Speaker 1: Kendrick J. Cole somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, they have massive machines behind them. Now, if we're
Speaker 2: talking this talk, let's get into it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: But in addition to that talent, we know that in
Speaker 2: hip hop, talent ain't enough three words rap your reality.
Speaker 1: But what if you're King Vaughn, What's what's what's your
Speaker 1: thoughts on King Man Man?
Speaker 4: But do you think in two thousand and anything that
Speaker 4: Master P possesses the ability to stand next to an
Speaker 4: artist and really turn them up in a way like
Speaker 4: a Yogatti, a QCP of of any one of these
Speaker 4: other execs, even a baby, a Lil Wayne or Doctor Drake.
Speaker 5: Anything can happen.
Speaker 2: So that's no, I'm wondering master P was Coach K
Speaker 2: and q QCP all in one.
Speaker 4: No, he definitely was. I haven't seen P invest in
Speaker 4: that way. We're talking about q CP K history. We're
Speaker 4: gonna talk about it. We're talking about q we finl
Speaker 4: we literally finlah go, QCP coach K, verse P master
Speaker 4: P right right now, right P was working with the
Speaker 4: company's money at that at a point his overhead was
Speaker 4: low and he got popping. I'm talking about willingness to
Speaker 4: invest in an artist I don't think master P can
Speaker 4: hold a candle to Coach k and QCP A U.
Speaker 5: A A you crazy?
Speaker 1: Is God blessed the dead? Was signed to them? He
Speaker 1: from New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he wasn't one of those guys and he
Speaker 4: was early well, master P wasn't cherry picking. If you
Speaker 4: were signing to master P, you were getting a house
Speaker 4: and no ownership. In addition, and no ownerships in your name.
Speaker 4: You're wrong ownership of the music. I make ten million
Speaker 4: off y'all. I mean, got your two hundred thousand dollars house.
Speaker 4: That ain't talking business to nobody like me? Right, were
Speaker 4: talking percentages? We talk and that's why I'm telling you investment.
Speaker 5: This would make people uncomfortable about master P.
Speaker 2: He was Jay Z and Damn Dash in one. He
Speaker 2: was l Cool J and Russell Simmons in one. He
Speaker 2: was a little baby and QCP in one. And people
Speaker 2: just can't fathom that.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: Tell me, you mean Coach KMP baby did the same thing.
Speaker 1: Baby was like, Baby was the better version of P.
Speaker 1: So did baby not sit there? I can put P,
Speaker 1: and I can put P and Coach and Slim and
Speaker 1: Baby to death exactly.
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Speaker 2: The plantation looks like us being so desperate for validation
Speaker 2: that we sit here and say our form of communication,
Speaker 2: which is rapping and consuming rap, is something that's gonna
Speaker 2: lead to our degradation.
Speaker 5: You feel me, that's it?
Speaker 4: Tell me, tell me tell me your because because you
Speaker 4: went through a level of desperation. Yeah, tell me what
Speaker 4: makes yours different than what the culture is in right now?
Speaker 5: Because I knew my foundation.
Speaker 2: Mmm, because I knew my foundation when that story that
Speaker 2: I did, I tell about the dude that was like,
Speaker 2: I'll manage you, but he wanted me to, you know,
Speaker 2: be a part of some homosexual stuff.
Speaker 5: Nah, man, I'm cool.
Speaker 2: I got to for the tool to be like no,
Speaker 2: because now you're asking me to go against my foundation.
Speaker 2: I will come ride out here, out of town, out
Speaker 2: of state, you know, in the old Honda chord, to
Speaker 2: come and meet with you and hang around all day
Speaker 2: waiting to get a little bit of your time to
Speaker 2: try to get you to want to work with me,
Speaker 2: I will do all that.
Speaker 1: I'm cool with.
Speaker 4: Pure's the trust in God though, because if I trust God, well,
Speaker 4: I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: If you trust God, you're not going network with people. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit somewhere for a little bit of
Speaker 1: his time.
Speaker 5: Oh man.
Speaker 4: I mean because I believe God to open doors, right,
Speaker 4: So if I say, Yo, God gonna open door Yo
Speaker 4: you yo, I'm gonna be humble.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be arrogant about it. But if I'm.
Speaker 2: Putting when I say sitting here for a little bit
Speaker 2: of your town just to give kind It was a
Speaker 2: video shoot, right, so I drove out of state, so
Speaker 2: it's really like, Yo, we're shooting this video. D. I'm
Speaker 2: down to meet with you, but I'm overseeing it. That
Speaker 2: makes sense, ye, So so that's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I ain't never been a person that's been that desperate
Speaker 2: that it's like they're doing D bad but he want it.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But you gotta make you gotta be careful that it
Speaker 4: doesn't because again, when Joe Budden, Jim Jones, Rick Ross
Speaker 4: meet me or here, you say we can do better.
Speaker 4: D D but I want to meet with you. That's
Speaker 4: when it gets okay. That's when they say, yo, it
Speaker 4: might be something else to that, because when you hear,
Speaker 4: when you hear, what I would say would be the
Speaker 4: correct thing to do is to say, here's the issue,
Speaker 4: here's the solution. If you guys love the culture, adopt
Speaker 4: that solution. So I came up with the solution.
Speaker 2: And one way that I'm organizing and galvanizing everybody is
Speaker 2: something I created called the Platinum Pledge. The platinum pledge.
Speaker 2: You know, in the music industry, platinum is high level,
Speaker 2: highest level. So I turn a platinum into an acronym
Speaker 2: people leading a transformation involving newly unified mindsets.
Speaker 1: Feel me.
Speaker 2: The Platinum Pledge is me sitting here saying, everybody that's
Speaker 2: down with this, you heard me, put your giant handcock
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 5: Sign this right here.
Speaker 2: The Platinum Pledge simply says that we come together and
Speaker 2: say that we vow not to create, support, or promote
Speaker 2: music that is glorifying keyword glorifying murder, drug dealing and
Speaker 2: drug usage, disrespecting women, and sexual irresponsibility. If somebody rocking
Speaker 2: with that man, sign a platinum pledge right here, now
Speaker 2: we are forming a community. We all coming together because
Speaker 2: it's so many of us, but we've become a silent
Speaker 2: majority because it's been seen as like you're uncool if
Speaker 2: you're not participating in this or making this music or whatever.
Speaker 5: So now I was like, nah, bro, y'all not.
Speaker 2: Gonna mentally trick us to thinking were wrong for advocating
Speaker 2: for what's right. So the Platinum Pledge has been bringing
Speaker 2: thousands of people together. D one music dot com slash
Speaker 2: Platinum Pledge. It's in my Instagram bio bro, all these
Speaker 2: thousands of people that have been signed this already. Then
Speaker 2: I come together and say, well, what am I gonna
Speaker 2: do now that I'm forming this massive community.
Speaker 5: I go to my hometown. My hometown was divided.
Speaker 2: Man, we don't know everybody know D One. You know
Speaker 2: everybody knows D been grinding for years. We were solid, yeah, solid,
Speaker 2: But now d speaking out against stuff. And now you
Speaker 2: got some people you know in the city who I
Speaker 2: don't know if I feel like he what about this
Speaker 2: the right way?
Speaker 5: Or I don't know if I agree with the message.
Speaker 1: Cool, you know what? You know what My solution all
Speaker 1: that is, that's all.
Speaker 5: I sit down, the break bread. That's just my style.
Speaker 5: And let's sit down. So what I did. I went
Speaker 5: back home.
Speaker 1: You heard me during Christmas break.
Speaker 2: Had one hundred rappers together, dog, a hundred of us
Speaker 2: rappers only. We don't want nobody else. If you're a rapper,
Speaker 2: may get your buttery here. Man, we about to sit
Speaker 2: down and chop it up. Let's agree, let's disagree, let's cry,
Speaker 2: let's let's fight, let's argue. Let's come to some solutions
Speaker 2: to understand each other better. Because through doing that and
Speaker 2: that type of communication is healing for everyone. Because no
Speaker 2: matter what y'all think, I might be this certain type
Speaker 2: of rapper, you might be a different type of rapper,
Speaker 2: but we are all on the same team ultimately, bro,
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm on right now.
Speaker 5: So when you talk solutions, I'm not just a contrarian.
Speaker 2: That's just like I like to just stir up a mess.
Speaker 5: No, bro.
Speaker 4: It's like, but if I'm Rick Ross and I'm running
Speaker 4: and I'm a nigga just bought a thirty million dollar crib,
Speaker 4: I got a fifty million dollar spot, got all this
Speaker 4: going on, I got teams around me, And I don't
Speaker 4: mean that this money makes me better than you, but
Speaker 4: it makes me busy. It makes me someone that has
Speaker 4: a very tight schedule. Again, I'm saying the solution that
Speaker 4: doesn't involve D one. That's why I keep saying that
Speaker 4: people gonna think about self interest because everything has to
Speaker 4: involve D one for it to be fixed.
Speaker 2: So, if people want to minimize everything that I've been
Speaker 2: standing on and representing for the last fifteen years, through
Speaker 2: the music I'm making, through the movement that I'm creating,
Speaker 2: through the interactions that I'm having, if people want to
Speaker 2: try to minimize that to well, because he said let's
Speaker 2: all sit down, that means that he wants something to
Speaker 2: be in it for him.
Speaker 5: If people want.
Speaker 4: To bro that's clearly what Joe is saying. Because Joe
Speaker 4: is saying, Yo, I see through that.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: You're cloud chasing cool and you're using the God thing.
Speaker 4: It's a cloud chase going on, Like you calling these
Speaker 4: dudes names?
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: Why won't you call out GTA six call of duty?
Speaker 4: Why don't you go of in the gaming world, right,
Speaker 4: why don't you go because there's other places that's tearing
Speaker 4: down kids as well.
Speaker 2: But I'm not a gamer. I'm a rapper, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna talk about the dusty why not. I'm most closely
Speaker 2: associated with.
Speaker 5: Why don't call me a gospel rapper?
Speaker 2: But then when I say, what's the point of writing
Speaker 2: all of these lyrics? If I'm rapping to an audience
Speaker 2: that ain't trying to hear it. They'd rather me blow
Speaker 2: a bag than rap about building wealth. They'd rather me
Speaker 2: get some brain than rap about mental health. Don't sense
Speaker 2: to me. Eventually, try to make sense to me. I
Speaker 2: don't need your dollars. I need you to think sensibly.
Speaker 2: You feel good now that you're vegan, that's funny. If
Speaker 2: you still promoting garbage, you just a healthy dummy. My
Speaker 2: city don't even love me. I'm calling it how it is.
Speaker 2: I'm a threat to the power structure. That's brain washing
Speaker 2: our kids. I'm fracturing all the egos of illegitimate.
Speaker 3: He rolls.
Speaker 1: I only look up to one man because he died.
Speaker 5: Then he rolls.
Speaker 2: I keep it too real because life don't last too long.
Speaker 2: If everybody likes me, I'm doing something too wrong. Maybe
Speaker 2: in time they'll appreciate my words like nipsey till then
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see how far keeping it real gives me.
Speaker 1: That's dope.
Speaker 5: I forget that, man, that's dope.
Speaker 4: You know, I respect you and you got a beautiful message,
Speaker 4: a beautiful spirit. I can fit right, got a lot
Speaker 4: of respect for you and what you speak.
Speaker 1: And that was that's that was just dope. Is that
Speaker 1: something you that's your things? That's me?
Speaker 2: And got a song it's called It's called people don't
Speaker 2: want that real remix. That's my verse off of the
Speaker 2: song that's dope. Yeah, that's all shout out lead though too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like that's and that's the tip of the iceberg. So
Speaker 2: it'd be like it's a big world, right, It's a
Speaker 2: big world.
Speaker 1: But let's deal with why not gospel rap?
Speaker 5: Why not gospel?
Speaker 4: Like why be in the studio with Boollsee or Kevin Gates,
Speaker 4: or why not be in the studio with a gospel
Speaker 4: artists or bring them in a studio with.
Speaker 1: Some other because could you bridge the gap from gospel?
Speaker 4: Could it be more effective if you were in gospel
Speaker 4: than trying to come into the trap world and say
Speaker 4: clean this up, get that over there, do that over here.
Speaker 2: Brother, you know I do it all well, you might
Speaker 2: not know. And that's why I'm here for communication, because
Speaker 2: that's going to lead to the elevator. Ser Brother, I'm
Speaker 2: performing at churches, nine stop round the clock at churches, Brother,
Speaker 2: at churches, at church conferences in your city, I'm performing
Speaker 2: at churches. I'll be back out here in June performing
Speaker 2: at a homest conference at a church.
Speaker 1: And I want you to come. I'm gonna come. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come and like that, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna be that what were talking about right now, That's
Speaker 2: what all this is fun. It's because God made me
Speaker 2: a bridge. You heard me all that He clout your man,
Speaker 2: forget all that, man, It's about being a bridge. So
Speaker 2: just like I'm performing in a church, I'm also teaching
Speaker 2: at a college, and I'm also performing at a club,
Speaker 2: and I'm also collaborating with people who are undoubtedly seen
Speaker 2: as gospel artists, but also people that's undoubtedly seen as
Speaker 2: street artists.
Speaker 5: And I'm the same me everywhere. That's the part. If
Speaker 5: I wasn't the same me everywhere, you heard me.
Speaker 4: And I believe that I saw you on so many
Speaker 4: different spots that you've been in the same individual man, Bro.
Speaker 5: So I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: That means more to me than anything because hopefully through
Speaker 2: that it makes you look view me through a lens
Speaker 2: to where it's like, man, I'm gonna really listen to
Speaker 2: a homie talking about musically but also just socially, because
Speaker 2: one thing about him is he's authentic. We might not
Speaker 2: always agree, but name me somebody who you always agree with.
Speaker 5: It don't exist, So don't try to hit me with that.
Speaker 2: But what it is is, bro like people have become
Speaker 2: comfortable because they got salaries, they got positions, they got
Speaker 2: a certain level of stature in this industry to where
Speaker 2: they feel like, if you are challenging the status quo,
Speaker 2: you are perceived as being a threat. So now I
Speaker 2: can't attack the message because ain't nothing wrong with saying
Speaker 2: we don't need to be glorifying the genocide of our
Speaker 2: own people. So I'm gonna attack the messengers. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna look for a technicality.
Speaker 5: Well, D one, technically you had Kevin Gates on the song,
Speaker 5: and why would you do that?
Speaker 3: D one?
Speaker 2: Technically you said you wanted to sit down and meet
Speaker 2: with Jim Jones in person or Rick Ross in person.
Speaker 2: You must be trying to get on man. You could
Speaker 2: could you could have the technicalities. Meanwhile, I'm dealing with reality, man.
Speaker 1: But you but you can see how there's how they
Speaker 1: can feel that way.
Speaker 5: And that's fine, right.
Speaker 2: You've made me realize that I can see how someone
Speaker 2: could feel that way because we're used to so many
Speaker 2: cloud chasers in this industry especially.
Speaker 4: And I've been effective how I met a lot of
Speaker 4: people in this industry. It's just like coming on my platform,
Speaker 4: like Yo, this what's going on this week?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: That you know what he should do in that deal
Speaker 4: is da da da da. I ain't even reached out
Speaker 4: to him. I ain't said nothing of him post that
Speaker 4: it goes somewhere and that individual reached out to me, man,
Speaker 4: That's what I was going through.
Speaker 1: Like I remember when.
Speaker 4: The industry was getting on to Baby Meek and all
Speaker 4: of them about being around Michael Rubin, and I took
Speaker 4: a difference. I'm like, yo, but they billionaires and by
Speaker 4: me being around baby and we talk about like what deals,
Speaker 4: what y'all got going with Ruben and he telling me,
Speaker 4: now I'm learning this, I'm learning that.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, no, we getting something from that. So
Speaker 1: my position was.
Speaker 4: Yo, man, how y'all know it ain't business, you know,
Speaker 4: And some of those guys reached out was like, yo,
Speaker 4: it's business for us.
Speaker 1: That's what we really are own.
Speaker 4: We don't know what he looked like, but we trying
Speaker 4: to figure out these tax loopholes were now making two
Speaker 4: three hundred million dollars. This is not no longer about hustling.
Speaker 4: This is about information at this point.
Speaker 2: And only in hip hop what they down you for
Speaker 2: wanting to be around people that's gonna help you become
Speaker 2: a better version of yourself.
Speaker 1: Only in hip hop, Bro.
Speaker 2: Man, that's toxic, and we gotta be able to point
Speaker 2: that out and say that ain't cool.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Whatever in the culture is toxic if we truly love it.
Speaker 2: If I'm spending the rest of my life in this
Speaker 2: culture because I love it so much. If I'm spending
Speaker 2: the rest of my life with my woman because I
Speaker 2: love her so much, I'm going to have to address
Speaker 2: the parts of her that say, boll I love you,
Speaker 2: but this aggravates me about you. I love you, But
Speaker 2: look how you be raising our kids and in some
Speaker 2: of the ways that you talk to them.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's best. Da da da.
Speaker 2: We gotta be able to do this, bro, And it's
Speaker 2: such a sensitive area, man, because people want to instantly
Speaker 2: cast you off as how dare you say something against it.
Speaker 2: There's two types of love, Loom, I don't ever want
Speaker 2: you to forget this, whether or not we ever talk again.
Speaker 2: There afirmative love, and there's transformative love. Affirmative love is
Speaker 2: man Loon getting active and attractive or whatever you say,
Speaker 2: lor and getting it in Loo and fresh lo articulate
Speaker 2: Loan a street dudes, so he didn't been an.
Speaker 5: Overcomer of obstacles.
Speaker 1: Da da da da.
Speaker 2: That's just affirmative love. I only want to build you
Speaker 2: up and pour into you.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. That's affirmative love.
Speaker 2: Transformative love is I love you so much, Loan that
Speaker 2: I'm gonna affirm you, and I'm gonna find a way
Speaker 2: to communicate to you the areas in which I'm like, Loan,
Speaker 2: you could do better in this area, brother, Like you
Speaker 2: could do better, like the sound right here, Like I
Speaker 2: get you another one of these from online to where
Speaker 2: it ain't gonna be swaying back. It's transformative love is
Speaker 2: I'm gonna affirm you and tell you what you could
Speaker 2: do better. The culture is so used to affirmative love
Speaker 2: because all we want to do is big up people
Speaker 2: to the point where now you can't even say that
Speaker 2: you thought Somebody album was.
Speaker 5: Whack no more. They're gonna be ready to be beefed
Speaker 5: out with you in the comments section.
Speaker 2: And when I'm coming with transformative love, which is like, bro,
Speaker 2: I clearly love this culture. I am of this culture.
Speaker 2: I clearly love it. But there are some areas that
Speaker 2: I want us to get better. So let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: But you're gonna have to be more specific when you
Speaker 4: I mean and when I don't mean that, because I
Speaker 4: agree with you again about the glorification of things that
Speaker 4: shouldn't be glorified. But I think the message got to
Speaker 4: be drilled down where we can really figure out who said,
Speaker 4: what's being said, what's leading to it.
Speaker 1: Like, there's more data. It's more data that I think
Speaker 1: needs to be given.
Speaker 5: More data that needs to be given.
Speaker 2: Word well, I do think that the data shows that
Speaker 2: music sticks with us longer than any other type of
Speaker 2: information we receive. I can't quote you a sermon from
Speaker 2: twenty years ago that I heard. I can't quote you
Speaker 2: a message from any of my teachers that they gave me.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you nothing that me and my grandma
Speaker 2: or my Grandpa rest in Peace talked about twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: You feel me, but I could wrap you some High
Speaker 2: Boys lyrics twenty years ago word for word, right, the
Speaker 2: fact that music is that sticky, that's all the information
Speaker 2: we need right there.
Speaker 4: Well, see what I mean is when you like, when
Speaker 4: you're on the campaign trail, right as far as like
Speaker 4: a politician, you're gonna hear them be very particular when
Speaker 4: they're in certain markets of thirty three percent of the
Speaker 4: people over here, twenty one percent of those individual you're
Speaker 4: gonna hear them drill this down so the common person
Speaker 4: can because it feels like that, what when you do that,
Speaker 4: it could come off as that's just to affect my
Speaker 4: business because you it's no solution next to it. There's
Speaker 4: no there's nothing next to it. But damn man, they
Speaker 4: are taking me now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the solution is three words, wrap your reality.
Speaker 1: But what if you're King Vaughn's what's what's your thoughts
Speaker 1: on King Man?
Speaker 2: Man? I hate I hate what happened to that brother.
Speaker 2: I absolutely hate that man. That pains me. That pains me.
Speaker 2: King Vaughan is a person who I wish that he
Speaker 2: would have had time to fully grow and mature into
Speaker 2: who God had ordained him to ultimately be. I wish
Speaker 2: Tupac had more time. I wish Biggie had more time.
Speaker 2: I wish sold just Slim had more time.
Speaker 5: You heard me?
Speaker 2: When I'm seeing these brothers, they all got one thing
Speaker 2: in common. They got killed in their twenties, you feel me. Twenties, bro,
Speaker 2: They didn't even get that shot and that opportunity. So
Speaker 2: that's the dangers of making certain type of music, consuming
Speaker 2: certain type of music. When it's like, well, we young,
Speaker 2: we all gonna make mistakes. Some people don't get a
Speaker 2: second chance from some mistakes that they making right now.
Speaker 4: So you think I mean death comes without music being involved.
Speaker 4: I would say the music is a contributor, could be,
Speaker 4: but you can die young.
Speaker 2: Music is simply an amplifier to what's already going on
Speaker 2: in life, right, That's all it is. So why not
Speaker 2: I used that amazing amplifier called hip hop music to
Speaker 2: amplify the type of change that we want to see.
Speaker 4: And some people are Why do you think you're not
Speaker 4: as big as Kendrick J.
Speaker 2: Cole somebody, Well, they have massive machines behind them. Now,
Speaker 2: if we're talking this talk, let's get into it yep.
Speaker 2: J Cole came out signed to Rock Nation. You have
Speaker 2: a jay Z co sign. You have a major label
Speaker 2: that's behind you pushing it. That's an A list artist
Speaker 2: co signing you. Kendrick comes out, he signed to Who Aftermath,
Speaker 2: Doctor Drake co sign and you got the top dog infrastructure,
Speaker 2: top dog entertainment infrastructure.
Speaker 1: Bro, can you go get me some of the drink
Speaker 1: from over? You want some drink? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Can you go over get too, drama, tell Gag bring
Speaker 4: get you two drinks right quick?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or just can you run to the store right now? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Here, okay?
Speaker 2: Jake Cole, Kendrick, they both got amazing talent. Life change
Speaker 2: in talent, you know what I mean, generational talent. But
Speaker 2: in addition to that talent, we know that in hip
Speaker 2: hop talent ain't enough to make you successful in a massively,
Speaker 2: So in addition to the talent, having the infrastructure and
Speaker 2: the coast sign of an A list artist like a
Speaker 2: jay Z and a Doctor Drake that helps a whole lot.
Speaker 5: So you're getting massive resources pumped into you.
Speaker 2: And at the time that they came up, which we
Speaker 2: all around the same generation. At the time that they
Speaker 2: first came into the game. That was the era of
Speaker 2: that Coast sign was almost like a prerequisite to getting on.
Speaker 2: So you got Meek and Yle with Rick, you got
Speaker 2: Big Sean with Kanye West, you got draking Nicki Minaj
Speaker 2: with Lil Wayne. So for me, it was like, well,
Speaker 2: let me try to get that coat sign. I wanted
Speaker 2: to sign a TI real bad back then, real bad.
Speaker 2: I wanted to sign a TI you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He was one of them ones. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: And I got this close.
Speaker 2: I ended up being managed by Grand Hustle, by his label,
Speaker 2: but at the time I was managed by them, Tip
Speaker 2: was locked up. Unfortunately he had caught that case right damn.
Speaker 2: So Jason Jeter was my manager rest.
Speaker 5: In peace Clay role manager.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I went on my first tour with them brothers.
Speaker 2: We're young, Drove would Killer Mike right, we were all
Speaker 2: we were all underneath Ground Hustle at the time.
Speaker 5: But Tip wasn't there.
Speaker 2: So I got the Grand Hustle brand, but I ain't
Speaker 2: got the man, you feel.
Speaker 5: Me, So it was like ah dang.
Speaker 2: So then after that that situation, you know, ran its course,
Speaker 2: and then it's like, all right, I got many fresh
Speaker 2: That's why I said, man In Fresh is my brother.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean because man In Fresh stood
Speaker 2: next to me at a time where it was like
Speaker 2: this dude, d one is a different lane than what
Speaker 2: New Orleans has ever seen. But I'm rocking with hom
Speaker 2: I've been man In Fresh in the auto zone and
Speaker 2: gave that ball my mixtape. He was with his little
Speaker 2: son at the time, had my cell phone number written
Speaker 2: on the mixtape. I was a college student, bro, and
Speaker 2: it took four years for Fresh to call me because
Speaker 2: after I met him, he ain't called me.
Speaker 5: But I got my weight up.
Speaker 1: I kept hustling, what and you kept the same number?
Speaker 5: Kept the same number. I still got that still got
Speaker 5: that same number.
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a thing, man.
Speaker 2: I think that's say something about somebody character to when
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, running.
Speaker 1: From you, you ain't dropping ditching them numbers.
Speaker 2: Yo, Man, I've been having the same number since since
Speaker 2: I was in high school. With that being said, Fresh
Speaker 2: saw me on MTV Jams and Fresh was like, that's
Speaker 2: the little dude from all those on He kept hustling,
Speaker 2: he never complained, and now I'm looking at him on TV.
Speaker 5: Fresh called me.
Speaker 2: I went out to Houston, got in the studio, with
Speaker 2: fresh we made a song called the One That Got Away.
Speaker 2: That was my first local hit song on the radio,
Speaker 2: mainstream rotation seven eight spins a day.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Q ninety three and one O two
Speaker 2: point nine for running that. So now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: dang d one who kept winning Underground Artist of the
Speaker 2: Year in New Orleans three years in the row.
Speaker 5: But whoeverybody was.
Speaker 2: Like, but he a little different, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like we don't know what to do with him, you know,
Speaker 2: that's what it is. It was nobody like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is one of the ones. We got to get behind
Speaker 2: him right now. He didn't got itself on MTV jams,
Speaker 2: he didn't got with Grand Hustle toward the country with
Speaker 2: Grand Hustle fresh Coat signing, they got to hit song together.
Speaker 2: Oh shoot, D one clearly is a force to be
Speaker 2: recking with. But still nobody all the way was like
Speaker 2: we finder all the way, like take him. I was
Speaker 2: talking with YMC and B at the time, like I said,
Speaker 2: I always got to show love shout out to Slim specifically,
Speaker 2: you know, shout out the baby and Slim, But Slim
Speaker 2: Man Slim was like, man, you that dude, Bro, like
Speaker 2: I want to I want to help nurture that talent
Speaker 2: that you got right me and Slim talking Slim they
Speaker 2: gave me money before, like all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing.
Speaker 2: The thing was, though, Bro, I still wasn't getting the
Speaker 2: Lil Wayne coach signed.
Speaker 5: And I'm I'm a student of the game, as are you.
Speaker 5: I can tell. So I'm looking.
Speaker 2: I'm like the only people that's been succeeding over here, Drake,
Speaker 2: Nikki and Tiger, they all had Lil Wayne standing right
Speaker 2: next to them.
Speaker 5: You feel me.
Speaker 2: They got me and the YMCMB ecosystem right now, but
Speaker 2: I'm not getting Wayne Dwayne Michael Corley Jr.
Speaker 5: To come and stand right next to me.
Speaker 2: And Wayne, I was like that and that that's the
Speaker 2: missing link right now.
Speaker 5: And I didn't foresee that.
Speaker 4: But why why you think that was the case? Why
Speaker 4: Why didn't Tips stand next to you? Didn't Wayne did jail?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Tip was in jail, Okay, so that was universal that
Speaker 4: you had nothing to do with that. Why don't you
Speaker 4: think the Wayne embracement came the way it did for
Speaker 4: a Draken and Tyger?
Speaker 2: Great question because of no personal beefs at all. What
Speaker 2: I didn't recognize at the time, is oh Wayne and
Speaker 2: Baby's starting to So the business was in trouble and
Speaker 2: and and that was before it hit the public to
Speaker 2: where everybody knew like, oh man.
Speaker 4: Dude was really because he had money, man and all
Speaker 4: them and they gave it. They had to pay their
Speaker 4: way back out Sidria kid money.
Speaker 1: It was always cash.
Speaker 5: Money there you go.
Speaker 2: So at this time you got Baby and Slim that's
Speaker 2: forming their stable of artists that they're bringing in that
Speaker 2: Wayne personally ain't got no part of that.
Speaker 1: That's what it was there you go.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: So never got that that that co sign from an
Speaker 2: artist that was like a list, you know, which I
Speaker 2: feel like was really needed. So what I kept doing,
Speaker 2: I ain't stopped. I went on tour with Mackamore. That's
Speaker 2: when Mackilmore, the white boy out of Seattle had no
Speaker 2: here died.
Speaker 5: Man shout out to my dog Max, I rebuk with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too, I do too respectfully, like I
Speaker 4: don't mean no harm by that.
Speaker 1: That's literally a mistake. But the guy name was.
Speaker 4: Overdose man mac Miller mac Miller's That's why I was
Speaker 4: so close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: As well.
Speaker 2: So me and Mackilemore going to it this one. He
Speaker 2: got that song thrift Shop, all right, biggest, biggest song
Speaker 2: in the world at the time, you heard me. And
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here like dang. This man asked me to
Speaker 2: come on tour with him. So then I'm on tour
Speaker 2: with Mackamore. Were going around the whole country together. Bro,
Speaker 2: I'm playing in front of thousands of people each night,
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting here like dang. I'm really all the
Speaker 2: way in the game right now. I'm racking up at
Speaker 2: the merch table. I'm sitting here really like I'm achieving
Speaker 2: stability financially from rapping for the first time. Because in rap,
Speaker 2: it's easy to get popular and hard to get paid.
Speaker 1: Write that down, man.
Speaker 2: So I was popular for about two or three years,
Speaker 2: but I was not getting paid. That Maclimore tour changed
Speaker 2: my life in that department.
Speaker 4: And so what we were talking about was why you
Speaker 4: think you didn't get the little Wayne embrace.
Speaker 5: So all this has happened. So I'm telling you, I
Speaker 5: don't think I ever spoke on this.
Speaker 2: So after the Macimore tours, I end up getting a
Speaker 2: call from RCA Records, right RCA, they got Chris Brown signed.
Speaker 2: They got acept Rocket except third they got USh Air
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 5: Alicia Keys, g Eazy boot Hooo people. They called me.
Speaker 5: We work it out.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm gonna do this deal, cash money situation.
Speaker 2: I didn't end up doing that. Grand hustling materialized. I
Speaker 2: do the RCA deal with no cod sign from a
Speaker 2: big artist store. Right after I do the r c
Speaker 2: A deal, I mean, l A, guess who I meet
Speaker 2: Master P right from my city.
Speaker 5: Meet through mutual contact. Shout out to Jay Tweezy.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Juggie, But at the time, it was
Speaker 2: Jay Tweezy who introduced me to master P. Ja Tweezy
Speaker 2: is a real well known program director from the radio station.
Speaker 5: In Baton Rouge.
Speaker 2: I used to intern for him when I was in college.
Speaker 2: I did all this shit. I intern for Jimmy Henchman.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, right now, you know they got yeah man
Speaker 2: had issues fit them. Shout out to Jimmy Man. I
Speaker 2: was his intern. You know now that I got music
Speaker 2: with the Game, it's a full circle moment because I
Speaker 2: used to be on Game Street Team when I worked
Speaker 2: for Jimmy Henchman, and I mean.
Speaker 1: That's dope. But the and that shows that you have persevered.
Speaker 1: You wanted this. I did you want this?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 5: I did, Bro? I did so.
Speaker 2: When I met P I'll never forget. I was in Memphis,
Speaker 2: Tennessee at the time, and this was my girl at
Speaker 2: the time. It was her birthday, and I'm out there
Speaker 2: for her birthday and I get the call directly from
Speaker 2: P himself. I never met Pee up until this point,
Speaker 2: and he was like, look young and Tweezy told me
Speaker 2: about you and Da Da Da. I'm gonna be in
Speaker 2: New Orleans this weekend. I'm trying to meet up with
Speaker 2: you and me and my girl was going through it
Speaker 2: at the time already, and I was like, Boa, this
Speaker 2: is potentially a once in a lifetime opportunity for me
Speaker 2: to meet Pee.
Speaker 5: He is a legend where I come from. Like, I
Speaker 5: got to go back to New Orleans.
Speaker 2: And I knew that when I left from her birthday
Speaker 2: weekend in our time that we were spending together to
Speaker 2: go back to New Orleans. I knew that I had
Speaker 2: damaged our relationship beyond repair, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I just did believing because she just felt like, it's
Speaker 2: another example that you want this more than you want me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, what is a man that does not work
Speaker 4: or have gold was in ambitions? You know, It's unfortunate
Speaker 4: that someone will put that kind of pressure on someone
Speaker 4: to choose that over there.
Speaker 3: It was tough.
Speaker 1: It was tough.
Speaker 2: So I went to New Orleans and I ended up
Speaker 2: meeting with Pe Bro and P tells me everything that
Speaker 2: I was looking for. He was like, I want to
Speaker 2: be that co sign for you, similar to how Dre
Speaker 2: is for Kendrick Lamore, similar to how jay Z is
Speaker 2: for j Cole. He's literally speaking what I've been looking for.
Speaker 2: But I just signed with r C A literally Bro
Speaker 2: less than less than a month ago. I just signed
Speaker 2: with r C A So and P building his own
Speaker 2: thing at the time. This when he had Alley Boy
Speaker 2: Fat trail. He had, you know, a few artists from
Speaker 2: around the country that he was building his own stable,
Speaker 2: and I had just signed with r C A So.
Speaker 2: Me and Pee still cool to this day, but that
Speaker 2: was that that that situation didn't materialize in terms of
Speaker 2: that co sign. So at that point, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: full fledging the game. I go on tour, I meet
Speaker 2: Lupe Fiasco, I go on tour with Lupe Fiasco. A
Speaker 2: few months later we tour in the country together. That
Speaker 2: felt like somebody that's closest to my lane that I'm
Speaker 2: in mentally and musically.
Speaker 5: And it's a real brotherhood.
Speaker 3: You heard me right?
Speaker 2: Like this watch that I wear did everybody everywhere I
Speaker 2: go people, Yeah, this watch fight Lupe gave me this
Speaker 2: the last day of the tour. I wear this watch
Speaker 2: every day symbolically. Yeah, it reminded me sleeping on the
Speaker 2: front of the tour bus loom. They didn't have a
Speaker 2: bunk for me. But when they came to New Orleans
Speaker 2: and I opened for him on tour, I killed the show,
Speaker 2: and Loupe was like.
Speaker 5: Man, I respect your hustle. Do you doing your thing?
Speaker 5: Come on, you wanna hop on the tour?
Speaker 1: But that's dope.
Speaker 3: We got.
Speaker 2: We gotta couch in the front of the bus and
Speaker 2: I thugged it out, sick and everything, but knowing like, man,
Speaker 2: this is what I.
Speaker 5: Prayed for, is these opportunities.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: So I got on the front of that bus and
Speaker 2: I went rocked every show. And now Lupe Fiasco is
Speaker 2: a professor at m I T and I'm a professor
Speaker 2: at TOLL. Five minutes apart from each other and we linked.
Speaker 2: We was Lincoln for his birthday a few days ago.
Speaker 5: That's my dude.
Speaker 1: That's that's dope.
Speaker 5: We got music together.
Speaker 1: Meet him and Big Cret.
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Speaker 1: I'm going baught football with these brother So when boys
Speaker 1: is some of the men in this game. If you
Speaker 1: said you're going bought for a ball.
Speaker 2: So with that being said at this point and loop
Speaker 2: A wasn't on something like yo, I want to sign
Speaker 2: you or you got to be my allist type of thing,
Speaker 2: but I started to realize these relationships are.
Speaker 5: Just forming organically.
Speaker 3: You feel me.
Speaker 5: Currency, I ain't mentioned my brother Currency.
Speaker 2: We grew up across the street from each other, literally,
Speaker 2: so my house was in the Goose, but Currency where
Speaker 2: he lived at in the East. That's where my grandparents lived,
Speaker 2: literally across the street from my grandparents' crib bro.
Speaker 5: So I've been knowing.
Speaker 2: I've been knowing home since I was a little boy,
Speaker 2: and man, that was something that I always felt like
Speaker 2: like motivated me to feel like I could really do this,
Speaker 2: because when you know somebody and you grew up with
Speaker 2: them and you real close to them, and you seeing
Speaker 2: that they achieving success, you feel like, well, if he
Speaker 2: could do it, I feel like I could do it.
Speaker 2: So I'm seeing currents that make it in the game.
Speaker 2: That's motivating me even more to know, like, man, this
Speaker 2: rap stuff ain't just a dream. This is turning into
Speaker 2: my reality.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 2: I blink my eyes and it's like, all right, man,
Speaker 2: I've been in the game for about five years on
Speaker 2: my own. Now I'm making stable money and I'm seeing
Speaker 2: my brand and my fan base continue to expand. I
Speaker 2: stopped chasing the coat signe and I started just chasing
Speaker 2: an authentic relationship with the people that choose to believe
Speaker 2: in me. And that's why me and my fans so
Speaker 2: close and so tight, because it wasn't we just like
Speaker 2: you because you signed to this person.
Speaker 4: And that's that's why my podcast stands out, is because
Speaker 4: at first the people would always be like.
Speaker 1: Yo, loan we in for the guests, bro, like why
Speaker 1: you be?
Speaker 4: They didn't understand a lot of time the guests would
Speaker 4: literally request for loan break that down, like I want
Speaker 4: to talk to you about Like I remember the first
Speaker 4: time it did. It was with the Reds DeShawn, So
Speaker 4: I got into a scenario telling him about expenses and
Speaker 4: how the labels keep you in the red and the
Speaker 4: negative and certain fans because I was unknown, like who
Speaker 4: is this guy? Like why we want to hear the Reds.
Speaker 4: You fast forward to a year now, they are extremely
Speaker 4: happy with hearing my perception and perspective on things, and
Speaker 4: that is important as an artist to get that footprint
Speaker 4: in the market that's outside of someone else's because they
Speaker 4: can crash that out and you go dine with that.
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan without the Chicago jersey on,
Speaker 4: and so you got to make sure that you are
Speaker 4: who you are, regardless of what team you played for,
Speaker 4: regardless of what industry you're in, regardless of what beat
Speaker 4: your own, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: You know that's facts, and my growth has been our
Speaker 2: So whenever someone asks why I'm not bigger or why
Speaker 2: I'm not on this level, I'm like, man, I wasn't
Speaker 2: even supposed to be here according to industry standards. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm in my fifteenth season in the league. You're heard
Speaker 2: in fifteenth season and still ascending. I'm about to go
Speaker 2: do breakfast club in a few days. I'm here with
Speaker 2: Loanan right now, Me and Starlito just dropped a banger
Speaker 2: last night in the studio, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Me and Project Pat got some heat coming.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: They don't even know this though, Me and right.
Speaker 1: Heat de Bong got some heat coming. I just dropped
Speaker 1: my album from the Hood to Harvard.
Speaker 2: And whether or not the person watching this has it currently,
Speaker 2: just know that that album has been massively successful.
Speaker 4: Right, And before we get to that the RCA thing,
Speaker 4: how do you continue to get these deals? Like, how
Speaker 4: do you get in position to continue to land these
Speaker 4: deals in this industry?
Speaker 2: Well, brother, favor ain't fair, and I have favor all
Speaker 2: over me, Like I'm the dude who people never understood
Speaker 2: why it is how they It's like God really got
Speaker 2: his hand on my life.
Speaker 5: That's why I always have to bring it back to
Speaker 5: speaking in terms of.
Speaker 2: Spiritual perspective, because I'm way more spiritual than I am political,
Speaker 2: way more spiritual than I am financial, way more spiritual
Speaker 2: than I am worldly. Right, Because anything political, financial, or worldly,
Speaker 2: I have seen how when you are on the same
Speaker 2: page as your heavenly father and your creator, those doors
Speaker 2: that typically have to open by way of gatekeepers can
Speaker 2: open by way of God.
Speaker 4: Right, and we're gonna get so we got gatekeepers RCA
Speaker 4: to get to. Here's something I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 4: Do you think master P has the ability to co
Speaker 4: sign an artist's great business man legend in the game,
Speaker 4: made a lot of money, laid the foundation for what
Speaker 4: we see now as independent industry, right with the dropping
Speaker 4: once a month, just so many different things he did.
Speaker 4: But do you think in two thousand and anything that
Speaker 4: Master P possesses the ability to stand next to an
Speaker 4: artist and really turn them up in a way like
Speaker 4: a Yogatti, a QCP of of any one of these
Speaker 4: other exects, even a baby, a Lil Wayne or doctor Dre.
Speaker 5: Anything can happen.
Speaker 1: So that's no. If you say anything, I'm looking for
Speaker 1: yes or no.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're looking for yes or no, yes or no
Speaker 4: and and and I want you to clarify because I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna just accept yo.
Speaker 5: If I'm saying anything can happen, that leans towards yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, Because I.
Speaker 5: Didn't know who P from QC was. I did not
Speaker 5: know who he was. I know he was No, No,
Speaker 5: I'm from New Orleans, brother. If I was Atlanta and
Speaker 5: didn't know.
Speaker 3: Who he was.
Speaker 1: But he is a. P is one of them names
Speaker 1: in his industry cut check cutters, like he's a he's
Speaker 1: one of them. Prior to QC, P was known in
Speaker 1: the industry. What year you're talking about, You didn't know P.
Speaker 1: I didn't know P.
Speaker 5: Like when Migos first came out, when Baby first came out,
Speaker 5: he was.
Speaker 1: The money man. Yeah, no he was. He was industry.
Speaker 1: He wasn't know but P turned all that up. But
Speaker 1: he came in, No, he can't.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: P didn't say, oh now we got a good one
Speaker 4: because Atlanta turned them up. He was a street nigga
Speaker 4: with connections in Atlanta.
Speaker 5: And Coach K turned them up.
Speaker 4: P and Coach, right, really, Coach is the nigga with
Speaker 4: the connections, and then that's why Pete went it got Coach.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear. Pete was a money, a street guy.
Speaker 4: Coach was the dude that managed Jez, he managed Gucci
Speaker 4: that's been in the industry forever.
Speaker 1: Those two together was just unstoppable.
Speaker 4: P understood you gotta spend money to make money, and
Speaker 4: Coach understood that this my second round and I'm one
Speaker 4: of them dudes. To know how to do business at
Speaker 4: a high level, and they made it work. So I'm
Speaker 4: saying that QCP or coach K by themselves didn't turn
Speaker 4: those artists up.
Speaker 1: It was the environment. It was the investment, right and.
Speaker 2: You And if I'm wondering that P was coach K
Speaker 2: and q QCP all in one, no, he definitely was.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen P invest in that way. Brown Empire
Speaker 1: got built, bro, No, No, it was. It was I
Speaker 1: believe no limit to be. He received an inheritance from
Speaker 1: his grandfather, of course, but I'm talking about a hundred
Speaker 1: million times and I believe that, and I watched that.
Speaker 4: But I'm telling you the investment of my own money
Speaker 4: to say, I ain't talking about even were talking about QCP.
Speaker 1: OK, We're gonna talk about it. We're talking about q
Speaker 1: We finished, We literally finish.
Speaker 4: Go QCP coach K verse P master piece right right
Speaker 4: now right, QCP coach K. When things were not profitable
Speaker 4: and it was a high overhead. So think about the
Speaker 4: Migos video. That wasn't a cheap video. When they did
Speaker 4: for Sachi video, they were actually going from the street
Speaker 4: spending whatever thirty forty grand on a video at a
Speaker 4: time Pe was working with the company's money at that
Speaker 4: at a point his overhead was low and he got popping.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about willingness to invest in an artist. I
Speaker 4: don't think master P can hold a candle to Coach
Speaker 4: K and QCP.
Speaker 2: A and you crazy. And this is why you crazy,
Speaker 2: master P. When you were signing the master P, you
Speaker 2: were getting a house in your name.
Speaker 4: You must not know who QCP and Coach K is.
Speaker 4: You know what they given, what they give, they given.
Speaker 1: Their greatness, God blessed dead was signed to them.
Speaker 5: He from New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he wasn't one of those guys and he
Speaker 4: was early well, master P wasn't Erry Picking. If you
Speaker 4: were signing to master P, you were getting a house
Speaker 4: and no ownership in addition, and no ownership is in
Speaker 4: your name, You're wrong. Ownership of the music what you mean?
Speaker 4: Everybody cried about P not paying their music.
Speaker 1: That's on QC.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: They got all got ownership in that music, okay, bro.
Speaker 5: So so that's why a few years ago Offset had
Speaker 5: had the issues.
Speaker 1: When it came to his contract. No, that was about
Speaker 1: a solo deal.
Speaker 4: You don't even about me that that QC artists on
Speaker 4: their own no, no, no, they have a percentage.
Speaker 1: They have interest in their masters. So I understand that.
Speaker 4: Most of those artist, especially the high earners, have interest
Speaker 4: in their masters.
Speaker 1: As it pertains, once you become a high ernald, we
Speaker 1: all go renegotiating.
Speaker 4: Nos P had high eernoerds. He made a lot of
Speaker 4: money off all those guys.
Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg looks up to Master P as a businessman
Speaker 2: to stay it without Master.
Speaker 1: P his career course.
Speaker 4: And I truly believe that he saved P from when
Speaker 4: Sugar was on P. As you say, sorry, when Sugar
Speaker 4: was on Snoop. When Sugar was on Snoop, ass P
Speaker 4: saved Snoop.
Speaker 1: That's what I meant.
Speaker 4: Snoop had issues on the West coast. P came in, Yo,
Speaker 4: we got you down here, Brose. They were they were
Speaker 4: damn there black balling and they were talking about hurting
Speaker 4: Snoop back then, you know what I'm saying. So that's
Speaker 4: what I mean, not that, not that Snoop saved P
Speaker 4: was the other way around. That's why Snoop is in debted.
Speaker 1: He loves P like that.
Speaker 4: It's like you say, you came and mess with me
Speaker 4: when it was dog. He got Dog on him. Man
Speaker 4: pocket died. It's thought man, it got dog.
Speaker 2: So P had to talk the industry talk and go
Speaker 2: hire Michael Jackson's lawyer just to get consultation services and
Speaker 2: go take the meetings with the labels, do a distribution
Speaker 2: deal with priority to where it's like, we gonna keep
Speaker 2: eighty five percent, y'all keep fifteen percent. P did that side,
Speaker 2: and P was bank rollo the whole No Limit Operations
Speaker 2: off set.
Speaker 4: May be the only person that has came out to
Speaker 4: say something about the label QC, and this was about
Speaker 4: a solo deal and they wouldn't even sign this solo axis.
Speaker 1: It was funny because what happens is.
Speaker 4: There's language in the contract that may or may not
Speaker 4: protect against certain things. And then now all of a
Speaker 4: sudden they want to be solo artists, so they gotta
Speaker 4: look into that.
Speaker 1: Whatever. There's been nobody sign.
Speaker 4: The QCP and coach k QC the label that says
Speaker 4: I didn't get paid, I don't got my money.
Speaker 1: He owed me money. Master P had a number of
Speaker 1: people coming out and he run off.
Speaker 4: With all the money and we done good. He got
Speaker 4: me a house, but I didn't get no music. So
Speaker 4: what happens is you know the game. In this trickery game,
Speaker 4: they'll get your house and you'll get nothing else. I
Speaker 4: make ten million off your eye and got your two
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars house. That ain't talking business to nobody
Speaker 4: like me right were talking percentages. We talk and that's
Speaker 4: why I'm telling you investment. I know Coach K and
Speaker 4: QCP is gonna envest. Little Yati had four or five
Speaker 4: bad years. He still got cars every year on Christmas
Speaker 4: his birthday, Still invested, still bought beat, still sent.
Speaker 1: Budgets, never never cut budgets.
Speaker 4: On them in the or anything. Let him find this way. Now,
Speaker 4: look at Yati. He's created at a at a level
Speaker 4: where he's profitable. But those guys are willing to invest
Speaker 4: in a way that I'm telling you. Master P wasn't
Speaker 4: unless you could tell me what investment did.
Speaker 3: He do to his art?
Speaker 5: And master piter Silk the Shaka Intel multi platinum artists.
Speaker 1: And the story and the story come on, man. Master
Speaker 1: P was like, look, I'm even investing. He didn't invest. No,
Speaker 1: what investment did Silk the Shaka get.
Speaker 2: Bro Silk was a multi platinum artist. C Murder multi
Speaker 2: platinum artists. Bro, this is something well, at least a
Speaker 2: platinum artist. Bro, this is something to where P was like,
Speaker 2: I see what I have been able to build, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use some of this equity that I've been
Speaker 2: able to build and make sure that I first of
Speaker 2: all put my brothers on look out for my actual family.
Speaker 2: Whether or not they're regarded as the best lyricists ever
Speaker 2: in the world, who cares. I'm gonna use what I
Speaker 2: do have these resources, I do have to invest in them,
Speaker 2: into them, Bro.
Speaker 1: That's powerful.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: You see QCP and Coach K do it over and
Speaker 4: over and over because they know the formula. So you,
Speaker 4: mister P in my P and I'm telling you he's
Speaker 4: a legend, lot of respect for peace. He ain't done
Speaker 4: it over and over.
Speaker 2: Snoop, mister Snooper snool, he built mystical all right, Silk
Speaker 2: the Shaka he was not then.
Speaker 1: He was nothing. You ever sold millions of record? No
Speaker 1: all right, exactly, so you.
Speaker 5: Can't sell Man.
Speaker 1: There's nothing who's sold millions the record.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, as it pertains to this business and
Speaker 4: what it takes to do that. He came in in
Speaker 4: an ideal time for Master P and No Limit Records.
Speaker 1: The aura around them dictated him to do that.
Speaker 5: Shout out to my man, mister serve On, mister serve
Speaker 5: On with platinum.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mister serv what are you saying when you say that,
Speaker 2: When I'm saying, I'm saying, that shows the power of
Speaker 2: what p being. No, no, no, no, absolutely no, that's market.
Speaker 2: That's market behavior.
Speaker 1: That's not that's market. That's just tomorrow at the time.
Speaker 5: Nah, that's not the market at the time.
Speaker 4: After Peter have a chokehold on rap at the time
Speaker 4: to where whatever he dropped was selling.
Speaker 1: He dropped once a month.
Speaker 5: That speaks to how powerful your brand was.
Speaker 1: That you building. But and he built it on his own. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't build it.
Speaker 4: He didn't build it by investing, though he built it
Speaker 4: by he built it by consistency and dropping music. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you that CEO he built his label like artists
Speaker 4: P and Coach K built their label, like CEOs P
Speaker 4: built his artists built it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, so he built here is like he
Speaker 1: was a artist, right, That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: So his his his his thought process of his To me,
Speaker 4: when I look at No Limit, I don't see the
Speaker 4: investment in the artists like I see for a coach
Speaker 4: k and a Pe, whether it be beats, whether it
Speaker 4: be placements.
Speaker 1: Here there them no limit. Dudes didn't do nothing outside.
Speaker 5: Around bro, y'all gotta stop sleeping on.
Speaker 2: Well, he did do movies, Dad Lee, and not just
Speaker 2: not just movies that nobody knows, movies that did real
Speaker 2: number he did.
Speaker 1: He put them in movies. But the investment in artists
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still don't think he did.
Speaker 5: Tell me, Lord, this will make people uncomfortable about Master P.
Speaker 2: He was Jay Z and Damn Dash in one. He
Speaker 2: was l Cool J and Russell Simmons in one. He
Speaker 2: was little Baby and QCP in one. And people just
Speaker 2: can't fathom that.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 6: Tell me, you mean coach KMP and bail me how
Speaker 6: baby did the same thing? Baby was like, No, Baby
Speaker 6: was the better version of P. So did baby not
Speaker 6: sit there?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 1: I can put P, and I can put Pe and
Speaker 1: Coach and Slim and.
Speaker 4: Baby because they understand investing in artists. I'm telling you
Speaker 4: P has not done this again because he does not
Speaker 4: understand the formula.
Speaker 1: Hold on the whole done it again?
Speaker 2: Pub Bro, That's like saying that because you haven't had
Speaker 2: a hit song or hit artist lately that you got
Speaker 2: lucky the first time.
Speaker 1: You don't get lucky. You don't luck your way to.
Speaker 5: Four hundred million.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't lucky.
Speaker 5: It was it's seventy five million.
Speaker 4: It was you was a benefactor of the industry, right
Speaker 4: and also a king hustler and a and a great
Speaker 4: business man. But I'm telling you that there's a formula
Speaker 4: as a CEO to to pour into an artist. There's
Speaker 4: a formula that you think is just a co sign
Speaker 4: that you be talking about. Will you be saying, man,
Speaker 4: that co sign from that artist. It's more that goes
Speaker 4: into that behind the scenes that I think P doesn't
Speaker 4: possess at this time. I think at that point when
Speaker 4: he was birthing those artists, it didn't required that investment
Speaker 4: that it requires now because of an oversaturated market. I
Speaker 4: think that he was able to throw jet serve on,
Speaker 4: come on serve on yo, feya who anybody around here? Yo?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm thinking he doing with Coach km P.
Speaker 4: It is meticulous, it's playing out. It's invested in the wardrobe,
Speaker 4: the beat, selection, the feature, the man.
Speaker 1: This is a different thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's also your friends and master P is mind.
Speaker 2: So we also both by right, but I want to
Speaker 2: try to have an objective conversation about it.
Speaker 1: You can't how you could call him dudes right now
Speaker 1: and I could call it right now. But tell but
Speaker 1: but tell me.
Speaker 4: The investment argue against the investment side of what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So the investment side of what you're saying is that
Speaker 2: back then there was no social media. That's how I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get you. Your argument is nolling void. Once I
Speaker 2: hit you with this, you couldn't just go online and say, well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get this to go viral or be a
Speaker 2: trend on TikTok and then this single gonna pop off,
Speaker 2: this album gonna pop off.
Speaker 1: You had to spend money at radio. Let's not start
Speaker 1: talking about payola.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the industry don't like to talk about that, but
Speaker 2: you had to spend money, which is aka investment at
Speaker 2: radio to get an artist to pop off. You had
Speaker 2: to do real promo tours. Promo tours mean you're paying
Speaker 2: free go out there exactly. Master P put fifty cent
Speaker 2: on a promo tour. You feel me like this took
Speaker 2: real money. People can't take that away from him. That
Speaker 2: of course he had the hustle, but he had to
Speaker 2: spend money. Bro, there was no other way.
Speaker 1: But he didn't.
Speaker 3: He didn't.
Speaker 1: I know, he spent money.
Speaker 4: And what I'm telling you, he didn't leave with the
Speaker 4: formula of what it takes to the industry changed during
Speaker 4: That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you the.
Speaker 4: Industry then did not require what the attention to detail
Speaker 4: and all these things that requires now.
Speaker 1: But a real hustler gonna always figure it out. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I won't count p out because I feel like if
Speaker 2: he figured out a way to do it now at
Speaker 2: this point, part of being smart and part of being
Speaker 2: a boss is simply knowing how to surround yourself with
Speaker 2: people that's smarter than you. So a lot of it
Speaker 2: nowadays is just what I don't get the new nature
Speaker 2: of the industry. But I could definitely surround myself with
Speaker 2: people who do.
Speaker 4: And I have seen him do that. Yeah, and but see,
Speaker 4: but that's what I mean. I think that p because
Speaker 4: to lose three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: How you know, he lost three hundred million dollars. That's
Speaker 2: nobody knows if that's real or not.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: For him to have ran through three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4: I don't know why you you're playing this game you're play,
Speaker 4: but for him to have ran through three hundred million
Speaker 4: dollars and now be in a scenario where Kodak Black
Speaker 4: would say that he's asking him for money to represent him, like, so,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know that we won't live there. What
Speaker 4: the point I want to make is that I think
Speaker 4: that when you get that money, he just yeah, when
Speaker 4: you get that amount of money and then you lose
Speaker 4: that money for whatever reason. And I mean he spoke
Speaker 4: about the taxes and certain things happening in his life
Speaker 4: that depreciated his funds. What I'm saying is when you
Speaker 4: when you take that level of loss, and I call
Speaker 4: it a loss because anything that I had that I
Speaker 4: no longer have that can serve me and my family
Speaker 4: and my business, I consider that to be a loss.
Speaker 4: So if he no longer has the money that you
Speaker 4: said he made, you say, you don't look up and
Speaker 4: make four hundred million? Ain't there what you said? So
Speaker 4: now how we can't now say that he didn't have
Speaker 4: it or he didn't lose it. You still think he
Speaker 4: got four hundred.
Speaker 2: I don't count another man pocket you counted it to.
Speaker 2: That's not what Street you counted it to. Stall you
Speaker 2: count that's Forbes. Forbes did that, but that's counting fores.
Speaker 2: But but when you count counting.
Speaker 5: Podcasting me to speculate on what another man But that's
Speaker 5: what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: That's what you did. Us street dudes will't do that.
Speaker 5: Bro, you speculated.
Speaker 1: I ain't getting into that. You speculated, right or no,
Speaker 1: you're speculated. You're reported on it right.
Speaker 4: Count pockets isn't me going in the masterpiece bank account.
Speaker 4: Count pockets is simply speaking on what they may or
Speaker 4: may not have. Okay, so you counted pockets as well.
Speaker 1: I read with Forbes reported and then came on a
Speaker 1: big platform and said and regurgitated with Forbes. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you don't have a source to site.
Speaker 4: Rock the p on the on the raps next panel
Speaker 4: about this him and so ask how much money he got.
Speaker 4: I talked to him about the money he lost. I
Speaker 4: didn't put the three hundred out there, but we was
Speaker 4: trying to explain the money bag.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 4: Wife's essential to pay attention in the moment and serve
Speaker 4: some of these undervalued people who handle the business like
Speaker 4: in raps next, some of the distributors, some of the
Speaker 4: people at the stores. It's important for money Bag when
Speaker 4: he's in these markets to stop in the store that's
Speaker 4: making him two million a year.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm money Bag. How's it?
Speaker 4: This is the conversation we were having. And so my
Speaker 4: conversation was, Yo, Bro, you know sometimes we play king maker.
Speaker 4: You know, the money you got, the money you lost,
Speaker 4: like we were trying to give games. So I don't
Speaker 4: want you to think I'm talking just out of osmosis,
Speaker 4: because I'm not right. I'm telling you that we both
Speaker 4: are counting pockets here. Don't run from the count pockets.
Speaker 2: Pockets, bro, if I'm sitting here, something that's googleable, Bro,
Speaker 2: if you speak on it, Counting pockets is not a
Speaker 2: literal term. How much money do I think he has? Now,
Speaker 2: that's no.
Speaker 1: I asked you. Do you still think he got the
Speaker 1: number you said he had?
Speaker 2: Bro, I don't know what p has I really And
Speaker 2: when I say that, I'm being for real because just
Speaker 2: like we might be like man when less time he
Speaker 2: had a hit song or something, just like we might
Speaker 2: say that, we also might not realize damn, how many
Speaker 2: real estate investments he got. How many other companies that
Speaker 2: ain't something that you necessarily broadcast on Instagram?
Speaker 1: Does he have just because he choosing to push sereal
Speaker 1: right now? We don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna play this game like P got hundreds
Speaker 4: of means you can play it because it's your guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play it.
Speaker 6: I know P.
Speaker 4: I know people get business with Pee. I'm a high
Speaker 4: level thinker. I can't play that game. What I will say, though,
Speaker 4: is what I will say though, is that we agreed
Speaker 4: that at some point he had four hundred million.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 4: You don't have to concede that. That's counting pockets. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, in my opinion, that's counting pockets because the
Speaker 4: only thing I'm saying is do you still think he
Speaker 4: got the amount you said he had? Well, I don't
Speaker 4: know where you got it from. I don't care where
Speaker 4: you got it. So what's the point after the point
Speaker 4: after that is losing that amount of money?
Speaker 1: I believe comes with a level of paranoia. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: paranoia where I may not invest. I may not got
Speaker 1: them boys, Coach can't pee them. They spending that ship
Speaker 1: like they got that like it ain't they ain't see
Speaker 1: they ain't went through.
Speaker 4: Nothing like that yet where it's like some taxis or
Speaker 4: something that happened like oh shit, damn, we lost a
Speaker 4: chunk of money.
Speaker 5: There you go, and after people go through that, you
Speaker 5: prove it.
Speaker 2: My point, after people go through that, they might not
Speaker 2: be just spending crazy like like like there's no tomorrow exactly.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: So, when life hit one mogul in a way that
Speaker 2: it hasn't hit another mogul yet, you can't judge that
Speaker 2: first mogo and say, well, that means that he just ain't.
Speaker 2: He just ain't, you know, willing to invest or. He
Speaker 2: never was willing to invest. When life hits you a
Speaker 2: certain way, bro, you gotta understand that. That's like a
Speaker 2: good metaphor is when somebody come fresh out of jail.
Speaker 2: Bobby Schmurder come out of jail. People were so excited
Speaker 2: to see Bobby Schmurder that they instantly was like, where
Speaker 2: the music at? Where the music at?
Speaker 1: Man, I've been gone for seven years?
Speaker 3: Can I live first?
Speaker 1: Can I live a little bit?
Speaker 2: But these fans and these industry people are he falling
Speaker 2: off because he ain't dropping no new music, Madam. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to enjoy being a free man, and people will
Speaker 2: try to push that on you because for them, they're like, no,
Speaker 2: you're almost like my property. Like I feel like you're
Speaker 2: just here to serve me, and fans gotta really think
Speaker 2: about that. I'm about to take this kind of another direction,
Speaker 2: and if you don't want to go here, we don't
Speaker 2: have to. But it's your state. I was in Memphis
Speaker 2: the theay Big got killed. I was doing a speaking
Speaker 2: engagement at a church confany speaking of church, right man,
Speaker 2: I'm out eating. I hear the news and brother. The
Speaker 2: most toxic area of hip hop culture can often be
Speaker 2: found in the comments sections on Instagram comments. Yes, brother,
Speaker 2: I started looking as the news is getting reported, and
Speaker 2: you see all these fans who don't know Doult personally,
Speaker 2: who don't know God It personally, who are finding out
Speaker 2: that a grown black man just got his life taken
Speaker 2: from him, and they just in the comments making jokes
Speaker 2: putting adulph in emlojis they in the comments.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about jokes on jokes.
Speaker 2: Gifts on jips, And I'm seeing this, bro, and it's
Speaker 2: so inhumane that I'm just like this right here is
Speaker 2: something that we can't ignore.
Speaker 5: How we got here, and how we got here.
Speaker 2: Was if we constantly are putting music out and wanting
Speaker 2: fans to suppor there's glorifying a negative, toxic message having
Speaker 2: to deal with selling dope or killing people, then when
Speaker 2: it happens in real life, we also can't expect them
Speaker 2: to be empathetic and say, this is messed up, y'all.
Speaker 5: We need to stop this in our community.
Speaker 2: So the fans take it ten steps further and be like, yep,
Speaker 2: we glorifying that because this ain't nothing but a video
Speaker 2: game to us, and y'all are just our entertainment. That's tough, man,
Speaker 2: because you got people out here who are really losing
Speaker 2: their life and really losing their freedom. So how dare
Speaker 2: I come across like I'm against any of the artists
Speaker 2: in hip hop culture? I'm simply here saying, man, these
Speaker 2: fans don't love us as much as we might think. Brother, Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's all so don't be their mascot, you know, don't
Speaker 2: be their mascot. So let's not have an unhealthy relationship
Speaker 2: with fame and notoriety because a lot of artists.
Speaker 5: Oh it's another one, bro, we could do this all day.
Speaker 2: Another I gotta listen the same way that we sit
Speaker 2: here and we can entertain these things, and we were like, well,
Speaker 2: at least I'm getting paid in the process. Now I'm
Speaker 2: not starving for five days. That's why I got to
Speaker 2: put this message out. I ain't no bad dude, but
Speaker 2: this is just what's going on in the hoods. So
Speaker 2: I'm getting paid off of it. The same way we
Speaker 2: have an unhealthy attachment with money or with fam and success.
Speaker 2: These fans have an unhealthy attachment with their artists to
Speaker 2: the point where they will ride or die behind artists
Speaker 2: who they ain't never met before, who they going through
Speaker 2: with them. Artists are going through, but they'll be out
Speaker 2: here beefing with other people in real life over an
Speaker 2: artists that man, this artists don't know you.
Speaker 5: And that's problematic.
Speaker 3: Bro. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: They choose size the fandom that the parasocial relationship is.
Speaker 1: Next level, man.
Speaker 2: And that's the part I think The point that I
Speaker 2: the point that I said I was gonna get to
Speaker 2: was we have to ask ourselves, how do we have
Speaker 2: a message, make money, and make sure that our mental
Speaker 2: is in a healthy space, because we want all three.
Speaker 2: Anybody if they say they don't want to make some money, right,
Speaker 2: anybody's lying if they say I want my mental health
Speaker 2: to be in a crappy place because I'm in the
Speaker 2: music industry.
Speaker 1: I was suicidal before. I told you that before we.
Speaker 2: Started while signed to Rcaight, while in your city in
Speaker 2: Nashville on the BT Black College Tour, you heard me
Speaker 2: and driving here and contemplating killing.
Speaker 5: Myself right there on the road by myself in the
Speaker 5: car with.
Speaker 2: A whole deal with notoriety, about to be on the
Speaker 2: red carpet for the BT Hip Hop Awards.
Speaker 5: I'm in the site for that year. You know all
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 2: Man, We have to figure out how can we make
Speaker 2: it to where positivity is profitable, to where progress is profitable,
Speaker 2: because ain't nothing wrong with a profit, Ain't nothing wrong
Speaker 2: with it. We should be able to do business in
Speaker 2: that healthy way we talked about that off. We should
Speaker 2: be able to be in hip hop. I think the
Speaker 2: over glorification of getting to the bag like has become
Speaker 2: like the end goal in the North Star for people.
Speaker 2: I don't look up to jay Z just because he's
Speaker 2: a billionaire. I don't look up to Kanye just because
Speaker 2: he's a billionaire. Man, what's your character?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: You heard me because that shouldn't matter as well, because
Speaker 2: you can say Donald Trump is a billionaire, but then
Speaker 2: people be like, well I hate him. You can say
Speaker 2: that this person is a billionaire, that there's out here
Speaker 2: bombing and killing thousands of people overseas in the wall,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So that is what has
Speaker 2: happened in our culture, bro Is. We can't act like
Speaker 2: any of this stuff is off the table. I'm not
Speaker 2: telling everybody to take a vow to poverty and become
Speaker 2: a priest and don't worry about making no money, bro Like.
Speaker 1: Because people are gonna do what works.
Speaker 4: Yes, people are gonna think that the female rappers are
Speaker 4: adopting what the male rappers did that worked for the
Speaker 4: male that worked for the male rappers, right. They doing
Speaker 4: the beef thing, They doing the talking about the slide.
Speaker 2: And telling sex about slide, beefing with each other. That's
Speaker 2: the big three.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So when we see these women doing this.
Speaker 5: I'm just like where the OG's at though, because once again.
Speaker 1: It's beneficial behavior.
Speaker 4: It's no one gonna be able to tell someone like
Speaker 4: a sexy red I have two three children.
Speaker 1: This is working, sir. Like you what are you saying?
Speaker 1: You're coming here saying it's working for who for her?
Speaker 5: Okay, but what is it doing to the millions of
Speaker 5: people that is that is brainwashing?
Speaker 4: First you first, you worry about you, then you worry
Speaker 4: about others. That's called individualism, right. People tend to say that,
Speaker 4: but everyone everyone worries about themself first, absolutely, Maslow's how
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: Of course self president, that's gonna be. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: right how it is.
Speaker 5: But if we truly want to make progress, we got
Speaker 5: to start to think about it.
Speaker 1: Well, we will make progress again. That's why I say
Speaker 1: there's time.
Speaker 4: There's a like we were talking about juice World and
Speaker 4: these people not getting a chance to actually develop. There's
Speaker 4: a developmental process. There's a learning curve that these people
Speaker 4: have to go through.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: A lot of times we're critical of people that's in
Speaker 4: the twenties, like a sexy red which I do know
Speaker 4: how that some of that messaging comes off. But Yo,
Speaker 4: self preservation is the first thing I think. I ain't like, Yo,
Speaker 4: if that's working, who, how you gonna.
Speaker 1: Come tell her to stop that? It's gonna be rough
Speaker 1: to do. It's gonna be rough to tell. Even these
Speaker 1: guys around here. It's gonna be rough to.
Speaker 4: Say, Yo, you gotta stop hustling, bro, like you're hurting
Speaker 4: the community. Yeah, but I'm feeding my baby.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I can give you an alternative.
Speaker 4: That's what the that's what it is now. The alternative
Speaker 4: has to not only be an alternative, but effective.
Speaker 2: An effective alternative yeah, fair enough, but also it has
Speaker 2: to be something where we might tell that person, Yo,
Speaker 2: you might make less money than you is making hustling,
Speaker 2: but you're gonna gain exponentially emotionally, spiritually, and mentally because the.
Speaker 1: Sex you rate.
Speaker 4: What would you give some game you can give sexy
Speaker 4: rec Because my thing about you is I think you're
Speaker 4: gonna have to start just giving the game without being
Speaker 4: in these people presence. I think that that's gonna be
Speaker 4: your achilles heel for these people, even when they going
Speaker 4: behind closed doors to say, yeah, but he tells me
Speaker 4: you want to meet with a nigga. I don't want
Speaker 4: to like that sound like something is into that, you know,
Speaker 4: and I know it's not. I know, Bro, I'm listen
Speaker 4: because when I hear respect, when I hear Joe, when
Speaker 4: I hear when I hear the response of these people,
Speaker 4: I know, because how can he call you a cloud chaser.
Speaker 2: Is irritating their demons, And when that happens, then people
Speaker 2: just gonna be like, I gotta take a low blow.
Speaker 1: I got a name call, I gotta make fun of it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm not a disrespectful dude. Brother, I'm not out here.
Speaker 2: I don't walk around on or strapped or nothing like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not looking to fight nobody, but I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be like Jesus Christ. So with that being said, when
Speaker 2: it gets to the point where people come out and
Speaker 2: either threatening me physically or just want to make fun
Speaker 2: of me and make fun of my accent and say
Speaker 2: I'm a basket head and all this type of stuff,
Speaker 2: or when people want to instantly call me a cloud chaser,
Speaker 2: something about my spirit is irritating your demons.
Speaker 4: You don't think it's your words what you said to him, Yo, Bro,
Speaker 4: you said something to me like you said something about mine.
Speaker 1: I'm over here, minding my business. We just dropped the album.
Speaker 4: If I'm making ross, we just dropped the album, were
Speaker 4: doing our little It depends on what gets said.
Speaker 5: Because if somebody calls me gay tomorrow, I'm sitting there
Speaker 5: like you clown.
Speaker 1: Not if they're on Breakfast Club if they have a
Speaker 1: breakfast club.
Speaker 4: Joe said something about you that was little to none,
Speaker 4: and you came and responded little to nothing. Well, I
Speaker 4: mean I ain't saying yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to
Speaker 4: take that back, right, because that's not little to none.
Speaker 4: What I mean is in the grand scheme of what
Speaker 4: you've been able to accomplish, that dude saying that over
Speaker 4: there didn't stop nothing.
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect.
Speaker 4: Anything, right, It deserves a response from a market standpoint, right,
Speaker 4: But in the grand scheme, take my.
Speaker 5: Point, which is why I said I could still hug
Speaker 5: Joe Budden to this day.
Speaker 2: Like that's why you didn't understand when I say that,
Speaker 2: it's because that didn't bother me on that type of level.
Speaker 1: Too, I would. But intentions are important.
Speaker 5: Intentions are very important.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 5: So if you.
Speaker 4: Intended to to to to chop me down, that's why
Speaker 4: I don't want to speak to some of these other
Speaker 4: that's what and I want to I want you to
Speaker 4: help me with that because I have no I have
Speaker 4: no desire to know do your blessings come from any
Speaker 4: of them people?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 1: Because of that, your attempts.
Speaker 2: To chop me down simply a waste of your valuable
Speaker 2: time here on earth because you're not gonna chop me
Speaker 2: down because you don't feed me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can't starve me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't fuck you can't do nothing with me but
Speaker 1: your intentions.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And because of them intentions, it's like, all right, that
Speaker 2: might mean that we ain't gonna be best friends at
Speaker 2: the end of the day.
Speaker 4: And I can't hug you, and I can't hug you,
Speaker 4: and we not see that's in the church. It feels
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of fake hugging this stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, Well with Jesus, nothing was fake in
Speaker 5: the church.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fake, a lot of stuff, a
Speaker 2: lot of fake, you know, a whole bunch of types
Speaker 2: of behavior.
Speaker 5: But there's also a lot of real behavior.
Speaker 1: With that being said, Bro.
Speaker 2: Judas, Judas sold Jesus out. Man, he gave a drop
Speaker 2: on on Jesus. Lord, like look this way, yeah, y'all
Speaker 2: come get him. You know what I'm saying, y'all take him,
Speaker 2: y'all go kill him for thirty pieces of silver. Right,
Speaker 2: Judas did that.
Speaker 1: Guess what Jesus did.
Speaker 5: Wash that man feet at the Last Supper, wash his feet.
Speaker 1: I'm still sitting.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: Lord, that's that's how that's how high the bar has
Speaker 2: been set. That's why I'm always gonna be hult.
Speaker 1: I'm not I swear respect that bro. That's I got
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for that man.
Speaker 4: And I'm digging into it because I'm trying to get
Speaker 4: some information to incorporate some of it. You see what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because I don't I don't want to be
Speaker 4: the shell that I am. But it's it's it's safe.
Speaker 4: It keep you safe. I don't hug a nigga, that
Speaker 4: just saying what about me?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: That's that's because that's my north star. God is my
Speaker 2: north star. So I'm looking at all of the behavior
Speaker 2: that's already been modeled. Man, Jesus did this already.
Speaker 1: Cool how he handled this, So how I'm gonna handle
Speaker 1: a podcast I'm talking about it?
Speaker 5: Come on, man, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Tell you some real This thing you want so bad
Speaker 1: though they're trying to tag down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know what, it ain't that I wanted.
Speaker 5: First of all, I'm a made man. I got it.
Speaker 4: Now, this thing you got, but they can affect it,
Speaker 4: they destroy it, they can affect I think I just
Speaker 4: I think I just be sitting there, like if you
Speaker 4: know that, you Lebrin, if you know that you Steph
Speaker 4: Curry and you see somebody talking about you, and you're
Speaker 4: just like, man, But what you can't do is stop
Speaker 4: these balls.
Speaker 2: I'm about to spit on the Loon Show, or stop
Speaker 2: this from the Hood to Harvard album, or stop this
Speaker 2: this hip hop children's book. David found his sling shot
Speaker 2: that y'all need to go get that. Then't change the
Speaker 2: lives of thousands and thousands of people independently, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So with all that being said, I
Speaker 2: think I'm just in a place now where I wasn't
Speaker 2: there thirteen years ago. When I'm in that room and
Speaker 2: I'm seeing inconsistencies in people's behavior and character.
Speaker 5: But they got all the leverage because I'm like, I
Speaker 5: might need this person.
Speaker 2: I ain't there, bro I ain't there, And I want
Speaker 2: to tell you this, this is just another example the
Speaker 2: dudes they held the gun to my head.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: When I was in college, man, like I said, it's
Speaker 2: somebody that's pretty pretty well known who you know, some
Speaker 2: people might know. I would say a good bit of
Speaker 2: people will probably know who they were, This person's partner,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Me and this person since then,
Speaker 2: because this is a like I said, a public figure
Speaker 2: have crossed paths at least five times in life, right
Speaker 2: and