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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: impeach Trump and quote Trump literally sounds like an unhinged

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Speaker 1: But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, doctor Fauci one of the Republicans great, great,

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Speaker 2: great villains.

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Speaker 3: He really just said, hey, you all want clips for hnnity,

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Speaker 3: I ain't given them to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He did the thing that my grandfather did and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people did. Actually, my grandfather, you can't.

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Speaker 1: He mostly talked because he loves to talk. He loved

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Speaker 1: to talk. He's been there for a long time, but

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Speaker 1: not Anthony Fauci. Anthony Fauci took the fifth and look

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Speaker 1: and Paul decided that he wanted to have this insane

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Speaker 1: hearing with Anthony Fauci about COVID. Why did he do

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Speaker 1: this because he thinks the base wants this. The reality

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Speaker 1: is that's not what's happening here, right. The base doesn't

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Speaker 1: want it. They do not remember this. And also more importantly,

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Speaker 1: it's years and years ago. Fauci hasn't even been in

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Speaker 1: the government in a couple of years, and this is

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Speaker 1: just like pure theater, and the theater is over. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just really so stupid, and good for doctor Fauci

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Speaker 1: for not giving them anything, just taking the fifth. Could

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Speaker 1: not get out of their fast enough. I saw Laura Ingram.

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Speaker 1: All she had to talk about was that he couldn't

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Speaker 1: get out of there fast enough, and to which I say,

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Speaker 1: good for him.

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Speaker 4: I think it's funny that Trump was saying that it's

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Speaker 4: okay that Biden pardoned because part Trump loves part so much.

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Speaker 4: This is this is like the one time he's ever

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Speaker 4: been at theical in this life.

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Speaker 3: So funny. He's like, oh yeah, we gotta love the

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Speaker 3: parties people.

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Speaker 1: We love him by the way when Democrats went back power.

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Speaker 5: No more pardons team, no more presidential part God, this

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Speaker 5: is the scammiest thing, almost the scammiest thing we have

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Speaker 3: It's probably running about tenth place with the way they're

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Speaker 6: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but we have.

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Speaker 1: A scam we're about to talk about too, right, that's.

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Speaker 3: True, because he's just mind blowing getting upset Ken Martin.

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Speaker 7: I feel like we're now about to have the trickle

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Speaker 7: of every day. We're going to find out that Scooby

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Speaker 7: Doo like blunders just occurs through the DNC. And this

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Speaker 7: is who we're still letting run this, This is who

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Speaker 7: Democratic officials are elected officials are still not calling for

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Speaker 7: to resign. Here's the headline, DNC lost tens of thousands

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Speaker 7: to scammer pretending to be Ken Martin. What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened here, team, but twenty eight

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. A DNC senior campaign finance analyst wrote, they

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Speaker 1: got scammed. Okay, this is some really great reporting from Nottives,

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Speaker 1: which is a new outlet, which it's just so stupid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys, like, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: Like this is I mean, the leadership needs a real

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Speaker 1: overhaul at the DNC, but more than that, we need

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Speaker 1: like they got scammed by an email from someone pretending

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Speaker 1: to be chair Ken Martin last year. So you know

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Speaker 1: those emails that are like I've lost my phone and

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Speaker 1: I've need you to give me your bank account. Well

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Speaker 1: the DNC did that, and that is why you should

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Speaker 1: give directly to candidates.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Ken Martin was hanging out with the Saudi Prince

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Speaker 1: Buddy, it's real bad. It is real robot.

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Speaker 3: So we have a.

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Speaker 8: Leaked memo from the Republicans and Mike Johnson that apparently

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Speaker 8: the scare tactic of saying socialist is not working very

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Speaker 8: well anymore, since as we keep seeing in polls, socialism

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Speaker 8: to say the bookieyman communists. And you know I should say,

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Speaker 8: this doesn't seem like that newest strategy, like they've been

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Speaker 8: doing this literally since twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a document dated July twentieth padding that

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Speaker 1: communism rings the loudest alarms with constituents forty two percent

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Speaker 1: retreat to the softer label just because socialism alarms fewer

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Speaker 1: in the abstract. Connect all three fruits of the same

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Speaker 1: Here's what's going on here. There are people who are like,

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Speaker 1: why can't I get healthcare? Why can't I get dental care?

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Speaker 1: Why is a billionaire cutting USAID? What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: And this? You know, they look at Sweden, they look

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Speaker 1: have healthcare. It's just crazy. So this is a fact

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Speaker 1: free ploy on the Republican side. And I think that

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote Matt Lewis here, who's a conservative, saying,

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Speaker 1: there's a huge difference between political movements that want to

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Speaker 1: use democratic means to expand the welfare state, which is

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. I think the welfare state

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Speaker 1: we're talking about is, you know, things like kid care, right,

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Speaker 1: which is some thing that Andy Kim wants to do.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about free school breakfast. We're not talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not saying about seizing the means of production, right.

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Speaker 1: And we're not talking about even giving you know, free

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Speaker 1: We're not even talking about them. We are literally talking

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Speaker 1: about like if you go to public school and you

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Speaker 1: are a kid and you can't afford breakfast, that we

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Speaker 1: may get till breakfast is free, so that if you're

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Speaker 1: a poor kid, you can get free breakfast, just like

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Speaker 1: if you're a middle class kid. It's about dignity, it's

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Speaker 1: about feeding children. It's about the fact that we live

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Speaker 1: in a country that is affluent enough so that we

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Speaker 1: do not need to have children starving. You know what

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Speaker 1: Trump wants to do is, you know, basically end our

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Speaker 1: American democracy. So we're going to see more scare tactics

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Speaker 1: like this. It's funny because it's like, I'm old enough

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Speaker 1: to remember the caravans. Do you remember the caravans?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I remember everybody calling Biden a communist.

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Speaker 2: You know, what did he run as a president and

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Speaker 2: what did he do as a president came anywhere near communism.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for people, it's more communists than Biden because

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Speaker 1: he's seizing the means of production every time.

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Speaker 2: This is just putting the hyper and hyperbolie. Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: one of the things I think is an undertold story

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Speaker 2: of this administration is their quest to kill tourism towards America.

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Speaker 2: I bring this up a lot because I really find

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Speaker 2: it ridiculous, and I talk to a lot of people

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Speaker 2: really seems like it's just Americans running around our country

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Speaker 2: now and a lot less people here since Trump got here.

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Speaker 2: And here's another thing that's going to drive down our

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Speaker 1: This is the work of Steven Miller. Stephen Miller has

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Speaker 1: the numbers he wants to meet, and the numbers he

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Speaker 1: that's where we are here. So we are in this

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Speaker 1: insane moment where the Trump administration is arresting foreign citizens

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Speaker 1: spouses of Americans. According to documents tained by The New

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Speaker 1: tactic that opens up a vast new pool of people

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Speaker 1: That means if your husband is a citizen but you

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Speaker 1: weeks and weeks, and that is really scary. It's really scary.

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Speaker 1: It's really what we're in this moment of you know, look,

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Speaker 1: we know that there is not far from any of

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Speaker 1: us in the city of Newark a detention center called

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Speaker 1: Delaney Hall, where people are being fed food with mites

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Speaker 1: they are dying. And we have real concentration camps, not jails,

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Speaker 1: is what they look like. They are Mexican, they look

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Speaker 1: of trump Ism. And it's all because of one man,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Miller, who had did not like going to his

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Speaker 1: created these death camps where people are literally dying and

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Speaker 1: Americans are getting murdered. And welcome to Trump is a

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Speaker 1: two point out. Mary Trump is the host of The

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Speaker 1: Mary Trump Show and the author of Who Could Ever

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Speaker 1: Love You? A family memoir. Welcome, Welcome Mary Trump. Well,

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Speaker 1: jog fuss what what? So exactly you know Lindsey Graham

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Speaker 1: has this. It doesn't lie in state, but it's a

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Speaker 1: very grand funeral. It is the last of the three amigos, right,

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Speaker 1: so we saw Lieberman, we saw first, we saw McCain,

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Speaker 1: You can argue about his legacy and we will ad nauseum.

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Speaker 1: But it was a very grand send off, not lying

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Speaker 9: It's that a question discuss yes well, As.

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Speaker 10: Is often the case, Donald carried himself with exactly the

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Speaker 9: The funeral of somebody who was allegedly a close friend.

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Speaker 9: Because Lindsey Graham apparently really wanted to pass the say bags, so.

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Speaker 1: That is yeah, Perhaps the darkest moment is so Again,

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Speaker 1: what is interesting about Lindsey Graham is that he he

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Speaker 1: and advocate for national security and also war because he

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Speaker 1: was thought he was a warmonger too, And you know

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Speaker 1: that was the way that generation thought about Now security,

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Speaker 1: we can give it to we can say that I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure it's I think it was wrong, but it's

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Speaker 1: how they thought about it. To stay in the tent.

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Speaker 1: Is it worth it to have that power or is

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Speaker 10: Well, I think the staying at the tent in service

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Speaker 10: to trying to moderate Donald's impulses or pass a better

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Speaker 10: legislation or whatever. First of all, I think that ship

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Speaker 10: is that is possible. And secondly, in what way did

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Speaker 10: Lindsay Gram showed.

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Speaker 9: Us He's actually the sort.

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Speaker 10: Of platonic ideal of somebody in the Republican Party who

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Speaker 10: is so craven and weak and needy that they are

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Speaker 9: Proximity to power. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Very clearly, not his legacy.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, sure, why anybody's shocked anymore? But right, Yeah, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 10: And he told the same joke, which by the way,

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Speaker 9: Of the coffin. I don't know. It's weird.

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Speaker 10: Well, what's even worse is when it's something that's not weird,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, because I think even he is aware that the

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, going to be a lot of hearings and

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Speaker 10: Were introduced this way every single time, you know, ladies

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Speaker 9: Well, that matters and.

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Speaker 10: part of that could possibly be because most Americans have

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Speaker 10: to work too much just to stay afloat, and Donald's

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Speaker 10: making it harder. And it's one thing to gaslight somebody

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Speaker 10: about something about which they don't have any information. I'd

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Speaker 10: say that probably ninety percent of people who support him don't.

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Speaker 9: Know about E. G.

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Speaker 10: And Carrol because they're not talking about it on Fox

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Speaker 10: or Newsmax. On the other hand, it's very difficult to

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Speaker 10: tell people not to believe their own lying eyes, because

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Speaker 10: if there's one thing Americans know very well, it's when

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Speaker 10: their paychecks aren't going as far and how much it

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Speaker 10: costs to fill up your tank of gas. You know,

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Speaker 10: So it's not working, And I think that's molly. I

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Speaker 10: think it's really interesting. Like in general, one of the

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Speaker 10: things we're seeing is that Donald is losing control of

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Speaker 10: the narrative. And I don't know that that's anything that's

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Speaker 10: happened to him before that might be unique in his experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's interesting about that? And I think

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Speaker 1: that's right, is that there's a feeling that all of

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Speaker 1: this has that Trumps has really not been able to

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Speaker 1: hold on to the narrative or even people's attention. Remember

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Speaker 1: how he dominated everyone's attention for a decade sadly, yes.

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Speaker 10: And maybe more being from New York.

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Speaker 9: He had in the eighties and nineties.

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Speaker 1: And being his niece, he probably did that a lot longer.

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Speaker 10: Well, I yes, I mean he dominated every family conversation,

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Speaker 10: which was really fun.

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Speaker 9: I have to.

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Speaker 10: Say so now again because he's in the Oval office,

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Speaker 10: and because he still has a lot of power and

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Speaker 10: he's being so destructive the attention he's getting.

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Speaker 9: It's not that it's negative. He doesn't mind negative attention.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 10: That was one of my grandfather's mantras. There's no such

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Speaker 10: thing as about publicity. But this is publicity that's focused

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Speaker 10: on his incompetence and his decrepitude. And that's different. That

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Speaker 10: is a that is kind of attention he that makes

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Speaker 10: him desperate to change the subject.

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Speaker 9: The problem for him is the ways in which he's

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Speaker 9: trying to change the subject or making everything worse for him.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 10: Now, to get our attention away from Epstein, he started

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Speaker 10: an unconstitutional war of choice that's been disastrous, and he

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Speaker 10: actually lost it on day one and here we are

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Speaker 10: six months later.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 9: So that's just the kind of thing that.

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Speaker 10: Is happening continually now and he cannot he cannot stop,

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Speaker 10: he can't get out of that loop because he's the

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Speaker 10: one creating this vicious cycle. Mary Trump, thank you, Thanks,

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Speaker 10: why this is great, It's really good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Brandy's a Drosny reports on disinformation for MS now. Welcome, Welcome, Brandy.

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Speaker 12: Thank him. I'm so grateful to be here.

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Speaker 1: We are so grateful to have you. You cover the disinformation beat,

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Speaker 1: and you do a brilliant lay. So that means that

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Speaker 1: on the right and in this case on the left.

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Speaker 1: So Tank goes through the paid influencer campaign that is

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Speaker 1: happening in the Michigan Senate primary on the Democratic side.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, you know, we hear a lot about like

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Speaker 6: that refrain. You know, why can't we have a Joe

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Speaker 6: Rogan on the left. And I think that we have

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Speaker 6: some people with a lot of money that saw, you know,

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Speaker 6: what the Russian troll agency did, and saw what was

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Speaker 6: happening with our right wing friends and decided that's a

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Speaker 6: really great idea, we want to do all those shenanigans

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Speaker 6: like not the we don't want to have a lefty

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Speaker 6: like organic presence.

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Speaker 12: We're going to fake it like they did.

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Speaker 6: And so what we're seeing we saw it with Steyr

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Speaker 6: in California, We saw it with Abagazale. We are seeing

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Speaker 6: now democratic groups paying influencers, sometimes people who probably would

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Speaker 6: have already been fans right of a particular candidate. And

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Speaker 6: that feels more organic and authentic, but then also just

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Speaker 6: like blatantly false, inauthentic, not organic. So like I have

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Speaker 6: an app on my phone right now, so I can

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Speaker 6: log onto this app called side Shift, and there are

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Speaker 6: like campaigns that you can join.

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Speaker 12: One is from Project Bullhorn.

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Speaker 6: And what Project Bullhorn did was they hired people four

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Speaker 6: hundred dollars for thirty.

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Speaker 12: Posts a month.

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Speaker 6: And they hired these people to come on and make

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Speaker 6: these fake videos saying I'm from Michigan and I can't

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Speaker 6: afford groceries and it's so bad and oh it's so

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Speaker 6: hard to be so poor and make it make sense.

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Speaker 6: And they all have the same refrain, make it make sense.

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Speaker 6: And those people were also you know, one person was

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Speaker 6: a web designer in South Carolina one was a college student.

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Speaker 12: One did some pornography on.

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Speaker 6: The side, like these are all like hustlers, right, and

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Speaker 6: now slowly that I can't afford groceries. Message has morphed

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Speaker 6: into and that's why I support Haley Stevens, who is

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Speaker 6: the establishment candidate in this Michigan Senate race. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's it's Shenanigans and it's by the Democrats this time

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Speaker 6: the call is coming from inside the house.

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Speaker 1: It's bizarre, but it's also super interesting. There's like another line,

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Speaker 1: she's really growing on me. Can you explain what happened there?

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Speaker 1: Because that's it also is funny because I think Tim

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Speaker 1: Miller got He didn't really, I don't think Tim Miller's

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Speaker 1: being paid by these groups, but he he did say

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Speaker 1: she's really growing on me. And people were like, ah,

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Speaker 1: you're being paid?

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Speaker 12: Do I love these sort of things?

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Speaker 6: And that's when like the snake starts eating its tail

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Speaker 6: and you can't tell where the original jokes like it's

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Speaker 6: a meme now, right, But it was clearly like a

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Speaker 6: couple of influencers started saying she's really growing on me,

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Speaker 6: and it seemed an authentic because like, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do have to say, I was watching

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Speaker 1: it again. Jesse's been making fun of me all week

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Speaker 1: for this, but I was watching it and I thought,

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Speaker 1: she's kind of growing on me. But well, I.

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Speaker 6: Think here's the thing is that in politics or the internet,

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Speaker 6: it rewards authenticity, right, So like when we see a

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Speaker 6: politician owning her mistakes or leaning into the fact that, okay,

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Speaker 6: everybody's making fun of me, like that's actually a really

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Speaker 6: attractive quality. And so like I get the feeling of

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Speaker 6: like she's growing on me, but like that phrasing, it's

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Speaker 6: always this. It's with the fake influencers. It was like,

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Speaker 6: and that's why she's got my vote, and it's like

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Speaker 6: this is not real. You're not talking like a real person,

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Speaker 6: and it's just so obvious. And so with that you

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Speaker 6: had a couple of like she's growing on me, and

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Speaker 6: the internet just leapt on it, like who talks like

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Speaker 6: that and in that very specific way, and so that

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Speaker 6: it became a joke and now people are like, falsely

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Speaker 6: I think, labeling people as like in on it when

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Speaker 6: actually they're making fun of it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So that is the danger of like being almost

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Speaker 1: too with it online is that sometimes what's a meme

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Speaker 1: or a joke looks like part of the conspiracy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that is one of the million reasons

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Speaker 6: that I don't really dunk online anymore. It's like it's

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Speaker 6: actually like not helpful, and like I'm probably.

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Speaker 12: You know, treats it a little more.

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Speaker 6: I mean whatever, I'm like a hall monitor now, but

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Speaker 6: like I find it to be a little too light hearted.

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Speaker 6: Like I find that, you know, paying for and engineering

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Speaker 6: and authentic campaigns to get establishment candidates elected is like

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Speaker 6: bad for democracy, and it's it's just bad news and

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Speaker 6: I don't want to like really, I don't revel in

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Speaker 6: it as much as I used to. But yeah, certainly

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Speaker 6: a week from now, no one will know who who

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Speaker 6: was meant it and who was just joking about it.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this campaign. This is pretty unusual on

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Speaker 1: the democratic side to see this, and some of it

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Speaker 1: is probably because a pack I don't know where there

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Speaker 1: are other packs besides a pack that are involved in this.

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Speaker 1: So there's a couple packs so that are more on

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Speaker 1: the influence side and less ideological.

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Speaker 6: Right, there's a lot of money going around right now

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Speaker 6: in various packs and nonprofits, and it's hard to even

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Speaker 6: say where the money is coming from.

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Speaker 12: And there's a lot of different campaigns.

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Speaker 6: Just in this Michigan Senate race, there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: online campaigns from various different places. Everybody's trying the same

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Speaker 6: thing at the same time, right, Like everybody had the

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Speaker 6: same idea, like let's get influencers to like prop up

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Speaker 6: our candidate or to prop up the issues that we

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Speaker 6: know will lead people to vote for our candidate and eventually,

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Speaker 6: so you know, yeah, you have Project Bullhorn, which is

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Speaker 6: a new advocacy.

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Speaker 1: Organization, Project Bullhorn. Do we know what sort of their

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Speaker 1: goal is?

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Speaker 6: The New York Times right up on them said that

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Speaker 6: it was sort of influenced by why can't we have

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Speaker 6: a Joe Rogan on the left? Like why don't we

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Speaker 6: have people on the left talking about these issues?

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Speaker 12: Like the right is so good.

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Speaker 6: At interneting and social ing, why aren't we as good

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Speaker 6: as that? And so instead of trying to seemingly, instead

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Speaker 6: of trying to prompt authentic shows of solidarity and caring

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Speaker 6: about these issues, they're just paying people.

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Speaker 1: So Project Bullhorn, though, is not it's not ideological, it's

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Speaker 1: just well.

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Speaker 12: It's on the left. Yeah, it's a left wing organization.

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Speaker 1: But I mean it's just as you just buy them

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Speaker 1: to support your candidate. It's not like a pack. No,

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Speaker 1: so it's not like a pack.

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Speaker 6: So Project Bullhorn is kind of like at the top

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Speaker 6: of what this cuss would be. And then they hire agencies,

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Speaker 6: right like social media marketing agencies, and those agencies reach

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Speaker 6: out to specific influencers. Sometimes if you're on a high tier,

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Speaker 6: you might get We saw some contracts. They are like

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Speaker 6: fifteen hundred dollars to say one or two posts about

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Speaker 6: a candidate or an issue.

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Speaker 12: And then the.

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Speaker 6: Lower tier of that, the very bottom of the barrel,

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Speaker 6: which is the people that I'm really really interested in anyway,

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Speaker 6: It's so interesting. Yeah, those people are offered again like

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Speaker 6: four hundred bucks for thirty days worth of work to

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Speaker 6: just grind for these candidates. And yeah, I mean again,

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Speaker 6: like where it's This is one example on side shift

628
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Speaker 6: of where this is coming from. But also again, people

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Speaker 6: are reaching out to specific influencers all over their place.

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Speaker 6: There are dozens of these social media marketing organizations who

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Speaker 6: their whole job is to connect not just campaigns but campaigns, products,

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Speaker 6: whatever to influencers or even micro influencers. These like little

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Speaker 6: bitty people who will flood the zone with whatever it

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Speaker 6: is they want to sell you.

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Speaker 1: So this is like Chorus, right, Chorus was the first

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Speaker 1: of these. It's exactly like Chris, can you tell us

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Speaker 1: sort of some of the people that Chorus had that

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Speaker 1: we might know?

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Speaker 6: I have to look it up, honestly, I know this

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Speaker 6: is Brian Tyler Cohen's group, and they wow. But Brian

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Speaker 6: Tyler Cohen, Yeah, yeah, that's his group. So he's part

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Speaker 6: of that.

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Speaker 12: He's part of Chorus.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean that Brian Tyler Cohen like just he's

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Speaker 1: a great example, So since he run that group? Or

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Speaker 1: does he get money from that group?

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Speaker 6: Brian Coen is the co founder of Chorus, and Chorus

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Speaker 6: is a kind of like collective of influencers and like

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Speaker 6: higher quality influencers, people that you know, people that already

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Speaker 6: have established audiences, and this group sort of is I

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Speaker 6: can read you the few. He's a progressive political creator

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Speaker 6: ten million followers.

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Speaker 12: That's Brian Teller Cohen.

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Speaker 6: But it's a democratic strategy operation basically pay influencers to

655
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Speaker 6: promote democratic talking points and democratic candidates with Chorus. And

656
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Speaker 6: the thing that Chorus people said is like listen, we're

657
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Speaker 6: already going to be doing this work, right, Like we

658
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Speaker 6: believe in this stuff. This isn't fake, it is authentic.

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Speaker 1: It's not like Russian trolls.

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Speaker 6: Right, there's an argument for that. Like what there is

661
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Speaker 6: no argument for is two things.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: One, I think you have to disclose if you're saying

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Speaker 6: you're for a candidate and you don't say this is

665
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Speaker 6: a paid ad or I'm being paid for my services.

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Speaker 12: That's not allowed.

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Speaker 6: And it is allowed because the law is stupid, but

668
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Speaker 6: it shouldn't be allowed, you know. And SHIFT just introduced

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Speaker 6: a bill that would hopefully they quashed something like that.

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Speaker 12: But so it shouldn't be that.

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Speaker 6: And two, it shouldn't you shouldn't get to totally lie

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Speaker 6: about something, right. You shouldn't be able to pay someone

673
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Speaker 6: to say that they're a moms struggling in Michigan, who's

674
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Speaker 6: going to vote for Hayley Stevens if they're really you know,

675
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Speaker 6: doing pornography in South Carolina, Like that's it's just not

676
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Speaker 6: like that's not I think that that's bad.

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Speaker 12: I think that that's lying to people.

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Speaker 6: And I think if the Democratic Party, which you know,

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Speaker 6: says that they're against disinformation, who like made these very

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Speaker 6: principled stands to go around and do those things.

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Speaker 12: I just think that's messed up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is messed up. I read this piece in

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Speaker 1: the New York Times magazine which is excellent about the

684
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Speaker 1: breakup of the Heritage Foundation. And it's a very long,

685
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Speaker 1: very exhausted reported piece which talks about this schism in

686
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Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation. And the schism is between young Trumpers,

687
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Speaker 1: people who have only ever known Trump, and more traditional

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Speaker 1: Heritage people. And the point of this story is that

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Speaker 1: the young Trumpers love Candice Owens and believe that the Holocaust.

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Speaker 1: You know what, can I just have a minute to

691
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Speaker 1: read that, because I feel like you'll find this amazing too.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, please, I'm behind on my New York Times

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Speaker 6: magazine reading any say, yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is a very long article. I will just talk

695
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Speaker 1: about it so none of you can all pretend you've

696
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Speaker 1: read it. A sizeable number of newer staff members were

697
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Speaker 1: fans of Pat Buchanan, who wrote a book about how Churchill,

698
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Speaker 1: not Hitler, was the instigator of World War Two. A

699
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Speaker 1: number of them, several former staffers told me, seemed to

700
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Speaker 1: share this view. The idea here was that they could

701
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Speaker 1: not decide who was the bad guy in World War Two.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was to the National Conservatism Conference,

703
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 6: and everybody was wearing Patty Cannon pins and like had

704
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Speaker 6: Patty Cannon laptop stickers. It was just like, huh, But.

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Speaker 1: Candice Owens is the air of parent to pap. You

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Speaker 1: can in a lot of ways. So you write about

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Speaker 1: candis owns a lot, So I'd love you to explain

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Speaker 1: what is going on there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, if you're a young reactionary Republican, you know,

710
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Speaker 6: you're looking to be not your grandfather's party, or actually

711
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Speaker 6: maybe your grandfather's party, not your father's party. But like,

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Speaker 6: I think you know, Candith Owens is a remarkable communicator.

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Speaker 12: She's she's remarkable.

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Speaker 6: She's very very engaging, and she's warm and interesting, and

715
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Speaker 6: she's willing and in fact eager to say the things

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Speaker 6: that no one else will say. Like the thing she's

717
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Speaker 6: really good at is differentiation. The way that she amassed

718
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Speaker 6: her huge audience now is really was really after October

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Speaker 6: seventh because she was sort of you know, not only

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Speaker 6: was she willing to fight with people like Ben Shapiro

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Speaker 6: in public, which a lot of the new right radicals

722
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Speaker 6: hate for reasons that we can all generally understand.

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Speaker 1: Not the same reasons we don't like Ben Shapiro. Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: But we.

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Speaker 6: Can talk about that too, because I think there's a

726
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Speaker 6: big problem on the left with people like handing it

727
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Speaker 6: to Candace Owens or like enemy of my enemy is

728
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Speaker 6: my friend, which actually is going to do a lot

729
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Speaker 6: of damage in the long run. But you know, she

730
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Speaker 6: came along and after October seventh, she was like, I

731
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Speaker 6: don't feel right about this. You know, I think this blockyate.

732
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Speaker 6: I think it's too much, and I think that that's wrong.

733
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Speaker 6: And she was sort of willing to be reasonable there.

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Speaker 6: And I think she was like an entry way for

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Speaker 6: a lot of folks who had reasonable concerns about Israel's

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Speaker 6: reaction to October seventh and you know, the ensuing you know,

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Speaker 6: Palestinian genocide or war in Gaza. I think she's willing

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Speaker 6: to say some of those things that was attractive to

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Speaker 6: a lot of normal people who also had real questions

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Speaker 6: about that response.

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Speaker 12: Anyway, she's amassed this huge audience, and I think that.

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Speaker 6: The far right sort of people, the heritage sort of

743
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Speaker 6: youngsters inside. My reaction with them or my experience with them,

744
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Speaker 6: has not been that they think that Candace Owens is

745
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Speaker 6: a smart person or that she's a reliable torch bearer

746
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Speaker 6: for Republican ideals, but that she will blow it up.

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Speaker 12: And I think people like that.

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Speaker 6: I think that that's a really attractive quality to a

749
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Speaker 6: group that thinks that things should be blown up and changed.

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Speaker 6: And so they say, yeah, let her go, and she's entertaining.

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Speaker 6: And you know, again, not the old Guard, not just

752
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Speaker 6: Heritage Foundation, but like even Turning Point right, Like there

753
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Speaker 6: are newbies and Turning Point who think that it's a staid,

754
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Speaker 6: old kind of organization that needs to be changed.

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Speaker 1: So part of the problem here is that the blow

756
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Speaker 1: it up ethos of Trumpism continues to blow it up,

757
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Speaker 1: even when it's the remnants of something that's been blown up.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's why it's not working very well.

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Speaker 6: Like things aren't going well for Republicans at this moment.

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Speaker 6: I don't think, Like I'm watching this bouty hearing and

761
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 6: people are just like screaming and on the same old

762
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Speaker 6: treadmill that they've been on for the last six years

763
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Speaker 6: and villainizing Fauci and like, I think a lot of

764
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Speaker 6: other people have moved on, but like the Guard doesn't

765
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Speaker 6: see that. Like, so we're relitigating these things that no

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Speaker 6: one actually cares about like literally, if I go to

767
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Speaker 6: a Republican conference or no one ever talks about Fauci

768
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Speaker 6: like it's tea party people that are sore about Jaylin Fauci. Right,

769
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Speaker 6: there's a lot of talk about the Maga Civil War,

770
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Speaker 6: but it's real and right now it feels like Candace

771
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Speaker 6: Owens has the narrative, she's got the argument, she's got

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Speaker 6: a trajectory, she's moving somewhere, and Old Guard is just

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Speaker 6: trying to like stand by.

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Speaker 1: So what I think is interesting about what you're saying

775
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Speaker 1: is that it's not that you have to hand it

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Speaker 1: to Candace Owens. It's more that the young Maga it

777
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Speaker 1: only knows how to blow it up, and so they

778
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Speaker 1: are just looking for people who they feel are willing

779
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Speaker 1: to blow it up whatever it is. At this point,

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Speaker 1: what are you seeing? Like, I don't go to Seapac anymore,

781
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: but I'm just curres is what are you seeing in

782
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Speaker 1: that world now?

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Speaker 12: I mean I don't go to Seapac either.

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Speaker 6: I think that's part of the old world, right, I

785
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Speaker 6: think that's part of the Old Guard. Again, these are

786
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Speaker 6: like the tea party folks that I just like last

787
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Speaker 6: year was a total snooze. What I think about a

788
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Speaker 6: lot is Since twenty sixteen, the right has fed its

789
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Speaker 6: audience and grown its audience and movement on the backs

790
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Speaker 6: of conspiracy theories, right on the backs of even more

791
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Speaker 6: and more extreme rhetoric where you know, we're at the

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Speaker 6: point where, you know, we used to read about great

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Speaker 6: replacement in manifestos, where you know, people were shot and killed,

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Speaker 6: and now we're seeing it. X has been Twitter was

795
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Speaker 6: taken over, X has been gotten. Now we see it

796
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Speaker 6: coming everywhere, Like great replacement isn't even an extreme thing

797
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Speaker 6: to say anymore. I think we've seen the end result,

798
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Speaker 6: or the near end result, of the extremism in this

799
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Speaker 6: party gotten to a point where it can't be controlled anymore.

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Speaker 12: When you have.

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Speaker 6: People like the original Pizzagate Jack Postobic and you know

802
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Speaker 6: he is the mainstream, like he's the one begging please

803
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 6: people like let's have calm, let's have rational thought, Like sir,

804
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Speaker 6: like you've lost the plot, And I don't know, I

805
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 6: don't know how it's gonna like end.

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Speaker 12: I don't know how that ends up? Right, Does it

807
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Speaker 12: end up with Tucker Carlson as president? Does it end?

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Speaker 6: I don't think so. But like, who is the leader

809
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Speaker 6: of this party? After Trump, Where do you go after this?

810
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Speaker 6: After you fed all these people all this lies and

811
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Speaker 6: extremist content and all this narrative. I mean usually it

812
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Speaker 6: leads in violence, right, Like, that's what I've seen over

813
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Speaker 6: the last ten years is some violent event. And like

814
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Speaker 6: January sixth, right, that was the end of that. That

815
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Speaker 6: was the natural end of that barrel of lies. And

816
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Speaker 6: so I think we're in this, like I call it that,

817
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Speaker 6: that's what you get stage of this where it's like

818
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Speaker 6: find out. Yeah, we're finding out one hundred percent. So

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Speaker 6: I but I really I don't know how it ends.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what the what the natural progression of

821
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Speaker 6: it is except for violence that.

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Speaker 1: Is definitely not what I want to do. He So

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Speaker 1: you have this blowed up contingent. You have Erica Kark,

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Speaker 1: who you've written a lot about. Can you just sort

825
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Speaker 1: of give us where she is now? Because she had's

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Speaker 1: turning point, she's endorsed already, Jade Vans. Just sort of

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Speaker 1: talk us through what her trajectory is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So I met with her a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: I spent several hours with her in Arizona, and I

830
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Speaker 6: just wanted to ask about these conspiracy theories, and she

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Speaker 6: did not want to go on the record with me

832
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Speaker 6: much and she didn't want to be on film, but

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Speaker 6: like I will hand it to her. She met with

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Speaker 6: me and we chat it and answered some questions, and

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Speaker 6: like what I got from that and I will plug it.

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Speaker 6: We have a special coming on MS now and the

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Speaker 6: next couple days where we'd sort of talk about candic

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Speaker 6: zones and all of this. But what I came away

839
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Speaker 6: with is that, you know, this is a group that

840
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Speaker 6: they had eighty something million dollars coming in the year

841
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Speaker 6: that the year before Charlie died, and after Charlie's death

842
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Speaker 6: they just got to their taxes and now it was

843
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Speaker 6: like one hundred and fifty million dollars year. So like

844
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Speaker 6: they have a bunch of money. Their operation is pretty small.

845
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Speaker 6: Like I mean, I've seen their headquarters, their overhead, it's

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Speaker 6: not it's not huge.

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Speaker 12: They have they do a lot of events.

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Speaker 6: And stuff, but they also have a big rift over

849
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Speaker 6: this war in Iran. A lot of people internally do

850
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Speaker 6: not like it, a lot of their employee but they're

851
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Speaker 6: having to stick with it because their fealty belongs to

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Speaker 6: the president first and foremost, and so they're doing this

853
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Speaker 6: tightrope walk where again she's sort of faced with this

854
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Speaker 6: thing where she really wants an end to these conspiracy

855
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Speaker 6: theories because they target her and her family. I think

856
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Speaker 6: pretty badly when we talk about things that end in violence,

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Speaker 6: Like people are saying she's a murderer, right yeah, and

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Speaker 6: that she's with Israel scared. It's terrible, and she is

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Speaker 6: and I think rightly so. And so you know, she's

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Speaker 6: sort of balancing all of this with a real drive

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Speaker 6: to keep his organization alive. And she has said and

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Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk has said that she is more conservative than

863
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Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk was, especially on as she's like immigration. So

864
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Speaker 6: if ideology is a thing that she needs for this job,

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Speaker 6: she's got that. And then half but whether she can

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Speaker 6: keep this contingent together, which is what Charlie Kirk did

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Speaker 6: so well, is keep these warring factions together for his

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Speaker 6: own benefit.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: He liked taking what he could for me to never

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Speaker 6: disparaging in public, and then just using what he wanted

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Speaker 6: lifetime figure. And I don't see that coming from her,

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Speaker 6: And I just think that like insight turning point, it's

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Speaker 6: so fractured.

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Speaker 12: I wonder how it'll survive.

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Speaker 1: So interesting, Brandy, Brandy, thank you's thank you.

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Speaker 12: It's my pleasure. Love you so much.

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Speaker 1: Amma Jansen is the editor of the New Republic's newsletter

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Speaker 1: blue Book. Welcome, Welcome, Emma, thank you. You write for

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Speaker 1: a magazine called The New Republic. The editor in chief

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Speaker 1: of The New Republic is my friend Mike Tomaski. I

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Speaker 1: was talking to Mike ta Maski on the phone, as

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Speaker 1: I often do, and I said to him, I'm taking

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Speaker 1: full credit for this. So you need a newsletter like Playbook,

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Speaker 1: which was for many years the gold standard of political newsletters,

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Speaker 1: but it hits some rocks more recently. And I said,

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Speaker 1: you need a playbook for the left, a newsletter that

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Speaker 1: you can read every day to get the political landscape.

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Speaker 1: And you have done it. So tell us about this newsletter.

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Speaker 11: Yes, indeed, so I was hired as the New Republic's

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Speaker 11: newest staff writer to basically be their person on the

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Speaker 11: Hill to helm this newsletter. Like you said. So the

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Speaker 11: idea is, like you said, there's plenty of newsletters out

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Speaker 11: there that are covering the Hill, they're covering the White House,

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Speaker 11: they're talking about who won the day and the kind

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Speaker 11: of back and forth between Republicans and Democrats. And the

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Speaker 11: concept behind this, which we're calling the Blue Book, is

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Speaker 11: left specifically, So leave the GOP to other reporters and

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Speaker 11: do a great covering it, and instead talk about the

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Speaker 11: issues that we're seeing within the party and between the

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Speaker 11: insurgent left and moderates and establishment Democrats, and talk about

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Speaker 11: exciting campaigns that are under the radar, things that you

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Speaker 11: might not make it into a typical newsletter about the

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Speaker 11: politics of the day, but that are really important if

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Speaker 11: you're on the left or if you care about what's

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Speaker 11: happening in politics, particularly democratic politics.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about what that looks like right now. Just

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Speaker 1: give us the sort of four one one on what

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Speaker 1: and the Bill Polty being out as DNI, etc.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there is a lot going on so this week

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Speaker 11: so far, I've written about a couple of things kind

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Speaker 11: that one day you'll get campaign coverage, the next day

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Speaker 11: you might get like an exclusive poll about something that

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Speaker 11: get kind of a more typical here's what's happening on

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Speaker 11: I'm talking on Wednesday, July twenty ninth, So tomorrow the

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Speaker 11: piece will be about Todd Blanche and the fight to

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Speaker 11: confirm him. Specifically, I wanted to talk to survivors of

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Speaker 11: Jeffrey Epstein's abuse about their take on Blanche and on

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Speaker 11: because you know, Epstein has been a really big part

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Speaker 11: of the main, you know, top line of the conversation,

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Speaker 11: So I spoke to some folks today and then also

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Speaker 11: and got their takes on it all. Talked to some

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Speaker 11: Democratic senators. But you know, if you read the newsletter

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Speaker 11: what came out today on Wednesday, I wrote about Sam

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Speaker 11: Forstagg's campaign in Montana in the first district there. He's

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Speaker 11: a smoke jumper, so he literally parachutes into wildfire.

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Speaker 1: He's been on this podcast. Yes, listeners will know.

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Speaker 11: So I did like a little profile of what's happening

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Speaker 11: who's a member of that program, which is all about

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Speaker 11: flipping open and Republican incumbent seats blue. Got to talk

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Speaker 11: about that, and there's just so much going on all

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Speaker 11: try to go into every day and pick one, two,

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Speaker 11: sometimes three of the most substantive stories that you should

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Speaker 11: care about if you're on the left. And that's what

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Speaker 11: we're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: So i'd love you it talked to us about what's

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Speaker 1: happening with the Ebstein files and Democrats who are still

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Speaker 1: ag Raul Torres, who's also been on this podcast, he

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Speaker 1: They don't want to give it to him. But I'd

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Speaker 1: love you to talk about the sort of Democrats on

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Speaker 11: and influential team on Epstein and on a number of

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Speaker 11: other things, including like the Iran War, etc. But just recently,

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Speaker 11: together to do the Epstein Transparency Act like Part two,

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Speaker 11: which is a continuation of what they did last year

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Speaker 11: to try to get these files out. I believe that

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Speaker 11: this part two is specifically focused on empowering state attorney

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Speaker 1: It's a great idea.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a really big step. It's a smart step,

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Speaker 11: and that's been one of the biggest pieces of news

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Speaker 11: then the other element of this is about Todd Blanche,

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Speaker 11: and you know it's coming up a lot in his

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Speaker 11: Attorney General he's the one who went and had that

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Speaker 11: sit down over two days with Glene Maxwell in prison,

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Speaker 11: a month later, I want to say, she was transferred

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Speaker 11: is really like involved in all of this. And survivors

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Speaker 11: Judiciary Committee. They were in a room, they were able

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Speaker 11: Maxwell preferential treatment to hold information. They said, you know,

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Speaker 11: survivors in them? They said, why hasn't there been action

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Speaker 11: point of advocacy and they are far from satisfied. Some

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Speaker 11: have pushed for Blanche to meet with survivors and he did.

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Speaker 11: He had like a one hour meeting with them. Two

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Speaker 1: They were not happy.

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Speaker 11: No, they were like, that is not nearly enough. You

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Speaker 11: weren't able to actually give any assurances that you would

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Speaker 11: do what we want you to do, which is hold

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Speaker 11: people to account. And they saw it as just checking

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Speaker 11: a box so he can get confirmed. So that has

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Speaker 11: of surprised by how little till Us and Cornan seemed

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 11: Cornan said something to me today when I asked him

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Speaker 11: but that's between the survivors and the attorney general. He

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Speaker 11: was like, I'm focused on other issues. Just kind of

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Speaker 11: straight up said.

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Speaker 1: That what is he focused on?

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Speaker 11: Well, so the two of them now, they're big thing

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Speaker 11: is the women is a slush fund exactly. Yeah, which

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Speaker 11: you know, I also care about that. That's a rightful

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting. So right now it seems like they

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So they had asked Blanche in the hearings and in

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Speaker 11: private meetings to say, like, is this slush fund dead?

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Speaker 11: You need to tell us, and he said, yeah, it's dead,

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Speaker 11: but they don't trust that rightfully, so I would say

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Speaker 11: and want it in writing, and as far as I know,

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Speaker 11: as of when we're talking, they have not gotten that.

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Speaker 11: And this is probably all going to change in the

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Speaker 11: next few hours or maybe has already changed, because I

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Speaker 11: believe Senator Durbin basically told Cornyn by four pm today,

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Speaker 11: you need to decide on your vote so we can

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Speaker 11: figure out if we're moving forward tomorrow with his vote

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Speaker 11: to get out of committee. So we will see where

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Speaker 11: they've ended up falling on that, But so far, it

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Speaker 11: didn't look like a ton of progress was made today.

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Speaker 1: So Killo's and Cornyn are two Republicans who have completely

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Speaker 1: lost their seat, but because Trump basically fucked them, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he made it impossible for them. So I'm curious what

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Speaker 1: you say now is going to happen. So that's going

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Speaker 1: to be what they focus on and not the other staff.

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Speaker 12: I think.

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Speaker 11: So it's kind of come down to the slush fund.

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Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, like you said, the fact that they

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Speaker 11: are both about to leave, they really don't have to

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Speaker 11: try to please Trump anymore. And they also Trump has,

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Speaker 11: you know, like you said, gone against both of them,

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Speaker 11: and they have no reason to be loyal to him.

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Speaker 11: But despite that, there's still you know, it's always Cornyn

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Speaker 11: keeps giving these quotes that are always like, I'm not

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Speaker 11: prepared to vote yes, but he hasn't come out and

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Speaker 11: he's never going to say like or he hasn't yet

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Speaker 11: said I'm voting no.

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Speaker 1: Tab Lanche can't get out of the committee if he

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Speaker 1: can't get Cornyn and Tailles. So that's where we are

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Speaker 1: right now, and they can sort of at some point,

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Speaker 1: what Trump will probably do is just have him be acting.

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Speaker 1: And so in some ways they have only a limited

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Speaker 1: amount of power because Trump can be like, fuck all,

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Speaker 1: you all, I'm just going to have him be acting.

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Speaker 1: But until then they have an ability, some power to

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Speaker 1: get him to do some things. Right.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and that's completely true. And then the other question

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Speaker 11: that I'm still not completely clear on, but that I

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Speaker 11: really am trying to figure out and that I've heard

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Speaker 11: kind of mixed messaging on, is if he fails to

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Speaker 11: get out of committee, are they going to try again?

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Speaker 11: You know, like, are they going to just say, you know,

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Speaker 11: we'll change this one thing and try to advance you

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Speaker 11: again through committee, or like you said, are they just

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Speaker 11: going to give up on officially confirming him and make

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Speaker 11: him acting. So I'm not sure about that as it stands.

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Speaker 1: Does rocan I have any other sort of tricks up

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Speaker 1: his sleeve for where they go next.

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Speaker 11: That's a good question. I don't know the answer off

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Speaker 11: the top of my head, not that I've heard of,

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Speaker 11: but yeah, we'll see what comes of the partnership there.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because Taylor's, Massy and Cornyn all losing their

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Speaker 1: jobs because they were insufficiently trumpy. Emma, tell me what

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Speaker 1: else on the hill? Like, are Republicans quietly worried about

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Speaker 1: losing because it does seem like Trump is not doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to help these people who are

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Speaker 1: running in the midterms.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's very true. I certainly think House Republicans are scared.

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Speaker 11: It seems like the news every day just seems clear

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Speaker 11: and clear that Democrats are going to win the House.

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Speaker 11: The Senate. I am less sure where Senate Republicans are falling,

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Speaker 11: but like you said, Cornyn and Tillous are two major

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Speaker 11: Republicans who won't be there in January, and I think

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Speaker 11: there's definitely some concern about that. And we're also seeing

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Speaker 11: a pretty strong batch of Democratic candidates running for Senate

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Speaker 11: like tall Rico is pulling really well, and the DSCC

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Speaker 11: just announced that they're pouring a ton of money into

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Speaker 11: some critical Senate races. So it seems like, you know,

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Speaker 11: there are a lot of issues with the DNC right

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Speaker 11: now and some of those Senate and House campaign arms,

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Speaker 11: but there's a lot of money going towards getting Democratic

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Speaker 11: senators elected and there's some really good candidates. So yeah,

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Speaker 11: I think Republicans are scared, and I think they're right

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Speaker 11: to be.

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Speaker 1: Amma, thank you so much for coming on. I hope

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Speaker 1: you will come back.

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Speaker 11: Thank you, Molly. I would love to come back.

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Speaker 1: Now. Jesse Cannon, smile.

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Speaker 3: The Trump administration is putting to end Medicare party subsidies

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 8: I can't imagine what this is going to do to

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Speaker 8: this economy, into people's lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and doctor Memodas said the reason he's doing it

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Speaker 1: is because it would be paying too much money to

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Speaker 1: the drug companies. So here's what's happening. This administration doesn't

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Speaker 1: give a fuck about people. We're not billionaires, and Medicaire

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Speaker 1: part dy is something where it makes it so if

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Speaker 1: you're older, if you're older or you're disabled, you can

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Speaker 1: buy medicine for less. Donald Trump doesn't give a fuck

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Speaker 1: about that. That's not a data center in Utah. That's

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Speaker 1: not a deal for Don Junior. That is not something

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump cares about. And so because this administration

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Speaker 1: cares only really about crony capitalism and jailing people were

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Speaker 1: in this country illegally, we are in a world where

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Speaker 1: they are going to end Medicare party. And what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen here is we're going to see a lot

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Speaker 1: of people not able to get their medicine, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people not able to get any of the stuff

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Speaker 1: they need. And Trump said, and again this goes to

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Speaker 1: the tone deafness of Donald Trump at this moment, is

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is unable to understand what's happening. So

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Speaker 1: he's saying, well, I got people cheaper stuff because he

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Speaker 1: negotiated a few prices, some pricing, but it's not true.

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Speaker 1: And like this will mean that many, many more seniors

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Speaker 1: will not be able to get their medicine. And it's

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Speaker 1: not very surprising, but it is very distressing. And so

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Speaker 1: here we are. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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