WEBVTT - Peacemaker 207: Like a Keith in the Night

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. Today's episode contains spoilish Peacemaker season two episode seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Like a Keith in the Knight. Hello, my name is

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Septune and I'm Rasey Nike and welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from my our podcast. We'll bring you

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Past news.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's episode, we will be breaking down the penultimate

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<v Speaker 3>episode of Peacemaker two oh seven season two. It's almost

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<v Speaker 3>the last episode and some crazy stuff went down and

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<v Speaker 3>we will be talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course he's back.

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<v Speaker 3>He was on vacation, but now our peace Maker correspondent

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<v Speaker 3>super producer Ian has returned for Peace Makeup two seven.

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<v Speaker 4>How I'm doing great. I also just happy to say

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<v Speaker 4>that I was right. Thank you guys for the flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>It feels scared, feel scared.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to give you the credit. We had to

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<v Speaker 2>give you the credit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, gonna be interesting to break down what this episode

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<v Speaker 3>tells us about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's dive into it. Episode seven, Like a Keith

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<v Speaker 1>in the Knight. It opens up right on the heels

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<v Speaker 1>of the previous episode Nazi Harcourt is having Chris and

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<v Speaker 1>Harcourt arrested in the office of Argus. Harcourt is like, Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that you didn't notice you've been hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out in Nazi world. And he's like, well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>like a super well read.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy, because like mine camp everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Would I be this yeah? Would I be this ripped

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<v Speaker 1>if if I was like reading books? And she's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you not notice? In a rerunnable, how did

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<v Speaker 1>you not notice this mural of Hitler? And there's smash

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<v Speaker 1>cut to a huge wall sized mural of Hitler.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh so you have the American flag with the Nazi

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<v Speaker 3>symbol on it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to be fair, Harcourt had also been through that

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<v Speaker 1>office and did not call out the Hitler mural until

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<v Speaker 1>this very moment. Let's let's just relax. But yes, hilarious

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<v Speaker 1>gag that stretches credulity. Chris tells Nazi Harcourt, listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we got to break up, and it's complicated, but

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<v Speaker 1>we got to do it. Then he and Harcourt fight everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>They take out all the Nazis and they begin their

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<v Speaker 1>escape from the office. Back at Vig's house Nazi dimension Vig,

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<v Speaker 1>who is actually anti fascists, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Important here, one of the few non Nazis. And of

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<v Speaker 3>course we love the reason. Yes, the reason he.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, uh, the nemesis of this world's Peacemaker is because

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<v Speaker 1>he's devoutly anti fascist and they're the top trio, and

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<v Speaker 1>he say he wants to take Peacemaker down anyway. He

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<v Speaker 1>explains to our Vig what's going on. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty basic, you know, Philip K. Dick type stuff. The

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis one World War two.

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<v Speaker 2>Which means this athet we were correct, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And in this in this world all wealth, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a capitalist system, yes, but it's significantly fueled by the

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<v Speaker 1>slave labor of all the non white, non straight people

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<v Speaker 1>who have been herded into camps and there they toil

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<v Speaker 1>away in horrific conditions. I'm sure Antifa Vige has been

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fightings and justice for years, as he says,

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<v Speaker 1>and then regular Vig is like, oh yeah, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the black woman. An think the vision

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<v Speaker 1>is like, we okay, we have to go get her

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<v Speaker 1>right now because she's a tremendous danger. She is being

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<v Speaker 1>chased down the street Captain Triumph. Also in that mob,

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Dragon calls him and is like, listen, whatever you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>leave that because I need you back home right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like really, but I'm in the middle. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, no, no, no, you got to come here.

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<v Speaker 1>And we see that Blue Dragon has Economists taped to

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<v Speaker 1>a chair and he has him holding a block of

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<v Speaker 1>C four in one hand and like the trigger in

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, so he has to keep a hold

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<v Speaker 1>on that grip or else you know what, He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>blow up. But also Blue Dragon's gonna blow but he's

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<v Speaker 1>in the power suit. I don't know. Yeah, I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say.

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<v Speaker 3>John Economus as a character, Steve Age, You're great, we

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<v Speaker 3>love you. We had you on the Pology.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>John Economus is a character I was always doing so

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<v Speaker 3>much TV yelling this episode like this motherfucker has never

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<v Speaker 3>been loyal in his life, Like this guy is the

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<v Speaker 3>easiest to go guy, like he is gonna just give

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<v Speaker 3>up his friends any case. And it was frustrating to

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<v Speaker 3>watch now it does he love them, yes, but he's useless.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just incapable of shutting the fuck up at any

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<v Speaker 4>given time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, does he really give them up though

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel like, well, there's been many times

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of this season that he could have

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<v Speaker 1>given them up in a significant ways, and yet he

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<v Speaker 1>works when not confronted. Behind the scenes, he is working

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<v Speaker 1>to save them and doing different things to save them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just when you put him under pressure exactly, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem. Well, I mean he's a back where he's

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<v Speaker 1>an office guy. He's not he should be in the office.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's self aware. He's admitted multiple times this season

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<v Speaker 4>he has social deficiency.

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<v Speaker 3>So I actually think it's a very interesting character, aw

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<v Speaker 3>because this whole season has been about you know, loyalty

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<v Speaker 3>and kind of finding your own place, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>is very bad for us to have a character who

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<v Speaker 3>really doesn't have that and doesn't act as you would

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<v Speaker 3>expect the kind of heroic character to act, like when

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Triumph and Blue Dragon a kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of you know, have him there with the two are

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<v Speaker 3>the characters that end up there. Like he just will

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<v Speaker 3>constantly be like, I wasn't involved, I wasn't there, Like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's he can't help it.

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<v Speaker 2>He can't even make himself look good.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, he can't Ad flees over fences, through backyards

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<v Speaker 1>and finally into his swing pool. She swims to the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the swiming pool. The Nazis are on her tail,

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<v Speaker 1>almost like like Nazis zombies from Call of Dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's very intense, and as.

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<v Speaker 1>She comes to the edge of the pool, Judo Master

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<v Speaker 1>is there, pulls her out of the pool and then

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<v Speaker 1>cooks the Nazis with a down electric cable and he

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<v Speaker 1>and Ad and then we get to enjoy the dead

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<v Speaker 1>bodies of the Nazis and the broiling ramen water for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, and then they escape. In the lobby of Argusts,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris activates his pack to get he and Hardcourt out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Heavily can cuss, I'm sure, but they managed to get

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<v Speaker 1>on the peace cycle and get away. Triumph arrives home

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<v Speaker 1>to this bizarre scene of economists taped to a chair

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<v Speaker 1>and his dad and Economists is just again blaming. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm just like a common thief. No, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Wade. I'm a guy from another dimension and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really sorry. Uh, you know, I'm from that dimension

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, Mike Chris killed your Chris and is

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<v Speaker 1>currently impersonating him, and I'm so sorry about that loose

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Dragon, but they would have figured that yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Blue Dragon tells Triumph listen, I'm sorry to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you this, but your brother is dead. I will say.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get we'll talk about this further. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that in every dimension Chris is dad basically doesn't give

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<v Speaker 1>a shit about.

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<v Speaker 3>But come on, I'm so excited to talk more about

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<v Speaker 3>that because I do think that the choices they make

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<v Speaker 3>with Blue Dragon hair, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>So pretty interesting, very very interesting. Okay, so, uh eaglely

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<v Speaker 1>walks in Economists is like, hey, go kill the Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>versions of Chris's family, and uh Dragon meanwhile is telling

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Triumph that, you know, we'll be in big trouble

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<v Speaker 1>because apparently nobody knows about this portal. If Chris happens

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<v Speaker 1>to tell Argusts or anybody about this portal, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be in big trouble. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>stop him. So Triumph realizes in that moment that wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think hardcore is also no Nazi.

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<v Speaker 1>She's wearing pants, which, by the way, again another great

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<v Speaker 1>bit of seeding by James Gunn.

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<v Speaker 3>The older women in the Nazi world, these kind of

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<v Speaker 3>flower see florally outfits.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw other Amelia like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is just such good storytelling that all

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<v Speaker 3>pays off in a really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great way.

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<v Speaker 3>And also the pants joke is so funny because they

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<v Speaker 3>just do it for too long. They both keep being

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<v Speaker 3>shocked she's wearing pants, and it kind of like it

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<v Speaker 3>keeps going almost too long.

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<v Speaker 2>But and it's it's perfect. This is a really great episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So Judo brings out a Bio to a house that

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<v Speaker 1>he's been hiding out in that he broke into. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of snacks, awesome. He is like, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to get out of here. We need to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to that portal, you know, the portal code. She doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He also explains like we're in a world where the

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<v Speaker 1>nazis one. I've been reading all these books, and he

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<v Speaker 1>and ade Bio basically smashed their beef, you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>a Bio tasered him multiple times and him having to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, go up against the eleven street kids in

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<v Speaker 1>ways in which he's usually lost. He's like, I'm willing

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<v Speaker 1>to smash all of that so we can just like

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<v Speaker 1>get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say we were right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we were right for us because we definitely

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<v Speaker 3>guess that Judo would end up saving ads and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Judo Master this is maybe his best episode,

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<v Speaker 3>and I love the characterization here and it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm so excited to see more.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that this is another thing kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>with Mantis, where James Gunn did a representation of a

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<v Speaker 3>character in the first season where a bunch of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Were like, Eh, why do you always.

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<v Speaker 3>Do your characters like this, Like why is Mantis a

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<v Speaker 3>silent strong you know, it's very tropy when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to way like Asian women are represented. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>with Judo Master, there was definitely a conversation about him

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<v Speaker 3>being like a nerve character or being like a butt

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<v Speaker 3>of the joke, and I love that James Gunn has

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<v Speaker 3>the capacity to listen to that and change it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this.

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<v Speaker 3>Episode is really a strong Judo Master episode, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very excited to see him clearly in whatever goes forward

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<v Speaker 3>being part of the eleventh Street Kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Judo then breaks out a scrabble set. Scrabble call it.

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<v Speaker 1>They call it scrabble here, but it actually makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense when you get into it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he proceeds to wipe the board with Atebaio. Peacemaker and

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<v Speaker 1>Harcourt enjoy a tender moment on the back of his

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<v Speaker 1>stolen motorcycle while the cops are in pursuit, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying the feel of each other's bodies against each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very heartwarming. Cops eventually close in on them and

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<v Speaker 1>surround them. But Blue Dragon and tryump and gun down

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<v Speaker 1>like fifteen and the number is exactly fifteen cops in

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<v Speaker 1>that moment, and and say you got to come with

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<v Speaker 1>us and Bordeaux.

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<v Speaker 3>When was the last time on TV you saw two

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<v Speaker 3>superheroes blowing up cop cause.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, it's been a while.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Wakanda Forever is probably my the lost time

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<v Speaker 3>I saw like the cops lived.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is Nazi cops though, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would say that.

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<v Speaker 3>In Black Panther two, you may be surprised if you

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<v Speaker 3>watch the scene where more first appears and you see

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<v Speaker 3>really trying to learn how to use the suit with

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<v Speaker 3>Sherry and trying to escape, you may be surprised at

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<v Speaker 3>how many cop cars get blown up and flipped over

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<v Speaker 3>on that bridge in Oakland, I remember being distinctly impressed

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<v Speaker 3>by it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think, yeah, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think that there is an esthetic and qualitative difference between

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<v Speaker 1>you blow up the you know, it's the G I.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe issue. You see the plane blow up and the

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<v Speaker 1>parachute come out, and sometimes, you know, you see the

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<v Speaker 1>plane blow up and you just imagine that the parachute. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like there are like machine gunning, like they're falling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Senior and Bordeaux pull former Luther minion Sidney Happerson out

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<v Speaker 1>of prison and he is going to be the point

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<v Speaker 1>person for find the portal. They set him up in

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<v Speaker 1>Luther's mobile headquarters from Superman, and he asks, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a very important question, just like what do I get?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I get moved? Do I get like something? And

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<v Speaker 1>Seniors like, no, I I'll just go back to Luther

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<v Speaker 1>and say that you didn't want to do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that's enough for Sydney. And Sydney like immediately finds

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<v Speaker 1>the portal, like he justs on the machines and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like right there, oh there it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's and.

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<v Speaker 1>He notes from the strength and the and the quality

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<v Speaker 1>of the signal that oh, you know, this is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>like a better design than our Lex Corp. A multidimensional portal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like our portal was always picking up weird interdimensional shiite.

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<v Speaker 1>This one seems very very yeah, this one's very stable,

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<v Speaker 1>So they send the coordinates the florry. Ada and Judo

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<v Speaker 1>and the Nazi dimension are talking about Leo Dad's wife

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<v Speaker 1>and ex wife relationship with her, and Judo makes a

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<v Speaker 1>good point that hey, maybe it's actually your fault, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're the one who changed the whole deal on the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you were supposed to open the store and

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<v Speaker 1>now you want to be like a soldier for hire,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it's it might be actually your fault. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Chris comes up and Juda masters like, I, well that

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<v Speaker 1>guy I still hate. We are good, but that guy

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<v Speaker 1>is a piece of shit, big time, Like and here's

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<v Speaker 1>all the reasons, and the reasons are absolutely valid. But

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<v Speaker 1>Ada is like, listen, he's changed, he is, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a good heart. Some of the stuff that he's turned

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<v Speaker 1>me onto actually turned out to be good. And she's

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<v Speaker 1>and he's my best friend also, so like you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to just get over it with him. I'm vouching

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<v Speaker 1>for him and give him a try. He's a good guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Judo's like why was he living in Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>world and like having a great time here, and Adam

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, again, he's a cool guy. I think

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<v Speaker 1>she said to him.

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<v Speaker 2>She said to him, like she said I said. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she said, I said he's cool, not small thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, yeah, he's fucking dumb. We get it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it night falls and it's time to escape back

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<v Speaker 1>to the mansion to get into the portal. They begin

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. Back at the house, Dragon and Triumph come

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<v Speaker 1>in with Chris and Harcourt. There's economists. Dragon is like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to know everything. I need to know why

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<v Speaker 1>you're here. I need to know how you came here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I need to know how many people you came

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<v Speaker 1>here with. Chris is like it was a total accident.

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<v Speaker 1>I was drunk. I was freaked out by how everything's

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<v Speaker 1>different but the same. I didn't mean to kill your son,

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<v Speaker 1>but like he had a gun on my head and

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<v Speaker 1>it just was instinct and it happened. Triumph is like seething,

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<v Speaker 1>He's can't you barely hold it together? And Dragon is

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<v Speaker 1>constantly having to be like chill.

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<v Speaker 3>The fuck, like, come on, calm down, Dragon surprisingly chilled out.

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<v Speaker 1>More chill of more chilled out. So he then is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why'd you come back? Why? You know, like you came

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<v Speaker 1>out here, you saw it, and then you came back

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<v Speaker 1>and tried to live here. Why And Chris is like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you know, in my world my dad

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<v Speaker 1>and my brother are dead, and my brother dying was

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<v Speaker 1>like with extremely traumatic moment, and just to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of a family it felt great. Dragon asks Harcourt, how

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<v Speaker 1>many did you come here with? But before they can

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<v Speaker 1>really get into that, there's a knock and Dragon leaves

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<v Speaker 1>Triumph alone with our friends to go inswer the door,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the cops and they're like, listen, have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen Peacemaker. No, well he's wanted in connection with the

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<v Speaker 1>machine gunning of fifteen cops recently. And Dragon's like, well, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>this might be Nazi world, but there are laws, at

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<v Speaker 1>least for the white men.

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<v Speaker 4>So get off.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to come in here, Get off my fucking lawn

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<v Speaker 1>and come back with with a warrant. Judo an ad

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<v Speaker 1>are watching, like all these cops milling around and the like,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you gonna get through these guys? But then

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<v Speaker 1>the Viges show up Hey, the Viges and Judo Master

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<v Speaker 1>immediately begin beefing. Once again. Ad has to calm them

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<v Speaker 1>down and be like, listen, he's helping me. He's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we do about these cops? Okay, let's kill

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<v Speaker 1>all the cops. Inside, Dragon is questioning everybody about the Alts.

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<v Speaker 1>When the all the Alts show up, they have to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to their world and never come back. He

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<v Speaker 1>makes that very clear, don't you even never come back?

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't really care that his son got killed, which

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<v Speaker 1>Triumph is very very upset about, and clearly that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be an ongoing issue. And again this is where

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<v Speaker 1>it really hit home for me that like, wow, it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually crazy that perhaps that in this world too, and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps in many worlds, Chris's dad just does not give

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<v Speaker 1>a shit, like in a meaningful way, he likes him enough, even.

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<v Speaker 3>In a world where seemingly because there's a really I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's a very interesting moment that they they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of slide in here where earlier on they're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>how he had actually met the Dragon from the main DCU,

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<v Speaker 3>like Prime DCU, and how he'd felt like he was

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<v Speaker 3>really cruel and evil, and so I think that the

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<v Speaker 3>notion here is Yeah, no matter what version of Blue

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<v Speaker 3>Dragon it is, he always hates Chris because whatever version

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<v Speaker 3>of Chris it is isn't the right Chris, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like such a depressing thing to think. It's

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<v Speaker 3>basically like what if the Scarlet which storyline from the

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<v Speaker 3>MCU was inverted and it was like, what if your

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<v Speaker 3>parents hated you in every universe instead of your mom

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<v Speaker 3>trying to find you in every universe. Also, let me

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<v Speaker 3>ask you guys this here we get the moment where

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<v Speaker 3>Blue Dragon says, don't call me a Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>The Nazi.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just talk about it. Let me yeah, let

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<v Speaker 1>me just describe the scenes. So they're like, well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Nazi world and you're a Nazi and stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, ah, don't call me that. I hate what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on here. I'll let you know back, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it, and he and he pushes back pretty strongly

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<v Speaker 1>on the idea that he is a supporter of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I agree with you. I think, like, listen, are

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<v Speaker 1>there people just like in our world? Are there people

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<v Speaker 1>who like disagree who live in countries that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to always make a distinction between the government,

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<v Speaker 1>political the yeah, the political system of a place and

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<v Speaker 1>the people that said he is part of the top

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<v Speaker 1>trio in the world. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It is interesting though, because he says in response to that,

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<v Speaker 4>he's like, well, I don't know about in your perfect world,

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<v Speaker 4>but like here, you know, do you like stop every

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<v Speaker 4>single injustice in your world? That's like, okay, that's a

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<v Speaker 4>fair point, Like there is no perfect conversation the world

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<v Speaker 4>run by not He's a pretty big one, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's an important I do think it's an

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<v Speaker 1>important conversation because he brings up some good points and

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point. You know, if you're gonna make these big,

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<v Speaker 1>sweeping statements that are on their face probably true, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to reckon with the fact that some people

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna get dropped into a bucket that maybe don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe Blunger and that's it to look at the and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what, you know, it seems like the

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<v Speaker 1>what we've seen of the top Trio is they're fighting Kaijus.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not like on concentration camp duty, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, actually, you make a good point because there's a

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<v Speaker 3>moment where when he's explaining that he's chasing off the

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<v Speaker 3>ads because he thought one of them got out. That's

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<v Speaker 3>Captain Triumph who said that his dad is like, what

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck is wrong with you? Like, we don't do that,

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<v Speaker 3>That's like not our job. So they obviously feel like

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<v Speaker 3>that separation is keeping them. And we also get a

0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.879
<v Speaker 3>moment here where Blue Dragon talks about how clearly like

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<v Speaker 3>the cops are corrupted. He doesn't mind lying about the cops.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not gonna hand him over. It's an unexpectedly complex.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we're meant to wonder if if having

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<v Speaker 1>power in this world, but kind of like not doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything about the stuff that you see is wrong, is

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<v Speaker 1>does that make you a Nazier? Not? I personally, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of feel like, listen, you're the top team, you're

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<v Speaker 1>the top trio. Your son was chasing a black woman

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<v Speaker 1>down the street because he thought one of them got out. Exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even have influence with him, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like walking around and enjoying the fruits of the

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<v Speaker 1>system without ever actually challenging. And I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of feels like it's Nazist hit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Regina Jackson quote where it's like, if there's

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<v Speaker 3>a Nazi at the table and ten other people are

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there talking to him.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a table with eleven Nazis, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like, if you're upholding a Nazi situate society

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<v Speaker 3>with your actions rather than being part of the Sons

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<v Speaker 3>of Liberty or being part of you know, Vigi's like

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<v Speaker 3>actively anti fascist situation, then yeah, I think it would

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<v Speaker 3>be fair to say they're Nazis or at least up

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<v Speaker 3>holding the Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they work in a building with Hitler painted

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<v Speaker 2>on the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Well the only Chris, but Captain Triumph and Blue Dragon

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<v Speaker 1>were easy.

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<v Speaker 2>They were allowed to just like go in there, so

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<v Speaker 2>August like knows of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, yes, listen, it's complex. I'm I come

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<v Speaker 1>down on the side of you know, Nazi enough for me,

0:22:53.200 --> 0:23:02.000
<v Speaker 1>one drop. So we get this really interesting and complex

0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.560
<v Speaker 1>conversation in which we find out that Blue Dragon actually

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<v Speaker 1>is really and we don't have I would also stress

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<v Speaker 1>that we didn't have time to go through Okay, like

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 1>what about this belief? Okay, what about this one? Okay,

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 1>what about this guy? I think there's probably significant overlap

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:27.160
<v Speaker 1>despite Blue Dragons objections. That said, Chris the eaglely comes

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<v Speaker 1>in and there's a big fight, and the cops are

0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>also there, so there's this huge like melee. The cops

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 1>are getting killed, Eaglely is pecking people and everybody's all

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 1>our heroes are trying to escape through the big portal.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you know, all this gets too far out of

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 1>hand and Chris is like being led there by Harcart.

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<v Speaker 1>He's almost there when Captain Triumph bursts through the wall

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<v Speaker 1>and starts like beating the shit out of him. All

0:23:55.200 --> 0:24:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Chris's friends grab him eagerly is like shreading, yeah, people

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:05.919
<v Speaker 1>like stabbing yea the like in the like.

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<v Speaker 4>Right as he's wrapping up this like I'm not a

0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:10.480
<v Speaker 4>Nazi speech, he just Fitch jumps through the window and

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 4>stabs him in the neck, like like oh ship yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Chris has this epiphany of the violence of his

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.360
<v Speaker 1>upbringing and he's seen his brother die in his dimension.

0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Now he's seeing his brother, though a Nazi, die in

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:33.680
<v Speaker 1>this dimension and he's like stop it, just stop. Let's

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:39.399
<v Speaker 1>just leave leave him alone, all this violence like it's

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm the common denominator, and he just like breaks down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very it's a it's a heartbreaking moment. They

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<v Speaker 1>all escape out of the portal Altvig stays there because

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:55.160
<v Speaker 1>he wants to fight the Nazis. Harcourt is like, give

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 1>me your gun so I can execute Captain Triumph because

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna come for revenge. That's going to be bad.

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And but before she can do that, she's interrupted by

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 1>like the continuing cop fight, and they go back close

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 1>up the portal. Just as Argus is arriving outside of

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Vig's mom's house, Chris folds up the portal, goes out front,

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 1>hands the portal over to Senior and is like, Okay,

0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.439
<v Speaker 1>they made me give it to you, so they are

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>the heroes here. They've done nothing wrong. I'm under arrest

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and I'll see you later. H Judo Master of course,

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<v Speaker 1>stands with Argus and they take Chris in and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and judging by the things that some of the interviews

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I've seen, I think we might end this this season

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>probably will end with Chris in jail.

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 3>Yah.

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I think. So also as well, we do.

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 3>We did have that really interesting conversation with James Gunn

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 3>recently in the press why he was saying that the

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 3>story is going to continue, but it's not necessarily going

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 3>to be peace Maker season three. So I think that's

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 3>really interesting and adds to that, we also do get

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.679
<v Speaker 3>a final moment of Captain Triumph being pulled into the

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 3>ambulance and saved, and it's clear that whatever happens next

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 3>in the kind of DCU James Gunn Superman Verse, Captain

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Triumph will be returning to hunt Down because really, Chris

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 3>did come in then just like kill his whole family.

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I get why he's upset. You know, it's

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.159
<v Speaker 1>hard to care that much. Yeah, don't be an understanding.

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I do understand why he's upset. Yeah, Okay, let's talk

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:35.679
<v Speaker 1>about this episode because I think, oh, let's go to

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a quick break and then we right back and we'll

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:57.399
<v Speaker 1>talk about this episode. And we're back wild and super

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:01.200
<v Speaker 1>fun and really like heartfelt episode. So I think they did.

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.679
<v Speaker 1>I think they did great work in remaining loyal to

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>like the central kind of friction with Chris, which is

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>his struggle to be less of an asshole.

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 4>And she's a desire for acceptance.

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and his questioning of why bad stuff seems to

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>follow him, you know, violence et cetera seems to follow

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>him everywhere, and you know that moment where He's like, no, no,

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>don't kill Captain Triumph, you know, like, don't stop. This

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought was really effective and really earned. Just certainly

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 1>you want to see this guy get killed.

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, Ian, how, how do you feel

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 3>like the payoff was up? Seeing as you were the

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 3>one who clocked this, Like, do you feel like this

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 3>episode lived up to the theories, to the fan kind

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 3>of recognition of the fact that this was going to

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 3>be a white supremacist wild like.

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a hard thing to pull. Do you feel like

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 2>this episode pulled it off?

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 4>I do. I think it did. I think James Gunn

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 4>did a great job of, you know, threading all the

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 4>little callbacks in little hints and making it all come

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 4>together cohesively. And one thing that I really loved about

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:17.440
<v Speaker 4>it was our Court and Judah Master immediately both calling

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 4>it out like how could Chris not notice all this stuff?

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 4>Which I thought was really hilarious, but also like out

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 4>of Bio's explanation or justification. I thought, on the face

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 4>of it, like it, I get it, it's sweet, it

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 4>makes sense, but like also it's like is that enough?

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 4>Like is that good enough? Like oh yeah, yeah, He's like,

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 4>once you get past the cheesy stuff. He's actually a

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 4>really sweet guy. He's changed, you know, he's just kind

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 4>of dumb, and like even Judah Master was like yeah,

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 4>but like he still how could he have like not

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 4>noticed and like chosen to live here? And she was like, yeah,

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 4>that's a good point. And then they kind of just leave.

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>It there and they don't really dig deeper. So it's like,

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>I will say that, while I love the Hitler mural joke,

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>it did threaten to kind of blow up that part

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of that this like interior reality, the fiction of because it,

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>while a hilarious gag, it is the one thing where

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you're like, how did you I feel like if you

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>walk into a room with a huge picture of Hitler's

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>going to be yeah, and and and again there's also

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>the fact that Harcourt Real Hardcourt didn't see it, never

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>mentioned it before that moment, so it feels like a weird,

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>unrealistic moment that plays. But it's also like it's a

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>joke that you I wonder if they talked about not

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 1>including it, because it does kind of threaten to blow

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole premise of he's a good guy, just dumb.

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he doesn't, he just doesn't notice stuff. You know,

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.239
<v Speaker 1>I agree that at a Bio's. I kind of liked

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that conversation because it's like, you know, you can't expect

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>people to be errordite all the time, so much of

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>life just kind of boils down to Yeah, but I

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>like that guy. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>mm hmmm, Like despite all the he's good to me,

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>he's nice when you get to know him.

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So another thing I was really impressed with this

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 3>episode was the way that they so easily and smartly

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 3>and kind of with the just absolute slickness, just built

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 3>in more Superman.

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>World and Lord felt so organic and smooth, so good.

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 3>And my understanding is that's because they were basically filming

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 3>them at the same time, so they were able.

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 2>To use the sets.

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 3>I loved seeing Sydney Happerson because I love a weird

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 3>character who's been in like five issues, weird character, but

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 3>he was so funny in Superman, so I was legitimately

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 3>excited to see him come back.

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 2>And then when they walked into.

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 3>The command center, I was like, Okay, James Gunn is

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>doing this on a different levels.

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>No, he's cooking. He planned it, he understands the needs.

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 3>There's no like weird volume or like bad green screening

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 3>people back in.

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 2>It feels so intertwined.

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 3>And I would say, I think it's gonna you know,

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 3>we got one more episode left. But currently this is

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 3>just such an incredible and successful kind of proof of

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 3>concept for why you let this man be in charge

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 3>of this universe.

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, having one singular creative visionary guiding the whole ship,

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 4>and not to say that, you know, not to compare

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 4>it to Marvel, but we are going to compare it.

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 4>You know, Kevin Feige is the overarching visionary. But again,

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 4>it's when you have so many different writers and directors

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 4>and people bringing their own spin to each project, it's

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 4>hard to maintain this level of connectivity and quality control.

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 4>And James Gunn is really, as you said, like putting

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 4>on a masterclass and how to connect all these different

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 4>properties and entries. It feels like we're just watching one,

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, story unfolding. Like the connections between this and

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 4>Superman are just so natural and organic. And I think

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 4>part of that is to the point you may do,

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 4>to the fact that they were filmed at the same time.

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 4>He wrote both of them, So it just feels so

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 4>organic and seamless in a way where it's just, like

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 4>I said, you feel like you're just watching one long story,

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 4>which is I think how it should be. So yeah,

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 4>I think he's he's he's cooking, he's doing a great job.

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>What what does this show become without Chris if we

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 1>assume that? And it seems like from everything we're reading

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and certainly by this episode, that it seems like Chris

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be taken off the board. He's gonna go

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>to Bell Reeve and probably be locked in there for

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>a while until they need him for some story thing

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 1>and they get their contract stuff, and so like, what

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>does this show become like? Who I would imagine the

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>lineup is going to be, you know, Judo Master ad

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>economists eagerly question Mark, Yeah, Harcourt, Yeah, Vigeon Harcourt, And

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>so what does that show look like?

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that there is a world where they've really

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 3>pushed this kind of Eleventh Street Kids.

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Thing, So there's definitely a space where they kind of

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>have that.

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I would also love to see them do a season

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 3>where they're grappling with not having Chris while also trying

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 3>to work out how to break him out of August

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 3>or something.

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Some kind of heist. But I also think that as the.

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 3>World broadens, I'm glad that some of this stuff is

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 3>being moved around, Like I want to see more Judo

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Master and ads. I want to see the fact that

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 3>they obviously set up some kind of like prints.

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>In the Pauper Bdge swap. That's like my biggest prediction

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 2>for the Phinalen.

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Talk about it.

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 4>I think so just because they were both mast the

0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 4>whole time. There were a lot of scenes where they

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 4>were both interacting quick cuts. You're like, which one you know?

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 4>Which one kicked through the door?

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that's and they did. They were definitely playing

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.240
<v Speaker 1>with me during the fight, Like there was that moment

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:16.399
<v Speaker 1>where a Vige gets takes several bullets into their was

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>and you're not sure which one, and like, I think

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it was at a bios like a and then you're like,

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>is it even that?

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>What I know because think about it.

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>But the but when they go through the portal, the

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Vig that I assumed to be the Vig from that

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 1>universe does that little like salute and then kicks the

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 1>door closed. I don't.

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.919
<v Speaker 3>I think Bitch loves to kill Nazis, and I think

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 3>they might have been like, wouldn't it be cool to

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 3>just like see each other as well? And then, especially

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 3>in that lost moment, he's like, yeah, I'll stay by

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 3>and kill the Nazis. You know, I haven't gone to

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 3>kill this many Nazis since blah blah blah. So I

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 3>think they're at least going to play into it, especially

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 3>because Freddy did such a funny, good job and they

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 3>were basically exactly the same character.

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>So I guess we'll see in the finale where that goes.

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 3>And I'm also interested in what the portal is going

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 3>to mean for August, because first they wanted to shut

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 3>it down so that it wasn't creating a rift like

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 3>we saw in Superman. But it's very clear that Senia

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 3>and his cyborgs lover maybe lover.

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Now they have an agenda and an ulterior motive.

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.320
<v Speaker 3>So I would love to see if the finale really

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 3>explodes outwards and kind of sets up what we're going

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:45.800
<v Speaker 3>to see in Lanterns or Man of Tomorrow.

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I think so.

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:47.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 4>Basically one thing I wanted to based on the preview

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 4>at the end of the episode, we see for for

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 4>the finale, Argus is going to be using the portals

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 4>to look for something. They're going to try to catalog

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 4>and explore these ninety nine other dimensions, and so I

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 4>think what's gonna end up happening is they're going to

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:07.240
<v Speaker 4>find something or unleash something that maybe they weren't expecting

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 4>or they can't control, and that's maybe going to set

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 4>up a conflict for one of these future titles, because

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 4>I think that's that's a smart way to use this

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 4>like multiverse concept in a different way than how Marvel

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 4>is doing it. And I mean, yeah, I just feel

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 4>like that's kind of your classical government tampering if unleasha

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 4>power they can't control kind of thing.

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, I wanted to call out. I wanted to

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>call out a couple of people on a Blue Sky

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:39.720
<v Speaker 1>who pointed out the previous episode, Rob Federici, who pointed

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>out that when Vig is going through Anti Antifa Vige's

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:47.359
<v Speaker 1>house and he sees his parents and he's like, oh

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>my god, my dad's not gay here. That actually his

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 1>dad probably is gay.

0:36:51.920 --> 0:37:00.040
<v Speaker 2>He's just he's That's that is a great that's a

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 2>good catch.

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, go ahead, Rosie.

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, I love I love that so much.

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna say like, how do you think that.

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Gun and Co and DC.

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Right now we have Creature Commandos, we have Superman, and

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 3>we have Peacemaker and so far, and obviously we know

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 3>he's bringing stuff in from the Suicide Squad, which I love.

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 2>But like, so far, it's a relatively small pool.

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 3>How much harder and how much do you think we're

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 3>gonna see the way that James Gunn is changing this

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 3>stuff when we add Supergirl to the mix next year,

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 3>when we add Lantern, Suddenly there's gonna be a lot

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.879
<v Speaker 3>more continuity and connectivity that we need to work on. Ian,

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 3>do you have any feelings, like do you think he

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 3>could end up in a situation where it kind of

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 3>spreads too thin? Or you think that from this you're

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 3>really seeing a path for him to continue this no

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:56.280
<v Speaker 3>matter how big the world gets.

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 4>I so, as of right now, I'm feeling fairly confident

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 4>of how this is unfolding and where it's going. It

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 4>clearly has a plan and a vision. The way each

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.919
<v Speaker 4>piece is kind of smoothly led into the next so far,

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<v Speaker 4>I think feels good. But I think introducing Batman and

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<v Speaker 4>that whole side of the universe will be very interesting

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<v Speaker 4>to see how that gets incorporated into what is already existing,

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<v Speaker 4>because so far everything does feel on a larger, kind

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<v Speaker 4>of more cosmic alien scale.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, such a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, it's it's all very big, big, big explosives, big

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<v Speaker 3>alien so.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Lanterns, that feels like that will kind of slot

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<v Speaker 4>in nicely because that's their space cops. There's already kind

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<v Speaker 4>of that built in alien aspect to it. But when

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<v Speaker 4>we do some maybe smaller stories or get to more

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<v Speaker 4>intimate corners of this universe, like a story set just

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<v Speaker 4>in Gotham or something, you know, well, clay Face, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a great point that Joelle just brought up.

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<v Speaker 4>That's going to be what I assumes a smaller scale,

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<v Speaker 4>more horror leaning, you know, film, Like, how does that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of fit into the larger verse? I think that'll

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<v Speaker 4>really be what the moment that we'll see. We'll see

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<v Speaker 4>if he has the juice, if he can pull it off,

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<v Speaker 4>so be very curious.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I go, I go weirdly in a different direction

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<v Speaker 1>in that I feel like James's got the juice, and

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm really interested to see what happens when we

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<v Speaker 1>start bringing in Glanterns, things that he is not directly,

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<v Speaker 1>show running, directing, et cetera. And do we maintain that

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<v Speaker 1>connectivity as you start necessarily delegating out these other projects

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<v Speaker 1>to other people, Because I think right now it's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to say it's easy. He's doing incredible work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's hard, but it's easier to keep everything connected

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<v Speaker 1>when you are the person creating all this. What happens

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<v Speaker 1>when you start bringing in other people, And so that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm really fascinated to see, like do we do

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<v Speaker 1>does it all feel as seamless as it feels, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>right now, which is pretty seamless.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, I mean I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so super Girl will be the first one that he

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<v Speaker 4>did not right himself from right now sinking, so that

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<v Speaker 4>that's what's coming up next to It'll be interesting to see,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, what what happens with these next projects to

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<v Speaker 4>your point, Jason, So yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's gonna be interesting. I can't wait for the finale,

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<v Speaker 1>Free Chris. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're

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<v Speaker 1>diving into the depths of serial killers on TV. That's

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