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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. Hell that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for a day at the State.

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Speaker 2: Is that? Whoo whoof?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Sali verbal

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Speaker 1: Boys and girls.

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Speaker 2: My name is ty Hilda Brad That fine gentleman over

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Speaker 2: there on the left side of your screen, Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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Speaker 2: football is now over, well like for real, for real

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Speaker 2: over College was over a month ago, the NFL over.

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Speaker 2: We are recording this the day after the Chiefs knocked

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Speaker 2: off the Eagles in the Super Bowl, So congratulations if

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Speaker 2: there are any KC fans out there, Dan, We're not

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Speaker 2: going to waste too much time at the top here

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Speaker 2: talking about what we did or didn't do this weekend,

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Speaker 2: what we ate or didn't eat.

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Speaker 1: But it is always good to be with you, sir.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good though, to start the show sliding?

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Speaker 1: I don't know the XFL, the USL like are you

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Speaker 1: not gonna watch? I'm trying to think of a name

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Speaker 1: like are you not gonna watch? Everett Golson lead the

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Speaker 1: Rochester Marauders out onto the field now I'm not. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not not.

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Speaker 2: Now is the time to sort of slink back.

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Speaker 1: Into the off season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And as such, on today's episode, get in touch

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Speaker 2: with our inner fandom, is it not?

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Speaker 1: It is? And it's it's one of those things where

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Speaker 1: we now have the benefit of a little bit of

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Speaker 1: time to reflect upon the season. But I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get into what binds us as fans. And there's very

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Speaker 1: little that a Kansas State fan has in common with

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Speaker 1: hasn't common with the North Carolina fan beyond the experience

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Speaker 1: of what you feel, what one feels while watching their

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Speaker 1: team play. And so today's episode, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a two parter. I think today's episode is

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Speaker 1: going to be what binds us as fans, the emotions

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Speaker 1: we're gonna let down some wall yeah oh yeah. So

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Speaker 1: the emotions positive, negative, weird, extreme, whatever that we feel

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Speaker 1: during games, and the specific things that bring out set emotions.

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Speaker 1: And then I think, and well, we've been putting out

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Speaker 1: a poll on verballers dot Com for people to contribute

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Speaker 1: to these couple shows. I think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: more team specific later in the week, but today it's

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Speaker 1: about football things that make us all feel things, and

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Speaker 1: so I'm excited to sort of peel back the layers

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Speaker 1: that is Ty Hildenbrands and Dan Rubinstein. Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully people find a kernel of relatability in something

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Speaker 1: that we go through or something that the subscribers on

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Speaker 1: verballers dot com go through Verballers dot com.

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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, we had our Patreon community way in

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go through some of those answers as

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Speaker 2: we progress through our various levels of questioning to get

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Speaker 2: deeper and.

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Speaker 1: Deeper as fans.

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Speaker 2: what you missed in college football m quick slants that

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Speaker 2: Celiverble dot com is where you can go to read

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Speaker 2: the previous editions of that and also subscribe correct. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and this is something that we've touched on a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a year or two ago.

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Speaker 1: We did like a what we love about college football,

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Speaker 1: and it was just the things that brought us specific joy.

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Speaker 1: But I think with further time. We've had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to reflect on a number of emotions, and I have

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Speaker 1: a long list of things that bring me joy while

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Speaker 1: watching a football game, especially rooting on my team. Yes,

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Speaker 1: watching a football game. Is that what I mentioned? The

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Speaker 1: squirt through?

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Speaker 2: I think that was the score The mysterious squirt through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when a tiny running back runs into the line

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Speaker 1: The squirresious score through. Yeah, the mysterious squorre through. So

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Speaker 1: our team loses a big game, what happens when our

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Speaker 2: Ty, how are you feeling now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, doctor Melfie, how are you feeling? We're

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Speaker 1: going to figure it out. Why don't we start here?

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Speaker 2: Dan? This was the first question that we posed to

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Speaker 2: the verballer hood, and you put this list together you're

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Speaker 2: you're kind of comment. During this two part College Football

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Speaker 2: Therapy episode, what we're calling this what brings you joy?

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Speaker 2: So we talked about the mysterious squirt through. Imagine this

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Speaker 1: Throughs, so stupid.

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Speaker 1: I just went with my team. I mean, I'm an

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Speaker 2: But if it is my team, this is double the pleasure,

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Speaker 1: Right, so you're nervous that the first three tries haven't

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Speaker 1: the very specific moments that bring you joy rooting for

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Speaker 2: I have a third down sack of a particularly elusive

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about the immense joy you feel when

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these, by the way, it should

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Speaker 2: Oh right, light outrage, complain outrage.

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Speaker 1: When it is your team who suffers that sack despite

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Speaker 2: I have a very obvious replay outcome, and by that

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Speaker 1: An addendum to that is when replay takes literally eleven

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Speaker 1: a fumble. Guys, when it's quick, that's pretty joyful when

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Speaker 2: But if you're talking about things that give me joy,

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Speaker 2: that always brings me a lot of joy. The other

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Speaker 2: when my team is playing. What brings me joy is

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Speaker 1: That gives me joy that it doesn't bring me joy

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Speaker 2: like eleven fall start penalties that they just can't overcome.

435
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 2: That to me is so frustrating and so outrageous that

436
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: I have this visceral sense deep into my core that

437
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: this is not going well for that team. So that's

438
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: a big one for me.

439
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: Can I build on that? Please the I have see

440
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 1: I go the other way where it's the eyebrot, this

441
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: as unnecessary drive extending bailout penalty. Same thing. So yes,

442
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: so it's you at false start and it's killer and

443
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: it's procedure whatever. But it's the late hit on the

444
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: quarterback who threw a terrible pass on third and nine

445
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: right and it wasn't going to be complete no matter

446
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: what the edge rusher whatever bearing down on him would do.

447
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: He didn't have a choice. He threw it. It was

448
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: nowhere near the receiver. But the guy just doesn't pull up,

449
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: and you just the drive extending bailout penalty. So it

450
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: could be you know, unnecessary roughness. It could be hitting

451
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: a guy late out of bounds or something like that

452
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: where you're just like, he was so short of the sticks,

453
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: why are you shoving him four yards on the sideline. Yeah,

454
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: I think in general, Yeah, what we're both.

455
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: Feeling here, if I could maybe peel back this layer

456
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: of the onion. Yeah, penalties deciding games is really frustrated.

457
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: That's real tough.

458
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: You know, penalties, and it's fine when it's your team.

459
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: Everybody like, we're cool with that, mm hmm. But penalties

460
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: in general deciding games. We saw it a little bit

461
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: in the super Bowl. I don't want to get too

462
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: far in the NFL, but penalties deciding games is really frustrating,

463
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: really really a good sense of outreach.

464
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: Whatever, what else do you have? Well? I also have

465
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: on that same note, just in terms of penalty. The

466
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: whole targeting thing is interesting because while there is a

467
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: letter of the law, right the crown and above all

468
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: that stuff, right, there are certain boxes that targeting has

469
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: to to check and it's either a standard or you

470
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: kick them out. Yeah. The emotion you feel when you

471
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: feel like your player has been targeted, which a lot

472
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: of it is just like, oh, that's clearly targeting. Or look,

473
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: it's not a great rule, but this is text book

474
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: you gotta call it. Or when it's your team who

475
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: is accused of targeting, you say to yourself, what do

476
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: we know? This isn't what we want football to be.

477
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: This is really come on, come this clean hit. It's amazing.

478
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: How if you change the colors of the uniform, how

479
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: different the reaction. It's just it's just a flipped thing.

480
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is. Also the Oregon had it, I

481
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: think a loss because a player sacked a quarterback in

482
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: a big moment and then celebrated a little bit too

483
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: excessively and a called for unsportsmanlike conduct and that extended

484
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: the drive. That was tough. That's a tough beat tie.

485
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, the drive extending killer bailout penalties might be

486
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: the worst on my list. You want to know what

487
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: else I have here? I would love to run run

488
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: pass power run fails goal to go. Yeah, run run

489
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: pass power, run pass. What we're doing every time? Run

490
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: run past power run Okay, cool?

491
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: Close cousin a close cousin of like three consecutive fades

492
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 2: to the back corner.

493
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: Yes, close cousin. Overthrowing a wide open receiver downfield where

494
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: the announcers are like already talking about it as if

495
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: it's a touchdown. We're like, oh, and he's got a

496
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: man what all? Just a little bit too much mustard

497
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: on that one. Ye, that's tough. That's tough. That kills

498
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: a little part of my spleen. Every time throwing short

499
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: of the sticks on third down never gonna be okay,

500
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: with it an all American first and second down defense,

501
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: and only on first and second downs, we're like doing

502
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: nothing but forcing third and nines and giving up third nine.

503
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: There is nothing worse as a college football fan than

504
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: watching or being forced to watch a defense that is

505
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: terrible on third downs. That will take years off your life. Yes,

506
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: that will take years off your life.

507
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: I've experienced that.

508
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: No college football fan has been in a situation where

509
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: they haven't experienced that.

510
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: It's very frustrating. Close cousin to your finally getting the

511
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: quarterback down after he evades three or four dudes. Close

512
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: cousin to that anytime a quarterback is wrapped up and

513
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: wriggles out of a sack. God, I want to put

514
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: my fist through a window. I just I can't have it.

515
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: I can't have you take seven of the natural and

516
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: necessary eight steps, you know, getting a good jump on

517
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: the snap, putting a move on the tackle, whatever, you know, closing,

518
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, getting a sense for the where the quarterback is,

519
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: and you know, swinging your hips whatever and not and

520
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: wrapping and sliding down. Can't have it, ever, can't have

521
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: it ever. Similar cousin to how about a safety coming

522
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: up to lay a big hit with his shoulder but

523
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: not actually form tackling. Yeah, and the guy just bounces

524
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: off and runs for ten more yards. Right, seeing that

525
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: in slow.

526
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Motion trying to hit stick and just not working. I've

527
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: got one here. And this was actually a common theme

528
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: among folks who submitted again through overballers dot Com. Yeah,

529
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: a lot of references to conservative play calling. What I

530
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: called out specifically was the over conservative punt. So inside,

531
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: you're on the this is like an Iowa thing, right,

532
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: You're on the thirty eight yard lines, too far for

533
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 2: a field goal. You don't have much faith in your

534
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: offense to move the ball eight yards, three yards, whatever

535
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: it is, and you just decide to punt. You go

536
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: for the coffin corner punt right, which, look, if you've

537
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: got a good defense, can work out in your favor,

538
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: but just kind of feels like a little bit of

539
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: a limp effort.

540
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: I hate watching not playing a win.

541
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: I hate that I've got refs who get the replay wrong,

542
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: which is kind of the flip side of what I

543
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: said earlier. But where you're watching it, maybe it's an

544
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: overly long replay review and everybody you seeing it the

545
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 2: announcers are calling it out. They go to you know,

546
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: they go to Jene Sterotor to get what Jen get,

547
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: Jean's opinion on the matter, and Dean Blandino.

548
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Everybody is in.

549
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: Agreement that the call should go one way, and then

550
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: the rest just sort of do their own thing and

551
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: freelance in a different direction. That's very frustrating to me.

552
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: I have poorly executed studio shows. Not to call out

553
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: specific networks. If you've listened to the show before, you

554
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: know how I feel about some studio shows. CBSNBC, excuse me, Yeah,

555
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: but just a really bad studio show, despite the fact.

556
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: That they're paying millions to have the rights to these games.

557
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: What it makes a bad studio show, tye.

558
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: First off, if they don't add anything to the broadcast.

559
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Right.

560
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: The studio show exists in my eyes for two reasons.

561
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: First off, to update me and show highlights around the

562
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: world of college football.

563
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: What else is going on.

564
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: Out there that I need to know about while I

565
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: am focused on this football game. That's the first thing,

566
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: and most of them do that. The second is provide

567
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: some actual insight into the game at hand, into the

568
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: game that we're watching. And you know, I just feel

569
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: like in some instances they turn it into kind of

570
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: a side show. In other instances, they kind of do

571
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: enough to just hit the bare minimum, but don't inject

572
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: any emotion into it, right. And it's the kind of

573
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: thing where you just you'd almost be better served to

574
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: go on ESPN dot com and read the box core,

575
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, like, give me some inject some of this

576
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: emotion that we're talking about here into the studio show.

577
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: Give me chemistry, give me something that makes me want

578
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: to watch through halftime.

579
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Man, I just keep hearing you talk about Tony Dungee

580
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: without saying his name. I'm not saying I'm not saying

581
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee.

582
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, we've seen it with a

583
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: couple networks now, they just they have not yet cracked

584
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: the studio show on college.

585
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: Football when they're on college football duty. The feeling when

586
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: you're watching your team struggle in some way and they're

587
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: not getting the ball to the obvious guy to get

588
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: the ball to. When you find yourself on the couch

589
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: saying you have Devin a chain on your team, give

590
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: the ball to. That feeling where a star player who

591
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: could change the complexion if you creatively found ways in

592
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: the passing game and the run game and direct sonouse

593
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: whatever to get him the ball. And lack of touches

594
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: is it drives me bonkers when I'm watching my specific team,

595
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: when watching Oregon and some game changer is just not

596
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: seeing any action. Hate that. How about this? And this,

597
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: I might say, is my number one as I've experienced

598
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: it in big moments as an Oregon fan. We've all

599
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: experienced it watching our teams. You can't get to any

600
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: of these places in a play without the center snapping

601
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: the ball to a quarterback. You give me a bad

602
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: snap I snapped. You give me a bad snap and

603
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: a key moment in it that I was gonna say,

604
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: you have one job, but no centers have more than

605
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: one jobs. But you give me a bad snap where

606
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: we can't even see what the quarterback could do with

607
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: the opportunity to throw the ball downfield in this huge

608
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: moment and the center snaps it over his head, or

609
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: there's some sort of miscommunication where the center snaps it

610
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: like a rogue missile at the numbers up on the

611
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: quarterback's chesty. Bad snaps, bad snapping communication. You know, the

612
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: quarterback all of a sudden decides to change the play

613
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: and is yelling at the slot receiver, and that's when

614
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: the center thinks he has the cadence and there's some

615
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: sort of miscommunication.

616
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: That's just a heat seeking missile that hits him in

617
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: the helmet and bounces astray.

618
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm inconsolable after a big moment. Bad snap.

619
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: All right, so real, We're gonna move on to the

620
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: next one, but real quick.

621
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

622
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: A few of the other ones that can in that

623
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: I think are really funny. This one's really good. Somebody

624
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: wrote in about when announcers jinx the college kicker yep

625
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: by saying that they have made X number of kicks

626
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: in a row, and then the kicker actually misses the kick.

627
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: That happens a lot, and that's very, very frustrating. It

628
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: does make you wonder if the occult forces of college

629
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: football are real or not real. We've got a bunch

630
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: here that discuss in general the topic of game mismanagement,

631
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: but specifically clock mismanagement. Yes, right, the late game James

632
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: Franklin stuff, or teams in general who don't seem to

633
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: understand how the clock works. Ladder on in the in

634
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: the game on the fourth quarter, right, They don't know

635
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: when that when you go out of bounds, the clocks

636
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: can start running again at some point. Like all these

637
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: little things, how teams end up wasting time down the

638
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 2: stretch key seconds that could help my win.

639
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: Nothing worse than doing the timeout hand motion to the

640
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: TV and going increasingly faster when your coach is not

641
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: the coach who believes in rollover timeouts getting them into

642
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: next season or next week. Awful, awful.

643
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: The mismanaged time out here, I think is the cream

644
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: of the crop.

645
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you.

646
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: What gives you hope?

647
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: A quick unexpected touchdown, right, a broken play touchdown you're

648
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: down twenty and it's a scoop and score, it's a

649
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: special team's touchdown. You need something quick to give you hope.

650
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: The other thing, which does not feel super nice to

651
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: say out loud, how are you feeling now? Quarterback? It's hurt.

652
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: Opposing quarterback gets hurt. You're like, I don't want that.

653
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: I never want that to happen. But if you're talking

654
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: about who I really am at my core, if Oregon

655
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: is playing in a big game, and so and so

656
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: quarterback for USC or for Ohio State or for whoever

657
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: their starting quarterback goes down early, and I don't think

658
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: going into the game Oregon has much of a chance.

659
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Suddenly I'm like, well, I hope he's fine, but just

660
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: fine tomorrow, right, a head injury, maybe an ankle, a.

661
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: Tweaked hammy, or cramping or something that will resolve something

662
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: that's specifically his fault. He cramps up because he's not

663
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: properly hydrated. It's not because he takes a crazy hit.

664
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: It's something that's easily correctable next week. Right, Yeah, that's

665
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 2: all that's Honestly, I don't hate an opposing quarterback going

666
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: down if it's not a head injury and it's something ultimately,

667
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, I'm.

668
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: Not going to tell you that that's who I am.

669
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm too late for me to change time in my

670
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: mid to late thirties. Here is who I am. What

671
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: do you have? There are many things that bring me hope.

672
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: There are two things that I called out on my list. Okay,

673
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: first is always and will remain the promising recruit with

674
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: no actual gameplay experience. Yeah, okay, So, as we've said

675
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: here before, as they said in Ted Lasso, in college football,

676
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 2: it is the hope that kills you. Yeah, it's freshman right,

677
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: the promise the lu of the five star of the

678
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: four star prospect.

679
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: Who could change it all.

680
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: But he's never played.

681
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: At this level. But he's ever played and so yeah,

682
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: so maybe maybe not.

683
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: That's the first thing. The second thing, and this really

684
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: does if you want to peel back the onion and

685
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: get to the core of what makes me me. And

686
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: you'll know this because we've done this show for fifteen

687
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: seasons now. Yeah, I am superstitious. I'm one hundred percent superstitious.

688
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: I've tried to get away from it. I'd like to

689
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 2: believe that as I've gotten older and wiser, I've gotten

690
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: away from the ridiculousness that is my own superstition. But

691
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: I am not ashamed of it, especially when it works

692
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: so for me. The most obvious way that I could

693
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: call this out is when I am watching a game

694
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: up at Mama Age's big Notre Dame game and I

695
00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: find what I believe is a particularly lucky seating arrangement. Okay,

696
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 2: and Mamma h is in her chair, I'm in mind,

697
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't go well, and I.

698
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: Said, we got we gotta switch. Mm hm, you got it,

699
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: we gotta switch. Maybe somebody else is there.

700
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: On occasion, we've had family members there. They think I'm nuts.

701
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: It's fine, but then we find the right.

702
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: Combination mm hmm.

703
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: There's a long run or defense winning football, third down

704
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: sack and in that moment, obviously the game comes down

705
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: to where we're sitting. Of course, of course watching together

706
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: in the living room. So what brings me hope is

707
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: finding that successful that that very charmed seating arrangement while

708
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: watching a game with Mama h in particular, will.

709
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: You try to manifest things in your head during a game?

710
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: So what what? So that process is you it's not

711
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: necessarily giving your self hope. It's you talking yourself into

712
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: a certain scenario of ABC and D in the second half, like, no,

713
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: they're not out of this because they hit those early

714
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: couple passes. So you know they have something in the

715
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: playbook that's given Ohio State a little bit of trouble.

716
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean, so you will sit there and manifest what's

717
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: the book the secret right where you're just over and

718
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: over in your head playing out the good things that

719
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: are about to happen, and that's what makes them happen.

720
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: You're putting that energy into the universe.

721
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: The two versions of this The first is the more

722
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: public and more embarrassing version, which is I just post

723
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: all this to Twitter. Yeah, of course, and like sometimes

724
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: i'm writer, sometimes old takes exposed finds it, which has

725
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: happened before, and that's just sort of sort of the

726
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: cost of doing business here.

727
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. The second is when I.

728
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: Really get like even deeper than we are right now.

729
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: I believe in that moment, perhaps at halftime, when I'm

730
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: maybe feeling the alcohol a little bit mm hm, when

731
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: I believe that maybe I can talk to the force

732
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: from Star Wars, or maybe I have some sort of

733
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: inner energy a lah dragon ball z, and I can

734
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: harness it and I can put my thoughts into the

735
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: ether and that it can affect my dear. That hasn't

736
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: really worked to my knowledge, But there are moments where

737
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: I'm right and it feels good, and I often overlook

738
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: the fact that I'm being a little overly dramatic about it,

739
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: but just being an I.

740
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: Am a big believer in the idea that possessions are priceless,

741
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: that you have a finite number every game and you

742
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: have to do everything you can to maximize them. And

743
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say in an defensive ish type

744
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: back and forth that field goals are failures. But in

745
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: any other scenario, especially when it's pretty clear early on

746
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: that field goals aren't going to win a game, and

747
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: the opposing coach kicks it from the nineteen on fourth

748
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: and three or something like that, which is just that

749
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: old school announcer football head, you got to take the points, tie,

750
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: you got it. When the coach takes the points in

751
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: a game that like, it's pretty clear that you're not

752
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: going to beat Alabama with field goals, and that coach

753
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: takes the field goal early on on an otherwise opportunity

754
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: to keep the ball moving, it gives me hope. I mean,

755
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned the you know, the the conservative fourth down

756
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: decision making fourth and one midfield. If a coach is

757
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: giving away possessions or a coach decides to take a

758
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: field goal in a touchdown fight, that gives me hope

759
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: because down the line, you're going to look back at

760
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: the possessions and how you did or didn't take advantage,

761
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: and it's going to come down to something close, and

762
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: that coach deciding to take the points ultimately loses you games.

763
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: This is a great one that we got from our Yeah,

764
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: from Marv ballerhood again. We put a post out on

765
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: Patreon at verballers dot com asking people to just fill

766
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: out this survey. Mm hmm, somebody said, and we got

767
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: other answers that I think are akin to this. Please

768
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: how about the chemistry among the players during spring practice

769
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: and or fall camp. This is like an athletic special.

770
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: This is this is something that this is. This is

771
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: the article that every Beat writer has to write. They're

772
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: like contractually obligated to write about the chemistry the culture

773
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: guys buying in It means I mean, it's not meaningless,

774
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: but in the grand scheme, it really means nothing. But

775
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: it is the kind of thing that gives you just

776
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: unbridled hope about where the season could go. The fact

777
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: that the players and the coaches.

778
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: And they're all on the same page. You hear that

779
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: a lot.

780
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: That type of stuff that can be brings eternal.

781
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: I can give you a very specific I can go

782
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: even deeper if you show me something about and this

783
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: again is my team, but I think it would be

784
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: true for anybody. You show me something in mid August

785
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: about how the entire team went, like Whitewater rafted, or

786
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: they went and played paintball Bumper cars or they all

787
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: they all had a cookout at you know, the head

788
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: coaches house. You give me that that off site retreat

789
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: energy in fall camp like, ooh, this is a special squad. Guys.

790
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: Forget about those NC state teams, those Minnesota teams of yr.

791
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: This year's team just had fun with super soakers. Yeah

792
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: that all that will always get me as in, like,

793
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: all right, and I'm putting myself squarely in this camp.

794
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm not making fun of anybody because every fall camp

795
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: when I see that, like, oh, guys, they put on

796
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of sumo suits and had a blast. This

797
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: year's team is built different, built then, and then they

798
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: gave up a twenty one point lead to Organ Sick

799
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: when the Beavers just ran straight at him for the

800
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: entirety of the second half. Here's another good one.

801
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking far too in advance at an easier schedule.

802
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: Mmm, of course, the allure of the easy schedule, Dan, Yeah,

803
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: no tough home road splits, no top back to backs,

804
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: that's nice. We do that often in like April. M

805
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: of course.

806
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: In fact, we will do a show about that in April. Sure,

807
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: we did a show last year in the year prior

808
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: ranking schedules, looking at.

809
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: Some of those hidden gems that might be on the schedule. Yeah,

810
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: oh man, how about the hope of a big recruiting weekend, Like, oh,

811
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna be up for this one, guys, And there's

812
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: so much juice. That's tough. That's a tough beat when

813
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: you when you know that you your team fully collapsed

814
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: in front of a bunch of key recruits.

815
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: Let's take a steer in a a slightly different direction.

816
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: Okay, what makes you bloodthirsty as a fan? See? I

817
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: only have one thing here I have I've only listed

818
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: one thing. I have one thing with three parts? Could

819
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: you play the sound?

820
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: Just how are you feeling?

821
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

822
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: This, the bloodthirst that you feel as a fan is

823
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: personal to each and every one of us.

824
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: What does it for you? It does it? I'm not

825
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: proud of who I am in this specific moment. Yeah,

826
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: and it's only one moment, well, maybe two, but generally

827
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: just one per game opening kickoff coverage. More often than not,

828
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: I will stand up as the ball crosses in the air,

829
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: ball crosses through, the return team settles near the end

830
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: Z or whatever for the catch as soon as the

831
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: player catches it, or maybe even a little bit before

832
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: I will stand up from my comfortable couch and yell

833
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: out loud to nobody in particular, kill him. Now. Let

834
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: me be clear, I don't want players seriously injured. I

835
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: understand the point that the kickoff is the most dangerous

836
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: play in sports, and by admitting that I stand up

837
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: and say kill him, that might be a good enough

838
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: reason to abolish the kickoff. I'm open to all of

839
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: those things, but there is something in my marrow that

840
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: makes me stand up and say kill him as if knocking.

841
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't want him hurt. I want him to be

842
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: totally fine. I never want injuries. The idea of killing

843
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: him is merely somebody breaks through the cut, through the

844
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: protection team and just levels him at the twelve, because

845
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: I believe if you do that, that sets a tone

846
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: for the rest of the game. Without any evidence supporting

847
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: this my most excited moment maybe, and you can have

848
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: it at the start of the second half. It's not

849
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: the same. You open up a game destroying the returner,

850
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: not hurt, but you fulfill my goal of killing him

851
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: quote unquote killing him. It sends electricity through my veins.

852
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: Ty it does.

853
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: If we're gonna do a bit of self reflection. Yeah,

854
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 2: things that we're not always that proud of. Maybe maybe

855
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: I can do the same please. My answer here is

856
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: digital idiots. Digital idiots, Okay, digital idiots. And there's three

857
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: versions of the digital idiot. The first is my group

858
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 2: of friends.

859
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what your friends are like, Dan, I

860
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: don't know if we send each other duck emojis before kickoff? Right,

861
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: keep it nice and simple. I happen to have a

862
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: group of friends that hates Notre Dame. Knows that I'm

863
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: a big Notre Dame fan. Are they Penn State people?

864
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: There are Penn State people, all of whom hate Notre Dame.

865
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: And that's fine.

866
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, either love Murray hate them. But the text messages

867
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: the constant push pull of I want to be part

868
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: of this text thread because he's my best friends in

869
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: the world. Yeah, and also I don't want it to

870
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: make it appear as if I am at all perturbed

871
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: by what they're saying about Notre Dame, but deep down

872
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: I am, yeah, and I just like.

873
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: You know that gets me going.

874
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: The second, the second is that very specific group of

875
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: folks who comment on the shows send us emails, and

876
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: we both have to deal with this, but the people

877
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: who say you should do your homework.

878
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Oh that gets you going. That's so

879
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: specific to us as people who never do homework.

880
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, like, we're a national show and

881
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: we do a lot of homework.

882
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Most of what we do is homework. That's oh man,

883
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: sort of. The secret isn't specific to a game. You

884
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: just want to you want to hunt people down, find

885
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: their IP addresses, and kidnap them.

886
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: Leave out the kidnap part, but everything else I'm open.

887
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: But but you know we're going to miss things. Well,

888
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: it's just the nature of what we do is one

889
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty teams plus I didn't.

890
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: Know that we're going to go here.

891
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so we're going to miss stuff. We're a

892
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: two man operation.

893
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

894
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: We don't want to miss things, but it just happens.

895
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: It's just kind of the nature of this beast. When

896
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: I get a note like that, my first response is always, always,

897
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: always to vehemently root against the team of the commenter. Yeah,

898
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: we had this a lot with Oklahoma Peace.

899
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: You take it personally, I do. I do cut like

900
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: I get it.

901
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to be wrong. I take that stuff

902
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: very hard. Because I'm a perfection a perfectionist. Excuse me, right,

903
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: But when somebody is like, you didn't do your homework

904
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: and I did, and I just can't really prove it

905
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: until the things like play themselves out, that gets me going.

906
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 2: That's when I start rooting against a team.

907
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: Do you know I get that email almost every week

908
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: from Mama, h from your mother. Do you don't know

909
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: about Notre Dame? Why did you talk about Isaiah Fosky more? No,

910
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: she doesn't sound like that, and she never sends me

911
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: emails like that. She's a very nice lady. That doesn't

912
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: bother me that much. People love their teams.

913
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me that. It doesn't change anything I do. Yeah,

914
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't bother me that much. But I know it

915
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: takes a lot to buther. I would I it does.

916
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: I would be lying to you face to face, which

917
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: is not something I older. We're all friends here. Yeah,

918
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: being honest here on this show is able therapy session now.

919
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is your livelihood. Yeah, I would be lying

920
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: if I said that.

921
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: There are moments where that does not bother me. Of course,

922
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: I know what we put into this. Yeah, and when

923
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: you write to me with a message like that, and

924
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: I know how to put into it. I'm going to

925
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: root against your team, right, That's why I was secretly

926
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: rooting against Oklahoma all year.

927
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: Now twenty fifteen, tie, Well, I'll have a conversation now

928
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: current ties just blanketing information here? Well that you do

929
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: you have any Notre Dame friends? This is sort of

930
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: similar to your first point. Do you have any Notre

931
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: Dame like self loathing Notre Dame friends? Fan friends who

932
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: like during games like ruin the actual back and forth

933
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: because they're so down on things like why don't you

934
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: just take a step back and stop being like an idiot?

935
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: Here? I don't have, So this is not do not

936
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: have non self loving So this is not so much

937
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame fan thing. I have one friend, in particular,

938
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: a fellow Penn Stater who is the most self loathing

939
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: Penn State fan. Yeah, is the most self loathing Pen

940
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: State fan I've ever.

941
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: One thing goes wrong, one quarter goes wrong.

942
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: Has never liked James Franklin. Yeah, never in a million

943
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: years would. It's a little bit of like the Randy

944
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: Quaid thing in Major League right?

945
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: Where or Major League two? I guess, excuse me? Where?

946
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: Very clearly has issue with the team and just can't

947
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: get passed it. This guy, in particular, has never gotten

948
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: past the fact they hired James Frangler just didn't like him.

949
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: They want to hire them.

950
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: Always wants somebody else to be the coach, and so

951
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 2: anytime something is going right for Penn State, he finds

952
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 2: a way to make that glass half empty.

953
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's total. I have a couple of Oregon

954
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: people who are just like in the middle, and they

955
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: do it sarcastically. They don't do it because they feel

956
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: the emotion of it. They do it just as a

957
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: defense mechanism to say, like bring back Mark Helfrich, Like

958
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: this is not helping. Yeah, you are not making this

959
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: game more enjoyable. This experience is not more fun communicating

960
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: with you, that's all Dan, What makes you obnoxiously confident?

961
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: Oh see, this is great, This is great getting off

962
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: the field on third downs. If I watch an Oregon game,

963
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: and maybe this is because of the baggage and scar

964
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: tissue I have watching Don Pelham and Brady Hoak, and

965
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of Oregon defenses that have disappointed

966
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: you get off the failed quickly on successive drives. I

967
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: feel like I can fly tie. That makes me extremely

968
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: confident as a college football fan. I mentioned the opposing

969
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: coach punting on fourth and short at midfield. That also

970
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: just makes me just like another level in terms of

971
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: the emotions I feel and the other one. It's very basic.

972
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: And I apologize for the language here. Aaron Muff's running

973
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: the shit out of the ball. If you are running

974
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: the shit out of the ball, and I'm not saying

975
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: running well, I'm not saying having a sound game plan,

976
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying varying things up. I am saying, you know,

977
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: the very specific moments where your team has done this,

978
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: and it's doesn't happen all that often unless you're like

979
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: two or three different teams, and even still running the

980
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: shit out of the ball makes you feel invincible as

981
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: a fan. That's it.

982
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there is perhaps no greater keys as a

983
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: college football fan. Then your team getting the ball first

984
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: and scoring quickly and easily on the first drive.

985
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Yeah, that's hope and obnoxious.

986
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: Quickly and easily on the first I'm not talking a

987
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: fourteen play drive. I'm talking five plays, sixty eight yards.

988
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: You know, a quarterback hits a guy who's open on

989
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: a wheel.

990
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: Slips through coverage. Yeah, of course.

991
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: Then a running back gets you down to the goal

992
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: line very quickly, break up the team a minute and

993
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: a half, five plays, scoring especially bonus points here if

994
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: it's against.

995
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: A ranked opponent.

996
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is nothing that is a bigger keys than that,

997
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: Nothing that leaves you feeling with that sense like you're flying.

998
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: Of course, more than that, and oftentimes in my cases

999
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: come back to bite me.

1000
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: Right, it's a great opening script. It's like, oh man,

1001
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: they got it figured out.

1002
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: And then, like you see this often against teams like

1003
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Alabama or Georgian. Right, whatever damage the opponent's going to do,

1004
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: they're gonna do it in the first ten minutes, and

1005
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: then after that, forget it. It's over. We'll get to

1006
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: the hopeless part of this conversation, yep, a little bit

1007
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: later here. Some other answers that we got from the verballerhood.

1008
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: Someone says, betting the under in any Iowa game. Okay,

1009
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: how about a defensive line just straight up taking over

1010
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: a game.

1011
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: Dan, that's always great, that is always wonderful. It doesn't

1012
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: mean your team's gonna win, but obnoxiously confident that the

1013
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: four guys we brought to the party are going to

1014
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: be better than the five guys you brought to the

1015
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: party all night long. That's a great, great feeling.

1016
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: Success on third downs, much to your point, is another

1017
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: one that we got here we go the off season.

1018
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 2: No matter what happens, I can always spin whatever happened

1019
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: in the off season.

1020
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: Into extreme optimism. Great answer. What about the feeling as

1021
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: your team runs off the field at half, scoring with

1022
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: three seconds left and knowing you're getting the ball back

1023
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: to start middle eight and half the whole middle eight thing,

1024
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: the middle eight thing, but forget even like fully capitalizing

1025
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: and you know, scoring twice getting the ball back after

1026
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: halftime because you deferred to the second half, and scoring

1027
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: right before half. Just the feeling of man, should they

1028
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: kick the field goal? Man, I don't know if they're

1029
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: playing this right, And they play it perfectly and get

1030
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: in they get six right before the half knowing you're

1031
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: getting the ball. So that's the confidence thing at the

1032
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: half and you get to sit in that in that

1033
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: just wonderful, wonderful stew of optimism all half long.

1034
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: That's a great feeling having an elusive quarterback. There we go, yep,

1035
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: I like this one a lot. It feels good to

1036
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: see defenders frustrated when they just can't tackle the passer

1037
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: and know that they're going to get yelled.

1038
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: At on the signs.

1039
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the elusive passer making a couple appearances in today's episode.

1040
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: Yep, I love that.

1041
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: Let's move on. Why don't we go to what makes

1042
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: you hopeless?

1043
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: Dan? Okay, not stopping the run with stack boxes. There's

1044
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: just nothing you can do. There is literally like, well,

1045
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: those are all of the players we are allotted to

1046
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: have on the field on defense and they cannot stop

1047
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: the very basic things that that other team is doing.

1048
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: That makes me pretty hopeless. The other one is when

1049
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: the coaches don't trust a backup quarterback and it's all

1050
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: screens and hitches, like, oh no no, we don't think

1051
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: he can read a defense. Oh no, no, no, no,

1052
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: we're not throwing it to cover too. No no, no,

1053
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: we're not throwing the ball downfield. He's not going to

1054
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: be able to look off a safety. When that becomes

1055
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: clear in the middle of the first quarter, it's like, well,

1056
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: you just you throw up your clipboard and you're like,

1057
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe I should go for a jog.

1058
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: This is not productive me sitting here for the next

1059
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: two and a half hours, because if the guy's on

1060
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: the sideline, don't think Number seven has it in him

1061
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: to throw it eleven yards consistently. What am I doing here?

1062
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: What am I doing on this couch?

1063
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: Somebody says, fumbles, Yeah, just go both ways. Yeah, fumbles

1064
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: is a really good one. Another person says, pick six

1065
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: turnovers definitely leave people for use feeling hopeless. The one

1066
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: that I called out, and it's it's sort of related

1067
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: to the whole quarterback the elusive quarterback thing, but quarterbacks

1068
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: just in general, with too much time, too much time threat.

1069
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, when they're just I have that down

1070
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: here somewhere.

1071
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: And it's I'm not talking about Mike Vick in the pocket.

1072
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Caleb Williams dancing around. But I'm

1073
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: just talking about when you flip a game on. It

1074
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: absolutely applies to your team if you're watching it. But

1075
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: I think it just in general, it's a broader frustration

1076
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: for fans because.

1077
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: See I have that under outrage. Continue.

1078
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a lot of cases, you're tuning into another game.

1079
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: Let's just say it's not Oregon or Notre Dame or

1080
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: Penn State, right, you're tuning into another game, rooting for

1081
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 2: it to be close, rooting for an upset, just rooting

1082
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: for some entertainment value. Right, That's the reason we watch

1083
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: this thing to begin with. There are fewer things more

1084
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: frustrating than being in that headspace, being ready to watch

1085
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: that in like a big Top ten matchup, maybe on CBS,

1086
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: and just seeing nothing but pitch and catch, nothing but catch.

1087
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: There is no pass rush, there is no coverage because

1088
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: there's no pass rush. Whatever the quarterback is, whoever he is,

1089
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: has his pick of the litter, and all day to

1090
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: throw the football.

1091
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: There is nothing more hopeless than that. When it gets

1092
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: to the point where Joel klad or Kirk kurb Street

1093
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: or any RG three is saying something like, man, they

1094
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: have all the time in the world, or how about this,

1095
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: how about this?

1096
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: The play is still ongoing, yeah, and says all day

1097
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: to throw when they call it out in the moment,

1098
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: all day, all.

1099
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: Day, he's still back there.

1100
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: What I was going to say is, we have another

1101
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 2: question that we might get to here about what makes

1102
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: you turn it off?

1103
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: Turn a game off.

1104
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: A game where one quarterback has just unlimited time to

1105
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 2: throw the football kind of rises to that level for.

1106
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: Me, of course, yeah, hopeless. It's and then another sub

1107
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: corollary category codicil whatever is third and eleven. They're rushing

1108
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: three and the quarterback has all the time in the world.

1109
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: Rushing three is great when somebody can get home, when

1110
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: somebody one of those three guys can beat a double

1111
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: team or whatever and get some pressure. But knowing you

1112
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: don't have the ability to get pressure, and you're just like,

1113
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: you know what, We're just gonna drop everybody back to

1114
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: stand around in a very soft zone and have the

1115
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: quarterback pick us apart. Every time. The rushing three thing is,

1116
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: it's so deflating when it's your team. Maybe it doesn't

1117
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: even make you outrage. Maybe it just makes you feel

1118
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: like I'm a North Carolina fan.

1119
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go, a sinking feeling that your team's

1120
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: about to blow a big lead. That's all that's a

1121
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: good that comes to us via again verballers dot Com.

1122
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: That's tough because you should be happy in that moment, right,

1123
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: we're up thirteen, Right, all we need to do is

1124
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: keep it going. But in the back of your mind, like, ah,

1125
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: this is just not gonna last.

1126
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: A close close cousin of that is being down ten,

1127
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: but knowing you have no chance of winning.

1128
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: Yes, where they say finish line, you know it's two scores,

1129
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, get something weird, you know, get a turnover

1130
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: and a touchdown, and there you are. But you also

1131
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: just like ten points might as well be thirty.

1132
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got another one here that I think leads

1133
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: me to our next question. Someone says, a particularly bad

1134
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: first game of the season.

1135
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: That's tough, where you're staring so down a long autumn.

1136
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you put in this pole that we posted.

1137
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: What makes you lightly violent? Yeah?

1138
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: Before putting that in the pole, I looked up synonyms

1139
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 2: for lightly violent, and I figured lightly violent is probably

1140
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: the best way to put it.

1141
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: But like, what makes you want to throw the remote control? Yeah?

1142
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 2: What makes you want to hit a pillow? That type

1143
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: of thing, right, or look at the drywall and think

1144
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: should I punch this? I've been there, right, that sort

1145
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: of thing. I'm not even a confrontational person, but we

1146
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: all have those moments. We're watching, sure, watching college football.

1147
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: What makes you you're a very violent person?

1148
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: No, I'm not.

1149
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: Either one of us is, But what what what kind

1150
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: of gets you up to this line?

1151
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: The bad snaps? It is the bad snaps. If I

1152
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: see bad snaps, big moment, small moment, whatever, that will

1153
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: make me throw a remote control. The other thing is

1154
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: the third down stuff, because there is something that works

1155
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: into Okay, you get the third down, you get the

1156
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: third and eight. You don't necessarily have a great pass rush,

1157
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: your corners aren't necessarily great, your defensive coordinator. But all

1158
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: you need is a college quarterback to be a little

1159
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: bit less than good, right to just throw the ball

1160
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: a little bit behind somebody, and you give up the

1161
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: scramble for eleven on third and ten, and it happens

1162
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: you give up multiple third and long conversions on the

1163
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: same drive. Those double A batteries might be popping up

1164
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: under the couch somewhere. It's not great for me and

1165
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: my remote.

1166
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 2: Then somebody writes in twenty thirteen National Championship, my dad

1167
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: went to Florida State. We were all watching the game.

1168
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: Auburn takes an eighteen point lead. In that moment when

1169
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: everything felt like it was falling apart, a slim I

1170
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: fist into the foot support of the recliner.

1171
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: The force of it broke the wood. I tried out to.

1172
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: Be violent at all during games. Now I haven't gotten

1173
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: close to that. Since here's my story time, Dan, you've

1174
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: heard the story before. But the answer, the correct answer

1175
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: to this question is an unexpected week one loss.

1176
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: Yep. That's what makes me top violent where you've already

1177
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: penciled in the w yep.

1178
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: The date was September the fourth, two thousand and four.

1179
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: I graduated from Penn State in May of that year,

1180
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: so I had I had done a return trip up

1181
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: to state college. Penn State played and obliterated I think

1182
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: it was Akron. I had a friend who was still there.

1183
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: He was on like the six or seven year plan,

1184
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: so I always had a place to crash. We went

1185
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: out tailgated all day, watched the Akron game, immediately went

1186
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: to the bars right afterwards, and we're out all night.

1187
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: You know how it is when you're like twenty two

1188
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: a youth, Yeah.

1189
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: A youth, right, And I could still hang watched the

1190
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: later games when we were out, even hung around for

1191
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 2: the late Lake games, of which Notre Dame versus BYU

1192
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: was one of them. Okay, Notre Dame went into the

1193
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: game as a six point road favorite against BYU. They

1194
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: lost that game twenty to seventeen. It was one of

1195
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: the more frustrating games I've ever seen. I went back,

1196
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: I found the boss score. They rushed for eleven yards

1197
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: that game. And one of the big questions coming into

1198
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: that season. I mean, I'm baby dating myself a little

1199
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: bit here.

1200
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: This is Ty Willingham.

1201
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: This is the end of the Tie Willingham experience. Yeah,

1202
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: but one of the big questions going into that season

1203
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: was why they can be able to run the ball? Right? Who?

1204
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 2: Because I think Julius Jones memory serves it just graduated.

1205
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: It was like, what what is this ground game going

1206
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: to look like? And it was clearly not not very

1207
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: good in that moment. It was so utterly infuriating to me.

1208
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: And I told this story many times. You know this,

1209
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: but I'll tell it again. I had one of those

1210
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: old LG.

1211
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: Flip phones, one of the old LG flip phones.

1212
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: That I did a full on Rob Gronkowski spike with

1213
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: in the middle of the rast Skeler just off of

1214
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: College Avenue, and surprisingly did not get kicked out of

1215
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: the bar. I probably should have been in that moment.

1216
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: Did you just throw somebody's phone? Like, no, it was mine, sir.

1217
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: I smashed my own phone into about a million pieces. Yeah,

1218
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: and just left it there, watched the end of whatever

1219
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: other games we were watching, and then stormed off and

1220
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: dealt with the aftermath afterwards. Thankfully, I have not had

1221
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 2: a whole lot of moments like that. That was the

1222
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: most extreme that I think I've gotten, but definitely created

1223
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: a little bit of a scene in the middle of

1224
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 2: a bar and surprisingly did not get kicked out.

1225
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: I'll say this low point for you for sure as

1226
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: a fan, but I always enjoy the TV shows from

1227
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: the early to mid two thousands where it's like a

1228
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: drug cartel, mafia something where there's a lot of burner

1229
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: phones and after a very important call on a burner phone,

1230
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: they just they snap the flip phone, pop the SIM

1231
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: card out, throw it into a microwave. I love the

1232
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: whole idea of the quick call, snap zap. I love

1233
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: that plot point in anything I watched because I appreciate

1234
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: the necessary steps taken to to end the trace. I

1235
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: think on the wire they did that a lot, especially

1236
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: with the trackable SIM cards and everything like that, where they,

1237
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, throw the SIM card into the river or

1238
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: something like that after the call. It's great.

1239
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: We have a lot of stuff here about bad calls,

1240
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: bad timeouts, losing the national championship game. I think would

1241
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: definitely do that. Somebody says the slow mesh, which I

1242
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 2: couldn't agree more.

1243
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: Yep, Ti, what brings you relief in down moments? How

1244
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 1: are you feeling now? Definitely not calling mom h okay. Yes,

1245
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: her and I items.

1246
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: Were very sympatico and when it oftentimes it's worse for

1247
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: her after a big loss.

1248
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: A couple things.

1249
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: First off, misery loves company, so other teams losing is

1250
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: great for this.

1251
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: That's great making sure somebody, perhaps more high profile than

1252
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: your team has embarrassed themselves more thoroughly today so that

1253
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: your team's embarrassment.

1254
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: Gets lost in the shuffle a little bit. I love

1255
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: that answer absolutely. That's the first one. The second I

1256
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: would say, if I'm really zoomed out, the fact that

1257
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: solid wife Kate does not give a flying f about

1258
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: college football is very helpful. It's a very timely reminder

1259
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: that sports in college football is not the only thing

1260
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: in the world.

1261
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: So that's a good good way.

1262
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: I also really enjoy, and this is after in many cases,

1263
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: like twelve hours to fully process a rather disappointing performance.

1264
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: I take great joy in the recap article that David

1265
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: Hale does for ESPN dot com. Okay, it's a which

1266
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: is which it's very specific, but it is aggressively tongue

1267
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: in cheek, and I think the the perfect reminder that

1268
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: the whole sport is really ridiculous. Yeah, of course, like

1269
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: we're doing this full time. The sport is ridiculous each

1270
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: and every week. It never ceases to amaze me how

1271
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: it outdoes itself. And I think David's column is is

1272
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: just sort of a great reminder of that. Every week

1273
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: he puts a lot into that and that to me before,

1274
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: like as I'm trying to get into the right headspace

1275
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: oftentimes we record on a early on a Sunday morning,

1276
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: that that's a good way to kind of start my

1277
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: my my crash course that I do before we hit record.

1278
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: I have down here, sugar. If things get really bleak,

1279
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm not talking Oregon losing to Georgia forty seven,

1280
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: forty nine to seven or whatever, if it is an unexpected,

1281
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: out of nowhere loss, because here's here's my take, hopelessness

1282
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: is actually kind of good, right that I'd much rather

1283
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 1: lose forty nine to seven than thirty five thirty four.

1284
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: That hurts. The Georgia game was never winnable. The idea

1285
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: that like, oh, this isn't going to be a game

1286
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: and it's only a quarter and a half in. That's

1287
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: okay because you just kind of you have the answers

1288
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: to the test now. You just you know what's happening here.

1289
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: It's all clear to everybody the thing. If something is

1290
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: unexpected loss and if it is ugly at the end,

1291
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: if it's bad timeout usage and bad snaps and everything

1292
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: like that. You know, if I were a Michigan fan

1293
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: after the bad punt snap game, oh man, that's brutal,

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Speaker 1: I would get a bag of Eminem's. That very clearly

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Speaker 1: marks it to be like sharing size, family size, party size.

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Speaker 1: I would get a bag of peen on M and

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Speaker 1: M's and just sit there grumbling to nobody in preticul.

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Speaker 1: That's my way of coping. I'll tackle my children. That's

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Speaker 1: always good. It makes me feel like a big, strong

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Speaker 1: boy because they're small and I have control over the situation,

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Speaker 1: which I didn't during that loss, and it's just good perspective.

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Speaker 1: They're giggling and having good time, so that makes things

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Speaker 1: a little bit better. I'll exhale obnoxiously a lot. I'll

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Speaker 1: just sit on the couch with the TV off and

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01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of Or I'll just make content.

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01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: I'll just make a video and so hopefully other fans

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Speaker 1: of the team I happen to root for find solace

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Speaker 1: in the fact that they're not alone. I'm not alone,

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Speaker 1: and I'll turn it into like alchemy, some sort of

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Speaker 1: bit of video reaction stuff that at least talking it

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Speaker 1: out makes me feel a little bit better.

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Speaker 2: I got a bunch of very interesting answers here. Someone

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Speaker 2: says the Doctor Pepper commercials not a sponsor, could be

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Speaker 2: could be my dogs, which is a great answer heroic efforts,

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: like an edge who keeps giving the quarterback fits despite

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Speaker 2: the fact that you're down twenty one, or the running

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Speaker 2: back who refuses to go down against a clearly better defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what the worst answer is, ty,

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Speaker 1: The worst thing that you can feel to bring your

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01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: self relief after losing a heartbreaking game is taking solace

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Speaker 1: in the fact that your school's academics are superior to

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Speaker 1: the team who just beat you. That's the worst answer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the least relatable answer. Otherwise all answers are valid. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: somebody here says beer, Okay, alcohol, that type of thing.

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Speaker 1: Good individual plays that show the team might have some

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Speaker 1: success in its future. No, I don't have that kind

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Speaker 1: of perspective at all. No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: That's a brighter person than us.

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Speaker 1: Okay. What is the saddest thing you talked about? The

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Speaker 1: most lightly violent thing you've done after a loss. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever taken a sad shower after a loss? Oh man?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever gone for a sad walk around the neighborhood? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I actually think that's probably a healthy

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Speaker 1: thing to just go out there. I did fresh air.

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Speaker 2: I did the sad walk after I found out that

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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly was leaving Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Really, you just needed to process it, Okay. My head

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Speaker 1: was going a million different directions. Okay.

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Speaker 2: And that's not even to say I'm the world's biggest

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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly fan.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. No, I win a bunch of games. It's

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Speaker 1: a whole you know, But you feel deserted. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It threw the entire Notre Dame program into a bit

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Speaker 2: of turmoil. And I remember distinctly going on a walk.

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Speaker 2: I was on the phone with Mama h. I had

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Speaker 2: the air pods in and I remember saying, Mom, I

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Speaker 2: think you might go he's not going to go to

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Speaker 2: LS Why would he go to I said, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You know, people online seem to think that this is

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Speaker 2: just the way they're talking about They wouldn't talk about

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: it this way if they weren't sure that he was going. No,

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Speaker 2: he's not going to go. I was very unnerved by that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: He left, and you know, I think it'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: He's done okay at LSU. I think Marcus Freeman's done

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Speaker 2: okay at Notre Dame. But that was the last, the

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Speaker 2: most recent sad walk I took. Hmm, because of college football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think. I mean, we'll get into

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Speaker 1: this in part two, when it's more team specific and

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Speaker 1: we want to get every we'll go public and verbollers

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Speaker 1: dot Com with us. I think where we'll just get

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Speaker 1: very specific, like what game made you take a sad walk,

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01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: a sad nap, a sad shower, eat a sad you know,

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: drink a sad milkshake, something that like made you physically

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01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: have to console yourself. We're keeple g rated. That's a

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Speaker 1: it's a I have a couple of organ games in

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01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: mind where I was like, I just I need to

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Speaker 1: somehow get away from this couch and distract my self somehow.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the positive ones are comically sized peanut M

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Speaker 1: and m's tackling my children and just sitting there just

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Speaker 1: bathing in the sadness. Yea bathing in the sadness.

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Speaker 2: Here is the final one. Why don't we ask place

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: one and then we'll leave it at this. What makes

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Speaker 2: you turn off a game.

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01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: Dan, It's that overwhelmed backup quarterback thrust into a game

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: against Like I remember watching the No game seems longer

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01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 1: by the way your quarterback goes down in the first quarter.

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Speaker 1: You know that there's no good answer behind him. You're

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01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: playing a good team, and you just know there's no

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01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: game that will take longer than that. That will be

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01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: a five and a half hour game in your mind

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01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: watching this baby giraffe try to run an offense. And

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01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: so I have a couple of times over the years

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01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: just said, you know what, I know where this is going.

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01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't need to spend the next three hours of mine.

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01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't care if ANYBODYDDY in the universe thinks I'm

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01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: a bad fan for turning it off. And I don't

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: have hope, right, I just you just kind of have

1390
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: watched enough to know where it's going where. You're just like,

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01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to watch a different game.

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01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to go elsewhere. I'm going

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01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: to go for a run that has happened.

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Speaker 2: I wrote down the air of inevitability, Yes, yeah, which

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01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 2: I think is very very common if you're watching an

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Speaker 2: Alabama game or a Georgia game as of late, those

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01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: are two very very common examples. Another good example that

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01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: happened to me recently, and it's not college. I mean

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01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: maybe we're on a little bit of an NFL kick

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Speaker 2: here with the Super Bowl, but I watched the Giants

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01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 2: Eagles playoff game a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Giants fan.

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01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: That game was over after the first two possessions, and

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01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: I've never been so sure of anything in my life, right,

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01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: And I said to Kate, I'm like, I'm just not

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to watch the rest of this, Like

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01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: I know exactly what is going to happen from this

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01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: point forward, so that at that moment when it feels

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 2: like the game is over seemingly before it even starts.

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Speaker 1: That's when I cash out. That's when it's like, you

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01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: know what.

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Speaker 2: Now we also are not the target audience for this

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01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: question because we can't really If we're turning off one game,

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01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: that usually means we're.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm but I'm saying you're a Pacific Teams game. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: So you're watching a Notre Dame game and I think,

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: how you don't want to keep watching it? You'll just

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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: flip over to bedlum or whatever. Yeah, like another great

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01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: fine doing it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty twelve or twenty thirteen, whenever it was that

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01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 2: Notre Dame played Alabama in the in the Range Bowl

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Speaker 2: for the National Championship, and I just fell asleep after

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01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 2: it was, you know, twenty one seven whatever in the

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01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 2: first quarter. Yeah, when you since that it's already over,

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Speaker 2: that's what does it for me.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever reached a point in a season, and

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01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: you don't need to be specific to Notre Dame or

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01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: Penn State or anybody, but when your team they just

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01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: clearly don't have it that year, and potential plans come

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: up that if they were good, you'd be like, well,

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01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's playing us. See, I can't swing that specific Saturday.

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01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: Can we do Friday night? Can we do the following week?

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01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: But if you reach the point in a season where

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01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: watching your team lose is not worth the battle to

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: stay home and watch that game, Like I remember when

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01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: Oregon was playing Michigan State in the Red Box Bowl.

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: It might have been Mario's first or second year or

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01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: something as a head coach. I was like this, I

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01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: don't like where this is heading. And we got asked

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01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: to go eat Chinese food early on New Year's Eve.

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01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,560
Speaker 1: You know what, that sounds more fun. I'll just DVR

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: and watch it after the fact, Like, I'd much rather

1443
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: eat good Chinese food than watch it. And that game

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01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: ended seven to six. I want to say, right, I

1445
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: think that was a seven to six game or something

1446
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: ten to seven, And I didn't I was very happy

1447
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: to eat all of those Dan Dan noodles or whatever.

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01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: So that was that that has happened before. I'm just like,

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I'd actually rather do this other non

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01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: football thing than watch this somewhat disappointing football thing. Well, look,

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01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: we had a great Have you had that? Have you

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01:14:59,680 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: had that?

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: By the way, Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Okay. We

1454
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: appreciate everybody writing in with their feedback here. Maybe we'll

1455
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 2: find some way to post all the answers that we

1456
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: got out on Patreon, because we really do appreciate everybody

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 2: kind of giving us there their two cents here, peeling

1458
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 2: back the onion of their own fandom, giving us an

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01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 2: idea for what makes them tick as college football fans.

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Speaker 2: Part two is coming up on Thursday. Yes, it will

1461
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: be a little bit more team specific. We will make

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01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: sure we post another poll for people who are on

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01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: verballers dot com. We may post some of those publicly

1464
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 2: as well to get the feedback from the general public,

1465
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: the general verballerhood that's out there.

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01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: Not subscribing to.

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01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 2: The Patreon again, verballers dot com is where you can

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01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: go if you want early access to our episodes, you

1469
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 2: want to vote in polls, you want to get access

1470
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 2: to discord the whole nine yards. You've heard us say

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01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: that a million times. If you don't do that, that's fine.

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01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: Just make sure you hit subscribe or follow whatever your

1473
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: podcasting app of choice gives you access to, because we're

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01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: going to be here at least twice a week all

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Speaker 2: throughout the off season. Dan, Yeah, I think it's in Part

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Speaker 2: two coming up on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: This has been fun.

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01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: You know, we don't get to do shows like this

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01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: that often. All too often it's focused very specifically on

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01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: news or scores or that kind of thing. But when

1481
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: we really get to pop the hood on what makes

1482
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: us fans, it's kind of cathartic.

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01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel the catharsist? Do you feel like

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01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: you've you've let it all out, where you've let out

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01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: the inner tie. I'm gonna go shed it t here good.

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Speaker 1: I love to hear it.

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Speaker 2: For that guy there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,759
Speaker 2: Tie Hildebrand, thanks for downloading, for listening, maybe for crying

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Speaker 2: with us here on.

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Speaker 1: Today, shotting along violently, lightly violently. Yeah, I've been there.

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Speaker 1: Stay solid. Peace,