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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. For fans of Lost, the

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Speaker 1: television show, you might enjoy this previously on Ridiculous History.

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Speaker 1: This is This is part two of our episode on

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Speaker 1: King Pine a k a. The Pineapple a k a.

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Speaker 1: One of our favorite fruits on the show. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to super producer Casey Pegram, guest producer Andrew Howard. They

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Speaker 1: called me, they called me Ben or the Pineapple Kid.

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Speaker 1: I'm going by that. No, no, the Pineapple Kid. I

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Speaker 1: like that. You should rob a bank. It's probably you

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Speaker 1: have probably had to capitalize on this whole mask wearing situation.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be around for terribly much longer, hopefully,

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Speaker 1: and rob a bank. I'm surprised there haven't been more

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Speaker 1: like wild West style heists. You know, everyone would just

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Speaker 1: and I would know I did. Uh. I did a

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Speaker 1: video for brain Stuff back in the day about the

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Speaker 1: economics of robbing a bank. It's pretty depressing. I talked

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Speaker 1: make much money. Per heist. It's uh, it's not the

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Speaker 1: best business to be in. So bank robbing now it

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Speaker 1: would be like kind of like spoken word, you gotta

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Speaker 1: be in it for the experience. Well that's what that's

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Speaker 1: what you gotta do. Like you gotta think bigger Ben,

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Speaker 1: you got just Robert Bank. You gotta like do on

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Speaker 1: Ocean's eleven style casino hist or robbed like the Museum

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Speaker 1: of Natural History steal the Declaration of Independence. That be

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Speaker 1: a good ridiculous history style heist. Yeah, yeah, Now heist

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Speaker 1: in a museum I'm on board with. And of course

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some folks in the audience today, Noel

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Speaker 1: who are remembering that old quote, if you really want

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Speaker 1: to make money, don't rob a bank, start one or

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Speaker 1: something like that, if you really want to rob people.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, but what we can remember is our

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Speaker 1: earlier episode on the mania for pineapples that swept Europe

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Speaker 1: right in the fifteen through sixteenth century. Specifically, I think

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Speaker 1: we were both surprised to learn that the pineapple at

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Speaker 1: I mean truly. Even the royals would look at it

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Speaker 1: let's just backtrack, ever so slightly previously on ridiculous history.

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Speaker 1: You know, it all started with one pineapple. I was

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Speaker 1: how did it keep from getting too ripe? And that's

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Speaker 1: exactly right. The other ones that that came across, you know,

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Speaker 1: ten okay, because I'm going on a date and I

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00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: just really want to flex. Yeah, but don't drop it, ben,

425
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: and definitely don't eat it. This is like a you know, look,

426
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: but but don't eat situation. Got it? One ten doesn't

427
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: seem that bad now? By again, by today's then you

428
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: can buy your own pineapple. But you don't need me.

429
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: I have an antiquated business I have actually I have

430
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: been outpaced by history. Um. I really should have thought

431
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: this business model through, but act then. It was a

432
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: great business model because you know, it was like the

433
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: Blockbuster video model, you know, where you could just uh,

434
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, get a bunch of pineapples and instead of

435
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: selling them and having a one time payout, you keep

436
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: cycling them through and renting them to people. Um. And

437
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: it became a pretty lucrative trade, the pineapple rental market.

438
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: There's so much status wrapped up in these um people

439
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: wanted to get in on the party at the very least,

440
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: they wanted to appear as if they were in on

441
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: the party. Um, so they might just rent a pineapple

442
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: for a night for a dinner soiree, you know, to

443
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: use for that centerpiece on the table, and that you know,

444
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: would be enough nominal, enough of a fee they could

445
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: afford it. They could feel like they, you know, we're somehow,

446
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, keeping up with the Jones. It's the same

447
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: as people that like buy luxury clothing items when they

448
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: just really don't make enough money to do that to

449
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: justify ending two hundred dollars on a on a Gucci

450
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: shirt or whatever. That's probably low, but they feel so

451
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, pressured by society and by the people they

452
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: follow on social media and all this stuff. Sorry, I'm

453
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: soapboxing here a little bit that they'll like, you know,

454
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: overspend and spend out of their means to get this stuff.

455
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: Not saying people shouldn't have what they want and feel

456
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: good about the clothing that they have and if that's

457
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: what you're into the fashion and stuff, but I think

458
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: a lot of it is pressure. And this is definitely

459
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: what this is when you say pressure to keep up

460
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: and and and to you know, fight that those feelings

461
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: of jealousy. Yeah right, Like I was saying earlier, it's

462
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: like an arms race to keep up with the Joneses.

463
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: But to the point about designer fashion, this this led

464
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: me down an interesting rabbit hole because I was wondering

465
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: whether some unscrupulous merchant did the same thing that many

466
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: merchants do in the modern day, which is to make knockoffs,

467
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: was their counterfeit pineapple market. I to me, that's really

468
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: interesting because has so many people who saw pineapples wouldn't

469
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: have seen them in person. It would have heard about

470
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: them and seen paintings, right or drawings. So I bet

471
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: there was somebody selling fake pineapples the same way people sell,

472
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, knockoff supreme gear or something. But this also

473
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: leads us to another funny thing. Well, the funny thing

474
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: that turns pretty dark pretty quickly. This means that for

475
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people who could actually afford to buy pineapples,

476
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: they were buying pineapples used because these things have been

477
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: rented out for several days beforehand. Right, and now you

478
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: get this used pineapple, who knows how many people have

479
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: touched it? The maids would transport pineapples from dinner party

480
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: to dinner party were also incredibly lucrative targets for thieves,

481
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 1: so they had to be very, very careful. We know

482
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: that pineapples became a source of crime in eighteen o seven.

483
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: There are several cases for pineapple theft. One guy was

484
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: sentenced to something called transportation, which is way less cool

485
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 1: than it sounds. It was basically exiled to Australia for

486
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: seven years for stealing seven pineapples. It's so funny, Ben,

487
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: So I had to had to bring this up really quickly,

488
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: the idea of, you know, comparing the luxury clothing situation

489
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: to this pineapple situation. I don't know if you're a

490
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: fan of the show Parks and Recreation, Ben, but a

491
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: Z's and Sorry's character Tom Haverford UM is always pitching

492
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: these like bad business ideas, and the one that he

493
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: does that actually sort of takes off is a company

494
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: called rent a Swag where you are able to rent

495
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: luxury clothing, you know, for a period of time and

496
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: then return it. Uh. And I was looking it up

497
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: and I found an article that talked about these two

498
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: um actual Silicon Valley startups. One's called Lottote and I

499
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: believe they've advertised with us on different podcasts UM and

500
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: another one called counter Squad or sorry couldtur Squad, and

501
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: they essentially allow you to rotate outfits through each month

502
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: and then send them back and then they build themselves

503
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: into Netflix for clothes. So this is definitely a thing.

504
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: And I like credit pineapples for this. It's funny because

505
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: pineapples even entered language. They even became slang. If you

506
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: wanted to describe something as top notch aces, the best

507
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: of the best of creme de la creme, then in

508
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: the seventeen seventies, you might say, a pineapple of the

509
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: finest flavor. So let's go go back to buy fictional

510
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: date and I would I would have this pineapple I've rented,

511
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, I wanted to show you this pineapple

512
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: because you my dear pineapple of the finest flavor. Yeah,

513
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: and that wouldn't be weird back then. No, it wouldn't be.

514
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: And I'm only guessing here, but I imagine as time

515
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: went on, if that was can still be used to

516
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: be like that Dame is a real pineapple? Exactly, yes, exactly. Um,

517
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: there's a play in seventeen seventy five called The Rivals,

518
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: where a character compliments someone by saying he is the

519
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: very pineapple of politeness. And I think we bring it back.

520
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Ben, I'm with you. Uh, never mind,

521
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on this woman. We'll sybe we can

522
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: try some of these out at the end of the show.

523
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: Um but yeah, so okay. So trade began to expand

524
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: in Britain in the eighteenth century, and the pineapple as

525
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: we know it already exists as both a super bespoke

526
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: fruit that you dare not even eat it's so expensive.

527
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: But the temptation and the nect of the pineapple. Um,

528
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: but you you know, use it for decor rent it,

529
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: perhaps you know, own it if you're super well off.

530
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: And then that symbol, the iconography of the pineapple. It's

531
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: such a distinct shape. You know, you can see it

532
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: in silhouette like without even having any any detail. I

533
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: And let's think about things like Hawaiian shirts bend or

534
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: just things like tablecloths perhaps, or like dish towels. Right,

535
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: that's a popular thing even today. And so when that

536
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: trade started expanding in Britain, all these home good companies

537
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: that were like you know, pumping out textiles and different things,

538
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, for the happy homemaker. They started using the

539
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: pineapple as as as a print, you know, um for

540
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: fabrics and things like that, or or various you know,

541
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: carvings and emblems, etcetera. Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly. You would

542
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: see it on clocks. You would see it on paintings

543
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: who would be walking into you know, the living room

544
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: or the parlor and it would be pineapple themed outdoors.

545
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: You would also see this on garden sculptures, on carriages,

546
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: and this is like the Grand Manner houses or where

547
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: you would see these pineapples carved in stone on these

548
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: plinths just sitting out in the yard. Because the idea was,

549
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: you know what, this fruit may not last forever, but

550
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: if I can get a sculpture of it, everybody who

551
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: walks into my house is gonna know that at one point,

552
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: you guys, I had a pineapple. That's what this stone

553
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: is about. Less d forget, I am aware of pineapples.

554
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: I am a classy dude, and I'm sorry you buried

555
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: the lead a little bit there. Plinth plinth, give it

556
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: to me. A plinth is just you know how when

557
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: you see a statue or like a bust or a sculpture,

558
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's resting on a column some sort. The plinth.

559
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: Is that that really heavy base that you put the

560
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: statue or or the valls on. Wow? All right, well

561
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: I definitely learned a new word today, plinth. It doesn't

562
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: really roll off the tongue. And then, like I said, things,

563
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, more fabric patterns, right, like napkins and wallpaper,

564
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: even tablecloths. Great article in mental Flaws, the super Lux

565
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: History of Pineapples. Um goes through a lot of this

566
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: stuff beautifully as always. And of course you know paintings.

567
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: That was a huge thing too. It was just really

568
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: really popular image because of all this association with wealth

569
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: and opulence and even I think that hospitality thing still

570
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: is part of the conversation here. Um is part of

571
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: the conversation here. But yeah, it had become this symbol

572
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: of good taste. Okay. I think I think that's that's

573
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: what it all boils down to at this point, Um,

574
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: good taste and opulence and and absurd, you know, grotesque wealth.

575
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: But I think the good taste part is the thing

576
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: that's going to kind of carry it on. Right. Yeah,

577
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm laughing because I just keep imagining these

578
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: various scenarios where really important people took the time out

579
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: of their day to make sure that someone else knew

580
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: they had a pineapple. It's kind of like it's like

581
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: the president of a country stopping all official business to

582
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: make an announcement that they have a PS five. But

583
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: it's on an order of magnitude, you know, more expensive

584
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: than that. So for a while, pineapples were an English industry.

585
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: In Europe, however, technology would soon change the pineapples. Social

586
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: status advancements in the early eighties began to make the

587
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: pineapple less of a pain to grow and therefore more common. Essentially,

588
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: Holland invented some new hothouse technology which allowed them to

589
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: grow pineapples there. The steamship came into the game, which

590
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: meant quicker journeys, the pineapples were less likely to rot.

591
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: More people were making money in Victorian England, and it

592
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: wasn't long before the upwardly mobile, you know, like the

593
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: upper middle class could start having pineapples at dinner parties

594
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: of their own, which scandalizes the Royals. Now the pineapples

595
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: uncool if the if the cleabs can have it. They

596
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: hated that. They hated that as well, we can't have

597
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: nice things. It's true. Yeah, the pineapple boom, or at

598
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: least know the pineapple bubble had burst, right because now

599
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: everyone could afford a pineapple. Didn't have quite the same cachet,

600
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: but now people could enjoy the pineapple. For why you

601
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: should enjoy the pineapple, ben for why you enjoy the

602
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: pineapple so well? To eat It's succulent, delicious flavor and

603
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: um versatility in cooking and any other culinary pursuits. Due

604
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: we would be so impressive if we traveled back to

605
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: this period of time in Europe, I would just we

606
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: just bring a lot of pineapples with us, right, and

607
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: they would be like, well, clearly, clearly these people are

608
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: emperors of some foreign land. Why else would they have

609
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: this wheelbarrow of pineapples exactly tossing them off like fake

610
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: joker money in Batman exactly love us. You could buy

611
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: a house with a pineapple, I bet. Anyhow, Yeah, the

612
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: the aristocracy hates it. The world is being upended in

613
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: pineapples now are no longer cool, and we could get

614
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: a slice for a penny on the street, literally like

615
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: like it was like street food exactly exactly, and you

616
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: could find it installs in most cities and towns across

617
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: the country, and satirical cartoonists would start drawing pictures of

618
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: working class people eating pineapples, and it was very much

619
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: a visual metaphor for the problem of social progress. And

620
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: then the invention of canning injured the mix, and now

621
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: you could you could have pineapples preserve. So you start

622
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: seeing these rings of pineapple that have been canned, and

623
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: they're showing up in everything. People are adding pineapple to

624
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: food at a crazy rate. They spend so much time

625
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: figuring out that they could do this. You never asked

626
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: if they should add pineapple to things like meatloaf. Yeah,

627
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: there's a there's a rough era for that kind of

628
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: I think it's called the seventies. Uh. The jello salads,

629
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: the jello salad days and U not just the salad

630
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: days are good. That's a good thing, right, you pine

631
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: for the salad days you know of your youth, Right,

632
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: the jello salad the jealous salad days not not so good.

633
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I love this, I really do.

634
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Speaker 1: Especially just the idea of you know, the average you know,

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Speaker 1: people being able to eat the pineapple and it pissing

636
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Speaker 1: off the aristocracy. I'm always all about that in history,

637
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: but today, I mean it's it's it's just as popular

638
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: as ever. People love pineapple. It's great and smoothies. Like

639
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: you said that, we gave a bunch of things on

640
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: the top of show that we like. Pineapple, upside down

641
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: cake great just as a snack. You know, in the

642
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: fruit cup, you know of of our youth, which you

643
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: can now pretty much get something very similar, hopefully with

644
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: a little bit better distribution of cherries. For you, Ben,

645
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: thanks to that you remembered, I'm touched. Have you Have

646
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: you heard of a lot of fruit to the place

647
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta? Right? Yeah, Yeah, they're They're pretty awesome.

648
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: That's where you can go and get I never thought

649
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Speaker 1: that I would be the kind of person who, as

650
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Speaker 1: an adult, would drive somewhere specifically to get a fruit cup.

651
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: But they are nailing it. If you were ever in Atlanta,

652
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: you get a chance go check out a lot of

653
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: fruit to their their top notch. I'll tell you what

654
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by, Ben. I'm I almost guarantee that you've

655
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: tried it. One of my favorite places in Atlanta is

656
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: Plaza Fiesta. It's that's like really cool indoor Mexican mall

657
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: with you know, all kinds of food stalls and you

658
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: know taker he is, and amazing things that you can

659
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: get good leather goods like boots, like outfitters, really really

660
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: really fun. It feels like you stepped through a portal

661
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: into another place entirely. It's it's it's a beautiful place.

662
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: But they one of the most popular things they always

663
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: see people they're um enjoying are these amazing fruit cups,

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Speaker 1: usually with mango slices and often pineapple and a few

665
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: other little things thrown in. But they have these like

666
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: swizzle stick looking things that are covered in this like

667
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: chili powder that's like spicy chili powder, and they're meant

668
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: to be like a sweet, savory, almost salty cup situation.

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Speaker 1: And I've always been a little freaked out to try.

670
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: But the more I'm thinking, all, you know what, the

671
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: only live once, and I'm getting older and my tastes

672
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: are changing, I think I might be down for one

673
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: of those. If you had one, then yeah, yeah, I'm

674
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: a fan. I would try it out. I haven't had

675
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: one of those years. I think you'll dig it. I'd

676
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: be interested to hear what you think, what your take

677
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: on it is. We also are interested to hear your

678
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: experiences with pineapple in the modern day, because it's coming

679
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: back as a symbol. We've seen, well, you know, people

680
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: that would sometimes be called hipsters rocking pineapples as as

681
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: a you know, as like a Hawaiian shirt or I

682
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: work actually with a writer from Vanity Fair. I'm not

683
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: gonna name names, but one of the first things I

684
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: noticed about this guy, who's a brilliant writer, is he

685
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: has a big pineapple tattoo on his forearm. Interesting, and

686
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: it's really cool. He's way cooler than me. I should

687
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: point that out, But now here we are. The pineapple

688
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: became insanely popular. It had kind of a fall from grace,

689
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: but it remains. It remains iconic in the modern day because,

690
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: like Sentinel, it looks incredibly distinct and it also tastes

691
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: incredibly good. Uh been quick hot take pineapples on pizza?

692
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: You know what, I think people's pizzas should be their own.

693
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: If you bought the pizza, put whatever you want on it,

694
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: but you personally are you a pineapple on pizza? That

695
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: says a lot about someone's personality, does it? Uh? I

696
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: have that pineapple on pizza. I'm not opposed to it.

697
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't you know, Hawaiian pizza sometimes has too much

698
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: pineapple and ham on it. I think you gotta you

699
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: gotta have a soft touch. I like it occasionally, you know,

700
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: for a treat. But yeah, please, Ben, I'm sorry I

701
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: interrupted you for that hot take, which I think is

702
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: very valuable, so I think it was worth it. But please,

703
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: oh man, Yeah, it's a good question. I'm surprised we

704
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: didn't get to it yet. We do have. This is

705
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: the end of our two part episode of Pineapple, but

706
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: almost like a superhero movie with a stinger a post

707
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: credit scene. We do have a little bit of a

708
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: tease for maybe an episode in the future. Yeah. The

709
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: upper class when they realized that pineapples were, you know,

710
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: no longer the hot produce, they had to find a

711
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: new way to let everybody in society know that they

712
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: were in fact better than them. And they didn't learn

713
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: their lesson from the Pineapple tobaccle, where many people lost

714
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands dollars. Instead, they decided to

715
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: look for another luxurious, difficult to grow food it's so ridiculous. No,

716
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: what was it? Yeah, it was Celery Bob Bob, which

717
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: just I mean, look, I I like Selary for like,

718
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know, it's the holy trinity of Cajun cooking.

719
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: You know, celery, carrots, onion, was that the three? I know,

720
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: that's that's what trinity is. But anyway, it's very, very

721
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: great for making like a base the mayor off of

722
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: like a lot of like cooking on its own, not

723
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: a fan. You know, it's got the crunch. It's good

724
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: if you're trying to avoid carbs. You can dip it

725
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. But it's also the kind of thing that

726
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: you see haphazardly thrown into your like styrofoam box of

727
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: to go chicken wings. So clearly that has gone quite

728
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: a leap away from where these weird riches were hoping

729
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: it would. But stay tuned for more on that. And

730
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: I would love to hear about the history of selling.

731
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: I do want to add really quickly, Hawaiian pizza was

732
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: invented in Canada by the owner of a Greek restaurant.

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Speaker 1: That's all we're gonna We're gonna leave it with that,

734
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: And I alluded to the top episode one um, and

735
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: we didn't really get into it. The pineapple is so

736
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: sought actor that it actually created like a coup type situation.

737
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: And that really is the story of pineapples being brought

738
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Speaker 1: to the masses in the nineteen hundreds through the Dull

739
00:45:53,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Food Company originally called the Hawaiian Pineapple Company, and it said,

740
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: actually they deposed the last sovereign ruler of Hawaii before

741
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, and the annexation of it. It's a whole

742
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: thing I recommend. I think Ben would agree to listen

743
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: to a special episode of Stuff They Don't Want You

744
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: to Know, our other show with special guest hosts super

745
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson and and Danish Schwartz. Yeah.

746
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that episode the entire time we

747
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: were recording these. Uh. They did a wonderful job. It's

748
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: a it's a deep dive into the events that led

749
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: to Hawaii becoming a US state. Uh In the pineapple,

750
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: like the banana in South America, had a role to

751
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: play in in this story of imperialism. So please do

752
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: check this out. Please also stay tuned as we as

753
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: we learn more about Celery. That's so ridiculous and cellar

754
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: like beef stew, and the whole trinity, which is, you know,

755
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: like you said, onion, bell, pepper, and cellery. But pepper,

756
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: that's the one. That's the one. Yeah. But we're gonna

757
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: call it a day because I think this episode has

758
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: made both of us hungry. We can talk about food forever.

759
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: And it's crazy. You get a whole another episode from

760
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: Alexis and Dana on just the one thing that we

761
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: barely even scratched on. I can't believe how much pineapple

762
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: content there is out there, Bennett, right right, We're still

763
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: We're still flexing like the aristocrats of old. Also like

764
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: to recommend an episode of our sister podcast, Saver with

765
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: Lauren Vogel Bomb and Annie Reese. You may recognize from

766
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: earlier episodes of Ridiculous History. They have an episode all

767
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: about just renting pineapples. It's called May I Rent Your Pineapple?

768
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Do check it out and let us know what you think.

769
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: Thanks to the whole crew. Uh no, this this is uh,

770
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: this is a wild ride. This one was a lot

771
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: of fun. What do you think, Oh dude, it's more

772
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: fun than you could shake a pineapple app You could

773
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: shake a pineapple at anything. It's not that hard, they're

774
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: not that heavy. They're they're just you know, spiny. Be

775
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: careful handling that pineapple. Yeah, do it by the base

776
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: of the pineapple, because if you do it by the crowd,

777
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: you're just gonna pull the crowd off. And then will

778
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: it still be the king of fruits? That's a good question.

779
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: It's a good question, Ben. And speaking of questions, we'd

780
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: like to hear from you, why not swing on by

781
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: ridiculous historians on Facebook? Tell us your weird stories about

782
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: fruits of yesteryear, or you know what produce and spices

783
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: that became incredibly expensive? Pineapples far from the only example

784
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: I love to hear about that. You can also find

785
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: my colleague Nolan I on social media, not as shows,

786
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: but as people. Oh my gosh, we are in fact people.

787
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram I am at how

788
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: now Noel Brown posting, you know, just stuff from around

789
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, a lot of like weird music videos

790
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: and I just kind of film on my TV until

791
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, the algoray them makes me pull them down

792
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: or pulls them now automatically. But you know, my kid

793
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: doing cosplays and stuff like that. You know, come, come,

794
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: join me on my life's journey via Instagram. How about you, Ben,

795
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: You've got a couple of spots people can find you. Yeah,

796
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: I want to say, Uh, Noel's meme game is strong.

797
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: So do do you take a look at his stories?

798
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: I always get to kick out of those. Yeah, you can.

799
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: While you're on the internet. You can find me having

800
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: a various misadventures on Instagram where I'm at Ben Boland

801
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: b O W l I N. You can also find

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00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Ben Bolan hs W. The old

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00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: school folks know where that hs W comes from. Old

804
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: school folks like like my pal Noel. Here are super

805
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram thanks to you, and of course thanks

806
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: to our may Man guest producer Andrew Howard. You know

807
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: what I think if we're going to use the name

808
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: the Pineapple Kid, Andrew feels more like the Pineapple Kid

809
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: to mean, do you think he'd like that name? We

810
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: have to ask him. But he's pretty He's a pretty

811
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: agreeable fellow. He's way more chill than we are. He's

812
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: pretty chill. But yeah, I do like the Pineapple Kid.

813
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: But I do feel like it that it should be

814
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: reserved for some sort of hardened criminal or DJ. Yeah.

815
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean just it's like the inverse relationship between cute

816
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: names and threats in prison. Like if if you see

817
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: someone in prison and their name is like the death Dealer,

818
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: then you know what you're getting. But if you see

819
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: someone who's name like Spurfee or the Pineapple kid, run away, runaway, runaway,

820
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: or punched them right in the face first thing, when

821
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: you walk into the mess hall to exercise your dominance,

822
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: that's that's the that's what they tell you. That's prison

823
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Speaker 1: rules there, man, Ben, thank you of course. Uh. In

824
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: addition to Jonathan Strickling, the quister who I'm I'm been missing,

825
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I have any bad things to

826
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: say about him anymore. I just he doesn't come around

827
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: the knock anymore. I kind of missed him. I think maybe,

828
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: um my negative talk has kept him at bay. So

829
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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to woo him back to us

830
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: because I think we're ahead now. So I think I

831
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: maybe only cranky when we're behind in the quiz game. Yeah, well, uh,

832
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: I think we are one ahead because we had some

833
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: help from our research associate, gave Louizier. Remember it's right,

834
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: and we won, So come on, back at us, Come

835
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: at us, Strickland. We were ready for you. Huge thanks

836
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: to Alex Williams, who composed our theme. All the people,

837
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Speaker 1: all of you lovely ridiculous historians, joined the Facebook group

838
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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. You can talk to all your fellow history

839
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Speaker 1: bouts out there on the internet. Quick idea, Well, let's

840
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: let us know how you feel about this. Let's up

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00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: the stakes for the quister segment and say that the

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