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Speaker 2: I am your host, Brandon Anderson here with the ringers

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Speaker 2: Anthony Defondo. We're gonna talk a little summer NFL. It's June,

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Speaker 2: a little NFL. If you haven't listened yet, go back

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Speaker 2: and listen to the AFC episode. Here's what we're doing today.

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Speaker 2: We are hitting We're calling the early playoff picture look ahead.

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Speaker 2: Since the playoffs move to fourteen teams on average, we

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Speaker 2: NFC to figure out which teams stay, which teams go.

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Speaker 2: Dabundo and I will each have our own picks. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily have to be even if you listen to the

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Speaker 2: to that one. We'll go through and talk about last

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Speaker 2: with who has left. And this this is early, no

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Speaker 2: little bit. I've been on all sorts of NBA as

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Speaker 2: the playoffs wrapped up just last night as we are

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Speaker 2: recording on Monday, Dabunda, You've been on like every other

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Speaker 2: No where this summer? Is there is there a four

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Speaker 3: put some bets in. Yeah, uh, Game seven under took

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Speaker 3: But yeah, next Monday, we got Wimbledon coming up, Club

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Speaker 2: INDEEDA Well, so what we were doing today is we're

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Speaker 2: just Kyle McCord and Tanner McKee. That's it. That's it

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Speaker 2: We know historically the nfcast champion almost never repeats.

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Speaker 3: And so I think part of it is because I

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Speaker 3: Because now we're ever, a lot of people are gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I frankly like that. You basically ranted off

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457
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458
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Speaker 1: The Los Angeles Rams.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, McVeigh is doing some things that are are different,

460
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: and he kind of originated this, this like we're not

461
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,160
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462
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 3: he was one of the first guys that was like,

463
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 3: f it, we don't need it. And it does seem

464
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 3: to show up though, because they started three and six

465
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three and they started one in four

466
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four.

467
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: They have not been a good.

468
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: Team the first third of the season, right, and really,

469
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 3: you know, even in the Super Bowl year, Like, this

470
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 3: team has not been necessarily a fast starter, So what.

471
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: Are they prioritizing.

472
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: Are they understanding that you don't need to be great

473
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,800
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474
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: And then the other part of this is they made

475
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: the conscious decision to not care if they were the

476
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: three or the four seed and say, hey, like we

477
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: can uh go and rest our players against Seattle and

478
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 3: come out like we're shot out of a cannon in

479
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: the first round of the playoffs against Minnesota and destroy

480
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 3: a fourteen winning Minnesota team. So there's the McVeigh trust,

481
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 3: there's the Stafford trust. There's also the idea that, like,

482
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: what if Puka Nakua is able to just go back

483
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 3: into becoming a slot guy again because Adams is there

484
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: now and Nikua in the slot kind of going into

485
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: the mold of a cup when he was O POI,

486
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: that is a potential.

487
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: Huge Did he win Opoi? I know he broke the record,

488
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: but he was but he was, he was in the mix.

489
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 3: And I think about that offense And then also one

490
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: of the youngest defense in the NFL taking a huge

491
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: step forward in the second half of last season and

492
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: kind of building off of that, Like, you could tell

493
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: me that they're the third best team or even second

494
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: or even best team in the NFC, and I would

495
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 3: completely be willing to agree with you.

496
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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, by the way, I just checked he did

497
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: an Opoi Cooper cap dead. Yeah, I wonder do you

498
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: think I mentioned like the Tramver thing. Do you think

499
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: people are thinking of the Rams as the third team

500
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: in the NFC. That's what I was trying to decide.

501
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: No, definitely not.

502
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: Okay, they're not.

503
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: Are they even they're not the favorite to win their

504
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: own division.

505
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty close that books. That's what I

506
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: decided that I wasn't quite there the Rams for me?

507
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: Are you know? The exercise here is pick eight teams

508
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: out of the four team to stay in the playoffs

509
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: and six to go. I got the Rams in. They're

510
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: my eighth team, Like, this is my least confident to

511
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 2: stay team in the NFL. I think this will not

512
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: surprise you in particular, Dubundo, because you know how I

513
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: have been we'll call it tepid on Matt Stafford over

514
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: the years.

515
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: Teppit is putting it nicely.

516
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: Peppit is putting it quite nicely. I have come out

517
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: and I've made an mv pee bet for the season,

518
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: and it is Matt Stafford, and it is partly it is

519
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: partly it was largely as all is because of the odds.

520
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: I got it at a fifty to one. I just

521
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: pulled up the odds on our Action Network page. He's

522
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: pretty consensus thirty five to one now, so already the

523
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: odds have come back towards where they should trend. There's

524
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: a forty to one out there. I still think there's

525
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 2: really no reason Stafford should be any longer than like

526
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: the the twenty to ONEI ish guys hurts Herbert love

527
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: to me in that range. I still I don't trust

528
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: the Rams floor. I don't know if I trust the

529
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: offensive line. But we saw a lot of the offensive

530
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: line injuries last year. Already, Stafford's play has been very

531
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: heavily linked to offensive line play over the years. So

532
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: maybe the line should be better than it was last

533
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: year because it should be healthier in theory. However, Jackson's

534
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: already injured right now. That's been a story in the

535
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: last week or two in the offseason. Havevenstein is looking

536
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: not totally healthy With that an offseason surgery. So that's

537
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: the tackles already, Like, I don't love that coming into

538
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: the season. And when the Rams are healthy, this offense

539
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: is top five, top three, maybe number one, like we

540
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: saw what they did the Bills last year one of

541
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: the games of the season. When everything is healthy, this

542
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: team is scary, including Matt Stafford. I just don't know

543
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: if I trust how often will they be healthy? How

544
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: often will they be at their peak? Do I trust

545
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: the defense that still doesn't have a ton of talent,

546
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: Like it's young, it's improving to me? The Rams? Why

547
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: I bet Stafford MVP. I don't think I want or

548
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: need any any Rams median outcomes. I don't want part

549
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: in if things are kind of okay and the problem is,

550
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: the most likely outcome is to get some healthy games,

551
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: some injured games. They look great, they look terrible, they

552
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: cann't come out toward the middle. That's probably the most likely.

553
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 2: So that's the median outcome. I think the Rams ceiling

554
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: outcome I can absolutely buy in. That's where the Stafford

555
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: MVP ticket comes in. In an open NFC, fifty to

556
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: one was an insane number. I still think thirty five

557
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: to one is a bad number and worth betting if

558
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 2: you have not bet it yet because at peak, I

559
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: agree Cop, if he's a Cup stays healthy Cup and

560
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: sorry not Cup, Cup is gone. Pooka and Cup missed

561
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: eleven games last year between the two of them. So

562
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: if you get a healthy version of Pooka plus Devanta Adams,

563
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 2: so I think it's still great this offense with a

564
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: healthy line, with healthy receivers, with a very good run

565
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: game and Sean McVay. The run game always is what

566
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: actually sets the tempo, and we saw that last year

567
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: when the line was hurt. Kyrien Williams was pretty average.

568
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: When it wasn't he was just like one of the

569
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: best anytime touchdown bets week after week after week, just

570
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: like always finding the end zone in this offense, always

571
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: doing its thing. So I don't trust this team. I'll

572
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: even say this if you're listening at home and you're

573
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: like placing what are the odds on? Brandon changes his

574
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: mind and has the Rams out to the playoffs by

575
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: the time the season starts, like you should. If you

576
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: can get Brandon picks the Rams to miss the playoffs,

577
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: that plus money, I like your chances. I feel like

578
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good bet. I don't know if I

579
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: feel confident here, but they're my last in for now.

580
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 3: It's a very competitive division, but it's also a division

581
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: that gets to feast on the South.

582
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: That's true, right, It's like, do you play.

583
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: The NFC South in this case for the NFC West?

584
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: He answers yes this year. So while the North and

585
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: the East are beating each other up in those divisions

586
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: and those you know, potentially I would say you could

587
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: argue seven competitive teams in those eight in the North

588
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: and the East the.

589
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: West, Like I would you draft if you were.

590
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: To draft the South and the West teams in the NFC,

591
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: the last three picks would all be South teams.

592
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, Maybe maybe the last four. Maybe the last four.

593
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could say you could argue for a last four.

594
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: I think you'd get. I think you'd have two teams

595
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: at the top, three teams at the bottom, and then

596
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: we'd argue about the ones in the middle. You know. Yeah,

597
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go into the division here because I'm gonna

598
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: stay in that division. I thought, until all the offseason moves,

599
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: I thought Seattle would be my replacing the Rams pick

600
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: because I was ready to just come back to the

601
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: Island again and then they yeah, they're not sure what

602
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: they are. They're trading Gino Smith or they're trading DK Metcalfs.

603
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm not doing Seattle here. I'm gonna go with the

604
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: other division team that's kind of an obvious pick, the

605
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: easiest worst of first division pick that there will be

606
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: out there. Give me the forty nine ers, and to me,

607
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: give me the forty nine ers as a very confident

608
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: playoff team, and forty nine ers as for me a

609
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: team that's in that NFC traun to me, it's Eagles, Niners, Packers,

610
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: and I'm not even sure Eagles are the top team

611
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: in that traumra. Necessarily you had Packers first. I could

612
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: be talked into the Niners being at the top of

613
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: the list potentially as far as just like I really

614
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: believe in what this team is at its core as

615
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: a franchise. I've written I think Kyle Shanahan is maybe

616
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: the NFC version of Patrick mahomes in. For the last

617
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: five seasons, at least twelve wins for Kyle Shanahan, all

618
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: four of those at least two playoff wins, at least

619
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game. Even last year when the bottom fell out.

620
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: They finished top five and yardage differential, which YARDI differential

621
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: doesn't win your games, I understand, but it gives you

622
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: a pretty good core to start from. This team got

623
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: absolutely obliterated by injuries. Tren Williams misses seven games. McCaffrey

624
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: basically just didn't play for the season. I miss his

625
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: ten games, Purty Kittle, Deebo missed multiple games. Deebo's gone. Now.

626
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: I don't feel like that's a huge loss in the

627
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: big scheme of things from what they are. I'm a

628
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: little concerned, I'll admit about the McCaffrey off season stuff.

629
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe maybe old McCaffrey just isn't in

630
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: there anymore. But between those six dudes, that's thirty six

631
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: missed games from your sixth most important offensive players. Shanahan

632
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: is an offensive god that just turns out incredible offense.

633
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: They still finished fourth in yardage, fourth and net yardage,

634
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: seventh in yards per carry, top ten in DVOA, even

635
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: with all the guys on the team that are important

636
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: still not being healthy and there. And what I like

637
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: about the team especially is get we talked about the

638
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: coaching brain drain. We've seen that from San fran over

639
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: the years. This year, I think we get the opposite.

640
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: Good little Bobby Salas back. He's ready to bring the

641
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: defense back to what it was. Even with the Jets

642
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: last year when he was there, their defense was really good.

643
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: It really fell off after he left. He's been top

644
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: five in yards allowed five of six years as the

645
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: leader of the defense. To me, this is look at

646
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Vic Fangio Steve Spagnolo failed as head coaches,

647
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: brilliant defensive coordinators. When they failed out and had to

648
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: come back to a different role. This is that to me,

649
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: we get Greenlaw hopefully back. We should get more Nick Bosa,

650
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: more Tuarious Ward. Injured last year. I kind of like

651
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: the Bryce Huff pick up. You know, you go to

652
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: San Francisco, you want to be the defensive lineman and

653
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: going to San Francisco and kind of get your stock

654
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: back up again. To me, this profiles as this year's Eagles.

655
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: You got the injury collapse. We all think they're terrible.

656
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: You got McCaffrey as Barkley hopefully, if that's still in there,

657
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: I think it's as good as any NFC team. And

658
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: I think that the Niners are still very underrated. They

659
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 2: were my first bat I made for the new season.

660
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: They're my Super Bowl bat for next season right now.

661
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the one difference is that the Niners

662
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: just were just older than that Philly team was that

663
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: collapsed two years ago.

664
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: So there is a lot more turnover.

665
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: But if they hit the draft picks right then we're

666
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: having a different conversation, and I think there could be

667
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: a period where.

668
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: The Diners maybe start slow.

669
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: But going from Steve Looks to Sorensen to Sala, I

670
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: told you we don't know much about coordinators. I'm pretty

671
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: confident in that one being a major upgrade and Robert

672
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: Sala leading this defense back to you know, above average levels,

673
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: especially against the run.

674
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: That was the thing that was crazy.

675
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: They couldn't stop the run anymore the last two years,

676
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: and they were getting gash on the ground. They ran

677
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: so bad. I mean, you can go back to the

678
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: first half of last season. Every game they lost was

679
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: like dramatic close or like a bunch of random things happened,

680
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: like the Arizona late collapse, the Rams late collapse. They

681
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: had a ten point lead, they gave up a last

682
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: second touchdown to Seattle and then Perdy got hurt, and

683
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: then that was it, like they were five and five.

684
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: Party was hurt. They got smoked in Green Bay, they

685
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: got smoked in Buffalo in that snow game when Perdy

686
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: came back, but he wasn't healthy. And then at that

687
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: point the season was kind of over. But like you know, Piercell,

688
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: he gets a normal offseason, This could be a breakout

689
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: for him. You know, they lose Deebo, but Diebo wasn't

690
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: given them anything, so I don't think they actually lost

691
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: all that much from losing Debo. They got nothing from McCaffrey,

692
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: like you said, and I think the defense will take

693
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: a step forward. Plus, the easiest schedule in the National

694
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: Football League belongs to your Niners. They get the NFC South,

695
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 3: they get the fourth place schedule, so they get the Giants.

696
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: They get to play Cleveland. It's really funny schedule looking

697
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: at it. They also get to play the AFC South,

698
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: so again this NFC West getting to play both souths,

699
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: plus the Niners get the Giants.

700
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a very favorable schedule if you just

701
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: want a.

702
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: Real real sicko futures angle to store away here. All

703
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: that we can see pretty m v P well, that's

704
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: what I was gonna say. It makes me think, Okay,

705
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: what's the MVP pick? Like, if you're going to be

706
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: a possible one seed, what's the pick. It's not prety,

707
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: we already saw that. It's now mccaffreey, we're not doing

708
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: a our quarterback. Here's the sick O pick. You get

709
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: that new Protector of the Year award, Trent Williams bounce

710
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: back Protector of the year, give me, give me Protector

711
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: of the Year futures odds for just like like the

712
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: last year would have been Pinney sewell like that that

713
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: would have been the pick. The Lions are the one seed.

714
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: They must have really good blocking. Let's give it to

715
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: their best blocker. Everybody knows Trent Williams name. Well, we'll

716
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: I'll probably have a whole future on that.

717
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: No for that, Yeah, okay, I was gonna say, I

718
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: forgot that was a new award.

719
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: I know. That's why it's the sick of that. Okay,

720
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: So a quick reset and then we got to pick

721
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: up the pace here, Lions out both of US, Eagles

722
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: Rams Packers are in niners in for US. Yeah, okay,

723
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: so Eagles, Packers, Rams niners in we're we're in agreement

724
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: on everything. So far. We got lines out, we got

725
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: four teams in. Give me another team to make the

726
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: Honesty playoffs.

727
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: Arizona ooh spicy, let's hear it.

728
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: So year three of the John Gannon defense, this is

729
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: by far the most talent they have.

730
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Right he comes in.

731
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: Year one, they're a disaster and like on paper, talent

732
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: looked bad.

733
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: It was bad.

734
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: There was zero pass rush. But year two and it

735
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: started to take a step forward, and it was the tackling.

736
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: And I think that was the first thing everybody was like, wait, like,

737
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 3: Arizona's not that not that talented, but they tackle well,

738
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: they cover well. They still can't get to the passers,

739
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 3: so they're not a good defense, but they're an okay defense.

740
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: This year, I think finally you might have something on

741
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: the defensive side where they can be an above average

742
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 3: NFL defense. And if you go back to Gannon's tenure

743
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: in Philly, it was when he finally had a pass

744
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: rush that could get to the quarterback. They were able

745
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: to really be a sound, solid, respected defense until the

746
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: Super Bowl went Mahomes towards them. But I go back

747
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: to this offense has done a better job of generating

748
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: run explosives, of generating consistent running game. Then pretty much

749
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 3: everybody not named Detroit in Philly and Baltimore, like, they're

750
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: probably like right after them, and so that gives them

751
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: something to build off of consistently in the offensive game.

752
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: And then really, I think the Arizona season hinges upon

753
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: the generational potential of the receiver that they drafted last

754
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 3: year who did not have have a great season, who

755
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 3: did not really click yet with Murray, I feel like

756
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: we're all gonna forget about how good Marv is and

757
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: in year two he's gonna break out.

758
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: And if they have like a.

759
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: Most Improved Award, like, he would be probably the guy

760
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: to be like the front runner in my eyes for

761
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: that potential award, because all the reports out of OTAs

762
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: are really impressive for him.

763
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: The route running is apparently sharper.

764
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: All of these things kind of lead me down the

765
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: path of Arizona getting in as a wildcard next year,

766
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 3: maybe even winning the division, but probably getting in as

767
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: a wildcard and making it to the playoffs again. The

768
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: schedule just keep coming back to it. You can't overstate

769
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: it enough.

770
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like Arizona. I do not have the

771
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: Cardinals in there my first one out, and they are

772
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: as much as anything the reason why maybe you bet

773
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: on Brandon picking the Rams to miss the playoffs by

774
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: the time we come around, because I love the whole division.

775
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: Like I still kind of like Seattle too. I like

776
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: my McDonald defense. I like Clint Kubiak running the offense there.

777
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: He was like the next big thing for two games

778
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: with the Saints last year and then everybody got hurt.

779
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: I like the Cardinals. I like a lot of what's

780
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: happening here. I like the coaching staff bringing in Jacoby

781
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: Brissett just to back up Kyler. I like that raise

782
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: the floor for probably a couple of missed games there.

783
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: I don't really really trust the defense still yet. I

784
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: know they kind of finished league average defensively, but I

785
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: don't know why. Maybe that's just coaching in system. They

786
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: added some floor raising talent there. I don't know. I

787
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: like the team. I would like to pick them. I

788
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: just kind of ran out of spots in the NFC,

789
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: and maybe you know, in the AFC we talked about

790
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: a division where I kind of just had to pick

791
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: a spot just to do it. Maybe I should have

792
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: gone your method here. And done for more turnover in

793
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: the NFC. Maybe find a spot for the Cardinals here,

794
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: maybe in place of the Rams or something like that. Yeah,

795
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: I think he made a pretty good case. The defensive

796
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: front seven in particular added a lot there. I think

797
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: that has to be the case. I don't quite believe

798
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: in the defense enough, so for me, that's why I

799
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: can't quite get there. But football is tough, you know,

800
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: Like this certainly should be a team that is in

801
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: the mix all the way. It's tough because we have

802
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: the Rams in and the Niners in. We both like

803
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, I like the Seahawks. Do you like the

804
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: Seahawks this year to at least be like respectable?

805
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I think.

806
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: It's kind of scary what's going with Donold's walking into here.

807
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

808
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: And like I like Kubiak too, certainly more than Grub

809
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: But it's not an offensive head coach.

810
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: It's not.

811
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: The receiving options are not really anything to write home

812
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: about here, Like Injia, Jigba is a good possession underneath receiver,

813
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: but there's no vertical threat in the group. Really, the

814
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: offensive line should be better because it can't be worse.

815
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 3: But I don't know how much better it's going to be.

816
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: It's been a problem for years and Seattle and so

817
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: I look around and I kind of think, you know,

818
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: maybe Seattle realized, like Gino wasn't going to be the guy.

819
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: But I don't think they think that Donald's the guy.

820
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: That contract was written in a way that they can

821
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 3: get out of it after one year if it doesn't

822
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: go well and like basically just cut him loose and

823
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: like nobody they could just move on. They take Milrow

824
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: in with a relatively high pick, like all of a sudden,

825
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: like if Donald starts bad, like are we going to

826
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: see Milrow running like some kind of like option based

827
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: underneath offense with JSN and because like he's not an

828
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: NFL passer yet. So I think there's all kinds of

829
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: different ways Seattle season can go. I agree with you.

830
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: The defense is talented, They're going to be well coached.

831
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: I happen to like Mike McDonald a lot too. But

832
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: this offense to me, all of the four in that division,

833
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: Like how are they not clearly fourth going into the season?

834
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: And then it's like, okay, am I going to pick

835
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: a fourth place team to make the playoffs?

836
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean they could again.

837
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: I keep coming back to, like, if they if the

838
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: sounds are just bad again, which they've been for imperpect

839
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: for the most of this decade, then yeah, maybe, like

840
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 3: they just win six of the eight games against the South,

841
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: go five hundred and the other games and then they're

842
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: a ten win, you know, wildcard team. But yeah, ooh,

843
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: it feels dicey for the Seahawks to do that.

844
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's a tough ask. I'm gonna leave both

845
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: of those teams out of my playoffs. I'm gonna go

846
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: to the NFC North because that's the other division that

847
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: I like pretty much all the teams, and we didn't

848
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: hate the Lions. I'm gonna pick the Chalky favorite pick.

849
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: Everybody's picking them. The Bears just could not better fit

850
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: my formula of what a breakout team is because to me,

851
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: the biggest edges I have on the future is coming

852
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: to the season, is coaching improvement and offensive line improvement. Okay,

853
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 2: so what do you do? You bring in Ben Johnson

854
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: and you bring in Dennis Allen to run the defense.

855
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: I have to like what you're doing there. We don't

856
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: know what Ben Johnson is as a head coach. But

857
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: we know how he's gonna call games. Well, it's a

858
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: huge improvement from iber Flus, Thomas Brown, Shane Walderan Thomas Brown, Chrispy.

859
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: Whatever is happening over there wasn't last year they start

860
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: for and two they get a disaster Washington, Hail Mary

861
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: and just never recover after that. Now we have your two,

862
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. I talked about the lines. You totally invest

863
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: in your into your offensive line through Dominette, center, Jonah Jackson,

864
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: Joe Toney at guard. Love that that's been what has

865
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: driven the Rams over the last couple of years, and

866
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: so I think Ben Johnson kind of mirroring that a

867
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: little bits. And frankly the Lions obviously, so just investing

868
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 2: the line, Grady Jarrett and the defensive line Shamar Turner

869
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: in the draft as well, lots of weapons. To me,

870
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: a definite worst to first candidate because we don't like

871
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: the lines necessarily to do it. But we do love

872
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: the Packers and we'll see about the fourth team of

873
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: division as well. I like everything about what the Bears

874
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: are doing. I think finally the offseason thing is real.

875
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: It's just a tough division. But I'm going to pick

876
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: them to make the playoffs. I think they mayned up

877
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: a little bit overhyped and not even necessarily a lot

878
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: of betting value. But I'll put the Barris in. You

879
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: mentioned them as a sleep rush team last a little

880
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: bit earlier. Do you have the Berries in the playoffs?

881
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: I do not. I have the Bears out still just out.

882
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: I thought about it for a while, first time head coach,

883
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: second year leave quarterback from a guy who has a

884
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: ton of pedigree, I get all the cases for it.

885
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I did re.

886
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: One of the first things I did when I had

887
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: some downtime with starting NFL prep was to rewatch some

888
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: of the Caleb Williams stuff because I was like, all right,

889
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: do I think this is the system?

890
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Do I think this is him? I don't know.

891
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of bad habits in the pocket.

892
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of miss throws. I'm still not

893
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 3: there yet with Caleb. I get why. If you're Ben Johnson,

894
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: You're like, I can fix this guy. I can make

895
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 3: him better, and maybe they'll make me look stupid. But

896
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: there is a lot of turnover on the offensive line too,

897
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: so as much as they might be improved, it might

898
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: take a while.

899
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: To get there.

900
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: And I think that that might cost them in a

901
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: really really competitive NFC wildcard race with like a lot

902
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: of pretty good to not great teams. So I had

903
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: the Bears just out. Also because I know and trust

904
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: the two coaches slash coordinators slash Kevin O'Connell and Brian

905
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: Flores so much with Minnesota that I'm going to have

906
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: the Vikings back in the playoffs.

907
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so with pseudo rookie.

908
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: Right, I'm getting the bas sting will here that we're

909
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: moving toward a wrap up mode. So give me the

910
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: lightning round case on why the Vikings are back in.

911
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: So at first when we did this exercise, I was

912
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: thinking like, oh, Vikings, new team in the playoffs. Then

913
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: I forgot right, they won fourteen games. Are we just

914
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: overlooking this? I mean, they still have two excellent receivers

915
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: including who something is the best receiver in the game.

916
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 3: The offensive line should be better. The questions were in

917
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: the interior. They had some injury issues that derailed them

918
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: toward the end of last season on the offensive line

919
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 3: Darnold turning back into a pumpkin, but they addressed that

920
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: issue and then Brian Flores, the ultimate defensive ceiling raiser,

921
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: who turned a terrible defense into one of the better

922
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: defenses in the league, and just I would take him

923
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: probably over every DC in the NFL. And so that

924
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: element of coaching makes it an excellent system because when

925
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy's in doubt, he can just throw the ball

926
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: up to Justin Jefferson and they're gonna win those one

927
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 3: on ones so often that I trust Minnesota way more

928
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: than I do Chicago because of the proven commodities of

929
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: the coaching and because of the talent of the receivers

930
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: on the outside and the coaching of the defense. So

931
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: I went with Minnesota as my second wildcard team. I

932
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: think they edge out Detroit. Maybe maybe they'll have like

933
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: a late season clash in minnesota'll get revenge for last

934
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: year's debacle in Detroit.

935
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll go with the Vikings to sneak it.

936
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got the Vikings in as well. If I'm

937
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: being totally honest, I would pick them slightly ahead of

938
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: the Bears. But you know, more fun content picking the

939
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: home team Chicago Here for me in Chicago Land, letting

940
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: you make the case for my Vikings. I think the

941
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: floor is very high, and if I like what the

942
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: Bears did I should like with the Vikings did into

943
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: your offensive line investment, bringing over the Coltskys, getting Jonathan

944
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: Allen Javon Hargrave on defense. I'm just taking some swings

945
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: on the line to an already high floor roster. So

946
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: I also have the Vikings in. I believe I have

947
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: one spot left. We have not gotten to NFC's South

948
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: Division here. I kind of just have the Bucks by default. Man,

949
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't have anything exciting to say about the Bucks.

950
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: I just couldn't quite get there. Wait, do I have

951
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: the Bucks by default? Yes? No, No, I don't. I

952
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: don't have the Bucks by default. I'm out. I'm out

953
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: of the Bucks. Panthers Island Baby were back Panthers Island

954
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: Bryce Young one more time. He came around the end

955
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: of the season. Look, I need to talk myself into

956
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: a little bit. I like that they added a lot

957
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: to the team. They can't even be a worse to

958
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: first pick this year because the Saints are technically worse

959
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: at the tiebreak. I feel like Panthers are in the hunt.

960
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: Maybe just because I want to fade the Bucks. I

961
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what that division. Maybe that's

962
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: where I need to move some things around for now,

963
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: Panthers Island just because a little archipelago. Maybe where are

964
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 2: you at with NFC South before we get out of here?

965
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not falling forward again.

966
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't see how this defense can be any good.

967
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: They're not talented at all on the defensive side of

968
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: the ball, and that is going to hurt when they're

969
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: running up against all these NFC West teams.

970
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Atlanta. Okay, we've had, you know,

971
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: Tampa win this division.

972
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: They've dominated this division, so not always with a great record,

973
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: but like, let's be honest, like Atlanta wins that division

974
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 3: last year. If Penix plays all season, right, do we agree?

975
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: Hut? Probably? They certainly should, right.

976
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: And now Penix is the guy.

977
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 3: Like all of the questions you have about the Falcons

978
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: as an organization are valid, Like why are they burning

979
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: future draft capital to draft more pass rushers right now?

980
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: Why are they.

981
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: Drafting Michael Pennock after signing Kirk Cousins to one hundred

982
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: million dollar deal. Why are they drafting Michael Pennock in

983
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: the top ten when he's an older quarterback with an

984
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: injury history. All of those things make me medium to

985
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: long term concerned about the future of the Atlanta Falcons.

986
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 3: When I look at the current roster, I see a

987
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: very talented running back, a very talented receiver in London,

988
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: I see a quarterback that has a very live arm

989
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: who can do a lot of good things. We saw

990
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: that toward the end of the season against granted, some

991
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: bad defenses, but Washington and Carolina in the final two

992
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 3: weeks of the season. So that's encouraging to me. And

993
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 3: I see a defense that.

994
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: Did add a pass rush.

995
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: We all know what the problem for the Falcons has

996
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: been since I've talked about football in my life, and

997
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: it's been that they have no pass rushers really since

998
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl year. So like Atlanta did add young

999
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: pass rushers, and so that gives them some more upside defensively,

1000
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: it's still the major question here.

1001
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: None of these teams are particularly great.

1002
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: But you know, Tampa, it's just like, how long can

1003
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: they keep playing roulette with different quarterback coaches and on

1004
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,479
Speaker 3: offensive coordinators and they bringing a new guy to replace Coen.

1005
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: Is the guy going to be any good? We'll see, but.

1006
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: Tampa still has pretty high offensive floor because of Mike

1007
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 3: Evans and Baker. But I'm going to go with Atlanta

1008
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: to pip them for the spot in the division.

1009
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe eight to nine.

1010
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: Right right, that's the problem. I'm lukewarm on the Falcons,

1011
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: but lukewarm might get you there. In the NFC South,

1012
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm already a little bit regretting the Panthers pick. But

1013
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, for the content, Panthers Island went down hard

1014
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: last year, so so it goes all right to wrap

1015
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: up the NFC Here, the the one seed Lions are out,

1016
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: The Eagles stay, The Bucks are gone for both of us,

1017
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: replaced by you, by the Falcons, by me for now,

1018
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: by the Panthers. The Rams and Vikings stay, the Packers stay.

1019
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: We didn't get to mention the commanders. Sorry, it's the commander.

1020
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: There's the one team. We didn't mention. We're both out there.

1021
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: We got we got to wrap so a lot of

1022
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: top commanders another time. But the commanders are out by default. Here.

1023
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: You've got Niner. We both have Niners in. You've got

1024
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: Cards and Falcons as two new playoff teams. I've got

1025
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: Bears and Panthers, And boy am I already getting the

1026
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: Panthers pick. Du bundo. We know fallow you at the

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