1 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Valentine's Day edition of the old Take 2 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: My Name is Mike Keith, joined by Amy Wells. Hello Mike, 3 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Happy Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day to you. Would you 4 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: like a piece of haronous grassou cake? Do we have 5 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: some of that? That sounds great? That sounds like a 6 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: big cake. The newest Titan. I was just trying to 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: find a way to work it in. That was a 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: weird one, but I'll yeah, I love saying his name 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titan. I loved saying his name when he came 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: out of Oregon, which is not how you say it. 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: There's a lot of you do not say Oregon. It's Oregon. 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: It's just Oregon. Yes, they do not like it when 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: you say Oregon. Although do you put a next an 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: emphasis on the e in Oregon? I guess I say 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: it like internal say yeah, But you say Oregon Oregon, Yes, 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: there's an ee. Have I been doing it wrong? Yes, 17 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: you're saying organ Yeah, like yes, you're wrong. Well if 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: that's it. But you're not saying haronus grassou. No I 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: can say harronas grosso. Oh no I haronus grosso. I 20 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: can say that Horonus Grassou is the newest Titan. He 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: is a center, which is overpronounced to center um as 22 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: a talented guy. He was Marcus Mariota's center, and he 23 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: is being brought in to fight for a job among 24 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: the Titan offensive lineman. Is he being brought in to 25 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: fight for a starting job? Who knows, but I think 26 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: he's being brought in to fight for one of eight 27 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: or nine offensive line positions. Was a draft pick of Chicago. 28 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: It's also been with Baltimore and Miami. I like the 29 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: fact that the Titans are getting him early so he 30 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: will be ready to start the offseason program on April 31 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: to fifteen. I read about him a little bit. I 32 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: was doing some research and I saw that he studied 33 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: under now Hall of Fame or future Hall of Famer 34 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Mwai, which is so interesting and really took a 35 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: special interest in everything that Kevin Mwai had to teach him. 36 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: They spent time after practices working on different technique things. 37 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: He sat next to him in every team meeting, in 38 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: every position group meeting. He really wanted to soak up 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: what a future Hall of Famer had to teach him, 40 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: which I think is so cool, and people are just 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: excited about the connection between him and Marcus. You know, 42 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: I think that that's a neat history there, and obviously 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: a quarterback center connection is a little bit different than 44 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: some of the other on a football field. So it's 45 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: gonna be fun to watch. Yea, many are reading deeply 46 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: into it. Oh, Mariota and Sue back together again. Well 47 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: they are, but that's not why the Titans did it. No, 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: the Titans did it because they want this guy to 49 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: compete for a roster spot to potentially give them and 50 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: maybe more, who knows. But he's here to battle, and 51 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: he gets here in February. Actually not technically here in 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: terms of able to work out, because again the players 53 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: don't return for the offseason program until April to fifteenth, 54 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: right right, But still another piece of the puzzle, yes, 55 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: another piece of the puzzle. Otherwise, not a lot of 56 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: news out of Titan Land. It's been a little quiet, 57 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: little quiet. Todd Downing is here, the new tight end coach. 58 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: I just met him. Oh yeah, very nice guy. Oh well, 59 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: that's good news when they're nice. Former offensive coordinator with 60 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: the Raiders comes to the Titans from Minnesota, where he 61 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: has been the tight end coach and so a good 62 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: addition there, Jim Wyatt wrote a story about him and 63 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Rudolph, who had glowing things to say about him. 64 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: So I'm really looking forward to very good story. As 65 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, another great Jim White story too, 66 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: recounting that today Valentine's Day would have been the forty 67 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: sixth birthday of Titans favorite Steve McNair. It sure would have. 68 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: Mike Keith, how many times do you get asked on 69 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 1: a daily basis to recount Steve McNair stories. I've already 70 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: been asked about it. Today. I spoke to a class 71 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: at Lipscomb University, a couple of classes, actually, they brought 72 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: a couple of classes together and had a chance to 73 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: visit with them, and was asked to name my favorite 74 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Titans players, and of course, Steve McNair's right at the 75 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: top of the list. I talk about Steve McNair two 76 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: or three times a week. Yeah, that's a lot. Yes, 77 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: what stories do you tell? Do you tell more on 78 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: the field stories, big games, big moments, or kind of 79 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: locker room off the field, behind the scenes stories him 80 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: torturing me. Yeah, I want to hear those stories. The 81 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: best story about him torturing me. Was that's what the 82 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: people want to hear, do they really? Yes? I think so. 83 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: So I went to sleep on an airplane. In the 84 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: early days when McNair played, all of the staff was 85 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: on the very back of the play Jeff Fisher had 86 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: the staff on the very back, and then the uh 87 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: the coaches sat in the front, then the players, and 88 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: then the rest of the staff. And so Steve McNair 89 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: would come back through the plane because inevitably with his 90 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: back he liked to stand up for periods of time 91 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: when he wasn't in a card game, which he was 92 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: often winning. Right, So great card player. The card games 93 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: were amazing, really, Nancy think Penn, Kevin Dyson, Eddie, George 94 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: samari Roll, Steve McNair, I mean the card game. I 95 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: mean it was impressive. And sometimes the card games would 96 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: continue at the hotel, so they just keep your cards 97 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: and let's go, which it was unreal. Wow, the card 98 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: games were amazing just to walk and to watch the 99 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean there were a couple of bucks that might 100 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: have been passed back and forth too, So mcnara would 101 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: walk back through the plane. So I was sitting on 102 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: the back of the plane on one particular trip, and 103 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: I can sleep on a plane. Some people can't. I can. Actually, 104 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: I can go to sleep about anyone. So I went 105 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: to sleep, and I had gone to sleep with my 106 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: mouth open. Interesting, interesting choice in public. Yeah, it wasn't 107 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: really wasn't a choice. Certainly was not a good decision 108 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: because Steve McNair came walking back through the plane and 109 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: noticed me asleep with my mouth open, and he took 110 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: a popsicle stick. And they used to give us popsicles 111 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: or different ice cream on the plane before everybody got 112 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: real healthy. It was fantastic. So there was a and 113 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm guessing grossly enough a used popsicle stick, I would assume, 114 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: and he basically stuck in the back of my mouth 115 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 1: while I was asleep. Of course, at that point I choke. 116 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: I wake up choking because somebody has basically gagged me. 117 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: And what your first reaction is you jump up, And 118 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to jump up and be tremendously angry, of course, 119 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: until I realized that the person to whom, or the 120 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: person who has done this is Steve McNair. And so 121 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: at that point everyone is laughing hysterically. I am not 122 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: with it at that point because I was asleep and 123 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: Steve McNair is cackling and there's certainly no way I'm 124 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: going to challenge Steve McNair. I'm no idiot, right And 125 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: he just thought that was the funniest thing ever. And 126 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: he constantly teased me about the fact that he nearly 127 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: choked me with a But see, he did that kind 128 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: of stuff to everybody. He was that guy. I mean, 129 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: you've heard the story about Walter Payton pension people. Yes, yes, 130 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Steve McNair was that same kind of guy. He was 131 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: the guy who messed with everybody. And the thing that 132 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: I'll say is he didn't mess with you if he 133 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: didn't like you. Right now, he was a grumpy kind 134 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: of guy. When you asked Steve to do something, or 135 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: you talked to Steve about various things, he was the 136 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: ultimate Oscar of the grouch. I mean, he was just 137 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: But he did that to you because that's just who 138 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: he was. Then after he retired, he was completely different. 139 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I said and had a conversation with him one day. 140 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: It's one of the best talks I've ever had with 141 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: a former player. We were talking about kids, and I mean, 142 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: there were so many things Steve wanted to do after 143 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: he finished playing. He was so comfortable with his retirement. 144 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: It was over. He couldn't play anymore. He knew it. 145 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: He didn't miss it. He was like, yep, I think 146 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: he missed the guys. I think he missed the card 147 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: games and the jokes and and the competition. But he 148 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: didn't miss the pain. He didn't. I mean, it was good. 149 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean that's what was so sad about us losing him. 150 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: And of course the story is horrific, yes, but just 151 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: take that out and just go to the fact that 152 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: we lost him. Um, that's what makes me the saddest 153 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: is I think there are lots of other things that 154 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: he wanted to experience, um, with life, and he'd be 155 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: so proud of his kids right now and what they're doing. 156 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: And um, it's hard. I mean, it's just it's hard 157 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: to think of him as forty six years old. I'll 158 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: always think of him as the guy who was playing 159 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: the jokes and in the card game and he was 160 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: one of the boys. I mean, he was always very 161 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: much one of the guys. You know. I don't know, 162 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: maybe I've gone too far, but everybody's got me. Everybody's 163 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: got some Steve McNair's story like that. I don't know 164 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: if they had the popsicle stick, no, but everybody's got 165 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: a story of Steve messing with either them, oh yeah, 166 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: or someone else, and they were privy to it and 167 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: it was hilarious. Eddie George has sat in this studio 168 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: at Saint Thomas Sports Park and his He could go 169 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: for three hours on stories about Steve messing with people. 170 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: And Eddie was always around and seems like he was 171 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: always kind of in that mix. But Eddie was not 172 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: the same jokester that Steve was. It was like Eddie 173 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: was the one who was always busy getting extra treatment 174 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: or taking some sort of training, or getting a massage 175 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: or Eddie was this serious, by the book kind of guy, 176 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: and Steve was just this, I mean, this loose and 177 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: and Eddie would tell you this too. Steve McNair is 178 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: the best athlete I've ever been around. Yeah, I mean, 179 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm talking about anything. He showed up for Coach Fisher's 180 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: softball game and nearly hit one out of Greer Stadium 181 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: and I was asking him, I said, oh, do you 182 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: do you play softball? He goes, oh, yeah, yeah. I said, so, 183 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: when's the last time he played, he go five years ago, 184 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: and he would show up in the offseason training program 185 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: and he would never get there on time. You know, 186 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: they if it started in March, he was not going 187 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: to be there in March. Is this is before the 188 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: mandatories and all of that. And Steve would come in 189 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: and he was never in phenomenal shape in terms of 190 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: his weight or anything. Now he'd been doing stuff on 191 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: the farm. He was strong as an ox, right. I 192 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: mean now at the end of his career he got 193 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: in some good shape. He started doing all kinds of 194 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: things with bands and and well because it put less 195 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: pressure on his shoulders and his knees. And I mean 196 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: he had gotten himself. He had worked himself into some 197 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: really good shape. In the early years, not so much 198 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: he was country strong. He was country strong now. So 199 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: they'd be so Steve Waterson, the strength coach, would make 200 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: up some game, some game where you threw a ball 201 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: in a bucket and it required you to run around 202 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: it and it was cardiovascular and competitive. But it was 203 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that was great about Watterson is 204 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: he was innovative in ways, you know, trying to make 205 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: them work on cutting and doing different things in fun 206 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: ways rather than just drills. So Steve would watch this 207 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: and he'd go okay, and when he figured out how 208 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: the game was played, he was the best one within seconds. Wow, 209 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean, phenomena. I still contend. I've said it multiple times. 210 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: Steve mcna could have played in the NFL as a 211 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: tight end. I think he could have played in the 212 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: NFL as a safety. I think he could have played 213 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: in the NFL maybe as a running back. I mean, 214 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: this is a guy who maybe as a linebacker. Who 215 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: knows he was so good and I mean just the 216 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: he missed a lot of games, he was hurt a lot. 217 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: People forget that now because he's not with us, and 218 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: that part of it is, it's not part of the legend, No, 219 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: because the actual details don't make the story quite as good. 220 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: Right for those of us who were there for all 221 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: of it, we know, you know there were he missed time, 222 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: and he did have a lot of injuries. But man, 223 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: was he a competitor. Did guys follow him? Just a special, 224 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: special individual? Absolutely good stories. My favorite game is the 225 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: is the game in Houston where he completed the fourth 226 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: and ten to Drew Bennett to beat him in two 227 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: thousand and three. It's it's the game where he clinched 228 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: the MVP that day with just a magnificent moment. And 229 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they're just so many playoff games. Forty six 230 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: years old he would have been today. We still miss him, yep, 231 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: absolutely still missing But what fun stories. Fun stories, fun stories, 232 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: no doubt. Okay, some other things going on in the league. 233 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco traded to Denver nievable, meaning we're gonna see 234 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco again this year because we go to Denver 235 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Ye you were with Joe Flacco for 236 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: a season that you spent as an intern with Baltimore. 237 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: Give us insight on Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco is a 238 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: very nice person, but a very quiet person. He's one 239 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: of the most serious quarterbacks I've ever been around. If 240 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: that makes a popsicle stick, he would not stick a 241 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: popsicle stick in your throat, And really, I don't know 242 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: if he would think that was super funny either. I mean, 243 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: very nice guy, very easy to go along with. He's 244 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: got ice in his veins. Nothing shakes that guy. But 245 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: he's just kind of rolling along, you know. His personality 246 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: is very even. Keel, do you have a lot of 247 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: dealings with him. Enough, as the lowly intern, it was 248 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: my job to greet people first thing in the morning, 249 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: as soon as they walked in the building at like 250 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: six thirty seven o'clock in the morning. I stood they 251 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: had to get through me to get to breakfast, and 252 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: I had to tell them everything they had to do 253 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: that day. Every single player on that team hated my face. 254 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: They hated me because I'm walking up to them. Hey, 255 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: good morning, you don't want to be here. Let me 256 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: tell you all the stuff that the public relations department 257 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: is asking you to do today. So that was when 258 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: I had my most dealings with Joe Flacco, was first 259 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: thing in the morning, when he would roll his eyes 260 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: at me. So people don't like mornings. They don't like 261 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: being told what to do first thing in the morning. 262 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: So I get that. But yeah, I spent a lot 263 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: of time kind of getting him from point A to 264 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: point B and making sure that things were facilitated the 265 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: way they needed to be for his various media things. 266 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he was the quarterback at the time, and 267 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: he had led the team. I guess he was there 268 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: in year seven or eight when I was there. He 269 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: had been there for a while what year were you there. 270 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I was there in twenty eleven, so that was your four. 271 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: That was your four two eight. He was a rookie. 272 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm losing all track of time. Yes. Well, yeah, 273 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: so in year four he had led the team to 274 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: numerous playoff appearances. He was They were very excited about 275 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco was the man. He was a 276 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP the next year, so he was really 277 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: in his sweet spot with the Ravens. But he wasn't 278 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: super interested in the media stuff. Wasn't really super interested 279 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: in doing interviews things like that. He's just a really 280 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: even keel guy who never gets too high or too low. 281 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: Do you sense he's much different after eleven years. No, 282 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: I really really don't get that sense at all. It 283 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: appears to me, and I have friends still who have 284 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: worked a lot with him. Joe Flacco is the same 285 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco as he's always been. Nothing's really changed him. 286 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: He's got a couple more kids now, but other than that, 287 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: he's the same guy. But I think that that stability 288 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: is something that's really good for a locker room. You know, 289 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: we've kind of got that here with Marcus Mariota. Never 290 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: really see him get super high or super low. You know, 291 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: Marcus just stays pretty even keel. Joe Flacco is very 292 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: similar in that regard. How do you sense Joe Flacco 293 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: is going to do in a new environment in his 294 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: mid thirties. I think it's going to be really interesting. 295 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: But I think it's going to be good for him 296 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: to get that fresh start. I think it's very easy 297 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: for things to get a little rote when you've been 298 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: with an organization for so long. And yes, the Ravens 299 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: have had a lot of turnover in terms of offensive 300 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: coordinators and things like that, but the system hasn't changed 301 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: that much, and I think that it's time for him 302 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: to kind of get a breath of fresh air. He's 303 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: dealt with a lot of injuries, he's dealt with a 304 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: lot of changes in some regards, and the same head coach. 305 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: But he's had the same head coach forever and with that, 306 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: there's so many things that I think it's easy to 307 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: kind of get comfortable comfortable in, and so I think 308 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: it's going to be good for him. I don't know 309 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: how much longer he's going to play, I mean, who knows, 310 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: but I think having a chance to restart, a chance 311 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: to get excited again, and a chance to I mean, frankly, 312 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: he's kind of got something to prove right now. I 313 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: mean he's I mean his last four years. Yeah, exactly. 314 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: So I think he's going in with a little bit 315 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: of a chip on his shoulder showing that he can 316 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: still do this. And I'm excited for him. I'm excited 317 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: for that opportunity for him. It would feel like Denver 318 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: would be a good place for him. Yeah, we kept 319 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: hearing maybe Jacksonville, maybe Miami, and then Denver boom fourth 320 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: round pick. They make the the agreement, they can't officially 321 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: make the trade for another month right then to the 322 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: league year starts, right. But I like that. I don't 323 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: hate the aggressive move that Denver's making. I like things 324 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: like that. Let's go out, we need a guy, let's 325 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: get a guy boom done. You know what else, speaking 326 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: of aggressive, how about Antonio Brown? Speaking of aggressive? So, 327 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown comes out on Twitter and says, bye, thank you, Pittsburgh. 328 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: It's been great, Pittsburgh. It's been so great. Thank you 329 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: so much. Good night everybody. Huh pleasure And and somebody 330 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter had to point out by the way. They 331 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: haven't traded him, he hasn't been cut. He's still under 332 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: contract for three more years. But he's just saying I 333 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: am done. Apparently the Steelers organization isn't getting the hit. 334 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna wratch this up right now. But as 335 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: an NFL player, he has no controller. Oh, he has 336 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: no control over him. I mean, he's a seven time 337 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: pro bowler. He's caught eight hundred and thirty seven passes 338 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: for over eleven thousand yards at seventy four touchdowns. His 339 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: cap number this year, if he doesn't get a two 340 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 1: point five million dollar bonus, which he is due on 341 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: day five of the two thousand nineteen fiscal year, which 342 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: is Saint Patrick's day, his cap number is twenty one 343 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: point one million dollars. That's his number. That I mean, 344 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: that's his dead number. Holy smokes, no hit, that's wrong. 345 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: His dead number is twenty two point one six million. Now, 346 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: if he gets the bonus, it goes up another two 347 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: and a half million dollars. So in essence to play 348 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: for the Steelers or to not play for the Steelers, 349 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: he's going to cost them more against the cap if 350 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't play for them. Then if he does then 351 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: if he does buy about a million and a half dollars, 352 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: if he does, he have to do anything to receive 353 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: that bonus just being on the roster. Roster bonus. Wow. 354 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: So I mean, there you go. He doesn't have to report, 355 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to do anything at this point. So 356 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you're the Steelers and there are 357 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: all these folks who are assuming that, oh, well, he's 358 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: not happy, so they're going to trade him, I don't 359 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: necessarily buy that. If you're the Steelers, it seems to 360 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: me that you're in a tough spot. On one hand, 361 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: you have the financial aspect of it, where this guy 362 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: is a expensive He's expensive if he stays, he's more 363 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: expensive if he goes well, and he is salary. Just 364 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: to take that, not to interrupt him, twelve point six 365 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: two five million salary, two point five million dollar bonus, 366 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: So in cash he's roughly fifteen point one this year. 367 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. 368 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: On the other hand, second, bind Roethlisberger. But on the 369 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: other hand, you've got an entire locker room to think about, right, 370 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: and there has already been some speculation you and I 371 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: don't know we're not there. We're not a part of 372 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: that organization. But it seems to me that some things 373 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: are starting to fall apart. For the Pittsburgh Steeler feels 374 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: like it feels as though the foundation is crumbling a 375 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: little bit. So do you take the risk of keeping 376 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: someone who it would appear is not super happy there 377 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: and keep them there potentially against their will, but paying 378 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: them for the sake of saving some money. Or but 379 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: you're not against the cap, You're not saving money, right, 380 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: Or do you just take the hit let him go? 381 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: But then what kind of message are you sending to 382 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: other people? All Right, I got it, I got another one. 383 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: I got another one. The pragmatic end of it is 384 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger is not getting any younger. No, he is not. 385 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: He threatens to retire seemingly every offseason. Levion Bell's not 386 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: coming back. Nope. I mean that seems like a long 387 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: shot their defense. I mean, but if they're gonna win, 388 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: they're winning with Ben, They're winning with Juju Smith Schuster, 389 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: They're winning with James Conner. I mean, they're probably winning 390 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: with offense. Do you say, Antonio Brown, get over it. 391 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: You're on the football team. You're playing we're gonna pay 392 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: you the two and a half million dollars on the roster, 393 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: and then you're going to get the thirteen million dollars 394 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: in salary. Now, if you choose not to report, then 395 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: you're potentially sitting out a year and you're not Levian 396 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: Bell early in your career. You're thirty one years old 397 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: at the start of training camp in year ten. Right, 398 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: do you want to give up this year? Now? My 399 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: point is, if the Steelers are going anywhere in twenty nineteen, 400 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: do they think the only way we can go somewhere 401 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: is if we get Antonio Brown out of here, or 402 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: the only way we're going somewhere is if he's on 403 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: this team. And cap wise, he's on the team regardless, right, 404 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: because his number is the same whether he's here or not. 405 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's taking up over ten percent of your 406 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: salary cap whether he's on the roster or not. Is 407 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: there not some sort of clause in a contract to 408 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: protect an organization in the event that something like this 409 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: happens to say, listen, we are saying contractually for your services, 410 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 1: which is playing football, we will give you this much money. 411 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: If you choose to not do that for whatever reason, 412 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: we should no longer be on the hook for this money. 413 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: Why is that not? If he didn't report, they don't 414 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: pay him the salary? Well, I get that, but I mean, 415 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: is there not something that protects their cap a little bit? 416 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: Is that a silly question? I mean, if they don't 417 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: have to pay the salary, if that's the protective if 418 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: he didn't show up, Yeah, but they're still on the 419 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: hook for you know, the pro rated portion of the bonuses, right, 420 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: but then he but then but then they don't get 421 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: anything for him and he's not on the team. That 422 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: is true. So yeah, I I don't know what the 423 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: answer is. I'm glad I don't work for the Pittsburgh Seeling. 424 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: And I think what you're saying right now, I think 425 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: you've hit on it. What's really going on there? Right? 426 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 1: How deep is this? Right? Because there's there's clearly some 427 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: unhappiness in some quarters of a franchise that is historically 428 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: one of the league's best since the merger. And I mean, listen, 429 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: they were only a half game out of the playoffs 430 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: last year, right, I mean they're not by any stretch 431 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: a bad team an unsuccessful team. I mean, if they're 432 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: playing well at the end of the year. I mean 433 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: at one point they were seven to two and one, right, 434 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: I mean they could have beaten the Patriots in the playoffs. 435 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: They could have had home field. Absolutely. It just it 436 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like the tight ship brotherhood organization of a 437 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: few years. Does it matter if you're winning. No? Does 438 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: he really have to be happy? And if you're realistic 439 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: term no, But I'm saying they do they have to 440 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: concern themselves or do they just say, look, you're under contract, 441 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: come play. Yeah, Mike, have you ever seen space Jam? Yes? 442 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: You know how they want to kidnap the Looney Tunes 443 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: and make them play basketball, or they want to kidnap 444 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and make him play basketball against all of 445 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: the alien children who want to come and play basketball 446 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: against Michael Jordan's sadly, yes, and chained up. This is 447 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: what this feels like for Antonio Brown. For me, I 448 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: know that's a stretch as an analogy, but I think 449 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: you're tracking with me. It feels like they're chaining him 450 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: up and making him play football, you know, for the 451 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: enjoyment of others. The places he could be traded. I mean, 452 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: if you looked at who has cap room and all 453 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: of these sorts of things, Indianapolis is the one with 454 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: like they've got years worth of cat like six billion 455 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: dollars in cap room. I don't want him going to end. 456 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: Did you see two One of our colleagues sent me 457 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,959 Speaker 1: something that the other three teams in the division all 458 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: have an extra day to pick. That's interesting, That's a 459 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: very interests me. Yeah, I don't think they're You know 460 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: who has the most picks is Cleveland. I don't think 461 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's trade him to Cleveland, No, I don't think so. 462 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: I think if they're trading him, they're going to get 463 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: him far away, far far away. Well you wonder and listen. 464 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: So his salary this year is twelve point six two 465 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: five million, with that two and a half million dollar 466 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: bonus on day five. Salary for twenty twenty is eleven 467 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: point three million. Salary for twenty twenty one is twelve 468 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: point five million. You could get out at a deadcap 469 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: value of roughly seven million after twenty twenty, So in essence, 470 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: you would be trading for him for two years. If 471 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: you wanted him for a third, you could have it. 472 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's a high number, but it's not the 473 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: end of the world with the way the salary cap 474 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: has been escalating, and for the type of production that 475 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: he has, it's a big chunk. I mean, it's a 476 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: it's a really big chunk of a commitment. But what 477 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: do they want, right and do they just take anything 478 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: to say we're out get rid of them. Yeah, and 479 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's very possible. And yes, you're entirely right. 480 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: It's a huge investment. But you can't deny what kind 481 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: of a player. He's fantastic, He's incredible. I mean he's 482 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: been a top five wide receiver for nine years. Yeah, 483 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean realistically for the last seven he's 484 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: been at the at the very top of the game. 485 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you put other players with him, and some 486 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: have come and gone off the list. Megatron was on 487 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: the list with him for a while, he's gone. Andre 488 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: Johnson was on the list for a while, he's retired. 489 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: Now you have guys who have come on to the 490 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: list with him, like DeAndre Hopkins. He's not the biggest receiver. No, 491 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: he's had a couple of injuries, but man, the production. Yeah, 492 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: eight hundred and thirty nine seasons, eight hundred and thirty 493 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: seven catches eleven two hundred and seven yards and seventy 494 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: four touchdowns. I'll tell you what. This is going to 495 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: be a really interesting free agency. Absolutely, well, we're into 496 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: the We're into the heart of it now because like 497 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay cut a defensive lineman Vinny Curry. Teams are 498 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: saying goodbye to people now because of cap numbers, guys 499 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: who are still capable players, but they know they're going 500 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: to have to start paying some of their young guys, 501 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: and they're pointing ahead. And the feeling is, you want 502 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: to get out on a guy a year early than 503 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: a year late. That was the Bill Walsh theory, and 504 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: it really when when he was with the forty nine Ers, 505 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: he did that consistently. He got out on guys a 506 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: year early because if he traded him, he could get 507 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: more for him a year early. If he let them go, 508 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: he was in a position where he saved more money 509 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: than had he waited another year. Right, and they may 510 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: go somewhere else and play well for a year or 511 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: maybe two. But he felt like he helped himself more 512 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: at that moment. And that may be what the Steelers 513 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: do here. Oh man, this is going to be so interesting. 514 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Terribly interesting. I am ready for things. 515 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: I mean we are. We are now less than a 516 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: month away from the start of the fiscal year, from 517 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: the start of free agency as of today. A couple 518 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: of things. Let's talk a couple of draft things. Yes, please, 519 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. He's playing football. He says he's playing football. 520 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: I believe him. He says he's playing football. Quarterback Oklahoma 521 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner says he's playing football because of the 522 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: baseball though, are people going to be as interested in 523 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 1: drafting him or what if he doesn't like where he 524 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: gets drafted? The twister because the A's still wanting made 525 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: me wells. The A's still think he's a baseball player. 526 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: So if you're an NFL team, do you trust what 527 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: he's saying that he's going to play football. I'm not 528 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: super familiar with baseball, so pardon my ignorance here, but 529 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you a little questions. I know 530 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: a lot about base I know. That's why you're the 531 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: perfect person to be talking to in the event that 532 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: he were to say, oh, don't like football, want to 533 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: switch over to baseball. Say at the end of this season, 534 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: say he gets drafted by someone. Okay, goes there for 535 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: a year, decides I don't like living in this city, 536 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: I don't like this team, I'm not interested in this. 537 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: Baseball is my one true calling. I'm going back to baseball. 538 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: Would he then be going through the minor league system 539 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: or is that I mean that sounds well, he's not 540 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: going to go straight to the big leagues. But he 541 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: might sign a major league contract where the money is 542 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: good enough. Really, and there would probably also be something 543 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: in his football contract that might make it somewhat prohibitive 544 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: to do that. Interesting, Oh gosh, this is But but 545 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: the thing is, I'm not talking about a year from now. 546 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: You're talking about right now. Well, I'm talking about April 547 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: twenty fifth. He gets drafted by I don't even want 548 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: to say the name of a team because people will 549 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: think I'm being insulting. Well, a place that he just 550 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: doesn't want to go, or he goes much later than 551 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: he thinks he would have gone. Now he says, I'm 552 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: gonna go anywhere. He says, I want to play football. 553 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm committed to football. But does this affect does this 554 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: possibility hanging out there, the fact that he's already made 555 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: money off a big baseball contract, does it make somebody 556 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: who would think about picking him rethink it. Here's my thing. 557 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: I want Kyler Murray to go before nineteen. I'm selfish guy. Yeah, 558 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: as as Titan guy. I shoot all the quarterbacks who 559 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: could go early. That pushes everyone else back. Well, that 560 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: pushes a player toward the Titans. It's fantastic, right, But 561 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray goes in the top eighteen. Right. 562 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: But if I'm the general manager at a at a 563 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 1: team that could be looking for a quarterback, but this 564 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: guy seems a little wishy washy am I going to 565 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: pull the trigger with a high draft pack. Well, remember 566 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: the moment he's picked, he doesn't have him. He does 567 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: not have an NFL contract right now. You wonder if 568 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: somebody says, if we pick you, you have to sign 569 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: pretty quickly, Yeah, yeah? Or can't you know what are 570 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: the rules on that? Can they? Can they even do? 571 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know if I'm a 572 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: general management. But how would you like to face your 573 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: owner and let's say you pick him at whatever spot 574 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden the agents going, oh, 575 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: the A's have come back, and you know they can 576 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: only give him so much money. So I don't think 577 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: it's a battle of money. But does it become a 578 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: situation where he just changes his mind and decides to 579 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: go onto baseball? Because I think the A's are going 580 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: to leave the door. I mean, they've shown they're going 581 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: to leave the door completely open. Well, they were even 582 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: talking while he was still making this decision trying to 583 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: decide why he was going to do. They were moving 584 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: heaven and earth to get him to stay. So yeah, 585 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: I don't think that they're going to quit on that 586 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: at all by any stretch. But oh, and by the way, 587 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: he's five nine. Yeah, he's a five nine quarter, so 588 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: he's not as big as Antonio Brown. So there's already 589 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: gonna be the Doug Flutie question about right, Doug Floaty 590 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: who was five to nine and three quarters. So it's 591 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: not like he's a sure thing anyway. Right, It's very 592 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: interesting it's he is he participating at the combine? He is? Right, 593 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: he's is he going to be throwing at the combine? 594 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: I would think he'll do every Listen, He's not gonna 595 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: have any problem throwing. No. I mean, but remember there 596 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: also aren't big guys in front of him at the combine, 597 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: like there will be that's true. This is going to 598 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: be yees, So it's fun. Okay, here's the other combine question. 599 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: Jaalen Ferguson. Are you familiar with Jalen Ferguson. I am. Yes. 600 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: He's the all time leading socker in NCUBAA history Louisiana 601 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: tech rust in Louisiana. It's a good, good title to have. Yes, 602 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: he is. Unfortunately though he has a history of violence. Yeah, 603 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: he gotten a fight in two thousand and fifteen. I 604 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: think it was at a McDonald's. You can get a 605 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: little tense at McDonald's if you have I understand sometimes 606 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: you need your nuggets. Now, if you have a history 607 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: of violence from a criminal standpoint, you are not permitted 608 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: to go to the NFL Combine, the NFL scouting combine, 609 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: and there are players already this year who have been 610 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: told they will not be invited. Jalen Ferguson was uninvited 611 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 1: this week. Here's my question to you. Do you a 612 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: agree with this policy thinking that it is just a 613 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: good set policy to have, it's just the right thing 614 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: to do, or do you be disagree with it thinking 615 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: that you were almost making these guys' lives easier because 616 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: these teams want to question them in the first place, 617 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: and thus the combine is exactly where these people who 618 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: are going to get drafted ought to be. I think 619 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: the league is well intentioned by making this decision. I 620 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: understand where they're coming from. They are try, Yes, they're 621 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: trying to take a stand and saying we do not 622 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: think this is acceptable. We want to limit these guys 623 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: opportunities to get in front of the people that they 624 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: should be getting in front of it because this is 625 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: a bad thing. I get that you don't get to 626 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: have the job interviews. Yes, and one, I think that 627 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: their head is in the right place. I like that. 628 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: I like standing up firm against violence. On the other hand, 629 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: you have to take reality into consideration. These guys, especially 630 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: this one in this example, incredible athlete could really help 631 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: a team Jeffrey Simmons from Mississippi State. Another one, incredible 632 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: athlete could really help a team going to be drafted. 633 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: And this is the time that teams get the opportunity 634 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: to talk about this. They're not doing a disservice to 635 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: these players. They're doing a disservice to these teams. I 636 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: think there is a statement that was made in a 637 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: couple of different quarters that I've read, and I apologize 638 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: for not giving credit to both of the people who've 639 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: said it, but I do want to make it clear 640 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: that it is not an original idea for me. The 641 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: thought is the teams should decide whether or not the 642 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: Jalen Ferguson's come to the combine interesting that they should 643 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: make that they should have a say so saying, oh, no, 644 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: we want this guy here because we want to get 645 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: him in a room and we want him to answer questions. 646 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: We'll see. And that's thee is for the theory too, 647 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: being that you're almost letting him off the hook to 648 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: answer for this incident because he doesn't have to go 649 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: to the combine and sit in those rooms at night 650 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: and do those brutal prosecutor prosecucutorial. Oh see, I'm not 651 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: the only one who can't say the words today PROSECUTORIALE. 652 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: That's better interview. I mean, those interviews are horrible, brutal. 653 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: I would never ever ever want to do that. I 654 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: really like the Tennessee Titan scouting department. I really like 655 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: our coaching staff. I think they're all great people. Never 656 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: would I ever want to sit in a room in 657 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: front of them and have me ask have them ask 658 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: me questions like that. No chance I would crack like 659 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 1: an egg. It would be terrible. But I think I 660 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: think that that's what the teams want from these players. 661 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: The teams want to get them in there, to put 662 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: them in that situation, give them the opportunity to speak 663 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: for themselves, because realistically, every one of these cases is different, 664 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: every instance of violence or anything that someone would have 665 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 1: that's off the field, there are so many different layers 666 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: to those stories, and teams are so diligent about finding 667 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: out what happened. If a team is looking into drafting 668 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: a person, especially drafting them high, they're talking to the 669 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: janitor at their elementary school, they're talking to their mom's 670 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: best friend, they're talking to every human being that they 671 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: can get their hands on. To learn more about this 672 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: player and to not give the player the opportunity to 673 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: either tell the truth to flat out lie. To give 674 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: them that character assessment isn't necessarily hurting the players in 675 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: the way that I think the league intends to. I 676 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: think it's putting the teams at a disservice because they're 677 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: not getting that piece of evaluation the team's background. I 678 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: had no idea about this. But the team's background checks 679 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: are terrifying. They're phenomenal. It's FBI times five. I mean 680 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: it is. It is phenomenal what they know about these prospects, 681 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: and in these interviews, they're looking to see who's going 682 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: to tell them the truth exactly. And I think not 683 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: having the ability to put players in that position, especially 684 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: when they have something to maybe fess up to or 685 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: to clear the air on, I think that, yeah, does 686 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: it give them away out a little bit? Yeah, But 687 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: that's not what we're trying to do here. We are 688 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: trying to benefit the teams, give the teams the opportunity 689 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: to get that job done, and they can't. You can't 690 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: bring someone in on a pre draft visit and get 691 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: the same type of fatigue mixed with fear, mixed with 692 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: just sensory overload that you get in that situation. And 693 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: I think there's something to this line of thinking based 694 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: on the fact that Jalen Ferguson is not going to 695 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,399 Speaker 1: do this interview at the Combine publicly. So from a 696 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 1: pr standpoint, it's hard to see how the combine gets 697 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: hurt because they're not going to shine the light in 698 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: his face and say you know, this is what's the 699 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: story what happened at the McDonald's in two fifteen. It's 700 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: the teams. How'd you like to answer to Bilichick? No, 701 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't, right, I told you crack like an egg? Yeah, 702 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean, how'd you How would you like to answer 703 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: to Mike Vrabel and John Robinson? How would you like 704 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: to answer to Bill O'Brien? How would you like? I mean, 705 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: you think about some of these coaches, some of these gms, 706 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: um and from a pr aspect, I mean I get it. 707 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: I get why they're they're saying, if you've done these things, 708 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: you lose this opportunity, right, And I too appreciate it. 709 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's it's foolish or a huge mistake. 710 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: I just think it might be a bit shortsighted on 711 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: behalf of the thirty two member clubs. Absolutely, I agree 712 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: with that. I think that the punishment is falling on 713 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: the wrong side. That's what I think. I think. I think. 714 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, I think the punishment's going and 715 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: taking the interview. Yeah yeah, But the thought is the 716 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: punishment is you don't get the job interview, right, Yes, 717 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: that's the thought which I get and see, we're almost there. 718 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: I can't wait. The next time you will hear from us, 719 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 1: we will be at the combine. We are both going 720 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: to the NFL Scouting Combine week after next. Yes, don't 721 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: anticipate having a podcast next week. Yeah, because the combine 722 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: is really the good combine is the next thing. We 723 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,879 Speaker 1: are preparing for the combine right now. We are and 724 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: getting ready for all that we're going to be doing there. 725 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: We're very excited about all the opportunities we have with 726 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: the OTP, and it's a good thing. It's it's a 727 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 1: really good thing. So we will be back with you 728 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: two weeks. Yep from Indianapolis. The most wonderful time of 729 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: the year. It's cold, it's snowy, but man, everybody's working hard. 730 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: Are the pacers at home? Then? I don't know. I 731 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: haven't looked love a good pacers game, though, do you? 732 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: They're very fun. They're very fun games to go to, 733 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: super entertaining. Who's your face favorite Pacers player? I couldn't 734 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: name one of them. I really don't even know what 735 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,879 Speaker 1: a pacer. George McGinnis, No, that sounds about right. That's 736 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: a name, Smits that is also a name. Yes, Oh, 737 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: I know that one. Yeah, I've been to about five 738 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: or six games in my lifetime. Really just in it 739 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: for the hot dogs and the atmosphere. But it's fun. 740 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: I recommend it. I'm a real one sport kind of girl, Mike. 741 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: I know you are all in on foot you are. 742 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: Everything else is just for fun. I'm just there for 743 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,760 Speaker 1: the time, and I appreciate that about you. Yeah, really 744 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: a one trick pony. Where are you eating? That's okay 745 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: and indy? Yes, Oh gosh, there's so many places, three 746 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: or four you you hit every time. I have a 747 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: very serious rotation. Okay, Steak and Shake is high on 748 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: the list because man, I miss steak in Shake and 749 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,879 Speaker 1: there's a very convenient Steak in Shake. It's right next 750 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,439 Speaker 1: to our hotel. Yes, it's open twenty four hours. It's good. 751 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: The breakfast very underrated. Yes, yep, I agree with that. 752 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: That'll be high on the list. Uh, there's a there's 753 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: a couple other spots that I will frequent. I don't 754 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: deviate from the plan much, but oh good and Midwestern food. 755 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: It's good for the soul sink. Oh yeah, I've got 756 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 1: Midwestern food coursing through my veins. Meat potatoes, cheese on 757 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: all of it. Cho cholesterol. It's okay. It's good for you. 758 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: It makes you tough, that's right. The hearter, your heart 759 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,720 Speaker 1: is working, the tougher you are. I always say Amy, 760 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 1: wells our very own Anti Oakley with us here. My 761 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,839 Speaker 1: name is White Keith. This is the OTP for Valentine's Day. 762 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: Have a great Valentine, right, yeah, do it. Get out 763 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: there and do it. Spread some love and that does 764 00:46:51,120 --> 00:47:03,240 Speaker 1: it for the