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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: about the BBB and how the GOP is twisting itself

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, I love this chart front of the show

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Speaker 2: Justin Wolfers made where he shows Trump Ruber's about fire

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Speaker 2: Jerome Powell making the market crash and then him saying

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Speaker 2: the stupidity that goes on with this volatile, volatile man.

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Speaker 1: So Trump wants to fire Drome Pal why does he

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Speaker 1: want to do this. Also, does he remember that he

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Speaker 1: in fact hired Drome Pal in his first administration.

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Speaker 3: He does not, judging by his remarks today, he does not.

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Speaker 1: He wants to fire him because he wants to lower

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Speaker 1: interest rates. He wants to lower interest rates because he

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Speaker 1: wants a Banana Republic, and also because he thinks it'll

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Speaker 1: Trump cannot fire drome Pal, and he's sick of fans

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Speaker 1: like you can't fire You can do anything you want,

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Speaker 1: but you can't fire drome Pal. Well, that crew has

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Speaker 1: said he can't do it, there's no legal justification for it,

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Speaker 1: and he can't do it now. That said, he wants

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Speaker 1: So he wrote a letter about a sort of Dear

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Speaker 1: John letter to Jerome Pale. He showed it to Republicans

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Speaker 1: like everyone involved in this story is of is both

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Speaker 1: put too fine a point on it here. But Republicans

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Speaker 1: going to fire Jerome Pale, which he can't do, so

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg reported this. CBS reported that Trump is circulating the

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Speaker 1: idea to Congressional Republicans on Tuesday because those are his buddies, right,

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Speaker 1: the dumbest members of Congress. Trump wants a three percent

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Speaker 1: point rate cut. It will be so, I mean, already

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Speaker 1: are dead. Okay, we have huge debt in this country.

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Speaker 1: We borrow it at the pleasure of being this currency.

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Speaker 1: You can see a world where the skittish bond market says, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Trump's going to be an emerging market dictator. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: We're going to treat your debt like emerging market debt.

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Speaker 1: And that means, you know, it becomes significantly more expensive

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Speaker 1: and more fucked. We are just running head straight into

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Speaker 1: a brick wall, as often we see in Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and I want to reduce something which I think is

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Speaker 1: like so trumpy. Right, Andrew Jackson's were with the Second

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Speaker 1: how we got here. Right, This Treasury Fed a court

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Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty one that delineates the roles of the

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Speaker 1: two institutions at managing government debt. But you know, Trump

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Speaker 1: Trump sees this inflation data which shows shockingly that the

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Speaker 2: He has more shakeups at the staff at the Health Department.

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Speaker 2: I'm really shocked to hear this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're I'm shocked to hear the people hate working

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Speaker 1: caused almost entirely by his terrible misinformation. So this week

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Speaker 1: I just remember why there's so much stuff about this administration,

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Speaker 1: So you'll see tons and tons of really bad stories

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Speaker 2: So in other stories about not being able to maintain

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Speaker 1: So this is one hundred and ten lawyers in the

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Speaker 1: You're coming from an administration where you did things like

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of friends of the show, Josh Marshall is

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Speaker 2: TPM has an amazing investigative reporting article on the contracts

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Speaker 2: that show millions of dollars diverted from disaster resources of Florida.

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Speaker 2: We're used to build Desantas Alligator Alcatraz that is already

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, my god, detention camp in Florida in the Everglades,

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Speaker 4: What could happen?

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Speaker 1: So hurricane season's about to start, and Trump has said

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Speaker 1: he's going to you know, eviscerate FEMA. Basically that's part

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Speaker 1: in this that Talking Points memo has in here that

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Speaker 1: says they've identified contracts and invoices totally about nineteen million

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Speaker 1: You know, there's still like this weird tech thing where

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Speaker 1: there's no world in which this is okay to use

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Speaker 1: for the detention camp. Yeah, sure, I'm sure there'll be

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Speaker 4: Possibly? Although I actually what I'm hearing now is a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I could send it to you, but I

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Speaker 4: was in a Mexican newspaper. But it's for somebody who's

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Speaker 4: but I think Mexico is also like all the neighbors.

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Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah, and I think a lot of that's acts.

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Speaker 4: He's driven by Ukraine, where they I think they may

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Speaker 4: I don't think i've seen every seen anti Americanism this high.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the longer run trendancy beyond like

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Speaker 4: who he said he was, you know. So yeah, I think, yeah, like, uh,

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Speaker 4: it's been great. I mean like just you know, like

436
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, the way that Trump has messed

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Speaker 4: us up, as you said, like you couldn't even begin

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Speaker 4: to imagine. We're not even talking about the the cover

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Speaker 4: up with they released this video of like the jail cell,

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Speaker 4: and like you know, like now it turns out there's

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Speaker 4: like almost three minutes missing from that, Like well you know,

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Speaker 4: like right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that didn't solve anyone's problems. That was the metadata

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Speaker 1: shows three minutes lost, yes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I never want to say like oh yeah,

446
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Speaker 4: we got old Donnie now. But yeah, like I think

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Speaker 4: it has always been a sort of you know, one

448
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 4: of these like boxing midges, like Ali versus Apartman, where

449
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: you gotta keep punching, you gotta keep punching, and I

450
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 4: gotta say, if that'll knockout, it's a strong punch, right.

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Speaker 1: And it also is it's sort of the end of

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Speaker 1: the line, right. You see him trying to obfuscate and pivot,

453
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Speaker 1: and he's saying things like this is Comy by the way, Okay, sure,

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Speaker 1: I don't care, never liked Comy.

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Speaker 4: It makes no sense. Like, okay, let's say, like Obama

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Speaker 4: and Kobe fabricated the stuff the file did, why did

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Speaker 4: they use that?

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Speaker 3: Look?

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah exactly, and they did use it. And

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Speaker 1: I think so you have you have Trump blaming Obama

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Speaker 1: and Comy. You have this sort of reflexive you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia. What's so

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Speaker 1: interesting about Trump two point zero is besides the fact

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Speaker 1: that we just our lives are passing us bar and

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Speaker 1: we've spent all this time writing about the dumbest person

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Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, just I mean, don't you

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Speaker 1: feel like as a writer at the beginning of Trump

468
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Speaker 1: one point zero, you thought, wow, this is so insane.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of interesting, like it's terrible for all of us,

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Speaker 1: but it's so interesting. And now you're just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's stupid. He's gonna do something stupid. Here's

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen, something stupid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I mean, I mean, I know. The

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Speaker 4: circus has lost its thrills a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: And people don't tune in for it because they know

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Speaker 1: it's just going to be stupid, Like you might as

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Speaker 1: well just watch Love Island.

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely, absolutely don't know. It's also that the limits

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Speaker 4: of his act reappaired intellect Yeah. Yeah, like he's kind

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Speaker 4: of really stuck in the past in a way that fight.

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Speaker 4: You know, like he is still very much, you know,

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Speaker 4: a creature of prevents, still obsessed with stuff that happened

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Speaker 4: five ten years ago. He's ever like willing to let

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Speaker 4: anything go. And also like it's totally these are all

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Speaker 4: irrelevant things, Like it's actually not like resting. This is

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Speaker 4: to do with rest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nothing, not even a little. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about just for a minute here. There are a number

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Speaker 1: of big problems that Trump has right inflation, wants to

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Speaker 1: fire the chairman of the Fed. The Ukraine stuff. He

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Speaker 1: told PUNI had fifty days again Putin. Supposedly, there's some

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Speaker 1: Putin had said you needed another fifty days, right like that.

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Speaker 1: There's some sense in which maybe Trump is not I'd

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Speaker 1: be shocked to hear this acting on the level when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Putin. Tell us what you sort of think,

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Speaker 1: the kind of you think it's more sort of obfiscating

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Speaker 1: and heading into more trade wars. I mean, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, or whatever the hell this is. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you. I mean, it's sort of like trade wars

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Speaker 4: and then not trade wars.

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Speaker 1: And infrastructure remember infrastructure week.

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Speaker 4: That's very exactly Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean he's

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Speaker 4: just like he likes to kick the ball down the

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Speaker 4: road a little bad, you know, like he's kind of

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Speaker 4: really tready. I mean that he basically ran again out

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Speaker 4: of revenge. His ego had been heard by losing to Viiden.

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Speaker 4: He could never accept the fact that he lost to Vidin.

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Speaker 4: You know, he came back to show that he could

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Speaker 4: come back. And he has a bunch of these obsessions,

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Speaker 4: like let's make a deal with Putin, and let's do

511
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Speaker 4: trade wars, I mean, and but a lot of it,

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Speaker 4: the stuff that he's doing that way, he's had I

513
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Speaker 4: wouldn't say success, but it's done a lot of damage.

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Speaker 4: Is where he can offload it to someone who does care,

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Speaker 4: like Steven Miller really does care about like you know,

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Speaker 4: creating Mickey America as white as possible and like deporting

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Speaker 4: everyone and so so yeah, Miller's in charge of immigration,

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Speaker 4: doing immense amount of damage on the trade stuff he has.

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Speaker 4: Trump has his preferences, but he still keeps going back

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Speaker 4: and forth on all this, you know, Like so I

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Speaker 4: think a lot is gonna be credit water and on

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Speaker 4: the rush, on the Ukraine, on on foreign policy in general.

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Speaker 4: He has no idea, no clue, so he'll just like

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Speaker 4: waiver back and forth between different factions of his government,

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Speaker 4: you know, some of whom want to withdraw from Europe

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Speaker 4: and some of whom are like, you know, like want

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Speaker 4: to keep going. And it's the same as amilies. So

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be it's he started like flaying a lot.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I actually think that on the issue that

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Speaker 4: he's like done the most is also the most vulnerable,

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Speaker 4: which is immigration. Well, I think a lot of sort

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Speaker 4: of middle of the royal people did think like, oh,

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Speaker 4: he's just gonna get rid of the bad people, the

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Speaker 4: gang members and whatnot. And yeah, like you know, every

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Speaker 4: day we're seeing like, you know, like just ordinary you know,

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Speaker 4: people who've been there for ten twenty years, have lots

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Speaker 4: of family here, I've been working here, you know, being

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Speaker 4: deported and it's it's you know, it's number one. Immigration

539
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Speaker 4: are like terrible, and support for like amnesty, powerway immigration

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Speaker 4: has never been higher. I'm a little bit puzzled by

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Speaker 4: like why some Democrats have really step out of the play,

542
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Speaker 4: but a lot of them are like reluctant on this,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's a mistake because you know, as

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Speaker 4: Carl Rope taught us, you attack your enemy on where

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Speaker 4: they're the strongest. And Trump had used to be the

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Speaker 4: strongest on immigration. And if you can really hammer home

547
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Speaker 4: that he sold the Bill of Goods on immigration and

548
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Speaker 4: he's like watching this and on the trade stuff, then

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, he and the propokas are very vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cheat here least come back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I was happy to be a Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 4: could become a war for their Trump does play and

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Speaker 4: does lots wear against CANDADALLC.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Jared Moskoodz represents Florida's twenty third district. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Congressman.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, Molly? How you doing good?

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Speaker 1: What's happening with the Epstein files? Let's talk about that first.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what you're talking about. Is has

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Speaker 3: been in the news.

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Speaker 1: No, it has not been in the news. But if

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Speaker 1: it were to have been in the news, why can't

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Speaker 1: you just get over Epstein?

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Speaker 3: Because I'm weak in listening to the Democrats, right, That's

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Speaker 3: why I mean, first of all, let's go let's go

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Speaker 3: to the beginning, right, Yes, people forget when he was

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Speaker 3: running against Hillary, President Trump was the one who brought

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Speaker 3: up Epstein. He was when he was running against the

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Speaker 3: other Republicans in the primary. He was saying, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's being very bad for Bill Clinton because you know,

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Speaker 3: he went to the island just to ask Prince Andrew, right,

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Speaker 3: and that's kind of where where it all started. And

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Speaker 3: from that day on, right, he's been talking about, you know,

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Speaker 3: Epstein and his whole movement's been talking about the deep state.

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Speaker 3: How you know there's a list and how they're how

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Speaker 3: they're gonna take it to high society and that it's

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Speaker 3: all these Democrats, including the Clintons on this list, right,

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Speaker 3: and they're gonna expose it and they're gonna go after

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Speaker 3: the deep state and take it down. Now, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's other people that thinks like, oh, the CIA is

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Speaker 3: involved or foreign countries involved. Right, And you got Dan

582
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Speaker 3: Bongino and Cash Mattel who made it, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: made their career online with this stuff.

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Speaker 1: They wind up government gangsters, government gangsters.

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Speaker 3: They wind up in the administration, in the in the

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Speaker 3: Department of government to go after this. Pam Bondi, who

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Speaker 3: was the Attorney General of Florida who dealt with Epstein there,

588
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Speaker 3: becomes the attorney general here. She's dealing with Epstein. What

589
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Speaker 3: does she do. She releases binders with nothing in them,

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Speaker 3: beautiful nice white binders. I have one for you if

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Speaker 3: you'd like one.

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Speaker 1: Phase one, Phase one, Phase one, what was gonna be

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Speaker 1: phase two?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is like this is like the Avengers movies,

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Speaker 3: multiple phases. Okay, So so she does this binder there's

596
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Speaker 3: nothing in them, complete embarrassment. You would think at that

597
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Speaker 3: point maybe pivot, maybe figure out how to land it. Nope,

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Speaker 3: she comes on Fox and she says, the list is

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Speaker 3: on my desks, right as if there was a list

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Speaker 3: and it was on her desk, and now that then

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Speaker 3: they do a memo and she says, guess what, no

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Speaker 3: list and no desk. I don't even have a desk.

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Speaker 1: So let's just pause for a minute in the interests

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Speaker 1: of just dis secting the stupid heir, what do we

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Speaker 1: think you think she was talking about the phone book

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Speaker 1: like there has been a follow.

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Speaker 3: At this point, who the fuck knows? Right, Look like

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Speaker 3: I have no idea?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, member of Congress here, man, what member of

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Speaker 1: our government?

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Speaker 3: Yes, well most members of Congress probably, yeah. But at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, I mean, we have no

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Speaker 3: idea what's going on? This has been a one eighty

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Speaker 3: that is not just confused Democrats MAGA themselves have no

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Speaker 3: fuse and bewildered. I'm watching Benny Johnson, Mike Flynn, the

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Speaker 3: guy from VERITASO Keith, like they don't even know what

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Speaker 3: to do here. They're still siding on you know, they're

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Speaker 3: still opposing the president, wanting to release because they feel

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Speaker 3: like this pedophile who hurt children had people from high

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Speaker 3: society and that there are names, there.

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Speaker 1: Are a lot of reasons to want to release this.

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Speaker 3: Now Trump says that this is all the Democrats fault,

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Speaker 3: where the one who came up with this, We're the one,

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Speaker 3: I mean talk about projection, I mean the Lord. So

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Speaker 3: now this now he's trying to get people to believe

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Speaker 3: like for the last several years, this hoax that they've

627
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Speaker 3: been talking about, this conspiracy theory that they talked about

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Speaker 3: that they believe in, either is either true or a hoax.

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Speaker 3: The Democrats created Biden in the basement. Clearly Barack Obama

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Speaker 3: were still blaming him for stuff. Yeah, okay, and James

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Speaker 3: it is and Komy it is absolutely wild. But this

632
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: is really the first instance we're seeing where the MAGA

633
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: base ain't buying it. They're not buying it, right, And

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00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: so you have to ask yourself a question. Were they

635
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: lying then or are they lying now?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Is there is there no there there and it was

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Speaker 3: all a lie? Or is it so bad? Is so

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Speaker 3: bad that it would take down the president and other

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Speaker 3: people in the government.

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Speaker 1: On Earth one where we I guess live. It's the

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Speaker 1: federal government in a normal federal government. The reason why

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't release a list of anything, and we don't

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Speaker 1: even know if there is a list. Clearly, we know

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Speaker 1: there's a phone book because we've seen reporting of people

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Speaker 1: calling the numbers in the phone book, so we do

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Speaker 1: know there's a phone book. But if there was something

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Speaker 1: like that, the reason why you can't release something like that,

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Speaker 1: if you're not going to press charges, is because you

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Speaker 1: are then liable for all you know, ruining these people's lives,

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Speaker 1: and they can sue you.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, one hundred percent. But also we got Jilane

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Speaker 3: Maxwell in prison. Yeah, she's in jail. The Department of

654
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Speaker 3: Justice is asking the Supreme Court to deny her appeal.

655
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Speaker 3: There are Republicans who want to bring her to Capitol

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Speaker 3: Hill so she can testify. The administration opposes that.

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Speaker 1: Why and let let's get back for a second, because

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Speaker 1: yesterday you guys in the House brought explain to us

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Speaker 1: what happened yesterday and why Republicans blocked it, and who

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Speaker 1: the Republicans were who blocked it.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so there was a there was a rule vote

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Speaker 3: in the Rules Committee with an amendment. Only one Republican

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Speaker 3: voted for that, Ralph Norman Okay, which would have forced

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Speaker 3: the release of the Epstein Files or other Republicans on

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Speaker 3: the Rules Committee voted against it. Then there was a

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Speaker 3: previous question where this language was tied in okay, and

667
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Speaker 3: Republicans voted against it. In fairness to Republicans, they would

668
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Speaker 3: never have allowed us to win the previous question. Anyways.

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Speaker 3: These are like rule fights anyways. But yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: the first time to put them on the board. Now

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Speaker 3: you have a discharge petition with Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 3: Green and Democrats. What a weird soup of that.

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Speaker 1: You have the numbers for that to get to pass, right,

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Speaker 1: because Thomas max do.

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Speaker 3: In fact, in fact, the rumors are they're gonna send

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Speaker 3: us home. Before we actually signed the petition.

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Speaker 1: Johnson just said yesterday, release it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Like Mike Johnson, he's a nice guy, he's

679
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Speaker 3: a pleasant guy to have a conversation with. He's not

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Speaker 3: in charge of the House, Molly, okay, he can say

681
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Speaker 3: whatever he wants. But this is Trump's house, okay. And

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Speaker 3: and so at the end of the day, I don't

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Speaker 3: care what Johnson says to Manu, right, I care what

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Speaker 3: the President is saying. And that's what you have to

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Speaker 3: listen to. And the President's telling is move on, Move

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Speaker 3: on the guys. The guy's dead. Forget about it. There's

687
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Speaker 3: no there there. It was a hoax, it was Russia Gate,

688
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Speaker 3: it was you know, the the Steel dossier. Good god,

689
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: that's gonna go away. Telling people like, if you still

690
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Speaker 3: believe in the Epstein thing, I don't want your support.

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00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: Your weak He's willing to burn his own base over Epstein.

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Speaker 3: And so look, I was never like a big believer

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Speaker 3: in this whole thing. Obviously this Efstein was a terrible person.

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Speaker 3: That he rotten.

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Speaker 1: Hell.

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Speaker 3: We obviously have to make sure his victims are protected,

697
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: of course, but the over the top protection of by

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Speaker 3: the president from that's what is intriguing strange. That is

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Speaker 3: what is intriguing people.

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Speaker 1: And there is also alex Acosta giving him this sweetheart

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Speaker 1: deal the first time, and that costa goes into the

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Speaker 1: Trump admin.

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Speaker 3: That's right, it's.

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Speaker 1: Not, this is not There is definitely a lot of

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Speaker 1: smoke here.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's definitely a lot of smoke And we know

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Speaker 3: that Trump knew him and had a relationship with him,

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Speaker 3: and Trump's probably all over a bunch of stuff, right

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Speaker 3: that we know that's been well well reported. They knew

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Speaker 3: each other for a long period of time. What we

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00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: don't know is who went to the island. That's what.

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Speaker 3: Who was there? That's the list, right, But even if

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Speaker 3: it's not a one sheet of paper, list, right, who

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Speaker 3: are the people who went to the island? And that's

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Speaker 3: what people want to know, and that is what At

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Speaker 3: this point it appears the President is trying to protect

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Speaker 3: that list of names. But why don't we let why

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Speaker 3: don't we let her come testify, Let her come testify

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Speaker 3: to Congress. Let's see what she has to say.

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Speaker 1: But there are also hundreds of videos, thousands of videos

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Speaker 1: and documents, and I mean.

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Speaker 3: If it wasn't destrip Molly, if it wasn't destroyed, Hold

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Speaker 3: on a second, there were at some point we were

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Speaker 3: told videos.

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Speaker 1: FPI sent it to the DJ, didn't they? So she said,

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Speaker 1: so she.

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Speaker 3: Said, okay, we I mean, you know, if you look

728
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Speaker 3: at the poli, the American people don't believe a word

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Speaker 3: that's coming out of DJ on this. So look, as

730
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Speaker 3: Donald Rumsveld used to say, there are unknown unknowns, right,

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Speaker 3: May he rest in peace.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say you're my favorite member of Congress,

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Speaker 1: because there are members of Congress that I am actually

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Speaker 1: very friendly with. You are but right now you are

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Speaker 1: my favorite member of Congress.

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Speaker 3: It was the Donald rumsveld quote that got you. Love that, oh,

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Speaker 3: love that corupt You ever see the letter he sent

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Speaker 3: to the I R S about his taxes by the way, no, oh,

739
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Speaker 3: you've got go google it when we're done. He sent

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Speaker 3: a letter when Donald Rumsfeldt one year sent a letter

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Speaker 3: to the I R S. And the letter, the gist

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Speaker 3: of it was something like, you tell me that I

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Speaker 3: owe X amount of dollars this year. I'm gonna send

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Speaker 3: you that amount of money, but I actually think you're wrong.

745
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Speaker 3: I owe you more. You have no idea. You have

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Speaker 3: no idea how much I owe you. I really have

747
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Speaker 3: no idea how much I owe you. I'm gonna send

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Speaker 3: you what you're telling me. It's a very funny letter.

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Speaker 1: It is about to be hurricane season in Florida. You

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Speaker 1: guys climate change. I live in New York. We just

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Speaker 1: had flooded subways, very scary, lots of flooding. We've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of flooding already. Your governor Ron DeSantis may

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Speaker 1: have spent quite a lot of there's reporting from Talking

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Speaker 1: Points Memo that he may have spent quite a lot

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Speaker 1: of FEMA money on Alligator Alcatraz, not FEMA money, but

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Speaker 1: state money for hurricanes. Now we have this hurricane season coming.

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Speaker 1: Trump is trying to dissolve FEMA. Talk us through this

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Speaker 1: incredibly bad situation that's about to hit Florida.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so let me go through the whole thing. So

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Speaker 3: on Alligator Avatraz, there's a grant that's within homeland, about

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Speaker 3: six hundreds that's in account that FEMA is going to

762
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Speaker 3: process for reimbursement. So the governor is spending state money

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Speaker 3: while he will then wait for a FEMA reimbursement. Who

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Speaker 3: knows how long that'll take or if it'll come at all, Right,

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Speaker 3: because FEMA, FEMA is reimbursing at the crosshairs. Still is

766
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Speaker 3: right possible? That being said, the state of Florida has

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Speaker 3: the money. We're not Alba or Mississippi or Louisiana. They

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Speaker 3: do have the money. So from a fiscal issue, right,

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Speaker 3: even though they have spent way too much money building

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Speaker 3: Alligator Alcatraz, right, it will not impact the state's ability

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Speaker 3: to respond in a hurricane.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk too, you think, but also is this

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Speaker 1: legal to move around these funds like this?

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Speaker 3: Well that look, I don't know the fund that it's

775
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: rumored that Homeland is using was actually a fund that

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Speaker 3: they froze that was being used being used to reimburse

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Speaker 3: New York for that for the immigration issues there that

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Speaker 3: they then criticized and fired someone at FEMA for reimbursing

779
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Speaker 3: New York. But now they're taking the money and reimbursing Florida.

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Speaker 3: Is it legal? It appears to be a legal grant

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Speaker 3: right and having FEMA process it is also legal, although cumbersome,

782
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Speaker 3: and so you know, from a federal government grant perspective,

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Speaker 3: it appears to be legal. What Florida is doing with

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Speaker 3: Alligator Alcatraz is a whole different story. But I want

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Speaker 3: to I want to folk on FEMA because the situation

786
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Speaker 3: can't be more dire. Molly okay. I believe FEMA is

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Speaker 3: in worse shape than any other agency in all of

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Speaker 3: the federal government right now. It started with talk about reform,

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Speaker 3: FEMA reform, FEMA reform, and the agency. The industry has known,

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Speaker 3: We've needed FEMA reform for years. Democratic, you know, FEMA administrators,

791
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Speaker 3: Republican FEMA administrators, the industry, everyone knew FEMA needed rough form.

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Speaker 3: One of the reforms is to get FEMA out of

793
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Speaker 3: Homeland to get out of this big bureaucratic mess. Homeland

794
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Speaker 3: has been disabusing FEMA for years, making FEMA run all

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Speaker 3: of the grants of the other twenty two agencies there

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Speaker 3: and bogging FEMA down in bureaucratic red tape rather than

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Speaker 3: getting them to focus on response. In fact, I have

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Speaker 3: that bill for the last three years to get FEMA

799
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Speaker 3: out of the Homeland Security Department. What does Christy Nome do.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't do reform, she does deletion there. Okay, she's

801
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: literally dissolving this thing from within. Twenty percent of the

802
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: workforce is gone. They're holding ten They're holding ten billion

803
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Speaker 3: dollars worth of previously declared presidential disaster aid for billion

804
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Speaker 3: dollars for just Florida. They got rid of BRICK, which

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Speaker 3: was a program that helped counties and cities and states

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Speaker 3: build resiliency. There's a federal grant that helped states build

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Speaker 3: capacity emergency management capacity. Right, they're holding that grant money back,

808
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: so they're saying, build your capacity, but we're not going

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Speaker 3: to send you the money to do that that we

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Speaker 3: usually send you. Got They forced people to take buyouts,

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Speaker 3: some of the most senior people with the most amount

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Speaker 3: of experience took those buyouts. You've got regional offices that

813
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: are twenty thirty percent empty, right, and we have.

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Speaker 1: The phone number problem right with Texas where they couldn't did.

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Speaker 3: The resign the contracts. Yeah, they didn't resign the contract

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Speaker 3: with the call center. With the call centers, they're not

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Speaker 3: putting people in the field to go door to door,

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Speaker 3: which is what they usually do. So in the in

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Speaker 3: the year of doge E efficiency, they've actually made FEMA

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Speaker 3: slower and less efficient. Okay, we got an administrator with

821
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: no FEMA experience at all, this guy, David Richardson. I

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00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: can't even remember a time in the history of FEMA

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Speaker 3: where the FEMA administrator didn't go to a disaster area

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Speaker 3: that the President and the Homeland Secretary went to. David

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Speaker 3: Richardson wasn't there. He didn't come for several days later.

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Speaker 3: Why he knows nothing, and he couldn't add anything to

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Speaker 3: the equation, but I could. It's unimaginable. And then what

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Speaker 3: you have in Texas, Christy Nome didn't activate the swiftwater

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00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: rescue crews for three days. FEMA would usually just start

830
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: pushing those crews. They would get them, get them on

831
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Speaker 3: the road and reposition them so when then when they

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00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: were needed and ready to go, that it would only

833
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: take an hour or two to get them in the water. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is unconscionable. I don't care what they say. This

835
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Speaker 3: is the fastest response in the history of not Okay,

836
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Speaker 3: this is the slowest response since Katrina.

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Speaker 1: Slowest response since Katrina's pretty damning. There's also a problem

838
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Speaker 1: with the weather balloons, right well.

839
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're not doing the weather balloons anymore because

840
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Speaker 3: they defund.

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Speaker 1: It so that it would be your first line of

842
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: defense against a hurricane, right well.

843
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Speaker 3: Making sure we have accurate information to know the intensity

844
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Speaker 3: of the hurricane, the track of the hurricane. There are

845
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: dramatic concerns right that that information is not going to

846
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: be reliable. You get a change in the track, and

847
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: we've talked about this. I mean, look, I'm the former

848
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Speaker 3: director of Emergency Management from the state of Florida, right

849
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Speaker 3: for a Republican governor, Which shows you that I don't

850
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: look at this in a partisan way when it comes

851
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Speaker 3: to emergency management. This is the time to help Americans

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00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: and their time of need. Hurricanes. Don't care you know

853
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: how you vote it but there's a real sense that

854
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: you know, hurricanes could shift and they do it, you know,

855
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: fifty miles this way, sixteen miles that way, that changes evacuations,

856
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: that change flood models. We may not have the same data,

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00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: reliable data that we've had in the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it seems like this is spiraling towards the disaster.

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Speaker 3: Look, my hope now, obviously is that we have a

860
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Speaker 3: light hurricane season and we have time to rebuild FEMA.

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Speaker 3: Because even though that we have great people there, first responders,

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Speaker 3: fantastic peop will care about this, FEMA is not ready, okay.

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Speaker 3: And states that rely on FEMA to assist them that

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Speaker 3: don't have big emergency management departments, like California or Texas

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Speaker 3: or Florida, they're not ready to do this without a

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Speaker 3: FEMA okay. Yeah, And so we should be concerned. We

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Speaker 3: should be worried that if we get a big disaster

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Speaker 3: into a state that needs FEMA help, that this situation

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Speaker 3: will be a disaster within a disaster.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like the weather stuff, the FEMA stuff,

872
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Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem like there has been an event

873
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Speaker 1: like that. You would think what happened in Texas where

874
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Speaker 1: obviously had they had more a better, more organized warning,

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Speaker 1: less people would have died.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean so similar to like the shooting at

877
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Speaker 3: my high school, right Martin Stoneman Douglas, where a bunch

878
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Speaker 3: of kids were killed and teachers. When an event like

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Speaker 3: that happens, we have multiple levels of failure and in

880
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Speaker 3: this is in this instance in Texas. The reason you

881
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Speaker 3: do you do an investigation, you do an after actor review,

882
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: is to learn what worked what didn't work to make

883
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Speaker 3: those changes. Right, there are gaps in time between that

884
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: last warning please go, you're gonna die versus when they

885
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Speaker 3: started evacuation. We need to know, We need to know

886
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Speaker 3: what worked and didn't work. We need to know where

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00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: the gaps were, right, Right, I think you're gonna find

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00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: that there were gaps at the local level. There's gaps

889
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Speaker 3: at the warning. We might find gaps with FEMA's response.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 3: It's not going to be one silver bullet how did

892
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: this happen. It's gonna be a lot goes wrong town,

893
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Speaker 3: and some of it may be as simple, Molly as

894
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Speaker 3: this was in the middle of the night, and they

895
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Speaker 3: couldn't reach people in the city, in the county, and

896
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Speaker 3: they couldn't reach the first responders, Right, they weren't ready

897
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Speaker 3: to go, and that's why from four four am in

898
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Speaker 3: the morning till seven am, they didn't start evacuation until

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Speaker 3: seven am.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: It may have just been you know, this is not

902
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Speaker 3: this is a r rural area.

903
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 4: Right.

904
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Speaker 3: There could be some just regular stuff that got in

905
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Speaker 3: the way. I was on a city commission at county commission,

906
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Speaker 3: and they're not just like sitting around waiting to go.

907
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Speaker 3: Was it a volunteer fire to apartment?

908
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Speaker 4: Right?

909
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: Were those were those folks worried about their families? I mean,

910
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: there's a lot of different moving pieces. That's why you

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Speaker 3: do an after action review.

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Speaker 1: Are they not doing it?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, But I've called for investigation. I've called

914
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Speaker 3: for hearings. That's what I want to do in both

915
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Speaker 3: Homeland and Transportation, which has oversight of FEMA.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: For me, this isn't about gotcha. It's about did something

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Speaker 3: different in FEMA? And what were what was the repercussions

919
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Speaker 3: of that?

920
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 4: Right?

921
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Speaker 3: Did it impact it? It did it not impact it?

922
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Speaker 3: We we don't know. Okay, what I can tell you

923
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Speaker 3: is it didn't help Molly. Clearly wasn't a positive.

924
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Speaker 1: Yes, Trump still seems like he's pretty interested in getting

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Speaker 1: rid of FEMA.

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Speaker 3: No, they're pivoting. No, okay, yeah, yeah, they're pivoting. So there.

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Speaker 3: I actually believe there's a disconnect between the West Wing

928
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Speaker 3: and Christy Nome on this interesting. Yeah, I think it

929
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Speaker 3: was all fun in games, like you're gonna get rid

930
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Speaker 3: of it, and she's like, yep, mister presient, we're gonnat

931
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Speaker 3: rid of it. We're getting rid of it. Now now

932
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Speaker 3: they're pivoting. No, we're going to rebrand it. We're going

933
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Speaker 3: to reform it. We're getting rid of it as you

934
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Speaker 3: previously knew it, like you know the artists formerly known

935
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Speaker 3: as Prince.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be FEMA two point Oh it's actually.

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Speaker 3: There's a great room symbol. No, no, you're gonna love this.

938
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Speaker 3: There's a rumor going on, you know what, you know

939
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Speaker 3: what some people are saying it's gonna be called what

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Speaker 3: the National Office of Emergency Management. You know what the

941
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Speaker 3: acronym is NATO No no, oh no, yeah no, yeah, yeah, anyways,

942
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Speaker 3: back to Earth one.

943
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be amazing, amazing. I mean, I can't

944
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Speaker 1: believe post do. But everything is like at all points

945
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Speaker 1: in this administration.

946
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, by the way, I did have a

947
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Speaker 3: thought like maybe the swift water rescue crews that we

948
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Speaker 3: were waiting for, maybe they were on Pambondi's desk.

949
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Speaker 1: Karen, Yes, will you come back?

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Speaker 3: Of course, I'll always come back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good.

952
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 4: Moment.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon Smiley.

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Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, Josh Holly, he was putting up

955
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Speaker 2: all this resistance to Medicaid cuts. Some of our people

956
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: who do punitorary like us said, maybe we can get

957
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: him to be a Democrat, and you and I on

958
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Speaker 2: an episode said, well, Josh Holly does what he is

959
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Speaker 2: best for him. And here we have another case of

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Speaker 2: that where he's introducing a bill to repeal the Medicaid

961
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Speaker 2: cuts in the big bullshit bill that he voted the pass.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the thing about all of this.

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Speaker 1: These people, and this is true with the people like

964
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Speaker 1: in the Freedom Caucus too. All these people are full

965
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: of shit.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: They want to seem like moderates, but when it's time

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Speaker 1: to stand up for stuff, they will not. So don't

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00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: let yourself get played these people. All they care about

970
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: is winning their primaries. All they care about is not

971
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Speaker 1: getting Trump's people calling them on the phone and saying

972
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Speaker 1: mean messages.

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Speaker 2: Could I add though, I think Josh Holly has an

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Speaker 2: added third one, which is that he still delusionly believes

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Speaker 2: he'll be president one day.

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Speaker 1: Sure, they all are like this. Susan Collins voted against

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Speaker 1: this bill because they knew they had the votes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: she is not a good person who's disturbed. She is

979
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Speaker 1: just a craven politician like the rest of them. By

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00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: the way, Lisa Murkowski voted for the BBB, you know why,

981
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: because they figured she could get reelected in Alaska. This

982
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: has been gamed out, like you can't believe. So none

983
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Speaker 1: of these people are trustworthy. None of these people are

984
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Speaker 1: good people. None of these people are moderates. Okay, we've

985
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Speaker 1: been down. This has been almost a decade of trump Ism.

986
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Speaker 1: There are no moderates here. Everyone is a you know,

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Speaker 1: either a craven opportunist or absolutely pathetic sickophant. That's it

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Speaker 1: make sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast,

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Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going.

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