WEBVTT - And, This Is How We Were Really Raised with Gavin's Sister Hilary 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.640 That is your correction, called out by his sister live 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:04.280 on TV. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.039 I've never doubted for one second that you always on 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:08.479 my back. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.520 They all think Dad left us millions of dollars, and 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.720 if he did, I where is my money? 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:19.040 Everyone erupted when they saw you just cheering, and Dad's 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.240 eyes started a water. I got emotional and he said, 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:23.320 I get it. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:26.880 This is Gavin Newsom. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:32.959 This is hilarinious. Nervous? 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:35.400 Am I nervous? Yeah? 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.120 Are you nervous talking to your sister about your book? 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:38.519 Well? 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.640 What I'm here to fact check? Is it? 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.280 You're here? Factor? What do you think of the cover 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:42.880 of the book? 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:44.760 By the way, you know what at first? 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:45.320 The truth? 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.600 Okay, I wish it was in color? 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.120 Wow? Sorry, what's wrong? You don't like CPI a tone? 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.640 I mean I think I'd like CPIO tone if I 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.279 had to like a camera and was doing some old time. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:57.800 What about the picture? What do you think of the picture? 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.360 I think the picture is good, that's it. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.600 What about the they had to up a lot young 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.000 man in a hurry? What about that? 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.520 I think I didn't. I think it's brilliant. It's actually 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.320 actually brilliant. But it took me a minute to understand 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:12.959 the title. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.240 And to this interview is going really well so far. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:16.200 I think we're done. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.360 I think we're done, except for the color. It's interesting. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:25.440 We had four color options, but they looked dare I 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:30.880 say slick? I know it's a word that never I 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.920 wasn't sensitive to that, and so they said let's avoid 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.360 the slick thing and went with the little spot. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.280 I wish you had shown me the options. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:42.960 No, no, there was maybe. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:44.559 We could do a recall the book and then. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:49.800 One with a puppy dog. Yeah, we did focus groups 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.160 the whole thing, and that I ran. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:59.080 Puppy dog. Please, I would have bought more than By. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.160 The way, what did you think? Did you do you 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.480 remember the otter in the book? I write about Potter, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.640 the otter my name, But you we photographs that we 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.680 remember it better, right because we have photos before. Oh, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:13.520 you weren't even around. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.359 I was in the belly. He nibbled on your toes 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:17.440 way too soon in. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.360 Because I have like actual baby photos with the thing 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.320 with the otter. Yeah, it's a good point. You didn't exist. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.720 There, no interesting and you talk about me existing then. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.680 I was just in the parts, but I wasn't in 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.399 a human being. Fully formed human. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.760 Yet so I write about because it's interesting. I did 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:37.720 nineteen I've done literally nineteen podcasts alone on the book. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:38.960 I've listened to all of them. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.400 You haven't even read the book. We're going to get 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.720 to that in a minute. Let's sad, I'm you have 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.880 not We're talking about the book and you have not 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.239 read it. You're not even half way through your First 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.720 of all, you're doing the audio version, which at four x. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:56.840 One two whatever, it's better with your it's actually nice 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:57.280 and swiet. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.160 We're going to get to that. But the Otter story, though, 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.600 that was the most No one cared about that. No 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.080 one's asked me about the otter. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.920 You know what's strange. On my TikTok, I don't have TikTok, 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.079 but on my Instagram feed now otters pop up. I've 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:12.040 never searched. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.560 It was the name of our otter, Potter well. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.240 Done, and dad had to literally teach him to swim. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:19.320 Potter did know how to swim. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.080 And no one believes that. So now you've validated my 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.680 story unless we are both lied to, and we're completely so. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:26.840 We have we have CPA photos. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.360 We do have photos of the otter. Remember back in 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.480 the day when you had like a chord and a telephone, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.320 and the Otter would literally jump on the phone to 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.040 knock the cord off and then carry the chord over 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.440 to you in the corner and then just hold the 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.240 cord and you spin it, and then the cord would 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.040 stretch out. You'd spin it and then it would start 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.920 to walk around all dizzy. That was like the Otters thing. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.840 Well, not having been alive, I'm not I can't. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.760 Validate that there is spinning there. You see this. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.920 Dad said that he would leave his keys half dang 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.240 out because Potter would come jump up, grab the keys, 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.080 hide him in the couch. That was like his routine. 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.880 Maybe that's why the divorce happened. His focus was on 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.440 the water when he got home from work and not all. 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.880 We'll talk about the divorce and how you created that. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.080 You started those conditions. You know, when I was around, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.120 things are going. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:22.480 Fine, just me, and fourteen months later you were all hill. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:27.240 Otter and I were just jamming, you know. Yeah, And 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.640 at one I remember him so vividly. Thank god their photos. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.200 It is about you being a savant, right, Yes, there. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:36.680 Is a little bit about that. But one of the 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.400 things about the Otter. Did you know that I was 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.479 named after Gavin Maxwell wrote a book called Ring of 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.279 Bright Water about River Otters, and that is why I 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.120 included fact the whole part of the Otter story in 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:48.559 the book. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.440 I know all about that. I was very clear on that. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.080 And your middle name is Christopher because Grandma Jean, I 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.400 didn't know this, wanted you to be called Christopher as 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.120 your first name, and was good. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.200 To nickname you taf tough for what like toffee. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.159 Or tafer touf toufer tough. I don't know. I'm just 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.320 telling you what I was told when we were little. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.400 This was not in the book. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.960 Interesting Christopher was that that was what they were They 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.880 wanted to call me. By the way, I was supposed 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:22.839 to be William A. Newsome the third or tenth or sixtietheenth, Yeah, yeah, 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.719 something crazy. They were like Bill Newso, Bill Newso, Bill Newsom, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:27.839 Bill Newsom, Gavin, I know. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.520 And you were really upset about it for a really 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.320 long time. And then I remember when you went ran 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.280 and won for mayor. You remember that, and the newspaper, 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.520 the Chronicle had in the biggest pont you could have 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.599 right across the front, just the word Gavin. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:43.800 Oh, I like that. 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:44.680 That's my point. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.440 And did you that's a good little headline. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.560 Of course I have it all. I just haven't gotten 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.240 around to clipping it and putting it in a book 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.760 for you. But that's maybe that's for your sixtieth But 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.080 literally I remember calling you and saying, aren't you glad 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.279 your name is not William. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:06.039 Like Bill with the next utility? Yeah? 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.640 Yeah, you, you and you and I. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.400 You're suggesting that that branding has helped build my that 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.120 was one of the successes. It's it, that's it. I 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.240 could have been called Potter. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:21.760 No, no, they already had they. I think Potter predated you. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.400 So when did you force our parents to get divorced? 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:28.160 When did you create the conditions where dad and mom 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.200 started to fight and the stress was so much he 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.400 took off? Why did you when you came along? What 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.520 were they? Were they particular attributes where they want to 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.680 talk about that? I think were you crying a lot? 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.800 I think you have been crying, being jealous of me, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.159 that you made their life so miserable that they Dad 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:48.159 said I'm out. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.920 I'm out. But it is interesting how you came along. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.480 I don't know. I just really that didn't really right 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.520 about this either, but it's like something that shouldn't be explored. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.479 I actually have a question for you. What that we 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.320 can get back to if you want, We'll do it 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.160 now because I don't have the same memories here. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.320 Okay, I got the editing on this show. 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.040 What are my royalties here? 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.480 By the way, you already this is pathetic. You want 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.760 marketing your own like this is the price of you 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:16.240 doing this? 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.679 And thank you? Wow? 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.080 Wow? So here we are? Is this when you found 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.000 out this was televised? Now that you now you brought 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.600 a product, took place, you know, just to pay and 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.400 not a large glass of vodka. I mean, I thought this. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.400 Is Vodkauy water. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:35.480 It's water. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.840 This company, we're bringing it to life in the. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.840 Fall, a new product. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.320 You too can have some legacy mineral water, American mineral water. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.119 It's American miniwater. I will get back to the water. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.200 How much you get back to things I didn't even 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:49.720 By the way. 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.000 I'm not even promoting I should be putting all my 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.640 damn probily. Thing I'm promoting is Trump's pads on my 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.360 Patriots site available on our patriots side. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.960 I thought Trump, I'd get the for Christmas. You didn't 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:01.320 wrap them. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.320 Well, those those are the new signature series. The old 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.080 ones had sold out, just like all our law firms. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.040 You know, I got a whole thing. It's law firms 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:13.360 and universities sold out. Corporate leaders. No, but that's in 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.800 that school. And by the way, come on the greatest 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.520 number twenty four Willie Mays and then look at those 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.120 two people. You know that we're going to talk about 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:21.960 that photo in a minute, but I want to continue 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.880 this conversation. It's some semblance of order. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.440 There's no order. This is chaos. I have to tell 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.040 a really great story about Dad that you didn't put 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:30.480 in the book. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.240 And I was disappointing, Wow, disappointed with the cover. And 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.880 now I'm disappointed you forced them to get divorced. But 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.760 we get you're not taking any responsibility. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.160 You're to my therapy. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.719 You could pay for it with the product placement of 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.640 legacy water available this. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.240 So I was upset one night and I said to Mom, 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:55.600 I want to go to Dad's house. And he had 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.160 a pi a tear in the city, remember, because he 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:57.560 was up in the. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.520 Accent very fast, you mean, and he had an apartment 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:03.439 in San Francisco. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:04.080 Get a terror. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.199 Who's the elite one? Why do I get that wrap? 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.360 So he had an apartment in the city. A mom, 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:12.680 you know, it was sort of fed up with me, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.000 and it was probably fed up with you. But she 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:19.000 dropped us off and at dad's apartment and what he 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.199 had a second or third bedroom and it wasn't furnished 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.600 well and I was kind of depressive. No, it was 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.559 actually there were three bedrooms in that California street. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.200 You remember that, Oh, I do remember that. That was 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.520 an actual more normal apartment. Yeah, and that was you 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.120 was supposed to live there more full time, right, yeah, right? 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.880 And so he I woke up the next morning. I 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.720 think you were there too, but for whatever reason, you 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.640 didn't need to have a lunch, because I guess you 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.000 were at NDV then and they probably had a cafeteria. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.360 I went to French American bilingual school and they didn't. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:48.960 And I said, Dad, you gotta buy me lunch. So 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.520 he took us to Safeway and he's like, what do 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.320 you normally get for lunch? And I said, you know, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.319 a Boloney sandwich. So he buys a loaf of wonderbread 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.400 and a pack of bologney, and I said, with mustard. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.080 He buys a jar, and I was and then I 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.199 started started to see I could get what I needed. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.080 I was like, ahwa, so we have chips and. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:09.360 Apple please. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.680 I am literally six or seven, let's say seven, for 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.839 the sake of arguments, And I show up at school 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.080 with the grocery bag. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.960 And I take out the grocery bag and I dump all. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.600 The contents out on the table on the teacher came 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.320 up and say what is this? And I said, my 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.800 dad bought me. It did occur to him being able 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:30.360 to assemble. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.280 It kind of sums up how we were raised by Dad. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.560 What do you say, boys and girls, here here's a 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:39.880 bolooney is when. 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:41.440 I got home, we had groceries for the week. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.040 So that's a good memory. See, I don't remember those 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.600 early days because he was kind of I mean, so 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.800 the what we do write about in the book, what 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.800 I do write about is the fact that they did 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.959 get They were separated when we were just really you know, 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.719 a year or two after and then officially whatever the 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:58.360 legal thing was. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:10:59.760 Yeah, none of us can't remember. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.640 And so he was a distant figure in those early years. Yep. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.880 And so for you to even remember back to your 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:12.280 little to Pala Francis nonsense French American bilingual school again 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.840 had a tear. I mean again, Yeah, that's the new 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.040 sum right over there that we all should be talking about. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.079 But that's interesting you remember those things. I don't remember 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.160 any of that stuff. Honestly, I don't remember any of 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:23.760 those days. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.800 And it's funny because I didn't remember when we did 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.680 the nut tree drop off and that you would literally 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.560 grab onto his legs and cry, screaming, and Mom, I 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.880 just saw the I do remember he was probably thinking 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:35.200 I got to get back to the fire for house 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:35.640 for dinner. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.920 In so this is when we got a little older. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.040 And I do write about that on I eighty and 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.360 one's from California. You'll know that Stretch and our dad 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.960 is living in Lake Tahoe, which is you know, three 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.840 and a half four and a half hours to penance traffic, 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.559 and so they would split in between San Francisco and 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.960 there to sort of do the drop off with the kids. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.640 There was no joint custody. Mom had us full time. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.480 That wasn't even a dispute. Dad was like, yeah, good. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.360 I know. You know that he initially fought for full custing, 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.199 which is hilarious, But he did. I think despite her. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.040 I think just and Mom always told me she, can. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:16.520 You imagine that, think of all the boloney. I mean, honestly, 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:23.640 I would. I'd be in my thirteenth stint of rehab, yes, literally. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.920 Living at Ramana's restaurant. I go, oh god, no, it's 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.880 It's interesting because she told me that the only reason 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.520 she divorced him because she loved him wasn't because he 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.560 was never around, et cetera, but it was because he 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:42.320 had financial problems after his two failed political campaigns campaigns exactly, 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.000 and she didn't want to be tethered to that and 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.440 she was sort of given that advice and that's why 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.400 she told me she divorced him. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.680 Okay, Well, she never talked about it with me, and 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:52.760 I talk about the fact she never talked about the divorce, 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.480 nor did he talk about the divorce. And the only 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.480 way I learned about it and wrote about it in 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.120 the book is I got that this Bankroft Library at 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:03.800 u C. Berkeley, an interview with Dad and his siblings, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.520 and there was like, I didn't even no one told 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.040 me about this. In fact, Mark Erics, who helped me 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.280 write the book, said oh, it's so. It was a 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.679 great I love listening to your dad, I said, listen. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.120 And where you didn't know about that? 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.320 No, no one to the book. Okay, thank you for 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:26.559 sharing what you know. That's great, brother and sister. Yeah, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.960 I didn't even care to tell your own brother about 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.440 why our parents never got divorced. But he said he 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.920 was broke and broken after losing the race for county 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.480 supervisor and then state Senate and then just had a 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.280 breakdown and just had to take off. Yeah, and you know, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.760 it sounds like that was it, though. Mom, I guess 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.280 agreed to it or didn't pursue him because she didn't 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.680 want to be tethered with no money. She's nineteen twenty 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:48.240 years old. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.800 She didn't want to be tethered to the debt because 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.760 I guess Dad was in debt and she. 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.800 Didn't want to a myth. They all think, they all think 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:59.080 that dad left us millions of dollars and if he did, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.520 where is my money? I did, where did you put it? 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.320 And take every time I finally broke into his safe 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.680 and it was empty, and I keep I can't make it. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.440 See, no one believes any of this, I know. Everyone 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.319 just assumes that we're going to get to why they 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.160 assume in a minute. And Mom the same thing. I mean, 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.960 she legitimately passed with I think you got a lease 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:18.840 in the car, and I got no. No, no, Mom 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.840 merkstock or something, Mom like five thousand dollars stock, which 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.840 I always kept five thousand bucks. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.040 But mom, Mom left us an apartment because she always 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.200 believed in buying property, which was smart. So she did 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.600 leave us a nice apartment. Yeah. No, And then I 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:35.160 took the car. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.120 Sorry, I want to you did take the cars. I 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:38.000 do remember the car. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.400 I didn't even know it was an old Mercedes. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.400 It wasn't all it was. It was one of those 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:45.520 very It. 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.320 Was not a Ga. No, it was definitely a Hilary. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.880 By the way, it fits for you, the Peditaire, the 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:56.160 French Mercedes. Okay, really, this is like this book needs 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.640 to be edited again. I gotta like update. So they 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.920 left and so moms. Look, she was nineteen when she 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.440 was pregnant with me and whatever, a couple of kids 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.880 on her own, and she came from a huge abundance 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.920 of wealth, right, I mean everybody she was quote unquote 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.840 according to my friends at Fox, she was a socialite. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:15.840 I forgot about that. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.240 Yeah, she was a socialite, a millionaire socialite. I guess 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:20.680 she is not an accurate picture of her. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.120 She must have been a socially before she married Dad, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.240 because I don't recall the socialite, and I have a 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.040 really good recall for our child. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.479 Yeah, she was neither rich nor a socialite. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.000 No, none of the above. The cutter ary, odd sort 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.360 of upbringing. However, she didn't put any of that on us. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.600 I'm which I'm super proud of. Like we we barely heard. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.160 I mean, if it wasn't for Cindy, we wouldn't have 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:42.760 known any stories. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.640 Well, then I write about that. I just write about 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.200 this sort of this house of secrets and learning. That's 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.920 why I call it a memoir of discovery. It's not 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.400 just that I go back and I'm like, oh, I 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:53.040 didn't know this. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.040 Even in our conversa, I didn't known. Is that true? Hillary? 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.760 Is that? Did that really happen? I'm like it did 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.520 it did? I was there, And honestly, it's interesting because 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:07.960 mom had a really intellectual family and incredibly brilliant family, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.440 but so much dysfunction and talented I mean Grandma Jean. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.600 Yeah I didn't. I didn't fully appreciate how objectively talented 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.359 in terms of just all these sort of Stanford professors, doctors, 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.920 you know, Elinas, Pauline's doctor, friends with Oppenheimer, all these 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.560 stories that we bring to life. And and you're right, 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.800 this deeply intellectual which I didn't really I always assume 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.440 to his dad's side, because you know, he was were 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.680 incredibly but because mom didn't share any of that, so 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.640 you wouldn't really know. I mean, she was, she read voraciously, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.040 but she wasn't quoting Yates. Her dad was like a 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.040 we are seamous heeny every hour. Jeez, not another seamous 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.440 any quote? Uh, you know, no, wonder I didn't read 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.520 any poetry growing up. Of course I couldn't read. And 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.600 that's what we're going to get too later. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.400 I'm not a great reader. Rather, that's why I'm working 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:52.880 on the book. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.080 It's you haven't even you refused to read it. You're 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.880 halfway through and you're at six x of my speed 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:01.160 of my voice. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.560 Yeah, no, I'm planning on reading it. I am excited. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.159 Well, I'm glad you prepared for this interview about the 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.000 book and what was accurate what was inaccurate in the book. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.320 But it's your opportunity to call me out. This is 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.680 the got you see. This is why I didn't want 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.480 to do the beginning of the book tour. I wanted 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.199 to the end. So you can then just sort of 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:25.200 scrutinize everything I said and say that's bs, that's not true, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.760 and then tell me, besides your hating of the cover, 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:29.680 what else you hated about the book. 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.080 I don't use that word. That feels really negative. I 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:33.640 was just. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.879 Mild like it, okay, just like it appeared. Our parents 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.159 madly disliked each other, so they got divorced, and he 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.000 went up there. And so do you remember what of 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.280 this besides the bolooney sandwich story? Do you remember any 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.920 other you know, like dad in those first ten years 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:50.480 of our lives. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.719 I know you outed me as a badwater in the book. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.120 You got the age wrong. I was not thirteen. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:57.639 Okay, well what did I say? 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:58.399 You said thirteen? 0:17:58.480 --> 0:17:59.119 No? But what it was? 0:17:59.160 --> 0:17:59.240 It? 0:17:59.280 --> 0:17:59.840 Then? Excuse me? 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:00.439 Welve? 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:01.159 Oh? Sorry? 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:02.440 Okay, three days? 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.679 Okay, wow, that was right before my thirteenth. Oh it 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:08.639 was okay, forgive me, just a major correction called out 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.520 by his sister live on TV. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.639 Yes, but I mean in and of itself, that's embarrassing. However, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.879 I did do the following and this is not this 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.919 is not kind, but I didn't know I wasn't being 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.399 kind at the time. But Dad periodically had girlfriends you 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.199 remember up in that yeah, the country when and uh, 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.960 I would go to dinner with them and we got home. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.920 I would, you know, at six seven years old, say oh, 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.600 I want to sleep with you to the lady, to 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:35.480 the lady. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.159 Right, got some stranger, Yeah, like just a torture. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:39.040 Yeah, no, I'm late. 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:39.600 You would do that? 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.560 Yeah, yeah. So Dad would go into into the other 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:43.560 room and I'd get into bed. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:44.600 Stop dude. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.359 And it wasn't like a new day, like someone that 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.000 I met three or four times, you know, and and 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.960 I went the bed. Oh god, I'm sorry that. 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:54.280 Was wanted to share this. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:55.600 Can we edit that? 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.400 No, it's too late. I'm going to add that into 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:58.639 the paperback version. 0:18:58.680 --> 0:18:59.200 Oh my god. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.320 Can you And I'll say you were twelve at the time, 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.399 thirteen when this started to occur. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.520 No, but I remember that. No, that was like when 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.639 it was six or seven. And I remember that the 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.080 next day thinking, you know, that didn't go well for Dad. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:17.200 Oh god, that back to no wonder they got divorced. Yeah, well, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.600 how could he handle that if you were doing that earlier? 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.880 Fel like I was intentional. I just remember those moments. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.560 I remember also a lot of time when we were 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.840 with dad. There was never any normal you're visiting your dad. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.400 It was we were out at dinners. It was dinner 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:36.000 ricos or ramonos orner, and it was a funderation. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.320 Did you ever have dinner alone with your father? Because 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.080 someone asked me not and I don't. I don't remember 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.000 as an adult. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.000 Oh a million times you did, well, because. 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:49.840 I never did, like by himself, like the two of us, really, 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.240 I don't recall. That was like an awkward thing for him. 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:53.960 It's interesting. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.840 So he would have you you guys, I guess would 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.320 be able to do that, and then I would be 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:58.960 the plus one or something. 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.359 Yeah, we did a lot, but really only in the 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.200 very end, near the end, when. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.480 He was with maybe yeah. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:07.879 I'd get home from where do we go to? 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.840 Because he was always with a cadre of friends. It 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.760 was always is And I write a lot about that 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.240 and all these guys and Malarkey and Mallin and Groza 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:17.439 and what we you know, these. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:23.040 Always with Mallin and Gordon five days ago. 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.119 I mean, yeah, so it's like the same old haunts, 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.440 the same yeah, like the washbag and getting a final final. 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.240 You mentioned Romano's restaurant, you mentioned Rico's, all these great 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.720 North Beach restaurants, which is so much part of the 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.520 book and the lore of old San Francisco. But it 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.000 was always around restaurants, It was always around friends. It 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.480 was sort of I'd say in the book, I said that, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:46.600 you know, drinking and storytelling go hand in hand and 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.720 sort of the old Irish construct. And and I think 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.160 my memories of him are, you know, as I got 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:55.480 a little older, was you're right, always in relationship to restaurants, 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.520 always relationship to dinner, and then to the extent and 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.439 then those sort of summer months would come with Friends 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.760 of the River, environmental defense. But again why we had 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.440 an Otter. He was sort of an intense activist and 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:15.000 environmental activist, environmental justice person. Loved but he talked about environment, 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.880 not just the CO two and greenhouse gases. It was mammals, 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.560 it was species, it was mountain, lions, mountain it was 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.119 you know, so it was tangible. It was about polar bears, 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.760 it was you know, it was always connecting with something 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.920 that for us was sort of visceral, including just beautiful 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.560 scenic rivers. I mean the friends of the river board 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.480 meetings that he used to bring us to, or at 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.840 least the auctions he brought us to, our memories. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.480 That I have. Yeah, I know it, and I think 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.359 it's interesting because I always thought Dad never connected with 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.720 domestic animals. But they did have a dog beer bomb. 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.120 Yeah, he was not much in the dogs. 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.040 Or No, it was a very you got. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.080 You made me have cats growing up. Pickwick was that 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:51.760 the name of the cat. 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.119 But Pinckwick was a stray that we just picked up. 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:55.480 Pickwic just came in. 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.479 Wasn't my jam Pickwick? Now that's maybe why. And then 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.399 we had Scoopy the dog, Snoopy. Snoopy didn't even make 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:01.720 it up. 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:03.920 Snoopy could didn't. That was a heartbreaker. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.160 A cocker spaniels, Yes, Springer spaniels happened. 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:10.680 So he ran out of the house. 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.680 Oh Jesus, I didn't write about that. I wrote about Snoopy, 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.159 but I didn't know what what happened. This is the 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:16.320 tragic story. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:17.200 It's a tragic story. 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:17.879 Back to the paper. 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:20.560 He ran out of the house. I ran after him, 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:25.040 and I said, bad Snoopy, and I, you know, patted 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.440 him on the nose a little bit. And the mailman 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:29.800 came up and said, you shouldn't hit your dog. And 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:31.360 I wasn't even hitting, you know, just like a light 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.080 tap on his dog. And he put his hand in 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.080 to pet Snoopy, and Snoopy bit them. Mom got a 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.200 phone call that night, I remember, and you know how 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.440 Mom answered the phone. Hell, she had the British accent 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.679 and answered the phone, which was so cute. I have 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:44.560 no idea where it came from. 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.040 I write a little bit about it. 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.199 We knew, we knew, we knew when dad was on 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.160 the phone because she's got oh, okay, I went from 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.399 But she got a phone call the next thing, you know, 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:57.840 Snoopy was rehoused. 0:22:58.400 --> 0:22:59.440 Rehoused. 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.280 He called it back then that's Mom said, there's a 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.000 Stanley that wants to adopt Sniffy. 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.080 I think were you devastated. I don't remember being devastated 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:08.480 by us. 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.240 I remember being devastated because I. 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:11.840 Was a young man in a hurry, so I wasn't 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:12.520 paying attention. 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.320 You were busy tearing up our backyard. Did I tell 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:16.639 you that I saw the house the other day. 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.720 Yeah, the house that we lived in that I described 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.280 in the book as one of our when we moved 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.200 to Marin in Corner Madera, this sort of smaller house. 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.560 Yeah, these red door I. 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.960 Literally had a white pick offence, like actual, real life 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:29.800 like offense. 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.040 Yeah, it was like a dream. And I slept in 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:33.360 the hallway. And that's all true. 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.119 Because it was a two bedroom. It was to you, 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:37.240 go on, I got one. 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:39.200 I slept in your hall of course. 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.240 Yeah. And Mom got one, which was not always a 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.119 course because we had a lot of homes where she 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.200 rent it out where she was living in the living room, 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.000 which we're going to get to a little bit about 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.840 how she made ends meet with a father was broke 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:56.480 and broken, uh, and didn't necessarily raise us nor financially 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.760 supported us or her to the degree that she would 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:01.879 have liked and maybe even deserved. 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.960 But she wasn't that way. She didn't demand anything, and 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:09.480 when Dad had any money to speak of, he was 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:10.560 good to her. 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.080 Yeah, he would try to help me. Sorry. Yeah. 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.119 I remember when on our way home from Dutch Flat, 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.280 we were driving home and it was Christmas Eve or 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.760 maybe the day before, and I said to Dad, did 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.199 you get anything from Mom for Christmas? And I was 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.080 with Robin. He goes, no, what should I get her? 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.320 Because she really wants a car? And not kidding you, 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.080 we pulled over at the Osmobile. 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.840 Oh my god, one nine seven TVH that was the 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:38.159 worst looking, ugliest purple, purple and purple was old smobile? 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:40.399 Mom was I. 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.000 And the license plate one nine seven? 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:44.760 Don't know TV? How do you know that? 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:46.679 Because I have a weird memory. That's a weird and 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:48.840 that's part of my little dyslexia, right, I have this 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:52.000 weird things. I can't forget one nine seven TV. 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:53.679 And I helped to pick it out. I was like, 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:55.639 it just has to be big enough for curple. So 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.160 Dad picks this monstrosity. Robin drives it back. 0:24:58.200 --> 0:24:59.920 By the way, is we go to Ay and Paul 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.560 we my aunt and uncle Annie, Paul Robbins my cousin. 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.280 And by the way, do you remember the Renault because 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.879 you were so French at the time, the light blue, 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:12.800 the light that could not get up the hill literally 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:14.760 you had to go the engine. You had to go 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.600 to the far right lane to get up the hill, 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:20.640 to get up so you could go down the hill 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.919 towards San Francisco. Going from Marin to San Francisco. It 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:29.159 literally was going forty miles an hour, brand new, brand 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:34.760 new car. I don't remember that license by blue. What 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:35.800 those were her cars? 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:36.000 Man? 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.680 That we were, we were rolling in it back. That 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:41.560 was the one surprise was Yeah. 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:42.919 That was khaki or whatever. 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.119 Well you got that was the end of her life, 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.600 you guys must have. Yeah, you had some windfall, you were. 0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:49.800 She was working for me, so it was making more money. 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:53.439 That's why she afford that. It was so bizarre you 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:55.800 called her testa in every meeting. I called her because you. 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:59.040 Can't be in a business meeting, of course you can't, 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.760 and then get hey, I mean that ruins the vibe. 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:05.920 You got it like a professional operation. No, Mom, help 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:07.800 us with the book keeping. No, it's like Tessa, why 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:08.879 don't you give the report? 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.880 And I would say, mom, respect, it's respect to call 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:12.280 her mother. 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.120 Well, that's a whole nother part. Who was again, young 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.159 man in a hurry? So I was. You know, I 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.159 talk a lot about how that fed up I was 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:22.720 and just focused on my own. 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:24.520 God, you know how much pressure that was on me. 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.960 I mean, really, why are you all complaining about yourself? 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.840 What was your issue having to look for you when 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:33.800 I couldn't. When I got home from school in San Francisco, 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:37.240 on literally on a fence saying he's going to do 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.119 it today. He's going to hang my brother by his 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:40.080 underwear from a fence. 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.560 I had someone say that you just made that up. 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:43.680 It's absolutely true. 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.080 I mean literally. So we're on Baltimore Street and there's 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.680 the Bully of Baltimore. I told Trump this. Trump called 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.119 me again. We have the new Trumps signature serious knee 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.879 pads that are available on our patriot site. And so 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.199 Donald Trump calls me right before you federalize on a 0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:03.359 serious note, the National Guard four thousand National Guard he federalized, 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.280 sent seven hundred active duty Marines to Los Angeles. The 0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.680 night before he announced that he was moving with the federalization. 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.199 He called me and the first thing he wanted to 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:14.800 talk about was, Hey, what do you think of Newscum. 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.719 It's a pretty original he goes, it's a pretty good nickname. Right. 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:19.640 I'm like what he goes, and he said this, it's 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.560 pretty original. I'm like, I just finished the book and 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.560 I'm like, no, it's not original. I wanted to say 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.280 the book is coming out. I said this kid in 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.480 eighth grade. It may have been earlier. This bully of 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.000 Baltimore called me Newscombs so described it. 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.199 Sixth grade six six is when you were. 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.080 I gotta mend that maybe it was yeah. 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:42.600 Fifth, sixth, fifth and six. Yeah, no, I think by something. 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.320 You know that you used to pay me. This is 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.359 a true story. So we overlapped in school only for 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.720 one year. Ever, you were an eighth grader at Cummings 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.399 and I was a seventh grader because I moved from 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.640 the French American back to marine. 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:58.440 School with the rest of us to public school to say, 0:27:58.760 --> 0:27:59.880 your elite education. 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.639 Yes, so you gave me a dollar every time I 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.399 came up to you in the crowded uh you know, 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:14.680 school yard to get away from you. I was wealthy. 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:16.560 It is amazing. 0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:19.720 The way it started to occur to me that if 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.080 I did went up to you, I was like, well 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:23.720 I need I need a dollar back. 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.320 Then I would like making one seventy five an hour 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:27.280 doing paper root. 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.280 Why did you not acknowledge that I did the paper? 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.280 It was your doing paper room two? Yeah, you start 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.320 you were the like and then I took you. 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:36.960 I mean, do you remember the things because. 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:41.120 Again I hold the divorce against you. I just said animus. 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.280 Like sixteen inches thick that the Thanksgiving paper. 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.000 Thursday, well Thursdays Thursdays, because they were always the inserts, 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:50.600 always giving Thanksgiving, and you'd have to have four rubber bands. 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.400 We had to get to Annie's and Paul's house and 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.080 we were frantic. I mean, all hands on deck. 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.760 I think, do you remember how just black your hands 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.160 were just going on this. They were sitting there in 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.720 a stack right when you got home from school and 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.000 you had to cut the top off and this rap 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.320 rap get on that shwind bike. I had a pretty 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:11.000 sweet swim, right. It was like, but that's all yellow. 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.000 It also needs to be corrected in the book, what 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:17.040 you you got the shwind bike for Christmas? 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:17.440 Yeah? 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:19.920 Okay, you said you've saved up money, pretty flat. 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.120 I didn't know, not in the book, especially after you 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.000 cost me a dollar every day and keep you away 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.640 from me, humiliate me until you started to. 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:31.360 Like all my friends in high school. 0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:33.040 Then you were like, well it was good of a 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:33.840 younger sisters. 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:37.880 I think you went to every one of my proms 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.480 at Branson away with somebody. 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.320 But I was not a dater. People think that I 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:48.080 was not. No, it's like big time door brutal people 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.640 like no one believes this, like total dork and you 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.800 use the word dork. It's in the book how embarrassed 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:55.480 you were around me. 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.000 You had a briefcase. You didn't have the hair jail 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.240 down yet it was just like flat on your don't 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.440 have And it wasn't just Pierce Brosnan. It was also 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.160 Michael Douglas Gordon Gecko and. 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.880 You didn't have well that came later that skinned don't 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.960 the looks of those two guys, the two of the 0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:15.880 best looking guys history. 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.840 And literally I was rough and I was dating yea, 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:20.240 I was dating someone at your school and I was like, 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.400 that's just embarrassing. Who is a soccer star? 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:24.120 But you know what it was that or the Dutch 0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.400 boy you know stride X, you know for my pimpoles 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:29.360 and the Dutch boy thing, And that was me in 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.680 high school. People don't they think that you had no. 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:34.080 Game in high school? 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:38.440 You so like legitimately except eventually in basketball and baseball. 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.640 Yeah, that was your your moment got me out. Well, 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:42.360 that's the reason you didn't get beat up every day. 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:46.480 But literally, you had like a couple of dates senior year. 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:48.440 Okay with this girl? 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:53.600 And was it the basketball player talking about Sandy. 0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:54.760 I can't remember name, but. 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.040 Sandy maybe that was. It was not Dat. It was embarrassed. 0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:04.520 So you mom went through your room and I don't 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.000 remember the context of it. Do we have to what 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:08.240 we have to tell the story? 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.520 What story? And I don't want moms going through rooms? 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:17.920 She said, and it said, Gavin, thank you so much 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:19.480 for the jade seal. 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:23.800 Oh yeah, oh, Pam, Pam and mom. 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:27.480 Went to the bookcase and the jade seal. 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.960 Was wanted her to like me. I stole mom. 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:35.840 Jade, which was probably a gift from dad. You see, 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:37.680 and you think I caused the divorce if. 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:42.680 Pam, if you're out there, we diclosure of the family. 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:47.280 I'm sorry. Yeah, I was kind of pathetic. There was 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.040 a ja you remember it was a jades now I 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.280 remember it was a jade elephant. There were two. 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.560 I've got the elephant and you have an elephant. But 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.440 you broke up the pair. How does that feel? You 0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:58.200 need to sit with that? 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:03.280 That was the extent of my dating in high school. 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:07.240 It was god. But I had that Schwin yellow bike. 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:11.400 It remember about the bike with the bananas and then Mom, 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:16.000 not kidding you, Mom painted it red and gave it 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:17.000 to me for Christmas. 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:22.720 The next year, you know, we had the Renault, your 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:26.080 new red brou We had three roommates. 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.719 We had Robin, Rachel and Rebecca. 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.360 Robert Rachel, Becca, because we're just paying the rent. Mom 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.520 can't payn the red people just another thing, literally hustling. 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.000 We were running out. She rented out the garage, She 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.560 rented out of her bedroom and is living in this 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.800 living room because again she just has to pay the rent. 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:47.360 For years and yeah, and I was working every day. 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.560 You quit your job as paper girl. 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.600 Yeah, no, but I worked at the movie theater a 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.720 Lark Lark movie theater. You're welcome. 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.320 You got discounts on popcorn, which is pretty good. 0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:58.360 Well, and I don't want to because Lark is now 0:32:58.640 --> 0:32:59.280 they still. 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.280 It's a great place, but it's back in the day. 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.600 Now they popped their own fresh popcorn. But back in 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.440 the day, I would find the popcorn up in the 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:10.360 room and that the corner was nibbled probably, and I 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.960 would ask my manager pour it in and she's like, 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:17.240 you know their cigarette, Yes, I mean, and then you 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.959 come to the movie. I'm like dunk at popcorn today 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:21.920 and I. 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.680 Always we always had it. We always had jobs. My 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.160 mom was working because she was working two three jobs 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.840 literally all the time. Part time bookkeeper, she'd work for 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:34.000 a Scott McCall Realty, she did Romona's restaurant. I started 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:34.840 doing bus boy. 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.280 At because I got fired. 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:38.800 I was gonna ask, did you never work? You did? 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.000 I worked at Romona's one. 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.280 Youre responsible for the divorce the family. Your responsored for 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:47.120 my bullying. Uh and paper we were done with it, 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.479 which she was pretty flat and and you got fired, 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:52.120 so you were that I got. 0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:56.880 I got fired because I got fired for negligence. Maybe 0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.120 I spilled coffee, you know, the old coffee pots, the 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:00.760 glass ones. 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:02.640 And she was a tough boss. 0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:03.120 She was. 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.200 It was a woman, right, Yeah, it just came back Ramona. No, 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.319 she was brutal. I remember she got me all. I 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.960 remember working my tail off because you had to there. Yeah. 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.439 Oh no, she fired me on the spot that night. 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.040 And the worst part is I had to wait for 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.439 Mom to get off her ship to go home, even 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:21.640 though I was fired, the best. 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.080 Part of her going home she bring back all those 0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:23.760 dam burritos. 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:24.600 That was why she did it. 0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:26.640 She did, and Enchilada the extra. 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.319 Hundred and fifty bucks a week or whatever it was 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.239 she made. It was Friday and Saturday night. 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:31.120 I got a bunch of food. 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.600 Her day off was Sunday, literally, and she sat in 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:37.440 that backyard and she read on her lune and loved that. 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:39.640 We were noisy all around her, and we were all 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.319 around her on ping pong table. You were on your 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:42.080 basketball court. 0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.560 Yeah. Interesting, So she was just one day off a 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.520 week week. That's true, isn't it? 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:48.560 And it worked Wednesday nights as the secretary and then 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.560 Friday and Saturday nights. Is the wait is the waitress? 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.200 Yeah? And we it's it's it's interesting memory. And you 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.320 so people, you know, I think we had a debate 0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.040 because I was saying how much assumption of macaroni and 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:03.040 cheese I had? And you said, that's not true. You 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.480 lived on you know, TV dinners. 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:08.920 Yeah, so we had hungry Man, pot. 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.879 Pie hunger The pot pie man lived on that hunger man, 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.520 I mean lived on that. I forgot about that. And 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:16.600 then the Lasan course. 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.480 But then also another big hit for us was wheaties 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:21.680 and grape nuts mixed. 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.800 No, no, no, you know that's such ps It was sugar. 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.640 Then you add the grape nuts, and then you just 0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:33.840 sprinkle the wheaties, and then you order it up and 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.160 then you just drink the milk, which was just sweet. 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.600 See that I remember. I don't think that we I 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:45.360 think we were only microwaves and fridge. I don't remember 0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:46.120 a mac and cheese. 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.080 I lived on What is your problem? It was? I 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:50.960 moved up to the can where you. 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:52.640 Had the pre Whose memory do you try? 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.279 Okase? I didn't like the one you have to mix 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.040 with the butter until they came out with the ones 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.600 and that they had the aluminum can with it and 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.040 you just squeeze it out, but you had to open 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.440 it up and then man, right after school, get that, 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:05.319 get my. 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.880 I was probably studying then. That's probably why I didn't 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:09.200 have the mad was. 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:13.520 The wonderbread, which is the greatest wonderbread may be one 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.239 of the world's You look back in life and there 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:18.920 may be few things that were more meaningful than angel 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:20.799 food cake and wonderbread. 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.080 I mean, angel food cake is the only cake to 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.759 be had, although I remember it Dad's fifty. 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:27.880 No one likes a food cake and they don't think that. 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.440 They think that's elitist. Too. It's like your French school 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:34.040 and you're they don't think it's it's like a you 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:37.920 really want to be relatable talk about your otter? Yes, yes, Do. 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.120 You remember Dad's surprise fiftieth birthday which. 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:45.160 He was old and he wasn't like actually embarrassing how 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:45.680 old he was? 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.359 I know? And and said to me, like favorite cake? 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.879 And I said frosting And she made him a sheet cake. 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.359 His favorite cake was frosting cut into it and was 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.279 so happy it was. It was a surprise party at 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.800 Gordon's and we had the heck of a time getting 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:02.239 him in there. 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:06.120 And someone made a book Harold called The Wit and 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.279 Wisdom of William ay Newsom and handed out to everyone 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:14.440 and in the book was all these empty pages of 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:19.000 our fifty year old old man father. Embarrassing, embarrasing, I know. 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.719 And by the way, everyone signed into that. I still 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.240 have it, you do. Everyone left signed one of the books, 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:26.920 and everyone wrote a great note. You know, I have 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.280 to reread that. I should have read it for the book. 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.399 You should. That would have been a way I've never 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:32.160 seen dads. 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:36.520 I never did a diary. It ends this this this 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.920 very poignanly with Brooklyn and it's one of it's my 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.880 favorite passage in the book. It's the last paragraph program. 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:46.000 Yeah, you need to read it all. 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.120 No, I won't because I hate you know how much 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.360 I love reading out that. Did you do you remember 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.960 when I yeah, this is Brooklyn. Oh, I love this 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:56.160 last program beautiful and it's opening his diary. 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.760 And then I have read that. I read the last program. 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.359 Do you remember me reading because I crushed it? When 0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:05.640 I was young, you had you struggle with pretty severe dyslexia. I, however, 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:09.400 was just I just crushed it academically. Yeah, do you remember? 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:10.000 I remember? 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:14.719 This is upsetting to me. You you misrepresented my essay 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.480 T scores. You told someone that I got like thirteen hundred. 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.040 I got twenty points more than you. I got like 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.680 nine eighty. Okay, let's just make that clean. 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.840 I'm actually literally embarrassed for you, like, not even figuratively. 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.960 Actually I had a higher. I had a higher. I 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.320 seriously literally thought of you much. 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:34.240 I went to French. 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.319 I'm upset right there. That should have given you, like 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:37.560 an extra twenty points. 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.440 Was not in French. It was in English. 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:47.680 And your ability to conjugate verbs or something si relatable. 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.680 Yeah, because no, because in French, everything is oral, like 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:52.279 they read to you. Hear it. 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:57.160 Why you got you got better than me? But that's embarrassing. 0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.399 Did you how'd you get in? How did you get 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:00.560 in Doorstown? Then how'd you get it? 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.160 Because I spoke in French to the help. 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.680 See back to the Yeah, so you did all that stuff. 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:08.799 You have better grades, You had pretty good grades. You 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:09.320 you didn't. 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.759 Your grades weren't as bad as you say. I have 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:12.520 all your old grades. 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.640 I have some. If you sent me those that shocked me. 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.560 Uh that I was really I'm like, damn. 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.600 It wasn't just an a wood shop and by the way, 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.920 was actually garbage. Can know that you made it? 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:26.879 Oh my god, that was good. 0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:28.200 Seriously, have it at my house. 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:28.719 That was good. 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:30.360 You grade? 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:31.759 That was pretty good. 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:32.760 It's still around. 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.400 I didn't appreciate me as much as now, by the 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:38.120 law of. 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:39.560 Comparison, that I could help you with your you know, 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.040 your ego, because you're so fragile. 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:44.799 But I was, you know, I was you know, I 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:46.520 was a little you know, I was. I was. I 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.279 was very insecure and and you know, sweaty hands and 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:52.000 you know the back, you know, it was not. 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.600 It was the haircut. If you had a cooler haircut. 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:58.480 You might have the haircut has been. It's the whole 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.680 slick thing, do you do. I mean when people talk 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.440 about they say slick, right, they're like guys slick. I 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:04.279 don't trust that guy. 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.880 I don't think. No, I think maybe I don't know. 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.279 It looks like everybody everything just as nice things to 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.600 me about you. I know. But by the way, I 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:14.080 took Jeff to the our old house the other day, 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:16.360 I mentioned, and we went up the hill and I 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:20.160 told them the story about how you took mom's four chairs. 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:23.040 There was a yellow, of red, blue and a green, 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.120 and you taped them all together and you rode the 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:30.520 chairs down the hill. But you neglected to realize that 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:35.680 the wheels were plastic, so you shattered, remember toppled over. 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.040 You were all cut up, and Mom got home and 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.000 burst into ears because her chairs were wrong. 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.000 Yeah, not her son's face. 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:50.040 No, he's less concerned. Jesus when you jumped out of 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:50.960 the car when it was rolling. 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:52.440 I don't want to talk about that. I didn't put 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.600 that in the book. I know that there were plenty 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.440 of bad judgments that I did include. 0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:59.759 You were kind of small, but I just remember we 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.200 got home and Mom had bought licorice? 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.839 Was that was that in the v W Bug? Then 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:07.759 I jumped out of the car. 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:08.600 I think it was. 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:10.640 It was a like like a sixties. 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.560 That was Dad's car. He taught me how to drive. 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:18.120 So we got we got the Renault, the what was 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:18.439 it again? 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:22.200 The Alliance? The Oldsmobile Omega? 0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.000 That was the purple? Come on, I know it was 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:26.359 it was? 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.080 What was? Neither of those brands are even around anymore? 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:36.279 Are they? Not? For good? No offense? I mean, but Oault, 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:40.879 there's anything better Oldsmobiles? That one was not that one. 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.040 All that that was not that. That was when the 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.080 Japanese were kicking our ail bag in the day. Yeah, 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.160 I think we were kicked in the gear. We woke 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.520 up as American automobile manufacturers. But what I got kind 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.239 of kicked into gear too. Remember I used to take 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:57.120 those classes every couple of days after school, and it 0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.560 was going to summer things as well. Just all that 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:01.320 extra but you didn't pay, You didn't pay an attention 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:01.560 to that. 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:07.000 Yeah, I was super busy. It's just too busy. I 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:07.800 wasn't being bullied. 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.280 I was popular, you were kind of popular. 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.680 I wasn't popular. I was. I was. I was friends 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:14.400 with everybody. I was friends with everybody. 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.120 But you did better in school, you had it was 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.719 easier for you. It was definitely easier. By the way, Dad, 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.280 back to money, you just reminded me when he had money. 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.320 So remember I was paying off the script for my 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.759 student loans and they're like, literally was a physical thing 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.120 and you pay I remember, I mean literally still have 0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.360 all this stuff and you pay all pay off, payoff 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.279 and like my it was a birthday gift and he 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.520 paid off like the last eighteen hundred bucks. Remember, like 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.200 one of the great moments in your life, Like he 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.360 finally paid off. Because you're paying one hundred dollars or 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.560 one hundred and twenty five every month, it's this day, 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:44.960 and then they send you a new one. You need 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.520 to Yeah, it's a vout yours. Literally it wasn't automatic then, 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.680 and you just would see this thick thing. You're like, 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.160 oh God, I'm never gonna end this. So yeah, it's interesting. 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.840 Now if he reminded me Dad when he had a 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:57.919 few bucks, he would sort of do that. He would 0:42:57.960 --> 0:42:58.960 sort of well, and. 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:02.200 At George Shown they required me to work on campus 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:04.400 if I was on financial aid, So I worked in 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:06.040 the library on all my stuff done and then went 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.920 out later. But at Branson, Mom told me that I 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.480 went to She picked Branson for me because she wanted 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.680 someone to watch over me. That she knew I was 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:18.319 too social, and she in a classroom of ten, they'd 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.800 notice if you're missing. In a classroom of forty at Redwood, 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.840 they wouldn't really notice, And so she felt like I 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:25.560 was too social. In fact, I have a letter from 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.160 her that says, I love you so much, and I 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:29.840 love you have so many friends, and I love that 0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:31.760 you talk to them every night, but maybe apply yourself 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.760 a little more to school. So to your point, I wasn't. 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.400 I mean, it came easier for me, but I always saw. 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:41.239 You as like the easy, smart one, but you were. 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.120 Definitely Let's yeah, let's let's leave that. Let's leave that. 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.000 No, I mean, this is this is interesting writing a 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.840 book comes in, you know, this the memoir of Discovery 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:50.960 sort of what's in the book. 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:52.640 You're out of the book Discovery? 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.080 So what do you since you didn't read the book 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:56.839 and you're going to act like you did, what's your 0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:57.920 favorite chapter? 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:01.600 Let's see, Oh do you think of chapter fourteen? I 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:02.120 liked fourteen. 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:07.439 Yeah, well it only goes to chapter what here? Yeah already, Yeah, 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:09.040 it's eleven an epilogue. Well done. 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:11.440 I told you I read the book chapter eleven. I 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:13.160 read the book. I read the book. You know, I 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:13.800 read the book. 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:15.399 It's pretty well written, don't you agree. 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:16.279 It's beautiful, like no. 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:19.880 Bs like I'm really I begin I'm sitting an office 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:23.160 men and looking at where you were. It's I like 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:25.560 the way it's written. I mean, you know, it's not 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:26.799 a politician book as one. 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:30.600 It's beautifully written. And there's moments of real pain. Yeah, 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:34.760 there's moments of real heartbreak. There's moments where I wanted 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:35.799 to fast forward it. 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:37.359 You were freaked out. 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:38.600 I read you the fire. 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:41.480 You are not happy about the stuff I put in 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.960 this No, but you were really upset about it. 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:47.359 In fact, there were moments, But in the end I 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.439 appreciated how you how you wove it all together, and 0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:54.640 how it's with the exception of a couple of little things, 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.960 it's it's our life, it's our truth, and and it's important. 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.680 As you said, I also had a different perspective on things. 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:07.680 I remember after Mom died, I was really angry with you. 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:09.279 We didn't speak for several months. I don't know if 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.720 you remember that. Sometimes you're a little bit self centered, 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.160 so you probably didn't even notice that the young man in. 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:17.120 A hurry that put a mask on. Yeah. I kind 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.680 of wrote a lot about that. But when we so 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:23.319 just on that. So it was almost twenty years ago, 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:25.600 right over, Oh it's been over twenty I. 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.040 Keep saying twenty fifth an I kind of like, you know, 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:29.839 it's one of the first. Yeah, so it's twenty one 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:31.040 years twenty one years now. 0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.600 So Mom passed away. She did an assisted suicide. We 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:35.279 write about it in the book, or I write about 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.239 it and write it. But you and I were in 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.800 the room with her after the doctor, with the doctor 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:42.440 and he who had a time when it was illegal, 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:45.680 illegal and had the courage to do this and potentially 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:49.440 lose his license. Mom had breast cancer and it had 0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:53.040 come back livery and the first time she got it, 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:55.160 she was fine, and so I frankly took that for granted. 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.719 And then I'm also running around doing my thing. I 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:01.560 got my sister take care mom. So I'm like, everybody's 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:04.480 good and I'm doing my thing, and then all of 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.240 a sudden, I get that phone call from her, Hello, honey. 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:11.680 I was there. I didn't leave her house for four 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:15.440 or five days, and I was there when she made 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:16.640 the phone call too, which right. 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:19.680 You heard her make the call. Yes, you never told 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:19.920 me that. 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.120 I know well because it wasn't speaking to you, remember 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:22.560 that part. 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:28.640 And the phone call was, hello, honey, it's your mom. 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:33.800 Hope you're well. You should check in before next Thursday, Maymond, 0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:36.680 whatever day it was checking it will be my last 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:38.560 day of life, okay, goodbye. 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:41.600 I was there and I remember thinking, yeah, that's gonna sting, 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:46.279 But I also like, that's a voice message it because mom. 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:49.000 Her body was gone, Yes, your body, her mom. Her 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.839 mind was there, but she was skeletal. She couldn't eat, 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:53.440 and she's like, can I please do this? 0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.960 And I couldn't take it anymore. And she had like 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.680 canker sores that were so bad because the treatment. She 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:00.879 couldn't even swallow anything. Yeah, Like it was. 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:05.920 Such pain, Yeah, it was. It was devastating. And yet 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:10.080 the whole thing was terrifying. It was so awful and unimaginable. 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:11.920 And I'm fifty seven now, and to think she was 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.640 fifty five, I thought she seemed older. Then you know 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.920 what I mean, but right, but yeah, but I think 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.719 I'm really loud. I'm proud of about my age because of that. Right, 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:26.600 But it was so devastating because that's another thing. Mom 0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.239 had had a mammogram. You said it had had missed 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.799 from mammograms. It was the tumor was so high. They 0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:32.160 missed it. 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:33.319 Yeah, they missed it. 0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:33.960 They missed it. 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:34.640 Yeah. 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:37.960 But and she founded herself too late. 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:39.600 So we were in there, and we're in the back 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:40.799 of us. 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.800 So the doctor's there and he administers the first injection. 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:45.799 Mom was holding a picture of us, a black and 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:50.400 white photo of us. Yeah, beautiful photo of us. Yeah, 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:54.400 and when we were little. And I looked at you 0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:57.760 and said, and she said, how long is this going 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:01.120 to take? I remember my children and should not have 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:01.920 to endure that. 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:04.359 I don't remember this. Thank you for that. 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:08.600 That was that, Remember, I could could barely breathe at that. 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:10.440 So that was when you. 0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:12.640 And I and I waited a little longer until she 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.960 got a little less lucid, and then she grabbed our 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.120 hands and works of art. 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:19.640 Yeah, she said that. 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.359 You know what, I felt like we were like she 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:24.399 We were super close to her. I was her best 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:29.759 friend the world you know, every and and then I left. 0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.280 I looked at you. I said, you don't have to stay, 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.280 and you said, I can't leave her alone. 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:35.680 And I just took off. 0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:38.440 And then the weirdest thing is I went into the 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.239 living room and I sat on Anne Getty's lap, poor 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:45.399 Anne La. 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.440 For the last breast. Come on, man, and I, you know, 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:53.040 I ware right about it. 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.200 I asked you to go, and you wouldn't. 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:57.360 I just I didn't know what else to do. And 0:48:57.400 --> 0:48:59.000 I was like, it's okay for you to go. I 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:00.800 was like, I mean, my god. 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:06.920 Yeah. And it's interesting because I similarly didn't leave Dad's side. 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.919 I was laying next to him for the last four days, 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:11.720 twenty four hours. 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:15.319 He passed away shortly after I became governor exactly, and 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:19.239 lived to watch his son get elected governor and didn't 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:22.200 make it through the inaugural. You'll see little Dutch up 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.040 there and the kids. I wish you my gush. But 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:27.880 and I write about that, and this book basically runs 0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:30.319 up till about that time. It's not a book about 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:33.560 my governor's race. It's again, it's all. It's everything going back, 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:38.400 with one exception that transition, which includes Dad's death and 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:39.640 then a little bit in the epilogue. 0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:43.279 Yeah, no. And it was interesting because with Dad. I 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:45.400 don't know if I told you this, but I'm lying 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:47.439 next to him, and this is the night before he dies. 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:51.120 He died. He died in the morning, and he kept 0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:55.480 saying Mom's name. The dad kept saying Tessa in the 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:57.080 middle of the night. And I was like, Okay, I 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:58.320 think we know where this is heading. 0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:05.359 Ah that because I got there like an hour later. 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.319 Maybe not even I think you were there pretty quickly, right, 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.920 you were there within fifteen minutes. Yeah, And then you 0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:13.440 and I sat in the room with him, and then 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:16.560 you looked outside and that hawk like Hillary, look there's 0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:18.440 a hot out there, and literally like. 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:21.440 A Paragne falcon or something like. It was crazy. 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:24.640 And then you kept sitting there like like if there 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:25.920 was a spirit animal. 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:29.480 You're like, Okay, now there's something else going on. 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:32.440 And you literally kept saying, hasn't moved, Hillary, Look it's 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:32.680 doing it. 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:35.959 And it's never been there, no, never any seconds after 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:40.640 Dad passes, but his entire history was going bird photographing, 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:46.920 bird watching. It is obsession with birds. 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.279 And it did and you kept whispering it because I 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:49.880 think you thought if you said it loudly, the bird wouldave. 0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:52.120 You're like, it's still their hell, and we sat there 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.000 until someone came. Yeah, that was hard. 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:54.399 I mean. 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:57.600 The good news is is that you know, I mean, 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.919 and I'll say this, you're you're in a hurry, you're 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:06.719 super busy. But I've never doubted for one second that 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.200 you always have my back. No, I love that, and 0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.239 it's we're so lucky for that, you know what I mean, 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.640 Because these are things like even in that moment where 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:18.480 I was upset with you, I with Mom, I really 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.319 it really resonated in the book with me that I 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:26.960 did read that you stayed focused on work because then 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.840 it wouldn't happen. And I didn't get it at the time, 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.759 and I got it later. I got it later. I'm like, 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.719 he wasn't there because if he was there, then Mom 0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:37.879 would die. And if you weren't there, she couldn't leave 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:39.520 you, you know what I mean. Like I think I intellectualized 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.640 it something like that made me feel better. 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:43.319 Well, I think it's yeah, and just I mean, it's 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:45.800 just when you know, when you when you can't control something, 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.640 you control what you can control, which is your work, 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.920 and that effort. I just you need to try to compartmentalize, 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:54.640 and so much of it like in this racket of 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:58.080 politics getting just crushed twenty four. I mean like literally 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.839 every you know this, you see what's like every ten 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:03.960 minutes trying to just end, Like I mean, I want 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:05.560 as I pick up my phone right after this and 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:08.200 be like, oh God, now what. And so you have 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.440 to compartmentalize in order to get through the day. You 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:14.239 just have to. And so it's been it's all my life, 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:15.960 but it's you know, shaped a lot of it by 0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:19.320 those early experiences. And by the way, including Mom's early experiences. 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.200 We talk about that in the book, that stuff. I 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:24.200 didn't fully appreciate her dad, who took his life not 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:28.080 an assisted suicide, but a suicide the guns had. He 0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:32.200 was a prisoner war and Corrigador came back and severe 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:35.719 drinking problems, but also put a gun to his daughters, 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:39.040 both of them Mom and her sister's head against the 0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:42.080 fire and told us that they don't talk about that, 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.960 and so that early trauma sort of echoes, right, just 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:47.800 generations and you know I saw that, but you mentioned 0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.000 and you know, just I don't want to I don't 0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.520 want to take too much more of your time. But 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:56.720 we talked a little bit. We talked only a tunny 0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:59.400 bit about the gettyess. You mentioned Dan Getty and not 0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:01.200 a lot of aout the Getties, which play a huge 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.680 role in this. And Gettis are a wealthy family that 0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.600 Dad grew up with in high school. New two members 0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:11.040 of the family. Uh, their father at the time was 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.640 arguably the richest man in the world, j Paul Getty oil, 0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:19.360 you know, oil primarily as his business and and so 0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:22.600 much of his life was shaped in that relationship. So 0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:25.440 much of our life ultimately became shaped in that relationship. 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.399 So we've described mom in that respect, were described Dad's 0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:31.440 advocacy and his love for an environment and adventure and 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:34.359 you know, and you know all things sar Shriver as 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.040 Bobby Kennedy behind me. You know that this notion of 0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:40.280 solving for ignorance, poverty, and disease, and so the vernacular 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:42.719 the sixties that defined Dad in terms of social justice, 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:47.680 racial justice, but he also as an advocate for the family. 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:50.920 His life was shaped and our lives was shaped by 0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:53.040 the Getties. Do you have any early memories? 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:56.840 Oh? All, I mean, uh, you know, it's funny because 0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:00.640 when Dad was in the hospital and we had to 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:02.520 make the decision of do we bring him home? And 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.920 we knew what that meant. And I remember Anne and 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:09.120 Gordon running into the hospital and Getty and Gordon, Getty 0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:13.480 running into the hospital and uh, Anne grabs. 0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:14.480 His best friend. 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:16.759 Well, I'm going to tell you that exactly that that 0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:20.360 sweet story. So she grabbed my hand and she's she said, 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.680 you're mine, Hillary, You're mine, You're my girl, and you 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.920 always have been, and you're gonna be okay and hugged me. 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:31.000 And I remember that, Gordon, the night before dad died 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:31.560 and you. 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:33.319 Were and by the way, that's saying something after you 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:36.919 lose your mom and you know, and then you lose 0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.800 your dad, to have someone like that saying you know, 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:40.640 I got you. 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:42.920 Yeah, She's like, you'll always your your mine, and you'll 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.279 always always hear friend, You're going to be okay. And 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:46.759 then you and I were sitting at the house the 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.319 night before Dad passed and Gordon said, you know a 0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.160 lot of people say, and you have a version of 0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.120 this in the book, but a lot of people say 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.880 they're Bill Newsom's best friend, he said, but I'm his 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.600 best best friend. And that's exactly what Gordon Getty said so. 0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:02.799 But back to the early childhood, I mean we grew 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.279 up going to their house from I mean, we grew 0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:09.000 up with the kids. We traveled with them on you know, 0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:11.680 dozens and dozens of trips big and small. 0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:13.600 I write about them in the book. I mean, yeah, 0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:17.359 crazy King Wong, Carlos and just like right, but also 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:20.839 like then just river rafting, like just camping and out 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:25.720 there not clamping like legit out there like more rugged, 0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:28.440 more traditional stuff. You would you know that a lot 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:30.680 of us get a win Obago type thing to do 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.600 and then these crazy sort of you know, ten star 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:36.280 not five star trips. 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:40.439 Yeah, and just always loving us always. And I think 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:43.080 I was. I was much closer to Anne when I 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:45.880 was younger, because she had the boys, you know, the 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:49.120 four plus one, and me I was the girl, So 0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:51.600 I was I was so close to her. She was 0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.560 so loving. I mean she hosted Talita's Sweet sixteen, and 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:58.040 you know, and Ciena and Talita both went to her school. 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.000 And she was so loving to Jeff. I mean we 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:03.200 had a really close relationship. She hosted all sorts of 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.080 parties and things like that for us and for me, 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:08.560 and and she loved Mom even though that was awkward, right, 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.640 And so because of the divorce, she taught Mom to 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:13.840 needle point. I don't know if you know that. Yeah, 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:16.200 And so she was just a beautiful person. But what 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.799 I think people don't realize about Anne in particular is 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:20.880 that Anne Getty is the most was the most humble, 0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:23.600 like not fancy. I remember we went to India that 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.359 trip that you describe. I think that Ant took Mom 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:29.400 and me and Barbara and we were gone for three weeks. 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:34.560 Aunt Barbara news from Yeah, and literally every single person 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:36.480 who was on the periphery of the trip was like, oh, 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.200 this isn't you know, the nicest hotel? And Anne just 0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:43.640 went with it. I mean, she was authentic, she wasn't pretentious, 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:44.640 she was approachable. 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.239 And when she died, she died years ago, and I 0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:51.160 actually it got edited out I write about the phone 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:54.759 call it guy. When she died, it was devastating, devastating, devastating, 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:58.040 like because that was what I didn't know she said 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.080 that to you. But I always felt that with Anne, 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:01.680 and she was going to be alive for the rest 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:03.799 of our lives, and it was like, and she was 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.080 going to be that. And then when she died, that 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:08.759 was I was. It was a few years ago. I 0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:11.160 don't know. I was right there far Oaks and in 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:14.840 my closet and Stanley Gotti, our close friend, called and 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:17.760 I just remember just falling down on a chair and 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:19.680 then I couldn't talk and I hung up on him. 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:21.640 I said, I can't deal with this. Yeah. 0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:25.040 No, it was devastating because she truly was family. And 0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:28.320 and you know, every time I had I was sick, 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:31.000 or had a surgery or something always recovered at her house. 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:34.560 She always looked out after me. It was our fairy godmother, 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:37.360 our fairy godmother, and she knew, she knew how to 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:40.880 behave with Mom, meaning she knew that we had to 0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:44.760 compartmentalize everything, and she'd always send me home though with 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:48.040 a present for Mom. I think we've I think, you know, 0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:50.360 we we sort of put it aside and let her 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:52.400 find it herself because we didn't. 0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:54.520 Want to be Mom wasn't part of those early trips, 0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:57.080 so that came later. This Mom was like that we 0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:58.720 would go on these exotic trips. 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.360 Before when she went on her friend the year before. 0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:03.280 She died, so she was never part of that. And 0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:06.480 then she would watch her two kids go on these exotic. 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:08.680 Racations on a private to a private plane. 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:12.520 Yeah, privately, fifty one weeks a year or moms one week, 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:14.000 we do this thing and we come back and mom 0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:18.680 would be, oh, I hope you enjoyed the trip, good night, 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:21.120 and then never talk about it again. And we'd drag 0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:23.880 our bags and have to unpack, and you didn't want 0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:27.080 to talk about it. She was like the passive aggressive, 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:29.960 I hope you had fun. I was here working three jobs. 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:32.680 But I'm a grinder. Yeah, I like the heart work. 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.200 I love the heartwork. I'm not a guy at doosanding. No, 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:38.760 except in this interview. I doubted it. I confess I 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.880 did not interview. Yeah, I didn't fully prepare for this 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:44.560 interview because I would have come with the receipts to 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:48.200 challenge some of your assertions and assumptions. Yeah, I would 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:51.040 have called you out. I mean, this has gone through 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:54.720 a scrutiny in fact check. Though you suggest thirteen when 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:58.360 I think you were thirteen up there, Canada. You were twelve. 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:01.600 I was twelve, and that wasting that that was a humiliating. 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:02.840 Well you put you, you. 0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:06.360 Said, because you you out there? 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:07.720 He said, it was okay, And this is the bed 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:10.680 wedding thing. But it's hard she want you. 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:14.040 Don't you know why it's relevant because you protected me 0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:18.400 and you made sure that nobody that's the that's the 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:20.120 reason it's in there. It's not in there to make 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:20.840 me embarrassed. 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:22.880 I'm glad it wasn't you know. I didn't know I 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:24.520 was you never know like older brother. 0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.040 Well, you were kind of abusive when we were really little. 0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:31.520 You we watched a lot of it was going really well. 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:34.360 We used to watch a lot of cartoons when we 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:38.000 lived on Toledo Way with Rachel Robin and Rebecca. Mom 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:40.520 slept in the dining room as you as you noticed, 0:59:40.920 --> 0:59:42.880 and it has a wooden there was a wooden bed 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.520 frame and then the just the bed sat in it. 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.400 So but it was like on the floor, remember, so 0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:50.960 just like a box around them. And you used to 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:55.840 take me and spin me around until my out of 0:59:55.880 --> 1:00:01.520 the socket. Actually did one of the times I fell 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:04.720 at the corner of the bed. Yeah, yeah, you broke 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:08.480 the window at least on three occasions. Thank god, Uncle 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:11.280 Paul always saved the day and came over and he 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:13.880 he also taught us how to pop my arm back in. 1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:15.959 And then you would make me run down the hall 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:18.080 and try and on a banana peel because you thought 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.120 it was so funny. So you were like re enacting. 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:24.880 I mean, thank road Runner, and you didn't give me 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:26.400 done in my pocket or something. 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:28.240 I get it. You're saying that I was watching. 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:31.760 You were watching these influenced by cartoons slip on a 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:33.800 banana peel. I'm like that sounds great. 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:40.600 So yeah, maybe it explains my four kids a little 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:41.080 bit of grass. 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:43.400 That's the thing. Every time you're like, don't do that, 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:46.640 I'm like, he did it. He did it ten times. 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:49.040 I'm raising two kids on our own. Now, that's brutal. 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:51.360 I can't even I got a rock star wife and 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:54.360 we have some help periodically, but how to including you 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:56.400 that come over and help the kids and I'm like 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:58.800 overwhelmed the kid in it. Like last night I had 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:00.000 to go, I'm like, I can't do it. 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:02.360 The best part to when you left last night we read. 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:06.080 An event, an event with the speaker to be came 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:10.800 Jeffreys and Nancy Pelosi with their house. What a homecoming 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:13.400 and so you know it was a fundraiser for getting 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:14.600 the congressional majority back. 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:17.320 Yeah, and Gavin announced it. You announced you had to 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:19.280 leave because your wife was out a ton and you 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:20.840 didn't have a babysitter. And then I looked at my 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:26.520 table and I said, because the babysitters right here. I 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:30.320 got a good laugh out of that. The truth. But 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:32.440 you know, you know how Mom did it. A lot 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:36.959 of it, A lot of they were very they. 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:39.240 Were big, they'very huge and planing. I write about Paul 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:44.240 and both of them in terms of their influence. Yeah. No, 1:01:44.320 --> 1:01:46.480 I mean we're we're blessed. I mean, and that was 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:48.400 the thing. I mean, we were blessed. I mean, despite 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:50.960 you know, the It just one of the reasons I 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:54.240 want to write this book is Mom deserved the real story. 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:56.600 I'm glad because I'm so sick and tired of this 1:01:56.720 --> 1:01:59.600 notion that everything was handed and you deserved it. 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:00.120 You know. 1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:02.080 It's like we deserve it. You know. It's like, come on, 1:02:03.000 --> 1:02:06.040 hate me politically character and I played into it. I'm 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:08.400 not an idiot. I've done a million things to play 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:09.560 the type. And I write about that. 1:02:09.760 --> 1:02:11.720 Yeah, I appreciate it, honestly. 1:02:11.800 --> 1:02:15.480 No, And that's the thing I'm trying to like really scrutinize. 1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:19.480 I'm like, I get it, but I also want you 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.600 to get that other people around me don't deserve to 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.240 be piled into that. And so in some way, in 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:28.240 many ways, it wasn't just about me telling my story. 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:31.440 It was allowing you, guys, all the grace of your story, 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:35.840 this space where you aren't characterized, charactertered as something you're not. 1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:40.080 No. I mean, we've worked. And that's the thing I 1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:42.320 tell people all the time when they're like, oh, silver spoon, 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:46.040 I'm like, why are you so angry that he's successful? 1:02:46.080 --> 1:02:50.440 Because he works so hard. You don't have boundaries. You 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:52.920 give and give and give and give. And you, I 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:56.160 mean every minute of every day, if you're not with 1:02:56.200 --> 1:03:00.640 the kids or gen or you know, working, your teaching 1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:04.400 yourself something new, you're learning, you're absorbing your I mean also, 1:03:04.520 --> 1:03:08.120 and you make so many sacrifices and so what if 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:10.760 you dress nice, that's great, Like you. 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:11.720 Know you like my shirt? 1:03:11.760 --> 1:03:13.560 That is yeah, I think I gave you that for Christmas. 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:17.440 Your shirt, it's my new it's my new blue shirt, 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:20.160 which is pretty much the only shirt that I will wear. 1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:21.680 I was going to say it's blue or white. I 1:03:21.720 --> 1:03:23.760 was wondering we were going. 1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:24.600 To come with two gears. 1:03:24.680 --> 1:03:27.400 I was surprised im surprised you went gray. I thought 1:03:27.400 --> 1:03:30.360 maybe you would be like, you know, scary, you really. 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:35.000 Are doing this. I exposed my dipity do the first 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:38.520 time I used you know, translution gel from Walgreens. 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:40.360 I got and I had to pay you five dollars 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:42.960 to try and leave my strength to fit because. 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:45.080 I was wearing a suit. God, I was such a loser. 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:48.320 It wasn't a loser. It was an innovator. And you did. 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:53.600 I was like, I was like, I was, You're an entrepreneur. 1:03:53.840 --> 1:03:56.360 You were an entrepreneur from the gate, like all those things, 1:03:56.480 --> 1:03:59.200 you know, those money making suits and ruined our backyard. 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.800 But legit. And I see that in your son Hunter too. 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:05.120 He's always growing up with you. I love that. Yeah, 1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:06.960 I love that. I just got to have that entrepreneur mindset. 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:09.240 Got to increase the number tries, try new things, learn 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:11.800 from mistakes, be willing to make mistakes. Yeah, that's what 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:14.320 your kids are. Perfect back a little bit and they say, 1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:16.400 I swear, I continue to go back to this just 1:04:16.520 --> 1:04:19.640 like it's the gift. Oh God, I'm so lucky because 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:21.920 I can't do things the way other people can do it. 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:24.160 Can't read those speeches. You have to make up for 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:27.440 it in other ways. You'll overcompensate, but you also have 1:04:27.520 --> 1:04:30.600 a visual there's a visual quality. I'm not sure it's reflected. 1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:31.800 It's so much. 1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:33.680 It's so good you talk about it so openly, though, 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:35.520 because I remember when you spoke at colmra to the 1:04:35.520 --> 1:04:37.360 Sacred Heart where the girls were going to school when 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:39.240 they were in second and fourth grade. I think, and 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:41.400 you in the head of school said what you did 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:45.040 in five minutes. You know, these kids are dyslexic, could 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:48.960 here for fifteen years through therapy and parents, and that 1:04:49.120 --> 1:04:52.320 you change like their mindset in a minute, in an instant. 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:55.240 So the fact that you have constantly talked about your 1:04:55.280 --> 1:04:58.520 dyslexia and how you you're so successful and you've overcome. 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:00.800 It has been really important. I was so cool. I 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:03.280 was just at the JFK Library, which, by the way, 1:05:03.600 --> 1:05:06.800 you can appreciate for me, for you, like, I mean, 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:10.919 it's like a shrine, you know, Bobby, and and I'm 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:13.360 like talking, I'm talking about the book. And then there was, 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:16.360 of course, what's the best memory I have? This little 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:20.520 kid he had a suit and tie on, and he 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:22.880 comes up and his mom, he's very nervous, puts his 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:26.080 set down. It's just I have dyslexie it too, and 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:28.920 I'm like, I get down on my knees. I look 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:31.880 at him. I'm tearing up. I'm just talking though, and 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:34.600 I'm like, how you you know you're doing all right? 1:05:34.840 --> 1:05:36.640 Don't You're not giving up. It's like I'm not giving up, 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:40.480 I said, And I'm like, and I give him a 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:42.600 hug and then he walks away. I'm like, oh God, 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:44.360 that was me. But I never had the guts to 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:46.000 be that me. You know, Like. 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:50.880 That's so important and that courage because it's courageous that 1:05:50.960 --> 1:05:53.280 you talk about all of your flaws too, And I 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:55.920 appreciate it because in the moments when you were making 1:05:55.960 --> 1:05:58.360 mistakes and I called you out on him. 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:01.280 And all of them are in the book. Another reason. 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:08.320 My book's coming out soon and the rest of the no. 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:11.040 But I would say that you know, you didn't shy away, 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:14.800 and I think that's that for me. It shows integrity 1:06:14.840 --> 1:06:17.680 because that that's not easy to put out all your mistakes. 1:06:17.800 --> 1:06:22.440 Well that's you know, it's called life perfection. It's a 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:25.120 journey and I'm still on it trying to get better. 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:29.040 We'll make more mistakes. I just hope it's not the 1:06:29.080 --> 1:06:31.880 same ones. With that, I'm not going to make the 1:06:31.920 --> 1:06:36.200 mistake of inviting you back to talk about some of 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:42.360 those flaws. So this has been Hillary Newsome on this, 1:06:43.640 --> 1:06:43.960 Gavin