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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, July thirtieth, twenty eighteen, Season fourteen, episode
Speaker 1: number sixteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break. We're
Speaker 1: live from Oxnard, California, talking Cowboys football. Got Nick, I
Speaker 1: got Amber, I got Dave, and let's go, guys. I remember,
Speaker 1: how's everybody doing this one? I think we're doing well, good, awesome,
Speaker 1: good great players are off, but we're not. We keep
Speaker 1: grinding on a Monday. I don't know what that training kings.
Speaker 1: This training camp. We don't take days off. We got
Speaker 1: plenty of stuff to talk about this weekend. The Cowboys,
Speaker 1: uh get their first taste of padded practices that happened
Speaker 1: on Saturday and Sunday, so a lot of stuff coming
Speaker 1: out of that. We'll talk about some of the observances
Speaker 1: that you guys had. Nick, you had some time yesterday
Speaker 1: to talk to Sean Lee in what was semi exclusive
Speaker 1: a couple of one of the other person was there.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk to you a little bit about that,
Speaker 1: and let you tell us a little bit about what
Speaker 1: Shawn's talking about. These days. We'll get into some injury talk.
Speaker 1: There are a few guys that are popping up there.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of big injuries so far, but a
Speaker 1: few injuries that we kind of need to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. We'll talk about that, and then we'll have
Speaker 1: some questions that will kind of health fans recap this
Speaker 1: first week of training camp in the first two days
Speaker 1: of padded practices. We'll get into that to round out
Speaker 1: the show in around the third segment. So let's get
Speaker 1: started first. As I want to do every day during
Speaker 1: the show, I just want to go down the line
Speaker 1: and everybody give me an observance. So this can come
Speaker 1: from either of the two days. Over the last two
Speaker 1: days of training camp, give me one observance, one thing
Speaker 1: you noticed that stood out to you. You'll start with
Speaker 1: you Dave's observance a word observation. Servation. Observance is not
Speaker 1: a word. I don't I might know, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not sound, just sounds weird to me. It did sound
Speaker 1: weird to me. Let me see, I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 1: Why do you say I'm gonna find that? Since you
Speaker 1: let me go first, I'm just gonna be this is
Speaker 1: any position any Yeah, observance is a word I saw
Speaker 1: we were talking about one specific position. Are we going tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Did you not pay attention in the pre show meeting?
Speaker 1: Honestly not? Here's all right, whatever, I know, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna take the easy one, since you
Speaker 1: let me go first. Yes, give me an observance, My guy,
Speaker 1: you're a guy Byron Jones. What's up, dude? You look
Speaker 1: good out there on the boundary. You really do. I
Speaker 1: know it's two days, but he looks really nice. He
Speaker 1: had a pick of Dak Prescott in the first practice
Speaker 1: he made. He's made this type of play before at safety,
Speaker 1: but yesterday and one on ones, lancelin Or kind of
Speaker 1: beat him with a little double move. How a step
Speaker 1: or so on him didn't matter, caught up to him.
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like a trademark play at this point,
Speaker 1: the diving kind of not even a bat down, but
Speaker 1: like the tap away just he's got the athleticism to
Speaker 1: play that position, and I think, you know, thinking about
Speaker 1: it critically, Like I said, he's made that play as
Speaker 1: a safety, but there's so much more you need to
Speaker 1: know as a safety as opposed to just stick your man,
Speaker 1: you know, and with that type of athleticism, maybe we
Speaker 1: should have seen or maybe we should have given him
Speaker 1: more credit for being able to do that, because he
Speaker 1: looks like a natural through two days. I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot to go, but he looks really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a few coaches stange Lal. Some
Speaker 1: of the things that he has been doing with the
Speaker 1: receivers that I haven't seen before happening here. I really
Speaker 1: enjoy one of them being like certain drills that he
Speaker 1: does with the like balancing and how they are able
Speaker 1: to improve their balance, the hand grip where they carry
Speaker 1: these little blocks and just carry down the field to
Speaker 1: help that grip. And Chris Ristar, I mean, just watching
Speaker 1: him is absolutely entertaining, the passion that he brings, how
Speaker 1: he involved he is. You see him running around the
Speaker 1: whole field coaching each guy right after a play, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what play it is, He'll go right up to
Speaker 1: him and just give them some points about how that
Speaker 1: went down or what to do next, and it's absolutely
Speaker 1: amazing to me just to see that. I like what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing so far from what the Cowboys are doing
Speaker 1: with Tavon Austin. There really doesn't seem to be any
Speaker 1: kind of what position as he forget those questions. You know,
Speaker 1: he might run the ball occasionally, but he looks like
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. They're playing him in that role. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones said yesterday that he might be just as important
Speaker 1: with the ball out of his hands then when he's
Speaker 1: got the ball as a decoy, but you can't do
Speaker 1: that unless you show that he can, you know, get
Speaker 1: the ball and go vertically a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: this team's throwing the ball down the field a little
Speaker 1: bit more from what I've seen, which is also a
Speaker 1: good thing if you at the players to do it.
Speaker 1: So I like what I've seen out of Tavon. We
Speaker 1: talked about it yesterday, a lot of lucky whitehead stuff
Speaker 1: when he went east west, but we are seeing him
Speaker 1: kind of go down the field Tavon a little bit more.
Speaker 1: So I like that. Yeah, I will throw in one observation,
Speaker 1: and to me, this observation is kind of what you
Speaker 1: would have expected. But it's been so much better than
Speaker 1: what I thought it could be. This offensive line has
Speaker 1: been extremely dominant, and the best part about it is
Speaker 1: the person that I thought would be the weak link
Speaker 1: because he's the young guy. He has been, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: just as good as any of the rest of them.
Speaker 1: I've seen him in one on ones, We've seen him
Speaker 1: in situations where where they're doing a team drill. And
Speaker 1: this offensive line is just looking very very good right now.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to Nat about it yesterday. Nate
Speaker 1: said he believes that right now this is the best
Speaker 1: he's seen this offensive line in years, and that goes
Speaker 1: back for the last several years, over years when they've
Speaker 1: had great play. Now, of course, this is just two
Speaker 1: days into practice, but all that being said, right now,
Speaker 1: the way they're performing out here, it's really really impressive.
Speaker 1: Connor Williams looks very nice. Yeah, that's not the Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins looks very nice too. We can do that all
Speaker 1: it does. You're right, You're right. I'll give him. I'll
Speaker 1: give him the look. And it's actually interesting. We got
Speaker 1: our first a little skirmish yesterday. Lyle Collins and Uh
Speaker 1: and Uh was at Taco, and the skirmish was because
Speaker 1: one guy in one position, one side of the ball
Speaker 1: was just better than the other and they were just dominant.
Speaker 1: And Taco wasn't mad because anything really Lyle did other
Speaker 1: than just I mean threw them down to the ground
Speaker 1: and it was just repeated. And this keeps happening. Tyron
Speaker 1: Crawford is going to do the same thing either tomorrow
Speaker 1: or the next day, just to kind of set the
Speaker 1: tone because they're getting man handled. Tyron Smith just mean
Speaker 1: that was just nasty. Yeah, I said this in my
Speaker 1: you know, we do the If you don't, you should
Speaker 1: be reading it. We write a little observation about something
Speaker 1: we saw a practice every day. I think we both
Speaker 1: wrote about Tyron, didn't we Well, just just the one
Speaker 1: guy that, you know, kind of one thing that stood
Speaker 1: out for you. But and uh, Tyrn, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think everyone could have probably gone with Tyrn. Have you
Speaker 1: ever seen like the documentaries on the Nature Channel of
Speaker 1: like grizzly bears fighting. That's what Tyron Smith looks like.
Speaker 1: Like he's just just it's gross in a good way,
Speaker 1: like he just not even fighting another bear, just like no,
Speaker 1: like it's a grizzly bear fighting a man. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: and it looks so effortless too. It's like he just
Speaker 1: goes there and okay, that's it, moves stands out or
Speaker 1: like keeps walking, and it's like so effortless. And I
Speaker 1: feel horrible for the for the defensive players, how they
Speaker 1: get thrown and it's it's frustrating. I get frustrated just
Speaker 1: watching it. I'm like, oh my god, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I wrote this about Tyron Crawford. The good news is
Speaker 1: it'll only get better than that. Yes, yeah, And because
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith at that level is the best left tackle
Speaker 1: in football right yeah, now when he's kind of banged
Speaker 1: up a little bit, and there's some others. I know,
Speaker 1: there's other teams that think they're left tackle maybe better,
Speaker 1: but I think when he is playing like that, and
Speaker 1: yesterday when they were out there in that one on
Speaker 1: one situation, Tyrone Crawford was going against against him. Afterwards,
Speaker 1: Tyrone got really frustrate through his helmet down and Nate
Speaker 1: walked over to him and said something. Then afterwards, I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, me and Shannon, we're standing there
Speaker 1: and we said, Nate, what would you tell him? He
Speaker 1: was like, look, the point is that's the best you're
Speaker 1: going to face, he said. I if you can go
Speaker 1: through those battles and even if you win two times
Speaker 1: out of ten, like, that's the point. You're gonna play
Speaker 1: all the guys you're gonna play, he said. When I
Speaker 1: used to play, when I played Jerome Brown, I knew
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a long, hard day. But I
Speaker 1: also knew if I could play him and matches his level,
Speaker 1: I knew that for the next six eight weeks of
Speaker 1: the season, I was going to destroy people because nobody
Speaker 1: was gonna be as good as Jerome Brown. So the
Speaker 1: fact he's getting to practice with that guy and what
Speaker 1: you saw afterwards, Tyron went and grabbed him afterwards and
Speaker 1: said started breaking down, like here's what you did wrong.
Speaker 1: Here's how you could have beat me right there. That's
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff where it's gonna make Tyrone a
Speaker 1: better player going up against Tyron. Tyrone actually sorry, which
Speaker 1: is what DeMarcus Ware did to Time exactly when he
Speaker 1: used to destroy him. Yeah, exactly what he would do
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. Tyrone talked about that after practice on Saturday,
Speaker 1: they did the compete period in front of the whole
Speaker 1: team and Tyrone kicked his butt and he was, you know,
Speaker 1: that same thing, just kind of talking about pointers and
Speaker 1: how you can get better, and he's gonna watch the tape,
Speaker 1: and to his credit, he was like, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I want to go against the best. It makes me better,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. In my mind, I was just like, really,
Speaker 1: because it sounds fun to go against the sucky guy
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, that's just every once in a while.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to get a win. Everyone, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I need that ego boost. Yeah, but they here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If he can get to a point where like like
Speaker 1: like Nate was saying, if he wins one out of
Speaker 1: every ten, two out of every ten, then he is
Speaker 1: going to be better prepared to face those those tackles
Speaker 1: that are not Tyren Smith, which guess what, you only
Speaker 1: gonna probably face two or three of those in a season.
Speaker 1: For the rest of my life, I'll remember my first
Speaker 1: training camp twenty thirteen, Like me and Nick were just like,
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith's gonna start a left tackle for because swear
Speaker 1: he was wearing him out. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about these injuries. Um, I
Speaker 1: first want to talk about an injury that that kind
Speaker 1: of popped up when we first got to camp. We
Speaker 1: haven't gotten resolution on it. I'm wondering if there is
Speaker 1: a head coming on this one. Cavon Frasier, there was
Speaker 1: some tests being done on his on his blood work,
Speaker 1: and there was some maybe some anomalies that popped up.
Speaker 1: What do you guys know at this point about Cabon
Speaker 1: the last that I have heard and I talked with
Speaker 1: him briefly, and he's very upbeat and optimistic about it.
Speaker 1: I think that he thinks and that the Cowboys think
Speaker 1: that this is just a precautionary thing, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's something so serious that that you have to you know,
Speaker 1: you have to take it um, you know, make sure
Speaker 1: that you go through all the all the steps. It's
Speaker 1: almost like a concussion where you know, yeah, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. Well, let's just make sure that you are. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's told me Tuesday, so tomorrow they'll be able to
Speaker 1: get some results, okay, And and if the results are
Speaker 1: what they are ninety five percent think that they will
Speaker 1: be gets your helmet on and go play. That's what
Speaker 1: he's thinking, That's what he's hoping. Good but sometimes players
Speaker 1: say that and that that's not exactly what the trainers
Speaker 1: and doctors say, but that's kind of what he said.
Speaker 1: So he's got his fingers crossed that tomorrow he'll be
Speaker 1: able to get the news he wants that he can
Speaker 1: come back. All right, yesterday and practice, Chaz Green leaves
Speaker 1: the field. What do we know about his situation, To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, not a ton. Don't know a
Speaker 1: lot on that. It's it's an off day. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: doesn't speak to the media. I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we've heard anything. Limped off right, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: dehydrated the other day, limped off didn't return. Can't be
Speaker 1: good for a guy. I mean, I'm looking at him
Speaker 1: right now. I'm looking at Cameron Fleming, and Cameron Fleming
Speaker 1: has been getting a lot of reps with Darren they're
Speaker 1: kind of moving, tiring in and out, and Cameron Fleming
Speaker 1: has looked really good. It's one of those situations where
Speaker 1: Chaz needs the time out on the field, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I mean, I know I'm saying something that's
Speaker 1: common sense, but he needs that time. He needs something positive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have anything really ever except for that one game.
Speaker 1: I think ty or that yeah sixteen. I mean, he
Speaker 1: he's just he needs he needs some reason to say,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is this is you know what why
Speaker 1: we need him around and not because he was drafted
Speaker 1: in the third round that that's that's done. Now it's like,
Speaker 1: what what are you doing for our football team? And
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just it's a nice guy, you know,
Speaker 1: and I hope he can turn it around. He just
Speaker 1: he hasn't done anything. I've long thought that he had
Speaker 1: a better chance to make the team than a lot
Speaker 1: of people gave him credit for because of what happened.
Speaker 1: Just he's got flexibility. Say what you will, but he
Speaker 1: does um And with Tyron Smith's injury history, you probably
Speaker 1: want as much insurance that tackle was possible. But and
Speaker 1: I don't know the severity of the injury, but he
Speaker 1: needs the reps if he's gonna make that happened. That
Speaker 1: goes for anybody who's not a bona fide starter on
Speaker 1: the team. So hopefully we'll get an update on him.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's not too bad. But I don't I don't
Speaker 1: have a detailed updates. All right, give me a quick
Speaker 1: update on Cedric Wilson who has a shoulder injury. He
Speaker 1: he does have a shoulder injury. Uh. Jerry Jones said, well,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said yesterday it's gonna be at least a
Speaker 1: couple of days. And for Jason Garrett to put a
Speaker 1: timeline on something other than day to day probably means
Speaker 1: it's not I'm serious if I'm if he puts it,
Speaker 1: If he if he puts an actual timeline on it,
Speaker 1: by saying more than just a couple of days or
Speaker 1: at least a couple of days, it's probably not good.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones confirmed that, I mean, it sounds like it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a little while for him, at least maybe
Speaker 1: a week, if not more. Yeah, um so. And I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's a tough blow for a guy he's
Speaker 1: already facing an upward battle just by you know, being
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick or seventh round pick. Um, I
Speaker 1: think sixth round pick, right, Yeah, I think we we've
Speaker 1: we kind of all think there's five five receivers that
Speaker 1: are gonna that are kind of locks, you know, like
Speaker 1: Tavon and Beasley, Gallop, Hearns. You know, those five guys
Speaker 1: are gonna make this team. So six to ten. You know,
Speaker 1: there's there's one or two guys that are gonna come
Speaker 1: out of that. I think they're all kind of right there,
Speaker 1: you know, Lance, Lenore and which and actually and Cedric
Speaker 1: would have been in that or I'm sure you, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you were gonna get to this. But the other
Speaker 1: one's Noah Brown, and he's got a hammy right now
Speaker 1: yet and and and the leader of that next group
Speaker 1: is Deontay Thompson because just because of the experience and
Speaker 1: the speed that he you don't think deon Tick Thompson
Speaker 1: is a He's definitely making this team. No way, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not No. Just seems like I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: saying there's no way he makes the team. I'm saying lock.
Speaker 1: The only reason I say that is because I think
Speaker 1: he's getting a lot of reps right now. It seems
Speaker 1: like he's getting a lot of reps. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: because Terrence isn't out there, and then that that affects it.
Speaker 1: But but if one of these younger guys that really emerged,
Speaker 1: if Cedric Wilson, let's say, would have would have stayed
Speaker 1: healthy and just been really good at and shows some
Speaker 1: downfield threats, or or you know, maybe you know Lance
Speaker 1: Lenore or Kadi Cannon or or mckel McKay has kind
Speaker 1: of come up a little bit. Hey, I think we've
Speaker 1: done a good job of putting fans onto Lance Lenore.
Speaker 1: And obviously you don't root for injuries. He doesn't root
Speaker 1: for injuries, I'm sure. But things are aligning for him
Speaker 1: to do some work here because Cedric Wilson and Noah
Speaker 1: Brown are certainly two of his biggest competitors for a
Speaker 1: roster spot. Dudes out here running with the first team
Speaker 1: and I mean they're mixing and matching and everybody's getting
Speaker 1: a look, but it is clear that they are giving
Speaker 1: Lance Lenore an opportunity. Dak Prescott loves him. We know
Speaker 1: that that's the type that happens at training camp. That's
Speaker 1: you got to take advantage of those opportunities. So while
Speaker 1: we wait for Noah and Cedric to get back, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, Kadi and Deonte for sure, but Lancelenoor is
Speaker 1: a guy that I've got both eyes on, well, Katie
Speaker 1: Cannon and can run like the wind. But you know
Speaker 1: you're saying bolts not in the NFL. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean you have to catch it. I mean he's
Speaker 1: having a hard time with these tough catches. I've you know,
Speaker 1: I obviously watch him a little bit more because I've
Speaker 1: always thought that he's a talented player and he's really
Speaker 1: really fast, but um, he's got to come up with those.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes the ball is not exactly where you
Speaker 1: want it to be and you got to make these
Speaker 1: tough catches. Mckel McKay, he he's he looks the party.
Speaker 1: You know, he goes up and get and get it. Now.
Speaker 1: I wonder McKay's I mean, he he had a circus
Speaker 1: catch on Saturday. He almost had another one on Sunday. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's interesting just in the sense that, like Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: he's just he's got a body type that the rest
Speaker 1: of these guys don't have him. He's six five, he's
Speaker 1: not as he's not as bulky as Noah. I don't
Speaker 1: know how he is in the blocking game, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you're just looking for a way to diversify your
Speaker 1: receiver group, he definitely stands out. What college are they
Speaker 1: saying he's from, because I know he went to Arkansas
Speaker 1: went to Arkansas, he was at Cincinnati. He's been out
Speaker 1: of college for like two or three years, four to ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: big guys, lanky. Yeah, you can look when you look
Speaker 1: at him, he's like, he's which big? What's because Noah's
Speaker 1: Noah's six two twenty five, So I mean they're both big,
Speaker 1: but Noah's got a little more. Yeah, he's thick, as
Speaker 1: they say on Instagram. Yeah, yes, is that what they say? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go and take our first break. When
Speaker 1: we come back, I do want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about Shaun Lee. He has not been practicing. We
Speaker 1: don't think at this point it's an injury related I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's not injury related, but he has not
Speaker 1: been been practicing in team drills. It's been held out
Speaker 1: quite a bit. We're gonna talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: And Nick, you had an opportunity to talk to him
Speaker 1: one on one, so we'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: what some of the things you heard from him. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's injury related, Okay, nice, we'll get to that. We'll
Speaker 1: get to the is that when we come ba back.
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Speaker 1: It is the second effect of the show, Live from
Speaker 1: Oxtar California. We're not at the s w GC Bargan Studios.
Speaker 1: We will be back there on August. We appreciated the
Speaker 1: twentieth I think it is nineteenth something like that. We
Speaker 1: get back. All it really is, let's focus on now
Speaker 1: and we're in Oxtar, California, Sunnyloint today, So let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about Sean Lee NICKI had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to him yesterday. UM, I know you told
Speaker 1: me you guys talked a little bit about kind of
Speaker 1: what his status is. You talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: his leadership and what he's thinking from that standpoint. Run
Speaker 1: us through that conversation. Yeah, well, we basically just just
Speaker 1: a couple of writers were able to talk to him,
Speaker 1: which is always a good thing. We'll be able to
Speaker 1: write something, um in a couple of days and really
Speaker 1: go into kind of not not just from leadership standpoint,
Speaker 1: but just kind of him embracing that role talking with
Speaker 1: Jason Witten figuring out, you know, just kind of Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is my turn, this is me having
Speaker 1: to wear this hat now and and what it really um,
Speaker 1: what it really means, especially for the Dallas Cowboy, leader
Speaker 1: of the team, and he was tested right off the
Speaker 1: bat um with with the what happened with the with
Speaker 1: the Dez Bryant thing, and he was uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 1: He didn't like to do that. He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: talk about former players and stuff like that. But this
Speaker 1: is one of those things where you have to do
Speaker 1: things you don't want to do. And then he had
Speaker 1: to to step up. I thought he handled it the
Speaker 1: right way and so but you know, he didn't want to,
Speaker 1: but he kind of had to, which is what leaders
Speaker 1: have to do. As far as him playing, he um,
Speaker 1: you know, he said that that this is a plan.
Speaker 1: They're just kind of easing him into this situation. This
Speaker 1: isn't the same for everybody else. Some players, you know,
Speaker 1: they they they're getting as many reps as as they
Speaker 1: as they can. Um, Sean Lee's gonna get as many
Speaker 1: reps as he needs. I think that that's kind of
Speaker 1: the way that they're they're they're approaching this. And he
Speaker 1: even admitted there was a hamstring injury last year in
Speaker 1: camp and kind of plagued them throughout the season. So uh,
Speaker 1: he was hoping to avoid things like that. And he
Speaker 1: said when he just his window of we start here
Speaker 1: and he is the first game. His is gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit later on and just moving forward. And
Speaker 1: you can do that when you're eight or nine, you're
Speaker 1: a veteran like this. I think it's gonna work. I hope,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: they know. You know, it's just like, why why take
Speaker 1: the hits right now and deliver the hits. Let's just
Speaker 1: wait and and let's let's start the process a little
Speaker 1: bit later and we'll see they've tried everything. It's kind
Speaker 1: of head scratching at this point with with how to
Speaker 1: handle this situation with Shawn Lee. Maybe it works, maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't. You all know me. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to practice at all, I'm good. Yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: I roll him out game day, come to the meetings,
Speaker 1: you know, work out, go to the walkthrough, and we'll
Speaker 1: see you September ninth. If that's I mean, if that's
Speaker 1: what you gotta do, you've earned that, right, Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a good player, and he's gonna be a good
Speaker 1: player whether he gets a whole bunch of reps out
Speaker 1: here or not. The real hope, though, is that in
Speaker 1: whatever they do, they can hopefully keep him from getting
Speaker 1: injured this year. I mean, and know they make it
Speaker 1: through a sixteen game season. Mickey's Mickey's not here, But
Speaker 1: if he was here, he'd say, you just want to
Speaker 1: roll him out there on September ninth, all rusty like that,
Speaker 1: And I would be like, yeah, because rusty Shawn Lee's
Speaker 1: still probably pretty good. But you know that's the flip
Speaker 1: side to the flip side too, it is you also
Speaker 1: have to prepare him though, Like you have to get
Speaker 1: him ready to play, Like you can't really expect he's
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run out there and play without
Speaker 1: then Sean Lee, he's not ready, does not sleep, he waits,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's ready. He wakes
Speaker 1: up spitting fire and eating nails and thinking about football.
Speaker 1: Like he'll go to the meetings and he'll go to
Speaker 1: the walkthrough and he'll be more intense than the next
Speaker 1: most intense guy on the team regardless. Like it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you not get injured with the way he plays?
Speaker 1: He goes so hard at it that I mean, you're
Speaker 1: just bound to eventually get an injury. And you know,
Speaker 1: people want to complain about him and how weak he is,
Speaker 1: you know, his injury wise, you know, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's just like, how God, it's such because
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty fifteen they moved him to will
Speaker 1: and it was to help him, you know, get over
Speaker 1: the injury issues, and he kicked it. He kicked it
Speaker 1: for like two years. Like people would talk about him
Speaker 1: getting hurt that really didn't happen for two whole seasons.
Speaker 1: And you know, he has one year where he struggles
Speaker 1: with hamstrings and there we are, so and it's it's justified.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had plenty of injuries over the course
Speaker 1: of his career, but it sucks that, you know, two
Speaker 1: years of hard work and staying healthy kind of get
Speaker 1: thrown out the window after what happened last year. So
Speaker 1: hopefully he can get back on the track he was on.
Speaker 1: Not trying to jinx him. Um, but let's assume for
Speaker 1: a second that something did it did happen, and he
Speaker 1: was going to be out for an extended period of time.
Speaker 1: Just in what you've seen over the last couple of days,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that linebacker position. It's way
Speaker 1: too early. Honestly, I think safety and linebacker are like
Speaker 1: two of the hardest positions to evaluate in training camp
Speaker 1: because linebacker, to me is the hardest it is. It
Speaker 1: is a position well and running. I mean, but we
Speaker 1: know what we haven't Zeke like, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 1: But safety and linebacker are just predicated on hitting people
Speaker 1: and being you know, so like you can judge somebody's angles,
Speaker 1: you can judge, you know, but it's so hard to tell.
Speaker 1: You know, all right, they're in position, Are they going
Speaker 1: to make the tackle? Yeah? Um, so I can't sit
Speaker 1: here and say like I feel great, but um, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like Cam Fleming on the offensive line, I
Speaker 1: feel really good about what they did. Whether it works
Speaker 1: out as any body's guests. But you know, let's say,
Speaker 1: if Sean Lee goes down for an extended period of time,
Speaker 1: if I had to guess, you're going to move Leyden
Speaker 1: vander Esh to the week side. You're gonna play Jaylen
Speaker 1: at Mike, and you're gonna have Joe Thomas to kind
Speaker 1: of fill in behind them. And honestly, Joe Thomas is
Speaker 1: a guy that we're probably not talking about enough just
Speaker 1: in terms of the reps he's getting. He's getting first
Speaker 1: team reps, he's playing in multiple spots, especially with Shan
Speaker 1: not being out there, and you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to peg him in for the Pro Bowl, but I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a nice He's one of those
Speaker 1: kind of like Jeremy Mintzi was a few years ago.
Speaker 1: He's one of those no frills, veteran additions that you're
Speaker 1: going to really value by the time you're done playing
Speaker 1: sixteen games. And so between those three guys, I feel
Speaker 1: at least okay that the linebacking corps is not going
Speaker 1: to fall apart the way that it did last year
Speaker 1: when Sean went down. What do you think about Jayalen
Speaker 1: right now? Again really hard to value. Let me let
Speaker 1: me back up, because I think with Jayleen, the thing
Speaker 1: about it is watching him move. I think tells you
Speaker 1: a lot. We've been watching him move for the last year,
Speaker 1: and I think there were moments in each at different
Speaker 1: parts of the year where you were like, I think
Speaker 1: he's moving pretty good, or I don't think he's moving
Speaker 1: very well at all. I remember during training camp last year,
Speaker 1: you guys are saying, I just something about the way
Speaker 1: he runs. It's just doesn't seem fluid. What do you think,
Speaker 1: just from the standpoint of how he looks and how
Speaker 1: he moves. I think he looks good. I think he
Speaker 1: looks better. I don't know. You know, people throw that
Speaker 1: out there. I've heard it a million times, like he's
Speaker 1: back to Notre Dame form. I hesitate, like I want
Speaker 1: to see more in real setting before I believe that.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think if you try to read between
Speaker 1: the lines the way you know Cowboys officials talk, you know,
Speaker 1: I think they would trust Layton vander esh to do
Speaker 1: the coverage aspect of playing linebacker more than Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: right now. Oh that's a lot of the draft deal
Speaker 1: was one reason, because he's lanky and he moves well
Speaker 1: out there. I'm not I'm not sold that Jalen can
Speaker 1: do that part of the job at a high level.
Speaker 1: Yet he can do it, he did it last year,
Speaker 1: but would at a high high level, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I will say he looks great. He looks great moving
Speaker 1: toward the line of scrimmage. You know, I took a
Speaker 1: video the other day and actually, you know, people on
Speaker 1: Twitter pointed it out to me because I was trying
Speaker 1: to keep up with practice and wasn't really looking. Jalen
Speaker 1: filled this run perfectly. I mean, you know, Zeke finishes
Speaker 1: every run in the end zone like he always does.
Speaker 1: But Jalen was right there and the whole shifted over
Speaker 1: was waiting for him. Would have put a really nice
Speaker 1: hit on him if it had been a real practice.
Speaker 1: So in that regard, he looks awesome when he can
Speaker 1: just move downhill and use that athleticism. It's the stuff
Speaker 1: moving away from the line of scrimmage that I don't
Speaker 1: know about yet, but I'm I'm not betting against him.
Speaker 1: I just want to see more. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: I have a couple questions for you guys that that
Speaker 1: kind of will recap the first week of training camp,
Speaker 1: and I want to get you guys to answer this
Speaker 1: and kind of tell me what your thoughts are here. Also,
Speaker 1: for you guys out there listening, if you'd like to
Speaker 1: give us a question, you can call us. The number
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Speaker 1: your comments as the show progresses. So let's start with
Speaker 1: some of these questions. Um, who's emerging as your standout player?
Speaker 1: So far, we've had two padded practices in the very
Speaker 1: short term of what we've been able to see, who's
Speaker 1: kind of standing out as your your most uh your
Speaker 1: standout player for camp so far, when you got a
Speaker 1: g man, hold on, let me think about it. I
Speaker 1: got it. Then Nick abandoned us, So I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna steal his line and say Byron and Tyron, Byron
Speaker 1: and Tyn day rhyme arm Tyn. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: what you have in Tyron Smith. But it's I wrote
Speaker 1: this yesterday too, Like as much as we have fretted
Speaker 1: about his health, it's nice to see him out here, healthy,
Speaker 1: looking like the best tackle in football, which is exactly
Speaker 1: what he looked like yesterday. And then, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's it's just been two really nice practices for Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna win every single rep at cornerback,
Speaker 1: that's the name through the job. But he's made two
Speaker 1: really nice plays and had three or four other moments
Speaker 1: where like I said, he just looks he looks comfortable there,
Speaker 1: and maybe I shouldn't be surprised he played cornerback in college,
Speaker 1: but I am a little surprised. So it's it's nice
Speaker 1: to see him taking to it quickly. So those are
Speaker 1: my two, all right, Amber, I don't I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I talk about Charles Tapper and this is a one
Speaker 1: that people don't like hearing about him anymore. Tap, but Tapper,
Speaker 1: he is a guy that he does have talent. He
Speaker 1: has he has flexibility in his body, he has the
Speaker 1: ability to move. The problem is he hasn't been healthy
Speaker 1: enough and it's unfortunate. I mean, he has such a
Speaker 1: bad luck and he's always getting injury and that has
Speaker 1: prevented him from showcasing his talent. Now he's been making
Speaker 1: some moves out here and looking pretty good. So again,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get excited again. This was the
Speaker 1: same story last year, me getting excited about him and
Speaker 1: then this appointment again. But as of right now, I'm
Speaker 1: rooting for him and it's exciting a little bit to
Speaker 1: see him moving around the way he's doing it. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: you know one guy I'll throw out that I don't
Speaker 1: think we've talked a lot about on this show so far.
Speaker 1: It's Cole Beasley and he's been a guy that's I mean,
Speaker 1: we always knew that that Cole had you know, really
Speaker 1: good feet, He ran really good routes. But one thing
Speaker 1: I've been noticing, and I'll even extrapolate this out a
Speaker 1: little bit beyond just Cole um I think I think
Speaker 1: I've noticed so far that these receivers get a bit
Speaker 1: more separation than what we were seeing last year. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't, I don't want to
Speaker 1: blame that on cornerback player or whatever. It just looks
Speaker 1: like to me, they're much more precise in their routes
Speaker 1: because the separation they're getting it seems like they're getting
Speaker 1: it off their breaks. They come out of their breaks,
Speaker 1: they explode out of their breaks, and that gets them
Speaker 1: a little bit of separation for the quarterback to be
Speaker 1: able to get the ball there. I think I'm seeing
Speaker 1: that a lot with Cole and that's one of the
Speaker 1: things I think. If Cole Beasley is playing like that,
Speaker 1: I think he presents a really great target for the
Speaker 1: quarterback because he does have the ability because of his
Speaker 1: quickness to get in and out of breaks quickly and
Speaker 1: to be able to buy himself a little separation. But
Speaker 1: he's looked really good out here. This is gonna sound elementary,
Speaker 1: but you know, we talk about defenses. We're able to
Speaker 1: key on him and take him away. And there's got
Speaker 1: to be a way you can, you know, scheme for
Speaker 1: him to get a little more open and get better looks. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe just put him in more spots on the field.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I've never coached to offense at any
Speaker 1: level of football, but if a guy's only lining up
Speaker 1: in one place on the field every time, it seems
Speaker 1: like it's easier to scheme for him, So move him
Speaker 1: to more spots. Which, yeah, I don't think Scott Lenahan's
Speaker 1: gonna be sending Cole Beasley on go routes very often,
Speaker 1: but put him in more spots on the field makes
Speaker 1: him harder to defend. But that being said, he's been
Speaker 1: on the outside quite a bit out here, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I saw, Yeah, I know, I'm and I'm
Speaker 1: just glad clarifying that. Yeah, and even yesterday I saw
Speaker 1: him run a go route. Like they've used him a
Speaker 1: lot of different places, doing a lot of the I mean,
Speaker 1: they've sent Tavon down the field too, which I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see how that translates to games.
Speaker 1: But give him more to do, put him in more spots,
Speaker 1: put him on the field at the same time, give
Speaker 1: me my ten personnel. Yeah, and I think it will
Speaker 1: pay difference to your point about running. You know, one
Speaker 1: of the things that I've noticed a lot of the times,
Speaker 1: just a relationship between him and Dak, how connected they
Speaker 1: seem to be. That are times when Beasley's running a route,
Speaker 1: he's not even looking, and as soon as he turns
Speaker 1: around around, the ball is right there. So they know
Speaker 1: exactly where to be and where the ball is gonna
Speaker 1: be at. And Cole doesn't even have to keep his
Speaker 1: eye turned around. You know, he can run his route,
Speaker 1: run around, but turn around and catch the ball right away.
Speaker 1: He saw on that one on one where he beat Cheeto,
Speaker 1: he still started out on the outside. He still ended
Speaker 1: up back in the middle. That's where I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna still want to be. But last year they, I
Speaker 1: think teams figured out, Okay, this is how we can
Speaker 1: stop him like this. So now the counter is start
Speaker 1: him in different places. His bread and butter is still
Speaker 1: gonna be the middle, you know. That's and that's where
Speaker 1: you can find him, you know better. That's where Dak's
Speaker 1: gonna actually see him better. But I think that the
Speaker 1: starting points gonna be from different spots. All right, let's uh, Nick,
Speaker 1: we the question AD throw out to these guys and
Speaker 1: I'll give you an opportunity to answer as well. Was
Speaker 1: who's the player that's emerged as you're as your kind
Speaker 1: of star off camp so far through these first couple
Speaker 1: of days. Well, I mean, I just it's refreshing to
Speaker 1: see Tyrn but kind of back at that level. Well,
Speaker 1: hopefully he stays that way. He's he's one of their
Speaker 1: best players. Um, I mean him and Sean Lee and
Speaker 1: Zeke and all that. Um. I thought Dak has looked
Speaker 1: really good though. I mean, I think I'll just say
Speaker 1: it from that standpoint, I mean, I don't know who
Speaker 1: do you guys picked. Nobody had picked Dak, so that's
Speaker 1: a good one. I just think he I like. I
Speaker 1: like the the the offense that we're seeing that of him,
Speaker 1: intermediate throws but also deep slants, deep you know, deep
Speaker 1: outside down the field stuff too. And and and we
Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to the point where he's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to run the ball. And Zeke runs the ball,
Speaker 1: which opens things up even more. But just to the
Speaker 1: connection with him and the receivers, I thought it's been
Speaker 1: pretty good so far. All right, let's say, Hey, let's
Speaker 1: take a phone call real quick. We got a call
Speaker 1: from Al in Pennsylvania. Al. What up? Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 1: Just a quick question. Is there any chance that we
Speaker 1: might see uh, Rod Smith line up in a fullback
Speaker 1: position and get some carries out of that position, because
Speaker 1: I kind of missed us. If we're gonna be a
Speaker 1: full bore running team, I'd like to see the fullback
Speaker 1: get some carries. And I think he could carry the
Speaker 1: ball out there in all the wiley It's just that
Speaker 1: could Rod Smith block a little bit? All right? Thanks
Speaker 1: for the call? Yeah, I mean you could. You're running
Speaker 1: back always will carry the ball better than than you're fullback,
Speaker 1: but that's not really why he's out there, and that
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I think you might see some some
Speaker 1: things out of Rod Smith. Um. I'm tempted to say no,
Speaker 1: just because they tried to move him to fullback already
Speaker 1: and they didn't really take right uh And I get.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Rod is a running back and you
Speaker 1: would assume he's going to carry it better than all
Speaker 1: the wallet. But I'll about anybody ten dollars right now.
Speaker 1: They're gonna keep Jimmy's solo Wali on this team, so
Speaker 1: he's your full back slash h back. I am you
Speaker 1: know this is not really what you asked, But when
Speaker 1: you factor in that Tavon Austin will probably do some
Speaker 1: running back related things. I wonder if maybe they'll do
Speaker 1: a little bit more twenty one personnel than we're used to.
Speaker 1: I mean that's two two running backs, one tight end,
Speaker 1: three wide receivers or two wide receivers. I'm sorry, And
Speaker 1: you know, just the talent that you have at running
Speaker 1: back the fullback, plus you don't love your tight ends
Speaker 1: the way you used to that you would want to
Speaker 1: run twelve personnel with Jason Witten. I don't know, just
Speaker 1: an idea. I think maybe you might see more of
Speaker 1: that this year. Yeah, and I could even see a
Speaker 1: situation where they have a Loali lined up in the
Speaker 1: H back position. You mentioned him being H back. I
Speaker 1: could see him there, and it kind of gives the
Speaker 1: look of a twelve personnel although you have an extra
Speaker 1: basically an extra running back, but he's lined up outside
Speaker 1: your tackle versus being lined up in the backfield, and
Speaker 1: that gives him that twelve look without necessarily having a
Speaker 1: second tight end. We've talked about it on this show before,
Speaker 1: I would guess this team keeps three tight ends and
Speaker 1: Ola Wally's ability to do that type of stuff is
Speaker 1: why you don't need the extra body. I think Ola
Speaker 1: Wally is one of the more underrated or players on
Speaker 1: this offense, just guys that are going under the radar.
Speaker 1: I think his skill set is so unique. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be like Keith Smith at fullback. It's going
Speaker 1: to be a different type of fullback, but it's one
Speaker 1: like like you said, Dave, I don't think they'll need
Speaker 1: to go heavy at tight end because I think it's
Speaker 1: almost like three and a half tight ends, three tight
Speaker 1: ends and then and then him, which isn't good for
Speaker 1: those guys at the back end of tight end. But
Speaker 1: now I will bring this up though, as I'm watching
Speaker 1: these tight ends play there, it's ever been several times
Speaker 1: I've seen these guys get pushed around quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin, I think he's kind of light and uh
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have to get a lot stronger. I
Speaker 1: think it wouldn't be able to be a good blocking
Speaker 1: option for this I know. But but when I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you're watching it out there and maybe it's not
Speaker 1: size as much as his strength. But when you watch
Speaker 1: him out there, I've seen a couple of different instances
Speaker 1: where he's just kind of gotten moved as the defensive
Speaker 1: lineman wanted to move him. To go back to the
Speaker 1: first contact of training camp when they did podrills at
Speaker 1: the Charles Tapper just dumped Jarwin like, I mean, like
Speaker 1: a sack of laundry, right, pretty awesome. Yeah, And I've
Speaker 1: seen and here's the interesting thing. As big as Rico is,
Speaker 1: I've seen Rico get moved like that as well. And
Speaker 1: again that's about learning how to play with leverage and
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. I just don't think right now.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if they have great options at
Speaker 1: tight end when it comes to blocking, which again says
Speaker 1: why a guy's like Jam's is your best option right there?
Speaker 1: There will be another tight end from another team in there.
Speaker 1: You think, yeah, that wouldn't be shocking, and then almost
Speaker 1: happens every year, but just depends on what kind. But
Speaker 1: I my prediction is is that but before the start
Speaker 1: of the season, there will be a tight end that
Speaker 1: we've heard of, just some guy. If it's bounced around
Speaker 1: a little bit, there's a guy like, oh, they're bringing
Speaker 1: him in. Oh, okay, Fasano available. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: they're going back there now, you don't think they're going
Speaker 1: back there. Let's like a surprise. He's still in the
Speaker 1: league though. Yeah. It's pretty good around for a while.
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Speaker 1: We got about twenty minutes left on the show. Um,
Speaker 1: let's go through some more these questions that are kind
Speaker 1: of wrapping up this first week of training camp. We
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the emerging players. Give me
Speaker 1: a player that needs to step it up a bit,
Speaker 1: A guy that maybe you want to see more from
Speaker 1: that you really haven't seen enough of let's start with you,
Speaker 1: Dave put me on the spot. Why don't you I
Speaker 1: did correct? Like I really don't know. Um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sound like a homer for a second, Like I actually
Speaker 1: you know. We did raining camp live me and Brian
Speaker 1: yesterday during the tail end of practice, and the point
Speaker 1: I kept trying to make was Okay, not everybody's perfect.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna have bad reps. Michael Gallup had
Speaker 1: a bad day yesterday. He had some drops, but like
Speaker 1: it really seems like everybody at this camp is putting
Speaker 1: their best foot forward in these first few practices, Like
Speaker 1: the dbs have made some good plays. Cheeto had a
Speaker 1: great knock away. We talked plenty about Byron Dak has
Speaker 1: made some great throws. He's thrown some picks, not some picks.
Speaker 1: He threw one pick. Beasley's had a good day. But
Speaker 1: for the most like, I haven't noticed anybody who just
Speaker 1: is sucking. Like it seems like everybody really came to play.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's disappointing for Chads Green if his injury
Speaker 1: is serious. Just what we know about him that ain't great.
Speaker 1: And you'd love to see these young receivers. Noah Brown
Speaker 1: has been my pet cats since he got drafted. So
Speaker 1: I'm bummed that he's not practicing, but nobody really comes
Speaker 1: to mind that's just dogging it as of yet at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you said who needs to step it up?
Speaker 1: I think if you just ask the person, ask the
Speaker 1: player that you know, most of them will say, well,
Speaker 1: we all do. But I'll say, um, Tyrone Crawford because
Speaker 1: of what that needs to happen for that entire group,
Speaker 1: and and good luck. I mean, he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: go up against he's going against Tyron, but if he
Speaker 1: can win, he's got to win one. He's got to
Speaker 1: win a couple win and then that'll help the other
Speaker 1: guys as well. He's got to set the tone. He
Speaker 1: wants to be the leader of that group. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to do it. Yeah, It's it's not easy. And
Speaker 1: then whoever's going up against Travis Frederick is not easy.
Speaker 1: It's not easy against that mark. It's not easy to
Speaker 1: continuing those guys because the one thing about Connor Williams
Speaker 1: and Lyle Collins is that they're not maybe as talented,
Speaker 1: but they're nasty. I mean they got I mean, Connor
Speaker 1: Williams is gonna lead the lead the offensive line and penalties. Um,
Speaker 1: I think just because he's just that nasty attitude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, which is which is good. But he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to win. He's have to set the tone. I
Speaker 1: think the rest will help. So it's not an easy thing.
Speaker 1: But I think Tyrone Crawford it will go a long
Speaker 1: way if he can step up. Man. I mean this
Speaker 1: has been pretty balanced right now. All of these guys
Speaker 1: have had good moments and then not so good moments.
Speaker 1: But one that I would say, or that I would
Speaker 1: have said if the situation would have been different, would
Speaker 1: be his name, Just Rico. I don't know how his
Speaker 1: name just disappeared from my mind right now, but Rico
Speaker 1: is the guy that I have criticized, and you know
Speaker 1: that he's not necessarily as fast or as athletic in
Speaker 1: the game as the other tight ends. But right now,
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll make those catches and I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I see it. But at the same time, it is
Speaker 1: that good enough to keep him here? How long will
Speaker 1: that project keep happening for does it make the team?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see. I'll throw out another name
Speaker 1: and it's actually for a little different reason. When we
Speaker 1: came in into camp, Nick, I know you were talking
Speaker 1: a little bit about how your expectation is that Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis would overtake Byron Jones as a starter. We've already
Speaker 1: talked about. I thought that's what I said. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if I'm mis characterized, I'm sorry, okay. But and I
Speaker 1: the reason why I say that because I kind of
Speaker 1: believe the same thing. I thought by the end of
Speaker 1: this camp he would be your starter, or at least
Speaker 1: by you get a couple weeks into the season, he
Speaker 1: would be your starter. The one thing I will say, though,
Speaker 1: is because Byron has looked so good here at the
Speaker 1: beginning of camp. If Jordan is gonna make that step,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to make some bigger plays out here
Speaker 1: than what than what Byron's making. And so I think
Speaker 1: you're looking at the wrong cornerback You think Cheeto would
Speaker 1: not be the starter? No, who you in this day
Speaker 1: and age your slot corns. Yeah, if Jordan's gonna crack it,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a b that he beats.
Speaker 1: Let's hold on just a second, one, Let's make sure
Speaker 1: that the whole panel's not just jumping on the thirty one.
Speaker 1: I can here because the same thing was said to
Speaker 1: last year. He had a great camp last year and
Speaker 1: then he got moved from his position because it just
Speaker 1: wasn't good. So he's a good practice player. I mean
Speaker 1: he is, and he's long and and and these wide
Speaker 1: receivers there's some question marks about them, and we knew
Speaker 1: this going in that whoever had the upper hand. It
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean he's ready for Julio Jones right now
Speaker 1: just because of he's doing well against these guys. He
Speaker 1: was beaten by Lance Lenora. That ball is a little
Speaker 1: bit out there differently, and now when we're probably talking
Speaker 1: about completely different guy. All right, so let's just see.
Speaker 1: I think he looks the part, he's long and all that,
Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna have issues, and he had
Speaker 1: a great training camp last year too. Absolutely, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's on the football but next year, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. I don't think he's this is
Speaker 1: a contract here. I don't think he's on the team
Speaker 1: next year. But I think the point is what he
Speaker 1: does out here is going to determine who's gonna be
Speaker 1: starting when we get to the season and yes, he'll
Speaker 1: have to play through the season and see how that
Speaker 1: all goes one way or another. I just think Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis is gonna to the to the front with Cheetah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I completely if I had to bet money
Speaker 1: on it. I don't think Byron Jones is here next
Speaker 1: year either. But we knew that about Brandon Carr, and
Speaker 1: he still held a starting job for sixteen years, no
Speaker 1: doubt you right, he wasn't being coached by Chris Richard.
Speaker 1: That's something that's you're right, Nick, Nick made me think too,
Speaker 1: and and it's Daytone Jones and and Jihad Ward have
Speaker 1: been fine, but that's defensive tackle troubles me any I mean,
Speaker 1: David Irving is m ia and even when MALIEK Collins
Speaker 1: gets out here, you know how that goes easing back
Speaker 1: in after injury. Uh Tyrone Crawford was talking about maybe
Speaker 1: having to play some tackle when the season gets here,
Speaker 1: which like he's about twenty thirty pounds too light. So
Speaker 1: somebody in that position group, it would be great if
Speaker 1: they could step up and assert themselves and make the
Speaker 1: coaches and me feel better about Like to see Elie
Speaker 1: slide in there, that would be nice. You know, I'd
Speaker 1: be down with that. That's one guy that I've been
Speaker 1: watching out here that that kind of hasn't it's kind
Speaker 1: of been a little bit of a mixed bag. But
Speaker 1: he has impressed me with the speed of how fat
Speaker 1: he gets off the ball, Like that's a guy can move.
Speaker 1: He can really move, And so I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: more of him and see how that all plays out
Speaker 1: throughout the training camp. Now, of course he's lining up
Speaker 1: on that side with Tyren, So yeah, if he's if
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing with the getting first team reps,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have some difficulty trying to get around Tyrn.
Speaker 1: But he looks all and although he does have some speed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he looks like he could play one tech
Speaker 1: mak big Yeah. Yeah. But that's also why I think
Speaker 1: it's so remarkable how quick he is getting off the ball,
Speaker 1: because he's a big dude. Move that quick. He's really
Speaker 1: a big dude. All Right, let's tack the next question.
Speaker 1: The next question is do you think, um that Cameron
Speaker 1: Fleming is solid enough to protect Dallas if Tyron should
Speaker 1: go down? And I know, again we're all all of
Speaker 1: this is based upon two days of padded practices. But
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of talk about it, and
Speaker 1: let's see what you're thinking so far about Cameron Fleming.
Speaker 1: Liked him. I thought he's he's done well. You know,
Speaker 1: I have this weird thing when I see numbers, I
Speaker 1: always just go back like five years for some reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just like, oh, darn, Darien Weems
Speaker 1: is out there playing. I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 1: why I do that with him. I pride myself on
Speaker 1: my memory, and I washed Darien Weems out of my mind.
Speaker 1: It's probably well. I mean when I see Italy at
Speaker 1: seventy six, I think it's Ash and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: who's ninety three? Is that Anthony Spencer? I mean, I
Speaker 1: gotta mark Quez White. To me, I just keep thinking
Speaker 1: Brandon bar So, I gotta do better. But I think
Speaker 1: seventy five is Fleming and he does. He does a
Speaker 1: nice job. And this is the reason why he's here
Speaker 1: is because one game last year and one injury. It
Speaker 1: was more than one injury, but but that one particular
Speaker 1: injury really affected the entire game, and I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to make sure that that doesn't happen again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a drop off. It has to be
Speaker 1: a drop off. But you know, Philadelphia made at work
Speaker 1: when their left tackle went down. I don't think you're
Speaker 1: gonna confuse Fleming with Tyrone, but he looks pretty solid
Speaker 1: out there. And I love whoever's idea it was, Whether
Speaker 1: it was Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett, Paul Alexander, or Tyron himself,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I love the idea to rotate reps.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, you know, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: strict rotation is, but it looks like Tyrone will get
Speaker 1: two reps and then they'll put Cam in, get him
Speaker 1: some time with that first team. Oh keep Tyrone. Crawford's
Speaker 1: idea keeps Tying limits the strain on him. Get Cam.
Speaker 1: Not only do you just get him reps, but you
Speaker 1: get him in there with that first team line. I
Speaker 1: think that's a great idea. They learned from their mistakes
Speaker 1: last year, you know, knowing already knowing that Tyrone was
Speaker 1: bound to certain injuries, and they didn't necessarily, you know,
Speaker 1: enforced that backup position or gave someone the opportunity to
Speaker 1: get those reps and in case he did go down.
Speaker 1: So this year they're doing it differently and and it
Speaker 1: feels you you feel more comfortable going into the season.
Speaker 1: We don't know what that's gonna look like, but there's
Speaker 1: more comfort, comfortness, And they're perfectly said, you know you can't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Nick, you can't predict what it's gonna be
Speaker 1: like during Maybe it all falls apart, but they are
Speaker 1: they are trying. You can't blame them for lack of
Speaker 1: effort linebacker and tackle. There's something kind of refreshing about
Speaker 1: the part that everybody sort of knows they should, you know,
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff, and it's if it doesn't go
Speaker 1: the way they want it to go, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is probably going to be it. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has to note that now, and that doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what Jerry says up there, but of course he
Speaker 1: has to say that. With Jason right here. This is
Speaker 1: not necessarily a super Bowl or Boss or playoffs or
Speaker 1: Boss or whatever. But I think we feel that way
Speaker 1: and they should, you know, coaches should feel that way.
Speaker 1: So there's when he goes back to the left tackle.
Speaker 1: We don't have to play Chaz Green because of the
Speaker 1: he was drafted in the politics all that you play
Speaker 1: the guy that's going to win. It doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: anymore about you're doing this or that, or we need
Speaker 1: to kind of see him for no, because what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do if you play these young guys, you're gonna
Speaker 1: prepare him for the next guy. You need to win.
Speaker 1: You need to win now everyone knows that. So I
Speaker 1: think there's something refreshing about that we're gonna see the
Speaker 1: guys that are going to help this team win. There's
Speaker 1: for no other reason than to help the team win,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't always happen that way. Let's get to
Speaker 1: the final question. The final question is what are the
Speaker 1: pass rushers outside of DeMarcus Lawrence have piqued your interest?
Speaker 1: And we've talked about the offensive line being so dominant,
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to find a lot of success
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of those pass rushers. But give me
Speaker 1: just one guy maybe that's piqued your interests. Maybe you've
Speaker 1: seen just this one moment from him that said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I think I want to see more of him. Give
Speaker 1: me one guy. I'm riding and dying with my guy. Honestly,
Speaker 1: he's looked fine. He's I mean, he got his butt
Speaker 1: kicked a couple of times yesterday got in a fight
Speaker 1: lost to Lyle Collins. I like the I like the
Speaker 1: way Taco Charlton is going about his business out here,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, he's not just kicking everybody's ass, but
Speaker 1: he's confident. He's bulked up and like I mean, it's
Speaker 1: very noticeable, like he got ready for his second season.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. He's stuck to Demarcus's hip,
Speaker 1: like glue. You know, hey, learned from the best guy
Speaker 1: on the team. Why the hell not um? And and
Speaker 1: he's had some wins. I mean, like I just said,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he got batted around a little
Speaker 1: bit yesterday, but he he looks competent and comfortable, and
Speaker 1: you know, I just I like what he's about. I
Speaker 1: feel good that he's gonna trend upward. Okay, amber Um.
Speaker 1: He has to be tackle out of the group just
Speaker 1: because of the progress he has made. I spoke about
Speaker 1: Charles Stafford, but am I there yet to go to
Speaker 1: jump in and go with him? Not really, So I
Speaker 1: mean right now, the most progress I've seen would be
Speaker 1: from tackle. And as far as Tyrone, we know how
Speaker 1: he's been and you know he's a good player and
Speaker 1: he does what he needs to do. But uh, progress
Speaker 1: wise tackle you know, I right now, where Dorins Armstrong
Speaker 1: is is that he's gonna go up against the backup
Speaker 1: left tackles, the backup guys, the Bryce Johnson, Jacob Campos,
Speaker 1: all that, and he's doing pretty well against them. Uh,
Speaker 1: he had some some moments, but but he he's got
Speaker 1: that pure athleticism that that's why they drafted him where
Speaker 1: they did. And so he's going to get to the
Speaker 1: point where, Okay, this is good and then good job.
Speaker 1: Now you got to go up against the Flemings and
Speaker 1: then maybe at some point Tyrant. So I want to
Speaker 1: see Armstrong get to the point where now he's going
Speaker 1: to go up against guys that we think are really
Speaker 1: NFL caliber guys. Armstrong gotta I want to say it
Speaker 1: was compete. I think he did two reps against cam
Speaker 1: and they split. But he, I mean, he he has
Speaker 1: looked good too. I hesitate to just dump a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of expectation on a fourth round pick, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't look out of place. He's at least piquing your
Speaker 1: interest some of the opportunities in Yeah, and if you
Speaker 1: want a one hundred percent certainty on something going to happen,
Speaker 1: and fans, it's funny what the fans seem to care
Speaker 1: about and tweet about. Laurance Armstrong will be wearing a
Speaker 1: different number when the season starts. One hundred percent that
Speaker 1: is going to happen, So don't worry about it. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly why they did what they did
Speaker 1: to put him at seventy four. He's not going to
Speaker 1: stay there. Bob Lilly's number will continue to not be worn.
Speaker 1: In all honesty, though there aren't There aren't a whole
Speaker 1: lot of options. I think he wears n They will
Speaker 1: have some by the time of season gets here. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I think he out to wear ninety three. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Richard Ashe will make the team. Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: loves him, a trash can full of dirt type of guy,
Speaker 1: though I don't know. I don't think ash or Price
Speaker 1: will both make the team. Now ninety three, uh, which
Speaker 1: for good years in Cowboys history. I also think there'll
Speaker 1: be one of the numbers that arm Strong. All right,
Speaker 1: real quickly, we'll get a call to end the show
Speaker 1: from Ernest in Houston. Ernest, what up? Ernest? Are there? Yeah? Ernie, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: My question is, um, I think Nick was hitting on
Speaker 1: it has to do with Connor Williams and um, if
Speaker 1: you're seeing that he's nasty and so forth. My concern
Speaker 1: was as a rookie, he's not going to be as
Speaker 1: strong as as he He will be here in a
Speaker 1: couple of years. But how does he work against those
Speaker 1: interior defensive linemen from Philly and New York, especially twice
Speaker 1: a year and they don't have to meet up with
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox and Max Harrison and those kind of guys
Speaker 1: and one on one and how do they how do
Speaker 1: they work with him to help him out? All right,
Speaker 1: all right, thanks for the call. You know, well, the
Speaker 1: nastiness is a good thing. He's going to get better
Speaker 1: at technique. He's going to get stronger. Right now, you're
Speaker 1: just fighting, you're just battling, you're scrapping him. He's got
Speaker 1: that in him. Not everyone, not everyone can do that.
Speaker 1: I think that is going to help him. It's going
Speaker 1: to carry him as he gets better. He guess he's
Speaker 1: got two all pros left and right. That's good for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. You know, that will help him
Speaker 1: as well. But but the fact that we talked about
Speaker 1: the other day about the Dennis Rodman being a good
Speaker 1: rebounder because he wanted it more. If you've got that ability,
Speaker 1: I think that's going to kill are you a little bit? Now.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you're gonna beat Fletcher Cox just because you
Speaker 1: you're you're mean, but but I mean you, you've got
Speaker 1: to be able to kind of hold your own, and
Speaker 1: I think he'll do that. And the other thing I'll
Speaker 1: point out about that is, yes, he's he's gonna have
Speaker 1: those two pro bowlers on either side of him. The
Speaker 1: great part about it right now is we're getting to
Speaker 1: see him in one on one drills where you don't
Speaker 1: have that guy beside you, and he's definitely holding his own.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. So now you put him
Speaker 1: up against the Fletcher Cox and he has those all
Speaker 1: pros there with him, they'll be able to help him
Speaker 1: out a little bit. Yeah, but I feel good about
Speaker 1: where he is right now. That was not what I
Speaker 1: was expecting to see in the first two days of
Speaker 1: padded practices from the rookie, and I would argue he's
Speaker 1: been surprisingly strong for a rookie, But the d tackles
Speaker 1: on this team are not Fletcher Cox absolutely and he's
Speaker 1: gonna get his butt kicked. He will. Travis Frederick happened
Speaker 1: to Travis. It happens. You got tiring and Travis there
Speaker 1: to help you out. I'm not I'm not over there.
Speaker 1: Week two it was was it his rookie year, Dontari Poe.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't hear you. What was that? Dotarry Poe?
Speaker 1: I think threw him around on Oh yeah, first year? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: oh badly. So it's gonna happen. But I just say
Speaker 1: I think for right now, for where he is, first
Speaker 1: two days of padded practices, it's been a good showing
Speaker 1: for him. It's been a really good showing. We appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys joined us. We're back tomorrow. Amber will be
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