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Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 2: This is hilarinious. Nervous?

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Speaker 1: Am I nervous? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Are you nervous talking to your sister about your book?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: What I'm here to fact check? Is it?

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Speaker 1: You're here? Factor? What do you think of the cover

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Speaker 1: Yet so I write about because it's interesting. I did

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Speaker 1: So when did you force our parents to get divorced?

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Speaker 2: I think you have been crying, being jealous of me,

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Speaker 1: By the way, you already this is pathetic. You want

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Speaker 1: It's American miniwater. I will get back to the water.

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Speaker 1: Well, those those are the new signature series. The old

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Speaker 2: You're to my therapy.

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Speaker 2: So I was upset one night and I said to Mom,

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Speaker 1: Who's the elite one? Why do I get that wrap?

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Speaker 2: No, none of the above. The cutter ary, odd sort

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Speaker 1: Mild like it, okay, just like it appeared. Our parents

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Speaker 1: Oh? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, that was right before my thirteenth. Oh it

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean in and of itself, that's embarrassing. However,

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Speaker 1: Right, got some stranger, Yeah, like just a torture.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't like a new day, like someone that

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Speaker 2: I went the bed. Oh god, I'm sorry that.

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Speaker 1: Was wanted to share this.

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Speaker 2: Can we edit that?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever have dinner alone with your father? Because

443
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Speaker 1: someone asked me not and I don't. I don't remember

444
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Speaker 1: as an adult.

445
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 2: Oh a million times you did, well, because.

446
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: I never did, like by himself, like the two of us, really,

447
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 1: I don't recall. That was like an awkward thing for him.

448
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 2: It's interesting.

449
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 1: So he would have you you guys, I guess would

450
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 1: be able to do that, and then I would be

451
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 1: the plus one or something.

452
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a lot, but really only in the

453
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 2: very end, near the end, when.

454
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: He was with maybe yeah.

455
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 2: I'd get home from where do we go to?

456
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 1: Because he was always with a cadre of friends. It

457
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: was always is And I write a lot about that

458
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: and all these guys and Malarkey and Mallin and Groza

459
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 1: and what we you know, these.

460
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 2: Always with Mallin and Gordon five days ago.

461
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so it's like the same old haunts,

462
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 1: the same yeah, like the washbag and getting a final final.

463
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: You mentioned Romano's restaurant, you mentioned Rico's, all these great

464
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 1: North Beach restaurants, which is so much part of the

465
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: book and the lore of old San Francisco. But it

466
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: was always around restaurants, It was always around friends. It

467
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 1: was sort of I'd say in the book, I said that,

468
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, drinking and storytelling go hand in hand and

469
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: sort of the old Irish construct. And and I think

470
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Speaker 1: my memories of him are, you know, as I got

471
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: a little older, was you're right, always in relationship to restaurants,

472
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: always relationship to dinner, and then to the extent and

473
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 1: then those sort of summer months would come with Friends

474
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: of the River, environmental defense. But again why we had

475
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: an Otter. He was sort of an intense activist and

476
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: environmental activist, environmental justice person. Loved but he talked about environment,

477
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 1: not just the CO two and greenhouse gases. It was mammals,

478
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 1: it was species, it was mountain, lions, mountain it was

479
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: you know, so it was tangible. It was about polar bears,

480
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was always connecting with something

481
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: that for us was sort of visceral, including just beautiful

482
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: scenic rivers. I mean the friends of the river board

483
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: meetings that he used to bring us to, or at

484
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: least the auctions he brought us to, our memories.

485
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: That I have. Yeah, I know it, and I think

486
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I always thought Dad never connected with

487
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: domestic animals. But they did have a dog beer bomb.

488
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not much in the dogs.

489
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: Or No, it was a very you got.

490
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: You made me have cats growing up. Pickwick was that

491
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: the name of the cat.

492
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: But Pinckwick was a stray that we just picked up.

493
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: Pickwic just came in.

494
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 1: Wasn't my jam Pickwick? Now that's maybe why. And then

495
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: we had Scoopy the dog, Snoopy. Snoopy didn't even make

496
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: it up.

497
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 2: Snoopy could didn't. That was a heartbreaker.

498
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: A cocker spaniels, Yes, Springer spaniels happened.

499
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: So he ran out of the house.

500
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, I didn't write about that. I wrote about Snoopy,

501
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what what happened. This is the

502
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: tragic story.

503
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: It's a tragic story.

504
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: Back to the paper.

505
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: He ran out of the house. I ran after him,

506
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: and I said, bad Snoopy, and I, you know, patted

507
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: him on the nose a little bit. And the mailman

508
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: came up and said, you shouldn't hit your dog. And

509
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't even hitting, you know, just like a light

510
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: tap on his dog. And he put his hand in

511
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: to pet Snoopy, and Snoopy bit them. Mom got a

512
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 2: phone call that night, I remember, and you know how

513
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: Mom answered the phone. Hell, she had the British accent

514
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 2: and answered the phone, which was so cute. I have

515
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: no idea where it came from.

516
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: I write a little bit about it.

517
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 2: We knew, we knew, we knew when dad was on

518
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: the phone because she's got oh, okay, I went from

519
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: But she got a phone call the next thing, you know,

520
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: Snoopy was rehoused.

521
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: Rehoused.

522
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: He called it back then that's Mom said, there's a

523
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: Stanley that wants to adopt Sniffy.

524
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: I think were you devastated. I don't remember being devastated

525
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: by us.

526
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: I remember being devastated because I.

527
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: Was a young man in a hurry, so I wasn't

528
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: paying attention.

529
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: You were busy tearing up our backyard. Did I tell

530
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: you that I saw the house the other day.

531
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the house that we lived in that I described

532
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: in the book as one of our when we moved

533
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: to Marin in Corner Madera, this sort of smaller house.

534
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, these red door I.

535
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: Literally had a white pick offence, like actual, real life

536
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: like offense.

537
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a dream. And I slept in

538
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 2: the hallway. And that's all true.

539
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: Because it was a two bedroom. It was to you,

540
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: go on, I got one.

541
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: I slept in your hall of course.

542
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Mom got one, which was not always a

543
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: course because we had a lot of homes where she

544
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: rent it out where she was living in the living room,

545
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: which we're going to get to a little bit about

546
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: how she made ends meet with a father was broke

547
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: and broken, uh, and didn't necessarily raise us nor financially

548
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: supported us or her to the degree that she would

549
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: have liked and maybe even deserved.

550
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: But she wasn't that way. She didn't demand anything, and

551
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: when Dad had any money to speak of, he was

552
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: good to her.

553
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would try to help me. Sorry. Yeah.

554
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: I remember when on our way home from Dutch Flat,

555
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: we were driving home and it was Christmas Eve or

556
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: maybe the day before, and I said to Dad, did

557
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 2: you get anything from Mom for Christmas? And I was

558
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: with Robin. He goes, no, what should I get her?

559
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: Because she really wants a car? And not kidding you,

560
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: we pulled over at the Osmobile.

561
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, one nine seven TVH that was the

562
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: worst looking, ugliest purple, purple and purple was old smobile?

563
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: Mom was I.

564
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: And the license plate one nine seven?

565
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: Don't know TV? How do you know that?

566
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: Because I have a weird memory. That's a weird and

567
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: that's part of my little dyslexia, right, I have this

568
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: weird things. I can't forget one nine seven TV.

569
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: And I helped to pick it out. I was like,

570
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: it just has to be big enough for curple. So

571
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: Dad picks this monstrosity. Robin drives it back.

572
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: By the way, is we go to Ay and Paul

573
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: we my aunt and uncle Annie, Paul Robbins my cousin.

574
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, do you remember the Renault because

575
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: you were so French at the time, the light blue,

576
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: the light that could not get up the hill literally

577
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: you had to go the engine. You had to go

578
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: to the far right lane to get up the hill,

579
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: to get up so you could go down the hill

580
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: towards San Francisco. Going from Marin to San Francisco. It

581
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: literally was going forty miles an hour, brand new, brand

582
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: new car. I don't remember that license by blue. What

583
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: those were her cars?

584
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: Man?

585
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: That we were, we were rolling in it back. That

586
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: was the one surprise was Yeah.

587
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: That was khaki or whatever.

588
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: Well you got that was the end of her life,

589
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: you guys must have. Yeah, you had some windfall, you were.

590
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: She was working for me, so it was making more money.

591
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: That's why she afford that. It was so bizarre you

592
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: called her testa in every meeting. I called her because you.

593
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: Can't be in a business meeting, of course you can't,

594
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: and then get hey, I mean that ruins the vibe.

595
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: You got it like a professional operation. No, Mom, help

596
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: us with the book keeping. No, it's like Tessa, why

597
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: don't you give the report?

598
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: And I would say, mom, respect, it's respect to call

599
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: her mother.

600
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: Well, that's a whole nother part. Who was again, young

601
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: man in a hurry? So I was. You know, I

602
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: talk a lot about how that fed up I was

603
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: and just focused on my own.

604
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: God, you know how much pressure that was on me.

605
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, really, why are you all complaining about yourself?

606
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: What was your issue having to look for you when

607
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: I couldn't. When I got home from school in San Francisco,

608
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: on literally on a fence saying he's going to do

609
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: it today. He's going to hang my brother by his

610
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: underwear from a fence.

611
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: I had someone say that you just made that up.

612
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: It's absolutely true.

613
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean literally. So we're on Baltimore Street and there's

614
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: the Bully of Baltimore. I told Trump this. Trump called

615
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: me again. We have the new Trumps signature serious knee

616
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: pads that are available on our patriot site. And so

617
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: Donald Trump calls me right before you federalize on a

618
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: serious note, the National Guard four thousand National Guard he federalized,

619
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: sent seven hundred active duty Marines to Los Angeles. The

620
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: night before he announced that he was moving with the federalization.

621
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: He called me and the first thing he wanted to

622
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: talk about was, Hey, what do you think of Newscum.

623
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: It's a pretty original he goes, it's a pretty good nickname. Right.

624
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm like what he goes, and he said this, it's

625
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: pretty original. I'm like, I just finished the book and

626
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's not original. I wanted to say

627
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: the book is coming out. I said this kid in

628
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: eighth grade. It may have been earlier. This bully of

629
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: Baltimore called me Newscombs so described it.

630
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: Sixth grade six six is when you were.

631
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: I gotta mend that maybe it was yeah.

632
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: Fifth, sixth, fifth and six. Yeah, no, I think by something.

633
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: You know that you used to pay me. This is

634
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: a true story. So we overlapped in school only for

635
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: one year. Ever, you were an eighth grader at Cummings

636
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: and I was a seventh grader because I moved from

637
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: the French American back to marine.

638
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: School with the rest of us to public school to say,

639
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: your elite education.

640
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: Yes, so you gave me a dollar every time I

641
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: came up to you in the crowded uh you know,

642
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: school yard to get away from you. I was wealthy.

643
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: It is amazing.

644
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: The way it started to occur to me that if

645
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: I did went up to you, I was like, well

646
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: I need I need a dollar back.

647
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: Then I would like making one seventy five an hour

648
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: doing paper root.

649
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: Why did you not acknowledge that I did the paper?

650
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: It was your doing paper room two? Yeah, you start

651
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: you were the like and then I took you.

652
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, do you remember the things because.

653
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Again I hold the divorce against you. I just said animus.

654
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Like sixteen inches thick that the Thanksgiving paper.

655
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: Thursday, well Thursdays Thursdays, because they were always the inserts,

656
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: always giving Thanksgiving, and you'd have to have four rubber bands.

657
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: We had to get to Annie's and Paul's house and

658
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: we were frantic. I mean, all hands on deck.

659
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: I think, do you remember how just black your hands

660
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: were just going on this. They were sitting there in

661
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: a stack right when you got home from school and

662
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: you had to cut the top off and this rap

663
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: rap get on that shwind bike. I had a pretty

664
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: sweet swim, right. It was like, but that's all yellow.

665
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: It also needs to be corrected in the book, what

666
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: you you got the shwind bike for Christmas?

667
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

668
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Okay, you said you've saved up money, pretty flat.

669
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know, not in the book, especially after you

670
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: cost me a dollar every day and keep you away

671
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: from me, humiliate me until you started to.

672
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: Like all my friends in high school.

673
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: Then you were like, well it was good of a

674
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: younger sisters.

675
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: I think you went to every one of my proms

676
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: at Branson away with somebody.

677
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: But I was not a dater. People think that I

678
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: was not. No, it's like big time door brutal people

679
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: like no one believes this, like total dork and you

680
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: use the word dork. It's in the book how embarrassed

681
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: you were around me.

682
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: You had a briefcase. You didn't have the hair jail

683
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: down yet it was just like flat on your don't

684
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: have And it wasn't just Pierce Brosnan. It was also

685
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: Michael Douglas Gordon Gecko and.

686
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: You didn't have well that came later that skinned don't

687
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: the looks of those two guys, the two of the

688
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: best looking guys history.

689
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: And literally I was rough and I was dating yea,

690
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: I was dating someone at your school and I was like,

691
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: that's just embarrassing. Who is a soccer star?

692
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: But you know what it was that or the Dutch

693
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: boy you know stride X, you know for my pimpoles

694
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: and the Dutch boy thing, And that was me in

695
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: high school. People don't they think that you had no.

696
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: Game in high school?

697
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: You so like legitimately except eventually in basketball and baseball.

698
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was your your moment got me out. Well,

699
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: that's the reason you didn't get beat up every day.

700
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: But literally, you had like a couple of dates senior year.

701
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: Okay with this girl?

702
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: And was it the basketball player talking about Sandy.

703
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: I can't remember name, but.

704
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: Sandy maybe that was. It was not Dat. It was embarrassed.

705
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: So you mom went through your room and I don't

706
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: remember the context of it. Do we have to what

707
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: we have to tell the story?

708
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: What story? And I don't want moms going through rooms?

709
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: She said, and it said, Gavin, thank you so much

710
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: for the jade seal.

711
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh, Pam, Pam and mom.

712
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: Went to the bookcase and the jade seal.

713
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: Was wanted her to like me. I stole mom.

714
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: Jade, which was probably a gift from dad. You see,

715
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: and you think I caused the divorce if.

716
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: Pam, if you're out there, we diclosure of the family.

717
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, I was kind of pathetic. There was

718
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: a ja you remember it was a jades now I

719
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: remember it was a jade elephant. There were two.

720
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: I've got the elephant and you have an elephant. But

721
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: you broke up the pair. How does that feel? You

722
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: need to sit with that?

723
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: That was the extent of my dating in high school.

724
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: It was god. But I had that Schwin yellow bike.

725
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: It remember about the bike with the bananas and then Mom,

726
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: not kidding you, Mom painted it red and gave it

727
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: to me for Christmas.

728
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: The next year, you know, we had the Renault, your

729
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: new red brou We had three roommates.

730
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 2: We had Robin, Rachel and Rebecca.

731
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: Robert Rachel, Becca, because we're just paying the rent. Mom

732
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: can't payn the red people just another thing, literally hustling.

733
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: We were running out. She rented out the garage, She

734
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: rented out of her bedroom and is living in this

735
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: living room because again she just has to pay the rent.

736
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: For years and yeah, and I was working every day.

737
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: You quit your job as paper girl.

738
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but I worked at the movie theater a

739
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: Lark Lark movie theater. You're welcome.

740
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: You got discounts on popcorn, which is pretty good.

741
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: Well, and I don't want to because Lark is now

742
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: they still.

743
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: It's a great place, but it's back in the day.

744
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: Now they popped their own fresh popcorn. But back in

745
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: the day, I would find the popcorn up in the

746
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: room and that the corner was nibbled probably, and I

747
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: would ask my manager pour it in and she's like,

748
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: you know their cigarette, Yes, I mean, and then you

749
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 2: come to the movie. I'm like dunk at popcorn today

750
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: and I.

751
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: Always we always had it. We always had jobs. My

752
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: mom was working because she was working two three jobs

753
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: literally all the time. Part time bookkeeper, she'd work for

754
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: a Scott McCall Realty, she did Romona's restaurant. I started

755
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: doing bus boy.

756
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: At because I got fired.

757
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, did you never work? You did?

758
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: I worked at Romona's one.

759
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: Youre responsible for the divorce the family. Your responsored for

760
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: my bullying. Uh and paper we were done with it,

761
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: which she was pretty flat and and you got fired,

762
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: so you were that I got.

763
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: I got fired because I got fired for negligence. Maybe

764
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: I spilled coffee, you know, the old coffee pots, the

765
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: glass ones.

766
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: And she was a tough boss.

767
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: She was.

768
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: It was a woman, right, Yeah, it just came back Ramona. No,

769
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: she was brutal. I remember she got me all. I

770
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: remember working my tail off because you had to there. Yeah.

771
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 2: Oh no, she fired me on the spot that night.

772
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: And the worst part is I had to wait for

773
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 2: Mom to get off her ship to go home, even

774
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: though I was fired, the best.

775
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: Part of her going home she bring back all those

776
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: dam burritos.

777
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: That was why she did it.

778
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: She did, and Enchilada the extra.

779
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty bucks a week or whatever it was

780
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: she made. It was Friday and Saturday night.

781
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of food.

782
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: Her day off was Sunday, literally, and she sat in

783
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: that backyard and she read on her lune and loved that.

784
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: We were noisy all around her, and we were all

785
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: around her on ping pong table. You were on your

786
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: basketball court.

787
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, So she was just one day off a

788
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: week week. That's true, isn't it?

789
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: And it worked Wednesday nights as the secretary and then

790
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday nights. Is the wait is the waitress?

791
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? And we it's it's it's interesting memory. And you

792
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: so people, you know, I think we had a debate

793
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: because I was saying how much assumption of macaroni and

794
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: cheese I had? And you said, that's not true. You

795
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: lived on you know, TV dinners.

796
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we had hungry Man, pot.

797
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: Pie hunger The pot pie man lived on that hunger man,

798
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean lived on that. I forgot about that. And

799
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: then the Lasan course.

800
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: But then also another big hit for us was wheaties

801
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: and grape nuts mixed.

802
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you know that's such ps It was sugar.

803
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Then you add the grape nuts, and then you just

804
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: sprinkle the wheaties, and then you order it up and

805
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: then you just drink the milk, which was just sweet.

806
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: See that I remember. I don't think that we I

807
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: think we were only microwaves and fridge. I don't remember

808
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: a mac and cheese.

809
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: I lived on What is your problem? It was? I

810
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: moved up to the can where you.

811
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: Had the pre Whose memory do you try?

812
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: Okase? I didn't like the one you have to mix

813
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: with the butter until they came out with the ones

814
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and that they had the aluminum can with it and

815
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: you just squeeze it out, but you had to open

816
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: it up and then man, right after school, get that,

817
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: get my.

818
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: I was probably studying then. That's probably why I didn't

819
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: have the mad was.

820
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: The wonderbread, which is the greatest wonderbread may be one

821
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: of the world's You look back in life and there

822
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: may be few things that were more meaningful than angel

823
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: food cake and wonderbread.

824
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: I mean, angel food cake is the only cake to

825
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: be had, although I remember it Dad's fifty.

826
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: No one likes a food cake and they don't think that.

827
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: They think that's elitist. Too. It's like your French school

828
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: and you're they don't think it's it's like a you

829
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: really want to be relatable talk about your otter? Yes, yes, Do.

830
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: You remember Dad's surprise fiftieth birthday which.

831
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: He was old and he wasn't like actually embarrassing how

832
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: old he was?

833
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: I know? And and said to me, like favorite cake?

834
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 2: And I said frosting And she made him a sheet cake.

835
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: His favorite cake was frosting cut into it and was

836
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: so happy it was. It was a surprise party at

837
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: Gordon's and we had the heck of a time getting

838
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: him in there.

839
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: And someone made a book Harold called The Wit and

840
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: Wisdom of William ay Newsom and handed out to everyone

841
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: and in the book was all these empty pages of

842
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: our fifty year old old man father. Embarrassing, embarrasing, I know.

843
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: And by the way, everyone signed into that. I still

844
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: have it, you do. Everyone left signed one of the books,

845
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: and everyone wrote a great note. You know, I have

846
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: to reread that. I should have read it for the book.

847
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 2: You should. That would have been a way I've never

848
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: seen dads.

849
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: I never did a diary. It ends this this this

850
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: very poignanly with Brooklyn and it's one of it's my

851
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: favorite passage in the book. It's the last paragraph program.

852
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to read it all.

853
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: No, I won't because I hate you know how much

854
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: I love reading out that. Did you do you remember

855
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: when I yeah, this is Brooklyn. Oh, I love this

856
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: last program beautiful and it's opening his diary.

857
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: And then I have read that. I read the last program.

858
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: Do you remember me reading because I crushed it? When

859
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: I was young, you had you struggle with pretty severe dyslexia. I, however,

860
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: was just I just crushed it academically. Yeah, do you remember?

861
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: I remember?

862
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: This is upsetting to me. You you misrepresented my essay

863
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: T scores. You told someone that I got like thirteen hundred.

864
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: I got twenty points more than you. I got like

865
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: nine eighty. Okay, let's just make that clean.

866
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm actually literally embarrassed for you, like, not even figuratively.

867
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Actually I had a higher. I had a higher. I

868
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: seriously literally thought of you much.

869
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: I went to French.

870
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: I'm upset right there. That should have given you, like

871
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: an extra twenty points.

872
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: Was not in French. It was in English.

873
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: And your ability to conjugate verbs or something si relatable.

874
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because no, because in French, everything is oral, like

875
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: they read to you. Hear it.

876
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Why you got you got better than me? But that's embarrassing.

877
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: Did you how'd you get in? How did you get

878
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: in Doorstown? Then how'd you get it?

879
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: Because I spoke in French to the help.

880
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: See back to the Yeah, so you did all that stuff.

881
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: You have better grades, You had pretty good grades. You

882
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: you didn't.

883
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: Your grades weren't as bad as you say. I have

884
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: all your old grades.

885
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: I have some. If you sent me those that shocked me.

886
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: Uh that I was really I'm like, damn.

887
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't just an a wood shop and by the way,

888
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: was actually garbage. Can know that you made it?

889
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was good.

890
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: Seriously, have it at my house.

891
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: That was good.

892
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: You grade?

893
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: That was pretty good.

894
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: It's still around.

895
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate me as much as now, by the

896
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: law of.

897
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: Comparison, that I could help you with your you know,

898
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: your ego, because you're so fragile.

899
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: But I was, you know, I was you know, I

900
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: was a little you know, I was. I was. I

901
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: was very insecure and and you know, sweaty hands and

902
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: you know the back, you know, it was not.

903
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: It was the haircut. If you had a cooler haircut.

904
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: You might have the haircut has been. It's the whole

905
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: slick thing, do you do. I mean when people talk

906
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: about they say slick, right, they're like guys slick. I

907
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: don't trust that guy.

908
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: I don't think. No, I think maybe I don't know.

909
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: It looks like everybody everything just as nice things to

910
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: me about you. I know. But by the way, I

911
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: took Jeff to the our old house the other day,

912
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: I mentioned, and we went up the hill and I

913
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: told them the story about how you took mom's four chairs.

914
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: There was a yellow, of red, blue and a green,

915
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: and you taped them all together and you rode the

916
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: chairs down the hill. But you neglected to realize that

917
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: the wheels were plastic, so you shattered, remember toppled over.

918
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: You were all cut up, and Mom got home and

919
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: burst into ears because her chairs were wrong.

920
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, not her son's face.

921
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: No, he's less concerned. Jesus when you jumped out of

922
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: the car when it was rolling.

923
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about that. I didn't put

924
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: that in the book. I know that there were plenty

925
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: of bad judgments that I did include.

926
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: You were kind of small, but I just remember we

927
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: got home and Mom had bought licorice?

928
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: Was that was that in the v W Bug? Then

929
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: I jumped out of the car.

930
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: I think it was.

931
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: It was a like like a sixties.

932
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: That was Dad's car. He taught me how to drive.

933
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: So we got we got the Renault, the what was

934
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: it again?

935
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: The Alliance? The Oldsmobile Omega?

936
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: That was the purple? Come on, I know it was

937
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: it was?

938
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: What was? Neither of those brands are even around anymore?

939
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: Are they? Not? For good? No offense? I mean, but Oault,

940
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: there's anything better Oldsmobiles? That one was not that one.

941
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: All that that was not that. That was when the

942
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: Japanese were kicking our ail bag in the day. Yeah,

943
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: I think we were kicked in the gear. We woke

944
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: up as American automobile manufacturers. But what I got kind

945
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: of kicked into gear too. Remember I used to take

946
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: those classes every couple of days after school, and it

947
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: was going to summer things as well. Just all that

948
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: extra but you didn't pay, You didn't pay an attention

949
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: to that.

950
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was super busy. It's just too busy. I

951
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: wasn't being bullied.

952
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: I was popular, you were kind of popular.

953
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't popular. I was. I was. I was friends

954
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: with everybody. I was friends with everybody.

955
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: But you did better in school, you had it was

956
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: easier for you. It was definitely easier. By the way, Dad,

957
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: back to money, you just reminded me when he had money.

958
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: So remember I was paying off the script for my

959
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: student loans and they're like, literally was a physical thing

960
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: and you pay I remember, I mean literally still have

961
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: all this stuff and you pay all pay off, payoff

962
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: and like my it was a birthday gift and he

963
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: paid off like the last eighteen hundred bucks. Remember, like

964
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: one of the great moments in your life, Like he

965
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: finally paid off. Because you're paying one hundred dollars or

966
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five every month, it's this day,

967
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: and then they send you a new one. You need

968
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: to Yeah, it's a vout yours. Literally it wasn't automatic then,

969
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: and you just would see this thick thing. You're like,

970
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: oh God, I'm never gonna end this. So yeah, it's interesting.

971
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: Now if he reminded me Dad when he had a

972
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: few bucks, he would sort of do that. He would

973
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: sort of well, and.

974
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: At George Shown they required me to work on campus

975
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: if I was on financial aid, So I worked in

976
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: the library on all my stuff done and then went

977
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: out later. But at Branson, Mom told me that I

978
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: went to She picked Branson for me because she wanted

979
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: someone to watch over me. That she knew I was

980
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: too social, and she in a classroom of ten, they'd

981
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: notice if you're missing. In a classroom of forty at Redwood,

982
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: they wouldn't really notice, And so she felt like I

983
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: was too social. In fact, I have a letter from

984
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: her that says, I love you so much, and I

985
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: love you have so many friends, and I love that

986
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: you talk to them every night, but maybe apply yourself

987
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: a little more to school. So to your point, I wasn't.

988
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it came easier for me, but I always saw.

989
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: You as like the easy, smart one, but you were.

990
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: Definitely Let's yeah, let's let's leave that. Let's leave that.

991
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: No, I mean, this is this is interesting writing a

992
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: book comes in, you know, this the memoir of Discovery

993
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: sort of what's in the book.

994
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: You're out of the book Discovery?

995
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: So what do you since you didn't read the book

996
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: and you're going to act like you did, what's your

997
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: favorite chapter?

998
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: Let's see, Oh do you think of chapter fourteen? I

999
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: liked fourteen.

1000
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it only goes to chapter what here? Yeah already, Yeah,

1001
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: it's eleven an epilogue. Well done.

1002
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: I told you I read the book chapter eleven. I

1003
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: read the book. I read the book. You know, I

1004
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: read the book.

1005
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: It's pretty well written, don't you agree.

1006
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, like no.

1007
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: Bs like I'm really I begin I'm sitting an office

1008
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: men and looking at where you were. It's I like

1009
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: the way it's written. I mean, you know, it's not

1010
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: a politician book as one.

1011
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: It's beautifully written. And there's moments of real pain. Yeah,

1012
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: there's moments of real heartbreak. There's moments where I wanted

1013
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: to fast forward it.

1014
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: You were freaked out.

1015
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: I read you the fire.

1016
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: You are not happy about the stuff I put in

1017
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: this No, but you were really upset about it.

1018
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: In fact, there were moments, But in the end I

1019
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 2: appreciated how you how you wove it all together, and

1020
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: how it's with the exception of a couple of little things,

1021
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: it's it's our life, it's our truth, and and it's important.

1022
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: As you said, I also had a different perspective on things.

1023
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: I remember after Mom died, I was really angry with you.

1024
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: We didn't speak for several months. I don't know if

1025
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: you remember that. Sometimes you're a little bit self centered,

1026
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: so you probably didn't even notice that the young man in.

1027
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: A hurry that put a mask on. Yeah. I kind

1028
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: of wrote a lot about that. But when we so

1029
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: just on that. So it was almost twenty years ago,

1030
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: right over, Oh it's been over twenty I.

1031
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: Keep saying twenty fifth an I kind of like, you know,

1032
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: it's one of the first. Yeah, so it's twenty one

1033
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: years twenty one years now.

1034
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: So Mom passed away. She did an assisted suicide. We

1035
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: write about it in the book, or I write about

1036
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: it and write it. But you and I were in

1037
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: the room with her after the doctor, with the doctor

1038
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: and he who had a time when it was illegal,

1039
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: illegal and had the courage to do this and potentially

1040
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: lose his license. Mom had breast cancer and it had

1041
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: come back livery and the first time she got it,

1042
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: she was fine, and so I frankly took that for granted.

1043
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: And then I'm also running around doing my thing. I

1044
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: got my sister take care mom. So I'm like, everybody's

1045
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: good and I'm doing my thing, and then all of

1046
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, I get that phone call from her, Hello, honey.

1047
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: I was there. I didn't leave her house for four

1048
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: or five days, and I was there when she made

1049
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: the phone call too, which right.

1050
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: You heard her make the call. Yes, you never told

1051
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: me that.

1052
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: I know well because it wasn't speaking to you, remember

1053
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: that part.

1054
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: And the phone call was, hello, honey, it's your mom.

1055
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: Hope you're well. You should check in before next Thursday, Maymond,

1056
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: whatever day it was checking it will be my last

1057
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: day of life, okay, goodbye.

1058
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: I was there and I remember thinking, yeah, that's gonna sting,

1059
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: But I also like, that's a voice message it because mom.

1060
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: Her body was gone, Yes, your body, her mom. Her

1061
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: mind was there, but she was skeletal. She couldn't eat,

1062
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: and she's like, can I please do this?

1063
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: And I couldn't take it anymore. And she had like

1064
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: canker sores that were so bad because the treatment. She

1065
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: couldn't even swallow anything. Yeah, Like it was.

1066
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: Such pain, Yeah, it was. It was devastating. And yet

1067
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: the whole thing was terrifying. It was so awful and unimaginable.

1068
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: And I'm fifty seven now, and to think she was

1069
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: fifty five, I thought she seemed older. Then you know

1070
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: what I mean, but right, but yeah, but I think

1071
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: I'm really loud. I'm proud of about my age because of that. Right,

1072
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: But it was so devastating because that's another thing. Mom

1073
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: had had a mammogram. You said it had had missed

1074
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: from mammograms. It was the tumor was so high. They

1075
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: missed it.

1076
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they missed it.

1077
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: They missed it.

1078
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1079
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: But and she founded herself too late.

1080
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: So we were in there, and we're in the back

1081
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: of us.

1082
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: So the doctor's there and he administers the first injection.

1083
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: Mom was holding a picture of us, a black and

1084
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: white photo of us. Yeah, beautiful photo of us. Yeah,

1085
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: and when we were little. And I looked at you

1086
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 2: and said, and she said, how long is this going

1087
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: to take? I remember my children and should not have

1088
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: to endure that.

1089
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: I don't remember this. Thank you for that.

1090
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: That was that, Remember, I could could barely breathe at that.

1091
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: So that was when you.

1092
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: And I and I waited a little longer until she

1093
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: got a little less lucid, and then she grabbed our

1094
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: hands and works of art.

1095
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said that.

1096
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: You know what, I felt like we were like she

1097
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: We were super close to her. I was her best

1098
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: friend the world you know, every and and then I left.

1099
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 2: I looked at you. I said, you don't have to stay,

1100
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: and you said, I can't leave her alone.

1101
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: And I just took off.

1102
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: And then the weirdest thing is I went into the

1103
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: living room and I sat on Anne Getty's lap, poor

1104
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 2: Anne La.

1105
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: For the last breast. Come on, man, and I, you know,

1106
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: I ware right about it.

1107
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: I asked you to go, and you wouldn't.

1108
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: I just I didn't know what else to do. And

1109
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: I was like, it's okay for you to go. I

1110
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, my god.

1111
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's interesting because I similarly didn't leave Dad's side.

1112
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 2: I was laying next to him for the last four days,

1113
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 2: twenty four hours.

1114
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: He passed away shortly after I became governor exactly, and

1115
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: lived to watch his son get elected governor and didn't

1116
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: make it through the inaugural. You'll see little Dutch up

1117
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: there and the kids. I wish you my gush. But

1118
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: and I write about that, and this book basically runs

1119
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: up till about that time. It's not a book about

1120
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: my governor's race. It's again, it's all. It's everything going back,

1121
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: with one exception that transition, which includes Dad's death and

1122
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: then a little bit in the epilogue.

1123
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no. And it was interesting because with Dad. I

1124
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: don't know if I told you this, but I'm lying

1125
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 2: next to him, and this is the night before he dies.

1126
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: He died. He died in the morning, and he kept

1127
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: saying Mom's name. The dad kept saying Tessa in the

1128
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: middle of the night. And I was like, Okay, I

1129
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 2: think we know where this is heading.

1130
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: Ah that because I got there like an hour later.

1131
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: Maybe not even I think you were there pretty quickly, right,

1132
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: you were there within fifteen minutes. Yeah, And then you

1133
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: and I sat in the room with him, and then

1134
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: you looked outside and that hawk like Hillary, look there's

1135
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: a hot out there, and literally like.

1136
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: A Paragne falcon or something like. It was crazy.

1137
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: And then you kept sitting there like like if there

1138
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: was a spirit animal.

1139
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, now there's something else going on.

1140
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: And you literally kept saying, hasn't moved, Hillary, Look it's

1141
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: doing it.

1142
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 1: And it's never been there, no, never any seconds after

1143
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: Dad passes, but his entire history was going bird photographing,

1144
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: bird watching. It is obsession with birds.

1145
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: And it did and you kept whispering it because I

1146
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: think you thought if you said it loudly, the bird wouldave.

1147
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: You're like, it's still their hell, and we sat there

1148
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: until someone came. Yeah, that was hard.

1149
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: I mean.

1150
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: The good news is is that you know, I mean,

1151
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 2: and I'll say this, you're you're in a hurry, you're

1152
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: super busy. But I've never doubted for one second that

1153
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: you always have my back. No, I love that, and

1154
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: it's we're so lucky for that, you know what I mean,

1155
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: Because these are things like even in that moment where

1156
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: I was upset with you, I with Mom, I really

1157
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: it really resonated in the book with me that I

1158
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: did read that you stayed focused on work because then

1159
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: it wouldn't happen. And I didn't get it at the time,

1160
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: and I got it later. I got it later. I'm like,

1161
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: he wasn't there because if he was there, then Mom

1162
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 2: would die. And if you weren't there, she couldn't leave

1163
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: you, you know what I mean. Like I think I intellectualized

1164
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: it something like that made me feel better.

1165
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's yeah, and just I mean, it's

1166
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: just when you know, when you when you can't control something,

1167
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: you control what you can control, which is your work,

1168
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: and that effort. I just you need to try to compartmentalize,

1169
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: and so much of it like in this racket of

1170
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: politics getting just crushed twenty four. I mean like literally

1171
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: every you know this, you see what's like every ten

1172
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: minutes trying to just end, Like I mean, I want

1173
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: as I pick up my phone right after this and

1174
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: be like, oh God, now what. And so you have

1175
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: to compartmentalize in order to get through the day. You

1176
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: just have to. And so it's been it's all my life,

1177
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: but it's you know, shaped a lot of it by

1178
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: those early experiences. And by the way, including Mom's early experiences.

1179
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: We talk about that in the book, that stuff. I

1180
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't fully appreciate her dad, who took his life not

1181
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: an assisted suicide, but a suicide the guns had. He

1182
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: was a prisoner war and Corrigador came back and severe

1183
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: drinking problems, but also put a gun to his daughters,

1184
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: both of them Mom and her sister's head against the

1185
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: fire and told us that they don't talk about that,

1186
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: and so that early trauma sort of echoes, right, just

1187
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: generations and you know I saw that, but you mentioned

1188
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: and you know, just I don't want to I don't

1189
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: want to take too much more of your time. But

1190
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit. We talked only a tunny

1191
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: bit about the gettyess. You mentioned Dan Getty and not

1192
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: a lot of aout the Getties, which play a huge

1193
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: role in this. And Gettis are a wealthy family that

1194
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: Dad grew up with in high school. New two members

1195
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: of the family. Uh, their father at the time was

1196
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: arguably the richest man in the world, j Paul Getty oil,

1197
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, oil primarily as his business and and so

1198
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: much of his life was shaped in that relationship. So

1199
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: much of our life ultimately became shaped in that relationship.

1200
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: So we've described mom in that respect, were described Dad's

1201
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: advocacy and his love for an environment and adventure and

1202
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, and you know all things sar Shriver as

1203
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy behind me. You know that this notion of

1204
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: solving for ignorance, poverty, and disease, and so the vernacular

1205
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: the sixties that defined Dad in terms of social justice,

1206
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: racial justice, but he also as an advocate for the family.

1207
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: His life was shaped and our lives was shaped by

1208
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: the Getties. Do you have any early memories?

1209
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: Oh? All, I mean, uh, you know, it's funny because

1210
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: when Dad was in the hospital and we had to

1211
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: make the decision of do we bring him home? And

1212
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: we knew what that meant. And I remember Anne and

1213
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: Gordon running into the hospital and Getty and Gordon, Getty

1214
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: running into the hospital and uh, Anne grabs.

1215
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: His best friend.

1216
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you that exactly that that

1217
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: sweet story. So she grabbed my hand and she's she said,

1218
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: you're mine, Hillary, You're mine, You're my girl, and you

1219
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: always have been, and you're gonna be okay and hugged me.

1220
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: And I remember that, Gordon, the night before dad died

1221
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: and you.

1222
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: Were and by the way, that's saying something after you

1223
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: lose your mom and you know, and then you lose

1224
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: your dad, to have someone like that saying you know,

1225
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: I got you.

1226
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, you'll always your your mine, and you'll

1227
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: always always hear friend, You're going to be okay. And

1228
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: then you and I were sitting at the house the

1229
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: night before Dad passed and Gordon said, you know a

1230
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: lot of people say, and you have a version of

1231
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: this in the book, but a lot of people say

1232
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: they're Bill Newsom's best friend, he said, but I'm his

1233
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: best best friend. And that's exactly what Gordon Getty said so.

1234
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: But back to the early childhood, I mean we grew

1235
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: up going to their house from I mean, we grew

1236
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: up with the kids. We traveled with them on you know,

1237
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of trips big and small.

1238
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: I write about them in the book. I mean, yeah,

1239
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: crazy King Wong, Carlos and just like right, but also

1240
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: like then just river rafting, like just camping and out

1241
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: there not clamping like legit out there like more rugged,

1242
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: more traditional stuff. You would you know that a lot

1243
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: of us get a win Obago type thing to do

1244
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: and then these crazy sort of you know, ten star

1245
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: not five star trips.

1246
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just always loving us always. And I think

1247
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: I was. I was much closer to Anne when I

1248
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: was younger, because she had the boys, you know, the

1249
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: four plus one, and me I was the girl, So

1250
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: I was I was so close to her. She was

1251
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: so loving. I mean she hosted Talita's Sweet sixteen, and

1252
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: you know, and Ciena and Talita both went to her school.

1253
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: And she was so loving to Jeff. I mean we

1254
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: had a really close relationship. She hosted all sorts of

1255
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: parties and things like that for us and for me,

1256
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: and and she loved Mom even though that was awkward, right,

1257
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: And so because of the divorce, she taught Mom to

1258
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: needle point. I don't know if you know that. Yeah,

1259
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: And so she was just a beautiful person. But what

1260
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: I think people don't realize about Anne in particular is

1261
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: that Anne Getty is the most was the most humble,

1262
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: like not fancy. I remember we went to India that

1263
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: trip that you describe. I think that Ant took Mom

1264
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: and me and Barbara and we were gone for three weeks.

1265
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: Aunt Barbara news from Yeah, and literally every single person

1266
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: who was on the periphery of the trip was like, oh,

1267
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: this isn't you know, the nicest hotel? And Anne just

1268
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: went with it. I mean, she was authentic, she wasn't pretentious,

1269
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: she was approachable.

1270
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: And when she died, she died years ago, and I

1271
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: actually it got edited out I write about the phone

1272
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: call it guy. When she died, it was devastating, devastating, devastating,

1273
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: like because that was what I didn't know she said

1274
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: that to you. But I always felt that with Anne,

1275
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: and she was going to be alive for the rest

1276
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: of our lives, and it was like, and she was

1277
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: going to be that. And then when she died, that

1278
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: was I was. It was a few years ago. I

1279
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I was right there far Oaks and in

1280
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: my closet and Stanley Gotti, our close friend, called and

1281
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: I just remember just falling down on a chair and

1282
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: then I couldn't talk and I hung up on him.

1283
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: I said, I can't deal with this. Yeah.

1284
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: No, it was devastating because she truly was family. And

1285
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: and you know, every time I had I was sick,

1286
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: or had a surgery or something always recovered at her house.

1287
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: She always looked out after me. It was our fairy godmother,

1288
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: our fairy godmother, and she knew, she knew how to

1289
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: behave with Mom, meaning she knew that we had to

1290
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: compartmentalize everything, and she'd always send me home though with

1291
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: a present for Mom. I think we've I think, you know,

1292
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: we we sort of put it aside and let her

1293
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: find it herself because we didn't.

1294
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: Want to be Mom wasn't part of those early trips,

1295
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: so that came later. This Mom was like that we

1296
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: would go on these exotic trips.

1297
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: Before when she went on her friend the year before.

1298
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: She died, so she was never part of that. And

1299
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: then she would watch her two kids go on these exotic.

1300
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: Racations on a private to a private plane.

1301
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, privately, fifty one weeks a year or moms one week,

1302
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: we do this thing and we come back and mom

1303
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: would be, oh, I hope you enjoyed the trip, good night,

1304
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: and then never talk about it again. And we'd drag

1305
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: our bags and have to unpack, and you didn't want

1306
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: to talk about it. She was like the passive aggressive,

1307
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: I hope you had fun. I was here working three jobs.

1308
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: But I'm a grinder. Yeah, I like the heart work.

1309
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: I love the heartwork. I'm not a guy at doosanding. No,

1310
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: except in this interview. I doubted it. I confess I

1311
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: did not interview. Yeah, I didn't fully prepare for this

1312
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: interview because I would have come with the receipts to

1313
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: challenge some of your assertions and assumptions. Yeah, I would

1314
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: have called you out. I mean, this has gone through

1315
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: a scrutiny in fact check. Though you suggest thirteen when

1316
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: I think you were thirteen up there, Canada. You were twelve.

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00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: I was twelve, and that wasting that that was a humiliating.

1318
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: Well you put you, you.

1319
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: Said, because you you out there?

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00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: He said, it was okay, And this is the bed

1321
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: wedding thing. But it's hard she want you.

1322
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: Don't you know why it's relevant because you protected me

1323
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: and you made sure that nobody that's the that's the

1324
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: reason it's in there. It's not in there to make

1325
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: me embarrassed.

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00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad it wasn't you know. I didn't know I

1327
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: was you never know like older brother.

1328
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: Well, you were kind of abusive when we were really little.

1329
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: You we watched a lot of it was going really well.

1330
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: We used to watch a lot of cartoons when we

1331
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: lived on Toledo Way with Rachel Robin and Rebecca. Mom

1332
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: slept in the dining room as you as you noticed,

1333
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: and it has a wooden there was a wooden bed

1334
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: frame and then the just the bed sat in it.

1335
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: So but it was like on the floor, remember, so

1336
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: just like a box around them. And you used to

1337
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: take me and spin me around until my out of

1338
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: the socket. Actually did one of the times I fell

1339
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: at the corner of the bed. Yeah, yeah, you broke

1340
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: the window at least on three occasions. Thank god, Uncle

1341
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: Paul always saved the day and came over and he

1342
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: he also taught us how to pop my arm back in.

1343
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 2: And then you would make me run down the hall

1344
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: and try and on a banana peel because you thought

1345
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: it was so funny. So you were like re enacting.

1346
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: I mean, thank road Runner, and you didn't give me

1347
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: done in my pocket or something.

1348
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: I get it. You're saying that I was watching.

1349
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: You were watching these influenced by cartoons slip on a

1350
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: banana peel. I'm like that sounds great.

1351
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe it explains my four kids a little

1352
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: bit of grass.

1353
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Every time you're like, don't do that,

1354
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, he did it. He did it ten times.

1355
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm raising two kids on our own. Now, that's brutal.

1356
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: I can't even I got a rock star wife and

1357
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: we have some help periodically, but how to including you

1358
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: that come over and help the kids and I'm like

1359
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: overwhelmed the kid in it. Like last night I had

1360
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: to go, I'm like, I can't do it.

1361
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: The best part to when you left last night we read.

1362
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: An event, an event with the speaker to be came

1363
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: Jeffreys and Nancy Pelosi with their house. What a homecoming

1364
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: and so you know it was a fundraiser for getting

1365
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: the congressional majority back.

1366
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gavin announced it. You announced you had to

1367
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: leave because your wife was out a ton and you

1368
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: didn't have a babysitter. And then I looked at my

1369
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 2: table and I said, because the babysitters right here. I

1370
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: got a good laugh out of that. The truth. But

1371
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: you know, you know how Mom did it. A lot

1372
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:36,959
Speaker 2: of it, A lot of they were very they.

1373
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: Were big, they'very huge and planing. I write about Paul

1374
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: and both of them in terms of their influence. Yeah. No,

1375
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean we're we're blessed. I mean, and that was

1376
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, we were blessed. I mean, despite

1377
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, the It just one of the reasons I

1378
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: want to write this book is Mom deserved the real story.

1379
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad because I'm so sick and tired of this

1380
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: notion that everything was handed and you deserved it.

1381
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 2: You know.

1382
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: It's like we deserve it. You know. It's like, come on,

1383
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: hate me politically character and I played into it. I'm

1384
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: not an idiot. I've done a million things to play

1385
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: the type. And I write about that.

1386
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it, honestly.

1387
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: No, And that's the thing I'm trying to like really scrutinize.

1388
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get it, but I also want you

1389
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: to get that other people around me don't deserve to

1390
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: be piled into that. And so in some way, in

1391
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: many ways, it wasn't just about me telling my story.

1392
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: It was allowing you, guys, all the grace of your story,

1393
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: this space where you aren't characterized, charactertered as something you're not.

1394
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: No. I mean, we've worked. And that's the thing I

1395
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: tell people all the time when they're like, oh, silver spoon,

1396
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are you so angry that he's successful?

1397
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: Because he works so hard. You don't have boundaries. You

1398
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: give and give and give and give. And you, I

1399
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: mean every minute of every day, if you're not with

1400
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: the kids or gen or you know, working, your teaching

1401
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 2: yourself something new, you're learning, you're absorbing your I mean also,

1402
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: and you make so many sacrifices and so what if

1403
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: you dress nice, that's great, Like you.

1404
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: Know you like my shirt?

1405
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: That is yeah, I think I gave you that for Christmas.

1406
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: Your shirt, it's my new it's my new blue shirt,

1407
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: which is pretty much the only shirt that I will wear.

1408
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: I was going to say it's blue or white. I

1409
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: was wondering we were going.

1410
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: To come with two gears.

1411
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 2: I was surprised im surprised you went gray. I thought

1412
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: maybe you would be like, you know, scary, you really.

1413
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: Are doing this. I exposed my dipity do the first

1414
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: time I used you know, translution gel from Walgreens.

1415
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: I got and I had to pay you five dollars

1416
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: to try and leave my strength to fit because.

1417
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: I was wearing a suit. God, I was such a loser.

1418
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: It wasn't a loser. It was an innovator. And you did.

1419
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, I was, You're an entrepreneur.

1420
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: You were an entrepreneur from the gate, like all those things,

1421
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, those money making suits and ruined our backyard.

1422
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: But legit. And I see that in your son Hunter too.

1423
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: He's always growing up with you. I love that. Yeah,

1424
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: I love that. I just got to have that entrepreneur mindset.

1425
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: Got to increase the number tries, try new things, learn

1426
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: from mistakes, be willing to make mistakes. Yeah, that's what

1427
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: your kids are. Perfect back a little bit and they say,

1428
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: I swear, I continue to go back to this just

1429
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: like it's the gift. Oh God, I'm so lucky because

1430
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: I can't do things the way other people can do it.

1431
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: Can't read those speeches. You have to make up for

1432
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: it in other ways. You'll overcompensate, but you also have

1433
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: a visual there's a visual quality. I'm not sure it's reflected.

1434
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: It's so much.

1435
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: It's so good you talk about it so openly, though,

1436
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: because I remember when you spoke at colmra to the

1437
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: Sacred Heart where the girls were going to school when

1438
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 2: they were in second and fourth grade. I think, and

1439
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: you in the head of school said what you did

1440
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: in five minutes. You know, these kids are dyslexic, could

1441
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: here for fifteen years through therapy and parents, and that

1442
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: you change like their mindset in a minute, in an instant.

1443
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: So the fact that you have constantly talked about your

1444
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 2: dyslexia and how you you're so successful and you've overcome.

1445
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: It has been really important. I was so cool. I

1446
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: was just at the JFK Library, which, by the way,

1447
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: you can appreciate for me, for you, like, I mean,

1448
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: it's like a shrine, you know, Bobby, and and I'm

1449
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: like talking, I'm talking about the book. And then there was,

1450
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: of course, what's the best memory I have? This little

1451
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: kid he had a suit and tie on, and he

1452
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: comes up and his mom, he's very nervous, puts his

1453
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: set down. It's just I have dyslexie it too, and

1454
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get down on my knees. I look

1455
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: at him. I'm tearing up. I'm just talking though, and

1456
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, how you you know you're doing all right?

1457
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: Don't You're not giving up. It's like I'm not giving up,

1458
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: I said, And I'm like, and I give him a

1459
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: hug and then he walks away. I'm like, oh God,

1460
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: that was me. But I never had the guts to

1461
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: be that me. You know, Like.

1462
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: That's so important and that courage because it's courageous that

1463
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: you talk about all of your flaws too, And I

1464
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: appreciate it because in the moments when you were making

1465
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: mistakes and I called you out on him.

1466
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: And all of them are in the book. Another reason.

1467
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: My book's coming out soon and the rest of the no.

1468
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: But I would say that you know, you didn't shy away,

1469
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: and I think that's that for me. It shows integrity

1470
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: because that that's not easy to put out all your mistakes.

1471
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: Well that's you know, it's called life perfection. It's a

1472
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: journey and I'm still on it trying to get better.

1473
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: We'll make more mistakes. I just hope it's not the

1474
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: same ones. With that, I'm not going to make the

1475
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: mistake of inviting you back to talk about some of

1476
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: those flaws. So this has been Hillary Newsome on this,

1477
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: Gavin