Speaker 1: That is your correction, called out by his sister live
Speaker 1: on TV.
Speaker 2: I've never doubted for one second that you always on
Speaker 2: my back.
Speaker 1: They all think Dad left us millions of dollars, and
Speaker 1: if he did, I where is my money?
Speaker 2: Everyone erupted when they saw you just cheering, and Dad's
Speaker 2: eyes started a water. I got emotional and he said,
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2: This is hilarinious. Nervous?
Speaker 1: Am I nervous? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are you nervous talking to your sister about your book?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: What I'm here to fact check? Is it?
Speaker 1: You're here? Factor? What do you think of the cover
Speaker 1: of the book?
Speaker 2: By the way, you know what at first?
Speaker 1: The truth?
Speaker 2: Okay, I wish it was in color?
Speaker 1: Wow? Sorry, what's wrong? You don't like CPI a tone?
Speaker 2: I mean I think I'd like CPIO tone if I
Speaker 2: had to like a camera and was doing some old time.
Speaker 1: What about the picture? What do you think of the picture?
Speaker 2: I think the picture is good, that's it.
Speaker 1: What about the they had to up a lot young
Speaker 1: man in a hurry? What about that?
Speaker 2: I think I didn't. I think it's brilliant. It's actually
Speaker 2: actually brilliant. But it took me a minute to understand
Speaker 2: the title.
Speaker 1: And to this interview is going really well so far.
Speaker 2: I think we're done.
Speaker 1: I think we're done, except for the color. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: We had four color options, but they looked dare I
Speaker 1: say slick? I know it's a word that never I
Speaker 1: wasn't sensitive to that, and so they said let's avoid
Speaker 1: the slick thing and went with the little spot.
Speaker 2: I wish you had shown me the options.
Speaker 1: No, no, there was maybe.
Speaker 2: We could do a recall the book and then.
Speaker 1: One with a puppy dog. Yeah, we did focus groups
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and that I ran.
Speaker 2: Puppy dog. Please, I would have bought more than By.
Speaker 1: The way, what did you think? Did you do you
Speaker 1: remember the otter in the book? I write about Potter,
Speaker 1: the otter my name, But you we photographs that we
Speaker 1: remember it better, right because we have photos before. Oh,
Speaker 1: you weren't even around.
Speaker 2: I was in the belly. He nibbled on your toes
Speaker 2: way too soon in.
Speaker 1: Because I have like actual baby photos with the thing
Speaker 1: with the otter. Yeah, it's a good point. You didn't exist.
Speaker 2: There, no interesting and you talk about me existing then.
Speaker 2: I was just in the parts, but I wasn't in
Speaker 2: a human being. Fully formed human.
Speaker 1: Yet so I write about because it's interesting. I did
Speaker 1: nineteen I've done literally nineteen podcasts alone on the book.
Speaker 2: I've listened to all of them.
Speaker 1: You haven't even read the book. We're going to get
Speaker 1: to that in a minute. Let's sad, I'm you have
Speaker 1: not We're talking about the book and you have not
Speaker 1: read it. You're not even half way through your First
Speaker 1: of all, you're doing the audio version, which at four x.
Speaker 2: One two whatever, it's better with your it's actually nice
Speaker 2: and swiet.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to that. But the Otter story, though,
Speaker 1: that was the most No one cared about that. No
Speaker 1: one's asked me about the otter.
Speaker 2: You know what's strange. On my TikTok, I don't have TikTok,
Speaker 2: but on my Instagram feed now otters pop up. I've
Speaker 2: never searched.
Speaker 1: It was the name of our otter, Potter well.
Speaker 2: Done, and dad had to literally teach him to swim.
Speaker 2: Potter did know how to swim.
Speaker 1: And no one believes that. So now you've validated my
Speaker 1: story unless we are both lied to, and we're completely so.
Speaker 2: We have we have CPA photos.
Speaker 1: We do have photos of the otter. Remember back in
Speaker 1: the day when you had like a chord and a telephone,
Speaker 1: and the Otter would literally jump on the phone to
Speaker 1: knock the cord off and then carry the chord over
Speaker 1: to you in the corner and then just hold the
Speaker 1: cord and you spin it, and then the cord would
Speaker 1: stretch out. You'd spin it and then it would start
Speaker 1: to walk around all dizzy. That was like the Otters thing.
Speaker 2: Well, not having been alive, I'm not I can't.
Speaker 1: Validate that there is spinning there. You see this.
Speaker 2: Dad said that he would leave his keys half dang
Speaker 2: out because Potter would come jump up, grab the keys,
Speaker 2: hide him in the couch. That was like his routine.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why the divorce happened. His focus was on
Speaker 2: the water when he got home from work and not all.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the divorce and how you created that.
Speaker 1: You started those conditions. You know, when I was around,
Speaker 1: things are going.
Speaker 2: Fine, just me, and fourteen months later you were all hill.
Speaker 1: Otter and I were just jamming, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: at one I remember him so vividly. Thank god their photos.
Speaker 2: It is about you being a savant, right, Yes, there.
Speaker 1: Is a little bit about that. But one of the
Speaker 1: things about the Otter. Did you know that I was
Speaker 1: named after Gavin Maxwell wrote a book called Ring of
Speaker 1: Bright Water about River Otters, and that is why I
Speaker 1: included fact the whole part of the Otter story in
Speaker 1: the book.
Speaker 2: I know all about that. I was very clear on that.
Speaker 2: And your middle name is Christopher because Grandma Jean, I
Speaker 2: didn't know this, wanted you to be called Christopher as
Speaker 2: your first name, and was good.
Speaker 1: To nickname you taf tough for what like toffee.
Speaker 2: Or tafer touf toufer tough. I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 2: telling you what I was told when we were little.
Speaker 2: This was not in the book.
Speaker 1: Interesting Christopher was that that was what they were They
Speaker 1: wanted to call me. By the way, I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be William A. Newsome the third or tenth or sixtietheenth, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something crazy. They were like Bill Newso, Bill Newso, Bill Newsom,
Speaker 1: Bill Newsom, Gavin, I know.
Speaker 2: And you were really upset about it for a really
Speaker 2: long time. And then I remember when you went ran
Speaker 2: and won for mayor. You remember that, and the newspaper,
Speaker 2: the Chronicle had in the biggest pont you could have
Speaker 2: right across the front, just the word Gavin.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2: That's my point.
Speaker 1: And did you that's a good little headline.
Speaker 2: Of course I have it all. I just haven't gotten
Speaker 2: around to clipping it and putting it in a book
Speaker 2: for you. But that's maybe that's for your sixtieth But
Speaker 2: literally I remember calling you and saying, aren't you glad
Speaker 2: your name is not William.
Speaker 1: Like Bill with the next utility? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you, you and you and I.
Speaker 1: You're suggesting that that branding has helped build my that
Speaker 1: was one of the successes. It's it, that's it. I
Speaker 1: could have been called Potter.
Speaker 2: No, no, they already had they. I think Potter predated you.
Speaker 1: So when did you force our parents to get divorced?
Speaker 1: When did you create the conditions where dad and mom
Speaker 1: started to fight and the stress was so much he
Speaker 1: took off? Why did you when you came along? What
Speaker 1: were they? Were they particular attributes where they want to
Speaker 1: talk about that? I think were you crying a lot?
Speaker 2: I think you have been crying, being jealous of me,
Speaker 2: that you made their life so miserable that they Dad
Speaker 2: said I'm out.
Speaker 1: I'm out. But it is interesting how you came along.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just really that didn't really right
Speaker 1: about this either, but it's like something that shouldn't be explored.
Speaker 2: I actually have a question for you. What that we
Speaker 2: can get back to if you want, We'll do it
Speaker 2: now because I don't have the same memories here.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got the editing on this show.
Speaker 2: What are my royalties here?
Speaker 1: By the way, you already this is pathetic. You want
Speaker 1: marketing your own like this is the price of you
Speaker 1: doing this?
Speaker 2: And thank you? Wow?
Speaker 1: Wow? So here we are? Is this when you found
Speaker 1: out this was televised? Now that you now you brought
Speaker 1: a product, took place, you know, just to pay and
Speaker 1: not a large glass of vodka. I mean, I thought this.
Speaker 2: Is Vodkauy water.
Speaker 1: It's water.
Speaker 2: This company, we're bringing it to life in the.
Speaker 1: Fall, a new product.
Speaker 2: You too can have some legacy mineral water, American mineral water.
Speaker 1: It's American miniwater. I will get back to the water.
Speaker 2: How much you get back to things I didn't even
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 1: I'm not even promoting I should be putting all my
Speaker 1: damn probily. Thing I'm promoting is Trump's pads on my
Speaker 1: Patriots site available on our patriots side.
Speaker 2: I thought Trump, I'd get the for Christmas. You didn't
Speaker 2: wrap them.
Speaker 1: Well, those those are the new signature series. The old
Speaker 1: ones had sold out, just like all our law firms.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a whole thing. It's law firms
Speaker 1: and universities sold out. Corporate leaders. No, but that's in
Speaker 1: that school. And by the way, come on the greatest
Speaker 1: number twenty four Willie Mays and then look at those
Speaker 1: two people. You know that we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: that photo in a minute, but I want to continue
Speaker 1: this conversation. It's some semblance of order.
Speaker 2: There's no order. This is chaos. I have to tell
Speaker 2: a really great story about Dad that you didn't put
Speaker 2: in the book.
Speaker 1: And I was disappointing, Wow, disappointed with the cover. And
Speaker 1: now I'm disappointed you forced them to get divorced. But
Speaker 1: we get you're not taking any responsibility.
Speaker 2: You're to my therapy.
Speaker 1: You could pay for it with the product placement of
Speaker 1: legacy water available this.
Speaker 2: So I was upset one night and I said to Mom,
Speaker 2: I want to go to Dad's house. And he had
Speaker 2: a pi a tear in the city, remember, because he
Speaker 2: was up in the.
Speaker 1: Accent very fast, you mean, and he had an apartment
Speaker 1: in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Get a terror.
Speaker 1: Who's the elite one? Why do I get that wrap?
Speaker 2: So he had an apartment in the city. A mom,
Speaker 2: you know, it was sort of fed up with me,
Speaker 2: and it was probably fed up with you. But she
Speaker 2: dropped us off and at dad's apartment and what he
Speaker 2: had a second or third bedroom and it wasn't furnished
Speaker 2: well and I was kind of depressive. No, it was
Speaker 2: actually there were three bedrooms in that California street.
Speaker 1: You remember that, Oh, I do remember that. That was
Speaker 1: an actual more normal apartment. Yeah, and that was you
Speaker 1: was supposed to live there more full time, right, yeah, right?
Speaker 2: And so he I woke up the next morning. I
Speaker 2: think you were there too, but for whatever reason, you
Speaker 2: didn't need to have a lunch, because I guess you
Speaker 2: were at NDV then and they probably had a cafeteria.
Speaker 2: I went to French American bilingual school and they didn't.
Speaker 2: And I said, Dad, you gotta buy me lunch. So
Speaker 2: he took us to Safeway and he's like, what do
Speaker 2: you normally get for lunch? And I said, you know,
Speaker 2: a Boloney sandwich. So he buys a loaf of wonderbread
Speaker 2: and a pack of bologney, and I said, with mustard.
Speaker 2: He buys a jar, and I was and then I
Speaker 2: started started to see I could get what I needed.
Speaker 2: I was like, ahwa, so we have chips and.
Speaker 1: Apple please.
Speaker 2: I am literally six or seven, let's say seven, for
Speaker 2: the sake of arguments, And I show up at school
Speaker 2: with the grocery bag.
Speaker 1: And I take out the grocery bag and I dump all.
Speaker 2: The contents out on the table on the teacher came
Speaker 2: up and say what is this? And I said, my
Speaker 2: dad bought me. It did occur to him being able
Speaker 2: to assemble.
Speaker 1: It kind of sums up how we were raised by Dad.
Speaker 1: What do you say, boys and girls, here here's a
Speaker 1: bolooney is when.
Speaker 2: I got home, we had groceries for the week.
Speaker 1: So that's a good memory. See, I don't remember those
Speaker 1: early days because he was kind of I mean, so
Speaker 1: the what we do write about in the book, what
Speaker 1: I do write about is the fact that they did
Speaker 1: get They were separated when we were just really you know,
Speaker 1: a year or two after and then officially whatever the
Speaker 1: legal thing was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of us can't remember.
Speaker 1: And so he was a distant figure in those early years. Yep.
Speaker 1: And so for you to even remember back to your
Speaker 1: little to Pala Francis nonsense French American bilingual school again
Speaker 1: had a tear. I mean again, Yeah, that's the new
Speaker 1: sum right over there that we all should be talking about.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting you remember those things. I don't remember
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. Honestly, I don't remember any of
Speaker 1: those days.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I didn't remember when we did
Speaker 2: the nut tree drop off and that you would literally
Speaker 2: grab onto his legs and cry, screaming, and Mom, I
Speaker 2: just saw the I do remember he was probably thinking
Speaker 2: I got to get back to the fire for house
Speaker 2: for dinner.
Speaker 1: In so this is when we got a little older.
Speaker 1: And I do write about that on I eighty and
Speaker 1: one's from California. You'll know that Stretch and our dad
Speaker 1: is living in Lake Tahoe, which is you know, three
Speaker 1: and a half four and a half hours to penance traffic,
Speaker 1: and so they would split in between San Francisco and
Speaker 1: there to sort of do the drop off with the kids.
Speaker 1: There was no joint custody. Mom had us full time.
Speaker 1: That wasn't even a dispute. Dad was like, yeah, good.
Speaker 2: I know. You know that he initially fought for full custing,
Speaker 2: which is hilarious, But he did. I think despite her.
Speaker 2: I think just and Mom always told me she, can.
Speaker 1: You imagine that, think of all the boloney. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I would. I'd be in my thirteenth stint of rehab, yes, literally.
Speaker 2: Living at Ramana's restaurant. I go, oh god, no, it's
Speaker 2: It's interesting because she told me that the only reason
Speaker 2: she divorced him because she loved him wasn't because he
Speaker 2: was never around, et cetera, but it was because he
Speaker 2: had financial problems after his two failed political campaigns campaigns exactly,
Speaker 2: and she didn't want to be tethered to that and
Speaker 2: she was sort of given that advice and that's why
Speaker 2: she told me she divorced him.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, she never talked about it with me, and
Speaker 1: I talk about the fact she never talked about the divorce,
Speaker 1: nor did he talk about the divorce. And the only
Speaker 1: way I learned about it and wrote about it in
Speaker 1: the book is I got that this Bankroft Library at
Speaker 1: u C. Berkeley, an interview with Dad and his siblings,
Speaker 1: and there was like, I didn't even no one told
Speaker 1: me about this. In fact, Mark Erics, who helped me
Speaker 1: write the book, said oh, it's so. It was a
Speaker 1: great I love listening to your dad, I said, listen.
Speaker 2: And where you didn't know about that?
Speaker 1: No, no one to the book. Okay, thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing what you know. That's great, brother and sister. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't even care to tell your own brother about
Speaker 1: why our parents never got divorced. But he said he
Speaker 1: was broke and broken after losing the race for county
Speaker 1: supervisor and then state Senate and then just had a
Speaker 1: breakdown and just had to take off. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: it sounds like that was it, though. Mom, I guess
Speaker 1: agreed to it or didn't pursue him because she didn't
Speaker 1: want to be tethered with no money. She's nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 2: She didn't want to be tethered to the debt because
Speaker 2: I guess Dad was in debt and she.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to a myth. They all think, they all think
Speaker 1: that dad left us millions of dollars and if he did,
Speaker 1: where is my money? I did, where did you put it?
Speaker 2: And take every time I finally broke into his safe
Speaker 2: and it was empty, and I keep I can't make it.
Speaker 1: See, no one believes any of this, I know. Everyone
Speaker 1: just assumes that we're going to get to why they
Speaker 1: assume in a minute. And Mom the same thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: she legitimately passed with I think you got a lease
Speaker 1: in the car, and I got no. No, no, Mom
Speaker 1: merkstock or something, Mom like five thousand dollars stock, which
Speaker 1: I always kept five thousand bucks.
Speaker 2: But mom, Mom left us an apartment because she always
Speaker 2: believed in buying property, which was smart. So she did
Speaker 2: leave us a nice apartment. Yeah. No, And then I
Speaker 2: took the car.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I want to you did take the cars. I
Speaker 1: do remember the car.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was an old Mercedes.
Speaker 1: It wasn't all it was. It was one of those
Speaker 1: very It.
Speaker 2: Was not a Ga. No, it was definitely a Hilary.
Speaker 1: By the way, it fits for you, the Peditaire, the
Speaker 1: French Mercedes. Okay, really, this is like this book needs
Speaker 1: to be edited again. I gotta like update. So they
Speaker 1: left and so moms. Look, she was nineteen when she
Speaker 1: was pregnant with me and whatever, a couple of kids
Speaker 1: on her own, and she came from a huge abundance
Speaker 1: of wealth, right, I mean everybody she was quote unquote
Speaker 1: according to my friends at Fox, she was a socialite.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a socialite, a millionaire socialite. I guess
Speaker 1: she is not an accurate picture of her.
Speaker 2: She must have been a socially before she married Dad,
Speaker 2: because I don't recall the socialite, and I have a
Speaker 2: really good recall for our child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was neither rich nor a socialite.
Speaker 2: No, none of the above. The cutter ary, odd sort
Speaker 2: of upbringing. However, she didn't put any of that on us.
Speaker 2: I'm which I'm super proud of. Like we we barely heard.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it wasn't for Cindy, we wouldn't have
Speaker 2: known any stories.
Speaker 1: Well, then I write about that. I just write about
Speaker 1: this sort of this house of secrets and learning. That's
Speaker 1: why I call it a memoir of discovery. It's not
Speaker 1: just that I go back and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't know this.
Speaker 2: Even in our conversa, I didn't known. Is that true? Hillary?
Speaker 2: Is that? Did that really happen? I'm like it did
Speaker 2: it did? I was there, And honestly, it's interesting because
Speaker 2: mom had a really intellectual family and incredibly brilliant family,
Speaker 2: but so much dysfunction and talented I mean Grandma Jean.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. I didn't fully appreciate how objectively talented
Speaker 1: in terms of just all these sort of Stanford professors, doctors,
Speaker 1: you know, Elinas, Pauline's doctor, friends with Oppenheimer, all these
Speaker 1: stories that we bring to life. And and you're right,
Speaker 1: this deeply intellectual which I didn't really I always assume
Speaker 1: to his dad's side, because you know, he was were
Speaker 1: incredibly but because mom didn't share any of that, so
Speaker 1: you wouldn't really know. I mean, she was, she read voraciously,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't quoting Yates. Her dad was like a
Speaker 1: we are seamous heeny every hour. Jeez, not another seamous
Speaker 1: any quote? Uh, you know, no, wonder I didn't read
Speaker 1: any poetry growing up. Of course I couldn't read. And
Speaker 1: that's what we're going to get too later.
Speaker 2: I'm not a great reader. Rather, that's why I'm working
Speaker 2: on the book.
Speaker 1: It's you haven't even you refused to read it. You're
Speaker 1: halfway through and you're at six x of my speed
Speaker 1: of my voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm planning on reading it. I am excited.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you prepared for this interview about the
Speaker 1: book and what was accurate what was inaccurate in the book.
Speaker 1: But it's your opportunity to call me out. This is
Speaker 1: the got you see. This is why I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do the beginning of the book tour. I wanted
Speaker 1: to the end. So you can then just sort of
Speaker 1: scrutinize everything I said and say that's bs, that's not true,
Speaker 1: and then tell me, besides your hating of the cover,
Speaker 1: what else you hated about the book.
Speaker 2: I don't use that word. That feels really negative. I
Speaker 2: was just.
Speaker 1: Mild like it, okay, just like it appeared. Our parents
Speaker 1: madly disliked each other, so they got divorced, and he
Speaker 1: went up there. And so do you remember what of
Speaker 1: this besides the bolooney sandwich story? Do you remember any
Speaker 1: other you know, like dad in those first ten years
Speaker 1: of our lives.
Speaker 2: I know you outed me as a badwater in the book.
Speaker 2: You got the age wrong. I was not thirteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, well what did I say?
Speaker 2: You said thirteen?
Speaker 1: No? But what it was?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Then? Excuse me?
Speaker 2: Welve?
Speaker 1: Oh? Sorry?
Speaker 2: Okay, three days?
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, that was right before my thirteenth. Oh it
Speaker 1: was okay, forgive me, just a major correction called out
Speaker 1: by his sister live on TV.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean in and of itself, that's embarrassing. However,
Speaker 2: I did do the following and this is not this
Speaker 2: is not kind, but I didn't know I wasn't being
Speaker 2: kind at the time. But Dad periodically had girlfriends you
Speaker 2: remember up in that yeah, the country when and uh,
Speaker 2: I would go to dinner with them and we got home.
Speaker 2: I would, you know, at six seven years old, say oh,
Speaker 2: I want to sleep with you to the lady, to
Speaker 2: the lady.
Speaker 1: Right, got some stranger, Yeah, like just a torture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm late.
Speaker 1: You would do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So Dad would go into into the other
Speaker 2: room and I'd get into bed.
Speaker 1: Stop dude.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like a new day, like someone that
Speaker 2: I met three or four times, you know, and and
Speaker 2: I went the bed. Oh god, I'm sorry that.
Speaker 1: Was wanted to share this.
Speaker 2: Can we edit that?
Speaker 1: No, it's too late. I'm going to add that into
Speaker 1: the paperback version.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Can you And I'll say you were twelve at the time,
Speaker 1: thirteen when this started to occur.
Speaker 2: No, but I remember that. No, that was like when
Speaker 2: it was six or seven. And I remember that the
Speaker 2: next day thinking, you know, that didn't go well for Dad.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that back to no wonder they got divorced. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: how could he handle that if you were doing that earlier?
Speaker 2: Fel like I was intentional. I just remember those moments.
Speaker 2: I remember also a lot of time when we were
Speaker 2: with dad. There was never any normal you're visiting your dad.
Speaker 2: It was we were out at dinners. It was dinner
Speaker 2: ricos or ramonos orner, and it was a funderation.
Speaker 1: Did you ever have dinner alone with your father? Because
Speaker 1: someone asked me not and I don't. I don't remember
Speaker 1: as an adult.
Speaker 2: Oh a million times you did, well, because.
Speaker 1: I never did, like by himself, like the two of us, really,
Speaker 1: I don't recall. That was like an awkward thing for him.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: So he would have you you guys, I guess would
Speaker 1: be able to do that, and then I would be
Speaker 1: the plus one or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a lot, but really only in the
Speaker 2: very end, near the end, when.
Speaker 1: He was with maybe yeah.
Speaker 2: I'd get home from where do we go to?
Speaker 1: Because he was always with a cadre of friends. It
Speaker 1: was always is And I write a lot about that
Speaker 1: and all these guys and Malarkey and Mallin and Groza
Speaker 1: and what we you know, these.
Speaker 2: Always with Mallin and Gordon five days ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so it's like the same old haunts,
Speaker 1: the same yeah, like the washbag and getting a final final.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Romano's restaurant, you mentioned Rico's, all these great
Speaker 1: North Beach restaurants, which is so much part of the
Speaker 1: book and the lore of old San Francisco. But it
Speaker 1: was always around restaurants, It was always around friends. It
Speaker 1: was sort of I'd say in the book, I said that,
Speaker 1: you know, drinking and storytelling go hand in hand and
Speaker 1: sort of the old Irish construct. And and I think
Speaker 1: my memories of him are, you know, as I got
Speaker 1: a little older, was you're right, always in relationship to restaurants,
Speaker 1: always relationship to dinner, and then to the extent and
Speaker 1: then those sort of summer months would come with Friends
Speaker 1: of the River, environmental defense. But again why we had
Speaker 1: an Otter. He was sort of an intense activist and
Speaker 1: environmental activist, environmental justice person. Loved but he talked about environment,
Speaker 1: not just the CO two and greenhouse gases. It was mammals,
Speaker 1: it was species, it was mountain, lions, mountain it was
Speaker 1: you know, so it was tangible. It was about polar bears,
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was always connecting with something
Speaker 1: that for us was sort of visceral, including just beautiful
Speaker 1: scenic rivers. I mean the friends of the river board
Speaker 1: meetings that he used to bring us to, or at
Speaker 1: least the auctions he brought us to, our memories.
Speaker 2: That I have. Yeah, I know it, and I think
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I always thought Dad never connected with
Speaker 2: domestic animals. But they did have a dog beer bomb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not much in the dogs.
Speaker 2: Or No, it was a very you got.
Speaker 1: You made me have cats growing up. Pickwick was that
Speaker 1: the name of the cat.
Speaker 2: But Pinckwick was a stray that we just picked up.
Speaker 2: Pickwic just came in.
Speaker 1: Wasn't my jam Pickwick? Now that's maybe why. And then
Speaker 1: we had Scoopy the dog, Snoopy. Snoopy didn't even make
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: Snoopy could didn't. That was a heartbreaker.
Speaker 1: A cocker spaniels, Yes, Springer spaniels happened.
Speaker 2: So he ran out of the house.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, I didn't write about that. I wrote about Snoopy,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what what happened. This is the
Speaker 1: tragic story.
Speaker 2: It's a tragic story.
Speaker 1: Back to the paper.
Speaker 2: He ran out of the house. I ran after him,
Speaker 2: and I said, bad Snoopy, and I, you know, patted
Speaker 2: him on the nose a little bit. And the mailman
Speaker 2: came up and said, you shouldn't hit your dog. And
Speaker 2: I wasn't even hitting, you know, just like a light
Speaker 2: tap on his dog. And he put his hand in
Speaker 2: to pet Snoopy, and Snoopy bit them. Mom got a
Speaker 2: phone call that night, I remember, and you know how
Speaker 2: Mom answered the phone. Hell, she had the British accent
Speaker 2: and answered the phone, which was so cute. I have
Speaker 2: no idea where it came from.
Speaker 1: I write a little bit about it.
Speaker 2: We knew, we knew, we knew when dad was on
Speaker 2: the phone because she's got oh, okay, I went from
Speaker 2: But she got a phone call the next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: Snoopy was rehoused.
Speaker 1: Rehoused.
Speaker 2: He called it back then that's Mom said, there's a
Speaker 2: Stanley that wants to adopt Sniffy.
Speaker 1: I think were you devastated. I don't remember being devastated
Speaker 1: by us.
Speaker 2: I remember being devastated because I.
Speaker 1: Was a young man in a hurry, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: paying attention.
Speaker 2: You were busy tearing up our backyard. Did I tell
Speaker 2: you that I saw the house the other day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the house that we lived in that I described
Speaker 1: in the book as one of our when we moved
Speaker 1: to Marin in Corner Madera, this sort of smaller house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these red door I.
Speaker 1: Literally had a white pick offence, like actual, real life
Speaker 1: like offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a dream. And I slept in
Speaker 2: the hallway. And that's all true.
Speaker 1: Because it was a two bedroom. It was to you,
Speaker 1: go on, I got one.
Speaker 2: I slept in your hall of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Mom got one, which was not always a
Speaker 1: course because we had a lot of homes where she
Speaker 1: rent it out where she was living in the living room,
Speaker 1: which we're going to get to a little bit about
Speaker 1: how she made ends meet with a father was broke
Speaker 1: and broken, uh, and didn't necessarily raise us nor financially
Speaker 1: supported us or her to the degree that she would
Speaker 1: have liked and maybe even deserved.
Speaker 2: But she wasn't that way. She didn't demand anything, and
Speaker 2: when Dad had any money to speak of, he was
Speaker 2: good to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would try to help me. Sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember when on our way home from Dutch Flat,
Speaker 2: we were driving home and it was Christmas Eve or
Speaker 2: maybe the day before, and I said to Dad, did
Speaker 2: you get anything from Mom for Christmas? And I was
Speaker 2: with Robin. He goes, no, what should I get her?
Speaker 2: Because she really wants a car? And not kidding you,
Speaker 2: we pulled over at the Osmobile.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, one nine seven TVH that was the
Speaker 1: worst looking, ugliest purple, purple and purple was old smobile?
Speaker 2: Mom was I.
Speaker 1: And the license plate one nine seven?
Speaker 2: Don't know TV? How do you know that?
Speaker 1: Because I have a weird memory. That's a weird and
Speaker 1: that's part of my little dyslexia, right, I have this
Speaker 1: weird things. I can't forget one nine seven TV.
Speaker 2: And I helped to pick it out. I was like,
Speaker 2: it just has to be big enough for curple. So
Speaker 2: Dad picks this monstrosity. Robin drives it back.
Speaker 1: By the way, is we go to Ay and Paul
Speaker 1: we my aunt and uncle Annie, Paul Robbins my cousin.
Speaker 1: And by the way, do you remember the Renault because
Speaker 1: you were so French at the time, the light blue,
Speaker 1: the light that could not get up the hill literally
Speaker 1: you had to go the engine. You had to go
Speaker 1: to the far right lane to get up the hill,
Speaker 1: to get up so you could go down the hill
Speaker 1: towards San Francisco. Going from Marin to San Francisco. It
Speaker 1: literally was going forty miles an hour, brand new, brand
Speaker 1: new car. I don't remember that license by blue. What
Speaker 1: those were her cars?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: That we were, we were rolling in it back. That
Speaker 1: was the one surprise was Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was khaki or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well you got that was the end of her life,
Speaker 1: you guys must have. Yeah, you had some windfall, you were.
Speaker 1: She was working for me, so it was making more money.
Speaker 2: That's why she afford that. It was so bizarre you
Speaker 2: called her testa in every meeting. I called her because you.
Speaker 1: Can't be in a business meeting, of course you can't,
Speaker 1: and then get hey, I mean that ruins the vibe.
Speaker 1: You got it like a professional operation. No, Mom, help
Speaker 1: us with the book keeping. No, it's like Tessa, why
Speaker 1: don't you give the report?
Speaker 2: And I would say, mom, respect, it's respect to call
Speaker 2: her mother.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a whole nother part. Who was again, young
Speaker 1: man in a hurry? So I was. You know, I
Speaker 1: talk a lot about how that fed up I was
Speaker 1: and just focused on my own.
Speaker 2: God, you know how much pressure that was on me.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, why are you all complaining about yourself?
Speaker 2: What was your issue having to look for you when
Speaker 2: I couldn't. When I got home from school in San Francisco,
Speaker 2: on literally on a fence saying he's going to do
Speaker 2: it today. He's going to hang my brother by his
Speaker 2: underwear from a fence.
Speaker 1: I had someone say that you just made that up.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: I mean literally. So we're on Baltimore Street and there's
Speaker 1: the Bully of Baltimore. I told Trump this. Trump called
Speaker 1: me again. We have the new Trumps signature serious knee
Speaker 1: pads that are available on our patriot site. And so
Speaker 1: Donald Trump calls me right before you federalize on a
Speaker 1: serious note, the National Guard four thousand National Guard he federalized,
Speaker 1: sent seven hundred active duty Marines to Los Angeles. The
Speaker 1: night before he announced that he was moving with the federalization.
Speaker 1: He called me and the first thing he wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about was, Hey, what do you think of Newscum.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty original he goes, it's a pretty good nickname. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm like what he goes, and he said this, it's
Speaker 1: pretty original. I'm like, I just finished the book and
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's not original. I wanted to say
Speaker 1: the book is coming out. I said this kid in
Speaker 1: eighth grade. It may have been earlier. This bully of
Speaker 1: Baltimore called me Newscombs so described it.
Speaker 2: Sixth grade six six is when you were.
Speaker 1: I gotta mend that maybe it was yeah.
Speaker 2: Fifth, sixth, fifth and six. Yeah, no, I think by something.
Speaker 2: You know that you used to pay me. This is
Speaker 2: a true story. So we overlapped in school only for
Speaker 2: one year. Ever, you were an eighth grader at Cummings
Speaker 2: and I was a seventh grader because I moved from
Speaker 2: the French American back to marine.
Speaker 1: School with the rest of us to public school to say,
Speaker 1: your elite education.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you gave me a dollar every time I
Speaker 2: came up to you in the crowded uh you know,
Speaker 2: school yard to get away from you. I was wealthy.
Speaker 1: It is amazing.
Speaker 2: The way it started to occur to me that if
Speaker 2: I did went up to you, I was like, well
Speaker 2: I need I need a dollar back.
Speaker 1: Then I would like making one seventy five an hour
Speaker 1: doing paper root.
Speaker 2: Why did you not acknowledge that I did the paper?
Speaker 1: It was your doing paper room two? Yeah, you start
Speaker 1: you were the like and then I took you.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember the things because.
Speaker 1: Again I hold the divorce against you. I just said animus.
Speaker 2: Like sixteen inches thick that the Thanksgiving paper.
Speaker 1: Thursday, well Thursdays Thursdays, because they were always the inserts,
Speaker 1: always giving Thanksgiving, and you'd have to have four rubber bands.
Speaker 2: We had to get to Annie's and Paul's house and
Speaker 2: we were frantic. I mean, all hands on deck.
Speaker 1: I think, do you remember how just black your hands
Speaker 1: were just going on this. They were sitting there in
Speaker 1: a stack right when you got home from school and
Speaker 1: you had to cut the top off and this rap
Speaker 1: rap get on that shwind bike. I had a pretty
Speaker 1: sweet swim, right. It was like, but that's all yellow.
Speaker 2: It also needs to be corrected in the book, what
Speaker 2: you you got the shwind bike for Christmas?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, you said you've saved up money, pretty flat.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, not in the book, especially after you
Speaker 1: cost me a dollar every day and keep you away
Speaker 1: from me, humiliate me until you started to.
Speaker 2: Like all my friends in high school.
Speaker 1: Then you were like, well it was good of a
Speaker 1: younger sisters.
Speaker 2: I think you went to every one of my proms
Speaker 2: at Branson away with somebody.
Speaker 1: But I was not a dater. People think that I
Speaker 1: was not. No, it's like big time door brutal people
Speaker 1: like no one believes this, like total dork and you
Speaker 1: use the word dork. It's in the book how embarrassed
Speaker 1: you were around me.
Speaker 2: You had a briefcase. You didn't have the hair jail
Speaker 2: down yet it was just like flat on your don't
Speaker 2: have And it wasn't just Pierce Brosnan. It was also
Speaker 2: Michael Douglas Gordon Gecko and.
Speaker 1: You didn't have well that came later that skinned don't
Speaker 1: the looks of those two guys, the two of the
Speaker 1: best looking guys history.
Speaker 2: And literally I was rough and I was dating yea,
Speaker 2: I was dating someone at your school and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's just embarrassing. Who is a soccer star?
Speaker 1: But you know what it was that or the Dutch
Speaker 1: boy you know stride X, you know for my pimpoles
Speaker 1: and the Dutch boy thing, And that was me in
Speaker 1: high school. People don't they think that you had no.
Speaker 2: Game in high school?
Speaker 1: You so like legitimately except eventually in basketball and baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was your your moment got me out. Well,
Speaker 2: that's the reason you didn't get beat up every day.
Speaker 2: But literally, you had like a couple of dates senior year.
Speaker 2: Okay with this girl?
Speaker 1: And was it the basketball player talking about Sandy.
Speaker 2: I can't remember name, but.
Speaker 1: Sandy maybe that was. It was not Dat. It was embarrassed.
Speaker 2: So you mom went through your room and I don't
Speaker 2: remember the context of it. Do we have to what
Speaker 2: we have to tell the story?
Speaker 1: What story? And I don't want moms going through rooms?
Speaker 2: She said, and it said, Gavin, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for the jade seal.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh, Pam, Pam and mom.
Speaker 2: Went to the bookcase and the jade seal.
Speaker 1: Was wanted her to like me. I stole mom.
Speaker 2: Jade, which was probably a gift from dad. You see,
Speaker 2: and you think I caused the divorce if.
Speaker 1: Pam, if you're out there, we diclosure of the family.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, I was kind of pathetic. There was
Speaker 1: a ja you remember it was a jades now I
Speaker 1: remember it was a jade elephant. There were two.
Speaker 2: I've got the elephant and you have an elephant. But
Speaker 2: you broke up the pair. How does that feel? You
Speaker 2: need to sit with that?
Speaker 1: That was the extent of my dating in high school.
Speaker 1: It was god. But I had that Schwin yellow bike.
Speaker 2: It remember about the bike with the bananas and then Mom,
Speaker 2: not kidding you, Mom painted it red and gave it
Speaker 2: to me for Christmas.
Speaker 1: The next year, you know, we had the Renault, your
Speaker 1: new red brou We had three roommates.
Speaker 2: We had Robin, Rachel and Rebecca.
Speaker 1: Robert Rachel, Becca, because we're just paying the rent. Mom
Speaker 1: can't payn the red people just another thing, literally hustling.
Speaker 1: We were running out. She rented out the garage, She
Speaker 1: rented out of her bedroom and is living in this
Speaker 1: living room because again she just has to pay the rent.
Speaker 1: For years and yeah, and I was working every day.
Speaker 1: You quit your job as paper girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but I worked at the movie theater a
Speaker 2: Lark Lark movie theater. You're welcome.
Speaker 1: You got discounts on popcorn, which is pretty good.
Speaker 2: Well, and I don't want to because Lark is now
Speaker 2: they still.
Speaker 1: It's a great place, but it's back in the day.
Speaker 2: Now they popped their own fresh popcorn. But back in
Speaker 2: the day, I would find the popcorn up in the
Speaker 2: room and that the corner was nibbled probably, and I
Speaker 2: would ask my manager pour it in and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know their cigarette, Yes, I mean, and then you
Speaker 2: come to the movie. I'm like dunk at popcorn today
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Always we always had it. We always had jobs. My
Speaker 1: mom was working because she was working two three jobs
Speaker 1: literally all the time. Part time bookkeeper, she'd work for
Speaker 1: a Scott McCall Realty, she did Romona's restaurant. I started
Speaker 1: doing bus boy.
Speaker 2: At because I got fired.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, did you never work? You did?
Speaker 2: I worked at Romona's one.
Speaker 1: Youre responsible for the divorce the family. Your responsored for
Speaker 1: my bullying. Uh and paper we were done with it,
Speaker 1: which she was pretty flat and and you got fired,
Speaker 1: so you were that I got.
Speaker 2: I got fired because I got fired for negligence. Maybe
Speaker 2: I spilled coffee, you know, the old coffee pots, the
Speaker 2: glass ones.
Speaker 1: And she was a tough boss.
Speaker 2: She was.
Speaker 1: It was a woman, right, Yeah, it just came back Ramona. No,
Speaker 1: she was brutal. I remember she got me all. I
Speaker 1: remember working my tail off because you had to there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh no, she fired me on the spot that night.
Speaker 2: And the worst part is I had to wait for
Speaker 2: Mom to get off her ship to go home, even
Speaker 2: though I was fired, the best.
Speaker 1: Part of her going home she bring back all those
Speaker 1: dam burritos.
Speaker 2: That was why she did it.
Speaker 1: She did, and Enchilada the extra.
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty bucks a week or whatever it was
Speaker 2: she made. It was Friday and Saturday night.
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of food.
Speaker 2: Her day off was Sunday, literally, and she sat in
Speaker 2: that backyard and she read on her lune and loved that.
Speaker 2: We were noisy all around her, and we were all
Speaker 2: around her on ping pong table. You were on your
Speaker 2: basketball court.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, So she was just one day off a
Speaker 1: week week. That's true, isn't it?
Speaker 2: And it worked Wednesday nights as the secretary and then
Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday nights. Is the wait is the waitress?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And we it's it's it's interesting memory. And you
Speaker 1: so people, you know, I think we had a debate
Speaker 1: because I was saying how much assumption of macaroni and
Speaker 1: cheese I had? And you said, that's not true. You
Speaker 1: lived on you know, TV dinners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we had hungry Man, pot.
Speaker 1: Pie hunger The pot pie man lived on that hunger man,
Speaker 1: I mean lived on that. I forgot about that. And
Speaker 1: then the Lasan course.
Speaker 2: But then also another big hit for us was wheaties
Speaker 2: and grape nuts mixed.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you know that's such ps It was sugar.
Speaker 1: Then you add the grape nuts, and then you just
Speaker 1: sprinkle the wheaties, and then you order it up and
Speaker 1: then you just drink the milk, which was just sweet.
Speaker 2: See that I remember. I don't think that we I
Speaker 2: think we were only microwaves and fridge. I don't remember
Speaker 2: a mac and cheese.
Speaker 1: I lived on What is your problem? It was? I
Speaker 1: moved up to the can where you.
Speaker 2: Had the pre Whose memory do you try?
Speaker 1: Okase? I didn't like the one you have to mix
Speaker 1: with the butter until they came out with the ones
Speaker 1: and that they had the aluminum can with it and
Speaker 1: you just squeeze it out, but you had to open
Speaker 1: it up and then man, right after school, get that,
Speaker 1: get my.
Speaker 2: I was probably studying then. That's probably why I didn't
Speaker 2: have the mad was.
Speaker 1: The wonderbread, which is the greatest wonderbread may be one
Speaker 1: of the world's You look back in life and there
Speaker 1: may be few things that were more meaningful than angel
Speaker 1: food cake and wonderbread.
Speaker 2: I mean, angel food cake is the only cake to
Speaker 2: be had, although I remember it Dad's fifty.
Speaker 1: No one likes a food cake and they don't think that.
Speaker 1: They think that's elitist. Too. It's like your French school
Speaker 1: and you're they don't think it's it's like a you
Speaker 1: really want to be relatable talk about your otter? Yes, yes, Do.
Speaker 2: You remember Dad's surprise fiftieth birthday which.
Speaker 1: He was old and he wasn't like actually embarrassing how
Speaker 1: old he was?
Speaker 2: I know? And and said to me, like favorite cake?
Speaker 2: And I said frosting And she made him a sheet cake.
Speaker 2: His favorite cake was frosting cut into it and was
Speaker 2: so happy it was. It was a surprise party at
Speaker 2: Gordon's and we had the heck of a time getting
Speaker 2: him in there.
Speaker 1: And someone made a book Harold called The Wit and
Speaker 1: Wisdom of William ay Newsom and handed out to everyone
Speaker 1: and in the book was all these empty pages of
Speaker 1: our fifty year old old man father. Embarrassing, embarrasing, I know.
Speaker 1: And by the way, everyone signed into that. I still
Speaker 1: have it, you do. Everyone left signed one of the books,
Speaker 1: and everyone wrote a great note. You know, I have
Speaker 1: to reread that. I should have read it for the book.
Speaker 2: You should. That would have been a way I've never
Speaker 2: seen dads.
Speaker 1: I never did a diary. It ends this this this
Speaker 1: very poignanly with Brooklyn and it's one of it's my
Speaker 1: favorite passage in the book. It's the last paragraph program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to read it all.
Speaker 1: No, I won't because I hate you know how much
Speaker 1: I love reading out that. Did you do you remember
Speaker 1: when I yeah, this is Brooklyn. Oh, I love this
Speaker 1: last program beautiful and it's opening his diary.
Speaker 2: And then I have read that. I read the last program.
Speaker 1: Do you remember me reading because I crushed it? When
Speaker 1: I was young, you had you struggle with pretty severe dyslexia. I, however,
Speaker 1: was just I just crushed it academically. Yeah, do you remember?
Speaker 1: I remember?
Speaker 2: This is upsetting to me. You you misrepresented my essay
Speaker 2: T scores. You told someone that I got like thirteen hundred.
Speaker 2: I got twenty points more than you. I got like
Speaker 2: nine eighty. Okay, let's just make that clean.
Speaker 1: I'm actually literally embarrassed for you, like, not even figuratively.
Speaker 1: Actually I had a higher. I had a higher. I
Speaker 1: seriously literally thought of you much.
Speaker 2: I went to French.
Speaker 1: I'm upset right there. That should have given you, like
Speaker 1: an extra twenty points.
Speaker 2: Was not in French. It was in English.
Speaker 1: And your ability to conjugate verbs or something si relatable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because no, because in French, everything is oral, like
Speaker 2: they read to you. Hear it.
Speaker 1: Why you got you got better than me? But that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Did you how'd you get in? How did you get
Speaker 1: in Doorstown? Then how'd you get it?
Speaker 2: Because I spoke in French to the help.
Speaker 1: See back to the Yeah, so you did all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You have better grades, You had pretty good grades. You
Speaker 1: you didn't.
Speaker 2: Your grades weren't as bad as you say. I have
Speaker 2: all your old grades.
Speaker 1: I have some. If you sent me those that shocked me.
Speaker 1: Uh that I was really I'm like, damn.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just an a wood shop and by the way,
Speaker 2: was actually garbage. Can know that you made it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was good.
Speaker 2: Seriously, have it at my house.
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 2: You grade?
Speaker 1: That was pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's still around.
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate me as much as now, by the
Speaker 1: law of.
Speaker 2: Comparison, that I could help you with your you know,
Speaker 2: your ego, because you're so fragile.
Speaker 1: But I was, you know, I was you know, I
Speaker 1: was a little you know, I was. I was. I
Speaker 1: was very insecure and and you know, sweaty hands and
Speaker 1: you know the back, you know, it was not.
Speaker 2: It was the haircut. If you had a cooler haircut.
Speaker 1: You might have the haircut has been. It's the whole
Speaker 1: slick thing, do you do. I mean when people talk
Speaker 1: about they say slick, right, they're like guys slick. I
Speaker 1: don't trust that guy.
Speaker 2: I don't think. No, I think maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: It looks like everybody everything just as nice things to
Speaker 2: me about you. I know. But by the way, I
Speaker 2: took Jeff to the our old house the other day,
Speaker 2: I mentioned, and we went up the hill and I
Speaker 2: told them the story about how you took mom's four chairs.
Speaker 2: There was a yellow, of red, blue and a green,
Speaker 2: and you taped them all together and you rode the
Speaker 2: chairs down the hill. But you neglected to realize that
Speaker 2: the wheels were plastic, so you shattered, remember toppled over.
Speaker 2: You were all cut up, and Mom got home and
Speaker 2: burst into ears because her chairs were wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not her son's face.
Speaker 2: No, he's less concerned. Jesus when you jumped out of
Speaker 2: the car when it was rolling.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about that. I didn't put
Speaker 1: that in the book. I know that there were plenty
Speaker 1: of bad judgments that I did include.
Speaker 2: You were kind of small, but I just remember we
Speaker 2: got home and Mom had bought licorice?
Speaker 1: Was that was that in the v W Bug? Then
Speaker 1: I jumped out of the car.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was a like like a sixties.
Speaker 2: That was Dad's car. He taught me how to drive.
Speaker 1: So we got we got the Renault, the what was
Speaker 1: it again?
Speaker 2: The Alliance? The Oldsmobile Omega?
Speaker 1: That was the purple? Come on, I know it was
Speaker 1: it was?
Speaker 2: What was? Neither of those brands are even around anymore?
Speaker 1: Are they? Not? For good? No offense? I mean, but Oault,
Speaker 1: there's anything better Oldsmobiles? That one was not that one.
Speaker 1: All that that was not that. That was when the
Speaker 1: Japanese were kicking our ail bag in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we were kicked in the gear. We woke
Speaker 1: up as American automobile manufacturers. But what I got kind
Speaker 1: of kicked into gear too. Remember I used to take
Speaker 1: those classes every couple of days after school, and it
Speaker 1: was going to summer things as well. Just all that
Speaker 1: extra but you didn't pay, You didn't pay an attention
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was super busy. It's just too busy. I
Speaker 2: wasn't being bullied.
Speaker 1: I was popular, you were kind of popular.
Speaker 2: I wasn't popular. I was. I was. I was friends
Speaker 2: with everybody. I was friends with everybody.
Speaker 1: But you did better in school, you had it was
Speaker 1: easier for you. It was definitely easier. By the way, Dad,
Speaker 1: back to money, you just reminded me when he had money.
Speaker 1: So remember I was paying off the script for my
Speaker 1: student loans and they're like, literally was a physical thing
Speaker 1: and you pay I remember, I mean literally still have
Speaker 1: all this stuff and you pay all pay off, payoff
Speaker 1: and like my it was a birthday gift and he
Speaker 1: paid off like the last eighteen hundred bucks. Remember, like
Speaker 1: one of the great moments in your life, Like he
Speaker 1: finally paid off. Because you're paying one hundred dollars or
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five every month, it's this day,
Speaker 1: and then they send you a new one. You need
Speaker 1: to Yeah, it's a vout yours. Literally it wasn't automatic then,
Speaker 1: and you just would see this thick thing. You're like,
Speaker 1: oh God, I'm never gonna end this. So yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Now if he reminded me Dad when he had a
Speaker 1: few bucks, he would sort of do that. He would
Speaker 1: sort of well, and.
Speaker 2: At George Shown they required me to work on campus
Speaker 2: if I was on financial aid, So I worked in
Speaker 2: the library on all my stuff done and then went
Speaker 2: out later. But at Branson, Mom told me that I
Speaker 2: went to She picked Branson for me because she wanted
Speaker 2: someone to watch over me. That she knew I was
Speaker 2: too social, and she in a classroom of ten, they'd
Speaker 2: notice if you're missing. In a classroom of forty at Redwood,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't really notice, And so she felt like I
Speaker 2: was too social. In fact, I have a letter from
Speaker 2: her that says, I love you so much, and I
Speaker 2: love you have so many friends, and I love that
Speaker 2: you talk to them every night, but maybe apply yourself
Speaker 2: a little more to school. So to your point, I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, it came easier for me, but I always saw.
Speaker 1: You as like the easy, smart one, but you were.
Speaker 2: Definitely Let's yeah, let's let's leave that. Let's leave that.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, this is this is interesting writing a
Speaker 1: book comes in, you know, this the memoir of Discovery
Speaker 1: sort of what's in the book.
Speaker 2: You're out of the book Discovery?
Speaker 1: So what do you since you didn't read the book
Speaker 1: and you're going to act like you did, what's your
Speaker 1: favorite chapter?
Speaker 2: Let's see, Oh do you think of chapter fourteen? I
Speaker 2: liked fourteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it only goes to chapter what here? Yeah already, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's eleven an epilogue. Well done.
Speaker 2: I told you I read the book chapter eleven. I
Speaker 2: read the book. I read the book. You know, I
Speaker 2: read the book.
Speaker 1: It's pretty well written, don't you agree.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, like no.
Speaker 1: Bs like I'm really I begin I'm sitting an office
Speaker 1: men and looking at where you were. It's I like
Speaker 1: the way it's written. I mean, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: a politician book as one.
Speaker 2: It's beautifully written. And there's moments of real pain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's moments of real heartbreak. There's moments where I wanted
Speaker 2: to fast forward it.
Speaker 1: You were freaked out.
Speaker 2: I read you the fire.
Speaker 1: You are not happy about the stuff I put in
Speaker 1: this No, but you were really upset about it.
Speaker 2: In fact, there were moments, But in the end I
Speaker 2: appreciated how you how you wove it all together, and
Speaker 2: how it's with the exception of a couple of little things,
Speaker 2: it's it's our life, it's our truth, and and it's important.
Speaker 2: As you said, I also had a different perspective on things.
Speaker 2: I remember after Mom died, I was really angry with you.
Speaker 2: We didn't speak for several months. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you remember that. Sometimes you're a little bit self centered,
Speaker 2: so you probably didn't even notice that the young man in.
Speaker 1: A hurry that put a mask on. Yeah. I kind
Speaker 1: of wrote a lot about that. But when we so
Speaker 1: just on that. So it was almost twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: right over, Oh it's been over twenty I.
Speaker 2: Keep saying twenty fifth an I kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's one of the first. Yeah, so it's twenty one
Speaker 2: years twenty one years now.
Speaker 1: So Mom passed away. She did an assisted suicide. We
Speaker 1: write about it in the book, or I write about
Speaker 1: it and write it. But you and I were in
Speaker 1: the room with her after the doctor, with the doctor
Speaker 1: and he who had a time when it was illegal,
Speaker 1: illegal and had the courage to do this and potentially
Speaker 1: lose his license. Mom had breast cancer and it had
Speaker 1: come back livery and the first time she got it,
Speaker 1: she was fine, and so I frankly took that for granted.
Speaker 1: And then I'm also running around doing my thing. I
Speaker 1: got my sister take care mom. So I'm like, everybody's
Speaker 1: good and I'm doing my thing, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I get that phone call from her, Hello, honey.
Speaker 2: I was there. I didn't leave her house for four
Speaker 2: or five days, and I was there when she made
Speaker 2: the phone call too, which right.
Speaker 1: You heard her make the call. Yes, you never told
Speaker 1: me that.
Speaker 2: I know well because it wasn't speaking to you, remember
Speaker 2: that part.
Speaker 1: And the phone call was, hello, honey, it's your mom.
Speaker 1: Hope you're well. You should check in before next Thursday, Maymond,
Speaker 1: whatever day it was checking it will be my last
Speaker 1: day of life, okay, goodbye.
Speaker 2: I was there and I remember thinking, yeah, that's gonna sting,
Speaker 2: But I also like, that's a voice message it because mom.
Speaker 2: Her body was gone, Yes, your body, her mom. Her
Speaker 2: mind was there, but she was skeletal. She couldn't eat,
Speaker 2: and she's like, can I please do this?
Speaker 1: And I couldn't take it anymore. And she had like
Speaker 1: canker sores that were so bad because the treatment. She
Speaker 1: couldn't even swallow anything. Yeah, Like it was.
Speaker 2: Such pain, Yeah, it was. It was devastating. And yet
Speaker 2: the whole thing was terrifying. It was so awful and unimaginable.
Speaker 2: And I'm fifty seven now, and to think she was
Speaker 2: fifty five, I thought she seemed older. Then you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, but right, but yeah, but I think
Speaker 2: I'm really loud. I'm proud of about my age because of that. Right,
Speaker 2: But it was so devastating because that's another thing. Mom
Speaker 2: had had a mammogram. You said it had had missed
Speaker 2: from mammograms. It was the tumor was so high. They
Speaker 2: missed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they missed it.
Speaker 2: They missed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But and she founded herself too late.
Speaker 1: So we were in there, and we're in the back
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: So the doctor's there and he administers the first injection.
Speaker 2: Mom was holding a picture of us, a black and
Speaker 2: white photo of us. Yeah, beautiful photo of us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and when we were little. And I looked at you
Speaker 2: and said, and she said, how long is this going
Speaker 2: to take? I remember my children and should not have
Speaker 2: to endure that.
Speaker 1: I don't remember this. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: That was that, Remember, I could could barely breathe at that.
Speaker 1: So that was when you.
Speaker 2: And I and I waited a little longer until she
Speaker 2: got a little less lucid, and then she grabbed our
Speaker 2: hands and works of art.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said that.
Speaker 2: You know what, I felt like we were like she
Speaker 2: We were super close to her. I was her best
Speaker 2: friend the world you know, every and and then I left.
Speaker 2: I looked at you. I said, you don't have to stay,
Speaker 2: and you said, I can't leave her alone.
Speaker 1: And I just took off.
Speaker 2: And then the weirdest thing is I went into the
Speaker 2: living room and I sat on Anne Getty's lap, poor
Speaker 2: Anne La.
Speaker 1: For the last breast. Come on, man, and I, you know,
Speaker 1: I ware right about it.
Speaker 2: I asked you to go, and you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I just I didn't know what else to do. And
Speaker 1: I was like, it's okay for you to go. I
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's interesting because I similarly didn't leave Dad's side.
Speaker 2: I was laying next to him for the last four days,
Speaker 2: twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: He passed away shortly after I became governor exactly, and
Speaker 1: lived to watch his son get elected governor and didn't
Speaker 1: make it through the inaugural. You'll see little Dutch up
Speaker 1: there and the kids. I wish you my gush. But
Speaker 1: and I write about that, and this book basically runs
Speaker 1: up till about that time. It's not a book about
Speaker 1: my governor's race. It's again, it's all. It's everything going back,
Speaker 1: with one exception that transition, which includes Dad's death and
Speaker 1: then a little bit in the epilogue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no. And it was interesting because with Dad. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I told you this, but I'm lying
Speaker 2: next to him, and this is the night before he dies.
Speaker 2: He died. He died in the morning, and he kept
Speaker 2: saying Mom's name. The dad kept saying Tessa in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night. And I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: think we know where this is heading.
Speaker 1: Ah that because I got there like an hour later.
Speaker 2: Maybe not even I think you were there pretty quickly, right,
Speaker 2: you were there within fifteen minutes. Yeah, And then you
Speaker 2: and I sat in the room with him, and then
Speaker 2: you looked outside and that hawk like Hillary, look there's
Speaker 2: a hot out there, and literally like.
Speaker 1: A Paragne falcon or something like. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: And then you kept sitting there like like if there
Speaker 2: was a spirit animal.
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, now there's something else going on.
Speaker 2: And you literally kept saying, hasn't moved, Hillary, Look it's
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: And it's never been there, no, never any seconds after
Speaker 1: Dad passes, but his entire history was going bird photographing,
Speaker 1: bird watching. It is obsession with birds.
Speaker 2: And it did and you kept whispering it because I
Speaker 2: think you thought if you said it loudly, the bird wouldave.
Speaker 2: You're like, it's still their hell, and we sat there
Speaker 2: until someone came. Yeah, that was hard.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: The good news is is that you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: and I'll say this, you're you're in a hurry, you're
Speaker 2: super busy. But I've never doubted for one second that
Speaker 2: you always have my back. No, I love that, and
Speaker 2: it's we're so lucky for that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Because these are things like even in that moment where
Speaker 2: I was upset with you, I with Mom, I really
Speaker 2: it really resonated in the book with me that I
Speaker 2: did read that you stayed focused on work because then
Speaker 2: it wouldn't happen. And I didn't get it at the time,
Speaker 2: and I got it later. I got it later. I'm like,
Speaker 2: he wasn't there because if he was there, then Mom
Speaker 2: would die. And if you weren't there, she couldn't leave
Speaker 2: you, you know what I mean. Like I think I intellectualized
Speaker 2: it something like that made me feel better.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's yeah, and just I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just when you know, when you when you can't control something,
Speaker 1: you control what you can control, which is your work,
Speaker 1: and that effort. I just you need to try to compartmentalize,
Speaker 1: and so much of it like in this racket of
Speaker 1: politics getting just crushed twenty four. I mean like literally
Speaker 1: every you know this, you see what's like every ten
Speaker 1: minutes trying to just end, Like I mean, I want
Speaker 1: as I pick up my phone right after this and
Speaker 1: be like, oh God, now what. And so you have
Speaker 1: to compartmentalize in order to get through the day. You
Speaker 1: just have to. And so it's been it's all my life,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, shaped a lot of it by
Speaker 1: those early experiences. And by the way, including Mom's early experiences.
Speaker 1: We talk about that in the book, that stuff. I
Speaker 1: didn't fully appreciate her dad, who took his life not
Speaker 1: an assisted suicide, but a suicide the guns had. He
Speaker 1: was a prisoner war and Corrigador came back and severe
Speaker 1: drinking problems, but also put a gun to his daughters,
Speaker 1: both of them Mom and her sister's head against the
Speaker 1: fire and told us that they don't talk about that,
Speaker 1: and so that early trauma sort of echoes, right, just
Speaker 1: generations and you know I saw that, but you mentioned
Speaker 1: and you know, just I don't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want to take too much more of your time. But
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit. We talked only a tunny
Speaker 1: bit about the gettyess. You mentioned Dan Getty and not
Speaker 1: a lot of aout the Getties, which play a huge
Speaker 1: role in this. And Gettis are a wealthy family that
Speaker 1: Dad grew up with in high school. New two members
Speaker 1: of the family. Uh, their father at the time was
Speaker 1: arguably the richest man in the world, j Paul Getty oil,
Speaker 1: you know, oil primarily as his business and and so
Speaker 1: much of his life was shaped in that relationship. So
Speaker 1: much of our life ultimately became shaped in that relationship.
Speaker 1: So we've described mom in that respect, were described Dad's
Speaker 1: advocacy and his love for an environment and adventure and
Speaker 1: you know, and you know all things sar Shriver as
Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy behind me. You know that this notion of
Speaker 1: solving for ignorance, poverty, and disease, and so the vernacular
Speaker 1: the sixties that defined Dad in terms of social justice,
Speaker 1: racial justice, but he also as an advocate for the family.
Speaker 1: His life was shaped and our lives was shaped by
Speaker 1: the Getties. Do you have any early memories?
Speaker 2: Oh? All, I mean, uh, you know, it's funny because
Speaker 2: when Dad was in the hospital and we had to
Speaker 2: make the decision of do we bring him home? And
Speaker 2: we knew what that meant. And I remember Anne and
Speaker 2: Gordon running into the hospital and Getty and Gordon, Getty
Speaker 2: running into the hospital and uh, Anne grabs.
Speaker 1: His best friend.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you that exactly that that
Speaker 2: sweet story. So she grabbed my hand and she's she said,
Speaker 2: you're mine, Hillary, You're mine, You're my girl, and you
Speaker 2: always have been, and you're gonna be okay and hugged me.
Speaker 2: And I remember that, Gordon, the night before dad died
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Were and by the way, that's saying something after you
Speaker 1: lose your mom and you know, and then you lose
Speaker 1: your dad, to have someone like that saying you know,
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, you'll always your your mine, and you'll
Speaker 2: always always hear friend, You're going to be okay. And
Speaker 2: then you and I were sitting at the house the
Speaker 2: night before Dad passed and Gordon said, you know a
Speaker 2: lot of people say, and you have a version of
Speaker 2: this in the book, but a lot of people say
Speaker 2: they're Bill Newsom's best friend, he said, but I'm his
Speaker 2: best best friend. And that's exactly what Gordon Getty said so.
Speaker 2: But back to the early childhood, I mean we grew
Speaker 2: up going to their house from I mean, we grew
Speaker 2: up with the kids. We traveled with them on you know,
Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of trips big and small.
Speaker 1: I write about them in the book. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: crazy King Wong, Carlos and just like right, but also
Speaker 1: like then just river rafting, like just camping and out
Speaker 1: there not clamping like legit out there like more rugged,
Speaker 1: more traditional stuff. You would you know that a lot
Speaker 1: of us get a win Obago type thing to do
Speaker 1: and then these crazy sort of you know, ten star
Speaker 1: not five star trips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just always loving us always. And I think
Speaker 2: I was. I was much closer to Anne when I
Speaker 2: was younger, because she had the boys, you know, the
Speaker 2: four plus one, and me I was the girl, So
Speaker 2: I was I was so close to her. She was
Speaker 2: so loving. I mean she hosted Talita's Sweet sixteen, and
Speaker 2: you know, and Ciena and Talita both went to her school.
Speaker 2: And she was so loving to Jeff. I mean we
Speaker 2: had a really close relationship. She hosted all sorts of
Speaker 2: parties and things like that for us and for me,
Speaker 2: and and she loved Mom even though that was awkward, right,
Speaker 2: And so because of the divorce, she taught Mom to
Speaker 2: needle point. I don't know if you know that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so she was just a beautiful person. But what
Speaker 2: I think people don't realize about Anne in particular is
Speaker 2: that Anne Getty is the most was the most humble,
Speaker 2: like not fancy. I remember we went to India that
Speaker 2: trip that you describe. I think that Ant took Mom
Speaker 2: and me and Barbara and we were gone for three weeks.
Speaker 2: Aunt Barbara news from Yeah, and literally every single person
Speaker 2: who was on the periphery of the trip was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this isn't you know, the nicest hotel? And Anne just
Speaker 2: went with it. I mean, she was authentic, she wasn't pretentious,
Speaker 2: she was approachable.
Speaker 1: And when she died, she died years ago, and I
Speaker 1: actually it got edited out I write about the phone
Speaker 1: call it guy. When she died, it was devastating, devastating, devastating,
Speaker 1: like because that was what I didn't know she said
Speaker 1: that to you. But I always felt that with Anne,
Speaker 1: and she was going to be alive for the rest
Speaker 1: of our lives, and it was like, and she was
Speaker 1: going to be that. And then when she died, that
Speaker 1: was I was. It was a few years ago. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was right there far Oaks and in
Speaker 1: my closet and Stanley Gotti, our close friend, called and
Speaker 1: I just remember just falling down on a chair and
Speaker 1: then I couldn't talk and I hung up on him.
Speaker 1: I said, I can't deal with this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it was devastating because she truly was family. And
Speaker 2: and you know, every time I had I was sick,
Speaker 2: or had a surgery or something always recovered at her house.
Speaker 2: She always looked out after me. It was our fairy godmother,
Speaker 2: our fairy godmother, and she knew, she knew how to
Speaker 2: behave with Mom, meaning she knew that we had to
Speaker 2: compartmentalize everything, and she'd always send me home though with
Speaker 2: a present for Mom. I think we've I think, you know,
Speaker 2: we we sort of put it aside and let her
Speaker 2: find it herself because we didn't.
Speaker 1: Want to be Mom wasn't part of those early trips,
Speaker 1: so that came later. This Mom was like that we
Speaker 1: would go on these exotic trips.
Speaker 2: Before when she went on her friend the year before.
Speaker 1: She died, so she was never part of that. And
Speaker 1: then she would watch her two kids go on these exotic.
Speaker 2: Racations on a private to a private plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, privately, fifty one weeks a year or moms one week,
Speaker 1: we do this thing and we come back and mom
Speaker 1: would be, oh, I hope you enjoyed the trip, good night,
Speaker 1: and then never talk about it again. And we'd drag
Speaker 1: our bags and have to unpack, and you didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it. She was like the passive aggressive,
Speaker 1: I hope you had fun. I was here working three jobs.
Speaker 1: But I'm a grinder. Yeah, I like the heart work.
Speaker 1: I love the heartwork. I'm not a guy at doosanding. No,
Speaker 1: except in this interview. I doubted it. I confess I
Speaker 1: did not interview. Yeah, I didn't fully prepare for this
Speaker 1: interview because I would have come with the receipts to
Speaker 1: challenge some of your assertions and assumptions. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have called you out. I mean, this has gone through
Speaker 1: a scrutiny in fact check. Though you suggest thirteen when
Speaker 1: I think you were thirteen up there, Canada. You were twelve.
Speaker 2: I was twelve, and that wasting that that was a humiliating.
Speaker 1: Well you put you, you.
Speaker 2: Said, because you you out there?
Speaker 1: He said, it was okay, And this is the bed
Speaker 1: wedding thing. But it's hard she want you.
Speaker 2: Don't you know why it's relevant because you protected me
Speaker 2: and you made sure that nobody that's the that's the
Speaker 2: reason it's in there. It's not in there to make
Speaker 2: me embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I'm glad it wasn't you know. I didn't know I
Speaker 1: was you never know like older brother.
Speaker 2: Well, you were kind of abusive when we were really little.
Speaker 1: You we watched a lot of it was going really well.
Speaker 2: We used to watch a lot of cartoons when we
Speaker 2: lived on Toledo Way with Rachel Robin and Rebecca. Mom
Speaker 2: slept in the dining room as you as you noticed,
Speaker 2: and it has a wooden there was a wooden bed
Speaker 2: frame and then the just the bed sat in it.
Speaker 2: So but it was like on the floor, remember, so
Speaker 2: just like a box around them. And you used to
Speaker 2: take me and spin me around until my out of
Speaker 2: the socket. Actually did one of the times I fell
Speaker 2: at the corner of the bed. Yeah, yeah, you broke
Speaker 2: the window at least on three occasions. Thank god, Uncle
Speaker 2: Paul always saved the day and came over and he
Speaker 2: he also taught us how to pop my arm back in.
Speaker 2: And then you would make me run down the hall
Speaker 2: and try and on a banana peel because you thought
Speaker 2: it was so funny. So you were like re enacting.
Speaker 2: I mean, thank road Runner, and you didn't give me
Speaker 2: done in my pocket or something.
Speaker 1: I get it. You're saying that I was watching.
Speaker 2: You were watching these influenced by cartoons slip on a
Speaker 2: banana peel. I'm like that sounds great.
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe it explains my four kids a little
Speaker 1: bit of grass.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Every time you're like, don't do that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, he did it. He did it ten times.
Speaker 1: I'm raising two kids on our own. Now, that's brutal.
Speaker 1: I can't even I got a rock star wife and
Speaker 1: we have some help periodically, but how to including you
Speaker 1: that come over and help the kids and I'm like
Speaker 1: overwhelmed the kid in it. Like last night I had
Speaker 1: to go, I'm like, I can't do it.
Speaker 2: The best part to when you left last night we read.
Speaker 1: An event, an event with the speaker to be came
Speaker 1: Jeffreys and Nancy Pelosi with their house. What a homecoming
Speaker 1: and so you know it was a fundraiser for getting
Speaker 1: the congressional majority back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gavin announced it. You announced you had to
Speaker 2: leave because your wife was out a ton and you
Speaker 2: didn't have a babysitter. And then I looked at my
Speaker 2: table and I said, because the babysitters right here. I
Speaker 2: got a good laugh out of that. The truth. But
Speaker 2: you know, you know how Mom did it. A lot
Speaker 2: of it, A lot of they were very they.
Speaker 1: Were big, they'very huge and planing. I write about Paul
Speaker 1: and both of them in terms of their influence. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean we're we're blessed. I mean, and that was
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, we were blessed. I mean, despite
Speaker 1: you know, the It just one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: want to write this book is Mom deserved the real story.
Speaker 1: I'm glad because I'm so sick and tired of this
Speaker 1: notion that everything was handed and you deserved it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like we deserve it. You know. It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: hate me politically character and I played into it. I'm
Speaker 1: not an idiot. I've done a million things to play
Speaker 1: the type. And I write about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it, honestly.
Speaker 1: No, And that's the thing I'm trying to like really scrutinize.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get it, but I also want you
Speaker 1: to get that other people around me don't deserve to
Speaker 1: be piled into that. And so in some way, in
Speaker 1: many ways, it wasn't just about me telling my story.
Speaker 1: It was allowing you, guys, all the grace of your story,
Speaker 1: this space where you aren't characterized, charactertered as something you're not.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, we've worked. And that's the thing I
Speaker 2: tell people all the time when they're like, oh, silver spoon,
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are you so angry that he's successful?
Speaker 2: Because he works so hard. You don't have boundaries. You
Speaker 2: give and give and give and give. And you, I
Speaker 2: mean every minute of every day, if you're not with
Speaker 2: the kids or gen or you know, working, your teaching
Speaker 2: yourself something new, you're learning, you're absorbing your I mean also,
Speaker 2: and you make so many sacrifices and so what if
Speaker 2: you dress nice, that's great, Like you.
Speaker 1: Know you like my shirt?
Speaker 2: That is yeah, I think I gave you that for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Your shirt, it's my new it's my new blue shirt,
Speaker 1: which is pretty much the only shirt that I will wear.
Speaker 2: I was going to say it's blue or white. I
Speaker 2: was wondering we were going.
Speaker 1: To come with two gears.
Speaker 2: I was surprised im surprised you went gray. I thought
Speaker 2: maybe you would be like, you know, scary, you really.
Speaker 1: Are doing this. I exposed my dipity do the first
Speaker 1: time I used you know, translution gel from Walgreens.
Speaker 2: I got and I had to pay you five dollars
Speaker 2: to try and leave my strength to fit because.
Speaker 1: I was wearing a suit. God, I was such a loser.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a loser. It was an innovator. And you did.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, I was, You're an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: You were an entrepreneur from the gate, like all those things,
Speaker 2: you know, those money making suits and ruined our backyard.
Speaker 2: But legit. And I see that in your son Hunter too.
Speaker 1: He's always growing up with you. I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. I just got to have that entrepreneur mindset.
Speaker 1: Got to increase the number tries, try new things, learn
Speaker 1: from mistakes, be willing to make mistakes. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: your kids are. Perfect back a little bit and they say,
Speaker 1: I swear, I continue to go back to this just
Speaker 1: like it's the gift. Oh God, I'm so lucky because
Speaker 1: I can't do things the way other people can do it.
Speaker 1: Can't read those speeches. You have to make up for
Speaker 1: it in other ways. You'll overcompensate, but you also have
Speaker 1: a visual there's a visual quality. I'm not sure it's reflected.
Speaker 1: It's so much.
Speaker 2: It's so good you talk about it so openly, though,
Speaker 2: because I remember when you spoke at colmra to the
Speaker 2: Sacred Heart where the girls were going to school when
Speaker 2: they were in second and fourth grade. I think, and
Speaker 2: you in the head of school said what you did
Speaker 2: in five minutes. You know, these kids are dyslexic, could
Speaker 2: here for fifteen years through therapy and parents, and that
Speaker 2: you change like their mindset in a minute, in an instant.
Speaker 2: So the fact that you have constantly talked about your
Speaker 2: dyslexia and how you you're so successful and you've overcome.
Speaker 1: It has been really important. I was so cool. I
Speaker 1: was just at the JFK Library, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: you can appreciate for me, for you, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like a shrine, you know, Bobby, and and I'm
Speaker 1: like talking, I'm talking about the book. And then there was,
Speaker 1: of course, what's the best memory I have? This little
Speaker 1: kid he had a suit and tie on, and he
Speaker 1: comes up and his mom, he's very nervous, puts his
Speaker 1: set down. It's just I have dyslexie it too, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get down on my knees. I look
Speaker 1: at him. I'm tearing up. I'm just talking though, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how you you know you're doing all right?
Speaker 1: Don't You're not giving up. It's like I'm not giving up,
Speaker 1: I said, And I'm like, and I give him a
Speaker 1: hug and then he walks away. I'm like, oh God,
Speaker 1: that was me. But I never had the guts to
Speaker 1: be that me. You know, Like.
Speaker 2: That's so important and that courage because it's courageous that
Speaker 2: you talk about all of your flaws too, And I
Speaker 2: appreciate it because in the moments when you were making
Speaker 2: mistakes and I called you out on him.
Speaker 1: And all of them are in the book. Another reason.
Speaker 2: My book's coming out soon and the rest of the no.
Speaker 2: But I would say that you know, you didn't shy away,
Speaker 2: and I think that's that for me. It shows integrity
Speaker 2: because that that's not easy to put out all your mistakes.
Speaker 1: Well that's you know, it's called life perfection. It's a
Speaker 1: journey and I'm still on it trying to get better.
Speaker 1: We'll make more mistakes. I just hope it's not the
Speaker 1: same ones. With that, I'm not going to make the
Speaker 1: mistake of inviting you back to talk about some of
Speaker 1: those flaws. So this has been Hillary Newsome on this,
Speaker 1: Gavin