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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: American witch Melissa Saint Clair grew up in the backwoods

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Speaker 2: of Massachusetts and was raised on nature magic. She was

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Speaker 2: taught to communicate with animals, plants, and fairies by her grandmother.

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Speaker 2: She began reading tarot cards at the age of twelve,

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Speaker 2: studied WICCA in high school. Melissa, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, George. It is such an honor to be here.

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Speaker 2: You sound like a good witch.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I try to be.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think witchcraft is so distorted? I mean

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Speaker 2: going back to I mean you were raised in Massachusetts, Salem, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: where they burned witches at the stake for crying out

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Speaker 2: loud what happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I really think it has a lot

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Speaker 3: to do with control, to be honest. You know, when

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Speaker 3: it comes to being a witch and practicing witchcraft, we

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Speaker 3: have a direct connection to source. And you know it's

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Speaker 3: hard to control a person when they have direct connection

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Speaker 3: to source. You know, witches are free thinkers, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we oftentimes create our own paths in life. We create

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Speaker 3: our own futures and things like that. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I feel like in order for you know, certain authoritative,

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Speaker 3: you know, people to be to keep their control, they

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Speaker 3: would have to kind of get people to not have

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Speaker 3: that direct connection to tell them that they need mediators,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a pastor or a priest or what have you.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not putting down any religion whatsoever, but I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying I think that's why they ultimately tried to

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Speaker 3: say that witches were bad, you know, because they wanted

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Speaker 3: to control people.

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Speaker 2: Now, you call yourself an American, which thirty what does

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Speaker 2: that mean?

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, it means a lot of different things. You know,

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Speaker 3: I am American born and bred, and you know, I

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Speaker 3: have ancestors dating back to the Pilgrim times, and you know,

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Speaker 3: so I really wanted to honor that side of it.

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Speaker 3: And the beauty of being an American witch is, you know,

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Speaker 3: America is a melting pot. You know, for eons people

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Speaker 3: have come here from all over the world, and I

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Speaker 3: feel like that creates this really interesting vibe, this really

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Speaker 3: interesting collective of beliefs and practices and cultures, and that

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Speaker 3: giant melting pot of all these different people coming together

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Speaker 3: and bring all the things that they believe in. It

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Speaker 3: creates something new. It all combines and becomes a new thing.

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Speaker 3: And so that's kind of why American Witch. And then

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Speaker 3: the which part, of course, because I consider myself a witch,

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Speaker 3: you know, and to me, to be a witch is

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Speaker 3: a beautiful thing. It's a natural thing. It's authentic and genuine.

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Speaker 3: And then the thirteen, well, thirteen is a lucky number

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Speaker 3: for witches.

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Speaker 2: You know, when people hear you're a witch, do they

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Speaker 2: freak out?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes? My grandma freaks out. I mean I love her,

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Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but she's she's very Catholic, and

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Speaker 3: she tried to, you know, get my parents to raise

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Speaker 3: me Catholic, but my parents were agnostic. But you know,

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Speaker 3: she still is weirded out by it. She'll say things like,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, Grandma, it pays better than any job

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Speaker 3: I've ever had in my life. But you know, and

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Speaker 3: it also also makes me happier than any job or

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Speaker 3: anything else I've ever done in my life. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I try to just remind people that, you know, being

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Speaker 3: a witch is like anything else. You know, it can

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Speaker 3: be good and it can be bad because it's not

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Speaker 3: about the witch craft. Witchcraft in and of itself is

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Speaker 3: entirely neutral, just like energy, you know, just like the sunshine.

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Speaker 3: But anything can be used for good or for bad.

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Speaker 3: You can get a sunburn, but you can also grow crops.

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Speaker 3: So it's more how do you use the energy? Are

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Speaker 3: you using it to help people? Are you using it

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Speaker 3: to you know, raise up humanity, or are you using it,

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Speaker 3: you know, just for you know, hurting people or something

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Speaker 3: like that. I personally prefer to not do that, you know.

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Speaker 3: And then there's personal gain as well, which is kind

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Speaker 2: You mentioned source. I'm going to assume that you believe

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Speaker 2: in a higher power. I do.

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Speaker 3: I do, And I'm going to be honest. There was

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Speaker 3: a period in my life where I was an atheist.

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Speaker 3: I I went through a strange time I I I'll

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Speaker 3: be honest. I was diagnosed with severe well with social anxiety,

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Speaker 3: and I was medicated, and sadly, I had a horrible

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Speaker 3: complete and total nervous breakdown and I had to seek

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Speaker 3: I know, Melissa, that was I want to say about

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm obviously much better now, but you know,

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Speaker 3: when that was happening, I during that time, I had

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Speaker 3: psychiatrists and shrinks and everything that I went to. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can't say like I talked to fairies when I

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Speaker 3: was a kid. They'll lock you up for the rest

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Speaker 3: of your life. So I went through this phase where

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Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, fine, nothing is nothing that I

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Speaker 3: can't touch with my hands and feel. This solid isn't real.

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Speaker 3: And I really believe this for a period of time.

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Speaker 3: And then I had a very bizarre experience happened to me,

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Speaker 3: of my grandmother, things that I turned my back on

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Speaker 3: for a decade. And that one is a dear friend

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Speaker 3: of mine named Amy Wallace, who was a best selling author,

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Speaker 3: the daughter of Irving Wallace, also a best selling author. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: Amy passed away very suddenly, and I did not take

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Speaker 3: it well. She was I loved that woman. She was

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Speaker 3: a mentor to me. And right after I got the

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Speaker 3: And as I was on my knees sobbing, so uncontrollably

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, I felt a hand touched my shoulder

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Speaker 3: it was like, ah, it was like this beautiful energy

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Speaker 3: Amy's voice, and she said, it's okay, Melissa, I'm not

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Speaker 3: in pain anymore. And from that moment on, everything was

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Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, they can. It's not

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Speaker 3: So she would joke that I was doing Carlos's exercises. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I can talk back to them.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I want to know it all. I

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Speaker 2: George, what is your definition? When someone says, so you're

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Speaker 2: practicing which what are you? What do you tell them?

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Speaker 3: Well, George, I tell them that I always have rocks

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Speaker 3: that my practice is sort of eclectic. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: Now you do spell crafting, what is that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So spell crafting is basically like prayer with fun accessories.

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Speaker 3: So I'll have clients who will book me through the

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Speaker 3: I I've done some recently for people who were owed money.

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Speaker 3: and I can say that successfully worked, and I was

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Speaker 3: you know, boost something within themselves. Those are my favorites.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes it's for love. Love can be the tricky ones, though.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever cast a spell on someone to harm

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Speaker 3: maybe you're protecting someone somehow, maybe you're stopping a domestic

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Speaker 3: But I personally shy away from them.

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Speaker 2: So you don't put curses on people, ah, heck no.

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Speaker 3: But I do study them. I do read about them.

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Speaker 2: Do they work? Do curses work?

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Speaker 3: And no, you know it's honestly the thing that I've

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Speaker 3: In my practice is a lot of people curse themselves

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like a mine over matter thing, like

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Speaker 2: Usually fascinating. Now you've got the documentary series called Secrets

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Speaker 3: basically just asked them to talk about what witchcraft meant

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Speaker 3: who is the High Priestess of the ked Kevin, and

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Speaker 2: And you've got a book I'll call thirty Real Signs

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, that book was kind of a strange thing.

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Speaker 3: boil it down to very easy, practical steps people can follow.

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Speaker 3: It's a small book. You could read it in one sitting.

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Speaker 3: that I've noticed that people struggle with when they deal

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's absolutely true. Is the spirit world something that

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Speaker 2: we should be afraid of?

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Speaker 3: she would be like, you know, it's not real. It's

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Speaker 3: But what I've come to sort of realize is is

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