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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, alongside

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Speaker 1: right over to Dave Major's. He is chief executive officer

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Speaker 1: Mikam Auctions, and they've got uh uh, the Micham Montgomery

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Speaker 1: Auction coming up August twelve through in what is now

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Speaker 1: a record setting collector car market. Dave, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Greg Jarrett had a nineteen fifty seven

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Speaker 1: MG a hardtop racing coupe and blew out the freeze

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Speaker 1: plugs one morning doing a hundred forty miles per hour

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Speaker 1: when he saw a cop suddenly let off changing compression

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Speaker 1: blow them all out. Can we find him another one?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that we probably can do that. We don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have one in the Monterey lineup.

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Speaker 1: We certainly have a lot of interesting replacements if he,

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Speaker 1: if he so chooses, So let's let's talk about some

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Speaker 1: of that lineup. What do you think is the hottest

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Speaker 1: car that's going to be auctioned off in a couple

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Speaker 1: of days here. Well, you know, Monterey is always a

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Speaker 1: pretty unique event for us, and it's uh, this will

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Speaker 1: be our seventeenth events since we went back to auction

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Speaker 1: in in June. We've seen a lot of beautiful cars,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think I've seen a collection like I

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Speaker 1: have coming up Monterrey for the next three days Thursday,

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Speaker 1: Friday Saturday next week. And there's it's such an eclectic mix.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those that whatever you're looking for,

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Speaker 1: there's you know, just in my mind the cars that

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Speaker 1: I look at that will be there. There's a nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty nine Dusenberg Model J which is and it's a convertible,

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Speaker 1: which makes it very unique. And those you know, everybody

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Speaker 1: knows dus and Birds were spectacular vehicles to begin with.

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Speaker 1: They were in their day back in the nineteen twenties

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of other, um, what I think are

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Speaker 1: going to be very interesting cars. In the eighteen fifty

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Speaker 1: That's I think it's going to attract a lot of attention.

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Speaker 1: And my personal favorite, if you've seen any of the

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Speaker 1: pictures online at at mecom dot com, is the thirty

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Speaker 1: six Delahy Type one thirty five tier drop. If you're

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Speaker 1: familiar with Dela Hayes, uh, they Delahayes to me are

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Speaker 1: the epitome of art beauty. That's like the Ralph Lauren car, right,

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Speaker 1: Ralph Laurens exactly. There's just absolutely every one of them,

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Speaker 1: the Dela Hayes is absolutely beautiful. And I think this

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Speaker 1: is this is probably the best one I've seen in

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Speaker 1: my career. So I'm I'm just excited to get to

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Speaker 1: Monterey and get out on Delmonte Golf Course and see

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Speaker 1: six hundred beautiful cars and and get get things underway.

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Speaker 1: I love the Ferraris. The three forty is amazing. You've

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Speaker 1: got a seventy two UM three sixty five Daytona that

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Speaker 1: looks quite cool at sixty five super fast UM which

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Speaker 1: which Kayley and I both love, but we're more into muscle.

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Speaker 1: got a sixty eight in polya convertible. Um that that

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Speaker 1: looks really nice. Who is big Al? I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: big Al's collection. He's got a lot of cars for sale. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: why it's listed as the big Al collection. Well he's

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Speaker 1: But well, for me, a riviera means you've got taste,

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Speaker 1: the delta variant. Do you expect any disruptions not just

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Speaker 1: at Monterey but in your events and auctions throughout the fall, Well,

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Speaker 1: that just means more bitters online. Well, we, as I said,

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Speaker 1: model for for live auction events for live attended events,

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Speaker 1: and we we've become very good at executing on that model.

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Speaker 1: So we're prepared as Mikam Auctions, as we have been

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Speaker 1: for the last sixteen months, to to take whatever comes

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Speaker 1: ready to comply with that. I don't think since Monterey

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Speaker 1: talk to. Dave Major, chief executive at Mikam Auctions on Monterey.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, let's get over to Nick Freeling Highs and

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Speaker 1: right now bring it back to markets. He's managing director

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Speaker 1: at Shelton Trust. He's a portfolio manager of equities there

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Speaker 1: and Nick, you know, we we were talking with Brent

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Speaker 1: that's perfectly possible if in fact we get a sharp

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that all bodes quite well for

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Speaker 1: you still have an inventory rebuilt because customer inventories are

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Speaker 1: at all time lows. Do you think about the one

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Speaker 1: I don't think that peak growth yet. And so if

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Speaker 1: I think there's a transition that has to go back

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Speaker 1: And I think that's going to be the trade towards

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Speaker 1: Uh kind of Ebb, it's very bullish, brent Um. You

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Speaker 1: talked about. Um, certainly those were trades that we've put

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Speaker 1: think there's opportunities, but I think returns more moved towards

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Speaker 1: still some opportunities in value small cap and even probably

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Speaker 1: this may surprise some. Well, they're finally gonna overtake their

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven pre h GFC high, so let's

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Speaker 1: take them that long. Um, that was a cheap market

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Speaker 1: that you did, the catalyst, and I think it has

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Speaker 1: it right now, all right, Brent, great to get some

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Speaker 1: time with you. Thanks very much for your insight. Brent

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Speaker 1: Shooty there, Chief investment Strategist, at Northwestern Mutual Wealth Management.

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Speaker 1: Brent overseas two and twenty billion dollars in assets, and

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Speaker 1: he is bullish stocks, but as he said, more the

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Speaker 1: small caps, cyclicals and what's going on in Europe. Thanks

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