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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, August twenty third, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we're asking

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Speaker 1: for a fourth round, picking a pre burrito in return.

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Speaker 1: It's being a rand MG Marcus Grant along with Michael F.

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Speaker 2: Floyd.

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Speaker 3: We're in studio.

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Speaker 1: We got hyphen, we got Susie, we got Sam back

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Speaker 1: from his worldwide vacation.

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Speaker 3: He's like, he's like pit Bull, He's like mister Worldwide.

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, he's mister la football and now he's just

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Speaker 2: taking that all over the world.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, if there's football being played in Los Angeles, Sam

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Speaker 1: is probably there with a camera. In the meantime, he's

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Speaker 1: hitting Cape verd he's hitting Portugal and in that very

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Speaker 1: exotic location called Boston, all of those things. But we're good,

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Speaker 1: We're we're glad to have you back, Sam. Looking forward

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Speaker 1: to another great season. We have plenty of stuff to

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Speaker 1: talk about. We are continuing our look around the divisions.

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Speaker 1: Today is the NFC South. But we have some news.

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Speaker 1: Things have been happening since we last spoke to you

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Speaker 1: on Monday, So let's dive into it. The first thing,

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Speaker 1: maybe the biggest thing right now, the Indianapolis Colts have

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Speaker 1: granted Jonathan Taylor permission to seek a trade. This is

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Speaker 1: sort of an interesting story in the sense that it

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Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago that Jim Ersay was saying things

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Speaker 1: like if I died tonight with Jonathan Taylor's out of

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Speaker 1: the league, no one's going to miss us. Then the

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Speaker 1: Colts startround like, we want a first round pick for

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. Like the math isn't quite mathing there, so

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Speaker 1: you know, who knows that this is gonna happen. We

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Speaker 1: saw Austin Eckler get permission to seek a trade, and

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Speaker 1: the end result of that is that Austin Eckler is

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Speaker 1: still a Los Angeles Charger. In terms of Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about this, we talked about the

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Speaker 1: AFC South. You mentioned that you still love sort of

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Speaker 1: drafting him late second, early third round. Does this news

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Speaker 1: change anything for you?

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. And the earth Say quote especially is

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Speaker 2: funny when you consider that if any team has missed

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Speaker 2: a player the last few years, it's clearly the Cult

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Speaker 2: and Andrew Luck. But besides that, I'm still fine taking

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor late second, early third round. I had a

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Speaker 2: draft over the weekend. I got him in the late

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Speaker 2: third round and I couldn't hit draft fast enough. But

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Speaker 2: then I was doing a draft today and I had

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Speaker 2: to decide between him and Josh Jacobs and the it's

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Speaker 2: a super flex. It was a third round but like

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Live, you were talking about dream locations for Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 2: and like as the Chiefs and Dolphins as two of them.

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Speaker 2: If he goes there, I think his fantasy upside goes up.

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Speaker 2: So it is a little bit of a gamble with

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Speaker 2: Taylor right now, but things could even get better somehow.

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Speaker 3: They could. It would be great if he landed in

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Speaker 3: be a cult in a week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what Indianapolis is asking in return and the

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Speaker 1: see him going anywhere. So if you are drafting him

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Speaker 1: keep drafting him in the late second or early third round.

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Speaker 1: He will continue to be discontent, but when it's all

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Speaker 1: said and done, he will show up and he will

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Speaker 2: Do you think, if I mean, if he goes to

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Speaker 1: Maybe I I saw someone joking on Twitter that you know,

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Speaker 1: Clyde Edwardsilaire is a first round pick. So if that's

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Speaker 1: what the Colts want, why don't they just get this

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Speaker 1: not a lot of fire. Nothing really happens. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anything really changes with Jonathan Taylor. Other running back news,

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Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs. Yeah, I am fine taking Josh Jacobs in

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Speaker 2: I like Nick Chubb. I have Takuon Barkley ahead of

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Speaker 1: That is possible certainly for Josh Jacobs. Look, I don't

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Speaker 1: think much changes with his outlook. I think the depression

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Speaker 1: at least. The Buccaneers have named Baker Mayfield as their

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Speaker 1: of reports that Trask was playing well, but they paid Baker,

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Speaker 1: But as for Baker himself, under what circumstances would you

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Speaker 2: It has to be dire and and I could paint

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Speaker 2: that like I in the Scott Fishbowl, which is a

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Speaker 2: So then I waited even further and got Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 2: that's really the only place I'm interested in Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: When we saw Baker last year with the Rams, he

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Speaker 2: That was like he had signed like the night before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he signed the night before, and everybody was like,

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Speaker 3: And they got a win.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, Baker, and then like that was really

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Speaker 1: on a team that doesn't have a great offensive line,

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Speaker 1: little bit further, but I think I think you'd have

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Speaker 1: to be hard pressed to consider drafting Baker Mayfield, and

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Speaker 1: you'd have to be even in an even worse way

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Speaker 2: The Bucks are in a worse way.

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Speaker 3: They kind of are right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's what happens when the greatest

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Speaker 2: I still can't believe that he hasn't returned yet.

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Speaker 3: Hey who knows.

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Speaker 1: Look it's early, right, somebody might lose their quarterback a

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Speaker 3: Who knows one there?

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Speaker 1: It is one guy that we are drafting and that

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Speaker 3: But some bad news.

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Speaker 1: He broke a bone in his wrist over the weekend

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Speaker 1: in the Seahawks preseason game against the Dallas Cowboys. Is

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Speaker 1: Now what exactly that means still is up for debate,

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Speaker 1: the surgery. Everybody loves JSN. We talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks receivers, but knowing this news about him, do

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Speaker 1: you expect him to fall in drafts? And how far

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Speaker 2: but what he's going like a six to seventh round

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Speaker 2: eighth ninth like a Round two potentially. I still think

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Speaker 2: he's worth a dice roll because my mindset with a

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Speaker 2: good enough to elevate my team and potentially change the

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Speaker 2: am confident that I can get to the Fantasy playoffs

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Speaker 2: and a lot of my leagues and most leagues to

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Speaker 2: get the sixth seed, it's you just need to be

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Speaker 2: a little bit over five hundred. I don't worry about that.

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Speaker 2: What I worry about is I want my team and

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Speaker 2: it's optimal max strength come the Fantasy playoffs because I

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Speaker 2: want to win a championship, get the trophy, the prize,

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Speaker 2: whatever comes in your league. So I think Jsen maybe

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Speaker 2: starts a little bit slower than we were anticipating now,

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Speaker 1: I think, weirdly this might give him some league winner

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that this changes how I feel

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Speaker 2: Bodies of those two and everything else stayed the same.

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Speaker 2: Tyler Lockett would be the third round pick.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: It would be a great Disney movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he absolutely is a thir He might

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just people are biased because one looks like

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Speaker 1: twenty two fantasy scores for Atlanta Marcus Mariota just over

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Speaker 1: Seventy five point six fantasy points tight end thirty three,

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Speaker 2: I like Drake London. The only thing is he receivers

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Speaker 2: But like Kyle Pitts goes in like the sixth seventh round,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's what we've said about Jordan Love when

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's enough for us to draft him,

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Speaker 3: I would buy one of those shirts. Oh that was yeah.

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Speaker 1: Last one for the Falcons. So if we're putting too

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Speaker 1: on in Miami, I would take Algier and Warren ahead

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Speaker 1: of him.

439
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Speaker 3: I would take them ahead of Damian Harris. You know.

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Speaker 1: I just I think there are ways to move these

441
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Speaker 1: guys up a little bit. And I think that we

442
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Speaker 1: immediately saw Bijeon and we were just like rip audios

443
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 1: Tyler Algier. Maybe we're a little bit too hasty with that,

444
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 1: so I think I think that's something that we should

445
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Speaker 1: probably rethink as we get deeper into draft season. Over

446
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: to the Carolina Panthers top scores, Baker Mayfield was your

447
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: top QB in Carolina. He was QB twenty nine, just

448
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 1: shy of one hundred and thirty points. Deontay Foreman one

449
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one points, RB thirty eight just for reference.

450
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Speaker 1: In six games, Christian McAffrey had one hundred and eighteen

451
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Speaker 1: points with the Carolina Panthers. So Deontay Foreman just sort

452
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: of edged him out and it took pretty much all

453
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 1: season to get there. That is like so fun fact

454
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Speaker 1: you are probably old, not old enough to remember this.

455
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: William McGee, who was a really good outfielder, speedy bass

456
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 1: stealer sort of guy at one point in his career,

457
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: got traded late season from the Saint Louis Cardinals to

458
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: the Oakland A's and actually one of the nationally Batting

459
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Speaker 1: crown while playing in the American He had a hind

460
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Speaker 1: of batting average and enough at bats to qualify, and

461
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Speaker 1: so he was playing for an American league team and

462
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 1: ended up as the national batting champion.

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Speaker 3: Yep, so that's what I thought about with Christian McCaffrey.

464
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Speaker 1: Anyway, DJ Moore just shot at two hundred Fantasy points

465
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Speaker 1: last year wide receiver twenty four. Tommy Trimble, that was

466
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: another one I had to look up. If I had

467
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Speaker 1: asked you who the top tight end was in Carolina

468
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: last year, I would have given you a dollar if

469
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Speaker 1: you came up with Tommy Trimble fifty two point four

470
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Speaker 1: Fantasy points, tight end forty six. In the off season,

471
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Speaker 1: they said goodbye to Sam Darnold de'onte foreman, and DJ Moore.

472
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: They said hello via free agency to Andy Dalton, Miles Sanders,

473
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Speaker 1: DJ Chark, Adam Thielen, and Hayden Hurst. This would have

474
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Speaker 1: been a great team in twenty seventeen. And in the

475
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Speaker 1: draft they go get Bryce Young and Jonathan Mingo Miles

476
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Speaker 1: Sanders first off the board at five dot five. So

477
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 1: Sanders last year had a decent season in Philadelphia, but

478
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Speaker 1: has never blossomed into the full time RB one that

479
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: I think we hoped he could be when he got drafted.

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00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: What is the ceiling do you think for Sanders this

481
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Speaker 1: year in Carolina?

482
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Speaker 2: I think he could finish as a high end RB two,

483
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: maybe flirt with low end RB one status. I'm not

484
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 2: telling you he's gonna rush for near thirteen hundred yards

485
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 2: and eleven touchdowns like he did last year. The Eagles

486
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: are the best rushing attack in football for a reason.

487
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Speaker 2: But what I think will happen is I think we're

488
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 2: gonna get a lot more targets for Miles Sanders. And

489
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people on Fantasy Twitter and

490
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: stuff point out like he hasn't been the most efficient

491
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: pass catcher in recent years, but we did see him

492
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Speaker 2: as a rookie catch fifty balls for five hundred and

493
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: nine yards on over sixty targets there, and you talked

494
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Speaker 2: about the money that they invested into him. I believe

495
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: he's the highest paid running back from this free agent

496
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: class and they signed him right away. So to me,

497
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: I think they have big plans for Miles Sanders, and

498
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 2: even if that means a little bit less rushing but

499
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: more dumpoffs the rookie quarterback, I'll sign up for it,

500
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: because a target is worth three carries in PPR.

501
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Speaker 1: I think that sort of keeps him afloat potentially is

502
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: the targets there In Carolina. I worry about the offensive

503
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: line overall. I know that's an issue for Bryce Young

504
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: particularly but especially trying to run the football. So I

505
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: think kind of a mid level RB two is where

506
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Speaker 1: I would peg his ceiling this year. He's not a

507
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: guy that I've drafted a whole lot because it just

508
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be enough upside there, doesn't seem to

509
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: be very exciting. The offense in general in Carolina is

510
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: not super exciting to me, so I don't think I've

511
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: drafted a lot of parts of it. But that does

512
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: lead me to the pass catchers I mentioned, they add

513
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: DJ Chark and Adam Thielen and Hayden Hurst. They draft

514
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Mingo. Which of any of these guys or if

515
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: there's another name there are you willing to take a

516
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: chance on.

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Speaker 2: For me, Jonathan Mingo is the one that because all

518
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: of them are like late round dart throws. We're talking

519
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: about these guys all going at well after the top

520
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: fifty receivers are off the board. I think Mingo brings

521
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: the highest stealing of the bunch, but I also think

522
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 2: DJ Shark is a nice value here as the field stretcher.

523
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: He's the veteran, he is their wide receiver. One my

524
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: concern with Mingo is will he be out there in

525
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: two receiver sets, because we know Chark is gonna be

526
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: out there him versus Feeling seems to be a competition

527
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: to monitor in camp right now. I've been done with

528
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: Adam Feeling for years. I'm not doing it at all now.

529
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: So for me, it is those two receivers with Mingo,

530
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: just because I think he brings a little bit more

531
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: upside being my favorite of the bunch.

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Speaker 1: I think Adam Feelin's biggest attribute in Carolina is just

533
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: a veteran presence, just the guy sort of to be

534
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: a teacher and be a leader out there. But I

535
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: think in terms of production, I mean, I think last

536
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: year we sort of saw what happens when the touchdown

537
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: numbers fall off a cliff because for a couple of

538
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: years he basically, you know, flipped the middle finger to

539
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: the idea of touchdown regression.

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00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: Right, We're like, oh, regression. He scored fourteen.

541
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Speaker 1: Touchdowns, Like, oh, he's gonna regress again, and he scored

542
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns. Last year he had six, and you just

543
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: sort of saw what that did to his production overall.

544
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Speaker 1: I'm sort of with you on that. I like Mingo,

545
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: But again I like Mingo at adp right as a

546
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: late round. You know, you draft him, you see what

547
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: happens during the season, you sort of play for the

548
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: upside there. I think that is sort of his best opportunity.

549
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: DJ Chark is the quintessential hey man, he's good in

550
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: best ball just because there may be that week or

551
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: two that he pops a big.

552
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: One on a long throw from Bryce Young.

553
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Speaker 1: But I just think on a week two week basis,

554
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: this Panthers offense is going to be sort of miserable

555
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: to have to watch and even more miserable to have

556
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: to rely on. And if I can avoid doing that,

557
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to avoid doing that. Now that we've you know,

558
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 1: basically dumped on the Panthers offense, what are you doing

559
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: about Bryce Young?

560
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Speaker 2: I have I don't know if I've drafted any Bryce

561
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: Young this year, and I don't. There's so like the

562
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: QB two. There's such a wide range of QB two's

563
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: this year that like Dak Prescott, Geno Smith, Brock, Perdy

564
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers, Jared Goff, even throwing like Russell Wilson.

565
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Speaker 2: Then there's Matt Stafford who has been very good in

566
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: the pass one healthy Derek Carr. Like I ideally the

567
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: names to the first few names that I mentioned, or

568
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: where I'm grabbing my QB two this year because they

569
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: do tend to get pushed down the board. I've never

570
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: waited long enough to have to grab a Bryce Young.

571
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: I like him obviously a lot more in Dynasty, but

572
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: at year one, like you said, this pass catching group

573
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: isn't the best. He doesn't he can run, but will

574
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: he We have to see that still, So because of that,

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00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: I have him ranked around like Desmon Ridder, Jordan Love

576
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: and that group of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems right. I think I may have drafted

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00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: him in one or two best ball leagues. But I

579
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: mean when I say one or two, I literally mean

580
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: one or two best ball leagues. I don't have a

581
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: lot of pieces of Bryce Young and right in redraft leagues.

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00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: I just I don't see it this year. It feels

583
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: like if you have him on a redraft roster, you

584
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: were an incredibly deep league or things went sideways for you.

585
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: It just this doesn't feel like the year to have

586
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. It's definitely a year sort of watch and monitor,

587
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: see what he is, see what he can be, and

588
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: then we'll spend the offseason trying to determine what the

589
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Panthers do around him. But I just don't see a

590
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: future for him in a lot of redraft manage leagues.

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Speaker 1: Back to the NFC South, was thinking about some running

607
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Speaker 1: back situations, in particular two of them the two teams

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Speaker 1: that played in the Super Bowl, the Kansas the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and the Philadelphia Eagles. Two very good offenses, two teams

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Speaker 1: completely confusing, frustrating backfield.

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Speaker 3: So want to play a quick little game of who'd

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Speaker 3: you rather?

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Speaker 1: Starting with the defending champs, the Kansas City Chiefs, Isaiah Pichecko,

616
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: Jack McKinnon, Clyde Edwards Hilaire, the three guys getting drafted

617
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: most often in that backfield. Of the three of them,

618
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: which one are you most likely to go after?

619
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Speaker 2: Jack McKinnon. The internet thinks I hate Isaiah Pacheco. I

620
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: don't I just think that he's a between the twenties

621
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: back that's not going to be utilized in the passing

622
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: game a whole lot and gets pulled in the red

623
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: zone despite being their biggest running back. They pull him

624
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: because he can't catch passes. At least last year he couldn't, right,

625
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: and Jack McKinnon and Clyde Edwards Hilaire combined had twelve

626
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: receiving touchdowns. McKinnon might start off slow, this is what

627
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: they've done the last couple of years, like limit him

628
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: early on, but come the middle of the season on

629
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: they just let him go as their third down back

630
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: and everything. So he's the one that I like the best.

631
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: But I am a little bit scared that Ch is

632
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: not completely gone yet.

633
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: That's my fear, right, is that this is suddenly gonna

634
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: be the Cech breakout year, because that just feels very

635
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: read of Andy right, just to like make something like

636
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: that happen all of a sudden. I'm with you, though,

637
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: I think McKinnon is probably the safest play just because,

638
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, the value of targets being what

639
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: they are, He's the guy that's going to get most.

640
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: Of them out of that backfield.

641
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: There The other thing that could really mess this up

642
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: is a healthy Cadarius Tony because he's gonna I know,

643
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: I know that makes you so happy.

644
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: I know that makes you so happy.

645
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: But when he's healthy, he's gonna get a lot of

646
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: those short targets and they'll let him use his athleticism

647
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: to make things happen. Those short targets that go to

648
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: Tony means they're not going to McKinnon or Cech or

649
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: even Pacheco occasionally. But I think j Mack is the

650
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: guy that I like the most. On the other side,

651
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: and this one, to me is maybe even more confusing,

652
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: the Eagles they go out in the trade for DeAndre Swift.

653
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: They signed Rashad Penny to a relatively small contract. I

654
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Speaker 1: think he has like six hundred thousand dollars in guaranteed money,

655
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: which you know, for an NFL team really isn't much.

656
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: And then there's Kenneth Gainwell, who's just steady, ill, reliable

657
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: hanging around there. So between Swift, Penny and Gainwell, who

658
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: are you targeting.

659
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: I could be completely wrong on this, but I feel

660
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: like DeAndre Swift is the best bet. And that's not

661
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: saying a whole lot I really struggle to think that

662
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell is going to all of a sudden come

663
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: in and lead this backfield. I think that he has

664
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: a role as a pass catcher and stuff like that,

665
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: but DeAndre Swift is a really good pass catching running

666
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: back as well. He is explosive on the ground. I

667
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: think Rashad Penny is the best pure runner of the three,

668
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: but his preseason usage, like playing deep into the first game,

669
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: then not being held out at all week two and

670
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: still getting carries with them, that is concerning to me.

671
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: And I don't know if maybe he's competing with Boston

672
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: Scott for a spot on this roster. But DeAndre Swift

673
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: started week one, got the first six snaps, and they

674
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: pulled him. They rested him in week two. To me,

675
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: that seems to indicate that he is the starter here

676
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: and he is the highest ADP, but he is still

677
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: the one that I'm most likely to drive.

678
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: Swift is the one that I probably have drafted the most,

679
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: and he's the one I want part of the reason

680
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: though I asked this question. Bo Wolf, who writes for

681
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: The Athletic and covers the Eagles, was asked about this

682
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: and he said some things recently that were sort of

683
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: eye opening in the sense that he believes that the

684
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: Eagles really wanted to be Swift. That's why they went

685
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: out and traded him. They want him to be that guy.

686
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: But he also said that due to the injury histories

687
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: of Swift and Rashad Penny, that it could end up

688
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: being Gainwell who ends up getting the most snaps in

689
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: this offense, just because he is the most reliable and

690
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: he's the most steady. The other thing he said that

691
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: was very eye opening is that Rashad Penny could either

692
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: go from you know, being a guy with a huge

693
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: workload and a big role in this offense to maybe

694
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: being cut just because they don't really owe him any money.

695
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: They could move on from him because he's a guy

696
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: who who just has never been able to stay healthy

697
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: in his career. So I think Swift is probably the answer.

698
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: But I also think if you're drafting Swift, you're certainly

699
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: not drafting him as your RB one, and you probably

700
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: want to make sure you get another running back shortly thereafter,

701
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: just as some potential insurance. I ultimately think this backfield

702
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: is going to be really, really frustrating. It doesn't matter

703
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: for the Eagles because they're good enough to win regardless

704
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: of who I think they have back there. They still

705
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: have Jalen Hurts, but for us fantasy geeks, they're going

706
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: to be a real big headache all season long. One

707
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: more just for our producer, Hythan Klaani with the Bears,

708
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert, Rashawn Johnson or.

709
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: Forman, Yeah, who.

710
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: Khalil Herbert for me, no doubt about it. I think

711
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: I think he's the best runner in this backfield. And

712
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: then you add in that they say he's been working

713
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: as a pass catcher. I think as an RB three

714
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: he brings I don't want to say league winning upside,

715
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: but certainly upside to be like a player that you.

716
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: Start each and every week. No, I love Khalil Herbert.

717
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: I've been draft I think him on a lot of spots,

718
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: so I think he's an easy call for me there.

719
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: I think Deontay Foreman is a He's like a Kirkland

720
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: David Montgomery, which is fine, it's not great. And Rashaun

721
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: Johnson I think is a nice sort of backup piece

722
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: if one of the other guys gets hurt, then he

723
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: gets an opportunity there.

724
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: Back to the NFC South.

725
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: Looking at the New Orleans Saints, Andy Dalton was your

726
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: top quarterback there last year one hundred and eighty three

727
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: point two points QB twenty two, Alvin Kamara two hundred

728
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: and eleven points RB sixteen. Chris o'lave just shy of

729
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: two hundred points. He was the wide receiver twenty five.

730
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill your top tight end in New Orleans one

731
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five point eight points the tight end

732
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: nine and driving people crazy.

733
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: All along the way.

734
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: In the offseason, they lost Andy Dalton, mark Ingram, Marcus Callaway,

735
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry, and Adam Troutman. They go out and they

736
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: add Derek kr Jamal Williams, and Foster Moreau. In free agency,

737
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: they draft Kendram Miller and Jake Hanner because apparently they

738
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: haven't in fact situation with Fresno State quarterbacks. First off

739
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: the board a Chris o'lave, who's going to the kind

740
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: of mid to late second round. We love Chris o'lave.

741
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: We're drafting Chris o'lave. We all expect a big year

742
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: for Chris o'lave. What about Michael Thomas? I know our

743
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: pal Patrick Claybonn is big on can't guard Mike this year.

744
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: How are you feeling about Thomas?

745
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: I have him ranked as like a wide receiver four,

746
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: but he's one of my favorite wide receiver fours that

747
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: I want to try to target. The issue is I

748
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: like a lot of like like Kadarius Tony. Sometimes I

749
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: have to decide between him and Thomas, and I do

750
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: take the shot on Tony. But the only concern I

751
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: have with Thomas's health, right, and it makes sense in

752
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: the last three seasons he's played ten games like that

753
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: that is concerning. But the last time we saw a

754
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: healthy Michael Thomas, he was literally setting NFL reception records

755
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 2: and going for almost eighteen hundred yards, and I don't

756
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: think he has that anymore left in the tank at

757
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: over thirty years old. But I think he could be

758
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: the chain mover, for seen, the possession guy where Olave

759
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: is going to be the big play that take the

760
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: top off the defense and we're excited for him for

761
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: all the right reasons. Thomas, on the other side, could

762
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: be that chain mover, the possession guy who could flirt

763
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: with you know, ninety two one hundred catches. I think

764
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: if he stays healthy, which again is a big if.

765
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, this offense is different than before when

766
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: Sean Payton was there, when you could expect that Michael

767
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: Thomas was going to get one hundred and sixty one

768
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy targets and put up ridiculous numbers. I

769
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: don't think the number of targets is going to be there.

770
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be more vertical. I think

771
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: they sort of cater to Olave. So I think whatever

772
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: you get out of him because of where the ADP is,

773
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be fine. I think he will

774
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: live up to that. I don't see some big revival

775
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: coming for Michael Thomas this season where we're like, hey, man,

776
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: I drafted him as a wide receiver for when he's

777
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: a wide receiver too, Like, don't I don't see that happening.

778
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: So at ADP, I'm willing to take some shots on him,

779
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: but I'm also not expecting like ridiculous video game type

780
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: numbers out of Michael Thomas this year.

781
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: How much interesting you haveing Kendra Miller.

782
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: Now that we know Alvin Kamara is out for three games,

783
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna miss the first three games of the season.

784
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: There was a lot of interest in Miller late in drafts,

785
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: early on when we didn't know about Kamara's suspension.

786
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: How much interest do you have now?

787
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: Not a whole lot. I know Fantasy Twitter is still

788
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: pushing him like, I'm not gonna tell you he's not

789
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: a good player. I agree with all of that, But

790
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: where is his touches going to come from? Because from

791
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: Week four on, Alvin Kamara is going to be Alvin

792
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: Kamara like, he is going to get a lot of

793
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: the running back targets there, He's gonna get a lot

794
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: of the groundwork. Jamal Williams is never gonna go away.

795
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they invested money into him. He's gonna

796
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: be their short yardage guy. He also is a back

797
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: that can be used in the passing game. Kendre Miller

798
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: to me, seems like this could be like a red

799
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: shirt type of season for him. They'll they'll definitely sprinkle

800
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: him in, get him some touches. But I to me,

801
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this as like next year and beyond

802
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: is when I want to be excited for Kenjre Miller.

803
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: I just don't think there's enough volume for three running

804
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: backs on this backfield.

805
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: I don't think there is either.

806
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: He was a guy that I drafted early in draft season,

807
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: was kind of a late round pick, thinking, Okay, look,

808
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: let's say you know, let's say Kamara suspended for six games, right,

809
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: you get Ken Dramiller in the beginning of the year.

810
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: Maybe he carves out a little bit of a role,

811
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: and obviously if someone were to get hurt, then he

812
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: steps in there. Now it really is a hey, if

813
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: someone gets hurt, maybe Ken dram Miller gets a role,

814
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: and that's not enough for me to make that draft pick,

815
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: at least in most leagues.

816
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: Maybe if it's a super deep league, I would do that.

817
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: I would definitely hold on to him in dynasty if

818
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: you've made that move. But I think in terms of

819
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: this year, I just unfortunately don't see a whole lot

820
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: of pathway to him getting production outside of somebody there,

821
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: either Kamara or Jamal Williams getting hurt this year. Derek

822
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: Carr last year QB seventeen if I remember, properly higher

823
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: or lower than QB fifteen for Derek Carr at the

824
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: end of this season.

825
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Higher He's one time in his career been a top

826
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: fifteen fantasy quarterback in points per game A couple of

827
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: times he's like back end his way because of volume,

828
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: and and that's what I think it'll take if he's

829
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: gonna be top fifteen this year. It's gonna take a

830
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: lot of the quarterbacks getting drafted ahead of him getting hurt.

831
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: Stuff like that. I have no interest in Derek Carr.

832
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 2: To me, he is as boring as boring can get.

833
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: His ceiling is being a high end QB two. I

834
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: will take Desin Ritter, Jordan Love, and I have Car

835
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 2: ranked ahead of them, but in my drafts, I'd rather

836
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: just wait and get one of these younger quarterbacks that

837
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: have some rushing ability. To me, the biggest thing about

838
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: Derek Carr going to New Orleans was what he means

839
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: for Chris O Love a Michael Thomas, Alvin Kamara rather

840
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: than like, all of a sudden, I'm gonna get excited about.

841
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: Drafting Derek Carr. We know who he is. Oh yeah,

842
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: we've seen this movie. We sort of know who he is.

843
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: And honestly, I would say maybe a push. I think

844
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: QB fifteen is that's probably about his ceiling. He's he's

845
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: a guy who's a nice streaming option if the matchup

846
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: is right, you're not starting him at you you know

847
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: very well he may not get drafted in a whole

848
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: lot of fantasy leagues.

849
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: He sort of is who he is. But I'm with you.

850
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: I think the consistency at quarterback, I think he sort

851
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: of brings the best of both worlds from Andy Dalton

852
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: and Jamis Winston. You know, he may be a little

853
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: more accurate than Jamis was, maybe a little more aggressive

854
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: than Dalton was, But it's not enough for me to

855
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: really get fired up about Derek Carr at this point

856
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: as a fantasy quarterback. Last one the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

857
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: who made some news obviously earlier in the week by

858
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: announcing Baker Mayfield as their starting quarterback. But last year

859
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: their starting quarterback was a guy named Tom Brady. Don't

860
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: know if you've heard of him. Two hundred and eighty

861
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: zo point seven points, QB twelve. Leonard Fournette, who is

862
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: still unsigned right now, at least as of us recording

863
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: this two hundred and twenty seven point one Fantasy points,

864
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: he was the RB twelve, So apparently Lombardy Lanny's not

865
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: totally washed yet. Mike Evans two hundred and twenty five

866
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: and some change. He was wide receiver seventeen. Kate Atton

867
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: your top tied in Tampa at ninety three point one

868
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: Fantasy points.

869
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: He was the tied end to twenty six.

870
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: Big losses from the offseason, Tom Brady decided to hang

871
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: him up again, maybe for real this time. Geo Bernard

872
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette gone, Julio Jones, and that Cameron Braid. In

873
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: free agency, they bring in Baker Mayfield and Chase Edmonds.

874
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: They draft Payne Durham and Trey Palmer, a couple of

875
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: late round draft picks in the offensive skill position side

876
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: guys that I don't think are going to make an

877
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: impact this year. First off the board Chris Godwin early

878
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: in the fifth round. So we know that Baker Mayfield

879
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: is going to be the starter. He has been named

880
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback for twenty twenty three, but Kyle Trask

881
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: certainly gave him a run for his money in training camp.

882
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: So even though we know who it's going to be,

883
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: who would we have liked it to have been? Are

884
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: we cool with it being Baker Mayfield or would we

885
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: have preferred to see Kyle Trask get a shot at

886
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: that job? I have?

887
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: Or do we have a strong feeling at all.

888
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't have a strong field that I have just

889
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: been an avoid all around because I thought it was

890
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: hilarious when people were like, well, Brock Party came out

891
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: of nowhere. Maybe Kyle trust can too, and I'm oh,

892
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: so we're just gonna do this with every late round

893
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 2: quarterback now because one of them was good and Baker

894
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: we've seen Baker. I was excited for Baker when he

895
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: came in the league. That rookie year was fun. Since then,

896
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: it's gone from mediocre to bad. And I don't know,

897
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: there's a lot of talent on this offense. I'm not

898
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: excited to draft any of it.

899
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but real though, Jake Han's gonna be

900
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: the next big thing. I don't know that. I have

901
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: no idea, but I will say that Hayter has played

902
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: very well in the preseason. I will give him credit

903
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: for that.

904
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: I guess I wanted to see Trask just because I

905
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: wanted to see something different. And it's that desire for

906
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: the unknown that we have so much in fantasy, where

907
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: we have seen a guy and he has sort of

908
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: underwhelmed and been unimpressive for a long time, and it's

909
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: just maybe a desire to turn the page. So that

910
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: to me gave me a desire to see Kyle Trask

911
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: get the starting job there. But in the end, I'm

912
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: not sure it matters ultimately who it is throwing the football.

913
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: And look, just because Baker is the starter right now

914
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean Baker's going to be the starter all year long.

915
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: We very well could see Trask before the season is over,

916
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: so who really knows there. That being said, they've got

917
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: two very high level receivers, guys who have performed at

918
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: a high level in their careers in Mike Evans and

919
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin. Which one of those guys do you prefer

920
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: this year? I know you said you're out on the bucks,

921
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: but you know you had to pick one, who would

922
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: it be?

923
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: It would be Chris Godwin. I know he goes a

924
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: little bit earlier than Mike Evans, but we've seen Baker

925
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: Mayfield really struggle to elevate outside wide receivers who win downfield.

926
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: I mean Odell Beckham Junior's dad was.

927
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: Cutting up learn Final Cut Pro to get him out, to.

928
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: Get him away from Baker Mayfield. And then we saw

929
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: Odell kind of revitalize his career once he was freed

930
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: of that. Godwin a le lines up often in the slot.

931
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: But one thing that I don't think we're paying enough

932
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: attention to with this Bucks offense is for years, how

933
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: much like forget that Tom Brady was the goat and

934
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: he's much better than Baker Mayfield. They have been such

935
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 2: a high volume passing attack. Last year they literally set

936
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: the NFL record for pass attempts in a season. Baker

937
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: Mayfield averages five hundred and forty five pass attempts per

938
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: season as a starter. Todd Bowles has averages below six

939
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: hundred as a coach, with and without Tom Brady. So

940
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: to me, I think the volume, like we could see

941
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: these guys go from one hundred and fifty targets per

942
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: year like they've been around, to somewhere like one hundred

943
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: and fifteen to one hundred and twenty. And that is

944
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: a huge loss from one year to the next.

945
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: It really is.

946
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: I have been saying that I think this is the

947
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: year that the thousand yard streak for Mike Evans comes

948
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: to an end. I don't see the volume. I don't

949
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: necessarily see a ton of quality targets. I would say

950
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: this because even before Tom Brady got there, like Jamis

951
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: Winston was good for that wide receiver room because he

952
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: was great at throwing yolo balls. I don't know that

953
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: Baker is gonna be the same. I don't know that

954
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Transk is going to be the same. And I

955
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: think this is an offense that's going to struggle to

956
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: move the football.

957
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: They're going to.

958
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: Struggle to score a lot of points, and I think

959
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: the wide receivers are going to struggle as a result

960
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: of that. I guess I would go with Chris Godwin

961
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: just because I think it's easier to sort of manufacture

962
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: targets for him and get him opportunities. But I don't

963
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: love either of them. I don't know that I've drafted

964
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: any of them in any spots this year. Just because

965
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I just am very hands off about

966
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. So, having said all that, as I take

967
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: a deep breath and sigh audibly into the microphone, how

968
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: are you feeling about Rashad White?

969
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: He is a popular pick on fantasy what it really

970
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: is people love him. He is my biggest fade this season.

971
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm hard out on Rashad White. One. Everything we said

972
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: about the Bucks offense not being as high powered as

973
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: they have been in past. But the argument is like,

974
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: look how many passes went to the running backs last year. Well, again,

975
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: they are not gonna throw the ball as much as

976
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: they did last year. We could get I think easily

977
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: one hundred fewer pass attempts in last year. It's possible

978
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: we get close to two hundred fewer pass attempts than

979
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: they did this past year. Plus Tom Brady is the

980
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: goat at many things, throwing the ball to the running

981
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: back is probably the biggest of them all. Every year

982
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: he is leading the league in dump off passes, and

983
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: if it's not him, it was Matt Ryan and he

984
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: was number two. But he's also extremely efficient at doing so.

985
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield has never been that quarterback. I understand last

986
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: year it went up his pass attempts to the backfield.

987
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: I like to think that's because half of his games

988
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: were on an offense built a round a running back

989
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: passing attack to Christian McCaffrey, and then when he went

990
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: to the rams, his top receivers were Van Jefferson and Ben'skronic.

991
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 2: I think context matters here a lot. Then you add

992
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: in the fact that there's gonna be more three and outs,

993
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: more stalled drives plus. Okay, maybe think Rashad White is

994
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: a better runner than I'm giving him credit for. He

995
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 2: had the fewest percentage of runs go for ten plus

996
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: yards last year, so he's not explosive. I'm not willing

997
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: to count on volume. And what if they signed one

998
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: of these running back sets out there everyone is saying, Oh,

999
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: there's no one else in this backfield. I have been

1000
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: fooled enough by mediocre running backs on bad offenses thinking

1001
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: that volume will propel them to me. I think he

1002
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: might be this year's Chase Edmonds.

1003
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: He really could be this year's Chase Edmunds. I'm not

1004
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: excited about Rashad White. I mean, I guess I just

1005
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: keep saying I'm not excited about the Buccaneers offense.

1006
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: I think he was.

1007
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: Everybody talked about how inefficient Leonard Fournette was as a

1008
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: runner last year. You make the argument that Rashad White

1009
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: was even less efficient than Leonard Fournette was last year.

1010
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: He was not efficient as a pass catcher, not great

1011
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: after the catch. The offense got measurably worse at the

1012
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: quarterback position. That's the guy who's supposed to be kind

1013
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: of the point guard and funnel all these opportunities.

1014
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: There's just not a lot to be excited about Rashad White.

1015
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: I know that Fantasy Twitter has really tried to make

1016
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: a case for him and stump for him. And look,

1017
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: if I am wrong, I will come on this show

1018
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: and tell you that I am wrong. But I am

1019
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: not excited.

1020
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 3: About Rashad White.

1021
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: So I'm glad we got to end the show on

1022
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: such an upbeat note. That was wonderful. Here Anyway, I

1023
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: mentioned we're gonna have some big guests coming very very soon,

1024
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: starting next week, hopefully a couple different guests. A notable

1025
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: analyst who if you are in the fantasy space, you

1026
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: will know this name, and a former player who if

1027
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: you are old enough, you will certainly know that name

1028
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: as well. So we'll look out for that. Should be

1029
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: a whole lot of fun, and we'll keep going with

1030
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: our previews. We have the AFC and NFC West to

1031
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: finish things out. In the meantime, I'll do it for

1032
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy,

1033
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: safe and healthy, do good and live well, enjoy the

1034
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: preseason games over the weekend, and we'll talk to you

1035
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: next week.

1036
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: Count help Bob, don't help, h