1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: I never dreamed I would put these four words in 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: the same sentence. Scott Peterson Innocence Project. You know, I've 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: disagreed with a lot of cases, and this project has 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: handled over the years the way that they handled it. 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: But I've had deep respect for them. 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: Not anymore. 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: Really, this guy has been through an appeal, another appeal, 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: another appeal, a habeas corpus and now this based on 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: new evidence? What new evidence? 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grece, this is Crime Stories. 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: and on serious XEM one eleven. Let's take it back 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: and get a little reality check on what really happened. 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: Listen to this. I can I help you? 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, my father in log call, he went playing golf. 17 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: Good morning, nine thirty. 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 4: My daughter has been listing since this morning and she 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 4: eight months pregnant. 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: She sunk her dog for a walk in the park 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: and the dog came home with just the lead shock and. 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 4: The dog came back without your daughter, Right. 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: I tak the dog name got Peters, your stepdaughter lay Peter. 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 3: Thanks her slin right p r F. He's why brought 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: the stemic Asian She's Portugues. 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: Like, how old is he? 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: She's twenty six? Why can you she leave the Hoffman 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: and come back that we don't know. 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 5: We just had a call from our son. 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 6: In law said he left this morning and nine thirty 31 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 6: to play Dollie that home about a half hour ago. 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: Nowhere around she went to walked the dog with walked. 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: It Dicky in that heart chet and eight minute pregnant, 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: he said, pardons. 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, joining me an all star panel to make 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now, including Christine Lazar 37 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: joining US investigative reporter kkel CBS. They're in La who's 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: been on a story all over the story, But first 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: let me go to the director and founder of the 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: Cold Case Research Institute, star of a hit series Zone 41 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 2: seven podcast, Cheryl McCollum. Did you hear what I just heard? 42 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 6: Absolutely? 43 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: Okay? 44 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: This is a lightning around that means yes, no, if 45 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: you can contain yourself. 46 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: If not, I understand. 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 2: Did I not hear on one but two occasions? And 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Rod Grantsky may he rest in peace. I'm on one 49 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 2: call that Scott Peterson, Lacy's husband told him that he 50 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: was golfing that morning. 51 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: Did you hear that? 52 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 6: Because I heard that loud and clear twice. 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: You know what, Cheryl McCollum, I know what I did 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: this morning. I woke up super early. I made a 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: shake from my son, and oven baked bacon for. 56 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: Him and Lucy. I took food to my mom. 57 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: I fed the cats and the dogs and everybody, and 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: then they went to school. 59 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: I know exactly what happened this morning. Now, how is it? 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: At first he thought he was playing golf, and then 61 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: that change to he. 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: Was fishing the morning his wife disappears fishing in the 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: rain and the cold on Christmas Eve. 64 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: In San Francisco. Babe, were her body turns up? 65 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 6: Why? 66 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: Because I think he realized they'd got my tag at 67 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 4: the marina when I came in, and he also had 68 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: to pay a fee that gives you a timestamp receipt. 69 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: He knew that was something they were going to be 70 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: able to prove. 71 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 6: He had no choice put the change statement. 72 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Cheryl. My question was, why did he say he was 73 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: playing golf? 74 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 6: Because he law the night before that that's what he 75 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 6: was going to be doing, so he had already put 76 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 6: that in the universe. 77 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: Del Carson, high profile lawyer joining me out of Jacksonville. 78 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: What I like about Carson. 79 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: It's not only is he high profile defense attorney. Don't 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: like that as much, but former FBI and former cop 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: in Miami Dade. Never a lack of business for cops 82 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: in Miami Dade. Author of Arrest Proof Yourself. You can 83 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: find him at del Carson. 84 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: Law dot com. Okay Dell. 85 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: He said he was playing golf because he was lying, 86 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: because then he changes story to fishing based on what 87 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum just said. He was busted going in and 88 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: out of the marina. Look, I don't care that there 89 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: is a guard gate when I take the children drop 90 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: off a pickup. I don't care if I'm spotted. Why 91 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: did he care? 92 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 3: I know the answer to this, and it is quite simple. 93 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: He's talking to his father in law. And any person 94 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: who would leave the night before Christmas or the day 95 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: before Christmas and go out fishing with his pregnant eight 96 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: month old wife home by herself is not to be 97 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: believed with anything. He says. How could a man do 98 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: such a thing, And he certainly doesn't want to be 99 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: called out by his father in law for being the 100 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: absolute incredible liar that he is. 101 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: Another thing, let me go to Christine Lazar and by 102 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: the way, I agree with you Dale Carson. Now it's 103 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: a cold day in h double l that Dale Carson, 104 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: who has won a lot of Jerry trials, says a 105 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: defendant is lying. Normally he takes their side, you know, 106 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: no matter what. Christinazar joining me, investigator reporter ca cal Cbs. 107 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: Christina Zar. Also the theory goes on that Lacy. 108 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: Peterson, Now this is according to Scott Peterson, think he's 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: got a reason to lie, got an his skin in 110 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: the game, got a dog in the fight. 111 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: He says she was going for a walk in the park. 112 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: But isn't it true? 113 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: Christine Lazarre that one of the several doctors monitoring Lacey's 114 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: pregnancy testified at the original trial that Lacy had called 115 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: the hero clinic complaining about being dizzy when she walked, 116 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: and this doctor told her not to exercise or do 117 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: it late in the day when she had plenty on 118 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: her tummy and was hydrated. 119 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Now that doctor was doctor Tina A. 120 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 2: Drockey, and she was under direct examination by prosecutor David Harris. 121 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: She called again November the eighth, claiming she had shortness 122 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: of breath. 123 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: Again she was told don't. 124 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: Exercise early in the day. Isn't that true, Christine Lazare. 125 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 6: Yes. 126 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 7: So at the time of the trial, I was a 127 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 7: reporter in Fresno and they sent me up to Redwood 128 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 7: City to cover it because, as you may remember, Scott 129 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 7: Peterson's mistress, Amber Fry, was from the Fresno area. 130 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, just stop right there, Christine Wazar, I think 131 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: my head is physically going to blow off because everything 132 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 2: you just said is true. But now I'm talking about 133 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: Lacey short of Bread. The doctor says she wasn't going 134 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: to walk in the morning, and you brought up the 135 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: F word Amber Fry, who happens to be a very 136 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: lovely lady. 137 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: By the way, YE spent time with her and her lawyer, who. 138 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: I admire a lot, Gloria Allread. I mean, okay, go ahead, 139 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: I think my head is still attached to my neck. 140 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Christine. 141 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 7: Well you know, look, I mean that really was the 142 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 7: I guess you could say, smoking gun of that trial 143 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 7: when we all sat around and listened to those audio 144 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 7: tes Scott Peterson saying that he's at the Eiffel Tower, 145 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 7: when in reality he's at a vigil for his missing wife, 146 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 7: who was pregnant with his first child, his unborn child. 147 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 7: Those memories of listening to those tapes will always stick 148 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 7: with me being in that trial. When this first came 149 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 7: out that the Innocence Project was taking on this case, 150 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 7: all my colleagues wanted to know what it was like 151 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 7: covering that trial. And I will also say, and I know, Nancy, 152 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 7: you were there. One of the things we all talked 153 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 7: about was Scott's demeanor and how he walked into that 154 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 7: courtroom every day with a swagger and a smirk on 155 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 7: his face, like. 156 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: A cocky soob that was a star quarterback of his 157 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: own murder trial. That's what it was like, I mean, all. 158 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 7: Puffed up, yes, And it was hard to wrap your 159 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 7: brain around the fact that even if he was innocent, 160 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 7: he has a wife who is dead and his first 161 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 7: child who died with her, and so it was hard 162 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 7: to reconcile his behavior with the crime that we were 163 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 7: all there. 164 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,599 Speaker 2: For, you know, changing a story from how could you 165 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: get that wrong? The day your wife goes missing? And oh, 166 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, correct me, wasn't that her father, stepfather Ron 167 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: grant Ski, calling in, not her husband? 168 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 6: So he didn't even make the call. 169 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 4: He's showing no concern. 170 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: There's so much there. 171 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: But do you remember that, Cheryl McCollum, I was out 172 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: in Redwood City covering the trial live, but I was 173 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 2: in Atlanta, as were you, in New York much of 174 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 2: the time when the investigation was going on. 175 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: And I will never forget the moment. I remember where 176 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: I was. 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: I was standing in the lobby of my apartment building 178 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: in New York, about eight blocks from the Court, TV 179 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: studios and HLM, and the photo of Scott Peterson comes 180 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: out with his hand on his mistress, Amber Fryes rear 181 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: in and she had on this beautiful red Christmas dress 182 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: and he was dressed up to go to her Christmas 183 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: party while Lacey, eight months pregnant, stayed home with her 184 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: feet up because she was feeling bad. Point feet up, 185 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, last count you had. 186 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: Two children feet up. 187 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: She was so heavily pregnant she had to put her 188 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: feet up all the time and was told directly by 189 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: multiple doctors do not walk in the morning, if at all, 190 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: because she was getting dizzy to the point of thinking 191 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 2: she was going to pass out when she would go 192 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: for a walk. 193 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 4: Absolutely, So, do you remember that feeling where your ankles 194 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 4: are swelling up. You don't even feel like getting up, 195 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: much less walking. But she was told not to do 196 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: it because she was at risk for doing that. She 197 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 4: needed to rest. But Nancy, the pre and post behavior 198 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: here is something we've talked about a lot. So not 199 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: only is he having an affair, he is doing so 200 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: where he is maintaining the relationship with Amber fryar Fry 201 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: after Lacy goes missing. That to me is critical because 202 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: people always say, well, just because you're having a bear 203 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: doesn't make you a murderer. Absolutely, But that behavior after 204 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: she went missing, where he's calling Amber during the candlelight 205 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 4: vigil for Lacy and Connor, and he's explaining, oh, I'm 206 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 4: watching these fireworks and I'm thinking of you. He's not 207 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 4: searching for her, he's not desperate to find her and 208 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: his unborn child. He is trying to maintain a relationship 209 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 4: with somebody he's only known for weeks. 210 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl, you just brought to my mind who 211 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: I consider to be a friend, Lacey's mother, Sharon Roche, 212 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: and I will never forget. And I guess, Christine Lazar, 213 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: you were in the courtroom for this. I had been 214 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: out front. I've been doing something for either it had 215 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 2: to be for court TV. And I raced back in 216 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: and all I could get was a very bad. 217 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: Row seat, and I was happy to get it all 218 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: the way in the back of the courtroom, and I'm short. 219 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: I had to take my backpack off and sit on 220 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: top of my backpack to see Sharon Roachell on the stand. 221 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: I remember she on this beautiful yellow outfit and when 222 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: she was describing burying Lacey her bones of course, because 223 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: she was skeletonized by the time she washed ashore. Lacey 224 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 2: was buried holding Connor, her baby in her arms, and 225 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: I will never forget her. Looking over at Scott Peterson 226 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: and I am reminded of a truth. And the truth 227 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: is those most vested in a true verdict are the 228 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: victim's family, and they Lacey's family is convinced Scott Peterson 229 00:12:59,480 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: is guilty. 230 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 231 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: Now the innocence project is coming in full steam after 232 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: multiple appeals climbing there's a new evidence. But speaking of 233 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: Sharon Rochel, listen to this. 234 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 8: I would like to thank all of you for being 235 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 8: here and helpings is trying to find our daughter. I 236 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 8: would just like to send a message out there that 237 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 8: whoever has her, please please please let her go. 238 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 9: Bring her back her so much, Please close our back. 239 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,359 Speaker 8: We want her and our grandson home safely and immediately, 240 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 8: So please bring her. 241 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: Back to us. 242 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: You hear Ron Grantskey breaking down in the background, and 243 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: I can tell you Ron Grantskey was very, very emotional. 244 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: He loved Lacey so much he could hardly ever speak 245 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: before the cameras. Reminded me a lot of my dad, 246 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: very sentimental, could hardly get through three sentences straight without 247 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: breaking down and crying about Lacy. And now this and 248 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: Sharon Roach has to live through the whole thing again 249 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: and more from Sharon Roache. 250 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 8: Lacy was just a loving, happy, generous, vivacious person. She 251 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 8: just Lacey loves life, she loves people, she loves entertaining. 252 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 8: She's happy, she's She and Scott are just so much 253 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 8: in love. They're just I think everybody envies their relationship. 254 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: They're just perfect together. 255 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 8: They have a wonderful life. 256 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 9: They're looking forward to having their baby. 257 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 8: They've waited a long time, they tried for a long 258 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 8: time to have a baby, and she finally became pregnant 259 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 8: and this is just the center of her worlds to 260 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 8: have her baby and be with her husband. 261 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Now, that is what Sharon Roach thought before this. Listen. 262 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 10: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two. 263 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 10: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried. 264 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 10: Scott told me he was not married. We did have 265 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 10: a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in 266 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 10: the Lacy Peterson disappearance case, I immediately contacted the Modesto 267 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 10: Police department. Although I couldn't have sold or sold the 268 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 10: photos of Scott and I to tabloids, I knew this 269 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 10: was not the right thing to do. For fear of 270 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 10: jeopardizing the case or the police investigation. I will not 271 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 10: comment further. 272 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Amberfrey was dragged through the mud, tarred and feathered 273 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: over having a relationship with sex relationship with Peterson, But 274 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: I believe. 275 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: Her that she did not know he was married. 276 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: She could have made probably at least one hundred grand 277 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: of selling those photos of her story, she didn't do it. 278 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: Listen to more of Amberfry. 279 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 10: I am very sorry for Macy's family and the pain 280 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 10: that this has caused them, and I pray for her 281 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 10: safe return as well. I would appreciate to my friends 282 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 10: and acquaintances to refrain from talking about me to the 283 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 10: media for profit or recognization. I am a single mother 284 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 10: of a twenty three month old child, and. 285 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: I asked to respect my hypocy. 286 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 6: Thank you. 287 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: Of course, her life turned upside down and she was 288 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 2: again tard and feathered on cross examination when she bravely 289 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: took the stand in court. But you know what to 290 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: Karen Start joining me renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. 291 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: You can find her at Karenstart dot com. That's Karen 292 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: with a C in case you tried to find her. Karen, 293 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: did you hear Sharon Roach say that Lacey loved entertaining? Okay, Karen, 294 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember. You and I worked 295 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: on this case together. 296 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: You were with me night after night after night during 297 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: the trial on air, and. 298 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: I remember telling you that I had gone to Lacey's 299 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: home and actually got to look inside, and it looked 300 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 2: like I could tell she loved her home. It was decorated. 301 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 2: I could tell on a budget, but it was so 302 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: perfectly done. I'm getting to a point. Be a cold 303 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: day an h E double l that David Lynch, my 304 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: husband that you told me to marry. 305 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: By the way, would go out. 306 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: Remember Lacey was expecting all the family to come to 307 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: her place and was getting it all ready. 308 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean she was having everything, getting her everything ready 309 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: for Christmas. It was December twenty four. 310 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: It would be a cold day in hell that David 311 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: Lynch would leave when I was trying to get the 312 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: house ready and cook a turkey and homemade dressing and 313 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, get all the presents, wrap, everything done. 314 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: No way he would be there trying to help me, 315 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: and with her pregnant. No way was he going to 316 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: go golfing or fishing. 317 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 11: Nancy. She was eight months pregnant and told that she 318 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 11: should not be exercising or doing any undue labor while 319 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 11: she was pregnant at that point. And he was out golfing. 320 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 11: Oh wait, no, he wasn't golfing. 321 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: He was fishing. 322 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 11: And do you remember the interview that they had with 323 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 11: him when he picked up a call. He was so nonchalant. 324 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 11: You would never ever guess that this man had lost 325 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 11: his wife and his child. 326 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: You know, the only newly discovered evidence there is to 327 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: be found at this point is to tell me exactly 328 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: how he murdered his wife. 329 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: To doctor Todd M. 330 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: Barr joining me board certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologists featured 331 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: in thin Places Essays from in between doctor Barr, thank 332 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 2: you for being with us. The defense has thrown out 333 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: so many, many, many different theories as to who murdered Lacy. 334 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: They said a thing. They said a Hawaiian gang did it. 335 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: Then they said some other kind of gang did it. 336 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: Then they said oh. 337 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: One of the theories was that some when a kidnapped 338 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: Lace and cut her open to take baby Connor for 339 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: their own. But yet when she was found there was 340 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: no indication of that, although she was largely skeletonized. But 341 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: the state's theory, which was backed up by medical examiners, 342 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: was that over time, weeks and weeks and weeks in 343 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: the San Francisco Bay, the last portion of a woman's 344 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: body to decompose would be that thick uterine wall the womb, 345 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: and that in the end it did deteriorate and baby 346 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: Connor just floated out. Because while she was largely decomposed, 347 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: baby Connor looked like a little one of those little plastic, 348 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: shiny baby dolls that you get at a store. 349 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 12: Sure, I mean, the fact that the baby was in 350 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 12: utero was very protective, you know, in the in the 351 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 12: cold waters of the San Francisco Bay, you know, that 352 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 12: slows down decomposition. Now, of course, Lacey's body is exposed 353 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 12: to all the elements, including animal predation, you know, animals 354 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 12: or fish that might be you know, gnawing on her flesh, 355 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 12: which will actually promote the acceleration of her decomposition. So, yes, 356 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 12: I agree that the baby would have been the last one, 357 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 12: the last one out, so to speak, and would have 358 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 12: been relatively well preserved at that point. 359 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: So would there have been any evidence left that someone 360 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 2: had cut her stomach open? I mean, if they had 361 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: done that, they would have tried to get Connor out 362 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: he was still in there. 363 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 12: Yeah, And I would think that if somebody was you know, 364 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 12: not a surgical person, that was trying to open up 365 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 12: her abdomen to take the baby out, it's very possible 366 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 12: that the baby would have sustained some sort of injury 367 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 12: in the process, you know. I mean it's a tight 368 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 12: space in the uterus, so when you're trying to cut 369 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 12: a baby out, there very well could have been evidence 370 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 12: that the baby sustained some sort of sharp force injury 371 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 12: from someone trying to extract the baby. 372 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: A homemade ccerean. Yeah, the baby is cut out of 373 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: the stomach. But you're right, you would have expected Connor 374 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: to have some sort of cutting or injury or something. 375 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: He had nothing. 376 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 12: Yes, unless it was done by an obgyn, you know 377 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 12: that knew what they were doing exactly. Most of us 378 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 12: would wouldn't know where to make the first cut. 379 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: Even as a medical doctor. 380 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 12: Myself, I wouldn't. I wouldn't know how to do a 381 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 12: Sysyrian section because I'm not trained as an obgyn. 382 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I try to tell people that all the time. 383 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, you want me to write your will, Yeah, 384 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: I'll try. But that's like asking an ear doctor to 385 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: perform open heart surgery. But okay, guys, we are hearing 386 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: that the Innocence Project has actually taken on Scott Peterson's case. 387 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: Now to Cristado Zar joining US investigator reporter KKL CBS LA. 388 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: I understand that they claim there. 389 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: Was blood spatter evidence that quote might have exonerated him 390 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: and other suspects who were quote overlooked. 391 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: Is that what they're basing this on. 392 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 7: You know, they're not saying a lot, but that is 393 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 7: what they are pointing to, that there was some sort 394 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 7: of blood spatter evidence inside this burned out van. And 395 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 7: as you may remember, there was a talk that there 396 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 7: was a robbery in the area right before she went missing, 397 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 7: and could that be linked to her disappearance. Again, in trial, 398 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 7: the prosecution kind of pushed that aside and said those 399 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 7: were completely unrelated. 400 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 4: But the emphasis right now is on that van. 401 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: Well, well, you're talking about a robbery. I thought it 402 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: was a burglary. 403 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 7: Yes, correct, I'm. 404 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: Sorry, kind of caddy cornered to Lacey's home there on 405 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: Covena And I believe the reason prosecutors discount it is 406 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: because they caught the burglars and interviewed them at length 407 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 2: and polygraph them and decided, yeah, that's not what happened. 408 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: Is that the burglary you're talking about? 409 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 12: Yes? 410 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 7: And I will say here in LA this is all 411 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 7: anybody seems to be talking about. And a lot of people, 412 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 7: if you look in the comment section, if you hear 413 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 7: the responses to the stories we've been doing, a lot 414 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 7: of people very upset with the Innocent Project, feeling like 415 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 7: this is a case that is not worthy of their 416 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 7: time and attention. Most people I talk to say they 417 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 7: believe Scott Peterson did it. There was a lot of 418 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 7: circumstantial evidence in the trial. But one thing that we 419 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 7: kept saying as reporters covering it back in four if 420 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 7: not him, then who all signs seem to point to 421 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 7: Scott Peterson? And I will say, after covering that trial 422 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 7: and walking away from it, I did feel like the 423 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 7: jury made the right decision. 424 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: Well, the thing is this, we're just touching on some 425 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: of the evidence right now, just a tiny tiny bit 426 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: of it that I that through the trial, I heard 427 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: the evidence. I like many people agree Peterson murdered his 428 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: wife and unborn child. As to the Innocence Project, they 429 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: actually do fine work in many cases. There are wrongfully 430 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: convicted people in our country and they need to be released, 431 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: and they need to be exonerated. There are cases out 432 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: there that desperately need the Innocence Project. So why latch 433 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: on to Scott Peterson's case like a tick, sucking the 434 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: blood out of it? Why time stories with Nancy Greece, Guys, 435 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: speaking of guilt, We've been talking about the mistress and 436 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: I kind of hate to even refer to her that 437 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: way because she's a very nice lady with a new 438 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: life and a new family. 439 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: Listen to this This is the call Cheryl McCallum refer. 440 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: To where, even after Lacey is missing, of course dead, 441 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: you hear him continuing to lie just to get laid 442 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: what one more time? 443 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: Listen ever, ever, ever. 444 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: Hear me? 445 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: Ever there there? Every happy here? 446 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: Thank you. 447 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 11: Right there? 448 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: Yes, I wish you could. 449 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 8: Eye. 450 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 2: I think that you're there. 451 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 13: I'm my you. 452 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: The idle power is unreal. It's huge. 453 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: It's that huge. 454 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: Remember, ever you're there. I can't hear right now, but 455 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: I'll call you on your knees. 456 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: Ever Okay, Cheryl McCollum. My chest is hurting now. At 457 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 2: first I thought my head was going to blow off. 458 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: Now I think I might be having a heart attack. 459 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: Did you hear that? 460 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 8: Oh? 461 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: It's so near the Eiffel Tower, and. 462 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: The celebration is quote unreal. The crowd is huge. There 463 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 2: was a huge crowd. But wasn't he had his wife's 464 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: vigil when he did that. 465 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 4: He was literally standing also the side during the candlelight vigil. 466 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 4: Keith again wanting to keep the relationship with ambergoing, and 467 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 4: that thing. It's so crazy to me, even if you're 468 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: having an affair, and even if you're having a great 469 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: time with this person, that you just meant weeks ago. 470 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 4: If you're wife legitimately goes missing and she's pregnant with 471 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 4: your unborn child, it seems like your focus would flip 472 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 4: because again, your parents are going to be hurting. Her 473 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 4: parents are going to be scared to death and hurting siblings. 474 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 4: You've got other people involved with your marriage that are 475 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 4: going to be connected to Lacey and love her. 476 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 6: And here's the thing. 477 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 4: His mother in law turned on him and understood that 478 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 4: he was a liar and did something to Lacey. His 479 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: best friend distanced himself because he's like, look, his alibi 480 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 4: is not making any sense to me. Nobody supported him, 481 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 4: that knew him, no one. So everything that he started 482 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 4: to do again, there's some things you're right about, Nancy, that. 483 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 6: We don't have. 484 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 4: We don't have the cause of death or at the 485 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 4: time of death, or a weapon, but there's things we 486 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: do have. We've got hair impliers on his boats that 487 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 4: we know Lacy never went on. 488 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 6: He's the one that said, oh, you're probably going to 489 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 6: find blood in my truck. He gave them that. He's 490 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 6: the one that told it. Dad, I might be pulling 491 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 6: an OJ. 492 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: I mean, everything he did gave us reason to look 493 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: at him, especially when he goes on Dan Sawyer and 494 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 4: is talking about her in past ten where they. 495 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: Were still searching for her. 496 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: You know, Dale Carson joining me, high profile defense attorney 497 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: joining us out of Jacksonville, former FBI and beat cop 498 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: in Miami, Dade del Carson, I want to hear what 499 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: you think about the changing defense theories and about this 500 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: blood spatter, But first let me ask you something about 501 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: the Nocence Project, which I have long held in esteem. 502 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't believe you have ever heard me rant and 503 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: rave about. 504 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: The Nisons Project, because they have actually led to some 505 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: exonerations that were desperately needed by Lady Justice. So deal Carson. 506 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: What I find very curious is you heard Christine Lazar. 507 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: She's a very well known and respected investigative reporter joining 508 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: us out of. 509 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: KKEL CBS LA. 510 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: She said that the Innocence Project has not revealed what 511 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: the quote new evidence is. Why if it's new evidence, man, 512 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: and it was proven Scott Peterson isson, I would be 513 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: shouting from the rooftops. 514 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: Well, I took the opportuite to read the appeal essentially, 515 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: and it's fairly lengthy, but there are just points that 516 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: you've already mentioned frankly, the two burglars. They've been interviewed, 517 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: a van with a mattress in it that had blood 518 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: in it, the argument that the dog was out and 519 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: Lacey'd been walking the dog and she was abducted by 520 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: these individuals. I mean, it's fairly laid out, and the 521 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 3: Innocent Project does an excellent job where it's needed. I 522 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: think this is more of a publicity stab than it 523 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: is anything else, and I don't think it's particularly necessary. 524 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: I think it's a waste of their resources and energies 525 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: on something is fairly clear. I mean, the most interesting 526 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 3: thing to me from an investigative perspective is the fact 527 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 3: that her head and her hands were missing. Those are 528 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: identity clues, and there's only one person who would do 529 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: something like that and we all know who that is. 530 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 3: So yes, in any large, major case, there's going to 531 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 3: be evidence, just as there was the Atlantic kid killings 532 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: that I was involved with, where there's additional evidence that 533 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 3: shows up years later. But that doesn't mean that the 534 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 3: individuals who's been convicted is somehow innocent. 535 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: Can I point something out. 536 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: A legal aspect that I think will immediately quash this 537 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: appeal newly discovered means newly discovered the van and the 538 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: plus purported sidings of Lacey before he disappearance. We're known 539 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: at the time of trial. This is not newly discovered. 540 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: I'm only curious regarding the blood. The project is asking 541 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: DNA testing to be done on blood and that previously 542 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: unheard interviews with witnesses. 543 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: Be re examined. There is nothing new. 544 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: I mean, am I missing something, Christine wis are the 545 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: blood they're talking about the blood spatter they're referring to, 546 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: if it exists, would have been in that van. 547 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: Is that the blood they're talking about. 548 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 7: Well, look, I mean they're not saying a lot. They're 549 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 7: not giving us specifics. 550 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 14: A lot of this is just us trying to read 551 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 14: between the lines and figure out where there had is 552 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 14: that because so many people are surprised that this is 553 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 14: a case that the Innocent's Project has decided to take on. 554 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 7: At this point, we're being told that it has something 555 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 7: to do with blood in that van. 556 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: That they had the van at the time of trial. 557 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: The van was discoverable at the time of trial, and 558 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: under the law, if this was evidence that could be 559 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 2: discoverable at the time of the trial, it is not 560 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: quote newly discovered, which is required for a case to 561 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: go forward on appeal on the grounds of newly discovered evidence. 562 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: It's not newly discovered. 563 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: That said, I would still want the truth. But back 564 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: to the facts. 565 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: Remember when Amber Fry was entertaining that call from Peterson 566 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: the night of his wife's vigil, As Cheryl McCollum described, 567 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 2: going off to the corner and calling Amber Fry pretending 568 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: he's in Paris quote near the Eiffel Tower. Man, he 569 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: can shoot a line of well, let's see, I gave 570 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: up cursing crap. But she knew he was under suspicion 571 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: when she took that call. 572 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: She was recording it for police. And how do you 573 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: think that made her feel? Knowing a guy and likely 574 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: killed his wife and he was out. 575 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: And you're cooperating with police. She did it anyway. Now 576 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: she confronts him, listen. 577 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 15: For me this elaborate night about her missing and this 578 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 15: tragedy and that and that this will be the holidays 579 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 15: without her, said Amber. 580 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 6: God, I don't want to fight with you, but you 581 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 6: know that I never said tragedy or missing. 582 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 15: Oh yes, you said you've watched your wife obviously without 583 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 15: me staying much. 584 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 2: But we were. 585 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 6: Yes, you did, I did. 586 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So either he's clairvoyant or he's a killer. Help 587 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: me out, Sheryl Nancy. 588 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 4: He told another mistress named Janet that kids were gonna 589 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 4: disrupt his lifestyle. 590 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 6: He told other people his wife was dead. 591 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 4: He has done so many things before she went missing. 592 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 4: He got an insurance policy for a quarter of a 593 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 4: million dollars, He bought the boat. He you know, good 594 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 4: things to line up to be a single person, it 595 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 4: would appear, and then after she goes missing, the lives 596 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 4: kept going. He didn't want to take a polygraph. He 597 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 4: told the detective. There's no outside people, there's no third 598 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 4: party in our marriage. Our marriage is fine. But he 599 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 4: continued to call Amber. He continued to say, look, everything's 600 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 4: good here. 601 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 6: There's no problem. 602 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 4: You know, even when this case got so hot, Lacy's 603 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 4: face was everywhere. Everybody's concerned about this young woman who 604 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 4: is so adorable and eight and a half months pregnant, 605 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 4: and they want to focus on this watch that was pawned. 606 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 4: Let me ask you something, what criminal kidnaps this person? 607 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 6: The case gets hot as fire. 608 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 4: And they wait a week to pawn her watch. That 609 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense. 610 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: There are two Croton Croto in watches Pond and it 611 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 2: has never been established that that was Lacy's watch that 612 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 2: she had inherited. 613 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: Croton I think is a brand of watch. Hey, you 614 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: left out the fact that. 615 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 2: He immediately ordered the poor Horn channel, added that to 616 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: the cable bill, and tried to sell the house in 617 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: the car. Now, this is when Lacey is still missing. Obviously, 618 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: Karen Start, you're the shrink. He's not expecting her to 619 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 2: walk through the front door. It would be again a 620 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 2: cold day in hell that David Lynch adds on the 621 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: porn channel. 622 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: When I'm missing. 623 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 2: It's like I go to the school for a reason 624 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: for the children, and he orders the porn channel while 625 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 2: I'm gone. No, because he knows I'm going to walk 626 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 2: in and see porn on the TV. 627 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: No, that would not do. 628 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: But Peterson wasn't worried. He knew Lacey was never coming home. 629 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 6: Karen Start, that's right, Nancy. 630 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,959 Speaker 11: And how about when he was telling everybody and people 631 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 11: need to hear this that he could not go into 632 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 11: the nursery, he could not go into Connor's room until 633 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 11: they were back and somebody and he was definitely going 634 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 11: to keep that door closed, and then they discovered that 635 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 11: he was used yet as storage. He led again, he 636 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 11: had things in there. He had no respect for the 637 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 11: fact that he still didn't even know what was going 638 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 11: to happen with this baby. 639 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: Guys, I want to cut forward to our cut ten sixteen. 640 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 2: I want you to analyze more of what Peterson did 641 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 2: at the time Lacey quote goes missing. 642 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: Listen. 643 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 16: At nine thirty am Christmas Eve, Scott Peterson goes fishing 644 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 16: in his brand new boat. Peterson claims the fishing trip 645 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 16: is a last minute decision. He planned to go golfing, 646 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 16: but it was too cold and blustery for golf, so 647 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 16: he went fishing. Lucky for Scott, even though his decision 648 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 16: to fish was last minute, he bought a two day 649 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 16: ocean fishing license on December twenty second. Peterson fishes without 650 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 16: success and returns home late in the afternoon. When he 651 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 16: gets home, Scott finds Lacey's car in the driveway. Their dog, Mackenzie, 652 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 16: is in the backyard, but the house is empty. After 653 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 16: he takes the time to shower and change clothes, Scott 654 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 16: Peterson goes to a neighbor's house to see if they've 655 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 16: seen Lacey. The neighbors hadn't seen Lacey, so Scott calls 656 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 16: Lacey's mother, Sharon. According to Fox News, Scott Peterson doesn't say, 657 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 16: have you spoken to Lacey today? Do you know where 658 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 16: Lazy is? He tells Lacey's mother that Lacey is missing. 659 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, No. 660 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: When I'm looking for David, when he goes out of 661 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 2: town or he has some meeting or something, I would 662 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 2: never say David's missing. I go, hey, where's David? Have 663 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 2: you seen your dad? Something like that, And that is 664 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 2: what Sharon roach to testify to on the stand. So 665 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: he's out on a secret boat, Christine Lazar is joining 666 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 2: us KKEWCBSLA. He's out on a secret boat that he 667 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody about. He has he went fishing last minute, 668 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 2: although we know two days before he got a fishing license, 669 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 2: so it's not last minute. 670 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: Isn't it true? 671 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 2: Christine Lazar that when he gets home, the dog Withckenzie's 672 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 2: in the backyard with the gate locked. 673 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: Was it the backyard gate? Lot? Anybody jump in that? 674 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: Can remember that? 675 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 7: I do remember that from trial. 676 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: So what the dog let himself in and lot the gate? 677 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 13: Right? 678 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 7: Well, the defense argued, as you may remember that a 679 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 7: neighbor had put the dog in there and had closed the. 680 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: Gate, And did that neighbor come forward at trial? 681 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 6: No? 682 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: Right, Okay? What exactly is the Innocence Project doing? 683 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: They're refusing to state what the newly discovered evidence is. 684 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 2: And my question is, if they're all about the truth 685 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 2: coming out, then why keep it a secret? 686 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: What are they hiding and why are they hiding it? 687 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: Or is there really nothing there? Take a Listen to 688 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: Crime Onlines Rachel Benia. 689 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 9: Scott Peterson's former attorney, Mark Garrigos on TMZ Live says 690 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 9: he can debunk all the prosecution evidence, but said he 691 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 9: believes the jury was laser focused on Peterson cheating on 692 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,959 Speaker 9: his wife. The filing by the La Innocence Project says 693 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 9: Peterson's claims of actual innocence is support by newly discovered 694 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 9: evidence and more. 695 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 5: Listen in court documents, The Los Angeles Innocence Project is 696 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 5: asking for witnesses who may have seen Lacey walking her dog. 697 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 5: There may be witnesses who saw Lacy Peterson alive after 698 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 5: her husband left Modesto to go phishing caron reports, Police 699 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 5: and prosecutors said Lacy was murdered before Scott Peterson left town. 700 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 5: In court document, Scott Peterson wrote, during the search to 701 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 5: find Lacey, the police continually ignored evidence, including eyewitness reports 702 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 5: that Lacy was alive and walking our dog the day 703 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 5: she disappeared. The project is asking for all reports detailing 704 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 5: investigative actions taken in response to eyewitness accounts reporting sightings 705 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 5: of Lacy Peterson on or after December twenty fourth, two 706 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 5: thousand and two. 707 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: None of that, deal, Carson, is new evidence. 708 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 3: You're exactly right, none of it is new. And as 709 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 3: you say in appellate work, you have to have evidence 710 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 3: that was not discovered at the time, and if they 711 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 3: don't have that, they don't meet the boundary for that 712 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 3: to be appealed effectively. 713 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 2: And again they're dredging up the burglary across the street 714 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 2: Caddy Corner to Lacey's home. 715 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: Listen. 716 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 13: Another request from the La Innocence Project is information regarding 717 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 13: the burglary that took place at the Medinas house across 718 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 13: the street from the Peterson's home sometime between December twenty 719 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 13: four and December twenty six. Kron reports that the two 720 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 13: burglars were caught and during their interviews with police, denied 721 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 13: having anything to do with Lacy Peterson. The La Innocence 722 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 13: Project seeks a complete copy of the Medesto Police Department's 723 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 13: investigation into the burglary, as well as Modesto Police Department 724 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 13: reports on the steps they took to verify the alibis 725 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 13: of the two burglars, Stephen Todd and Donald Glenn Pearce, 726 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 13: establishing their whereabouts on December twenty four, two thousand and two. 727 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: And is this the blood they're talking about? Listen? 728 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 16: Suspicious van fire happened on Christmas Day, less than a 729 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 16: mile from the Peterson home, the day Lacy Peterson was 730 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 16: reported missing, and the LA Nison's Project once reports from 731 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 16: the police Department and Fire Department concerning the investigation of 732 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 16: what they call an incendiary fire of an orange van 733 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 16: containing a mattress with a parent bloodstains. Court documents show 734 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 16: the van appeared to have been intentionally ignited to cover 735 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 16: up a crime. 736 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, did I just hear the word apparent. They 737 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: don't even know. 738 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 7: If that's blood, correct, So again, you walk this thing 739 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 7: through forensically. 740 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 4: We don't have blood that came back as Lacey. We 741 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 4: don't have blood that came back from Scott in that van. 742 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 4: We don't have blood that came back from anybody. 743 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 6: Else in that van. 744 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 4: We don't have an eyewitness that saw the van on fire. 745 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 4: We don't have these two burgerers running from that van. 746 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 4: We don't have clothing from Lacey. We don't have hair 747 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 4: from Lacey. We don't have anything in that van connected 748 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 4: to her. We do, however, have her hair in the 749 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 4: pliers in the toolbox inside the boat that she was 750 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 4: never in, never fool with. We do have his blood 751 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 4: in his truck that he said we would find. We 752 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 4: don't have him searching for her, looking for her, calling 753 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 4: the police about her. He didn't do any of that, 754 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 4: none of it. But what we do have is an 755 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 4: insurance policy, multiple affairs, him telling people before she went 756 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 4: missing that she was dead. He refused to take a polygraph. 757 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 4: I mean, it just goes on and on and on, 758 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 4: and even though it's circumstantial. You and I both have 759 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 4: worked how many cases where somebody was killed for a 760 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 4: lot less than two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 761 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 2: This is all I have to say, Scott Peterson, I'm 762 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 2: going to have my hot tea. You stick to your Pruno, 763 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 2: your jailhouse hooch, because you're going to need a lot 764 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 2: of it when this appeal is rejected, and I'm sure 765 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 2: it will never concern you at all what 766 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,800 Speaker 1: You're doing to what is left of Lacey's family.