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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: An horror. A young mom, Hillary dies as her plastic

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Speaker 2: surgeon hubby operates on her. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: The wife of a prominent Florida plastic surgeon dies in

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Speaker 2: an operating chair during multiple procedures performed by her husband.

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Speaker 2: What went wrong? What did go wrong? And why is

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Speaker 2: this young mom dead? Now? Is it appropriate to be

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Speaker 2: operating on your wife? I've got so many questions. Forget

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Speaker 2: the impropriety of operating on your wife, if that's even true,

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Speaker 2: she's dead. Are you supposed to be performing multiple procedures

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Speaker 2: all at the same time? What happened in this case?

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Speaker 3: Listen, not a little one police fire abolance, ambulance. We

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Speaker 3: have an unsabled patient. Okay, are you there with the

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Speaker 3: patient now? Yeah? Okay, we do have help on the way.

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Speaker 3: What exactly happened? She was having surgery to the posting

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Speaker 3: Thurdery outfits and he's unstable here think, Okay, she's she's done, honey,

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Speaker 3: the rest right now. Okay, we have we have help coming. Okay,

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Speaker 3: can you tell me what kind of operations she was getting?

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Speaker 3: A Domino IPO that transfer different. I don't know them

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Speaker 3: off the top of my head.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I don't know off the top of my head,

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Speaker 2: what are you supposed to have all of that done

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Speaker 2: at once? Joining me an all star panel including Molly

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Speaker 2: Barrow's investigative reporter Pittsacola News Journal and host podcast Gulf

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Speaker 2: Coast Confidential, which is awesome. But first I want to

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Speaker 2: go to special guests doctor Terry du brow uh star

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Speaker 2: in Botched and seven year stitch on e and the

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Speaker 2: author of Doctor and Missus Guinea Pig. Okay, I'll address

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Speaker 2: that later, but doctor J. Brow, I want to get

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Speaker 2: to your main line of work, and that is plastic surgery.

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Speaker 2: You are renowned. Are you supposed to perform that many?

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Speaker 2: First of all, I don't even know what the assistant

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Speaker 2: was saying, because all I get hurt here is in

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Speaker 2: the background, cardiac arrest, cardiac arrest. That's what got my attention.

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Speaker 2: But she was founding off a lot of procedures. Is

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Speaker 2: the patient's supposed to have all that done at once?

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Speaker 4: So it's extremely common to have all those procedures done

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Speaker 4: at once. You know the list of those procedures probably

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Speaker 4: only takes about three hours. Here's what happened in this case.

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Speaker 4: It has to be clarified, Nancy. This is a procedure

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Speaker 4: done under local anesthesia with the patient awake by the

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Speaker 4: patient's husband. You know, we have this expression in medicine,

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Speaker 4: familiarity breeds in competence and negligence. You need to keep

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Speaker 4: a professional distance between you and your patients. And that's

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Speaker 4: why it's discouraged. Unless it's a specialized procedure that you

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Speaker 4: happen to be the best in the world at, you

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Speaker 4: should not be operating on your relevance. Now in this case,

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Speaker 4: this is a clear cutcase of lytokane overdose. Lightocane overdose

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Speaker 4: is when you exceed the amount of local anesesia you

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Speaker 4: should give the patient and they become toxic. And what

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Speaker 4: happens is you get cardiac toxic se first you go

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Speaker 4: into seizures, then full cardiac arrests. The mistake is twofold here.

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Speaker 4: One this doctor clearly was negligent and gave too much

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Speaker 4: local anesthesia. And two, when he should have made a

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Speaker 4: prompt diagnosis and started early treatment, he didn't any delayed

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Speaker 4: calling nine to one one and for that that's why

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Speaker 4: his wife is no longer alive.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you are hearing from our friend and renowned plastic sergeant,

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Speaker 2: doctor Terry de Brow joining me right now. Now. It's

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Speaker 2: a very special guest. It's Marty Ellington. This is Hillary's father. Marty.

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Speaker 2: I am so sorry. I can't imagine. I have a

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Speaker 2: beautiful daughter just like you, and to me, she's completely perfect.

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Speaker 2: I don't want her to change anything.

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Speaker 4: Why.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when I look at Hillary, she's perfect. Why

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Speaker 2: did she have to have all this plastic surgery?

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Speaker 5: She didn't she was absolutely gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: What got in her mind that she needed plastic surgery?

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Speaker 6: I don't know if she seen other people have it

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know we What fuels me is every

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Speaker 6: wanted to make his perfect Megum.

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Speaker 2: Fox start write there, mister Ellington. Okay, I do not

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Speaker 2: like interrupting the father of a victim, But did you

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Speaker 2: just hear did you just say? Did I hear correctly

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Speaker 2: that the plastic surgeon husband, doctor Ben Brown wanted his

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Speaker 2: own perfect private Megan Fox, did you just say that?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it's me, but I love my husband just

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Speaker 2: him is he likes me just like I am. In fact,

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Speaker 2: he prefers me without all my fate here and makeup.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say that? Why would? That? Just breaks

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Speaker 2: my heart? Because Hillary beautiful on the inside and out,

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Speaker 6: Fox, I know, like I said, we hear these stories

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Speaker 6: every day and it just builds more and more.

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Speaker 5: That's that's probably the fuel that keeps me going.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 5: As much as we're hurt. Uh, my wife and I have,

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Speaker 5: our life has forever changed. Oh well, you know we

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Speaker 6: And we hear, you know, we hear these things about

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Speaker 5: Own and on and on.

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Speaker 5: That's what fuels us to keep going and fight for her.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at her before and after, and I think

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Speaker 2: whoever told you that was telling the truth because I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at her and she looks like a natural blonde,

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Speaker 2: completely natural beautiful out at the beach with their children.

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Speaker 2: And then when I look at the after she does,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand this, guys, I'm hearing in my ear.

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Speaker 2: We are just being joined by Brandy Fitzsimmons, a former

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Speaker 2: patient of the husband in question, doctor Ben Brown. Brandy,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I thank you, thank

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Speaker 2: you when you. I don't know if you can see

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Speaker 2: the before and after, but I gotta tell you, I

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Speaker 2: doesn't look real like I'm not gonna name a name,

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Speaker 2: but when I was a prosecutor, a famous movie star

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Speaker 2: and it lasted several days. And I've seen her on

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Speaker 2: the screen many times, but when I saw her in person,

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Speaker 2: the middle of her face. Of course, I never said anything,

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Speaker 2: but it didn't look right. I'm just a trial lawyer.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know how to describe this. Maybe doctor

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Speaker 2: du Brow can help me. But Brandy, what was your

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Speaker 2: I wonder why, Jackie, wonder why I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: come on answer my questions. But go ahead, Brandy, what happened?

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Speaker 7: I mean, from the get go my first consultation, I

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Speaker 7: to him. I attempted to make an appointment at another facility.

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Speaker 7: Long story, I ended up just bailing on that one.

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Speaker 7: So I continued with doctor Brown. He was very straightforward.

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Speaker 7: Showed him a couple of pictures of what I looked

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Speaker 7: like prior to kind of gaining my little stomach pooch,

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Speaker 7: and he kind of gave me this idea that I

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Speaker 7: abs and everything. It wasn't really funny, but I wasn't

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Speaker 7: looking for a comedian. I was looking for a surgeon

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Speaker 7: I didn't realize what I was going to get myself into.

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Speaker 7: The first procedure I had went into it was a hospital,

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Speaker 7: Baptist hospital in Pennscola. It was an extended tummy tuck

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Speaker 7: with muscle repair and plan in exchange, he was to

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Speaker 7: sea points they call him hit dips. That's all I

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Speaker 7: consented to, That's all I wanted. I have it in

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Speaker 7: writing three separate times, whether it was in text or

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Speaker 7: made it very very clear to him that was the

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Speaker 7: one procedure I did not want. I was happy with

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Speaker 7: when they pulled metal Core records, that's where they found

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Speaker 7: out he did, in fact give me the full BBL,

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Speaker 7: and every follow up appointment, every time I addressed concerns,

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Speaker 2: It'll go down.

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Speaker 7: It's only because the life though I did on your back,

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Speaker 7: it makes it look like your butt's a little bigger.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, he lied over and over and over and

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Speaker 7: then gave me the one procedure I did not want.

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Speaker 2: You're saying a BBL, I assume you're talking about a

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Speaker 2: Brazilian butt lift.

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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on to a moment too. Doctor Terry De Brow,

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Speaker 2: you ever seen the movie with goldiehorn And and Meryl

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Speaker 2: Streep It's called Death Becomes Her. Yes, they're also married

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Speaker 2: to a doctor and he performs all this plastic surgery

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Speaker 2: on them. Long story short, it's just that scared me

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Speaker 2: did you hear what Brandy Fitzimmons just said? I mean

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Speaker 2: Okay? What is a Brazilian butt lift?

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Speaker 4: don't have first hand information about exactly what this doctor did.

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Speaker 4: So I just want to state that qualification, okay, because

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Speaker 4: about the case based on knowledge I have. All Right,

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Speaker 4: A Brazilian button lift is where you take that one

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Speaker 4: part of the body you transfer into the buttock. It's

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Speaker 4: a very specific procedure happens to be the most dangerous

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Speaker 4: proceduring plastic surgery, with the greatest rate of fatality. In fact,

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Speaker 4: one in three thousand patients die from a Brazilian buttock lift,

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Speaker 4: and there's been a momiratorium on doing them to do it.

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Speaker 4: If it's true if a Brazilian was done on a

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Speaker 4: patient without their consent, well, that's battery, Okay, that's obviously

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Speaker 4: a violation of the standard of care, that's medical negligence.

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Speaker 4: But in this case, if I may not to disagree

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Speaker 4: with anyone, I'm not sure this case is really necessarily

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Speaker 4: about an indictment of plastic surgery in general. But the

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Speaker 4: fact that potentially in this case, the usual best practices

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Speaker 4: my opinion, this is a really big part of why

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Speaker 4: you shouldn't operate on your relatives, you shouldn't take care

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Speaker 4: of your family members, because you lose professional perspective and

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Speaker 4: you're not objective. In this case, I promise you had

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Speaker 4: these procedures been done by a doctor, a different doctor

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Speaker 4: who didn't necessarily know the patient, ninety nine times out

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Speaker 4: of one hundred, ninety nine nine times out of one hundred.

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Speaker 4: This would proceeded safely, you'd have it a live patient.

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Speaker 4: These are very very common procedures, whether you like them

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Speaker 4: or not, I completely understand. Look, I'm a star of

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Speaker 4: a TV show where we fix bad plastic surgery, so

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Speaker 4: I'm the unique plastic surgeon, and then I agree with

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Speaker 2: It's not so much that I don't like them, doctor

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Speaker 4: It's a massive violation. If it occurred, I read the

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Speaker 4: If plastic surgery is as dangerous as any other kind

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Speaker 9: Hillary Ellington Brown is in trouble in an operating room

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Speaker 2: Why why, that's what I want to know. Let's see

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Speaker 3: All on stop, I need one person to talk to me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she went coming a cockboatic, carothed. Okay, straight back

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Speaker 5: Uh, there's a defibrillator.

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Speaker 6: he's he's screaming for uh, for his stethoscope. He's screaming for,

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're telling me something I didn't know, mister Allington.

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Speaker 2: Guys with me as hillary'sday, Marty Ellington, I knew that

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Speaker 2: Okay, joining us and I started to go to her earlier,

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Speaker 2: Coast Confidential, Molly, thank you for being with us. What

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 12: According to numerous reports, including the Santoris Sheriff's Office, the

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Speaker 12: Hillary died in November. So what we do know fort

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Speaker 12: In Center, as the Sheriff's office, is that, just like

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Speaker 11: Failed to call on one line. He didn't have live

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Speaker 12: Equipment on hand, and as a result of that and

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Speaker 12: He didn't follow basic standard of care and as a result,

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Speaker 12: Hillary Brown coded and died. She had a cardiac arrest

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Speaker 12: She didn't got up and suture her. She was futured herself.

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Speaker 11: At one point she got up and walked.

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Speaker 1: Around crime Stories with Nancy.

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Speaker 2: She sutured herself.

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Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am, She's sutured herself.

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Speaker 12: That's according to the Florida Department of Health's investigation.

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Speaker 11: Which by the way, came out after her death. So

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Speaker 12: Numerous other former patients had ben Brown, like Brandy herself,

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Speaker 11: They had been complaining for a long time.

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Speaker 12: There's currently litigation against Ben Brown for basically box surgeries

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Speaker 12: I talked to another woman, Jane Hawkins. She had the

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Speaker 12: same thing. There's improper wound care. There are so many

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Speaker 11: So going back to her walking around.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's basically what the Department help was saying as

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Speaker 11: So they did things in you know.

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Speaker 11: She mixed it herself. They had two IV fags, I

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Speaker 12: But after the tummy touch procedure, the fat removal of

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Speaker 11: And he didn't stop. Instead, he asked for more basically

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Speaker 11: So there's a lot to a Nancy.

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Speaker 12: I don't need to run on and on and on,

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Speaker 2: Molly Barrows, you are not running on and on, although

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Speaker 2: and for what And Molly Barrows isn't just again stating

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Speaker 6: There has been for what we understand, there has been

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Speaker 6: talking about murder. Fifty thousand dollars and the judge's response

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Speaker 5: You know, we feel one hundred percent violated.

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Speaker 6: If the Department of Health would have paid attention to

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Speaker 5: They had investigated this.

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Speaker 9: Plastic surgeon doctor Ben Brown arrested in the Bunched cosmetic

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Botched, joining me, Doctor Terry de Brow and

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, don't go away, because I need to talk

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Speaker 2: to you about how to build this case. Doctor de

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Speaker 2: He's also an author and a renowned plastic surgeon. Did

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Speaker 2: you hear what Molly Barrows just reported? Did you hear that?

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to throw her off by interrupting her

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Speaker 2: But a lot of the things she was saying takes

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Nancy, I have. I'm a certified expert for the

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Speaker 4: married to a plastic surgeon or works in a plastic

437
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: surgeon's office. When you look at the vibe that you

438
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: get in the narrative from the video you're showing the pictures,

439
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 4: there was sort of a generalized lack of seriousness in

440
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 4: that practice you see on her white codin. I'm not

441
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 4: victim shamed. I feel very sorry for the patient. I

442
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 4: feel sorry for the doctor. I feel sorry for the father,

443
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 4: of course, but doctor Hillary's ass that's a joke on

444
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 4: ass in assistance. But there's sort of a generalized lack

445
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 4: of seriousness in this practice, and she was having a

446
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 4: very significant medical proceder done not in an operating room,

447
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 4: not even in a local procedure room, but in a

448
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 4: med spaw. It appears where there's zero emergency equipment and

449
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: zero ability to resuscitate the patient, making it even more

450
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: important that you call for nine to one one help

451
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: right away. But at the end of the day, this

452
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 4: is more common than people realize. I currently have about

453
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: three or four cases right now I'm reviewing for the

454
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 4: Medical Board where a doctor had a patient who was

455
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 4: doing very poorly and one or two of them waited

456
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: over three hours before calling rescue before calling nine to

457
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 4: one one. And those doctors, one here in California, one

458
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 4: in Arizona, have also been indicted and arrested for murder

459
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 4: for the same reason, for such wanton disregard for normal

460
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 4: medical practices, because that's what it's all about. You're not

461
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 4: going to show malicious intent. I'm not a lawyer, but

462
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 4: I do a lot of medical legal work. But this

463
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 4: is so reckless and so beyond the pale, that it's

464
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: like an involuntary manslaughter.

465
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Speaker 2: You know, doctor G.

466
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: Brow.

467
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: And I'm going to go to Robert Crispin on this,

468
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: following up on what Debrow said. Robert Crispin, famous private investigator,

469
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: former federal Task Force for the US Department of Justice

470
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: and work extensively there in Florida with a DEA Miami

471
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: Field Division now owns Crispin Special Investigations. Robert we heard

472
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: earlier that well, the dad told us he didn't even

473
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: have a stethoscope. Then a reporter says that her vision

474
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: was blurring, that she was seeing orange, that her legs

475
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: were twitching, There was no defibrillator, no oxygen on hand.

476
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 2: Now we find out about more questionable procedures. A lot

477
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: of times, when you get to a crime scene, you

478
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: can find the front door wide open, the windows open,

479
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: the back door open, everybody's gone. Nobody wants to testify

480
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: to what happened. Right. How many times have you had

481
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: to sneak around to a back door like me as

482
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: a prosecutor and go trying to bay people to tell

483
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 2: me what they saw. How do you put humpty dumpty

484
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: back together again? Do you really think these assistants and

485
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: nurses are going to testify against the doctor?

486
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 7: Yeah?

487
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I do.

488
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 8: As a matter of fact, that nine to one one

489
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 8: call shows the complete chaos that was going on inside

490
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 8: that office at that time. Bad decision after bad decision

491
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 8: after bad decision, all coming together to be gross negligence.

492
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 8: Each of these interviews, if I was the investigator on

493
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 8: this particular case, each one of my interviews geared towards

494
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 8: every single.

495
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 11: Employee in there.

496
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 8: I want to know how this happened before. Why doesn't

497
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 8: he have this? Each one of these things are going

498
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 8: to build up my negligence case against the doctor. Like

499
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 8: the doctor says that spoke a couple of minutes ago.

500
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 8: You don't work on your family. You just don't work

501
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 8: on relatives. And I tell you that because on a

502
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 8: flight coming back at thirty eight thousand feet, I had

503
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 8: a relative had an incident in flight and I completely

504
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 8: vapor locked. And I deal with emergency situations all the time,

505
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 8: and I for a minute lost it, and I brought

506
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 8: it back together. We did what we need to do.

507
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 8: We got the plane down and my relative lived. So

508
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 8: you know, to put this case together, it's putting itself together.

509
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 8: That Department of Health report is going to be a

510
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 8: big deal in the prosecution. Those people in that room

511
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 8: are going to be key witnesses to what happened. Listen,

512
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 8: you can either be part of the problem or you

513
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 8: can be part of the solution. And I guarantee you

514
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 8: each one of those assistants have lawyered up and they've

515
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 8: gotten to the port where the lawyer has come forward

516
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 8: and go, Mike.

517
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: Client will talk to you. What do you want to talk,

518
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: the assistant will talk to you.

519
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 8: What do you want to know in lure? Are charging

520
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 8: my assistant because don't forget, he didn't do this all

521
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 8: on himself. These nurses, these certified nurses, these licensed nurses,

522
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 8: they have.

523
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: A duty to react as well.

524
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 5: They have a duty to report as well.

525
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 8: So this case is going to systematically go through court

526
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 8: and conviction is easily taken in this particular case, easily.

527
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

528
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Back to Brandy Fitzsimmons, a former patient of doctor Brown,

529
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 2: and let me assure you we invited him on. He

530
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: did not want to answer your questions, Brandy or mine

531
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: when you confronted him about performing a Brazilian butt lift

532
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: on you, which he specifically did not want. What did

533
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: he say that.

534
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 7: We didn't I didn't have one. It was over and over.

535
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 7: My husband was at i think every apployment except one,

536
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 7: and every time we would question it, assure me that

537
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 7: I did not have one, that it was just swelling swelling,

538
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 7: and that I've gained weight.

539
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: Did you or did you not? How have you confirmed

540
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: that you actually had a Brazilian butt lift?

541
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 7: It's in my medical records. When they pulled the medical

542
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 7: records and it shows the eleven hundred milli leaders. I

543
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 7: think that's the right into.

544
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: Each Okay, hold on, just a moment to doctor Terry

545
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: de Brow, what is she saying? Explain it to me.

546
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: So what she's saying is that this doctor took fat

547
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: from one part of the body, was supposed to put

548
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: it in it sounds like the hip tips on the sides,

549
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 4: and ended up putting it right into the butticck instead,

550
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: in a very large volume in the buttock. If what

551
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 4: you say is true, eleven hundred ccs, so that is

552
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: a Brazilian butt lift. If it was not consented for,

553
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: it was unauthorized, it is medical battery. It's one of

554
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: the worst things you can do. It's called a never

555
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: event in plastic surgery. I think it's important to understand

556
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 4: obviously the practices of this doctor were not where you'd

557
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: want them to be. There was sort of a lack

558
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: of seriousness.

559
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: Doctor du Brown. Of course, I'm just a JD. You're

560
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: the MD. But you keep saying his practices were not

561
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: what you want them to be. She's dead and my world,

562
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: that's murder. Now. Earlier you said something about no malicious intent.

563
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: You don't have to have malicious intent and other words,

564
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: I'll walk into the studio where you are right now,

565
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: and I go, I'm going to kill this guy. I've

566
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: had it with him, and I take a gun out

567
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: and I say, I'm shooting you dead. That is explicit

568
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: evidence that I have nefarious intent known under the law

569
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: as mensrea, the intent to perform the act and I

570
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: pull the trigger. You don't need that under the law

571
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: to perform to prove a murder. Number one, it could

572
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: actually be a murder one under extreme abandoned and malignant heart.

573
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: For instance, I take my car, my minivan, and I

574
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: drive it through an outdoor festival a ninety mph and

575
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: I plow down five people and kill them. No, I

576
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: didn't say I'm going to kill ABC D and E.

577
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: But I did such an abandoned and malignant act with

578
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: no care for human life that it equals murder under

579
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: the law. Is a depraved heart. Or I could go

580
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: with felony murder. He's commanding a felony and somebody dies

581
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: during that felony, whether he intended it or not. There's

582
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: just so many ways to go with a criminal charge here.

583
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 4: No, I don't disagree and I'm certainly not going to

584
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: argue the law with someone who's an expert like you.

585
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, when it's done,

586
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: when there is sort of a death in the practice

587
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 4: of medicine, okay, typically the doctor is trying to do

588
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 4: something positive rather than something negative. But in this case,

589
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: when you add up all of the wanton disregard for

590
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: normal medical practices, the level of recklessness, I agree with you,

591
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 4: could rise to a very high level of sort of

592
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: a murder charge. But this case, in many ways, the

593
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: sum total of the factors involved in this case rise

594
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: to the level of severe incompetence. He knew or should

595
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 4: known that these things added together would have led potentially

596
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 4: to a mortality like it did. So it's a very

597
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: high level of involuntary matslaughter.

598
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 9: I would think the wife of a prominent Florida plastic

599
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 9: surgeon dies in an operating chair during multiple procedures performed

600
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 9: by her husband, what went wrong?

601
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: While the doctor would not come on to speak with us,

602
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: a crisis management public relations team did issue a statement

603
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: saying Brown denies all accusations of wrong doing. Okay, stethoscope,

604
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: no oxygen, no defibrillator. You know what to Marty Ellington,

605
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: diss is Hillary's dad. The other day, my children went

606
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: on a college tour with their school, and I went

607
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: there over their objections. Of course, when they left on

608
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 2: the bus, I went right up to the bus driver

609
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: as started a conversation and went I had to smell

610
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: his breath to make sure he hadn't been drinking before

611
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: my children getting that bus and drive away. He smelled fine.

612
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: That said, this guy was no more prepared to do surgery.

613
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: If it's true, he didn't have his stethoscope, oxygen or defibrillator.

614
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: And if it's true they delayed calling nine one one,

615
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: it makes me wonder, mister Ellington, did they not want

616
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: authorities to find out about any wrongdoings such as her

617
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: administering her own drugs and suturing stitching up her own self.

618
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: That's not right. Why delay?

619
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: Why the delay?

620
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: Her life could have been saved. When you are hearing

621
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: all of this, Marty, what is going through your mind?

622
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: How are her children without their mommy?

623
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 5: Well, we try to shelter from a lot of it.

624
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: We had to break the news to them. It's kind

625
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 5: of hard.

626
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 6: We told him that mommy was sick and it didn't

627
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 6: look good. And this was just before she passed away.

628
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 6: Because we knew that uh indelibly what was going to

629
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 6: happen uh from the media. Uh, you know, we we

630
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 6: kind of keep it away. And I'm sure that that

631
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 6: as as smart as they are, our friend Google is

632
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 6: gonna uh They're going to search one day and the

633
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 6: truth is going to come out that we have an

634
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 6: emergency meeting, I guess. But for a for an eight

635
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 6: year old, more than anything to have to compartmentalize, you know,

636
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 6: the loss of her mother, and she's not getting information.

637
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 5: Uh she's not asking. You know that breaks your heart.

638
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 7: You know when you.

639
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 5: When you talk about.

640
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 6: His his care and we talked about nurses. Uh, none

641
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 6: of the people on his staff were nurses. Nobody was

642
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 6: was registered care. The most skilled person in the house

643
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 6: other than the doctor was a medical assistant.

644
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: On her fourth day.

645
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 6: Uh, there was no no one there that could minister

646
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 6: medical care. I mean, you know in Nancy, this this

647
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: this goes on and on. Uh Uh from from the

648
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 6: care and negligent they you know, they had a volt relationship.

649
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 5: Uh. So you know quickly when I called Molly, it

650
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 5: was an eye.

651
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 6: Opener that the second day we were in the hospital,

652
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 6: and he tells, he says to me that he's going

653
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 6: to close his practice. He's going to file bankruptcy. He's

654
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 6: going to file for long term disability and sell everything

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Speaker 6: he's got and buy a new vehicle before.

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Speaker 5: His credit tanks.

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Speaker 6: You know, how do you have the wherewithal when you

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Speaker 6: know we're we're faithful people.

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Speaker 5: We're praying every day that she's going to pull through.

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Speaker 5: And he's already laid out.

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Speaker 6: A sequence of events that that he's going to scape

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Speaker 6: free from this.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Uh so this y'ad.

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Speaker 6: I didn't want to go down a rabbit hole, but

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Speaker 6: quickly I called Molly and I said, you know, there

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Speaker 6: could be more.

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Speaker 5: To this thing than just oops, I messed up.

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Speaker 2: Guys, if you agree with me that there was a huge,

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Speaker 2: huge dereliction of duty by the Department of Health, you

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Speaker 2: know who you can call. Okay, you got to get

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Speaker 2: them away from a microphone for five minutes. But the

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Speaker 2: governor of Florida, DeSantis eight five zero seven one seven

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Speaker 2: nine three three seven, let's see what he'll do. Eight

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Speaker 2: five zero seven one seven nine three three seven. The

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Speaker 2: age there Ashley Moody eight six six nine six six

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Speaker 2: seven two two six let your voice be heard. Stand

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Speaker 2: up for Hillary. She can't speak for herself. Her children

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Speaker 2: are babies, they cannot speak for her. We wait as

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Speaker 2: justice unfolds. And let me remind everyone that, as of

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Speaker 2: right now, doctor Ben Brown has not been accused of

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Speaker 2: any crime such as homicide. He's not a POI person

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Speaker 2: of interest in a homicide. Thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 2: b Is E. Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,