WEBVTT - Replay* Confronting the Mental Health Crisis 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.080 What's a family iss your girl to Mika D. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.520 Mallory and it's your boy, my son the general. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.319 And we are your host of street politicians, the place 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:17.720 where the streets and politics to me, my son Lennon, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.560 y'all say something, America is gone. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:22.200 You're now. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.439 They used to say that boy gone, and. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.720 That boy gone. He ain't got it all. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.920 It's gone from street to street, from c to sun 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.960 Shine and sea. It's really a problem. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.320 Yeah, we're gonna talk about America being crazy because a 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:40.600 lot going on in America. But today, you know, as 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.159 I drive my kids in school every morning, like I 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.159 normally do, I turn on the radio and I hear 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.920 this conversation between Evany K. Williams to us somebody we 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:55.080 both know and respect and love, and DJ Envy, who's 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.040 also our brother, and I mean and just the breakfast 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.240 club in general. And I had seen some online chatter 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.160 about the conversation that her and Ayana Vozac had and 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.200 she spoke about not being willing to date a bus 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.440 drive unless he owned the bus company. So you know, 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.480 I didn't even at first to me, because everybody's personal 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.880 preference is their preference. You know, if you don't want 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.959 to date somebody if you feel like you're an educated 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.000 individual and you you know, you going to college, this 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.080 and that, and you want to date people within that realm, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.640 that should be your prerogative, you know. So I never 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.720 really understood what everybody was mad at. So then I 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.199 heard that she doubled down on the conversation. I didn't 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.400 hear none of that either until today, and they were 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.880 playing clips from both the interviews and then listening to 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.400 her today, and I just was I was taken back 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.039 by I think that in this situation she was tone deaf, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.400 you know. And and once again, you have your own 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.640 personal preference if you want to date anybody, that's who 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.200 you like today, and it's nothing wrong with it. But 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.240 what the problem was when she started to refer two 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.680 bus drivers as average, when she started to take the 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.760 bus driver's job, and then she started talking about having 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.880 s's and d's in school and average and wanted more. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.280 And I think the context of that is wrong, because 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.399 I know bus drivers that never had season d's, right. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.079 I know bus drivers who've been a students and just 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.360 weren't able to come out of school and get different jobs. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.239 I know bus drivers who who never even went to school. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.079 And I know people who are in certain positions where 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.040 they seem to have a lot of money that have 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.440 even Season d's, you know, they are very successful. There 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:37.960 are a lot of people I know that didn't even go 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.639 to school that a millionaires. So I think when she 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.280 was not she was trying to say something, and I 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.920 think maybe it came off wrong, you know, but the 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.240 reality situation is. And then she brought into white supremacy 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:54.240 and she said, white supremacy leads leaves our people in 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.920 positions to where they only aspired to this and they 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.560 only have that, and that those are true things. But 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.440 both those can't be true. You can't look down or 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.480 seemly look down on the bus driver or the person 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.400 with seas and these and then no white supremacy will 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:10.519 put you in a position where you have to take 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.680 these quote unquote average jobs. Right, You can't look down 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.760 and speak about white supremacy and not know that white 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:23.560 supremacy will exalt the average mediocre white man above a 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.519 scholarly black person. So we know those things as this. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.120 So I think she wasn't listening. She was, and then 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.800 she was wanting her point to be across, and she wasn't. 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.480 I didn't think that she was able to properly verbally 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.200 give her point. And she was given dictionary and it 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.640 was semantics, and she let semantics and this is the dictionary, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.160 you know, definition for average and all that. And I 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.760 think she didn't understand that she offended people, you know, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.800 and when you offend people, you have to take that 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.520 into accountability. I said, okay, I said something of the people, 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.000 and she was so doubled down, and she just said, 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.360 I don't care if God didn't agree with me. I 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.640 know what I'm saying. And when you take that type 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.360 of position, it just seems tune death. So you know, 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.880 I don't want to criticize, but I was giving my perspective, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.680 you know, and I'm open to have a conversation or 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.040 dialogue look to get clarity. But it just seems as 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:18.080 if if we're not careful about how we speak about 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.960 our people, right, if we're not speaking about them in 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.159 an upliftment, even if we even if we're trying to 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.080 teach or we want better for them. But when you 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.320 start telling you just a garbish man, you ain't nothing. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.400 It doesn't seem it's not done in love or it 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:33.960 doesn't seem as if it's done in love. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.520 Well, I mean, here's my thing. I understand both perspectives, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.880 and I understand another thing. Let me just go from 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.760 work my way from the end of your statement to 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:53.520 the beginning the whole idea of being tone deaf or not, 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:59.000 you know, not understanding when you offend people. I think 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.800 that's a tough for us to travel down because there 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.839 have been times when we are saying something that we 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.320 believe and we do not care who is offended by 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.040 it and how people feel. So when I say that 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.640 I believe that cleanliness is close to godliness, and I 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.359 refuse to allow people to tell me about You know, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.040 I understand that some people have body issues and all 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.200 of that. I get that, but I am even the 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.040 people who spoke say, well, they may be depressed and whatnot. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.920 I'm still at the place where I'm saying, Okay, I 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.400 get it, but you still need to try to keep 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.359 yourself physically clean as best as you can. I know 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.039 people who live on the street that clean themselves up. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:45.839 God an uncle who lived on the streets, and he 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.679 used to clean himself up with wipes or whatever he had. 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.920 So I understand that there are different factors, get it, 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.720 but I'm not going to I'm not willing to lower 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.520 my standard of what cleanliness or should be in a realm, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.760 of course, because everybody has anything. Listen, let me just finish. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.440 I'm not willing to lower it. And I am not 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:16.320 going to be bullied or shames into changing my opinion. Right. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.760 And there are people who are veheminently against what I'm saying, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.320 upset about it, and have unfollowed me because they told 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:29.200 me that. They demanded that I delete my post or 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.880 stop saying things and apologize, and I refuse to do it. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.960 Okay, So can I just want to give one Okay, 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:40.240 just one thing, and that is one hundred percent right 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.000 if that's how you feel. So what I'm trying to 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:46.599 say is if you say that, you can't also say 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:52.880 but I'm not trying to offend people who aren't clean, right, 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.320 and just say I don't care if you said I'm 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.919 not trying to offend people who aren't clean. This is 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.680 what I'm saying. And I'm saying, no, you are people 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.680 who aren't clean, right. You can't all you both of 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.600 those things. That's what I'm trying to say. You can 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.359 have that but that has to be your position. 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.480 Well, at the end of the day, you know, sometimes 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.320 whoever we offend, we offend, and we have to just 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:19.280 accept the fact that that happens. But I'm not necessarily 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.040 targeting any one person. I'm just saying that this is 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.560 an overall thing that I believe, that it's my standard, 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.880 and that if I have a family member or friend 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.120 who tells me I'm depressed and I'm not really taking 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.440 care of myself properly, I'm going to do everything I 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.440 can not to shame them, but to encourage them to 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:41.240 do better, right, and whatever, if it's medical, if it's whatever. 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.800 So I'm just saying, you're I hear what you're saying. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.320 I guess it's semantics to the point that I guess 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.440 everany was trying to make, which I didn't hear any 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:49.280 of this accession. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.480 And also you can't you can't follow up that up 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.600 and say, well, I understand that white supremacy has our 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.520 people on the streets and white supremacy has them in 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.880 this situation and mental health, and say all of that. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:06.880 But I could argue, even with that point that if 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.680 my son or your son, or anybody else child comes 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.960 to me and says, well, the black man has it hard, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.080 and the black man has been through so much, and 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.920 white supremacy, this and that and the third. That doesn't 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.840 mean that I'm gonna be like, Okay, well I get it, 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.880 and therefore you can go and be average, mediocre, shoot guns, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:30.440 kill people, scam, lie, cheat, go to So I'm still 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.040 going to hold you to a certain standard. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.080 But with those things, that's what I'm saying. If he 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.120 comes to you, it's a different conversation. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.800 No, no, no, But I'm sure are You're not gonna. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.920 Give him the excuses for why he should be mediocre. 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.520 So it's understanding the reasons why these things ain't happening, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:47.800 and then't say it's his fault. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:53.600 But I am sure. I'm sure though that the bus 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.520 driver whomever it is that she's talking about, has approached 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.520 her and tried to, you know, see what's up or whatever, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.200 and she probably turned down certain individuals like that. Now, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.800 I thought what was hilarious was a video that a 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.800 Yalla van Zant did and she didn't get to finish 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.959 the video, or maybe she did, but I saw the 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:17.199 tagline because she got distracted by some of chin hair, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.360 so she never finished the video, but it looked like 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.080 she was about to talk about the situation again, and 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.800 on the bottom it said, the question is whether or 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.720 not the bus driver will date you. I and so 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.600 that brings me to my mid So I'm saying that 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.720 I see points in all sides, right, because I too 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.040 do not want to date anybody that I have to 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.320 take them and dust them off and create so and so. 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.360 But who am I to assume that a bus driver 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.360 would be that there might be a bus driver out here. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.280 But I get her concept, I get what she's trying 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.720 to say. I do think to your point that it 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.960 went in the wrong direction, because the point is that 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.439 there are a lot of successful women who are constantly 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.080 having to deal with people that we meet that can't 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.960 really do much for us and emotionally or financially, and 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:16.200 it is a struggle that we face. But the bigger 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.200 struggle that I know exists is having the rich man 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.360 or the man not in my life. So let me 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:27.360 be clear, because I had and still am very very 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.080 dear and close to a very wealthy man that I 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.840 was with for over ten years and he treated me 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.360 like a queen. It just time, you know, life happens 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.400 and people go in their separate directions. But I can't 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.440 sing and say anything nasty by him. However, I have 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.160 been approached by many men who have extreme resources, and 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:52.200 they're narcissists, they're nasty, their liars, their cheaters, they're all 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.560 types of things. So I wouldn't typecast anybody, because I 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.640 know bus drivers that are amazing in terms of how 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.400 they love their wives, their families, how they stand up 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.760 in their communities. And I do believe that as a woman, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.480 a part of what makes us who we are is 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:15.000 the ability to help build an empire with your man 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.640 who might be a bus driver, and so long as 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.880 he has the ambition, he don't got to own the 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.080 bus company at the time, but it certainly should be 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.000 a goal of ours. And I should be able to 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.960 look at this man and say he has the potential, 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.800 the drive, the passion, the work, you know, work hard, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.840 all those things, the work ethic, and me, with my 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.360 skills and my belief in him and all the things 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.320 that I have together, we can own the bus company. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.760 That's the way that I see it. So just to 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.679 be clear, I don't I wouldn't say that the only 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.880 way our data bus driver is if he owns the 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.240 bus company. But I do understand the challenge that many 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.360 successful black women are facing where it is very difficult 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.960 for us to find people who are compatible with us. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.600 So all I was saying is that there's no one 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.920 clear cut answer except that, yes, if the bus driver 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.280 approached me and I saw in him the passion and 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.200 all the things that I am looking for in a man, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.120 one hundred percent, because I know that I as a 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:23.319 black woman who is strong and skillful and has resources, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.800 I know that the partner that I find that has 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:31.680 the wherewithal and the passion and everything again the work 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.040 ethic to build with me. We can own not just 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.360 one bus company, when we can own the bus company, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.040 the private car service, the this, the that, and all 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.800 types of things if we can build. So I feel 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.800 differently about that. But I know it's a challenge to 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:52.400 find compatible men, not just black, not just whatever, compatible 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:57.120 men who also are of sound character for us today. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:58.480 That's all I'm saying. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.720 I get it. I get it, So listen to you 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.880 gotta listen to the interview, and then you have a 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.440 better understanding just my position or what it is because 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.160 because I agree. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.160 Disagree with your position. 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.040 No, no, I'm not saying we or not. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.199 I'm just saying, so you have content that a better understanding. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.680 And I'm saying that whether I have a listen to 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.520 the video or not, I hear what you're saying. But 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.520 I do think that there are moments when you say 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:30.240 something and you mean it and you don't care what happens, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:31.880 and that's fine, and. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.080 That's what That's what I'm saying. I think that that 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.160 should have been more of a position in this situation. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.800 I think that she she she brought into so many 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:44.000 different factors and she she brought in a conversation that 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.480 was really an individual choice, right, and she made she 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.080 brought in that, and she brought different factors that didn't 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.600 coincide with her original point was. And I think that's 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.960 what it was to me. So you if you if 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.600 your preference is you don't want to date the bus 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.920 driver and you want to date this type of individual, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.520 that's fine, and nobody can't take you from that, and 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.040 nobody can make you you don't. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.679 Want to day Yeah, I mean, okay, well you know 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.440 some people, some people don't feel as fine. But anyway, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:17.520 I have not had a chance to sit and listen 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.360 to the interviews, because I have been spending a great 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:26.160 deal of time really trying to understand the full situation 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.040 with Jordan Neely. And I don't mean the full situation 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.040 as in he was choked by a white man and 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:38.800 held down by to other individuals on the train. That's 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.120 understanding all of that is one part, but understanding more 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.640 about who he is and more over, trying to understand 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.720 why at this point, which, by the way, for those 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.440 who are listening and those who are watching, we are 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.960 taping our shows, taping street politicians. Excuse me, we are 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:00.960 taping street politicians days before you all will see it. 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.200 I talk about this all the time, but repetition is important. 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.760 So we filmed, you know when our guests are available, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.320 and our schedules and what have you. And therefore, as 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.520 we are sitting down today, there's still not been an 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:20.320 indictment of the man who is seen in the video 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:25.600 that is now viral choking Jordan Mealy to death, nor 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.720 the other two individuals, one who's a person of color 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.480 and another white man who held him down while he 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.840 was being killed. And so at this point we're speaking 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.600 from that perspective, and so we don't know the name 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:46.400 of this formal marine, which is interesting because if people 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.560 now know that he's a former marine, and I see 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.840 it in actual articles, news articles, it says that he's 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.520 a former marine, that means they have to know who 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.040 he is, because you can't say that somebody is a 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.000 former marine if you don't know who they are. You 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.920 gotta know. And for whatever reason, the media has refused 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:10.280 to put out his name as of today. Why why 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.800 do they not have a problem putting out our names 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:18.600 all the time, telling you everything about our background down 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.680 to when we was two years old and spit on 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:21.360 a sidewalk. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.240 That's the fact. You know, the situation was crazy. Like 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.520 you said, I really just wanted to understand, and like 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.960 I was saying I was saying to you earlier, the 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:38.560 broader conversation for me is what do we as just civilians, 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:44.800 you know, just just people from the community. What are 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.440 we just allowing to happen in our communities? Right? The 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.240 fact that a man was just sitting there for fifteen minutes, 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.480 just choking another man, I don't know what. 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:58.720 For fifteen minutes, people, it was five okay. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.920 Well, even if you just choking somebody for five minutes, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.359 Like at some point when you see, like it's a 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.560 lot of homelessness in the train, and it's a lot 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.879 of mental health on the train. And I don't know 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.959 if he needed to be subdued. I don't know if 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.000 he did something that, you know, people felt threatened. And 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.520 I'm not saying that the immediate you're holding over him 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.639 and putting them, but when you start choking somebody, and 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.719 as an ex marine, you know that you could take 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.920 their life. You know, you have a skill set and 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:31.400 understanding about these particular holes that you could take somebody's life, right, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.479 And then people looking on and the people who were 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.760 there with him, I just don't know how somebody that say, okay, 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.440 just get off and just get up his neck. We 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.879 got him, you know, just hold him, Let's hold him here, 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.960 don't choke him. We don't. We're not trying to kill. Like, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.359 I don't understand why there's no more, no more of 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.960 value for life. There's there's a less value for life. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.920 There's a less value for hurting and harming people. People 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.760 are getting numb to hurting and harming people. They become 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.800 accustomed to this level of aggression and violence. And it's 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.760 just like, I want to know, how do we get 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.920 so far from consciousness, you know. That's that's the question 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.479 for me. It's just like people hold cameras. They can 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.520 sit there and see somebody, damn the choking to death, 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.600 and you just holding a camera. You ain't saying what 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.320 I'm just saying. But when the process of him getting 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.760 to choke to death there was a process that got 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.160 did you understand? 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.320 So I I agree with you that the videotape in 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.879 is triggering for me, right sometimes. But I do have 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.760 a different perspective on this because the person who was 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.360 video on, who had a very steady hand, is a journalist, right, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.920 who reports the news, and and he or she they 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.760 I think it's a he I have the only account 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.080 of what took place, right, And sometimes when you are 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.679 actually in the incident, when you when you are a 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:03.399 party to the incident happening, your statement of what took 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:08.280 place is one scrutinized and potentially debunked and what have you. 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.040 And also you don't know all everything that's going on, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.520 can't see everything, and don't necessarily have all of the 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:20.680 facts straight either, right. So I appreciate the fact that 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.760 this man or this person, this journalist, was able to 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.000 get a clear cut video and also has made a 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:35.879 very clear, at this point unchallenged statement about what took place, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:41.879 which is he said that Jordan Neely got on the 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:49.800 train and said, I'm hungry, I'm thirsty, I'm tired, and 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.600 I don't care if I go to jail with some 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.400 expletives in the middle of all of that, right, and 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.080 then he took his jacket and threw it to the ground, 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.719 and he said that the white man walked up behind 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.280 his back and grabbed him, took him down to the ground, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.119 and then we see what happened on the video thereafter. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.560 That's crazy. 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.000 So this is what he said, right, So I great 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:15.480 with you about the video thing. I'm just trying to 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:19.520 make sure that we put into proper context. Why it's 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:25.360 also important that we have a very neutral, uninvolved person 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.920 who is just filming and just reporting on what took 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:33.920 place to prove what I believe already, because and I 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:40.159 am listen my text messages from people sending me screenshots 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.800 of other people's text mess because everybody knows not to 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.800 text me and try to make excuses for what happened 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.400 to Jordan Neely. But people are having conversations. The amount 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:57.800 of people who are devastated, stressed out, scared to death 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.919 and everything else of the train because of the crazy 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.280 stuff that's going on. People getting spit in the face, 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.720 houseless or unhoused individuals, or people in general because you 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:13.920 don't know if they're unhoused or not, exposing themselves, hitting people, 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.880 throwing people in front of the train, on the train tracks, 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:22.199 stabbing people. All of these things are real. They're real concerns, 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.520 and they're real problems. And I see people in my 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.199 comments who are like, you don't know anything about the 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:28.960 train unless you live in New York and ride. Y'all 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:33.400 been riding the train my whole entire life. Okay, don't 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.800 ride the train today, partially not even because of myself, 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:41.120 but because y'all have pretty much banned me from going 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.240 on the train since you know, at this point, people 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.199 know me. And if I'm by myself, if I were 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:47.920 two or three people and we need to get from 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.880 one stop to the next in Manhattan, there's no way 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.159 I'm gonna be like, oh, we're gonna get in an 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.879 uber and either pay the money or deal with the 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.919 traffic we get on the train. But by myself, I 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.400 rode the train, and you know that up until maybe 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.719 about a year or so ago, well around COVID, I 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.080 was riding the train up and down, taking the Metro 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:08.240 North to the Then I would get on and by 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.040 the way, people on the Metro North be bugging too. 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.960 But taking the Metro North and then getting on the 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:17.240 regular train to cross over the shuttles, walking through forty 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.960 second Street, walking through a lot of different places and 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.600 taking the number five than the two train uptown or whatever. 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:25.879 I did that. So you can't tell me I know 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.600 the trains are crazy. What I'm saying is that you 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.080 don't get to kill somebody because we know how the 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:35.080 trains are. Well, we know how the trains are in quotes, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.680 we know how the trains are. So therefore you get 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.399