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Speaker 1: Gainst the chronic goals. This is not your average shows.

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Speaker 1: Hey, so.

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Speaker 2: I was explained like I was telling you eight I

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Speaker 2: was telling them, and probably be easier for him to

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Speaker 2: go to your master and clear from there because with

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Speaker 2: the simple and ship then get real tricky, man. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's what we had to wrap in our

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Speaker 2: days because as these kids make versions of songs that

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Speaker 2: they might have grew up on from the nineties and

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Speaker 2: the two thousands, them songs sometimes come from somewhere else,

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Speaker 2: Definitely get tricky as a mother for them. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: had my partner Man from soul Beat TV, come down.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever do soul Beat TV back in the day? Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure up in the Bay Yeah, up in

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Speaker 2: the Bay Area for sure.

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Speaker 1: Then if you an't remember, right, I gotta refresh your memory.

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Speaker 2: Man. In nineteen ninety six. I interviewed you for a

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Speaker 2: few minutes when he was on your run with death threat. Okay,

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Speaker 2: for sure, I definitely look that. Yeah, yeah, you pull

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Speaker 2: it up and pull it up to the East Mynt

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Speaker 2: Mall in East Oakland night. Then the first shout out

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Speaker 2: to an old school, another Oakland tradition.

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Speaker 1: It's t wy oozis was our our Yes, indeed, wait,

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Speaker 1: what's the name of that find a long Beach, said Snoop.

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Speaker 2: I got great, so yeah, it's similar to what our

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Speaker 2: tradition is with with Tys. Definitely, yeah, yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: what the bay is like one of the last LA

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Speaker 2: used to have. And when I tell people that LA

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Speaker 2: is not black no more, they look at me like

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Speaker 2: I'm crazy. And what I mean is LA used to

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Speaker 2: have a really black presence, like black record stores. Remember

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Speaker 2: the record stores and stuff a liquor stores are grown

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Speaker 2: by black people. I said, you had sold food restaurants everywhere.

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Speaker 2: El said, It's just.

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Speaker 1: Not like that anymore. Now.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say the game changed a lot

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Speaker 2: in all of black communities out here California, keeping the Honted.

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Speaker 2: You know, at the beginning, it was all black on

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Speaker 2: everything that we had going on. In our cities. Feel

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Speaker 2: me that eventually gifation happy people started moving out, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Shout out to the Latino community.

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Speaker 1: They came on for so you know, things shanged.

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Speaker 3: F Yeah, I could definitely remember growing ups in content

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Speaker 3: and uh, it's seeming to be more mom and tops.

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Speaker 3: Black related associated a style, whether it's burger stands or

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Speaker 3: record stores or ice cream parlors or whatever. You know,

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Speaker 3: there was a significance of black ownership barbecue places, you

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Speaker 3: know like that. And like you said with I don't

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Speaker 3: know if it is. I don't know if it's because

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Speaker 3: of the generational the generations that have been established throughout

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Speaker 3: and people I don't know, you know, because I never

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Speaker 3: thought as a kid that I would be another place

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Speaker 3: you feel me, But thus came along that generation who

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Speaker 3: felt like I need to relocate for whatever reasons. It

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Speaker 3: may have been relocation from getting out of prison. Mama's

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Speaker 3: feeling like, you know, the streets is becoming a little

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Speaker 3: too rough. We need to move about, motherfucking you know,

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Speaker 3: places of where you grew up or lived, where grandma

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Speaker 3: places were getting uh, you know, we're getting bulldozed over

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Speaker 3: and reconstructed and uh, us we're giving people the ultimatum

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Speaker 3: of uh of either relocate or lose your motherfucking place

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Speaker 3: of residency.

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Speaker 1: So you know, that's what changed the dynamic.

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Speaker 3: And just like you said, no, no disrespect to my my,

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Speaker 3: my Latino people, some of those situations were established, and thus,

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Speaker 3: you know, you got one. You know, it's just like

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Speaker 3: when when the white people lived in Camp back in

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Speaker 3: the days and back in the.

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Speaker 1: Day, and the black people.

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Speaker 3: Were giving the opportunity to come in and buy homes,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and what do they do. You know,

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Speaker 3: like they say that that that that fright flight. You know,

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Speaker 3: they got about it there, and like you said, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, it was the same, It wasn't the same

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Speaker 2: situation as Thus, you know, motherfucker just feeling like shit,

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Speaker 2: I need to get out of Content or I need

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Speaker 2: to get out of Oakland, or I need to get

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Speaker 2: out of Long Beach or whatever, because from what I've

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Speaker 2: seen since you know, my mom's been here since the

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Speaker 2: sixties or seventies, you know, never felt that she could

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Speaker 2: have the opportunity to relocate. Let's just say some people

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Speaker 2: didn't want to, you know, but yeah, some people don't

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Speaker 2: want to leave. You have some people who you know

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Speaker 2: reside in the city and people who are proud of

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Speaker 2: that heritage of growing up in Compton, and you know,

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Speaker 2: ownership of homes and you know, I know a few people,

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Speaker 2: you know, mothers and fathers and grandfathers still own property

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Speaker 2: and live in content and you know, to a few

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Speaker 2: neighborhoods where you know, black people are still significant on

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Speaker 2: their block, you know, as far as but again, you know,

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Speaker 2: thus when you get those opportunities to relocate, you know,

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Speaker 2: some motherfucker is left and that just gave the opportunities

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Speaker 2: for our our homies to move in and they start

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Speaker 2: establishing the eraor you know, their businesses and their mother

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Speaker 2: fucking establishments and all of that. So now when you

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Speaker 2: look up and you grow go through the city, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it may be you know, shit eighty percent of shit

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Speaker 2: is is is changed.

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Speaker 1: You feel, tell here, wat's this.

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Speaker 2: We either get gentrified out, well we quote unquote gentrify

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Speaker 2: ourselves out because I'm gonna keep it a hundred.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's just give an example. Pipes might have owned

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Speaker 1: the barber shop.

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Speaker 2: Your pipesmightter owned the biber shop and catching forty five

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Speaker 2: years when he got older, too old to run the shop.

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Speaker 1: Was like, man, hey, we're gonna start cutting his hell

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Speaker 1: what's up? Hey? By hell?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm about to be a weapon. So I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna become apart. It's stay in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to ever take the family legacy something else.

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Speaker 2: So keep a real quote unquote recipeace nipsey hustle. I

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Speaker 2: did my own version of a nick you hustle where

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Speaker 2: I moved out of a neighborhood on the bed ach.

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Speaker 2: But it's us Brady park on a little short and

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Speaker 2: so on a little short or somebody watch you through there.

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Speaker 2: But this is which it's a real notatory. It is

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Speaker 2: fine to tell that's good. Exactly watched this he wasn't

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Speaker 2: even it had a few projects, but most of it

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Speaker 2: it was all homes. So it was it was it

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Speaker 2: was niggas who had playing both carricks, who was just

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Speaker 2: going outside crying, you know what I'm saying. And so

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Speaker 2: we had a family neighborhood like everybody knew everybody this

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Speaker 2: is such and such can check you miss tea such

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Speaker 2: and such around the corner and somebody else Mama, she

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Speaker 2: can call your mama, and he's gonna have problems. The

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Speaker 2: point was is that when your neighborhoods got cramped infested,

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Speaker 2: that's when it was too dangerous. Miles might have went

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Speaker 2: to take it to the other side of the town.

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Speaker 2: But long story, shorter man and keep the real. I

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Speaker 2: had a legacy. My gradparents owned the plopper fifty years

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Speaker 2: of spraining plug and it was on me and my

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Speaker 2: five years ago were selling we do we keep it?

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Speaker 2: You know, keep real. I put my five years into it.

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Speaker 2: We didn't ekept it every since. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But it's just that you ain't getting the gang.

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Speaker 2: Some people believe that when it's time to leave, it's

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Speaker 2: time to leave, versus I want to preserve what we

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Speaker 2: have and then be able to go wherever I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go still keep it with me at some ownership. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what they did in Cleveland, And

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Speaker 2: they did this a lot of places on the Cleveland

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Speaker 2: Clintic put pretty much gangs to the whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: black families out of their own right. Because what happened

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Speaker 2: was like on the East Side, and you've been in

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Speaker 2: Cleveland a lot. I was raised, like in between Superior

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Speaker 2: Avenue and Saint Clair, right, they Ralph under five and

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Speaker 2: everything as far back as I remember, was always black

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Speaker 2: owned our groceries, throw is black owned our liquor store,

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Speaker 2: barbershop and all. It was a black faces in the

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Speaker 2: collar or Puerto Rican people because it ain't like you know,

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Speaker 2: shout out to the Latino people like on the eighth said.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: But what they did was, man, they did a real grimy.

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Speaker 2: They were either coming around trying to offer people real

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Speaker 2: low prices for their houses, like because they know a

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Speaker 2: lot of them. People bought them houses back in the

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Speaker 2: seventies for fifteen twenty thousand dollars ten thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: certain cases and fix them up and move their families

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Speaker 2: in them. Right, that's when they had the jobs to

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Speaker 2: steal meals and auto plants and stuff like that. And

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Speaker 2: what happened was when crack hit, it kind of really

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Speaker 2: tore the community up, man, because I remember kids used

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Speaker 2: to be outside jumping rope, you know, hopscotch.

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Speaker 1: And and stuff. Man, homies out there.

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Speaker 2: I used to play football, you know street light the

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Speaker 2: street I remember used to go street like the street.

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Speaker 1: Light playing football all night. Yep.

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Speaker 2: That got replaced by man. You see, the hummy pull

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Speaker 2: up one day. Man, he's driving the dukes in the

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Speaker 2: corner of this dude fourteen years old. You'd be like, man,

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Speaker 2: whose cars you win?

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Speaker 1: This mine?

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Speaker 2: He got a pocket full of money? You asking him

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Speaker 2: how he do it? He putting you on twenty five

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You see this, you get

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Speaker 1: twenty five off every hundred that you make. Right. But

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Speaker 1: that was the thing.

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Speaker 2: So what we're doing at that time, whether we knew

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Speaker 2: it or not, was knocking down the property value.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like all.

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Speaker 2: This shit was strategic, man, because when they took my house,

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Speaker 2: I was raised in Man. My mama and Daddy Man

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Speaker 2: built that house pretty much in the ground up. When

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Speaker 2: they first bought that house, I remember, I was like,

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Speaker 2: how we go live? And there was a big hole

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Speaker 2: in the front forest dog it was wolls knocked down.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: My pops and the fewest homeboys put that motherfucker together

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Speaker 2: and put a drop remember the drop ceilings, Dad and

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Speaker 2: hid child in them and put that in there. Man

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Speaker 2: in the in the wall, fake wood walls and ship

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Speaker 2: man and they did all that. But that was our home.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, That we got we was

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Speaker 2: raising at me and my brothers. My mama told me

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Speaker 2: when I asked her what happened with crib, she said,

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Speaker 2: they said that we owe taxes. They took our house

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Speaker 2: man over like three hundred dollars in taxes. Doog the

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Speaker 2: Cleveland clinics, they did everybody ship like that if you

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Speaker 2: didn't know, because my mama moved up the hills and

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Speaker 2: when her my stepdad got divorced, he even gave the

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Speaker 2: house her. She wasn't tripping off of that. She bought

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Speaker 2: something else somewhere else, so they killed her. They send

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Speaker 2: the letters to the house that they don't know nobody

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Speaker 2: live here, right and after so much time, nigga just

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Speaker 2: come take the house from you, bro, you can't do

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Speaker 2: nothing about it. They did a whole people like that man.

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Speaker 2: And watch this fearious farris in uh in uh poison.

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Speaker 2: The hood told us about this before that fris Lime

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Speaker 2: and when he stood out of the yes was giving

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Speaker 3: Maybe buy me two of them upfuckers. And that's that's

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Speaker 1: Education no better. We didn't we weren't. You get me,

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Speaker 3: They survived with South Central shit. And you get meal

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Speaker 3: Niggas you're talking about eighteen nineteen years old nigga. I'm like, shit,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't mentally set as a grown man to be

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Speaker 1: You get me. That was my fucking street knowledge. You

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Speaker 2: Was probably one of the first in y'all, both of

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Speaker 3: Don't want to say it was a curse because I've

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Speaker 3: know all that. But again, the family structure was different

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Speaker 1: I don't you get me.

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Speaker 3: When I went back down the reunions, you know, it

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Speaker 2: I'm getting good grades. But still I'm seeing is influencing

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Speaker 1: Than you know men you should get you a job.

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Speaker 3: And they be investing some property and become a woopy walk.

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Speaker 1: No, I was seeing niggas hustling, pull up.

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Speaker 3: And then niggas ain't getting that ship from going to

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Speaker 2: When we get that to your bill, when you said

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Speaker 1: You let me talking about somebody saying the bros down

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Speaker 2: Most of my family had property when I went down

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Speaker 2: You know had rap music, I had football or right,

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Speaker 2: You sign up for it. Next thing, you know, you

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Speaker 2: Or you're gonna pay the minimum on that shit every month?

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Speaker 2: I think back, you know it's ten dollars a month minimum.

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Speaker 2: own like It's like now I own the condo, right

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Speaker 2: own the townhouse. Theoretically, man, I'm not whoever own this land.

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Speaker 2: I can sell list or whatever, but I'm always have

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Speaker 2: of a game, right, And you got to pick your voice.

435
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: And that's why when you talk about our people down south,

436
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: mean you talked about that yesterday. They always wanted to

437
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: pict brothers down south was being slow. But some of

438
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: the most astute people I know with Southern people facts,

439
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 2: thinking about the uncles and the aunt as we got

440
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: down south, all of that broke. All of them went

441
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: down south, they all gamed up.

442
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: But in they all way.

443
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we would say out here at Cali, getting it

444
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: from a different way, because keep it real. The cost

445
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: of living is crazy a call, so we had to

446
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: learn and hustle at a whole other level versus the

447
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: laid back, kickback element of the South. And like I saying, Man,

448
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: this salute to this as our you know, first project

449
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: that we're talking about, you know, home ownership and in

450
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: the level where you know, financial stability.

451
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: To our culture. You know what I mean. We could

452
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: have definitely.

453
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: Spent his time talking about all kinds of hip hop ship,

454
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: but we did the same time really building on the

455
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: ship that our culture needs to hear.

456
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: So, like I said, I'm ford to keep doing this

457
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: with y'all. He's just a.

458
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: Warm up to the player moment. Yeah, man, you know

459
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 2: the thing he was. Man, One thing I don't want

460
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: to do is ever talk bad about hip hop broke

461
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: because it did a lot of good. Hip hop did

462
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: a lot of good for our community too. You feel

463
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It had people hope, new hope right

464
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: outside the cracks, outside of athletics and stuff like that. Man,

465
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: I think what it was, man, I think all black people. Man,

466
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: we got motivated based off what we saw. If we

467
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: saw the homie outside man that had dukes and the quartermen.

468
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: And he was laid back, had jewry o.

469
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: Man. We had dudes in the neighborhoods that look like superstars.

470
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: I know if we had that in Cleveland, off for shore,

471
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: Compton has some shit. Not No, Oakland had to have

472
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 2: some ball as dudes up there, man, But y'all have

473
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 2: a Felix Mick with all them dudes brought millions. There

474
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: was millionaires at eighteen twenty years old in the in

475
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: the eighties, in the.

476
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: Nineties, and that's what I'm saying, millionaires for real. You

477
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: didn't want to straw family structure. And you know your

478
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: moms was a single moms in you was living there,

479
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 3: and you know situations that would choose you to, you know,

480
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 3: take that road you saw it playing this.

481
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: Like I said, the difference of probably being in Campton

482
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: and being in.

483
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: Gulfport, Mississippi, is you still got a lot of family

484
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: structure going on.

485
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: You're getting in counting shit, nigga.

486
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: My Maa's was a single parent having to go to

487
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: work and see like a motherfucking you know what I'm saying. Still,

488
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: it's like you jumping on the butt right.

489
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: You're coming from Cletan and the nigga dropped you in

490
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: in motherfucking Hollywood, nigga for the first time, and you

491
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: seeing stars and you seeing the nightlife, and just like

492
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: you saying, nigga dropped you off in Long Beach, California.

493
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: And Nigga, you walk to a community college to play.

494
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: Football, and still your motherfucking mind set was you get that.

495
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 4: That's the old. That's the old. That's the old. That's

496
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 4: what you have to overcome.

497
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: As so far as me growing up in Gulf Court, Mississippi,

498
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: and my grandfather working getting up every morning, he got

499
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: a farm, and my cousins is working and they doing this,

500
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: and and my cousins is going to school and they

501
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: getting good grades. And my aunt till your ass or

502
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: my uncle whooped your ass getting trouble and you better

503
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: not be you.

504
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: Know, cops smoking no weed or no shit, got it?

505
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: You know it?

506
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: Not just staying that ship is the but it was different.

507
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: You get rules from mos Graves on that ship. But

508
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: still when you living and didn't count.

509
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: Then and you got to go to work for eleven

510
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: at nine to seven in the morning, and then you

511
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: got a mother's fucking young son and a young daughter

512
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: and then niggas outside and shooting you going to school,

513
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: niggas is getting jumped and they gang and seeing niggas

514
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: down the street hustling, pulling up in fancy.

515
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: Cars, and they don't have nobody telling me you better

516
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: not go down the street hang with them niggas. You

517
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: get me, don't have no auntie living two doors down,

518
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: and then the other four doors down from that, and

519
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 3: then my grandmama living around the corner looking out the.

520
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: House, like, nigga, what the fuck you call?

521
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: You might get more fucking ass back home, and where

522
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: you think you're finna go around the corner with.

523
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: Them, gluelands is hanging at you get me. That's that real,

524
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: that that structure.

525
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: And we might have had that growing up as young kids,

526
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, if I got caught ditching,

527
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 2: you know, the neighbors would tell my moms or whatever.

528
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: But that shit started to deplete you getting the crack

529
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: there fifteen six weeks old. I don't give a fuck

530
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: what you're saying, nigga. And by this I'm more influenced

531
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: by what I see down the street.

532
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Than remembering those values that.

533
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: Was talked to my mom that she tried to you though, nigga,

534
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: you fuck up, I'm gonna go get the switch off

535
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: tree and whoop your ass because you got trouble.

536
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: That's but that's what we say. Or even if difference

537
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: from me in Oakland. Number one, my grandparents both was

538
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: from the South. One was from Georgia, wants from Texas,

539
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: so they came with the South values to the town.

540
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: But the difference is ever miss around our building. It's

541
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: hit it real. When we came in the house, it

542
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: was some Southern value. As soon as you walk out there, No,

543
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: it's a pretty fuck baby everything what you said, Hey, mothers,

544
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: get us, get stabbed, of of us, get knocked out,

545
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: don't he is sold all that right outside around the

546
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: bring hi.

547
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: But they keep it real.

548
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: When I when my family started to see I was

549
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: going in the wrong direction in the hood, they shipped

550
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: me to the South and basically I got all them morals,

551
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: like all day every day from milky Rock and even

552
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: listening short for six months, I had to listen to gospel.

553
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

554
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: And you know what, though, we all made that pilgrim

555
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: mixed down soft man. I remember getting the car we

556
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: used to drive everywhere, wasn't no flying. We used to

557
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: get in the back of the car and you just

558
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: go on that long two day trip. Man. Next thing,

559
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: you know you down down south right, But check out.

560
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: I know you got a road Chuck. Man.

561
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming home.

562
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: Man.

563
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: Uh, you know we're.

564
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: Gonna skin man, just just a warm up plans and

565
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: when we work to separate from some stuff and establish

566
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: a Bay Area connection. Man. I appreciate you though. Man,

567
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: we can get you. Hey, make sure take my boy

568
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: check out man on so Be TV then SOLB TV

569
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: or solbnetwork dot com. Okay, sure check we on you man,

570
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: all right one, I sure make.

571
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

572
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: Man, that was the homie home Chuck Johnson from the

573
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: Bay So it would be been around for a long time, thog.

574
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a.

575
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: It's been a killer as far as you know the

576
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: Bay Area and supporting hip hop and music and whatever.

577
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's one of those one of those old

578
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: school favorites. So Be too, Black Ome Man, one of

579
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: the first video network, probably the first video networking on

580
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: the West Coast, to be honest with you, eazy coming

581
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: up there, like everybody used to fall through up there,

582
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, open open to major town.

583
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying it's a major pipeline as

584
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: far as hip hop is concerned. And especially like in

585
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: those days between the end of the nineties and the

586
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: middle the beginning of the two thousands, you know, record

587
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: labels were still record labels to me, and uh so

588
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: there were certain places that you had to dip through

589
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: if he was on that promotion Overron and so Be

590
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: TV was one of.

591
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Them, you feel me, So like going like going to

592
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: a rap city or.

593
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: Going to a you know, pump it Up or going

594
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: to a your MTV raps or some shit like that.

595
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm looking at us to do something

596
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: like that to try to bring them experiences back then,

597
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: because you got it, like the whole thing about it,

598
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: like we talked about it in the last episode, swin't

599
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: gonna get into it too much now, you know, we

600
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: ain't gonna have the hip Hop Awards no more. We

601
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: gotta start taking care of stuff within our culture, man,

602
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: because the thing about it is, height don't nobody value

603
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: our culture. Our culture has just looked at is if

604
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: it ain't making you no money, don't nobody give a

605
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: damn a body but you, sir, I said, we gotta

606
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: start taking care of our own culture, man, because it's

607
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: one of them things where if you're not making no

608
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: money for a corporate America, don't give a fuck about you.

609
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Exactly.

610
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: Once it's once it's not financially viable, no more, man

611
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: or making millions of dollars, it's kind of like they

612
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: move on the other stuff. You know what I was,

613
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: I was really thinking about me and Chuck was having

614
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: this conversation the other day and we were talking about

615
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: like just the solvement and now you're the South, don't

616
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: really came up. Kind of bro, Every black person I

617
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: noticed in the South is doing real good for myself, man.

618
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like I said, just different, just different.

619
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: Like I said, like you don't want to discredit what

620
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: you know as far as you know, being raised on

621
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: the West Coast and I give everything to you know,

622
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: ground up in content and all of that.

623
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, you don't know what your

624
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: life would.

625
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: Be like, you know, differently because a lot of our

626
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: people migrated from the South.

627
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Man, there's.

628
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: Different values or whatever, and so you know a lot

629
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: of people who are hard working and you know, regular motherfuckers.

630
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: They they are they're successful, you feel me.

631
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: You don't see a lot of bullshit that go on

632
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: with hard working people.

633
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: Hey. You know what, though, you might have still been rappid,

634
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: but your stories might have been way different then, you

635
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You might have been down there

636
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: with well look John and them screaming on some ship.

637
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: Out of it.

638
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 3: If I would they lay down South but been on

639
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: a whole different kick, I probably would have been on

640
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: a swords kick or or some kind of you know,

641
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: building construction ship, or probably even enjoined the military.

642
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: Being down you.

643
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: Don't know, or you might have been down there just

644
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: like you probably still spent this spending next g ship,

645
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: but been like more like scarface, you know what I mean? Right,

646
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: you just never knew because they still had to struggle

647
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: down on them. No, you know the South had some

648
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: big d boys down there too.

649
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did.

650
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: People We boys everywhere though. You know what I'm saying,

651
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: Who you was, what type of neighborhood that you was?

652
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: When was dope started moving, it just started moving.

653
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: Well you can almost save me. You know, we'd all

654
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: start to put a lot of homies out there like that.

655
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: A lot of the Southern hip hop was started from

656
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: the street. Shit dogs came from the street. Money was

657
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: financed by a street bridge, you know what I mean.

658
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: A whole lot of record labels popping ship in the nineties.

659
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: How many records that you record label that you see

660
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: in the nineties niggas had double page ads and the

661
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: sores and dog niggas just coming from out of nowhere

662
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: with double page as, double page ad and the sores

663
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: up and you like it was this and there's some

664
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: care from Dallas and Mississippi somewhere. Man, with one of

665
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: them pen and pixel album covers, you know, too dirty

666
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: and the get.

667
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 1: Low gang and all that shit.

668
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, That niggas would pick booms

669
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 2: on there with diamond is when they make and shit

670
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: them pin of pixel covers used to be a motherfucker.

671
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: It used to be crazy as a motherfucker. H That

672
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: was that era of flossy, that's of blankness. You know,

673
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: everybody had their out and coverage blinging and shining, and

674
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: I was just h that was just the South. You

675
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 3: feel me, Sony.

676
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: Ever, try to get you to jump on any of that,

677
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: like start saying, man, we go, we want you to

678
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: start wearing some jewelry.

679
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: And all that shit put that so only uh, pretty

680
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: much let a nigga be who I was. They just

681
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: didn't know how to promote my type of beausey because

682
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: that wasn't fair era. So they never had suggestions on

683
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: what I should do or be or whatever whatever.

684
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: They just, you know, they just didn't know how to

685
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: market my type of music because it wasn't their their

686
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: get down, you get what they made for take as

687
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: they had. Oh you know Son, he had a whole

688
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: bunch of pop people over there. Then when he was

689
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: over there, whom did so well? Epic basically Epic had right.

690
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: They had Pearl Jam, they had shar Day. I think

691
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: they was fucking with Shop of Ranks and whoever else

692
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: over the you know, R and B years who sustained Epic.

693
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they were trying their hands.

694
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: Out of hippop, but it wasn't successful at Epic. They

695
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: the only thing, you know, they had jumped on the

696
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: battle ram at the end of It's you know a run.

697
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: That's one I asked Todd, how did you make it

698
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: to Eptic?

699
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: Because you know, Todd started off with the mixtape, then

700
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: he went to heat him and then he went to Epic,

701
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: but they didn't have any If you want to say

702
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: black music, they black music at the time.

703
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: It was Michael Jackson. And if you want to consider

704
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: shar Day as far as hip hop, did you ever

705
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: get to meeting should I think anybody? Hell No, they never.

706
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: You ain't never try to collaborate with them. No, And

707
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: I never asked. And because that was in my field.

708
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: Now, I could have probably sampled some shar Day, which

709
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: would have been good at.

710
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: The Hey, that sounded hard. Actually give me an idea

711
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: right now, though, But no, I never I never asked

712
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: the executives.

713
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: Hey, man, I want to meet Michael Jackson or whatever

714
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: or whatever.

715
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: You know, just being a band was good enough for me.

716
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: But like I said, Epic didn't know you know, what

717
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: they were dealing with. It wasn't like they were a

718
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: fucking death.

719
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: Jam or they were like Priority or even Gibe so

720
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: to speak. You know, only was like one of the motherfuckers.

721
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: We got the money to try, and so fucking we

722
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: gonna do it too, But you don't. It's like they

723
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: look at another nigga build a car and go, well,

724
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: we got money to build one two, but it never

725
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: come out right because even though you've got the money, nigga,

726
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: you don't know what you do, It don't matter because

727
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: the motherfucking money. If you don't hire a motherfucker or

728
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: put niggas in tune with how to really build or

729
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: get car, this shit gonna come out fucked up every time.

730
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: Well you know what, You know why labels like this

731
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: Jam and all them flourished and even the reason why

732
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: Interscope did good. Now this is gonna be sound crazy, right.

733
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: Even though Jimmy Ivan wasn't necessarily a rap nigga, Jimmy

734
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: I even was one of the best engineers in the

735
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: game and knew hour shit was supposed to sound right,

736
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 2: so he had enough sense to work when he heard Drake,

737
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: he knew that was the shit. You feel what I'm saying,

738
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: and he knew that that was right. You know what

739
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying because I do think that if a person

740
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: has an inarfrom music, they got to hear from music,

741
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: even if they come from a rock background a heavy

742
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: metal background, because if you know music, you can listen

743
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: with sound right. You feel what I'm saying Like this,

744
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: I know that even though I'm not necessarily the biggest

745
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: rock and roll fan, the world too, But I like

746
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: a lot of classic rock and rolls, so I know

747
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: what sounds good rock wise like, because you gotta remember it.

748
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: We came from here. I can remember when it wasn't

749
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: no old but hip hop records.

750
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you liked the music too, before rap

751
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: really started cracking or there.

752
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: Was no hip hop, you know, if you want to

753
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: take it back to when the nigga was maybe an

754
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: adolescent to you know, from the time you started understanding

755
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: music on the radio or what was being played at

756
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: your unties or your mama's stereo.

757
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: You know, there was no rap.

758
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: There was you know, shit like the Commodores, you know,

759
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: and you didn't hear that on the radio too much.

760
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: You know, it was Teddy Pendergrass and the Common and

761
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: you know, the Jackson five and the Jackson's.

762
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: And then we had some Luther Vandros and then you know,

763
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: my auntie used.

764
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: To bang some Millie Jackson, some Top, some Tyrone Davis,

765
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: some Bobby Blue Bland.

766
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: You know, some of those.

767
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: That's where the snippling game comes from. That's what I

768
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: was gonna say. We played music in our house. I

769
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: didn't listen to the radio exact bunch of records.

770
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: I didn't start listening to the radio until probably, you know,

771
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: maybe when I was around nine ten. And from there,

772
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: you know, with the introduction of GIMTV, and you know,

773
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: we had shit like Kiss FM with Rick D's and

774
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: shit like that. Then they had the Top forty count

775
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: Down on the weekends with Casey Kanaan or whatever.

776
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: That dude was, and it was all pop music. It

777
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: was all Duran, Duran, Pat Benatar.

778
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, it was all Journey and mother fucking

779
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: you know, fucking shit like that Madonna, you know, strickling

780
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: a little Michael Jackson with with with that type of ship.

781
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: But that's what they played on on pop radio, and

782
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: that's what you saw every day on him Beat.

783
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: You remember the time, man, when we was like kids, right,

784
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: do you remember the time that where people would be

785
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: playing Madonna in the hood like some of her records.

786
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: I never recalled that because you go too many places

787
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: growing up in Campden.

788
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: It was my neighborhood where I grew up at, riding

789
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: bikes to the dairy and shit like that. And then, uh,

790
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: by the time I came of age, niggas had eight

791
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: tracks and cossettes, so you weren't get me niggas. In

792
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: my neighborhood where I grew up, they were banging, you know,

793
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: iqua boogie in Parliament, like I say, in that type

794
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: A lot of that stuff.

795
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: I remember me and.

796
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: Now I say that we had homies who had started

797
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: to DJ, and they would like play some Tears for Fears,

798
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: like some shot shall let it all out. That stuff,

799
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: the stuff with the big beating the dough, you know,

800
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: with the bob you feel me. They would do that

801
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: and kind of blend in. We started getting like because

802
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: the big record in our neighborhood hip hop wise, but

803
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: the show was the Douggy fresh and slick bixed stuff.

804
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: And really just Ice was huge in our neighborhood. Man

805
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: just Ice was so big in Cleveland dog Booker, banded

806
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: Bs and LaToya and all that stuff. Like LaToya was

807
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: the first record I heard from him. Who that just Ice,

808
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: just Ice Loot LaToya.

809
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 3: I started getting hip to music, basically rap music by

810
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: taking trips to Mississippi, like an older.

811
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: Cousins, you know, and them being you know, closer to

812
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: the East coast. You know, I was in California, so

813
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: we wasn't really experiencing, but I would know he had

814
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: a lot of New York ship.

815
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: You know.

816
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: That's why I heard that the just Ices and the

817
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: motherfucking treacherous threes and you know, the the motherfucking DJ

818
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, the request lines and shit like that.

819
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: So I started coming.

820
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: Back on going to Paramount Swamp meet and buying twelve

821
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: inches because moms had a you know, she had the

822
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: record player, and so I would buy twelve inches. That

823
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: was my first experience with the hip hop and from

824
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: there just you know, being able to expand from there

825
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: and go, well, damn, you know, now I'm here and

826
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: this nigga and this nigga, and I'm listening to all

827
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: type of motherfuckers that I'm going to the mother for

828
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 2: the swap meeting.

829
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: I'm the inquiry. I'm just where's the new rap shit?

830
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: And they would point you to a motherfucking case and nigga,

831
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: you will go through there and then be all kinds

832
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: of records. Boogie I found a Boogie Boys fly girl,

833
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: and you know, I found a request line, and I

834
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: found motherfucking radio activity and digger shit that was me.

835
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: Anything that was REP I wanted it because it was

836
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: I didn't even here. I used to give me some

837
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: REP music exactly. So you know, that's why I said

838
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: the influences, it became different and.

839
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, like you know, once once you made Joe, like

840
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: you said, once you got introduced to that underground.

841
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: Life, you know, it kind of took you off that that.

842
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, who knows what you would have become

843
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: if you.

844
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: Know, more than anything, Man, football was my main thing,

845
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: but I always really liked music, Man always. I came

846
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: from a real musical household. Like I said, we didn't

847
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: listen to the radios. My mama would stack a bunch

848
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: of forty fives. Remember they used to stack forty fives

849
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: in the drop check. Do that with twelve inches Man,

850
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: and have the way they just dropped. You know, the

851
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: records drop on top of each other, and.

852
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 3: You stack them on top of the little Day and

853
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: once one finished, the other one dropped down being gone.

854
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: It was just like Man, So we had the That

855
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: was the first playlist to be real with you, they

856
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: stick a whole bunch of records on top of each other.

857
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: I remember I would get my ass whooped though, if

858
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: I would go in there messing with my mama's record players,

859
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 2: scratching her records up. I remember when Scratcher first started, Man,

860
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: I was trying to scratch on my mama's turntables. Man,

861
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: and I remember I missed her burried white up. She

862
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: whopped my ass though, Oh yeah, I didn't attempt that,

863
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: you get me. I tried all that I knew. There

864
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: was DJ turntables and ship the motherfuckering some old phonography guys.

865
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we had this looked like a motherfucking looked

866
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: like a dresser. And shit what I'm saying.

867
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: We had this ship like a dresser. You pushed down

868
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: on the top and ship lift up. But then my

869
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: uncle came home. Man, he went to the army. Right,

870
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: every nigga that came went to the army came home

871
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: with a bomb ass stereo system because I guess wherever

872
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 2: it was, they was giving niggas credit for a TV

873
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: and a stereo system. Yeah, I got into I got

874
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: into the big stereos around thirteen, and I had Marl

875
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: Boley one for my birthday. Nigga, I had motherfuck sixteen inch.

876
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: How you know your dad the house Speaker's nigga that

877
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: had the big app. I got niggass house Speaker's nigga.

878
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: There. You had the motherfucking app.

879
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: You had the mothers fucking the tuner, the app and

880
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: then the cassette player, double cassette player with it. Nigga

881
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: and I used to be in that motherfucker maut Rome's

882
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: full fit. That's when nigga Motherfucker Too Short was on

883
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: the Nigga that Freaky Tales.

884
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: Yep, that was it, right, niggas. You know what in that.

885
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 3: Utfo nigga, we was baying out bayon Utfo.

886
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: Curtis Blow you know, Fat Boys was the ship.

887
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: At the Run DMC, I was cool with uh uh

888
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: suck MC's and rock Box.

889
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: That was my favorite.

890
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what, man, I'm gonna keep it one

891
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: hundred with you. Outside. I did like Run DMC, but

892
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: they probably wasn't my most favorite group. I was kind

893
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: of as crazy as this sound. When they did the

894
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: Aero Smith shit, I kind of stopped liking them that

895
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: this seemed like to me, I like that, I don't.

896
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I never liked man, they you know, because I guess everybody.

897
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: Once they got to a certain status, they they did

898
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: the commercial ship, you feel me.

899
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that was at the time, but

900
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: I didn't like that though. I was like that's like

901
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: my nigga told Look, he hit us with the wild

902
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: Fact You feel Me?

903
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: That was one of the biggest white songs and shit whatever.

904
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: But I was never a white wild thingg motherfucking you know.

905
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: I didn't.

906
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: I didn't drive around in my car, man, but I

907
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: ain't mess with I'm gonna tell you what. Yeah, punk

908
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: cuts on his album, That's what.

909
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I'm gonna tell you what I

910
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: messed with man with you know, like.

911
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: You said niggas went with that commercial like one DMC

912
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 3: when with d Al Smith walked this way.

913
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what I messed with from Tone Look, Man,

914
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: I really messed with the one. I messed with his

915
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: verse on We All in the same game. He had

916
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: this song on his first album, man to Where He Is?

917
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: Sample was that allowed me to play if I made

918
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: I thought that was hard. Yeah, he had some cuts.

919
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: I didn't mess with the commercial stuff. But Tone Look

920
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: definitely has some cook But ship he.

921
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: Was called Tone Look.

922
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: I think Tone Look was actually the first probably crip rapper.

923
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, he definitely was official.

924
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 4: Thing.

925
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna tell you when I went to New

926
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: Mexico State, I had a homeboy named Listen Rinker that

927
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: he used to always shout out to my boy Atlas.

928
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: He used to always keep some shit going. My nigga

929
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 2: was from Riverside and he was from sam Bernardino, always

930
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: kept some shit going. We was in the hotel about

931
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: to play Heroes on the State Tone loc and then

932
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: was out there feeling posse that movie, remember that Cowboy

933
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: movie with Drew Down malling them. I was upstairs in

934
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: the tower and my boy Atlas start some shitty gonna

935
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 2: tell tone Lok Hey, Tone, look, my boy big Steel

936
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: right here, the real look he had come down there

937
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: and smash you now, and Tone Low looked fancy at

938
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: all I see is up, big folk head motherfucker that

939
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 2: nigga don't want no problems and walked on. We thought

940
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 2: that shit was so funny though, with nigga just darting.

941
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: We just starting laughing, man, And I was to this

942
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: day don't know why the homie kicked all that shit off,

943
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: but I thought that was funny because Tone Low looked

944
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 2: at me and said that slick shit and nit breaks

945
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: dride and went right on to what he was going

946
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: to go do.

947
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: Typical la nigga. They ractly typical la dude.

948
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: I just think, man, like, right now, we in this

949
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: weird ass place right with rep to where I think

950
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: all that shit is about to go back to the underground.

951
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: Dog niggas ain't making no money, that's streaming shit, don'na

952
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: fuck everything up. Man, You're starting to see you no

953
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: dog niggas is really starting to feel it.

954
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

955
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: You see a lot of niggas, uh, you know, going

956
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: trying to go back to the hustle off, you know,

957
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: having their own links and you know, pressing up their

958
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: own music.

959
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you got true fans and

960
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: you know they want to hear your own music, whether

961
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: it's five thousand and ten thousand and thirty thousand fans,

962
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: a million fans, if they true fans and they want

963
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: to hear your music, if you make it accessible to them,

964
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they'll find a way to get it. Yeah.

965
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: I just think that that's important now. Man.

966
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: I knew I was telling some cats I'm working with them.

967
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people seem to think that websites

968
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: are important nom more. I don't agree with that shit.

969
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 2: I think that we in the habit now that where

970
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: we depending too much of another mother fucker's platforms to

971
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: where if a motherfucker decided to cancel your Instagram, Acount

972
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: eight or your Twitter accounts.

973
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: You almost gonna be ass alid.

974
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: You gonna be like, damn well, it would be cool

975
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 3: to you know, have your all place where you can,

976
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 3: you know, let people know about your ship, where you can.

977
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: You know, get online or go live and chat with

978
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: people for a few and do that. Now, Bro, you're

979
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: gonna do that. You know what I'm gonna do.

980
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna because I know I feel sites to

981
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: a certain degree. I actually got pretty good at that,

982
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: but it ain't my main thing.

983
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: What we need to do.

984
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: We need to make like an m C eights And

985
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: I talked about that with you before. We need to

986
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: make like an m C site that we got to

987
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 2: get a lot of this. You know a lot of

988
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: them talk. You know, you know, it's good to.

989
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: Talk about shit and come up with ideas, but then

990
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: it gets to a point where you gotta start pushing

991
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: ship into it.

992
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: Just start doing it, man.

993
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: Thing, bro can't tell everybody what you go do, either

994
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 5: magazine to steal your ideas like shid all the time,

995
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 5: hot man, I don't have so much shipstow and not

996
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 5: be like damn.

997
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: And the thing about it is the homies that got

998
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: big bread. Them niggas don't even give a fuck about

999
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: being oby. They'll say, oh, yeah, how you gonna do

1000
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: this and do that? Crash you out, you do it,

1001
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: and then they got the idea of how to twist

1002
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: it for themselves and the next thing, you know, you're

1003
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: gonna see it out here.

1004
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: That's the nigga right now. That's the king of that ship. Dog.

1005
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: He killed the whole homie shit Dog. He called the

1006
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: homie up from there to listen to some ship. Though

1007
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say no nigga's name, but you know,

1008
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 2: I don't. I know, you don't want us to start

1009
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: no shit on there. But he called the homie up

1010
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: in there man to ask him his advice, and some ship.

1011
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 2: The homie thirt playing his ship and showing them different ship.

1012
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1013
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: When I tell you, dude, when they switched this whole

1014
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: album around dog and had that ship out a month later,

1015
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: that's all right, just that quick, bro.

1016
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, I told Homie he was kind of upset

1017
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: about it.

1018
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: I said, Man, I told you you can't go over

1019
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: there because the thing is this man, when the motherfucker's

1020
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: been doing this shit for as long as certain people

1021
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: been doing it, I ain't gonna say they run out

1022
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: of ideas. But people don't really go outside no more though,

1023
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: Like some of these big major artists don't go nowhere

1024
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: no more. Like dog you can think about, like let's

1025
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: say take Snoop DOGG for example, Looke probably go do

1026
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: its tours and go mess around that compound, but he's

1027
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: very insulated.

1028
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: Kind of.

1029
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you gotta be though, you know, don't because,

1030
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: like I said, regardless of what your attitude is and

1031
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: how you feel about people and wanting to be accepted

1032
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 3: or be just cool with motherfuckers, there's always gonna be

1033
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: a motherfucker out there head and who just don't like you.

1034
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: And so at that risk of not you know, running

1035
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: yourself into that type of negative activity, a lot of

1036
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: niggas just stay secluded.

1037
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: You know.

1038
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: I'll go where the rich people go when a regular

1039
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 3: nigga can't get to access, and then that's it. You

1040
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: feel me as far as the normal and hoping that

1041
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: I can still connect with regular people. Sometimes that got

1042
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 3: to be on your own terms, and like that's when

1043
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: a negga be like, fuck it, I'm just gonna invite

1044
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: people here that I know and trust you get me.

1045
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: They keep them inside these walls before I have to

1046
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 2: go outside and fuck with people and have to deal

1047
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: with the situation that is infeasible.

1048
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, it's like.

1049
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: The thing is this right, And I tell everybody this,

1050
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: we go at the really start as people may underpend

1051
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 2: our value. Like I'm gonna tell you a prime example

1052
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: that is what's going on to college football right now.

1053
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: I come from the Football are Dolgy, where we was

1054
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: always told it was about the team. It's about the

1055
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: love of the sport, right, It's about this and that.

1056
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: But now with these kids, now what they understand and

1057
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: this is what kids been seeing for years. Okay, y'all

1058
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: say this about the team. That ain't about no money.

1059
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: But every time, you know, you get a coach that

1060
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: recruits you do at college, he get a job, but

1061
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: a school telling him, hey man, you was the defensive

1062
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: coordinator over there, We're gona get a coaching job over here,

1063
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: and we got another million before you. On top of that,

1064
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: he gonna leave. He probably in most cases isn't even

1065
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: gonna get to say goodbye to nobody. He is gonna

1066
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: be gone. You're gonna rights. Man, what's coach such such said?

1067
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: Oh he gone? Now man, I heard he over at

1068
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: Mississippi State. Not right, So you tell a kid that, man,

1069
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: But you're going to go get money with these kids now. Man,

1070
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: it's like fucking pay me, because I'm gonna tell you

1071
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: what's about to happen. This college football shit is all

1072
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: about bread. Now a kid can go to school and

1073
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: be a freshman somewhere and he come in instead of

1074
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 2: signed the count, instead of signing the letter of intent,

1075
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: they signing the contract now right at the d one school, right,

1076
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: you'll get paid.

1077
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: It's amount of dollars a year. This is what you're

1078
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: gonna get. Right.

1079
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 2: It's almost like the school shit is an afterthought because

1080
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: before they used to hit niggas. Well, you're getting education,

1081
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: but you're making millions of dollars off of me, right,

1082
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 2: And it's cool that I'm getting the education, but you

1083
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: can really pay me when I'm worthing and I go

1084
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: pay for my own school and go how that sound right?

1085
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: You give me this couple of minute, this two or

1086
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: three million I'm bringing to the university, and I go

1087
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: pay for my own shit. Right, But now these kids

1088
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: are saying, fuck cat, I want to pay so and

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00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: that kind of When it was, it was almost a

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00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: training ground for the NFL. Right, so when they get

1091
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: to the league, they condition, right, they get their contract,

1092
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: they tell you, hey, man, you only go get a

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00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: certain percentage of your jersey sales. You can't even negotiate that. Right,

1094
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: these new kids gonna start negotiating all that shit. You

1095
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: can see a lot of cats not playing football no more.

1096
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: It's gonna get drafted and be like no uncle, because

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00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: they gonna already have bread.

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Speaker 1: Bro. It's some of these quarterbacks men. And college football

1099
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: is making ten to fifteen million dollars already. Dog, they

1100
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: making millions of dollars. And the kids nowadays with all

1101
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: the shit they know about the brain, the issues with

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00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: the brain and football and all that shit. So these

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00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: kids is like, man, I'm cool, I'm not doing all that,

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00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: and you about to have me all you're fucked up,

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00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: looking crazy. We got fucked over eight. We didn't getting

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00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: no money, broll. You know what the NFL contract was.

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00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: When I came out of school, man, when I came

1108
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: out of New Mexican stated ninety two dollars. The average

1109
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: NFL salary was one hundred thousan dollars. Me and you

1110
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: both made more than NFL players did back then. Dog,

1111
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: that shit didn't start getting bigger to like uh TV

1112
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: contracts of start, you feel what I'm saying. And really,

1113
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: when the USFL kind of start pushing the line and

1114
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: giving cats all that money, you know what I'm saying,

1115
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: that made them start taking care of the superstars. Men,

1116
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: But it really wasn't I would say, men. For the

1117
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: hell the Cats went through back then, it wasn't financially

1118
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: worth a lot of dudes playing dog. That's why you

1119
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: see dudes like Eric Dickerson now and certain people they

1120
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: ain't necessarily as wealthy as we like to think they.

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00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Are, you know what I mean. Now, that's why back

1122
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: then you have to you know, probably invest, you know, best.

1123
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: In a couple of businesses, do something other ship you know,

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00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: I Magic Johnson got cracking, You get me? Oh yeah,

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00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: well you know what, Maxic And it's always gonna be outliers, right.

1126
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: You always have people like Magic. You always gonna have

1127
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: people like Emmitt Smith, but they gonna be very few

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: and far in between, you, Right, It's like even now

1129
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: people think about professional football and they like to think

1130
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: about it's just all this wealth.

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: They like that.

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00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: Dog.

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00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: I know we're supposed to be back in the studio

1134
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: next week.

1135
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: Dog, I'm looking forward to getting back when we actually

1136
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: in the same spot together. We gotta with the fly ship,

1137
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: were about to start doing. Man, I know you coaching now, dogs,

1138
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: you got to get the fuck on you decide to Hey,

1139
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: y'all gonna tell you all right now as coaching football again.

1140
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: And they cond is asking to do it again.

1141
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: They didn't got to con me. I was.

1142
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: I was kind of influenced, you know by the fan

1143
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: eat a lot no, you know, because you know, you

1144
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 3: always have to, you know, check.

1145
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: In with people.

1146
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 3: You know, I'm pretty sure still you can't just go

1147
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: do shit and not you know, Hey, Maria, I'm I'm

1148
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: finna go you whatever something you didn't so you now

1149
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: company kid that that it's in college playing football, then

1150
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: we're doing other ship, you know, have another responsibilities. You

1151
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: just want to, you know, run it by people and

1152
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 3: see and you know what they think. And you know,

1153
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 3: after running by a few people and like I said, family,

1154
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: friends and ship, it was more on the do it

1155
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: side than it was on the adult do it side.

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01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: And you know what, though, to be honest with you,

1158
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: it's not a bad you're doing exactly messing with the uh.

1159
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: I like the party about molding the kids. To be

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: honest with you, not to sound corny, but the UH.

1161
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: See your kid come in the beginning of the season

1162
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: that don't have that much comfort evident, and you look

1163
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: up six weeks later he going down there breaking somebody off,

1164
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: and he jumping up with his friends, and you got

1165
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: to seeing me a whole different kid by the time

1166
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: he leaves you, Like I had a kid named Jerry

1167
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: yaik Ching. Jerry yaik Ching was a fixed mourning kid, right,

1168
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: cousins and stuff to play in the program. He would

1169
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: come out every year, get his spirit pack and bounce.

1170
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: I just knew I would see in one the side

1171
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: he'd get his spirit pack, dog wear his spirit packed

1172
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: for two weeks and when past come on. Because I

1173
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: found out later on that even though he was the

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01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: biggest Chris and them is bigger, he was actually.

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 1: Two years younger, right, So he was a little kid.

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01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: Right. Jerry came in and man that third year and

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01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 2: stuck through it, and he always played up with us, right,

1178
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 2: and Jerry Yai ching Man. That was one of my

1179
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: first football heartbreaks because Jerry played a pair of Mount

1180
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: High School. Was a defensive player of the Year for

1181
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: that concert that conference. You know, with pair of Mont

1182
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: down he means and all of them. He had twenty

1183
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: six sacks his senior year, Dog and had a scholarship

1184
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: to the University of Miami Hurricanes.

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01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: His daddy died. Recipes for Homie. His daddy died.

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01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: Dog. He didn't want to play no more. I came

1187
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: over the man with the pair of mon Man. He

1188
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: was sitting on the porch, man with a radio, eating

1189
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: some chicken. I said, Dog, why are you not in school?

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01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 4: Man?

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01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh coach man. I just it wasn't the same when

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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: his daddy was gone. You know what I mean, I

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01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: really know dog Jerry would have been he'd have made

1194
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: it to the NFL. You know who he reminded. He

1195
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 2: reminded me of Trey Jackson. He was a dude that

1196
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 2: was like about six four or six five, and he

1197
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: didn't have a typical some moon frame where he was

1198
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: just real big and burley. He was about two seventy man,

1199
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: nice and slender kind of you know what I mean,

1200
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: And was just fast as hell and aggressive, and I think, man,

1201
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 2: him playing up all them years kind of got him,

1202
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: kind of got him going. Man, But that really broke

1203
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: my heart. Man, It's like he lost his pops. And

1204
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, I used to feel in some ways, man,

1205
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: like I was letting them kids down when I stopped, Man,

1206
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: because I really feel like if I would have probably

1207
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: stayed connected to him, dog, I could have kind of

1208
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: kept him on the straight and narrow, you know what

1209
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: I mean. Right, But at the same fact, you know,

1210
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: you lose your father. Him and his father was close, dog,

1211
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: and I was just I was really proud of him, man,

1212
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: because I went and saw him. I went and saw

1213
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: them play the mingas man. This was the year pair

1214
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: of miunt almost made it to the like, almost made

1215
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: it to the big things, you know what I mean?

1216
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: Who was just in sack. He'd have been the first

1217
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: round draft picked dog. If Hedne went to Miami Dog

1218
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: and played three or four three years he came up

1219
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: out of the dog, he'd have been, Man, Hurricanes Dog.

1220
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: We'd have went down there and show it off and

1221
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: begging for men. I know you got to get shaken dog.

1222
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,479
Speaker 2: We call later on all right, for sure, Jill were gone.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: That concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

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01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,280
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Speaker 2: Chronicles podcasts of Norman Steeled, Aaron M c a Tyler.

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