to send to an NFL team that's looking
Speaker 1: for a quarterback right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the message I would like to say for any
Speaker 3: NFL team is like, I'm willing and able to win.
Speaker 2: I understand the importance of LAS security.
Speaker 3: I know this first and foremost, man, But if you
Speaker 3: looking for somebody that has the winning in their DNA,
Speaker 3: if you look at somebody that they can really rally
Speaker 3: the troops and get people to fight, not from just
Speaker 3: a bullian standpoint, but from an inspirational standpoint and from
Speaker 3: an action standpoint. I let my actions speak I lead
Speaker 3: by example. I'm the first one in the building, I'm
Speaker 3: the last one to leave. My preparation is unmatched. So
Speaker 3: I'm willing and able to do whatever it is required
Speaker 3: to be a super Bowl winning quarterback. But what that does,
Speaker 3: that requires trust. That trust has to be earned. But
Speaker 3: I want someone to actually give me a chance, give
Speaker 3: me a chance to dedicate their time and energy into Like, man,
Speaker 3: how can we make how can we allow this guy
Speaker 3: to be his best?
Speaker 1: Talking about somebody, let me interrupt in interpret.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker 1: You're basically talking about somebody that looks at you and says, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give.
Speaker 4: You a fair shot. I actually believe in you.
Speaker 1: Not somebody that settles for you, not somebody that tolerate
Speaker 1: because of whatever circumstances. It somebody that looks at you,
Speaker 1: and you know by looking at them, they believe in me.
Speaker 4: I got to show up and produce for them.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 4: That's basically what you say.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's based on what I'm saying, like, hey, hey man,
Speaker 3: Like okay, you my guy, I'm gonna give you an
Speaker 3: opportunity to be my guy. Let's surround you with everything
Speaker 3: that you require, right, and let's involve you in that process. Right,
Speaker 3: Let's go back and look at your top ten concepts. Right,
Speaker 3: let's make sure that those are in. Right, Let's go
Speaker 3: back and see, like, do are you how you extend plays?
Speaker 3: Like what type of receivers have you had success with?
Speaker 3: And let's let's put that together and then'm gonna get
Speaker 3: your shot.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: If you screw that up, now we have a reason
Speaker 3: to go ahead, wipe our hands with you and then
Speaker 3: let you go. But man, I just to think the
Speaker 3: accessory that I am to a locker room in general,
Speaker 3: it's contagious. Man Like when you look at how our
Speaker 3: Brown's locker room was. Man Like, I'm a solution oriented guy.
Speaker 3: Like when you are in going through the length of
Speaker 3: a season, you're losing, like that is a recipe of disaster.
Speaker 3: People start looking the clock out. But when you have
Speaker 3: someone like me and on the team like we not's
Speaker 3: it's not it's not that because we're all in and
Speaker 3: it's a certain standard because we get paid to do this,
Speaker 3: no matter if we're going out there and lose it,
Speaker 3: no matter we're going out there and winning. We get
Speaker 3: paid to give an I best, and I want to
Speaker 3: be more on the winning side than that losing side. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm tired of it.
Speaker 1: We'll let you get on out there because I know
Speaker 1: you got to go, and I really appreciate your time, Man,
Speaker 1: really thank you to thank you for being here. You
Speaker 1: get a chance to watch any college football man. I
Speaker 1: did cam Ward Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3: Who you going with, Man, I'm a big fan of Shader.
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of Shaduer just because over the
Speaker 3: course of his life we watched his kids show up
Speaker 3: and show out.
Speaker 2: Man. I remember when when Prime when d I had.
Speaker 3: A show showing their high school football team, so we
Speaker 3: saw him, man, And I think in today's NFL, you
Speaker 3: have to have a quarterback that is poised in all
Speaker 3: circumstances and it has dealt with some type of adversity.
Speaker 3: I think when Shador came out in real life, like, Man,
Speaker 3: I'm not getting the opportunities that I want in a
Speaker 3: college football ram. So I'm gonna listen to my father's advice.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to an HBCU. I'm gonna develop a
Speaker 3: platform there and then grow my way up into someone
Speaker 3: wanting me and then now I'm gonna go to Colorado,
Speaker 3: a place where you know, known like Cordair's Steward and
Speaker 3: people like that. I'm gonna go to this place where
Speaker 3: people are gonna be like, oh, you can't have success.
Speaker 2: They're like, how you're gonna go to Colorado?
Speaker 4: I got you.
Speaker 1: But the problem with him is his arm strengthen is
Speaker 1: considered as big as cam Ward. He can't run like
Speaker 1: cam Ward can run. And you just finished talking about
Speaker 1: coming out of Alabama, what you what your gift was?
Speaker 1: But how they wanted to encourage you know, they want
Speaker 1: to courage you to run it. You want to show
Speaker 1: that you could throw. Well, now we're playing in an NFL.
Speaker 1: They want you to run. They want you to show
Speaker 1: you can run. Plus they want that arm strength and
Speaker 1: Sha Door saying is who's poise? I love and I
Speaker 1: love his moxie, and I love what he brings to
Speaker 1: the table. I can't ignore that advantage cam Ward has.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, the intangibles are the intangibles. But let's go
Speaker 3: back to like what does he do great?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: He throws great on rhythm. He's a very accurate quarterback.
Speaker 3: Talk about Shoud It's great in rhythm, he's a very
Speaker 3: accurate quarterback. So how about you go with hey, coaches,
Speaker 3: officer coordinators, a couple officive coordinators that.
Speaker 2: Don't require a superstar quarterback. Some of them might be
Speaker 2: in the NFC.
Speaker 3: They don't require that, and they develop a scheme around
Speaker 3: them to get the ball out on They get the
Speaker 3: ball out of their quarterbacks hands on time. They don't
Speaker 3: put their quarterback in high pressing situations because they have
Speaker 3: a good running game, and they escort their quarterback all
Speaker 3: the way up to NFC, I mean to championship games
Speaker 3: and then they show, now, quarterback, you're on this big stage,
Speaker 3: can you make a play for us when it matters most?
Speaker 3: And I think Shador has more intangibles than a lot
Speaker 3: of other guys, Like not everybody can throw the ball
Speaker 3: eighty rs. Not everybody has a cannon, but we've got
Speaker 3: guys in this league and guys that have had successansly.
Speaker 3: I look at it from like this Drew Brees, who
Speaker 3: was electric, Like I grew up watching Drew Brees from
Speaker 3: nine to eight. Team eighteen was the last year where
Speaker 3: he really was stretching the ball down the field vertically
Speaker 3: in picking people apart with his arm strength and then
Speaker 3: as I continue to watch Family and Drew Brees, he
Speaker 3: started just doing with his mind and I think should
Speaker 3: do it. Is far ahead of a lot of quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: especially mentally, like he trained, He's trained with Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: He has surrounded himself with guys that does the job
Speaker 3: the right way. So I know he has the mental
Speaker 3: makeup of a quarterback in this league right now despite
Speaker 3: his limitations. I know his work Anthic, I know his daddy.
Speaker 3: His daddy is all of our favorite to sound athlete
Speaker 3: like of all time. So I know the preparation that
Speaker 3: he's gonna put in in just the pedigree that he
Speaker 3: comes from, that he's not gonna get to this league
Speaker 3: and be slight or not give everything because he got
Speaker 3: a name to live up to ken Water On Man,
Speaker 3: he's very talented.
Speaker 2: I think he's done a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know his makeup. I haven't
Speaker 3: studied more. I haven't seen him right. I saw him
Speaker 3: do his thing in Washington State. I saw him come
Speaker 3: down to Miami and obviously ball. But I think in
Speaker 3: today's world you have to see quarterbacks that have went
Speaker 3: through adversity. I think that's one thing that the nil
Speaker 3: in college football allows you to see with these quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: When you look at Bow, Knicks and Jane Daniels from
Speaker 3: last year, Bow had to be told like because he
Speaker 3: from Alabama. Bow had to be told bo, I mean,
Speaker 3: I know you Alabama's greatest, but man, you have to
Speaker 3: go somewhere else to show us that you really got
Speaker 3: to play. Because at Alabama, like he was, they counted
Speaker 3: them out like he he not there for us. He
Speaker 3: went through that adversity, went to Oregon, stood out and
Speaker 3: came look at Michael Pennix. Michael Pennix, they out of
Speaker 3: years old. Man, he has some acl acl injury injuries
Speaker 3: he had overcome.
Speaker 2: Man. He was at Indiana and he didn't do nothing.
Speaker 3: Indiana went to Washington showed them, Man, I came through
Speaker 3: adversity now, man, like this guy looking like for you
Speaker 3: Steve McNab back then and Jaden Daniels. Man, I had
Speaker 3: the opportunity to sit with Ryan Clark and his son
Speaker 3: was Jaden's teammate and Arizona State and to hear the
Speaker 3: stories of how those his teammates now on the State
Speaker 3: was throwing stuff out his locker. He went to LSU
Speaker 3: talking about he ain't gonna be nothing. He ain't gonna
Speaker 3: be that, and then him to go to LSU after
Speaker 3: knowing that adversity because he's a West Coast kid to
Speaker 3: win that Heisman Trophy and to come and have one
Speaker 3: of the most historic years in the NFL. It is
Speaker 3: required for you to have some type of adversion because
Speaker 3: you coming in the league at twenty four, twenty five,
Speaker 3: twenty six. These days, it's required for you to have
Speaker 3: to go through some type of adversity so we don't
Speaker 3: have to go through the growing pains if we do
Speaker 3: choose you to be our quarterback early on in this process.
Speaker 1: For I'll let you get on out of here. I'd
Speaker 1: be remissing neglected to bring up the Super Bowl because
Speaker 1: I know you gotta go Philadelphia Eagles Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4: Who's gonna win this game? And what is it gonna
Speaker 4: take to win this game?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not gonna get you a pick on who
Speaker 3: is gonna win this game, but I'm a person about
Speaker 3: the trenches man. Henna City has one of the most
Speaker 3: dominant defensive linement in this league, and Chris Jones and
Speaker 3: he lines up all over the place, So they're gonna
Speaker 3: be trying to find different ways to get him matched
Speaker 3: up against any Eagles offensive line because it's a blick
Speaker 3: it's a brick wall up front. Let's just be really
Speaker 3: and seepect God. He does the great job of designing
Speaker 3: pressures to attack saft spots of the Eagles offensive line,
Speaker 3: but their main focus is gonna be to eliminate Saquon
Speaker 3: Barkley from getting to the second level. And I think
Speaker 3: not Cleveland, but the Kansas City's defensive line with where
Speaker 3: Chris Jones has the opportunity to wreck an offense by
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator just call him the play and they
Speaker 3: not knowing what ninety five is gonna be. So it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a few players where he's just gonna make
Speaker 3: plays because he had he's miss It's a mismatch.
Speaker 2: Well, on the other side.
Speaker 3: Jalen Caller, he primarily lines up on the right side
Speaker 3: and with Cree humph and Tray Smith, who is looking
Speaker 3: for that big payday. He gonna have to show up
Speaker 3: and show out and show that he can consistently beat
Speaker 3: Jalen Carter because he's gonna line up on the right side.
Speaker 2: The Eagles are simple that you know what they're gonna
Speaker 2: be in.
Speaker 3: You know what the players are gonna line up is
Speaker 3: just about out execute their team.
Speaker 2: It's gonna start with the trenches. It's gonna finish with
Speaker 2: the trenches.
Speaker 3: If the Eagles dominate the line of scrimmage and win
Speaker 3: the point of attack, they will win this game. If
Speaker 3: Kansas City continues to do it because they find a
Speaker 3: way to win every single game, if it's a high
Speaker 3: scoring game or a low scoring game. We know if
Speaker 3: it comes down to the crush, Kansas City has a
Speaker 3: magical formula to win close games when it matters.
Speaker 2: Smokes.
Speaker 1: You know you said you are a winder. You didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about losing until you got to the NFL.
Speaker 1: I think it's appropriate to bring this up. Thank you
Speaker 1: for being on the show. Former Heisman Trophy winner. Thank
Speaker 1: you form a national champion. We need to remember that
Speaker 1: the one and know only jameis Winston right here with Steven.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you man, all the best to you, and
Speaker 1: I hope you land someplace with an offensive line.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, thank you, Good lord.
Speaker 4: Have mercy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you could do if you don't
Speaker 1: have an offensive line.
Speaker 2: James don't go any place there. They don't have an
Speaker 2: offensive line, just don't got, Just don't got.
Speaker 3: That's why I told you. It's about it's about the scheme.
Speaker 3: It's about who we got. Yes, sir, thank you.