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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever

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Speaker 1: you are listening, you are having a good week. The

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Speaker 1: this has to be one of the best week's Braves

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Speaker 1: But it's always good to be with you, and this

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Speaker 1: time around, it's a very special show. It is a

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Speaker 1: three man show. It is the second edition of the

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Speaker 1: Braves Trade Deadline Preview and there are no better There's

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Speaker 1: no better duo in my opinion to enjoy this show

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Speaker 1: with than one Scott Coleman and Steven Tolbert Scott. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while since Coleman and Coleman Law Firm have

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Speaker 1: joined together. How are you, sir? Always a pleasure to talk.

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Speaker 2: With you, Sean. I'm doing really well and you know

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Speaker 2: this is kind of historic, this episode we're about to do,

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Speaker 2: because we've been doing a podcast both here and at

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Speaker 2: Battery Power and Talking Chop back in the day, we've

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Speaker 2: done a lot of trade deadline talk. But really, since

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Speaker 2: the inception of this original podcast, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: the Braves have ever really been in a selling spot.

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Speaker 2: So this is uncharted territory. A lot of players, a

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Speaker 2: lot of names, are gonna get to tonight, but should

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Speaker 2: be a fun show. And who knows, maybe the Braves

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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. I think at this point

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Speaker 1: On the table, absolutely, and we're going to cover all

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Speaker 1: of that. And again, as always, it's always great to

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Speaker 1: hear Scott's perspective. Right up there is Steven Torbert again

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Speaker 1: two of the best when it comes to covering the Braves. Steven, buddy,

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure to be with you. How are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to some trade conversations with you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up, buddy. It's always good to do these.

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Speaker 3: It's always good to do three Men show. You know,

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Speaker 3: we famously did the Three Men Show around the trade

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Speaker 3: deadline last year when we all did the emergency pod

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Speaker 3: when they traded for Jorge Solaier and Luke Jackson. And

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Speaker 3: twelve months later, what a different vibe that we have

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Speaker 3: where we're not expecting that quite honestly, you know, they

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Speaker 3: helping the playoffs. We're not expecting that, and it's just

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Speaker 3: the nature of where they are, and so it's a

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Speaker 3: much different conversation than we ever thought we would have,

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Speaker 3: you know, three months ago, but it's a needed conversation.

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Speaker 3: They are sellers and they have some pieces that have

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Speaker 3: least pursuing. So it's time to have this episode. The

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Speaker 3: deadline is right up, you know, now that we're past

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And the thing is is that I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: go ahead and let you know, and we're excited for

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Speaker 1: be a lengthy episode because we're gonna be thir We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be transparent because this is new territory. It's uncharted

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Speaker 1: territory in the Alex and Thopless era where the Braves

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Speaker 1: are likely going to be sellers. Which they need to be.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get into more of that in just a second.

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Speaker 1: Do want to remind you that we have a great

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Speaker 1: before we get into the trade deadline discussion, a few

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Speaker 1: news and notes and it is good to report and Stephen,

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Speaker 1: It was reported that the Braves, after going under slot

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Speaker 1: And you hit on that point, It's going to be

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Speaker 1: You want to have that excitement there. And I'm speaking

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Speaker 1: to have that anticipation. But Steven, you kind of alluded

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Speaker 1: It's a miracle set up. Just Steven Moore thought that

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Speaker 3: and those by themselves are substantial hurdles and listen, we

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Speaker 1: And Scott to that point, I think you know now

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Speaker 2: So look looking at it earlier today, actually knowing we

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Speaker 2: So I think what you just said, Sean was perfect.

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Speaker 2: It's tried and true economics, one on one supplying demand.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything to debate. The Braves

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Speaker 3: That let me ask you guys, let me ask you

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Speaker 2: I think Alex wants to believe it, but I'm not

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Speaker 3: Like, doesn't it feel like you could just like semantically

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Speaker 3: Well you could say Pierce Johnson only has one year

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Speaker 3: I've listened to those reports and I heard Alex say it,

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Speaker 1: It would be a mistake like that would be that

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Speaker 3: He's the most likely expiring deal, proven closer if they're

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this there, the Breas should be volunteering

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Speaker 3: that's a silly way to approach it. I would I would.

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Speaker 3: I would seriously hope they are aggressive in offering to

433
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Speaker 3: pay down, if not all, at least most of the

434
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Speaker 3: contracts for A Glaciers and Azuna to try to increase

435
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Speaker 3: whatever package they're going to get back.

436
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Speaker 1: And the other thing that stands out with the Glaciers

437
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Speaker 1: is that I know that we taught we hear about

438
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: some of these relievers that could be under control, and

439
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: that's why teams may look to acquire them at the deadline.

440
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Speaker 1: But the one thing that the Glacius has that maybe

441
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Speaker 1: not out there with a lot of relievers is his

442
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: track record. And we're talking about a track record of

443
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: a decade plus of being an elite closer. Now you

444
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: don't really have a long track record being in the playoffs,

445
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Speaker 1: but you have the consistency of him being able to

446
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: get the job done. And even if he's not the closer,

447
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: he's someone that can be an elite setup man as well.

448
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: So there's a versatile arm there that could do a

449
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: good job versus against right hander and left handed hitters.

450
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Speaker 1: No big enough moment for him to enter in. He

451
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Speaker 1: could be your main guy, or he could be one

452
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Speaker 1: of a committee. So I think there's versatility there. And

453
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Speaker 1: as Scott brought up, it's just been a I don't

454
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Speaker 1: think he's allowed to run in six weeks. You know,

455
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Speaker 1: we were talking about that last year with how good

456
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Speaker 1: he was, So I think with the track record and

457
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Speaker 1: again that experience of there being no too big of

458
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: a moment to where he can get the job done.

459
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Speaker 1: I think that's going to matter for someone who truly

460
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Speaker 1: is going after it this year. I think that the Braves,

461
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Speaker 1: you know, not only could trade him, but also could

462
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Speaker 1: potentially get a relevant package back for what he could

463
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Speaker 1: bring to a contender. He could be a difference maker

464
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Speaker 1: of the lady.

465
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth, Sean.

466
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's just say this, of all the players

467
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about tonight, short of the Braves

468
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: shocking us or maybe not shocking that's a little strong,

469
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: but surprising us with a Sean Murphy trade in the

470
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: next two weeks, or maybe even a Grant Holmes trade,

471
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Speaker 2: which we're gonna speculate on for here for a minute.

472
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Speaker 2: But other than Iglacias, I don't think the return on

473
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Speaker 2: any player they trade in the next two weeks is

474
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Speaker 2: going to blow us away. They should still make that trade,

475
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: because you never know. Sometimes the tools the eighteen year

476
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: old turns into an impact player in a few years.

477
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Speaker 2: But I think it's we're saying, you know, they're not

478
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: trading sale. I mean sure, if you want to trade

479
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: Sale and your other star level players, they could restock

480
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: this farm in a hurry. But I do think Iglesias,

481
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: especially if they're willing to eat down some of his money,

482
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: if not all of it, they could get like a

483
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: legitimately good prospect for arguably the best reliever on the market,

484
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 2: if not one of the top five. Who also you

485
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: know you can hand the ball to in the ninth

486
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 2: inning and he's not going to turtle up and not

487
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: know what to do.

488
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Speaker 1: And I think that that's another point that makes sense

489
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: as well, Scott, is that when we talk about breaking

490
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: these potential trade trade target for other teams players the

491
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: Braves could trade into segments, they're also when you're breaking

492
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: them into segments, I think that it's important to decipher

493
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: that there's likely going to be different levels of returns

494
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: the Braves are going to be looking to get. When

495
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: you're looking to trade into Glacias Montaro as well as

496
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: an Azuna, part of the value in moving them is

497
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: opening up opportunity for your younger players that you've already got,

498
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: So I think that you're going to look to trade

499
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: them more for that future, more for those long term prospects.

500
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: If you were to trade players under control, you're probably

501
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: looking to get back more players who can help out immediately.

502
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: So that's what makes these people, these Iglesias Montero as

503
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: well as Ozuna a bit more sensible to move, is

504
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: that you're going to be more willing to accept prospects

505
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: that may be lower level prospects that will help in

506
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: the future in those moves.

507
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Speaker 3: And the last thing ilse on to Galacius is this

508
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: is as much as analytics have taken over the game,

509
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: one thing that I thought would have been gone by

510
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 3: now that is still very much in play in baseball

511
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: is dedicated proven closers are still valued. Like if you

512
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: had asked me fifteen years ago what position might not

513
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: even be around anymore, I would have told you a

514
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: dedicated proven closer. I just assume by now teams would

515
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: have just gone to matchups and a bunch of really

516
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: good relievers and we just, you know, whichever one we

517
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: feel best about that night is who we use. That

518
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: does not happen at all. Managers still love proven closers,

519
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: and you know that's what Aglaciers has going for him.

520
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: If you look at the other sellers, you know the

521
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: Twins with Duran might be the only other one where

522
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: you're like, all right, this guy would be like a

523
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: true weapon as a proven closer. It's not clear they're

524
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: gonna sell, and it's not clear they're gonna trade him,

525
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: but like, that's a that's a that's a factor that

526
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 3: matters that I wouldn't have guess mattered, you know, ten

527
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 3: years ago, but it still does. It's still a part

528
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: of the game that is very much alive. And these

529
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: managers love, love love veteran proven closers, especially in the playoffs.

530
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: So it should help the Braves at least get something

531
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Speaker 3: for Rossiel.

532
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: Of course, the next name to discuss, you know, just briefly,

533
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: would be Raffia on Montaro, who the Braves got earlier

534
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: this year. And I know they got him when they

535
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: themselves were looking to really try to kind of you know,

536
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: even out their bullpen, bring it some stability. You know,

537
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: he was traded for a reason. You know, Montero this

538
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: year is owed fourteen million dollars. He himself is oh

539
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: two million less than what Iglesias is making, but the

540
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: Astros are willing to eat eleven million to trade him.

541
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Speaker 1: Earlier this year, he came in, got off to a

542
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: rough start. Definitely is a risk when it comes to

543
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: the walks, But much like Iglesias, he has taken on

544
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: a bigger role in this bullpen, and he himself is

545
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: stabilized quite a bit. I don't think that he's a

546
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: high leverage reliever. I don't necessarily think that he's someone

547
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: that will be even on a playoff roster potentially, But

548
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a middle relief option that can

549
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: help get you there, if you're a team clearly vying

550
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: for the playoffs, there's something to be said about acquiring

551
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: an arm like Montero. Don't think the return is going

552
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: to be that relevant or anything such as that, but

553
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: it makes sense for the Braves to move on for

554
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: them with base off how they got it?

555
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And I think you know, of all the

556
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: players are going to say tonight, Rafael Montero almost certainly

557
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: has the least amount of trade value attached to his name.

558
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: But if your bullpen just absolutely sucks, like the Diamondbacks

559
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: bullpen is so so so bad every night they blow it, well,

560
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: you know what, Rafael Montaro would probably be the fourth

561
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: best arm in that bullpen right now, So would the

562
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks to be willing to give up a tools the

563
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: eighteen year old who has a big arm and some

564
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: poppy even if he strikes out forty percent of the time. Maybe,

565
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: And if you're the Braves and you very very likely

566
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: not going to need Rafael Montero after September thirtieth, do

567
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: it you save a little money. Who knows, maybe you

568
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: could use that position prospect or pitching prospect in the

569
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: offseason to swing a different deal. I mean, there's there's

570
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: really no downside of moving on for Montero and trying

571
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: to capitalize on him being legitimately good now for the

572
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: last month.

573
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked it up. I was surprised. Listen, I

574
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: was low on Montero, and I'm fine admitting I was wrong.

575
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: He's much better than I thought he would be, and

576
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: he got off to a really bad start. But since

577
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: coming over to Atlanta, he's got a FIP of like

578
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: three point thirty eight in an era like in the

579
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: mid threes. So he's been fine. And he again, he's

580
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: a veteran, he's got experience. Listen, you know he pitched

581
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 3: out of that Houston bullpen. Houston was in the World Series.

582
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: Every other year. So like dude has got just you know,

583
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: bags and bags of experience. I mean, he's he's he's proven.

584
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: So again, like Scott said, you're not gonna get much,

585
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get anything crazy, But that's a guy.

586
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: That's a guy one hundred percent you need to move

587
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: like there is absolutely no reason. You know, Montarioglaziers and

588
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: Ozuna are the three guys. There's a reason they're in

589
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: this first tier. Those are three guys that need to

590
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: be traded unless you just unless you're getting absolutely nothing.

591
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: And maybe from Azuna's perspective it's a little different. We're

592
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: going to talk about him, but Montero and Iglesias, those

593
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: guys need to be gone on August.

594
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: First, looking at Marcelo Zuna, the biggest name that makes

595
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: the most sense for the Braves to move, obviously, we

596
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a hint that it seems

597
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: like the Braves are starting that transition. You had multiple

598
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: starts of Sean Murphy as well as Drake bald Went

599
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: in the lineup against the Cardinals, So it seems like

600
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: that the Braves are kind of turning that page, ready

601
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: to embrace seeing what that combo would look like. In

602
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: the lineup, and that's really what makes sense. You know,

603
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: with Marcelo Zuna. Part of the value and potentially moving

604
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: on from him, is you really get a glimpse into

605
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: the future. Can that, Drake Bald when Sean Murphy Combo

606
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: be something you could rely on not only this year

607
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: but into the future. Of course, Ozuna still has the

608
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: potential to be a difference making that, But Scott, there's

609
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: a couple other factors in here. Many people have alluded

610
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: to it. There are ten to five rights with Ozuna

611
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: being where he is in his career, that means that

612
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: he does have the right to control his destination and

613
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: the potential outcome of a trade. And I don't think

614
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: it's any small thing because he certainly seems comfortable in Atlanta.

615
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: And there's also some question marks how effective is Ozuna

616
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: going to be because he's not been himself the past

617
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: six weeks. That probably has something to do with the

618
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: hip injury. We know that he's likely working through. So

619
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: it's not a question of the fact that it makes

620
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: sense for the Braves to move on from Marcelo Zuna.

621
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Speaker 1: But I do think it's important to temper expectations because

622
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Speaker 1: the Marcelo Zuna we saw last year and earlier this year.

623
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: That's not the Marcelo Zuna we're getting right now. So

624
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: while it makes sense to moving, the return may not

625
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: necessarily be as great as some may think.

626
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: I think moving Ozuna is purely just to kind of

627
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: clear this logjam, and we've talked around it a lot.

628
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: It makes so much sense to get Murphy and Baldwin

629
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: in that lineup just about every day, and not only

630
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: those two, but then it also opens up to DH spot,

631
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: so if you want to have a Kunya dh every

632
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: now and then to take something off his knees. I mean,

633
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: if this is the last season, we don't need Ronald

634
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: to play the next nine innings of every single game

635
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: for the next two and a half months. So I

636
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: would really lower expectations on Ozuna. It's a real shame

637
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: that this is the year and not a year ago

638
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: where he was just hitting the absolute you know what

639
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: out of the baseball, because then they could have gotten

640
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: a legitimate return. But I think this is a mixture

641
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: of financial savings. Maybe again we keep going back to it.

642
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: Maybe you get a tools the eighteen year old and

643
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: get something out of it. But for the most part, man,

644
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: I mean, just just make way for Baldwin, make way

645
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: for Murphy and decide if this is something that you

646
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: can do every single day in twenty twenty six, or

647
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: if you want to shift some other pieces around and

648
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: figure out a different planet.

649
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: DH Yeah, listen, ten five rides or no joke. Like

650
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: we see players veto deals all the time, and listen,

651
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: fans always think it has something to do with like,

652
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: you know, a guy hates the or guy hates the Yankees.

653
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: It's almost always has something to do with like a

654
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: guy just doesn't want to move his family to city

655
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: X or state. Why you know it's it usually has

656
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: nothing to do with baseball. But guys who have earned

657
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: these ten five rights or no trade rights, they use

658
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: them all the time. And so I'm actually pretty curious.

659
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: You know, the way you're supposed to do it is

660
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: is you're supposed to go talk to the player and

661
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: say are you okay if we pursue this, and he'll

662
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: usually give you an indication. Now, we've seen some teams

663
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: screw it up in the past where they go ahead

664
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: and agreed to a deal and then the players like, no,

665
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: I'm good. Who is the guy? Edwater Rodriguez, who's supposed

666
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: to turned to the Dodgers a couple of years ago

667
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: from the Tigers. He was like, no, I don't want to.

668
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to play in La and Eve. He

669
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: vetoed the deal. So you know that's something that does

670
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: has that has to be addressed on the back end first.

671
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: If you do it correctly, you address that first, you

672
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: get Marcel's opinion on it. Where are you okay? Where

673
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: can we pursue? Where should we not pursue? Hopefully those

674
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: conversations have already happened. But that's a real thing, and

675
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: I don't want people to just skate over that. A

676
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: ten to five is no joke. It's not easy to

677
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: trade a guy like that. He's got full power to

678
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: say no to any deal. And like Scott said, you

679
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: had in the injury. You add in the fact that

680
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: he's he's thirty five, you almost thirty five year old

681
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: DH who is you know? He has not looked great

682
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: to be honest, you know, we need to manage now.

683
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: I would love the next two weeks for him to

684
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 3: come out and just hit the piss out the ball

685
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: and see if the Braves can get something for him.

686
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't expect it.

687
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at the end of the day, again, you know,

688
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: there's no one thing that definitely should not go without

689
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: being mentioned. Marcelo Zuna on the field has been tremendous

690
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: for the Braves, especially at a time where we have

691
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: not had a lot of consistent offense. He's been our

692
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: most consistent offensive player, at least up until about a

693
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: month ago. So he's been tremendous for the Braves. But

694
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: there just comes a point in time where you realize

695
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: where value is, and the value of Marcelo Zuna has

696
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: probably we probably surpassed that. Best for him, you know,

697
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: to potentially find an opportunity to where he can contribute

698
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: to a contender, and best for the Braves to see

699
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: what they have when it comes to some other guys

700
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: for the future. Speaking of that, we're going to talk

701
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: about some guys who the Braves control into the future.

702
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense now in the present to move on

703
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: from them or potentially hold onto them when we're looking

704
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: to contend once again in twenty twenty six and beyond.

705
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: More on that after a word from our partners, and

706
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: we are back and we have some breaking news that

707
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: we'll get right into the Braves have made a trade

708
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: that is correct, Literally minutes ago as we're doing this

709
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: podcast the Braves for the second straight night. We told

710
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: you they were going to be busy. They've made a trade.

711
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: The thing is, though it's a minor, very minor trade. Steven,

712
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: you want to give us some details on the Braves

713
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: move for the second straight night.

714
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, let's s Dane Dunning of the of the

715
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: Rangers just got traded to the Braves. I want to

716
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 3: make sure I get all the details right, so bear

717
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: with me. So, yeah, Dane Dunning from the Rangers in

718
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 3: exchange for our Jose Ruiz and cast considerations, Brace fans

719
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 3: will care to make room on the forty men roster.

720
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 3: They did drop Jesse Chavez, which they needed to drop Jesse.

721
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: I mean Jesse Chavez hours.

722
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: That's that's.

723
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean.

724
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: They brought Jesse Chavez in a game they were winning

725
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago and whatever, so they needed

726
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: to do that. Dane Dunning, he's a veteran guy from Texas.

727
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: He's been hurt a lot of the year. He's only

728
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: pitched in five He's only pitched ten innings this year.

729
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: He has started in the past he's been a reliever

730
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: mostly this year. He's a multi eating guy. He's not

731
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: a hard thrower. You know. I don't even know if

732
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 3: he's gonna be on the uh the major league roster.

733
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: I guess because Chavez got optioned or dfade, you would

734
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: just assume that he's gonna come up to the twenty

735
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: six man roster. But they could still do other stuff.

736
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: So we'll see, We'll see what they do. We'll see

737
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: if this is a spot starter guy. I don't know

738
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: if he's stretched out to do that. I think he

739
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: would have to be a bulk arm for at least

740
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: a little bit until they built him back up. So

741
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: it looks like just a bulk, you know, bullpen guy.

742
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 3: They may be running these bullpen games for the foreseeable future,

743
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: so like they find value in these three inning relievers.

744
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: We'll see, you know, he's he's just kind of a

745
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: veteran arm. There's nothing really special about him, and we'll

746
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: see how they use him.

747
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: And Mark Bowman just reported that the expectation is that

748
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: Dunning will serve in a multiple inning relief role, kind

749
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: of like a long man out of the bullpen, although

750
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: as we know, with a state of the starting rotation.

751
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: He might be in line to start. I mean they

752
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: might do the Aaron Bummer thing with Dane Dunning for

753
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: three innings and then and see where the game is at.

754
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean relatively small potatoes trade. A couple

755
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: of years ago, Dane Dunning was pretty good, but he

756
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: was bad the last couple of years. So hey, it's depth.

757
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: It's somebody along with like Joey Wentz. And if the

758
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: Braves can find someone to eat innings for the next

759
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: two months, then they're gonna have a chance. And if

760
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: they go out there and they give up five runs,

761
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if Dan Dunning gets hit hard in his

762
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: very first appearance, wouldn't surprise anybody if he gets DFA

763
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: that night.

764
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: But of course, Joey Wins looked like prime Josh Hater

765
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: in his first overall relief appearance a couple of days ago,

766
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: so maybe it will turn out well. But Scott, now

767
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: let's get into the fun part of the conversations. We've

768
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: gone through the obvious names that the Braves should look

769
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: to move. Now we're going to get into some names

770
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: that I think you could easily make the case the

771
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: Braves should look to move. But there's a bit more

772
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: that goes into the conversation, especially when the Braves are

773
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: looking to turn right around next year and contend.

774
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: So I think let's tackle the two relievers here bellas

775
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: Aaron Bummer and Pierce Johnson are both under team control

776
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: for twenty six they're owed reasonable about reasonable amounts of money.

777
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: Bummer is set to make nine and a half million

778
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: dollars next season, which is probably a little bit more

779
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: than what Bummer would command on the open market, but

780
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: by like a million dollars maybe two million dollars. I

781
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: know Bummer is a bit of a love him or

782
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: hate him type among the fan base. And then Pierce

783
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: Johnson has just flat out good. I mean, the guy

784
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: has a two point seven ERA since the Braves traded

785
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: for him almost two calendar years ago. He is really

786
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 2: good against right handed hitters, has that nasty curve ball.

787
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: So I think, if I'm the Braves and I'd be

788
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: curious to know what you think of this, Steven, I'm

789
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: not necessarily looking to give away Bummer or Johnson, like

790
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: if a team's only offering a twenty six year old

791
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: non prospect for them, unless it's just a pure salary dump,

792
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: which is probably another conversation. But if there's truly no

793
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: market for these guys, I don't know if I'm necessarily

794
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: looking to just give them away for nothing because you

795
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: might have better luck in the offseason getting off of them,

796
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: or frankly, having like Pierce Johnson and your bullpen next

797
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: year is totally fine with me. But I think is

798
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: kind of the of the pod. If a team is

799
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: willing to give up legitimate assets to acquire one of

800
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: these kind of more specialty middle ending relievers, then I mean,

801
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: I think all cards should be on the table and

802
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: they should at least pursue any option they have.

803
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I almost put these guys in two different

804
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: camps in my brain, Like the Braves very clearly trust

805
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: Pierce Johnson to be a high leverage reliever and so

806
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: paying that guy seven I think his option for next

807
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: year is seven million dollars, which is dirt cheap for

808
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: a high leverage reliever is extremely valuable. So like the

809
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: bar to trade him should be should be decently high.

810
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be astronomically high. You should be aggressive because

811
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: he's a reliever, and relievers who are good and healthy

812
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 3: don't stay that way for very long, So there's you

813
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: should you should look, you should take offers, but the

814
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: bar to trade him should be decently high. Bummer is

815
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 3: someone who I have defended for years on this podcast,

816
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: so of you guys. But the team clearly doesn't think

817
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: of Bummer the same way we think, or at least

818
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: maybe better, said Brian Snicker. Doesn't think of Bummer the

819
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: same way we think of it. And I don't know

820
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: who the next manager of the Braves is gonna be.

821
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: It's probably not gonna be Brian Snicker. But are they

822
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: going to treat Aaron Bummer like a low leverage reliever?

823
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: Because if they are, you don't want to have to

824
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: pay a low leverage reliever ten million dollars. You just don't,

825
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: so like you could. I could certainly understand an argument.

826
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: We're like, all right, we just need to clear this

827
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 3: guy's salary and whatever we get back is fine. I'm

828
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: fine with that. If that's how he's gonna be If

829
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: how he's been used the last two years is how

830
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: he's gonna be used going forward. Unfortunately, that's just something

831
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: we're not gonna know, and I don't even know if

832
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 3: the Braves know. It's just gonna depend on who the

833
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: next manager is so yes, I agree with you, Scott.

834
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: It is with it with Pierce Johnson specifically, it is

835
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: very offer dependent, like I need I need a real prospect,

836
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: like I need somebody that it's gonna kind of hurt

837
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: you to give away. I'm not just looking for a

838
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: lottery ticket with Roscio Iglesias. I'll probably take a lottery

839
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 3: ticket with Pierce Johnson. You know, eighteen months of Conroll

840
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: is valuable. He's a real reliever. He's a real high

841
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 3: leverage reliever. I need somebody off like your top ten

842
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: prospect list, or I'm just gonna hold onto him for

843
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: next year, And that is leverage. The Braids can use

844
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: the negotiations to be like, listen, I don't have to

845
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 3: trade this guy. I can just hold on to him,

846
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 3: So give me a decent offer, or well, how gladly

847
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: just putched Pierce Johnson out of my bullpen next year.

848
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: And I think that though, and I feel like to

849
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: the point of listen, if you're offered a good prospect

850
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: back for either Aaron Bummer or Pierce Johnson, you'll look

851
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: to move them, especially when it comes to potentially clearing

852
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: their salary and the volatility when it comes to relievers.

853
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: But I also feel like that if the Braves were

854
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: to keep both of them, many would think that the

855
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: trade deadline would be a disappointment because they seem like

856
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: such obvious candidates. But there are realistic reasons, I feel,

857
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: especially with how we know Alexanthopolis operates, as to why

858
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: keeping them may be more of a higher outcome than

859
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: some may think. For one, we know that alex and

860
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: Thoplis is very loyal to the guys that he go

861
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: out and acquires and then looks to keep. He went

862
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: out and got Jojamenez, Paris Johnson, Aaron Bummer, extended them all,

863
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: and that's something that he likes to do, so he

864
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: knows the value in those guys. The second thing is

865
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: we just came through an off season where for the

866
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: first time Alexanthopolis was not able to spend on a

867
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: bullpen to the level that he usually liked to do.

868
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: He wants a good, deep, reliable bullpen, but he wasn't

869
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: able to spend on it like we thought that he could. However,

870
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: this bullpen has turned out to be very good. Like

871
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: over the past six weeks, this bullpen has been a

872
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: legitimate top five bullpen. This team does not have a

873
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: lot about it right now that would make you feel

874
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: it's a contender. So with how much we know Alex

875
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: and Thopolis values the bullpen question marks about how much

876
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: we may have to spend once again this offseason, and

877
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: the fact that we've got these guys under control that

878
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Alex went out and acquired. I really could see Alex

879
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: preferring to hold these guys now. It may not be

880
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: the best decision if you get a legitimate offer for them,

881
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: but I do think that there's more sense than some

882
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: may give it in keeping these guys, especially at the

883
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: brace field. They can contribute to a contender next season.

884
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of the million dollar question

885
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: is what is the financial situation for next season? Because

886
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: if money's going to be tied again, then I almost

887
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: feel like getting rid of Bummer in the nine and

888
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: a half million he's out next year is like a

889
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: top priority, like calling all twenty nine teams and seeing

890
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 2: who will take the most of that money, because frankly,

891
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: this team has a lot bigger issues than who is

892
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: the number two or number three lefty out of the

893
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: bullpen next season. When we know there's a laundry list

894
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: of things that need to be addressed this winter. That's

895
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: a question that unfortunately we don't know. Nobody knows, but

896
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 2: I do. I'm curious to see what the financial fallout

897
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: is of the next few weeks because in some ways

898
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: that might give us a little glimpse into what the

899
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: offseason is going to hold. Where is paywall going to

900
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: go back up now that they have dodged the luxury

901
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: tax or is it gonna be flat of a payroll

902
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: or are they going to decline the payroll again, which might

903
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: get truest parks set on fire. I mean, that would

904
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: be that would be really discouraging. So that's something I

905
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: think is a kind of a under the radar storyline

906
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: for the next two weeks. But I agree with Stephen wholeheartedly.

907
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm not giving Pierce Johnson away for anything short of

908
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: like a legitimate hey this kid could be in Atlanta

909
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: within a year or two type of prospect. And Bummer

910
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm not obviously as high on Bummer, but I'm not.

911
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a solid lefty reliever, and that's those

912
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: don't just grow on trees necessarily.

913
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I will remind people that assuming they keep

914
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 3: Dylan Lee and We're not talking about dyl Lee tonight

915
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: because there's the general consistences are not gonna trade Dylan Lee.

916
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: But assuming they keep Dylan Lee and Daves Bernandez, who

917
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: have plenty of team control, and they have Joejamanez coming

918
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 3: back next year, which people forget, but he's under contract

919
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: again next year. You know you got guys, you got

920
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: young guys in the miners that are interesting. If you

921
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: keep Pierce Johnson, like you're already like halfway to a

922
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: pretty good bullpen, and remember you're got a Glaciers is

923
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: money coming off the books. I would aggressively, I mean

924
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: I would, I would try to get I would try

925
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: to get Bumber's money off the books. If I if

926
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: I'm just being honest, just the way they use him now,

927
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: if they're going to have a manager that use them

928
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: different I can, I can be swayed differently, but I

929
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: try to get Bumber's money off the books of Glaciers

930
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 3: money off the books. You've got Lee, You've got Jimenez,

931
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: You've got Hernandez, You've got some very interesting guys in

932
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 3: Triple A that might get a shot later this year

933
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: to see what they can do. Like you're actually not

934
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: that far away from building a decent bullpen again up

935
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: next year, which I know is something people are concerned about.

936
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm just not as concerned about it as

937
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: other people are. I would I would be aggressive. This

938
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 3: is where this is a spot I'd be aggressive, especially

939
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: with limited number of sellers.

940
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, bull bullpen is number three priority for me this offseason, Like,

941
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: they have to figure out this lineup. They got to

942
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: move some pieces around, they gotta find a d H

943
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: or whatever. They got to do, find maybe a middle endfield.

944
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: And then the rotation. I mean every year, this this

945
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: rotation somehow is about to call up my good pal

946
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: Sean Coleman to pitch for him because the whole team

947
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: is hurt. I mean, they have to figure out some

948
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: depth and ways to figure this thing out. And if

949
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: that means going out and overspending on an arm or

950
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: two so you aren't having to dig into the bottom

951
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: of the barrel seemingly every single summer, then that means

952
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: that maybe you don't have a fifty million dollar bullpen,

953
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: which is when Alex has tried to run in previous years.

954
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: And and Alex just showed he can build a bullpen

955
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: a decent bullpen on limited resources, like he just did it.

956
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: You know they spent I know they already had a

957
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: Glaciers and Jimenez under contract, and Jimenez got hurt, which

958
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 3: which hurt them. But like he found guy, he found

959
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: De la Santos for nothing, He found Rafael Montero and

960
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: only you know, cost him three million bucks. Like he's

961
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: shown he can do that. So again, I'm not as

962
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: worried about the twenty twenty six bullpen as other people.

963
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: I think I think the trade deadline because trade deadline

964
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: is where teams pay for believer because there is a

965
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: postseason literally just about to happen, and everybody wants like

966
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 3: five good six good relievers, and so this is probably

967
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: be aggressive in my opinion.

968
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: All Right, so let's have a little bit of fun here.

969
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: Let's set the bar at over under two and a half,

970
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: and we're going to look at the group of four

971
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: of Rys sol Iglasias, Rafael Montero, Aaron Bummer, and Pierce

972
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: Johnson Scott Coleman. Of those four over under two and

973
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: a half, of them being moved at the trade deadline.

974
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go under. I think two get moved. I

975
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 2: think Iglesias almost certainly gets moved, and I think one

976
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: of the other relievers are getting moved. If Ozuna was

977
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: healthy and didn't have the no trade, I think it'd

978
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 2: be more likely. But I'm just not sure Ozuna would

979
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: pass a physical, quite honestly. And one other quick thing

980
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: on Ozuna that we should at least say out loud,

981
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: there might be some front offices that would have some

982
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: pause about his off field stuff. I don't want to

983
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: pretend to be thirty general managers, but I'm guessing the

984
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: pr aspect of it is not something that's totally forgotten,

985
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: so that's also in there. So I'm guessing that if

986
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: I had to put a million dollars on it, I

987
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: would say Glacias gets traded and Aaron Bummer gets traded,

988
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: even if the return for those two is not going

989
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: to be anything that knocks our socks off.

990
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: I think a Glaciers definitely gets traded. I think Montero

991
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 3: definitely gets traded. I don't know. I can't remember if

992
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: you put Montero in this group, but I think Iglesias, Montero,

993
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 3: and Bummer get traded. I think Pierce Johnson's stays, so

994
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: maybe that's over. I don't I don't remember who the

995
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: four were, but I'll say over I think those three

996
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 3: guys the four Leiaverers.

997
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: But that was a sort of smooth segue into one

998
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,040
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1005
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1006
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: But I would be remiss if I did not ask

1007
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: about one of the players that we're going to talk about.

1008
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: He didn't get the chance to get up to bat

1009
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: in this situation. But I did want to get y'all's

1010
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: comments on what we saw in the All Star Game

1011
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: on Tuesday night, the home run derby to end the game. Guys,

1012
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, that was one of

1013
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: my more favorite All Star moments that I've seen in

1014
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: recent years. That was a lot of fun, just real quickly,

1015
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: it seemed like a really positive moment for the All

1016
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: Star Game. What was y'all's thoughts about that moment itself

1017
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously what KYLEE Schwarber did.

1018
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: My favorite thing was Shober ended it or you know,

1019
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: Shoorber did what he did. So the National League won

1020
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: and we didn't have to watch ped Alonzo hit because,

1021
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: as I met, I have no interest in watching Peter

1022
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: Alonzo hit. But yes, that was fun. It's a great

1023
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: way to into an All Star game. I saw some

1024
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: talk about ending like regular season games that way. I

1025
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: would I really hope that's not a serious conversation. It

1026
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: just gets into Mickey Mouse stuff. But for an All

1027
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: Star game, that's exactly how you shouldn't. You should never

1028
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: go into extra ings of an All Star game. And

1029
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: with a home run derby Kyle Schwarber is a monster.

1030
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a whole conversation about Kyle Schwarber in

1031
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: a couple of months about like, I guy that Braves

1032
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: could desperately use. But yeah, it was hilarious to me

1033
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: that Pete Alonzo got up to you know, basically on

1034
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: deck and never got to hit, which was just.

1035
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have been cool to see Matt Olsen

1036
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: up there. Yeah, yeah, it was funny that everyone was like,

1037
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: where's Otawani, where's Judge one aren't these guys hitting? And

1038
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: Fox didn't say it on the broadcast, but those guys

1039
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: had very clearly left the stadium and were presumably flying

1040
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: either back home or to wherever their team was on Friday,

1041
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: So that was kind of funny. But yeah, it was

1042
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: really cool. I think I saw the TV ratings for

1043
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: the All Star Game. We're strong, which is great to see.

1044
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: It's so yeah, I mean, it felt like a successful

1045
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: weekend for the league. And I know everybody around, not

1046
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: just locally but nationally, we're saying Atlanta did a fantastic

1047
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: job hosting the game, hosting the Draft futures game home

1048
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: un derby, all that lot of fun in the stadium,

1049
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: around the stadium. So yeah, the big tip of the cap,

1050
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: I guess the the you know, the folks in Atlanta,

1051
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: we're putting on a really good show this week.

1052
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And the thing is is that, you know, of course,

1053
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: it was just fun to get up a bit of

1054
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: a break from from the from the heartache that is

1055
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: watching Braves baseball with the Braves and nearly every other

1056
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: team are going to be in action once again tomorrow night,

1057
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: and of course that means if you are all over

1058
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: of both the Braves or baseball and fantasy sports. You're

1059
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: going to get the opportunity to capitalize off that, and

1060
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: one of the best ways that you can do that

1061
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: is through the pixel of different options that could make

1062
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: sense for your Friday night festivities. The aforementioned Pete Alonso,

1063
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: who will be facing off against Nicolodolo of the Cincinnati

1064
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: Reds in old friend at Charlie Morton. Now, we weren't

1065
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: able really to talk about the Braves yet because some

1066
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: of their props, if you will, are not up as

1067
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: of yet. But this is how simple it is.

1068
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: Scott.

1069
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: I know that you are a fan of Charlie Morton.

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Speaker 1: I know that you are a fan of these more

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Speaker 1: or less opportunities. What are your thoughts on these picks

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Speaker 1: when it comes to more than one and a half hits,

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Speaker 1: runs and RBIs for Pee Alonzo and Charlie Morton struggled

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Speaker 1: in a little bit against the Rays giving up two

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Speaker 1: plus runs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it feels dirty to root for Peter

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Speaker 2: Alonso to do well, but if it means you get

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Speaker 2: a nice little payout at the end of the night,

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Speaker 2: then you gotta do what you gotta do. The NL

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Speaker 2: East Grace is going to be a lot of fun

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Speaker 2: this summer, even if the Braves are on in it.

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Speaker 2: And then good friend Charlie Morton. I know somewhere Brad

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Speaker 2: Rowland is cursing this podcast because I think Brad would

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Speaker 2: have Chuck throwing eight scoreless. But good time for Charlie

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Speaker 2: Morton to hopefully I have a good second half. And

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Speaker 2: then in parlay is good couple of starts here into

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Speaker 1: And Steven, I'll say this even though we don't have

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Speaker 1: I looked it up before we went into this podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know the Braves face and the Yankees that are

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Speaker 1: likely going to face Carlos Radon as well as Max

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Speaker 1: Freed this weekend. Our best left handed hitter since Jne

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Speaker 1: first has been Drake Baldwin. So if you want to

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Speaker 1: could be Drake Baldwin. It's gonna see him be really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool. I like that Max Is I think

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Speaker 3: gonna pitch in this series against the Braves. He had

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Speaker 3: some blister stuff that I think has calmed down. I

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Speaker 3: thought he was gonna go in the aisle. It looks

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Speaker 3: like he's gonna be back. So yeah, it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: fun to see. It's gonna be good matchups. Listen, Charlie

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Speaker 3: Morton's had a great year. He's you know, he's forty

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Speaker 3: something years old. I would always probably bet, you know,

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Speaker 1: Scott, I feel I don't feel good, like we just

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Speaker 1: promoted Pete Alonzo. We bad mouthed Charlie Morton, like, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: go go ahead, and take over the next segment. I

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Speaker 1: just I don't feel well right now.

1130
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Speaker 2: I know, I know we need to cleanse the show.

1131
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: Let's let's do. Let's spend a couple of minutes on

1132
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: Sean Murphy, Fellows. This is one if folks have been

1133
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: tuning into the podcast, and we've talked around this quite

1134
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 2: a bit, I guess we should get our official takes

1135
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: on the record here. You know, a lot of teams

1136
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Speaker 2: are interested in Seawan Murphy. The catcher situation around Major

1137
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 2: League Baseball for a large maybe not a large, but

1138
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: a decent chunk of teams is really bad. Teams need catchers,

1139
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: and Sewn Murphy's really really good and he's hitting the

1140
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: ball really really well. Maybe the best stretch that Murphy

1141
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: had was this past week all year long. I think

1142
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: a mid season trade of Murphy is going to be

1143
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: nearly impossible to pull off. He would also then have

1144
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: to go and learn an entire new pitching staff on

1145
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: the fly and a pen and chase that is not

1146
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: easy to do. I'm sure teams like the Tampa Bay Rays,

1147
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 2: the San Diego Padres, those are teams are clearly needing

1148
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: catching help. But if I had to wager if the

1149
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: Braves are gonna move Murphy, I would almost certainly think

1150
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 2: it will be this offseason instead of in the next

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00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I went on the Foul Territory Show recently

1153
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: with Aj Persinski and the guys, and obviously they've they've

1154
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 3: caught in major leagues before, So I just asked them

1155
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: what they thought of trading a catcher mid season, and

1156
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 3: they pretty much all agreed, Like, you can trade a

1157
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: backup catcher because it's not somebody that plays every day,

1158
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 3: but trading a starting catcher, And if you think about it,

1159
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: like it doesn't happen a lot, like like starting catchers

1160
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: don't get traded a lot mid season. I know Wilson

1161
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: Contrez did get traded one year from I think from

1162
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: the Cubs, I think to the Cardinals. I can't remember

1163
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: exactly how that went down. No, I don't think he

1164
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: got traded the Cardinals, but I think he got traded.

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00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 3: But it doesn't happen a lot so And that's why,

1166
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: because learning a whole new pitching staff in August leading

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Speaker 3: into a playoff race is just it's not really something

1168
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: that teams do. So it does seem like more in

1169
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: all of an offseason trade. But yeah, we gotta I

1170
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: think we gotta probably put a pin in it. I listen,

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Speaker 3: if the Braves trade Shown Murphy, it is a complete

1172
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 3: departure from everything Alex has said about trading these you

1173
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: know guys who are locked up for you know, multiple years.

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00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 3: Once they trade Sean Murphy, once they break that seal,

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00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: you know, it's all up for Graps. And Brad has

1176
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: said it, Scott said it, I've said it, like I

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Speaker 3: think they have to re examine drawing a hard line

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Speaker 3: at these these extension guys. And with Drake Baldwin, it

1179
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: makes all the sense in the world to at least

1180
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: explore I'm not saying do it, but at least explore

1181
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: Sean Murphy trade at least in the off season.

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Speaker 1: Forgive me, I mentioned it earlier in the show when

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00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: it comes to one thing that the Braves could help

1184
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: their selves out with is clearly establishing themselves as sellers

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00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: when they legitimately have some of the best SAT sets

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00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,959
Speaker 1: that could be out there. Because when you start looking

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00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: at teams that could be sellers, take away the fact

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00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: that Sean Murphy is a catcher. Just look at his

1189
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: potential as a bat. He's one of clearly the best

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00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: bats that could be out there as a potential trade candidate.

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00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: He's turned it around from where people may be questioning.

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00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: You know, he truly an asset with his long term

1193
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: control at the level of dollars wise that it is.

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00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: He absolutely is. But the other thing that stands out,

1195
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 1: and you know too, the points y'all made about him

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00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: being nearly being impossible to move from the other team's perspective.

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Speaker 1: I really think that the Braves want to get a

1198
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: good look at just how effect of this Baldwin Murphy

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Speaker 1: catcher DH set up could be for the rest of

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00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: this season, because that could be a really big benefit.

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: And we know that Alex and THOPPLSS has put emphasis

1202
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: on having multiple catchers play significant roles for Atlanta through

1203
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: the season. If those two can carry putting that DH

1204
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: spot for the Braves among the best in baseball, along

1205
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: with having one of the best catching situations in baseball,

1206
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 1: that could really be beneficial for this team, not only

1207
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: for keeping them both fresh, but also from a financial

1208
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: standpoint with where Sean Murphy is controlled and where Drake

1209
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: Baldwin is controlled. So that's another reason why listen. If

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Speaker 1: a team comes and just offers you a long term

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00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: clearcut significant shortstop prospect, for instance, for Sean Murphy, maybe

1212
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: you listen. But other than that, I think it probably

1213
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: makes sense to keep him explored in the off season.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's just more than you know, it's

1215
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: hard to move a catcher. There's actual value in the

1216
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: Braves keeping him and seeing what they could do with

1217
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: that Baldwin Murphy combo for the rest of the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in a perfect world, you find a way

1220
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: to keep both of those players because it gives you

1221
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: insurance in case one of your catchers gets hurt, then

1222
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: you still have just an unbelievably good catcher to fill in.

1223
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: But I think, as we have said, and I think,

1224
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: as folks know, if there was a way to keep

1225
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: Murphy and Baldwin and improve second base and improve shortstop

1226
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: and improve their rotation without having to touch your catcher depth,

1227
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: then obviously you would do it. I'm just not sure

1228
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to do it, and it

1229
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: might be a really painful conversation. I would love to

1230
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: be on a fly on the wall in Alex's office

1231
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks to see not only our

1232
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: teams calling about Murphy, because I'm sure they are, but

1233
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Speaker 2: you know, just what is the prospect package? Like, could

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Speaker 2: you get a legitimate top ten, top twenty type of

1235
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Speaker 2: talent for Murphy, whether it's now or in November, December

1236
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: or January, I would imagine. I think catcher in the

1237
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: eyes of front offices is probably valued significantly higher than

1238
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: it does like a casual fan you just walk up

1239
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: too on the street. I think Murphy is someone who

1240
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: commands has more value than maybe if you surveyed one

1241
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: hundred Braves fans, then they would maybe.

1242
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Speaker 3: Expect one hundred percent. Teams, front offices managers value catchers.

1243
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 3: I mean they drive entire pitching staffs and so. And

1244
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 3: also listen what you do at catcher and what you

1245
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 3: do at DH are inherently tied together. And so what

1246
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 3: are the Braves going to do at DH after Marcilla

1247
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 3: Like post Marcelo's in a are the what is the

1248
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: Braves decision making on DH? Because that affects catching because

1249
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: the natural if you got two catchers that are really good,

1250
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 3: the natural spot to put the other one is DH. Well,

1251
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 3: if they go if they try to go sign College Orber,

1252
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: then having both Murphy and Baldwin at the same time

1253
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: gets a lot harder, right, But if they're not gonna

1254
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 3: do that, if they're gonna try to rotate DH, then

1255
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: having both those guys makes a lot more sense. So

1256
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: it's tied together, and it's gonna be offer dependent, Like

1257
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: Sean said, if you get a massive offer, you need

1258
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 3: to do it. But I think it's almost certainly going

1259
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 3: to be off season. I can't imagine they're going to

1260
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: try to pull this off in the next two weeks. Yeah.

1261
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Speaker 2: The only GM who I could see being crazy enough

1262
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: aj Preller, and they have a supremely talented shortstop prospect.

1263
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's a good point. Maybe there's anybody that do

1264
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 3: it would be either him or God what's the guy

1265
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 3: in Seattle. But they have a good They got the dumper,

1266
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: They got the dumper up there, so they're good.

1267
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So again, I think I think we can you know,

1268
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: summarize this. Don't want to give away Sean Murphy for

1269
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: anything less than just an absolute haul, but it might

1270
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 2: be what you have to do at the end of

1271
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: the day for the betterment of the entire team and

1272
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: to give yourself the best chance to win next year.

1273
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: Could you use a Murphy, get a middle dfielder and

1274
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: then go out and sign a Kyle Schwarber or trade

1275
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: for a good DH. I mean the beauty of dhs.

1276
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: It can be literally anybody probably don't want to be

1277
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: a good feel there because then you're wasting half their value.

1278
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: But you know, DH is far and away the easiest

1279
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: spot to address. And while a Murphy Baldwin combination for

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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty two games feels like it'd be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun and be very valuable profitable, it

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Speaker 2: may not be that easy. They might have to take

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a detour to get to where

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Speaker 2: they ultimately want to be.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, when we talk about these,

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Speaker 1: you know, not so obvious controllable players. There are a

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Speaker 1: couple of other names that I think are worth mentioning,

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Speaker 1: and that would be Grant Holmes as well as Anil

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Speaker 1: Dela Santos, you know, two names that you know the

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Speaker 1: brains have had homes for a few years. In a

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Speaker 1: year where there's been a lot of disappointment, he's been

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Speaker 1: one of the clear bright spots. I think the Dela

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Speaker 1: Santos has been a bright spot as well. I want

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Speaker 1: want to start by saying, no, the Braves should not

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Speaker 1: just move them to move them, but you've got too

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Speaker 1: versatile controllable arms there that if a team approached the

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Speaker 1: Braves with a you know, relevant to significant offensive prospect,

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Speaker 1: could the Braves make could it convince the Braves but

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Speaker 1: intently move on from those guys? Sure? Again, I don't

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Speaker 1: expect it, but I do think in there are scenarios

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Speaker 1: where if you could potentially offer an arm like Grant

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Speaker 1: Holmes who could start or relieve and is under cheap control,

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Speaker 1: that could be something that can make sense. We see

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Speaker 1: arms like that, like the Rays just did a move

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Speaker 1: like that where they traded a high you know, competitive

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Speaker 1: balance pick. I don't expect for us to do that

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Speaker 1: type of deal. Don't expect it to happen, but it

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Speaker 1: could be. It could make sense.

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Speaker 3: So I want to get ahead of this before you

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Speaker 3: get people get pissed off. We're not just talking about

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Speaker 3: trading Grant Holmes because or bored. Like. There is a

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Speaker 3: logic behind trading Grant Homes in that there are things

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Speaker 3: in his profile that are a little scary and there

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Speaker 3: is absolutely an argument to be made that his value

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Speaker 3: may never be higher. Right, Like, He's a guy who

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Speaker 3: runs a pretty high fip and he gives up a

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Speaker 3: lot of walks, he gives up a lot of homers.

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Speaker 3: He has a very hittable fastball. Now he has survived

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Speaker 3: this year, not survived like I would say, thrive this

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Speaker 3: year on incredible breaking stuff slider. You know, his slider's

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Speaker 3: one of the best pitches in baseball. But it's fair

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Speaker 3: to ask, is Grant Holmes value ever gonna be higher?

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Speaker 3: And when you look at the profile, there are red flags,

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Speaker 3: And so I would if I was running the team.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Braves will, but if I was

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Speaker 3: running the team, I would quietly let teams know I'm

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01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: willing to listen. Now, not that I'm gonna do it,

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Speaker 3: but the most expensive thing to buy at the deadline

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Speaker 3: is starting pitching, because no one trades starting pitching. So

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Speaker 3: if you have a guy who's got up an era

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Speaker 3: in the you know, three sevens, which is what Grant

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Speaker 3: Holmes has. Yes, some of the peripherals aren't great, but

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Speaker 3: you could get something significant for him. And if you

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Speaker 3: already think that this might be as good as he's

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Speaker 3: ever gonna be, and then there might be regression coming

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Speaker 3: on the back end, Like, there's logic to it. I

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Speaker 3: don't want people just get pissed offs because we're just

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Speaker 3: throwing out names, like there is a logic to at

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Speaker 3: least having the conversation, at least listening to Olfers Dal Santos.

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Speaker 3: I would trade in a heartbeat because he's a reliever

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Speaker 3: and you can find guys like that. But Grant Holmes,

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Speaker 3: I understand people are going to get mad about. But

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Speaker 3: there's a reason why he's on our list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Holmes has a couple of things working

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Speaker 2: in his favor. Why the Braves will la trade him?

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Speaker 2: He is dirt cheap. He makes the league minimum for

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Speaker 2: two more years beyond this, and then he wouldn't make

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01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: much money, and arbitration anyway, and he's a starting pitcher,

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Speaker 2: and is Holmes traditional, No, he came up when he

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Speaker 2: was thirty years old. But if we're kind of talking

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01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 2: out of both sides of our mouths here talking about

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01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: the issues this team has keeping pictures healthy and having

1353
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: starters available, and then you're gonna voluntarily trade away one

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Speaker 2: of the only bright spots you've had the last two years,

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Speaker 2: really since Holmes came up. So I don't think the

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: Braves are the Braves would have to be blown away

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Speaker 2: by Grand Holmes. But I do think you're right the

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Speaker 2: point you made. This is probably the highest value he

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Speaker 2: will ever have at a trade deadline where eighty percent

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Speaker 2: of the league is trying to buy. And he's shown

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Speaker 2: he can be a starter, he can be a middle reliever,

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Speaker 2: he could be a hybrid arm and there's just not

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01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: gonna be many good starting pitcher types out there. Maybe

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01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: a team really likes Grant Holmes and wants to overpay,

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Speaker 2: and if it means the Braves got a really nice return,

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Speaker 2: even if nobody wants to see Grand Holmes leave, it

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01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: might make sense. Again, getting back to the hole, this

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Speaker 2: team has issues. They're gonna have to figure out this offseason, and.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be how the team projects Grant Holmes going forward.

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Speaker 3: What do they project him as? Do they project him

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Speaker 3: as a long term starter? And I know people are like, well,

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Speaker 3: of course they do, but they might not. Like, just

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01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 3: because you have one season of success that's got some

1374
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 3: scary peripherals does not mean you're guaranteed for more. And

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Speaker 3: the team might not see him as more than that.

1376
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 3: And if they don't, then there is logic to exploring

1377
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 3: when his value is at its absolute highest, like you

1378
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: have to at least listen to what people have to say,

1379
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 3: doesn't mean have to do it, and it might have

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 3: to You might have set a really high price, but

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Speaker 3: you you should at least listen.

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Speaker 1: And again the versatility of grand Holmes that has value,

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01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: what he's shown as a starter that has value. But

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: again he's thirty. So the likelihood of him having the

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01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: same level of like a for instance, a J. Smith

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01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: Shaver in terms of improvement, it's not there. And one

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Speaker 1: small but significant factor as well, he right now is

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01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: going through the league for the first time. This is

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Speaker 1: the first time that teams are seeing him. When they

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Speaker 1: start to see him that second or third time, is

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01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: that same level of success going to be there. That

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: also plays a factor into when we say this could

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: be where his value is the highest and it could

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Speaker 1: make sense. One last fun note that I want to

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Speaker 1: get both of your perspectives on as well, is Scott,

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Speaker 1: you were talking about shocking surprising. What move would constitute

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Speaker 1: that type of description. I don't necessarily even know if

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01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: the highest likelihood of that type of move is someone

1399
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: unexpectedly that the Braves could move or sell themselves. It

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01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: could potentially be someone that the Braves look to buy,

1401
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: because with this team looking to potentially be a contender

1402
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six and beyond, they absolutely could operate

1403
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: as a clear seller for this year, but also a

1404
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: buyer in the right situation, especially in a market where

1405
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: one of the biggest supplies is controllable relievers. What are

1406
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: y'all's thoughts on that The idea, maybe even of the

1407
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: Braves selling some of these pieces and then instead of

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01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: taking the pieces back that they acquire, turning that around

1409
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: and sending them out for a asset that could help them

1410
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: now and into the future.

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01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 2: You know, it's not the craziest thing in the world,

1412
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: and I feel like over the years we've seen teams

1413
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 2: at the deadline who are sellers and they're you know,

1414
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: you see the Ken Rosenthal tweet of two or three

1415
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 2: deals where they're sending players out and then Ken Rosenthal says, oh,

1416
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: and they're also acquiring this player who's legitimately good, and

1417
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: everyone looks around like, WHOA didn't see that coming? But

1418
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: it makes sense. And I think Alex Nthopplss has been

1419
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: an outside the box thinker for a large like when

1420
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: he signed Josh Donaldson the first week of the offseason

1421
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. No one necessarily had Donaldson

1422
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 2: signing for twenty million bucks that early, but siona Chris Sale,

1423
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: nobody had. We did a million podcasts. I don't think

1424
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: Chris Sale's name ever came up. And he's traded for

1425
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 2: him and he want to Cy Young and he was

1426
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 2: maybe gonna win another one before he got hurt. So

1427
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 2: I think Alex is very good. He's talked about he

1428
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 2: needs to know exactly what's going on with all thirty

1429
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: other teams because you don't want to be in a

1430
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: situation where a player gets traded and you go, oh, man,

1431
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know that guy was available. So I don't

1432
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 2: think they're going to buy because you're having to pay

1433
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 2: a pre that we've talked about for at least half

1434
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: of the season that you're likely dead and then you

1435
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: even if you have them for twenty six, But it

1436
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: would not be a total zero percent chance that if

1437
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 2: the right player comes about and they're available and the

1438
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 2: deal makes sense, that they could trade for a guy

1439
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: with multiple years of control.

1440
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at the contract extensions the Bravees

1441
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 3: have in the books, Like, it would almost have to

1442
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: be a shortstop, a second baseman, maybe a starter.

1443
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it.

1444
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 3: That's like maybe it like I don't think you're trained

1445
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 3: for a DH. Those are just too easy to get,

1446
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 3: so like it would have to be one of those.

1447
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 3: And there are names, there are names around the league

1448
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 3: of like bad teams that have some decent players at

1449
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 3: those spots that the Braves could look to add and

1450
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 3: you know, as a twenty twenty six piece. I also

1451
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 3: think it's very possible the Brave's version of adding is

1452
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 3: just focusing on prospects that are close to major league ready,

1453
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: where you know they the only offers that are listening

1454
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 3: to for any of these players are are four players

1455
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 3: that can help them next year. I don't know if

1456
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 3: there's I don't know. Maybe they're very happy taking eighteen

1457
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 3: year olds to nineteen year olds, but they might all

1458
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 3: be like listen, if he's not in Triple A, he's

1459
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 3: not ready to help the big leagu club next year,

1460
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 3: then it's not a package I'm interested in. So there's

1461
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 3: a lot of ways you can go. It would not

1462
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: stun me at all to see the Braves add, you know, shortstop,

1463
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 3: a second basement, a pitcher for next year, especially if

1464
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 3: they trade a guy like Grant Holmes, which again we're

1465
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 3: not saying they're going to. They're probably almost certainly not

1466
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 3: going to, but they need to explore it. But yes,

1467
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 3: I would not be surprised at all. And with Alex,

1468
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 3: like Scott just said, he is the ultimate outside the

1469
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 3: box that Ronaldo Lopez into a starter. It came out

1470
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 3: of nowhere. Chris Sale like, this is what the guy does.

1471
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: He just finds the value in uncertain places. So Braves

1472
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 3: fans should be ready for anything over the next two weeks.

1473
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: And with that being said, I do honestly think that

1474
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: anything is possible when Alex and Populos is your general manager.

1475
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: But I will go on record as to making one

1476
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: stone cold locked prediction for the trade deadline. Scott Steven, Okay,

1477
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: we are not going to acquire horahe Slayer this year.

1478
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm yeah, never say never out that it's like

1479
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 2: the Green Goblin mask. That thing must be just ringing

1480
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: in uh in. Alex's ear just gets hill are.

1481
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 3: Jesse Chabas You know Jesse Chovis will be back in

1482
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 3: about a.

1483
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: Week, So Scott Stephen, anything else to wrap us up

1484
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Speaker 1: this Trade deadline preview edition of the Hammer Territory Podcast.

1485
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: It's been absolutely wonderful, this says I genuinely mean this.

1486
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: This is one of the highlights of the baseball season.

1487
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: Just being able to just sit down with people that

1488
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: you know are passionate bravece fan and love to cover

1489
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: the team and just talk, just talk Braves and talk

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Speaker 1: about what could be out there for the present in

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Speaker 1: the future.

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Speaker 2: Any final thoughts, Yeah, just I mean a big thank

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Speaker 2: you to everybody. This was a longer show. This might

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Speaker 2: be the longest show we have ever done on at

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Speaker 2: least Hammer Territory. So if you like the content, one

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Speaker 2: thank you for checking us out into If you don't

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Speaker 2: already follow a subscribe like do whatever you have to do,

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Speaker 2: because we will have emergency shows. Whenever the Braves make

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Speaker 2: a trade, whether it's tomorrow or two minutes before the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline, we'll do emergency shows. It's probably my favorite

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Speaker 2: shows that we do all year long. I don't know

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Speaker 2: about you guys, but yeah, we'll be here. And then,

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Speaker 2: of course you have a Yankee series right around the horizon,

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Speaker 2: and baseball's back, and I mean it might be a

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Speaker 2: rough final two and a half months. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it could be worse than the first

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Speaker 2: half of the year, but stranger things have happened, and

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Speaker 2: I should probably put my foot in my mouth before

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Speaker 2: I jink something and get things real bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could definitely. I mean, it's gonna the

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Speaker 3: next two weeks are gonna be fascinating. I'm very curious

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Speaker 3: what this team is gonna look like on August first,

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Speaker 3: But we'll be here to cover it one way or

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Speaker 3: the other. Trades, no trades, wins, losses. This is a

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Speaker 3: twelve month podcast, so we'll be here to cover it.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate the support, and yeah, season second half starts

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Speaker 3: back up tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin, rookie of the year campaign starts now, starts

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Speaker 1: right now, but all kidding aside. Can't thank you enough

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Make sure to check out chat BCC

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Speaker 1: you know, picking what your favorite Braves could do or

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Speaker 1: could not do and among other players in baseball. For

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Speaker 1: Scott Coman, you can find him at Scott Comen fifty

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Speaker 1: five on Twitter slash x. You can find Steven Tolbert

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Speaker 1: to be Underscore Outliers on Twitter slash x, and you

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Speaker 1: can find myself at Stat's Sac on Twitter slash x

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Speaker 1: as well. Hammer Territory across all forms of social media

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Speaker 1: part of the Foul Territory family of podcasts. Make sure

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Speaker 1: to check out all the great content as the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline comes and goes. Until next time, listen, go Braves.

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Speaker 1: Brad and Scott are going to be back with you

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Me and Steven we'll be back with you

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Speaker 1: soon in time as well. Till then, Gobras will talk

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Speaker 1: to you again. Soon here. On The Hammer Territory podcast,