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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Barry Church, Anthony dor Set, De Montree
Speaker 1: More and Newly Scrugs.
Speaker 3: Here we are Players Lounge on a Tuesday, the Players
Speaker 3: Day off. We are here at the Star, and Frisco
Speaker 3: guy Anthony dor Set got Trey Moore on new He
Speaker 3: scrugs and at some point in time Barry Church will
Speaker 3: come in.
Speaker 2: Listen you know, so yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, yeah, so, so Church is vacant, vacant, but you
Speaker 4: know we're going to start the show anyway.
Speaker 2: Do that.
Speaker 3: The Washington Commanders lost last night, said the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 3: remain in second place in the nfcast.
Speaker 2: How about that? How about that.
Speaker 5: They always get the fortunate.
Speaker 6: Being so fortunate to being in such a weak division
Speaker 6: from time to time, you know what I mean? And unfortunately,
Speaker 6: like you said, the Commanders lost lash.
Speaker 2: Who did you pick last night? Trey went with Washington
Speaker 2: to win twenty eight to twenty one.
Speaker 7: You thought that was funny?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I want the Manders, I thought, Marioto
Speaker 4: was gonna give me a little luck like he did
Speaker 4: last time, but it didn't work out that way. You know,
Speaker 4: I gotta, I gotta, I do the difficult, stride for
Speaker 4: the impossible and coming back in this little race right now.
Speaker 7: It's very's this mindset.
Speaker 2: It's over.
Speaker 7: It's not over. The picks over, keep playing, what do
Speaker 7: you say? Keep playing? It's over.
Speaker 3: But hey, I'm glad you're here, all righty guest speaking
Speaker 3: of here. Barry Church is now founded. They into the studio,
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Speaker 2: New era man.
Speaker 3: Right let you trying to be like Clearance here?
Speaker 8: Why looking for you? How come you get to wear that?
Speaker 8: This is nothing? This is it ain't new error nothing,
Speaker 8: this is the rival. So I can't you know that's
Speaker 8: ride break down.
Speaker 3: Bring that brand up, bring that you can't wear your
Speaker 3: hat man stops, get out of me.
Speaker 7: You ain't gonna get called me what they say? Know
Speaker 7: what you can do?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Over the Derek understands what this is.
Speaker 7: We're not doing that.
Speaker 4: We're not doing that right there, audience. I know we
Speaker 4: have all this Greek unity and slender but I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you, I like this I'm having to talk with Well,
Speaker 4: if he get away with this hat, I'm bringing mind, it's.
Speaker 5: Some favoritism fight. I've never seen it.
Speaker 7: Man, I'm telling you we all nineteen eleven. Well you
Speaker 7: just snitched.
Speaker 3: I mean, it can't beat them like that when you
Speaker 3: tell me, tell him how that that that shirt.
Speaker 2: You're wearing right there, you look like that white got
Speaker 2: mixed in a little bit. But man, that got crazy.
Speaker 2: Who watched that? Hodd?
Speaker 7: It did? My son? My son?
Speaker 3: Just I mean's tell the truth right now. This shirt
Speaker 3: you're wearing right now, you know that White's tell the truth.
Speaker 3: You see it, You see the color.
Speaker 2: Is not right. Were talking about the white on there,
Speaker 2: the white on.
Speaker 7: There, it's not white.
Speaker 2: It's not white no more.
Speaker 4: My son, My son is six years old. Man, he's
Speaker 4: he's been excited. He's like, hey, mommy, I want to help.
Speaker 4: I want to do laundry. And so in the laundry
Speaker 4: power with the cleaners. Of course he threw everything in there,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, my shirt got a little you know, hey.
Speaker 5: Man, but it don't matter how old is your son.
Speaker 4: He wanted he was over there really trying to get it.
Speaker 7: He made me bad.
Speaker 2: If I'm not letting, I'm just gonna let it take
Speaker 2: the round for your six year old? What I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do that for you're talking about I like to look.
Speaker 4: Good exactly, you better watch out. My wife is a
Speaker 4: a k An. That's when I get the picking girl.
Speaker 4: So it goes both ways. I'm not tripping. Hey, I
Speaker 4: got many of I tried to be a k Yes,
Speaker 4: I did know you didn't know you did not? Yes,
Speaker 4: I did try to be their only brother.
Speaker 9: Pittsburgh. You know, yeah, he relaxed real quick question.
Speaker 10: Sure, but you know it's way off topic. We've been
Speaker 10: off topic, dude. You guys you've lived in Texas for
Speaker 10: a long time. You've lived in different three different times.
Speaker 10: Worn raise I have When you're driving on the highways,
Speaker 10: do they not teach down here that the left lane,
Speaker 10: the far left lane is the you know, the passing lane,
Speaker 10: the lane that you're you know, going a little faster
Speaker 10: and than the rest of the lanes. Because it felt
Speaker 10: like every time I'm driving, you know, here comes this,
Speaker 10: Why are you in the left lane? You if you
Speaker 10: cruising ten below? It just happens all the time. I
Speaker 10: don't know when you're late like you were trying to
Speaker 10: get down the street.
Speaker 2: And you mad and everybody and going.
Speaker 3: Down I'm telling you where you were going church. They
Speaker 3: were popping people for tickets. I didn't see a couple
Speaker 3: of casts people would tickets. You got to know when
Speaker 3: they're popping for tickets and people gonna try and get
Speaker 3: a little slow for a minute. Because at that point
Speaker 3: where we were at over there by that little mall
Speaker 3: they were, they were there was some further up.
Speaker 4: Three about to say, you don't. First of all, everybody
Speaker 4: knows everybody speeds in Texas.
Speaker 7: Open away.
Speaker 4: If somebody's going slow in that far lane. It's very
Speaker 4: rare that somebody's messing up. But majority of the time
Speaker 4: the cops is over there. So you need to be
Speaker 4: what you say, warning comes before destruction's lucky man.
Speaker 2: And then your head on the swivel.
Speaker 3: Today man said you you just left a little I
Speaker 3: know what you did.
Speaker 2: And it was a little bottleneck too.
Speaker 3: I felt for you, man, but I heard I was
Speaker 3: I know what happened to him, Man, popo out here
Speaker 3: a little bottleneck and then yeah, got.
Speaker 2: To get oh yeah, that's what you know, they're coming.
Speaker 3: You need to you need to just leave a little early.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow man, I got you tomorrow man. That's all good. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: So we were talking about the Commanders losing to the
Speaker 3: Cowboys or second.
Speaker 2: Place, second place Cowboys, and here's a good thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: we go, it's a good thing.
Speaker 3: What makes it so good They got a losing team
Speaker 3: coming to town and that's what that's who the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Can beat these days.
Speaker 10: Wows possibly ever heard you.
Speaker 4: Ever heard like a backhanded comment like, hey, how's that
Speaker 4: little job you got over? There?
Speaker 7: Ain't nothing a little about my job? Is he said?
Speaker 7: He said? That got.
Speaker 4: He said. A losing team is covered and that's the
Speaker 4: only But it's a it's a harsh truth, is urt you.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're losing squad.
Speaker 10: But then you know news because you know Callamary is
Speaker 10: coming back this week, you know, and he hasn't lost
Speaker 10: in Texas.
Speaker 2: I don't even win the last time.
Speaker 5: Life and a lost right.
Speaker 3: If but if it's if, it's gonna happen. This is
Speaker 3: the time. This is the time. Okay, you're coming back
Speaker 3: from injury. It could be a little rusty. They're too
Speaker 3: INTI and this you you have to win this game, cowboy.
Speaker 3: You're back home. So they play well at home. You've
Speaker 3: been embarrassed. You know, one more time, crack got cracked,
Speaker 3: got cracked up. I mean one hundred and seventy nine
Speaker 3: rushing yards the Denver Broncos had on the average one.
Speaker 2: Six point four.
Speaker 3: So it seems like, you know, like the Chicago gotta
Speaker 3: watch you get beat down, we gotta talk about you.
Speaker 2: Then you're gonna rise up. But this is the kind
Speaker 2: of team they beat.
Speaker 5: This is numbers on them.
Speaker 7: Can we can we let's go, let's go to those
Speaker 7: get for you.
Speaker 2: Here's a number.
Speaker 3: I guy got beat by Tennessee though they did, but
Speaker 3: it double didn't lead.
Speaker 10: That's why my boy fumbled across the gold line. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 10: but you know, but I will say this about Arizona.
Speaker 10: They do fight. They do fight each and every week.
Speaker 10: And when you look at the losses they've had, they
Speaker 10: lost with five in a row. I believe I think
Speaker 10: the largest margin of you know, their loss was maybe three, three,
Speaker 10: four five points. So like they're in these ball games
Speaker 10: each and every one. They don't know how to finish
Speaker 10: and they don't know how to you know, close out
Speaker 10: and get the W. Which is good for Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 10: But this is a team where you can't just hey man,
Speaker 10: we got this.
Speaker 2: They gonna fight you, man.
Speaker 4: That's arguably be said about the Cowboys as well.
Speaker 7: And not finishing anything.
Speaker 2: It's the truth, that's true.
Speaker 3: The Packers beat them twenty seven twenty three, then the
Speaker 3: Colts beat them thirty one twenty seven. The game were stayed,
Speaker 3: they were in control the Titans, and they lost the
Speaker 3: Titans twenty two twenty one. They had to lead there,
Speaker 3: lost to Seattle twenty three to twenty point game.
Speaker 6: They gonna fight, but they James Connor with that running back,
Speaker 6: but he's he got her early season. He is one
Speaker 6: of the leaders of that team.
Speaker 3: Lost to the forty nine Ers sixteen fifteen. All good
Speaker 3: team lost to the Panthers twenty sev twenty two. What
Speaker 3: I'm saying they lost to Kellen Moore in the Saints
Speaker 3: twenty twenty thirteen. Dog so so he won't fight you.
Speaker 3: But they're losing team, so like they don't know how
Speaker 3: to close the shit.
Speaker 2: That's fact. The Cowboys at home, they score they score
Speaker 2: more points at home. You get you can't lose this one.
Speaker 10: Like last week against Denver, I would say that they
Speaker 10: got out coach, out play and the talent you just
Speaker 10: saw the gap between Denver and the Dallas Cowboys. The
Speaker 10: depth that Denver had to be able to lose the
Speaker 10: defensive player of the Year and still be able to
Speaker 10: lock down on the outside like the talent. You know,
Speaker 10: gap between those two teams was was massive when you
Speaker 10: saw it out there, you know, an unfold.
Speaker 2: But this is a game where I gotta say, you
Speaker 2: gotta be the more talented team, at least offense.
Speaker 10: You you you you leaps and bounds above what Arizona
Speaker 10: got over there. So this is you've gotta Yeah, offensively,
Speaker 10: they're leaps and bounds better than what the downs.
Speaker 7: Over overall team wise, though.
Speaker 6: Overall team, the defense is like going to you know,
Speaker 6: Arizona averages twenty two points a game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the defense is always going to affect the Cowboys average.
Speaker 2: Ye actually be what has.
Speaker 7: Been the Cowboys kryptonite this whole year.
Speaker 2: Everything the defense.
Speaker 4: But when the mobile quarterback, we're talking about another mobile quarterback,
Speaker 4: and not just any mobile quarterback. We're not talking about
Speaker 4: somebody that's Caleb Williams getting into the folk. We're talking
Speaker 4: about established pretty good when he's firing. He's one of
Speaker 4: the top guys when he's being affective when he's effective
Speaker 4: on the run and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: Effective this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that he's good like he has Okay, he
Speaker 4: has his moments of when Kyler's playing at his best.
Speaker 4: Would you not say that some people have him as
Speaker 4: a in the top half of quarterbacks if you said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I put him around and so with four fifteen.
Speaker 4: So fourteen to fifteen if he's hitting on all cylinders,
Speaker 4: maybe a little bit higher. But with that being said,
Speaker 4: you have a Cowboys defense the struggles on keep a
Speaker 4: contained on the run that has struggled against multiple mobile quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: like they revived Russell Wilson's career, Like his best game
Speaker 4: this season before he got he lost his job was
Speaker 4: against them. So now when you're coming in with a
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray that's coming off of injury, never lost here
Speaker 4: and talking about, hey, the Cowboys are going to get
Speaker 4: people that fluff game where it's like, hey, you're back
Speaker 4: into the fold. Oh, Kylamaray and the Cardinals are doing
Speaker 4: things now.
Speaker 5: Hey, Martin Harrison Junior had a big game.
Speaker 10: Yet he played well a couple of games. Yeah, he
Speaker 10: played well on a couple of well, but not not
Speaker 10: he ain't he ain't doing with pickings or anybody.
Speaker 4: But he's still But this could be the ga he
Speaker 4: comes out because you know, the Cowboys always let receivers
Speaker 4: come out here and do their things. The league neighbors
Speaker 4: Marcus Golden, like, you got these guys that are coming
Speaker 4: out here that are establishing themselves. So I hope this
Speaker 4: isn't the Marvin hair this game where we say, hey,
Speaker 4: this is why you were top five pick.
Speaker 10: And it's not only Harrison man, you got a Tray McBride,
Speaker 10: to me, is the biggest threat they got.
Speaker 2: Offensively from from a now here.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing about McBride right now, they're leading receiver,
Speaker 3: but he got his numbers, most of his numbers while
Speaker 3: Murray was out. So the other quarterbacks have been getting
Speaker 3: in the ball. And as far as Marvin Harrison goes,
Speaker 3: here's a guy taking top five in the Dragon got
Speaker 3: one touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had the drops early on this season for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean you're talking about games with San Francisco three catches,
Speaker 3: Seattle six catches, Tennessee four catches, Indianapolis two catches, Green
Speaker 3: Bay two catches.
Speaker 2: Dude, this is this is brother.
Speaker 4: It's scary, but like you brought up everybody always had
Speaker 4: the coming out party against Like, hey, I'm here now,
Speaker 4: career high. You got you got Rico coming there here
Speaker 4: saying career high.
Speaker 7: Somebody had a career high last week.
Speaker 10: Uh, rookie had another rookie.
Speaker 4: Like, these young guys are coming out and establishing themselves.
Speaker 4: So for me, yeah, I'm not really as much worried
Speaker 4: about what Marvin can do. I'm more so worried about
Speaker 4: that man that's undefeated in at And but you're.
Speaker 10: You're also not dealing with a Denver defense, like a
Speaker 10: good team. Yeah, like like Denver had that team, they
Speaker 10: can put complimentary football offense, defense can smother you, Arizona's
Speaker 10: not that you.
Speaker 6: Said something a little bit ago and like you said
Speaker 6: that Denver basically, well it sounded like you were saying
Speaker 6: Denver had a better offense than the Cowboys, and like
Speaker 6: when you go man for man, I can't say that
Speaker 6: that's actually the truth. Besides, exactly had a much better
Speaker 6: game plan. Now structurally going into this game on paper, Okay,
Speaker 6: who looks like they have the better team the Cowboys
Speaker 6: we already know on offense, See like they got the
Speaker 6: most talent on offense, all right, now, is it going
Speaker 6: to be a situation where through schematics and through play calling,
Speaker 6: they play themselves out the game, you know. And and
Speaker 6: then when we look at the defense right now as
Speaker 6: we're trying to figure things out, and and and this
Speaker 6: is one thing I wanted to because I asked you
Speaker 6: about the twenty two he.
Speaker 7: Got AI.
Speaker 6: Based off what we've seen on as far as with
Speaker 6: the defense goes. You know, the communication, and man is
Speaker 6: one thingy because there's not a whole lot of communication there.
Speaker 6: We know that, all right, But what we're seeing is
Speaker 6: this lack of communication in the zone courages, guys not
Speaker 6: getting to the proper depths, and drops not not being
Speaker 6: in the proper place, and in like what curled the
Speaker 6: flatter or zone drops or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 6: So you know, we're hoping that whatever communication has has
Speaker 6: to change, you know, and we've already heard it's changed
Speaker 6: one time or two times already. But structurally, something has
Speaker 6: to get better. Like this week we talked in the
Speaker 6: chat about Flues and him being able to return. It
Speaker 6: has to be a to make sense at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, even at the end of the season,
Speaker 6: we keep giving up one hundred and fifty yards every
Speaker 6: game rushing and then over three hundred yards passing. I
Speaker 6: understand that you know he doesn't have the, as we say,
Speaker 6: the tools to make everything happen, but at some point
Speaker 6: in time, like I don't know if I could be decordinator,
Speaker 6: but I think I could structure some things around the
Speaker 6: talent that I do have and try to make some changes.
Speaker 5: And that hasn't happened.
Speaker 10: And to me, what he needs is he gotta find
Speaker 10: and you would think you would find this out off
Speaker 10: season and training camera. He gotta find it like a
Speaker 10: quarterback of that defense because, like you said, the communication issues.
Speaker 10: It's like when you don't know too much about the defense,
Speaker 10: so you're afraid to speak up and say, may I
Speaker 10: don't want to make the wrong call.
Speaker 5: And then you're thinking that you're playing anywhere.
Speaker 10: Exactly like man am I supposed to this. You gotta
Speaker 10: find and we talked about this early on. I know
Speaker 10: you don't may not have that out for that dog leadership,
Speaker 10: but you gotta find a quarterback of that that defense
Speaker 10: that can get everybody at least on the same page.
Speaker 2: If you're all wrong, you're all right wrong.
Speaker 10: But if half of it, you know, defenses playing cover
Speaker 10: two the other half is playing. Man, that's when these
Speaker 10: explosive stuff happen. You got to be on the same page.
Speaker 10: And right now, I don't know who that player could
Speaker 10: be for this team. That could be that quarterback with
Speaker 10: so many moving pieces of people being in and out
Speaker 10: and hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: All the time that he's had.
Speaker 2: Let's get a break in here, get break in here,
Speaker 2: Kyler m.
Speaker 3: All of duty got a foot problem. So let's see
Speaker 3: how I come believe with that. We had questions about
Speaker 3: Matt flu here. Jerry Jones spoke on the defense today.
Speaker 7: On the radio.
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Speaker 3: comes to the defense, Jerry Jones on his radio show
Speaker 3: I Won to five three to Fan Today said, quote,
Speaker 3: it's not as bad as it looks, but it also
Speaker 3: has a lot of room for improvement for us to
Speaker 3: be where we want to.
Speaker 2: Be on defense, you room for improvement. So, guys, is
Speaker 2: it as bad as it looks?
Speaker 7: He says?
Speaker 2: Jerry says, no, it's not as bad as you think
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: The Broncos giving getting one hundred and seventy nine yards
Speaker 3: on twenty eight carries averaging six point four yards carry R. J.
Speaker 2: Harvey with you know, career hides and touchdowns. JK. Dobbins
Speaker 2: Rising from the Dead fifteen.
Speaker 3: Carries one hundred eleven yards, averaging seven point four yards
Speaker 3: of tote boat Nickson threw an interception on his first ride,
Speaker 3: ended up with four touchdowns on just nineteen completions.
Speaker 7: It's the way you read it that makes it sound
Speaker 7: so horrible.
Speaker 5: Four toshdowns on nineteen completions.
Speaker 2: That's talking about efficient. What you up.
Speaker 3: Or, as Trey says, get busy.
Speaker 10: He was getting busy but this defense does look as
Speaker 10: bad as it as it looks on tape, because when
Speaker 10: you look at it defensively, you can't give offenses both ways.
Speaker 10: Like you got to be able to shut down something,
Speaker 10: take something, take something away. And what we've seen so
Speaker 10: far from this defense is you can get him with
Speaker 10: the pass, you can get him with the run. And
Speaker 10: that makes it impossible to play defensive National Football League,
Speaker 10: like you got to go into each and every game saying,
Speaker 10: all right, we're gonna take this fastt away from the offense.
Speaker 2: They might be able to burn us with the other one,
Speaker 2: but you're.
Speaker 10: Not gonna rush for two hundred or you're not gonna
Speaker 10: throw for three to fifty. The Cats have been able
Speaker 10: to do both things against the Dallas Cowboys this entire season,
Speaker 10: and when you look at it, it's not like, man,
Speaker 10: you know they're putting up a fight. Look, man, we're
Speaker 10: seeing guys wide open for ten yards separation.
Speaker 2: You know, we're seeing mental errors.
Speaker 10: We're seeing coverage bus left and right, guys not you know,
Speaker 10: fitting up the run responsibility.
Speaker 2: And this is week going on with we ate. I
Speaker 2: mean it's week nine.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, this looks bad. Man, well, this looks bad.
Speaker 3: Jerry also said this talking about the past rush group.
Speaker 3: Quote in terms of numbers, in terms of players that
Speaker 3: can rush the passer, we've got the best numbers we've had.
Speaker 2: Hold On what since when?
Speaker 7: Hold on? He said?
Speaker 14: Who?
Speaker 2: He said?
Speaker 3: Quote in terms of numbers, in terms of players that
Speaker 3: can rush the passer, We've got the best numbers that
Speaker 3: we've had. Bo Knicks was not sacked on Sunday.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm trying to figure out when is he taking
Speaker 6: the best numbers they had since win?
Speaker 2: Just people designated the rust of pass and I gotta.
Speaker 6: Be today the only way with that Jedi mind trick.
Speaker 5: Don't believe your lying eyes. Just listen to what I'm
Speaker 5: telling you.
Speaker 4: The only reason that he can even come close to
Speaker 4: sing that is as a whole that everybody has a
Speaker 4: sack on this D line versus where it used to
Speaker 4: be only maybe Michael Parson and maybe one other person
Speaker 4: had a sack, and then you didn't have that because
Speaker 4: you have more than four guys that have a sack.
Speaker 4: So maybe he's trying to say that, but those numbers
Speaker 4: are not there. Like I would rather take Michael Parson
Speaker 4: being top three, top five in the in the NFL
Speaker 4: in sacks versus one sack here, one sack here, three
Speaker 4: point five sacks, like, don't stop taking more of victories
Speaker 4: Like that's what I hate when we come out here
Speaker 4: and we say, oh, we're doing this and doing that, Like, no,
Speaker 4: you're not. That's a moral victory. You're talking about those
Speaker 4: numbers are there? This defense is atrocious. Now in that
Speaker 4: same regard, if you saying that you're it's not as bad,
Speaker 4: you know how it is as defensive player, what is
Speaker 4: that saying that coaches always say it's never as bad
Speaker 4: and it's never as good. Let's go in here, watch
Speaker 4: the film and do that. With that being said, it
Speaker 4: is technique error. And with those techniques you can fix
Speaker 4: that real quick to where you say, hey, we're right there.
Speaker 4: But when you're consistently having those technique errors, that's when
Speaker 4: it's like, hey, it's no longer a little problem. That
Speaker 4: little problem of that boat has flooded everything and it's
Speaker 4: just something as simple as them running acrossing route. And
Speaker 4: then you see the inside line, the nickelback bumping off
Speaker 4: with the outside corner right there, and you have somebody
Speaker 4: wide open. Yes, it looks like he's wide open. But
Speaker 4: that was just simply you having bad eyes. But when
Speaker 4: you got to fix these little details, so instead of saying,
Speaker 4: hey we're one play away, say that we're consistently bad
Speaker 4: technique away. Like don't sit there and try to say, hey, it's.
Speaker 5: That trays right.
Speaker 6: You know, Technique stuff is things that and then unfortunately,
Speaker 6: like to honesty, to get to that technique and everybody
Speaker 6: out there who's never been inside the locker room or
Speaker 6: been on the team before, you only get so many,
Speaker 6: so many hours throughout the course of the week to
Speaker 6: wrap certain things to rep your defense. And so with
Speaker 6: that and then having scheme problems and communication problems and
Speaker 6: everything elseide that there's no time and structurally for the
Speaker 6: people to actually work on technique the way that they
Speaker 6: probably should. And so you're going to continue to have
Speaker 6: those same bad habits while you're trying to get communication
Speaker 6: right and scheme right and all this other stuff. And
Speaker 6: the technique takes the back door to everything.
Speaker 4: And let me ask, y'all, let me lay this up,
Speaker 4: because I know it's the D line, and I say, hey,
Speaker 4: it's easy for us to go straight. Eberflu's defense is
Speaker 4: like this, but I know for us during the off season,
Speaker 4: we're going we're having the pass rush retreat, We're doing
Speaker 4: our cross chops and stuff like that. The off season
Speaker 4: is where it's really at as a dB. And yes,
Speaker 4: we talked about the past rush, but we've also been
Speaker 4: talking a lot about the dds. How much do y'all
Speaker 4: feel that that technique should have been addressed by ebra
Speaker 4: Flus and what's going on right now? Or should this
Speaker 4: been something during the summer, Like how Digs wasn't here
Speaker 4: and it was like, man, maybe if he was in
Speaker 4: the building, we could have been learning this schematically. If
Speaker 4: he was here leading the young guys, you could have
Speaker 4: did that. What do y'all think?
Speaker 5: I definitely think that.
Speaker 6: In Church will tell you once you get to the pros,
Speaker 6: you're accountable for your own technique, all right, And.
Speaker 5: So depending on what draft you are, a lot.
Speaker 6: Of times you can have bad technique and still get
Speaker 6: away with certain things as long as you still making
Speaker 6: plays or you're athletic enough to overcome your bad technique, right.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, yes, you have
Speaker 6: to work on that stuff in the off season. I mean, like,
Speaker 6: for example, and we talked about we talked about ag.
Speaker 6: AG was one of the dudes that if you ever
Speaker 6: saw his footwork when he played ball, Glenn has some
Speaker 6: incredible footwork. And there was a point in time where,
Speaker 6: like in the off season down here in Dallas, where
Speaker 6: you would have guys like ag because I'm saying, dudes
Speaker 6: that were like A and M you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: and it was And then you would have Dion and
Speaker 6: a bunch of other dudes like the start of Mars
Speaker 6: and all these dudes getting together to go. We would
Speaker 6: like find a field somewhere and go get that field
Speaker 6: work in and just work on like your feet, your hips,
Speaker 6: your trade, your leverage, and just trying different things. That's
Speaker 6: where you actually going to get to learn if this
Speaker 6: technique is gonna work compared to a quick step here
Speaker 6: or false.
Speaker 5: You know, just just a bunch of different stuff.
Speaker 6: And so unfortunately, you know, I, like you said, Diggs
Speaker 6: was hurt during the offseason, not gonna get a lot
Speaker 6: of technique work, you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean.
Speaker 6: But the one thing I do know about this, and
Speaker 6: y'all know this as well as I do, this is
Speaker 6: the strongest muscle in your body. Okay, you could play
Speaker 6: mental reps all day. My dad used to tell me
Speaker 6: all the time, Anthony, visualize yourself playing the game. Visualize
Speaker 6: yourself playing the game, visualize yourself making plays, and that way,
Speaker 6: when it actually comes to fruition in the game, it
Speaker 6: comes like second nature, right, And so you can correct
Speaker 6: things up here. Your brain doesn't know the difference between
Speaker 6: the mental and the physical rep So you can play
Speaker 6: the game up here all day long and fix things
Speaker 6: to where.
Speaker 5: They actually come to fix when you actually get out
Speaker 5: on the field.
Speaker 6: It just has to be a conscious effort in that
Speaker 6: area on a consistent basis to make it happen.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and when you look at it the last time,
Speaker 10: I'm trying to think about when this secondary, you know,
Speaker 10: had a guy in there that can that really was technical,
Speaker 10: technique sound and got the most out of the secondary
Speaker 10: and player wise to.
Speaker 7: Me was Gilmore.
Speaker 2: You know when he was in here, and.
Speaker 10: You know Diggs was on the opposite side, he's a
Speaker 10: technique guy, like he wasn't just trying to out athleticism
Speaker 10: everybody on the football field.
Speaker 2: You know, he went.
Speaker 10: You could tell he was reading the formation, all right,
Speaker 10: this is coming. He was running the round before the
Speaker 10: ride receiver was running the round. Because you know, film
Speaker 10: study and all that I just don't see. And I
Speaker 10: granted a lot of the people the secondary are hurt
Speaker 10: right now, a lot of them, But in the beginning
Speaker 10: of the season and leading up to when they got hurt,
Speaker 10: you didn't see that. That just communication, not just knowing
Speaker 10: from this secondary. I mean, it's it's not it's like
Speaker 10: they're not playing as a unit. It's just like individuals
Speaker 10: out there. All right, I'm gonna try to do me
Speaker 10: all here. You know, I don't know how he's gonna
Speaker 10: play it. When you've been a part of good secondaries
Speaker 10: and I had the four should to be a part.
Speaker 2: Of a couple of them.
Speaker 10: You know, everybody's strengthen weaknesses. Okay, I know, and cover one,
Speaker 10: he's gonna lock up. But in that zone he might
Speaker 10: have his bad eyes a little bit, so maybe I
Speaker 10: should favor that corner a little bit more. Or at
Speaker 10: the safety he's he doesn't really, you know, cover good,
Speaker 10: so I may have to lean towards him as a
Speaker 10: linebacker to help out a little bit.
Speaker 2: And this one, this is what I'm.
Speaker 10: Seeing so far, and I could be wrong, but what
Speaker 10: I'm seeing so far is there's just a bunch of
Speaker 10: individual play and nobody's playing as a unit out there,
Speaker 10: and that's why you see these explosive players that you
Speaker 10: see in the paste.
Speaker 4: You give me an example, like who you play with
Speaker 4: or Okay, so like y'all were able to communicate without communicating.
Speaker 2: Ward Dallas, I think it was the year.
Speaker 10: Year was probably twenty sixteen where clave Borne was playing
Speaker 10: at an all time high. But we had the Vets myself,
Speaker 10: Brandon Carr was out there, Orlando Scandrick, like guys who
Speaker 10: knew the game at from a mental aspect and they
Speaker 10: can get those mental reps left and right.
Speaker 2: And then when I went to Jacksonville, same thing.
Speaker 7: Boy.
Speaker 2: Now, granted the talent was unbelievable.
Speaker 10: You had Boy, Yeah, you had Ramsey, you had Covin
Speaker 10: and the so the talent was different.
Speaker 2: Than what they have here.
Speaker 10: But still communication and working as a unit doesn't really
Speaker 10: You don't really have to be the most talented group.
Speaker 10: You guys all got to be on the same page.
Speaker 10: And you don't see that here right now.
Speaker 6: And as a safety and you know this, like I
Speaker 6: do man like and safeties, we take it serious to
Speaker 6: be there for our corners, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like if I tell you I'm gonna be in the
Speaker 6: deep middle.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be in the deep middle, all right.
Speaker 6: And then so like and I had an opportunity to
Speaker 6: play with guys like Charles Woodson, Eric Allen and everything
Speaker 6: like that, and it could be a situation where like
Speaker 6: down the distance we run in certain coverage and I
Speaker 6: can let them know, a look, right now, I'm coming
Speaker 6: down hard on your inside, so make sure you get
Speaker 6: like over top real quick because I'm jumping this inside route,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. And that type of communication
Speaker 6: goes on, you know, like as we're watching film study.
Speaker 5: Too as well throughout the course of the week. Hey man,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take that right there.
Speaker 6: So like when we get in the game, remember or
Speaker 6: are we gonna communicate this and everything else like that.
Speaker 5: So, I mean it goes to say, like.
Speaker 6: The communication is a big part of it, and sometimes,
Speaker 6: like you said, the communication can override the talent as
Speaker 6: long as we are able to like get in the
Speaker 6: situation and understand what we're doing before the play actually starts.
Speaker 3: So the question was asked, do we see Matt Iberflus
Speaker 3: back here next year. Let's dive into that question next.
Speaker 3: We'll have different answers on it. On that question when
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Speaker 2: Matt Eberflus was brought up in the chat. Do you
Speaker 2: see him back next year? I will?
Speaker 5: I want you all to go ahead, becase y'all play
Speaker 5: for him?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I'll jump it out since I had the
Speaker 4: luxury of playing for Eberflus here and at for a
Speaker 4: short stint in Indianapolis, and what I will say, Let's
Speaker 4: let's take it a step further. Let's forget about eber Flus.
Speaker 4: We got to remember this is the Dallas Cowboys. We
Speaker 4: find out every Tuesday what Jerry says, what he thinks,
Speaker 4: and most likely ninety nine percent of the time is
Speaker 4: going to happen. He's already said that this man, this
Speaker 4: is what he wants in a foxhole. When Jerry has
Speaker 4: his guys, it's been known he's already said that he's
Speaker 4: going to be out there. And also with that being said,
Speaker 4: owners GM's majority of the time when they go into situation,
Speaker 4: they know what they're doing. They like, we said, what's
Speaker 4: the analogy that you use newly? You have a carpenter,
Speaker 4: he gotta get his tools. Well, guess what we know
Speaker 4: that Ebra hasn't been playing with a full day and
Speaker 4: for him to be his talent grown in locally. I'll
Speaker 4: give you a example. How many times have people sat
Speaker 4: here and said, why is killing Moore doing with the things?
Speaker 4: Besides Barry Berry's the only one that was like, hey,
Speaker 4: he deserves to be here and earned that right. But
Speaker 4: time and time again people said, hey, what did you do?
Speaker 4: How did you do that? Well, what he has done
Speaker 4: and now we're gonna pivot it a little bit further.
Speaker 4: It's no longer about Jerry. That's why he'll think he
Speaker 4: will be there. But schematically wise, it's a fourth three
Speaker 4: why his system is there when he has a QB
Speaker 4: of that defense, like you said, it has been it's
Speaker 4: been effected. When he had a Sean Lee, when he
Speaker 4: had a Vanderbush, when he was even at Indian and
Speaker 4: he had a Shaq Leonard that was over there. These
Speaker 4: guys have shown to go make it. And then he
Speaker 4: had somebody on that d line that was making it work.
Speaker 4: You had Stefan Gilmour in the back that was able
Speaker 4: to coach those people up. But the Forest Buckner d
Speaker 4: Law that was here. So with all those being said,
Speaker 4: him not having a full tool deck, him making with
Speaker 4: all the chaos that's going on from Arson is being traded,
Speaker 4: to people being on your starters, being on ir and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, he's making do with what do Now
Speaker 4: that's a different one.
Speaker 3: Okay, So so you saying, yes you got, I'm with
Speaker 3: Trey on this one.
Speaker 10: I do believe he'll be back in the in the
Speaker 10: with the Cowboys because, like Dre said, the carpenter has
Speaker 10: to have his tools.
Speaker 7: I mean, when we're.
Speaker 10: Looking at it right now, he came in here, I
Speaker 10: would believe he thought, Okay, I'm going to have parsons,
Speaker 10: I'm going to have this game record. Well, well you
Speaker 10: don't have parsons. We looked at this last game. You
Speaker 10: know who they were playing with in the secondary on
Speaker 10: this defense, and with all due respect, you know, you
Speaker 10: got a guy, and I believe his name was Clark,
Speaker 10: you know, undrafted rookie, free agent as a safety. You
Speaker 10: got a bunch of pieces that well, I don't want
Speaker 10: to call him castos, but they they weren't.
Speaker 2: They weren't.
Speaker 10: They're just kind of just you know, jags, you know,
Speaker 10: just you know, just another guy out there, and you
Speaker 10: know they they're playing to the.
Speaker 2: Best of their ability.
Speaker 10: So I just I want to see him with a
Speaker 10: talented group of men out there and not saying, you know,
Speaker 10: I've that sounds kind of crazy, but I just want
Speaker 10: to see him with a little bit more talent on
Speaker 10: our defensive side of the ball to see what he
Speaker 10: can do. But if they continue to have this historically
Speaker 10: bad run, it's gonna be kind of hard for him
Speaker 10: to be around.
Speaker 6: Okay, So you got yes, yes, yes, no, so so
Speaker 6: And I know who Jerry is, just like y'all do.
Speaker 6: I'm learning, okay being in the building, and of course
Speaker 6: it's watching over time.
Speaker 5: Now I hear everything that he's saying.
Speaker 6: About Eva Flus being in the Foxhole with him, and
Speaker 6: and like you said, he hasn't had the opportunity to
Speaker 6: do with dan Quinn was able to go out and
Speaker 6: actually get some guys. Okay, that being said, even still,
Speaker 6: you're gonna have to make it make sense, okay, And
Speaker 6: if flu stays all right, who's going to go because
Speaker 6: there's like, okay, we talk about the players here, So
Speaker 6: if Flues didn't pick the players, so who in personnel
Speaker 6: got these guys in here that are that we're saying
Speaker 6: are not up to part at this at this point
Speaker 6: right here. So if you're equipping a team, you don't
Speaker 6: equip a team with subpart talent, regardless of who your
Speaker 6: coordinators or coaches are.
Speaker 5: All right, So that.
Speaker 6: Being said, Okay, if he gets the chance to come
Speaker 6: back rightfully, so he thought he had Michael Parsons here, Okay,
Speaker 6: and I understand that, And that's a you know, like
Speaker 6: the whole thing let it go.
Speaker 5: You can't let that go, all right, you can't let
Speaker 5: that go.
Speaker 3: So I hear what you're saying. But this comes back
Speaker 3: to this organization, right And so.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying, Like he ain't going like Jerry's
Speaker 6: not gonna fire his GM.
Speaker 2: We definitely know that ain't happen, so he's not firing.
Speaker 3: So they This is something that when Michael Lombardi before
Speaker 3: he went back to go be the GM for the
Speaker 3: of North Caroline off of Belichick, he always says the
Speaker 3: Cowboys overrate their talent. He said, that's one organization they
Speaker 3: fall in love with guys. They overrate their talent. And
Speaker 3: the Cowboys clearly overrated the defensive talent this year. And
Speaker 3: when they brought in eber Flus, Wall will make this work,
Speaker 3: that work whatever.
Speaker 2: It's certain point in time. You can't lie to yourself
Speaker 2: no more.
Speaker 6: Everybody can't have the same monoculars here looking through the
Speaker 6: same length they do.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 5: And that's the unfortunate side of it, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 7: You know, I.
Speaker 2: Frustrated we used to it.
Speaker 6: And so like so so you know, like and and
Speaker 6: and being like a fan of the Cowboys and playing
Speaker 6: against them for years and everything else like that, like
Speaker 6: there's always been this thing. And I'm and just for
Speaker 6: everybody knows, I'm just a fan of good football, period.
Speaker 5: It don't matter what team it is. I like watching
Speaker 5: good football.
Speaker 6: And and and unfortunately watching this consistently and and Okay,
Speaker 6: so there has.
Speaker 5: To be you can't keep this whole thing the same defense.
Speaker 6: No, so, so something is going to but.
Speaker 4: There's going there's like coaching staff if I tell you
Speaker 4: like that, in my opinion, if the coaching staff changes,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be because Flutes wants somebody else in here,
Speaker 4: Like it might be a position coach or something like that.
Speaker 7: But I still I still don't see that right now.
Speaker 4: I feel like this is one of those moments where
Speaker 4: you're going to go in and implode the whole side
Speaker 4: of the defense to make this Like, hey, what do
Speaker 4: you need to make this make the guys fit? I
Speaker 4: feel like with these guys at best that they have
Speaker 4: on this roster right now, a lot of them.
Speaker 7: Are system guys.
Speaker 4: A lot of them are made for somebody to scheme up,
Speaker 4: like a Donovan Wilson, Like love him to death.
Speaker 7: He's a hard player and a hard hitter.
Speaker 4: But your your scheme, guy, Like I'm gonna put you
Speaker 4: in there that box safety, keep you right here in
Speaker 4: the perfect scheme.
Speaker 7: You can be a god.
Speaker 3: Go back to the conversation we had earlier this week,
Speaker 3: but we talked about how many starters you got on
Speaker 3: this ded they can go with me. So we counted
Speaker 3: two of the possible, and your second possible ain't.
Speaker 5: Gonna be here.
Speaker 3: That's traylon On Diggs. Okay, so you got two in
Speaker 3: the possible. So you Kenny Clark defensive tackle, Ron Bland
Speaker 3: corner who both are under contract. You got olso diggi
Speaker 3: zo Wo signed a big contract, so you got those three.
Speaker 3: After that, you're really trying to build everything else on
Speaker 3: this defense. Everything if you're for being straight up on yes,
Speaker 3: So when you say what's going to change, that roster
Speaker 3: got to change. I don't even know about the coaches
Speaker 3: yet because I guess the thing I would say, this
Speaker 3: talent we're looking at it.
Speaker 2: Can you really judge somebody as a coach.
Speaker 6: Well, we talk about communication being bad, like, okay, so
Speaker 6: Flus is the DC, so of course he's going to
Speaker 6: be with the whole defense.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: But then when we break it down into position meetings,
Speaker 6: that communication is supposed to be expounded, expanded, whatever words
Speaker 6: you want to use. It's supposed to be put out
Speaker 6: there in the right way, all right, It's supposed to
Speaker 6: be broken down.
Speaker 5: Guys are supposed to be able to start to understand.
Speaker 6: It goes from this to now, your position got and
Speaker 6: if your decordinator can't communicate it.
Speaker 5: To you, right, maybe a position coach can.
Speaker 6: So with this lack of communication and understanding, yeah, like
Speaker 6: this is going to have to be somebody to come
Speaker 6: in and speak exactly where Flus is speaking, so the
Speaker 6: communication could be right on all levels.
Speaker 7: Let me ask you this. Then, with that being said,
Speaker 7: who would be the guy?
Speaker 4: Because when I talked to guys that he said he
Speaker 4: don't have a problem with me putting his name out there.
Speaker 4: When I talk to Richard Sherman and say, hey man,
Speaker 4: what do you think about the Cowboys?
Speaker 7: What's going on?
Speaker 4: You know who y'all got at the secondary? Oh, he
Speaker 4: was over there with us with legion of boom. He
Speaker 4: was getting us right, Like, if they trust him and
Speaker 4: do what he says, they'll be doing right. No, not
Speaker 4: flu the secondary coach, I can remember his name. Whoever
Speaker 4: the secondary coach is. Shearm was able to stamp him,
Speaker 4: like you have multiple guys around the league that have
Speaker 4: been stamping Shoddy and these other guys right here. So
Speaker 4: that's why for me is a player, I'm putting the
Speaker 4: onus on them, Like I get you saying the coaches, Like,
Speaker 4: if they go out there and get a whole new roster,
Speaker 4: then we could say, hey, y'all are this and that.
Speaker 4: But when you have guys that have proven it at
Speaker 4: a high level to say, hey, that guy is good
Speaker 4: over there, that guy, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 7: They're just not listening to him. It makes me look
Speaker 7: at them.
Speaker 3: David Overstreet is your secondaries and corners, and then you've
Speaker 3: got Andre Curtis, who's your defensive pass coordinator.
Speaker 4: Dray Safety. He was talking about Andre, but with like,
Speaker 4: it's I just can't help. But eventually, like I tell you, like,
Speaker 4: the players got to play, man, I don't see nobody
Speaker 4: whooping nobody, like the technique is there, so it has
Speaker 4: to start with them.
Speaker 2: But Tray, we go back to what we just talked about.
Speaker 3: Man, got like three dudes here, Okay, you got three dudes,
Speaker 3: and you can't beat nobody good, can't beat anybody good,
Speaker 3: and you're beating bad teams.
Speaker 2: Like, so Arizona's the game you should win. So you
Speaker 2: can tell you it's the players, But the players aren't
Speaker 2: that good? What it is?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 3: Some of these guys would they be playing for Arlington
Speaker 3: Minnigad's Okay, we're here.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: You know somebody's got good.
Speaker 7: So you got it?
Speaker 2: Not good?
Speaker 3: I mean your first round draft pick is a guy
Speaker 3: that you're looking at man every week like hed, But
Speaker 3: what was he doing here?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Just let me think about where you talk about man,
Speaker 3: You talk about Kenneth Murray. You look at Kenith Murray.
Speaker 3: Good thing you got some fan born He said, come
Speaker 3: on over here. I mean you right here, missing young Jack.
Speaker 3: Jack's backup is bad, dude, this is bad all over. Man,
Speaker 3: It's bad. So you have to go ahead. After the season,
Speaker 3: you're gonna say good bye to a whole lot of people.
Speaker 3: Just do what you did for.
Speaker 7: DQ.
Speaker 3: Let's just go ahead and figure who is it you need?
Speaker 3: What are the corners you want? That's where you go
Speaker 3: to Will McLay. Well, this is a list of who
Speaker 3: it is we want that fits this defense. If you're
Speaker 3: going to bring Eberfools back, but if you don't even
Speaker 3: bring it back, whoever you bring in, you have to
Speaker 3: do that solid to the coach, what do you want?
Speaker 3: Let us go get the kind of players that you need,
Speaker 3: because it's clear the guys that d Q will winning
Speaker 3: with and some of these guys are on this defense
Speaker 3: do not fit it.
Speaker 2: So that's just being straight up fair.
Speaker 3: And I go back to when this was when I
Speaker 3: covered the Lakers, when Phil Jackson came in. Phil Jackson
Speaker 3: went and found people immediately who knew what his triangle
Speaker 3: system was. Here's John Sally. John Sally's role was to
Speaker 3: go up here and tell Shaq what to do. John
Speaker 3: Sally was limited and what he could do a playing,
Speaker 3: but he wasn't asking him to play. He was asking
Speaker 3: him to teach. And every time he gets a garbage,
Speaker 3: Ron Harper, Hey, Ron, you go over here to Kobe
Speaker 3: show him what to do. Horace Grant, I mean he
Speaker 3: brought these guys in and it was effective. We saw
Speaker 3: a little bit with DQ. So Jack Sambourne knows his defense,
Speaker 3: but is he really a difference maker? No, he's been
Speaker 3: exposed because you also ain't got nobody else's lineback. It's
Speaker 3: about to get help, so just fix it in the
Speaker 3: off season. Making a trade right now not gonna help, Jerry.
Speaker 3: I've been talking on the radio show.
Speaker 2: We could do something, Jerry lying, Ain't nobody gonna help
Speaker 2: this thing.
Speaker 3: Man, Go beat your bad Arizona go try to get
Speaker 3: a bye wee go beat your bad raiders. Eagles come
Speaker 3: to town. Hold on for their life because the division games.
Speaker 3: See what you can do, maybe be like done the baby.
Speaker 3: This thing is, this thing has got too much trouble.
Speaker 2: You got to fix it.
Speaker 7: We had a time, all right, well.
Speaker 2: That time.
Speaker 3: It's forty five and I gotta get ready for another show.
Speaker 3: I do, man, I got never for another show. They
Speaker 3: don't pay over time.
Speaker 7: They don't pay over time around here.
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, no you got you got.
Speaker 2: A kid to go pick up?
Speaker 4: He is?
Speaker 2: What is? Players not talk to you more about.
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