Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilish Peacemaker season two episode seven,
Speaker 1: Like a Keith in the Knight. Hello, my name is
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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we will be breaking down the penultimate
Speaker 3: episode of Peacemaker two oh seven season two. It's almost
Speaker 3: the last episode and some crazy stuff went down and
Speaker 3: we will be talking about it.
Speaker 2: And of course he's back.
Speaker 3: He was on vacation, but now our peace Maker correspondent
Speaker 3: super producer Ian has returned for Peace Makeup two seven.
Speaker 4: How I'm doing great. I also just happy to say
Speaker 4: that I was right. Thank you guys for the flowers.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: It feels scared, feel scared.
Speaker 2: I have to give you the credit. We had to
Speaker 2: give you the credit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gonna be interesting to break down what this episode
Speaker 3: tells us about that.
Speaker 1: Well, let's dive into it. Episode seven, Like a Keith
Speaker 1: in the Knight. It opens up right on the heels
Speaker 1: of the previous episode Nazi Harcourt is having Chris and
Speaker 1: Harcourt arrested in the office of Argus. Harcourt is like, Chris,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that you didn't notice you've been hanging
Speaker 1: out in Nazi world. And he's like, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: like a super well read.
Speaker 2: Guy, because like mine camp everywhere.
Speaker 1: Would I be this yeah? Would I be this ripped
Speaker 1: if if I was like reading books? And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: how did you not notice? In a rerunnable, how did
Speaker 1: you not notice this mural of Hitler? And there's smash
Speaker 1: cut to a huge wall sized mural of Hitler.
Speaker 3: Uh so you have the American flag with the Nazi
Speaker 3: symbol on it too.
Speaker 1: Like to be fair, Harcourt had also been through that
Speaker 1: office and did not call out the Hitler mural until
Speaker 1: this very moment. Let's let's just relax. But yes, hilarious
Speaker 1: gag that stretches credulity. Chris tells Nazi Harcourt, listen, I
Speaker 1: think we got to break up, and it's complicated, but
Speaker 1: we got to do it. Then he and Harcourt fight everybody,
Speaker 1: They take out all the Nazis and they begin their
Speaker 1: escape from the office. Back at Vig's house Nazi dimension Vig,
Speaker 1: who is actually anti fascists, Yes.
Speaker 3: Important here, one of the few non Nazis. And of
Speaker 3: course we love the reason. Yes, the reason he.
Speaker 1: Is, uh, the nemesis of this world's Peacemaker is because
Speaker 1: he's devoutly anti fascist and they're the top trio, and
Speaker 1: he say he wants to take Peacemaker down anyway. He
Speaker 1: explains to our Vig what's going on. You know, it's
Speaker 1: pretty basic, you know, Philip K. Dick type stuff. The
Speaker 1: Nazis one World War two.
Speaker 2: Which means this athet we were correct, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, And in this in this world all wealth, there's
Speaker 1: a capitalist system, yes, but it's significantly fueled by the
Speaker 1: slave labor of all the non white, non straight people
Speaker 1: who have been herded into camps and there they toil
Speaker 1: away in horrific conditions. I'm sure Antifa Vige has been
Speaker 1: you know, fightings and justice for years, as he says,
Speaker 1: and then regular Vig is like, oh yeah, wait a second,
Speaker 1: I can't remember the black woman. An think the vision
Speaker 1: is like, we okay, we have to go get her
Speaker 1: right now because she's a tremendous danger. She is being
Speaker 1: chased down the street Captain Triumph. Also in that mob,
Speaker 1: Blue Dragon calls him and is like, listen, whatever you're doing,
Speaker 1: leave that because I need you back home right now.
Speaker 1: And he's like really, but I'm in the middle. So
Speaker 1: he's like, no, no, no, you got to come here.
Speaker 1: And we see that Blue Dragon has Economists taped to
Speaker 1: a chair and he has him holding a block of
Speaker 1: C four in one hand and like the trigger in
Speaker 1: the other hand, so he has to keep a hold
Speaker 1: on that grip or else you know what, He's gonna
Speaker 1: blow up. But also Blue Dragon's gonna blow but he's
Speaker 1: in the power suit. I don't know. Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 2: I gotta say.
Speaker 3: John Economus as a character, Steve Age, You're great, we
Speaker 3: love you. We had you on the Pology.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 3: John Economus is a character I was always doing so
Speaker 3: much TV yelling this episode like this motherfucker has never
Speaker 3: been loyal in his life, Like this guy is the
Speaker 3: easiest to go guy, like he is gonna just give
Speaker 3: up his friends any case. And it was frustrating to
Speaker 3: watch now it does he love them, yes, but he's useless.
Speaker 4: He's just incapable of shutting the fuck up at any
Speaker 4: given time.
Speaker 1: I don't know, does he really give them up though
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, well, there's been many times
Speaker 1: over the course of this season that he could have
Speaker 1: given them up in a significant ways, and yet he
Speaker 1: works when not confronted. Behind the scenes, he is working
Speaker 1: to save them and doing different things to save them.
Speaker 1: It's just when you put him under pressure exactly, that's
Speaker 1: the problem. Well, I mean he's a back where he's
Speaker 1: an office guy. He's not he should be in the office.
Speaker 4: And he's self aware. He's admitted multiple times this season
Speaker 4: he has social deficiency.
Speaker 3: So I actually think it's a very interesting character, aw
Speaker 3: because this whole season has been about you know, loyalty
Speaker 3: and kind of finding your own place, and I think
Speaker 3: is very bad for us to have a character who
Speaker 3: really doesn't have that and doesn't act as you would
Speaker 3: expect the kind of heroic character to act, like when
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Captain Triumph and Blue Dragon a kind.
Speaker 3: Of you know, have him there with the two are
Speaker 3: the characters that end up there. Like he just will
Speaker 3: constantly be like, I wasn't involved, I wasn't there, Like
Speaker 3: you know, it's he can't help it.
Speaker 2: He can't even make himself look good.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he can't Ad flees over fences, through backyards
Speaker 1: and finally into his swing pool. She swims to the
Speaker 1: end of the swiming pool. The Nazis are on her tail,
Speaker 1: almost like like Nazis zombies from Call of Dude.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very intense, and as.
Speaker 1: She comes to the edge of the pool, Judo Master
Speaker 1: is there, pulls her out of the pool and then
Speaker 1: cooks the Nazis with a down electric cable and he
Speaker 1: and Ad and then we get to enjoy the dead
Speaker 1: bodies of the Nazis and the broiling ramen water for
Speaker 1: a moment, and then they escape. In the lobby of Argusts,
Speaker 1: Chris activates his pack to get he and Hardcourt out there.
Speaker 1: Heavily can cuss, I'm sure, but they managed to get
Speaker 1: on the peace cycle and get away. Triumph arrives home
Speaker 1: to this bizarre scene of economists taped to a chair
Speaker 1: and his dad and Economists is just again blaming. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just like a common thief. No, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Wade. I'm a guy from another dimension and
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry. Uh, you know, I'm from that dimension
Speaker 1: where you know, Mike Chris killed your Chris and is
Speaker 1: currently impersonating him, and I'm so sorry about that loose
Speaker 1: Blue Dragon, but they would have figured that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Blue Dragon tells Triumph listen, I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: tell you this, but your brother is dead. I will say.
Speaker 1: Before we get we'll talk about this further. I love
Speaker 1: that in every dimension Chris is dad basically doesn't give
Speaker 1: a shit about.
Speaker 3: But come on, I'm so excited to talk more about
Speaker 3: that because I do think that the choices they make
Speaker 3: with Blue Dragon hair, it's.
Speaker 1: So pretty interesting, very very interesting. Okay, so, uh eaglely
Speaker 1: walks in Economists is like, hey, go kill the Nazi
Speaker 1: versions of Chris's family, and uh Dragon meanwhile is telling
Speaker 1: Captain Triumph that, you know, we'll be in big trouble
Speaker 1: because apparently nobody knows about this portal. If Chris happens
Speaker 1: to tell Argusts or anybody about this portal, like, well,
Speaker 1: we're going to be in big trouble. We have to
Speaker 1: stop him. So Triumph realizes in that moment that wait,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think hardcore is also no Nazi.
Speaker 1: She's wearing pants, which, by the way, again another great
Speaker 1: bit of seeding by James Gunn.
Speaker 3: The older women in the Nazi world, these kind of
Speaker 3: flower see florally outfits.
Speaker 2: We saw other Amelia like that.
Speaker 3: I think this is just such good storytelling that all
Speaker 3: pays off in a really interesting.
Speaker 2: It's great way.
Speaker 3: And also the pants joke is so funny because they
Speaker 3: just do it for too long. They both keep being
Speaker 3: shocked she's wearing pants, and it kind of like it
Speaker 3: keeps going almost too long.
Speaker 2: But and it's it's perfect. This is a really great episode.
Speaker 1: So Judo brings out a Bio to a house that
Speaker 1: he's been hiding out in that he broke into. It's
Speaker 1: got a lot of snacks, awesome. He is like, we
Speaker 1: need to get out of here. We need to get
Speaker 1: back to that portal, you know, the portal code. She doesn't.
Speaker 1: He also explains like we're in a world where the
Speaker 1: nazis one. I've been reading all these books, and he
Speaker 1: and ade Bio basically smashed their beef, you know, at
Speaker 1: a Bio tasered him multiple times and him having to
Speaker 1: you know, go up against the eleven street kids in
Speaker 1: ways in which he's usually lost. He's like, I'm willing
Speaker 1: to smash all of that so we can just like
Speaker 1: get out of here.
Speaker 2: I will say we were right.
Speaker 3: That's what we were right for us because we definitely
Speaker 3: guess that Judo would end up saving ads and that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this.
Speaker 3: I think Judo Master this is maybe his best episode,
Speaker 3: and I love the characterization here and it's so funny.
Speaker 2: And I'm so excited to see more.
Speaker 3: I love that this is another thing kind of like
Speaker 3: with Mantis, where James Gunn did a representation of a
Speaker 3: character in the first season where a bunch of people.
Speaker 2: Were like, Eh, why do you always.
Speaker 3: Do your characters like this, Like why is Mantis a
Speaker 3: silent strong you know, it's very tropy when it comes
Speaker 3: to way like Asian women are represented. And I think
Speaker 3: with Judo Master, there was definitely a conversation about him
Speaker 3: being like a nerve character or being like a butt
Speaker 3: of the joke, and I love that James Gunn has
Speaker 3: the capacity to listen to that and change it.
Speaker 2: And I think this.
Speaker 3: Episode is really a strong Judo Master episode, and I'm
Speaker 3: very excited to see him clearly in whatever goes forward
Speaker 3: being part of the eleventh Street Kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Judo then breaks out a scrabble set. Scrabble call it.
Speaker 1: They call it scrabble here, but it actually makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense when you get into it. And then
Speaker 1: he proceeds to wipe the board with Atebaio. Peacemaker and
Speaker 1: Harcourt enjoy a tender moment on the back of his
Speaker 1: stolen motorcycle while the cops are in pursuit, you know,
Speaker 1: enjoying the feel of each other's bodies against each other.
Speaker 1: It's very heartwarming. Cops eventually close in on them and
Speaker 1: surround them. But Blue Dragon and tryump and gun down
Speaker 1: like fifteen and the number is exactly fifteen cops in
Speaker 1: that moment, and and say you got to come with
Speaker 1: us and Bordeaux.
Speaker 3: When was the last time on TV you saw two
Speaker 3: superheroes blowing up cop cause.
Speaker 2: Question, it's been a while.
Speaker 3: I mean, Wakanda Forever is probably my the lost time
Speaker 3: I saw like the cops lived.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is Nazi cops though, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Would say that.
Speaker 3: In Black Panther two, you may be surprised if you
Speaker 3: watch the scene where more first appears and you see
Speaker 3: really trying to learn how to use the suit with
Speaker 3: Sherry and trying to escape, you may be surprised at
Speaker 3: how many cop cars get blown up and flipped over
Speaker 3: on that bridge in Oakland, I remember being distinctly impressed
Speaker 3: by it.
Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Think that there is an esthetic and qualitative difference between
Speaker 1: you blow up the you know, it's the G I.
Speaker 1: Joe issue. You see the plane blow up and the
Speaker 1: parachute come out, and sometimes, you know, you see the
Speaker 1: plane blow up and you just imagine that the parachute. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: this is like there are like machine gunning, like they're falling.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Senior and Bordeaux pull former Luther minion Sidney Happerson out
Speaker 1: of prison and he is going to be the point
Speaker 1: person for find the portal. They set him up in
Speaker 1: Luther's mobile headquarters from Superman, and he asks, I think
Speaker 1: a very important question, just like what do I get?
Speaker 1: Do I get moved? Do I get like something? And
Speaker 1: Seniors like, no, I I'll just go back to Luther
Speaker 1: and say that you didn't want to do it. And
Speaker 1: so that's enough for Sydney. And Sydney like immediately finds
Speaker 1: the portal, like he justs on the machines and it's
Speaker 1: like right there, oh there it is.
Speaker 2: It's and.
Speaker 1: He notes from the strength and the and the quality
Speaker 1: of the signal that oh, you know, this is clearly
Speaker 1: like a better design than our Lex Corp. A multidimensional portal.
Speaker 1: Like our portal was always picking up weird interdimensional shiite.
Speaker 1: This one seems very very yeah, this one's very stable,
Speaker 1: So they send the coordinates the florry. Ada and Judo
Speaker 1: and the Nazi dimension are talking about Leo Dad's wife
Speaker 1: and ex wife relationship with her, and Judo makes a
Speaker 1: good point that hey, maybe it's actually your fault, like
Speaker 1: you're the one who changed the whole deal on the
Speaker 1: you know, you were supposed to open the store and
Speaker 1: now you want to be like a soldier for hire,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's it might be actually your fault. Then
Speaker 1: Chris comes up and Juda masters like, I, well that
Speaker 1: guy I still hate. We are good, but that guy
Speaker 1: is a piece of shit, big time, Like and here's
Speaker 1: all the reasons, and the reasons are absolutely valid. But
Speaker 1: Ada is like, listen, he's changed, he is, he's got
Speaker 1: a good heart. Some of the stuff that he's turned
Speaker 1: me onto actually turned out to be good. And she's
Speaker 1: and he's my best friend also, so like you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to just get over it with him. I'm vouching
Speaker 1: for him and give him a try. He's a good guy.
Speaker 1: And then Judo's like why was he living in Nazi
Speaker 1: world and like having a great time here, and Adam
Speaker 1: I was like, again, he's a cool guy. I think
Speaker 1: she said to him.
Speaker 2: She said to him, like she said I said. I
Speaker 2: think she said, I said he's cool, not small thing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, he's fucking dumb. We get it.
Speaker 1: So it night falls and it's time to escape back
Speaker 1: to the mansion to get into the portal. They begin
Speaker 1: doing that. Back at the house, Dragon and Triumph come
Speaker 1: in with Chris and Harcourt. There's economists. Dragon is like, listen,
Speaker 1: I need to know everything. I need to know why
Speaker 1: you're here. I need to know how you came here,
Speaker 1: and I need to know how many people you came
Speaker 1: here with. Chris is like it was a total accident.
Speaker 1: I was drunk. I was freaked out by how everything's
Speaker 1: different but the same. I didn't mean to kill your son,
Speaker 1: but like he had a gun on my head and
Speaker 1: it just was instinct and it happened. Triumph is like seething,
Speaker 1: He's can't you barely hold it together? And Dragon is
Speaker 1: constantly having to be like chill.
Speaker 3: The fuck, like, come on, calm down, Dragon surprisingly chilled out.
Speaker 1: More chill of more chilled out. So he then is like, well,
Speaker 1: why'd you come back? Why? You know, like you came
Speaker 1: out here, you saw it, and then you came back
Speaker 1: and tried to live here. Why And Chris is like,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, in my world my dad
Speaker 1: and my brother are dead, and my brother dying was
Speaker 1: like with extremely traumatic moment, and just to be part
Speaker 1: of a family it felt great. Dragon asks Harcourt, how
Speaker 1: many did you come here with? But before they can
Speaker 1: really get into that, there's a knock and Dragon leaves
Speaker 1: Triumph alone with our friends to go inswer the door,
Speaker 1: and it's the cops and they're like, listen, have you
Speaker 1: seen Peacemaker. No, well he's wanted in connection with the
Speaker 1: machine gunning of fifteen cops recently. And Dragon's like, well, listen,
Speaker 1: this might be Nazi world, but there are laws, at
Speaker 1: least for the white men.
Speaker 4: So get off.
Speaker 1: Want to come in here, Get off my fucking lawn
Speaker 1: and come back with with a warrant. Judo an ad
Speaker 1: are watching, like all these cops milling around and the like,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna get through these guys? But then
Speaker 1: the Viges show up Hey, the Viges and Judo Master
Speaker 1: immediately begin beefing. Once again. Ad has to calm them
Speaker 1: down and be like, listen, he's helping me. He's cool.
Speaker 1: What do we do about these cops? Okay, let's kill
Speaker 1: all the cops. Inside, Dragon is questioning everybody about the Alts.
Speaker 1: When the all the Alts show up, they have to
Speaker 1: go back to their world and never come back. He
Speaker 1: makes that very clear, don't you even never come back?
Speaker 1: He doesn't really care that his son got killed, which
Speaker 1: Triumph is very very upset about, and clearly that's going
Speaker 1: to be an ongoing issue. And again this is where
Speaker 1: it really hit home for me that like, wow, it's
Speaker 1: actually crazy that perhaps that in this world too, and
Speaker 1: perhaps in many worlds, Chris's dad just does not give
Speaker 1: a shit, like in a meaningful way, he likes him enough, even.
Speaker 3: In a world where seemingly because there's a really I
Speaker 3: think there's a very interesting moment that they they kind
Speaker 3: of slide in here where earlier on they're talking about
Speaker 3: how he had actually met the Dragon from the main DCU,
Speaker 3: like Prime DCU, and how he'd felt like he was
Speaker 3: really cruel and evil, and so I think that the
Speaker 3: notion here is Yeah, no matter what version of Blue
Speaker 3: Dragon it is, he always hates Chris because whatever version
Speaker 3: of Chris it is isn't the right Chris, you know,
Speaker 3: which is like such a depressing thing to think. It's
Speaker 3: basically like what if the Scarlet which storyline from the
Speaker 3: MCU was inverted and it was like, what if your
Speaker 3: parents hated you in every universe instead of your mom
Speaker 3: trying to find you in every universe. Also, let me
Speaker 3: ask you guys this here we get the moment where
Speaker 3: Blue Dragon says, don't call me a Nazi.
Speaker 2: The Nazi.
Speaker 1: Let me just talk about it. Let me yeah, let
Speaker 1: me just describe the scenes. So they're like, well, this
Speaker 1: is Nazi world and you're a Nazi and stuff. And
Speaker 1: he's like, ah, don't call me that. I hate what's
Speaker 1: going on here. I'll let you know back, I don't
Speaker 1: like it, and he and he pushes back pretty strongly
Speaker 1: on the idea that he is a supporter of this.
Speaker 1: Now I agree with you. I think, like, listen, are
Speaker 1: there people just like in our world? Are there people
Speaker 1: who like disagree who live in countries that you know,
Speaker 1: you have to always make a distinction between the government,
Speaker 1: political the yeah, the political system of a place and
Speaker 1: the people that said he is part of the top
Speaker 1: trio in the world. You know.
Speaker 4: It is interesting though, because he says in response to that,
Speaker 4: he's like, well, I don't know about in your perfect world,
Speaker 4: but like here, you know, do you like stop every
Speaker 4: single injustice in your world? That's like, okay, that's a
Speaker 4: fair point, Like there is no perfect conversation the world
Speaker 4: run by not He's a pretty big one, you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's an important I do think it's an
Speaker 1: important conversation because he brings up some good points and
Speaker 1: a certain point. You know, if you're gonna make these big,
Speaker 1: sweeping statements that are on their face probably true, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to reckon with the fact that some people
Speaker 1: are gonna get dropped into a bucket that maybe don't
Speaker 1: believe Blunger and that's it to look at the and
Speaker 1: we don't know what, you know, it seems like the
Speaker 1: what we've seen of the top Trio is they're fighting Kaijus.
Speaker 1: They're not like on concentration camp duty, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, actually, you make a good point because there's a
Speaker 3: moment where when he's explaining that he's chasing off the
Speaker 3: ads because he thought one of them got out. That's
Speaker 3: Captain Triumph who said that his dad is like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is wrong with you? Like, we don't do that,
Speaker 3: That's like not our job. So they obviously feel like
Speaker 3: that separation is keeping them. And we also get a
Speaker 3: moment here where Blue Dragon talks about how clearly like
Speaker 3: the cops are corrupted. He doesn't mind lying about the cops.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna hand him over. It's an unexpectedly complex.
Speaker 1: And I think we're meant to wonder if if having
Speaker 1: power in this world, but kind of like not doing
Speaker 1: anything about the stuff that you see is wrong, is
Speaker 1: does that make you a Nazier? Not? I personally, I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like, listen, you're the top team, you're
Speaker 1: the top trio. Your son was chasing a black woman
Speaker 1: down the street because he thought one of them got out. Exactly,
Speaker 1: you don't even have influence with him, and in fact,
Speaker 1: you're like walking around and enjoying the fruits of the
Speaker 1: system without ever actually challenging. And I don't know, it
Speaker 1: kind of feels like it's Nazist hit.
Speaker 3: It's the Regina Jackson quote where it's like, if there's
Speaker 3: a Nazi at the table and ten other people are
Speaker 3: sitting there talking to him.
Speaker 2: You've got a table with eleven Nazis, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's like, if you're upholding a Nazi situate society
Speaker 3: with your actions rather than being part of the Sons
Speaker 3: of Liberty or being part of you know, Vigi's like
Speaker 3: actively anti fascist situation, then yeah, I think it would
Speaker 3: be fair to say they're Nazis or at least up
Speaker 3: holding the Nazi.
Speaker 2: I mean they work in a building with Hitler painted
Speaker 2: on the wall.
Speaker 1: Well the only Chris, but Captain Triumph and Blue Dragon
Speaker 1: were easy.
Speaker 2: They were allowed to just like go in there, so
Speaker 2: August like knows of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yes, listen, it's complex. I'm I come
Speaker 1: down on the side of you know, Nazi enough for me,
Speaker 1: one drop. So we get this really interesting and complex
Speaker 1: conversation in which we find out that Blue Dragon actually
Speaker 1: is really and we don't have I would also stress
Speaker 1: that we didn't have time to go through Okay, like
Speaker 1: what about this belief? Okay, what about this one? Okay,
Speaker 1: what about this guy? I think there's probably significant overlap
Speaker 1: despite Blue Dragons objections. That said, Chris the eaglely comes
Speaker 1: in and there's a big fight, and the cops are
Speaker 1: also there, so there's this huge like melee. The cops
Speaker 1: are getting killed, Eaglely is pecking people and everybody's all
Speaker 1: our heroes are trying to escape through the big portal.
Speaker 1: Before you know, all this gets too far out of
Speaker 1: hand and Chris is like being led there by Harcart.
Speaker 1: He's almost there when Captain Triumph bursts through the wall
Speaker 1: and starts like beating the shit out of him. All
Speaker 1: Chris's friends grab him eagerly is like shreading, yeah, people
Speaker 1: like stabbing yea the like in the like.
Speaker 4: Right as he's wrapping up this like I'm not a
Speaker 4: Nazi speech, he just Fitch jumps through the window and
Speaker 4: stabs him in the neck, like like oh ship yeah.
Speaker 1: And Chris has this epiphany of the violence of his
Speaker 1: upbringing and he's seen his brother die in his dimension.
Speaker 1: Now he's seeing his brother, though a Nazi, die in
Speaker 1: this dimension and he's like stop it, just stop. Let's
Speaker 1: just leave leave him alone, all this violence like it's
Speaker 1: I'm the common denominator, and he just like breaks down.
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a it's a heartbreaking moment. They
Speaker 1: all escape out of the portal Altvig stays there because
Speaker 1: he wants to fight the Nazis. Harcourt is like, give
Speaker 1: me your gun so I can execute Captain Triumph because
Speaker 1: he's gonna come for revenge. That's going to be bad.
Speaker 1: And but before she can do that, she's interrupted by
Speaker 1: like the continuing cop fight, and they go back close
Speaker 1: up the portal. Just as Argus is arriving outside of
Speaker 1: Vig's mom's house, Chris folds up the portal, goes out front,
Speaker 1: hands the portal over to Senior and is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they made me give it to you, so they are
Speaker 1: the heroes here. They've done nothing wrong. I'm under arrest
Speaker 1: and I'll see you later. H Judo Master of course,
Speaker 1: stands with Argus and they take Chris in and uh
Speaker 1: and judging by the things that some of the interviews
Speaker 1: I've seen, I think we might end this this season
Speaker 1: probably will end with Chris in jail.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think. So also as well, we do.
Speaker 3: We did have that really interesting conversation with James Gunn
Speaker 3: recently in the press why he was saying that the
Speaker 3: story is going to continue, but it's not necessarily going
Speaker 3: to be peace Maker season three. So I think that's
Speaker 3: really interesting and adds to that, we also do get
Speaker 3: a final moment of Captain Triumph being pulled into the
Speaker 3: ambulance and saved, and it's clear that whatever happens next
Speaker 3: in the kind of DCU James Gunn Superman Verse, Captain
Speaker 3: Triumph will be returning to hunt Down because really, Chris
Speaker 3: did come in then just like kill his whole family.
Speaker 1: It's like, I get why he's upset. You know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to care that much. Yeah, don't be an understanding.
Speaker 1: I do understand why he's upset. Yeah, Okay, let's talk
Speaker 1: about this episode because I think, oh, let's go to
Speaker 1: a quick break and then we right back and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about this episode. And we're back wild and super
Speaker 1: fun and really like heartfelt episode. So I think they did.
Speaker 1: I think they did great work in remaining loyal to
Speaker 1: like the central kind of friction with Chris, which is
Speaker 1: his struggle to be less of an asshole.
Speaker 4: And she's a desire for acceptance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his questioning of why bad stuff seems to
Speaker 1: follow him, you know, violence et cetera seems to follow
Speaker 1: him everywhere, and you know that moment where He's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't kill Captain Triumph, you know, like, don't stop. This
Speaker 1: I thought was really effective and really earned. Just certainly
Speaker 1: you want to see this guy get killed.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Ian, how, how do you feel
Speaker 3: like the payoff was up? Seeing as you were the
Speaker 3: one who clocked this, Like, do you feel like this
Speaker 3: episode lived up to the theories, to the fan kind
Speaker 3: of recognition of the fact that this was going to
Speaker 3: be a white supremacist wild like.
Speaker 2: That's a hard thing to pull. Do you feel like
Speaker 2: this episode pulled it off?
Speaker 4: I do. I think it did. I think James Gunn
Speaker 4: did a great job of, you know, threading all the
Speaker 4: little callbacks in little hints and making it all come
Speaker 4: together cohesively. And one thing that I really loved about
Speaker 4: it was our Court and Judah Master immediately both calling
Speaker 4: it out like how could Chris not notice all this stuff?
Speaker 4: Which I thought was really hilarious, but also like out
Speaker 4: of Bio's explanation or justification. I thought, on the face
Speaker 4: of it, like it, I get it, it's sweet, it
Speaker 4: makes sense, but like also it's like is that enough?
Speaker 4: Like is that good enough? Like oh yeah, yeah, He's like,
Speaker 4: once you get past the cheesy stuff. He's actually a
Speaker 4: really sweet guy. He's changed, you know, he's just kind
Speaker 4: of dumb, and like even Judah Master was like yeah,
Speaker 4: but like he still how could he have like not
Speaker 4: noticed and like chosen to live here? And she was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a good point. And then they kind of just leave.
Speaker 1: It there and they don't really dig deeper. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I will say that, while I love the Hitler mural joke,
Speaker 1: it did threaten to kind of blow up that part
Speaker 1: of that this like interior reality, the fiction of because it,
Speaker 1: while a hilarious gag, it is the one thing where
Speaker 1: you're like, how did you I feel like if you
Speaker 1: walk into a room with a huge picture of Hitler's
Speaker 1: going to be yeah, and and and again there's also
Speaker 1: the fact that Harcourt Real Hardcourt didn't see it, never
Speaker 1: mentioned it before that moment, so it feels like a weird,
Speaker 1: unrealistic moment that plays. But it's also like it's a
Speaker 1: joke that you I wonder if they talked about not
Speaker 1: including it, because it does kind of threaten to blow
Speaker 1: the whole premise of he's a good guy, just dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah he doesn't, he just doesn't notice stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: I agree that at a Bio's. I kind of liked
Speaker 1: that conversation because it's like, you know, you can't expect
Speaker 1: people to be errordite all the time, so much of
Speaker 1: life just kind of boils down to Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: like that guy. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, Like despite all the he's good to me,
Speaker 1: he's nice when you get to know him.
Speaker 3: Okay, So another thing I was really impressed with this
Speaker 3: episode was the way that they so easily and smartly
Speaker 3: and kind of with the just absolute slickness, just built
Speaker 3: in more Superman.
Speaker 1: World and Lord felt so organic and smooth, so good.
Speaker 3: And my understanding is that's because they were basically filming
Speaker 3: them at the same time, so they were able.
Speaker 2: To use the sets.
Speaker 3: I loved seeing Sydney Happerson because I love a weird
Speaker 3: character who's been in like five issues, weird character, but
Speaker 3: he was so funny in Superman, so I was legitimately
Speaker 3: excited to see him come back.
Speaker 2: And then when they walked into.
Speaker 3: The command center, I was like, Okay, James Gunn is
Speaker 3: doing this on a different levels.
Speaker 2: No, he's cooking. He planned it, he understands the needs.
Speaker 3: There's no like weird volume or like bad green screening
Speaker 3: people back in.
Speaker 2: It feels so intertwined.
Speaker 3: And I would say, I think it's gonna you know,
Speaker 3: we got one more episode left. But currently this is
Speaker 3: just such an incredible and successful kind of proof of
Speaker 3: concept for why you let this man be in charge
Speaker 3: of this universe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, having one singular creative visionary guiding the whole ship,
Speaker 4: and not to say that, you know, not to compare
Speaker 4: it to Marvel, but we are going to compare it.
Speaker 4: You know, Kevin Feige is the overarching visionary. But again,
Speaker 4: it's when you have so many different writers and directors
Speaker 4: and people bringing their own spin to each project, it's
Speaker 4: hard to maintain this level of connectivity and quality control.
Speaker 4: And James Gunn is really, as you said, like putting
Speaker 4: on a masterclass and how to connect all these different
Speaker 4: properties and entries. It feels like we're just watching one,
Speaker 4: you know, story unfolding. Like the connections between this and
Speaker 4: Superman are just so natural and organic. And I think
Speaker 4: part of that is to the point you may do,
Speaker 4: to the fact that they were filmed at the same time.
Speaker 4: He wrote both of them, So it just feels so
Speaker 4: organic and seamless in a way where it's just, like
Speaker 4: I said, you feel like you're just watching one long story,
Speaker 4: which is I think how it should be. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I think he's he's he's cooking, he's doing a great job.
Speaker 1: What what does this show become without Chris if we
Speaker 1: assume that? And it seems like from everything we're reading
Speaker 1: and certainly by this episode, that it seems like Chris
Speaker 1: is gonna be taken off the board. He's gonna go
Speaker 1: to Bell Reeve and probably be locked in there for
Speaker 1: a while until they need him for some story thing
Speaker 1: and they get their contract stuff, and so like, what
Speaker 1: does this show become like? Who I would imagine the
Speaker 1: lineup is going to be, you know, Judo Master ad
Speaker 1: economists eagerly question Mark, Yeah, Harcourt, Yeah, Vigeon Harcourt, And
Speaker 1: so what does that show look like?
Speaker 3: I think that there is a world where they've really
Speaker 3: pushed this kind of Eleventh Street Kids.
Speaker 2: Thing, So there's definitely a space where they kind of
Speaker 2: have that.
Speaker 3: I would also love to see them do a season
Speaker 3: where they're grappling with not having Chris while also trying
Speaker 3: to work out how to break him out of August
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: Some kind of heist. But I also think that as the.
Speaker 3: World broadens, I'm glad that some of this stuff is
Speaker 3: being moved around, Like I want to see more Judo
Speaker 3: Master and ads. I want to see the fact that
Speaker 3: they obviously set up some kind of like prints.
Speaker 2: In the Pauper Bdge swap. That's like my biggest prediction
Speaker 2: for the Phinalen.
Speaker 1: Talk about it.
Speaker 4: I think so just because they were both mast the
Speaker 4: whole time. There were a lot of scenes where they
Speaker 4: were both interacting quick cuts. You're like, which one you know?
Speaker 4: Which one kicked through the door?
Speaker 1: I think that's and they did. They were definitely playing
Speaker 1: with me during the fight, Like there was that moment
Speaker 1: where a Vige gets takes several bullets into their was
Speaker 1: and you're not sure which one, and like, I think
Speaker 1: it was at a bios like a and then you're like,
Speaker 1: is it even that?
Speaker 2: What I know because think about it.
Speaker 1: But the but when they go through the portal, the
Speaker 1: Vig that I assumed to be the Vig from that
Speaker 1: universe does that little like salute and then kicks the
Speaker 1: door closed. I don't.
Speaker 3: I think Bitch loves to kill Nazis, and I think
Speaker 3: they might have been like, wouldn't it be cool to
Speaker 3: just like see each other as well? And then, especially
Speaker 3: in that lost moment, he's like, yeah, I'll stay by
Speaker 3: and kill the Nazis. You know, I haven't gone to
Speaker 3: kill this many Nazis since blah blah blah. So I
Speaker 3: think they're at least going to play into it, especially
Speaker 3: because Freddy did such a funny, good job and they
Speaker 3: were basically exactly the same character.
Speaker 2: So I guess we'll see in the finale where that goes.
Speaker 3: And I'm also interested in what the portal is going
Speaker 3: to mean for August, because first they wanted to shut
Speaker 3: it down so that it wasn't creating a rift like
Speaker 3: we saw in Superman. But it's very clear that Senia
Speaker 3: and his cyborgs lover maybe lover.
Speaker 2: Now they have an agenda and an ulterior motive.
Speaker 3: So I would love to see if the finale really
Speaker 3: explodes outwards and kind of sets up what we're going
Speaker 3: to see in Lanterns or Man of Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Basically one thing I wanted to based on the preview
Speaker 4: at the end of the episode, we see for for
Speaker 4: the finale, Argus is going to be using the portals
Speaker 4: to look for something. They're going to try to catalog
Speaker 4: and explore these ninety nine other dimensions, and so I
Speaker 4: think what's gonna end up happening is they're going to
Speaker 4: find something or unleash something that maybe they weren't expecting
Speaker 4: or they can't control, and that's maybe going to set
Speaker 4: up a conflict for one of these future titles, because
Speaker 4: I think that's that's a smart way to use this
Speaker 4: like multiverse concept in a different way than how Marvel
Speaker 4: is doing it. And I mean, yeah, I just feel
Speaker 4: like that's kind of your classical government tampering if unleasha
Speaker 4: power they can't control kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I wanted to call out. I wanted to
Speaker 1: call out a couple of people on a Blue Sky
Speaker 1: who pointed out the previous episode, Rob Federici, who pointed
Speaker 1: out that when Vig is going through Anti Antifa Vige's
Speaker 1: house and he sees his parents and he's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, my dad's not gay here. That actually his
Speaker 1: dad probably is gay.
Speaker 2: He's just he's That's that is a great that's a
Speaker 2: good catch.
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, Rosie.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I love I love that so much.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say like, how do you think that.
Speaker 2: Gun and Co and DC.
Speaker 3: Right now we have Creature Commandos, we have Superman, and
Speaker 3: we have Peacemaker and so far, and obviously we know
Speaker 3: he's bringing stuff in from the Suicide Squad, which I love.
Speaker 2: But like, so far, it's a relatively small pool.
Speaker 3: How much harder and how much do you think we're
Speaker 3: gonna see the way that James Gunn is changing this
Speaker 3: stuff when we add Supergirl to the mix next year,
Speaker 3: when we add Lantern, Suddenly there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 3: more continuity and connectivity that we need to work on. Ian,
Speaker 3: do you have any feelings, like do you think he
Speaker 3: could end up in a situation where it kind of
Speaker 3: spreads too thin? Or you think that from this you're
Speaker 3: really seeing a path for him to continue this no
Speaker 3: matter how big the world gets.
Speaker 4: I so, as of right now, I'm feeling fairly confident
Speaker 4: of how this is unfolding and where it's going. It
Speaker 4: clearly has a plan and a vision. The way each
Speaker 4: piece is kind of smoothly led into the next so far,
Speaker 4: I think feels good. But I think introducing Batman and
Speaker 4: that whole side of the universe will be very interesting
Speaker 4: to see how that gets incorporated into what is already existing,
Speaker 4: because so far everything does feel on a larger, kind
Speaker 4: of more cosmic alien scale.
Speaker 2: You know, such a good point.
Speaker 3: Actually, it's it's all very big, big, big explosives, big
Speaker 3: alien so.
Speaker 4: Like Lanterns, that feels like that will kind of slot
Speaker 4: in nicely because that's their space cops. There's already kind
Speaker 4: of that built in alien aspect to it. But when
Speaker 4: we do some maybe smaller stories or get to more
Speaker 4: intimate corners of this universe, like a story set just
Speaker 4: in Gotham or something, you know, well, clay Face, you know,
Speaker 4: which is a great point that Joelle just brought up.
Speaker 4: That's going to be what I assumes a smaller scale,
Speaker 4: more horror leaning, you know, film, Like, how does that
Speaker 4: kind of fit into the larger verse? I think that'll
Speaker 4: really be what the moment that we'll see. We'll see
Speaker 4: if he has the juice, if he can pull it off,
Speaker 4: so be very curious.
Speaker 1: Well I go, I go weirdly in a different direction
Speaker 1: in that I feel like James's got the juice, and
Speaker 1: but I'm really interested to see what happens when we
Speaker 1: start bringing in Glanterns, things that he is not directly,
Speaker 1: show running, directing, et cetera. And do we maintain that
Speaker 1: connectivity as you start necessarily delegating out these other projects
Speaker 1: to other people, Because I think right now it's I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say it's easy. He's doing incredible work.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard, but it's easier to keep everything connected
Speaker 1: when you are the person creating all this. What happens
Speaker 1: when you start bringing in other people, And so that's
Speaker 1: what I'm really fascinated to see, like do we do
Speaker 1: does it all feel as seamless as it feels, you know,
Speaker 1: right now, which is pretty seamless.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, I mean I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: so super Girl will be the first one that he
Speaker 4: did not right himself from right now sinking, so that
Speaker 4: that's what's coming up next to It'll be interesting to see,
Speaker 4: you know, what what happens with these next projects to
Speaker 4: your point, Jason, So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be interesting. I can't wait for the finale,
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