Speaker 1: My dad like, never let me cry as a kid.
Speaker 1: He said, there's a sign of weakness, like don't let
Speaker 1: me ever see you shed a tear. So I remember
Speaker 1: just holding back through those difficult times as a kid,
Speaker 1: holding back most of that stuff. In twenty twenty, I cried.
Speaker 1: I hadn't cried for at least I think at least
Speaker 1: ten years, maybe more so. I remember kind of being
Speaker 1: on my knees thinking, now, what is happening in the world.
Speaker 1: I've got to be outspoken. I've got to take that chance,
Speaker 1: because if I don't do it, then no one's going
Speaker 1: to do it. I don't care if my partners want
Speaker 1: to drop me, because I don't want to be associated
Speaker 1: with this narrative. Hey everyone, welcome back to Our Purpose,
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Speaker 1: love sitting down with people who dedicated to their own happiness,
Speaker 1: their own health, their own healing, and doing that for
Speaker 1: the world through their work. And I have to be honest,
Speaker 1: it's not every day that you get to sit down
Speaker 1: with someone you admire, you're inspired by, you look up to,
Speaker 1: and someone who is truly the definition of the word goat.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the one and only Sir Lewis Hamilton,
Speaker 1: even time Formula One World champion, someone with over a
Speaker 1: hundred race wins, considered the most successful F one driver
Speaker 1: of all time, and Lewis's willingness to embrace what makes
Speaker 1: him different has defined its values and outlook on life,
Speaker 1: and in twenty fourteen, those values saw him win BBC's
Speaker 1: Sports Personality of the Year, followed two years later by
Speaker 1: a position in Time Magazine's hundred Most Influential People list.
Speaker 1: Lewis received both accolades for a second time in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: in a year that saw him become a leading voice
Speaker 1: in the global fight for racial equality. In doing so,
Speaker 1: he was recognized as British GQ's Game Changer of the
Speaker 1: Year and Power Lists most Influential Black Person in the UK.
Speaker 1: And further to this, Lewis won the twenty twenty Laureus
Speaker 1: Sportsman of the Year award and most notably was formally
Speaker 1: recognized with a knighthood in twenty twenty New Year's Honors
Speaker 1: for his outstanding achievements and contribution to motorsports on the
Speaker 1: track and off the track. Lewis is also passionate activists
Speaker 1: for so many underrepresented groups and communities. His Mission forty
Speaker 1: four is doing incredible work. Please welcome to On Purpose Lewis,
Speaker 1: Hamilton Lewis, thank you for being here. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having me. No this honestly, is a special
Speaker 1: one for me. It's been one of those ones that
Speaker 1: you know, when I first launched the podcast, there are
Speaker 1: a few names that I wanted to sit down with
Speaker 1: and you were one of those names. So for me,
Speaker 1: it's a very special moment. And for this to be
Speaker 1: your first ever podcast, which you just told me I
Speaker 1: didn't even know, and you literally toot me it's like
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago, and in my head, I'm thinking, wow,
Speaker 1: thank I'm so grateful to have that. Honest mind, I'm
Speaker 1: really so grateful for everything you do. And so I've
Speaker 1: been following and listen to you, and you sent me
Speaker 1: the book a long time ago already, so I really
Speaker 1: appreciate everything you're doing today. Oh well, thank you man,
Speaker 1: Thank you. And I'm excited to unpack your journey because,
Speaker 1: as we said, because it's your first podcast, people have
Speaker 1: heard parts of you, but we don't really understand the
Speaker 1: depth and the texture of Lewis Hamilton. And so I
Speaker 1: guess I want to start in a different place and
Speaker 1: we'll kind of go through on this journey. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you, what do you feel is the hardest
Speaker 1: thing you've had to do in order to be who
Speaker 1: you are today, I think, continue to have the belief
Speaker 1: in myself and not letting that veer off. Since I
Speaker 1: was young, since I've been told from my teachers that
Speaker 1: I would never amount to nothing the bullying or the
Speaker 1: things that you face at the adversity, you face the
Speaker 1: discrimination and just continue to keep your head up, continuing
Speaker 1: to march on ahead towards your dream and never losing sight. Now,
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely for sure. The most difficult thing
Speaker 1: is keeping keeping your goal and your eyes set on
Speaker 1: that and not being distracted, not giving up. I think
Speaker 1: the easiest thing in life is to give up on
Speaker 1: whatever you know, whatever you're focused on, or whatever you're
Speaker 1: hopeful for. The hardest thing is to continue to keep are.
Speaker 1: But we have to, like, we have to continue to
Speaker 1: hold on, and I would imagine for so many people
Speaker 1: out there that is that is probably the most difficult thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a great answer, because I think people
Speaker 1: look at you and they assume that you never have
Speaker 1: to make their choice, right. They see someone in your position,
Speaker 1: someone who's achieved what you've achieved, and the assumption can be, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's the greatest. He was. He was just always
Speaker 1: that way. And he doesn't have to make that choice
Speaker 1: every day. But as you said, since the beginning of
Speaker 1: your life, whether it's childhood, whether it's breaking into a
Speaker 1: sport that wasn't set up for you, there have been
Speaker 1: so many moments. Let's let's go back to school. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about some of that more in depth, because I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people struggle at school, but
Speaker 1: you kind of went through a lot of altercations and
Speaker 1: adversities at that time. What were some of the things
Speaker 1: you were hearing, some of the bullying, some of the racism,
Speaker 1: the experiences that you had that felt limiting or made
Speaker 1: it feel like it was easier to give up. I
Speaker 1: think for me, school was the most probably the most
Speaker 1: traumatizing and most difficult part of my life. I already
Speaker 1: was being bullied at the age of six. I think
Speaker 1: at the time that particular school, I was probably one
Speaker 1: of three kids of color and just bigger, stronger, bullying
Speaker 1: kids were throwing me around a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: I was always the last picked in the you know,
Speaker 1: when you're standing the playground and you're in the line
Speaker 1: of when they're picking teams for football. I was always
Speaker 1: the last one chosen or not even chosen, even if
Speaker 1: I was better than somebody else. And then the constant jabs,
Speaker 1: the things that are either thrown at you, like bananas
Speaker 1: or people that would use the m ware just so relaxed,
Speaker 1: people cooling you, half cast and you know, just really
Speaker 1: not knowing where you fit in. That for me was difficult.
Speaker 1: When you then go into like history class and everything
Speaker 1: you learn in history, there are no people of color
Speaker 1: in the history that they were teaching us. So I
Speaker 1: was thinking, oh, well, where were the people that look
Speaker 1: like me? And I mean for me in my school,
Speaker 1: there was only around I think there was around seven
Speaker 1: maybe six seven black kids out of twelve hundred kids,
Speaker 1: and three of us are out put outside the headmaster's
Speaker 1: office all the time. The headmaster just had it out
Speaker 1: for us and particularly for me, I would say, so
Speaker 1: like just juggling all these different emotions that you're feeling. Plus,
Speaker 1: I struggled at school. I didn't find out till I
Speaker 1: was sixteen that I was dyslexic. Fortunately, I came across
Speaker 1: a teacher that was actually caring and took me down
Speaker 1: that road and helped me discover a little bit more
Speaker 1: about myself and how I can better myself through education.
Speaker 1: But I think that for me was that was tough.
Speaker 1: Also because I was racing every weekend. I would leave
Speaker 1: on the Thursday night, we would travel, you pack up
Speaker 1: the motor home. We would travel around the country to
Speaker 1: race on the weekends, and no one else knew. When
Speaker 1: I'd got back to school, all the kids have done
Speaker 1: normal things on the weekend, and I'll come back and
Speaker 1: say I'm I was racing and people would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've done that before, you know, like at at the
Speaker 1: theme park or something. But no one really knew what
Speaker 1: my goal was and could really they thought we would.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a joke. You missed that a lot
Speaker 1: of that social interaction. Also, I was putting all the
Speaker 1: lowest sets at school and told that if you do well,
Speaker 1: you can progress, and then never ever let me progress,
Speaker 1: no matter how hard I tried. So I really felt
Speaker 1: that the system was really up against me, and I
Speaker 1: was kind of swimming against the tide. But I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful for that that journey, because that's what built me
Speaker 1: to the person at AM today. But there were a
Speaker 1: lot of things that I suppressed because I couldn't go
Speaker 1: home and say hey to my I didn't feel I
Speaker 1: could go home and tell to my parents that, you know,
Speaker 1: these kids kept calling me the mware today, I got bullied,
Speaker 1: I got beaten up at school today, or I you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to defend myself. I didn't want my
Speaker 1: dad to think I was not strong, and so I would,
Speaker 1: you know, if I had tears, I would hold them back.
Speaker 1: If I had emotions, it would be in a quiet place.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't really till I started racing that I
Speaker 1: was able to channel this emotion that I had into
Speaker 1: my driving. And it's like when I put this helmet on.
Speaker 1: Superman was my favorite. I loved how he fought for
Speaker 1: the people, and I loved how he did the right things,
Speaker 1: and he was a really inspiring character for me. But again,
Speaker 1: no superhero was of color, so you know, but you
Speaker 1: can still aspire to be someone that's if they don't
Speaker 1: look like you, you know. And so I remember going
Speaker 1: to karate. I remember putting this helmet on and racing
Speaker 1: and it felt like it was my cloak, you know,
Speaker 1: that my superpowers could come out when I was driving
Speaker 1: and I was battling with these kids and I was
Speaker 1: doing able to do things that they seemed to not
Speaker 1: be able to do as well, and that was my love. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's my mine was opposite. I was bullied
Speaker 1: a lot at school as well. I was one of
Speaker 1: five people of color in my primary school and I
Speaker 1: was also overweight, and so I was bullied for that.
Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, my parents are from Indian backgrounds
Speaker 1: and so they'd gone through it much worse than I
Speaker 1: did when when they'd moved to England. But the difference
Speaker 1: was that I would go cry to my mom and
Speaker 1: then my mum would come try and save the day
Speaker 1: in school, and that was the worst. That's so embarrassing,
Speaker 1: Like your mom's like telling the teacher what happened, and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh no, mom, don't do this, and
Speaker 1: then it's even more embarrassing because the kids pick on you,
Speaker 1: going oh mom came to say. So that was my
Speaker 1: version of it. I wasn't scared of crying to my mom,
Speaker 1: but then it had it had different things. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so hard as a kid when you're going through
Speaker 1: that and you're trying to find yourself. You're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what confidence is. You don't even know what
Speaker 1: that means. You feel like not going to school. But
Speaker 1: then even though you're saying you found it in racing,
Speaker 1: I mean racing was similar because you were working class.
Speaker 1: You're still to this day the only working class black
Speaker 1: driver to do as successfully as you have. So not
Speaker 1: only do you have it at school, you also have
Speaker 1: it in your passion, like in the thing that is
Speaker 1: your cloak, is your Superman. So how does it feel
Speaker 1: when you're also dealing with it in that area where
Speaker 1: you've discovered what your passion or your interest is at
Speaker 1: that age? What does it feel like when you're getting
Speaker 1: in that space it's inescapable, you know, you're use that
Speaker 1: as an escape, but then you're confronted with it also.
Speaker 1: And so I was just grateful that I had this
Speaker 1: amazing figure in my dad. You know, I got my
Speaker 1: best one of my best friends, like his dad was
Speaker 1: never there. I know, there's not many people that have
Speaker 1: separated parents, and being shared between parents is not an
Speaker 1: easy thing. You know, some days with your moment and
Speaker 1: some days with your dad. My mom was the soft,
Speaker 1: loving parent, So that's where I really I feel like
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of compassion and empathy. That's where
Speaker 1: I feel like get it from her and my dad
Speaker 1: was at that strong like kind of stronger rock and
Speaker 1: also just someone that looked like me on and just
Speaker 1: he would say, do you're talking on the track, don't
Speaker 1: be distracted by it, don't listen to what they're saying.
Speaker 1: Do you're driving on the track and show let's just
Speaker 1: be quiet and walk away as well as you know. So,
Speaker 1: but you know, again, like your parents, my parents went
Speaker 1: through what particularly, my dad was someone that also face
Speaker 1: adversity through his life, and he's like, I want to
Speaker 1: do everything in my power to create a better life
Speaker 1: for my kid so that they don't feel or experience
Speaker 1: the things that I've encountered and through my through my
Speaker 1: journey and so but I think for me it was
Speaker 1: also difficult having by racial you know, I'm by racial,
Speaker 1: So having a white mother for example, and a black dad.
Speaker 1: I knew my dad would understand the racial slurs that
Speaker 1: I was thrown at me. My mum I couldn't understand it,
Speaker 1: So I couldn't really speak to my mum about it.
Speaker 1: She was loving, but she had never been educated within it.
Speaker 1: She didn't know anything about black history and slavery, and
Speaker 1: so it was a very difficult. But I had loved
Speaker 1: there which was the most important thing. But in the
Speaker 1: racing it was like, you know, like kids, you just
Speaker 1: want to enjoy yourself. You want to be included, and
Speaker 1: you know when you're kind of outcast a little bit,
Speaker 1: it's it's difficult for kids, you know. And so that's
Speaker 1: why today, like I'm like, if I'm posting something, I
Speaker 1: hope that when I do click that button, I hope
Speaker 1: that it is the positive wave for some of the
Speaker 1: kids out there that are being distracted by all the
Speaker 1: stuff that's going on around the world. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was. I was telling you earlier, I was so grateful.
Speaker 1: Came up towards you and Austin a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago and got to meet your dad and I heard
Speaker 1: you talk about your dad in that way before, and
Speaker 1: so when I met him, I was it was I
Speaker 1: was just, you know, it was nice to share that
Speaker 1: with him, and I was just saying, how beautiful it
Speaker 1: is to see your relationship and how it's evolved. It's
Speaker 1: always been that way. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to walk us through wherever you feel. My dad has
Speaker 1: been like the leader in getting me. You know, he
Speaker 1: had four jobs at one stage just to keep us
Speaker 1: co kinding because when we always started go kind, most
Speaker 1: of the people were majority of the people were from
Speaker 1: working class families, so but then thereof of course a
Speaker 1: few wealthier kids that have slightly better access to equipment
Speaker 1: and mechanics and all those sorts of things. And my
Speaker 1: dad was my mechanic. So it was just me and
Speaker 1: him on the road and my stepmom Linda, she would
Speaker 1: be their supporting making sure that we're fully clothed, making
Speaker 1: sure that we we've eaten and we've hydrated, all those
Speaker 1: sorts of things, to the weekend, preparing my kid. So
Speaker 1: it was very much a family out and it's a
Speaker 1: family kind of family weekend. We did it as a family.
Speaker 1: We'd traveled together. My little brother would be on the
Speaker 1: road with us as well, who's a meager inspiration. You
Speaker 1: definitely got to speak to him one day. Born with
Speaker 1: SERAPALSI when I was seven and is a speaker today.
Speaker 1: So he's racing, he's done, he's defined all the odds
Speaker 1: and even though he's seven years younger than me's still
Speaker 1: very much an inspiration. But the thing with my dad
Speaker 1: was he was he was my manager all the way
Speaker 1: till I was like twenty I got we got to
Speaker 1: Fall one, and he was here. He worked so hard
Speaker 1: his work ethic for me was that that was inspiring
Speaker 1: for me, seeing how hard he worked at the time
Speaker 1: he gets up in the morning, the little sleep that
Speaker 1: you would have, end of his day in the garage,
Speaker 1: working on the go cart, preparing for the weekend, packing
Speaker 1: up the truck and getting us to where we are, mechanicing,
Speaker 1: learning to be a better mechanic, and and still weighing
Speaker 1: all these different things. It was quite phenomenal to see um,
Speaker 1: but I think it was difficult for him to then
Speaker 1: show me love. And sometimes you just want to hug
Speaker 1: from your dad, you know, or when you're facing these things,
Speaker 1: you want to be able to be embraced. But when
Speaker 1: I think I got two when I was twenty two
Speaker 1: twenty three, it got really intense when I got to
Speaker 1: Fall one, because all of a sudden you're thrown into
Speaker 1: you go through karting and cars. You don't go to
Speaker 1: school to learn to speak to the media. You literally
Speaker 1: thrown into the pit. And at the time I didn't
Speaker 1: have management other than my dad. I sent my my
Speaker 1: book Flights and Trips, but I didn't have pr I
Speaker 1: didn't have anybody to help protect me or prepare me
Speaker 1: for things. Driving I was good, I was saying, but
Speaker 1: in these things is where a lot of mistakes happened.
Speaker 1: You've got the the kind of all the media tension
Speaker 1: and you have to so you're just learning on the go,
Speaker 1: which was really difficult for a youngster. I think, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And also I just you wanted to try and live
Speaker 1: some sort of normal, normal life, but nothing is normal
Speaker 1: for you at the time. And I think for me
Speaker 1: and my dad, we're just we're really bumping hairs at
Speaker 1: one stage. It's like, I really just want you to
Speaker 1: be my dad, so we can let's go and have fun.
Speaker 1: Let's go and have a laugh. We hadn't had that
Speaker 1: for a long time, and so eventually I decided to
Speaker 1: set part ways from my dad, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to start making some of the decisions for
Speaker 1: myself and the mistakes that I'm going to need to make.
Speaker 1: And there was definitely a period of time where we
Speaker 1: spoke less, but we both have worked so hard to
Speaker 1: come back together and we have one of the greatest
Speaker 1: you know, he's the first person I want to call
Speaker 1: when I finish a race because I know he knows
Speaker 1: what it's like. He was there from day one, and
Speaker 1: so you know, he's been to the last two races
Speaker 1: with me. He's probably gonna come to the next one.
Speaker 1: There's days where I do feel like I'm not enough.
Speaker 1: There's days where I don't feel like I'm good enough,
Speaker 1: and people will be like, yeah, but you've won seven
Speaker 1: world titles. I'm like, yeah, but still there's days where
Speaker 1: I question, you've still got it? You still can you
Speaker 1: still be the best? Yes, you can, And so I
Speaker 1: have to just always I'm having that conversation with myself often,
Speaker 1: but my dad's also there. Sometimes I'll say something that's
Speaker 1: maybe not the most positive, and he'll be the one
Speaker 1: they're just reaffirming, No, you've got this believe in yourself.
Speaker 1: And it's so important for people to have people like
Speaker 1: that around them. And I support myself. I surround myself
Speaker 1: with other positive people as well, and we continue. I
Speaker 1: think it's all our job to lift every as many
Speaker 1: everyone up right. I want everyone around me to win
Speaker 1: and yeah, and to become the best versions of themselves.
Speaker 1: So now, thank you for sharing that as well, thank
Speaker 1: you for opening up about that, because yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the relationships we have with our parents are just so
Speaker 1: significant when it comes to achievement and success. And when
Speaker 1: you start doing sport at your level, even at an
Speaker 1: early age, wins and losses starts becoming so important. So
Speaker 1: winning loss is important in everyone's life in the sense
Speaker 1: that everyone has it in exams and school and things
Speaker 1: like that, which we'll talk about in a second as well.
Speaker 1: But for you, you're having it in a very over way,
Speaker 1: like you have one, two, three, and then you have
Speaker 1: everyone else. And how have you kind of worked with
Speaker 1: that since you're young, because I can imagine that your
Speaker 1: psychology can become very much like if you win, things
Speaker 1: are great, if you lose, things are bad. How have
Speaker 1: you kind of processed that as time's gone on? And
Speaker 1: was there a time when it was unhealthy and difficult?
Speaker 1: And has it got better or is it something you're
Speaker 1: always working on? So on one side of things, you know,
Speaker 1: I struggled at school, as I said, so the teachers
Speaker 1: would write these reports that I was not focused or
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing well, and I remember the fear of
Speaker 1: that report every year, and I'd try so hard to
Speaker 1: do well and then these teachers. I don't know if
Speaker 1: teachers out, they realize when they write those reports, what's
Speaker 1: happening back at home, whether you have an abusive household
Speaker 1: or you know, the stress of that was was difficult.
Speaker 1: I feel em racing if I if I would win,
Speaker 1: I could see a smile on my dad's face, and
Speaker 1: it was really like, Okay, if I do work at this,
Speaker 1: I know that I'll be accepted, you know, but I've
Speaker 1: got to work double hard to be I've got to
Speaker 1: always be first. I always laugh about the whole If
Speaker 1: you're not first, you're last, because I'm literally whilst that's
Speaker 1: obviously I'm not been first my whole life. First was everything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in order to be accepted, in order to fit in
Speaker 1: and maybe to be appreciated not only within my relationship
Speaker 1: perhaps with my dad, but then also around my friends.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I got older I realized it's
Speaker 1: about the bigger picture. But when you have success, it's
Speaker 1: so short lived. It's like it really is really short lived.
Speaker 1: You win a race, then you go back home and
Speaker 1: you have as a racing driver, you know, the weekend's
Speaker 1: so intense. You've seen it. There's so much energy, so
Speaker 1: much it's really really a stress way environment for everyone
Speaker 1: that's working within it. Then you go home and there's
Speaker 1: a huge come down, like one or two days later,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to balance those emotions of that emotional
Speaker 1: roller coaster. And learning to kind of channel that and
Speaker 1: figure out ways to keep it balanced with your routine
Speaker 1: and those sorts of things has been really key for me.
Speaker 1: But I think during the last couple of the last
Speaker 1: few years, really understanding that it's about the bigger picture.
Speaker 1: I'm fighting for something far greater than winning a race.
Speaker 1: I'm really fighting for change in the world. You know,
Speaker 1: we're more divided than ever. I would say, it's devastating.
Speaker 1: I can't watch the news. It's devastating. Ever there's so
Speaker 1: much happening, But there are so many great people out
Speaker 1: there that are doing really great things, and I want
Speaker 1: to be one of the I want to be a
Speaker 1: part of that inspirational energy bubble that people like yourselves
Speaker 1: are part of because we want to create we need
Speaker 1: to create a brighter future. We need to create better
Speaker 1: future leaders. And look how many look how bad our
Speaker 1: leaders are that are in governments. You know, like we
Speaker 1: need to be inspired in the next generation of thought
Speaker 1: leaders that are positive and um yeah, so I I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be a part of every day. I'm so,
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to focus on my intentions as you
Speaker 1: were talking about, like setting your intentions each day. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to learn new tools that I didn't have when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I didn't I didn't know about yoga,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about meditation. I didn't have podcasts to
Speaker 1: listen to, good people to listen to and aspire to
Speaker 1: kind of help me put on the right path. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of work to do, and there's
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Speaker 1: When we first connected, that was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: reasons for me that I saw you using your platform
Speaker 1: for a bigger purpose. I was like, Oh, that's fascinating,
Speaker 1: Like that's so interesting to me because that's a choice too.
Speaker 1: I think today we kind of assume that if someone
Speaker 1: has a platform, or if someone's you know, number one
Speaker 1: in their field, or if someone's got followers, that they
Speaker 1: should talk about stuff. We kind of assume that anyone
Speaker 1: who has follows should talk about stuff. First of all,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people choose not to. But you were someone that
Speaker 1: stood out to me massively where I was just like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this person's really not just winning on the track, but
Speaker 1: it's thinking about how winning on the track transfers to
Speaker 1: what you can do off the track because of the influence,
Speaker 1: because of your network, because of your impact. And I
Speaker 1: find that to be really the missing link for so
Speaker 1: many people. Because I always say that your purpose is
Speaker 1: something not just that makes you happy. It's when you
Speaker 1: use what makes you happy to serve other people, like
Speaker 1: when you use it to impact other people's lives. When
Speaker 1: did that drop for you? Like? When did that click
Speaker 1: for you? Like? Were you ever? I guess what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say is there's a transition when you're saying that, well,
Speaker 1: you know, winning, like maybe get the nod from my dad,
Speaker 1: and obviously I was bullied and then I'm winning, but
Speaker 1: then I'm number one. It's something like, was there a
Speaker 1: point at which number one didn't satisfy you? Or was
Speaker 1: there a point at which the success that came from it,
Speaker 1: or you didn't actually have to get dissatisfied, you just
Speaker 1: found that there was a better way to be successful.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? The part that was striking when
Speaker 1: you're just saying that. For me, it was like, I
Speaker 1: feel like we often live in fear of what people think,
Speaker 1: how you're going to be judged, how you're going to
Speaker 1: be received. If you're free, outspoken, you're gonna lose your job,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be fired. I've always been an outspoken person.
Speaker 1: I think that's just been a quality. I've never been
Speaker 1: a follower. I don't like to conform to how people
Speaker 1: expect people of what people expect from you. As I said,
Speaker 1: I was having a success and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm on that, I'm at the top. What can
Speaker 1: I do with it? Yeah? And there are so many causes.
Speaker 1: There's so many problems out there, and there's so many
Speaker 1: amazing causes, and which one. You know, there's only one
Speaker 1: of you, So like what where do you put the focus?
Speaker 1: And that's take It took a long long time to
Speaker 1: really find what that was for me. I think for me,
Speaker 1: education was something that I felt extremely passionate about because
Speaker 1: I've been out to India. I've been out into some
Speaker 1: of the really poorest places like Manila and seeing young
Speaker 1: kids who are like us, but begging for food, not
Speaker 1: having the same opportunities. And for me, that was that
Speaker 1: broke my heart and realize how privileged we are and
Speaker 1: how fortunate we are. It was like, I want to
Speaker 1: be working with people out there that are trying to
Speaker 1: create more. You know, there's over a one hundred million
Speaker 1: kids that don't have access to school education, So how
Speaker 1: can I get involved in that? So aligning yourself with
Speaker 1: people that do but I think I was. I was winning,
Speaker 1: and it was giving me that tip of happiness. But
Speaker 1: then I would kind of drop back down to normality
Speaker 1: and there was something missing, and it was that purpose really,
Speaker 1: or understanding what that purpose was and understanding what why
Speaker 1: you've been put here? Why are you beginning the platform
Speaker 1: that you've that you've been given. Why were the only
Speaker 1: people of color this whole time? Through it all? And
Speaker 1: when I started speaking about diversity, people like, oh, you
Speaker 1: want to get more people of coloring as as racing drivers,
Speaker 1: only twenty of us. So as I know, it's there's
Speaker 1: forty forty fifty thousand jobs, there's thousands of engineering jobs
Speaker 1: in the background, and there's such a lack of diversity
Speaker 1: coming through. I want to be a part of shifting
Speaker 1: that narrative and shifting that conversation and having people be
Speaker 1: question themselves and have those difficult conversations with people. So
Speaker 1: I first I just started by having those difficult conversations
Speaker 1: with my boss. And one of the things he brings
Speaker 1: up that he said that hit him hard. I said,
Speaker 1: have you ever thought of as a white person walking
Speaker 1: into the paddock, into the race weekend paddock and being
Speaker 1: the only white person there. He's like, He's like, I
Speaker 1: hadn't even thought of that, And I said, well, that's
Speaker 1: what it's like for someone like me when I'm in
Speaker 1: the room. You noticed, you noticed it. Out of fifty
Speaker 1: people in a meeting, you're the only person, the black
Speaker 1: person there. And it's not because we are less. It's
Speaker 1: because there are these barriers within society through education that
Speaker 1: are limiting people to be the best they can be.
Speaker 1: So my job is to be empowered and improvement representation.
Speaker 1: I'm really really passionate like black equity as well, So
Speaker 1: that's why I'll go involved with the Denver Broncos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and usually when I'm in conversation with sponsors or companies,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, so, what how diverse is your team?
Speaker 1: What are you doing about diversity inclusion? How are you
Speaker 1: creating a better work workspace for people? That's what I
Speaker 1: want to be a part of. The success can come later,
Speaker 1: and that's that would be along the way. But if
Speaker 1: you're not asking those questions or you're not tackling those issues,
Speaker 1: then we're not lighted. And so all of them. Pretty
Speaker 1: much every partner that we have and we have a
Speaker 1: lot of partners within our team I've asked these really
Speaker 1: difficult questions and they're like, oh, you know what, but
Speaker 1: we can do more. I'm like, well, let's do it,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think I've grown very close with
Speaker 1: my like Mercedes's dam and they've been so open that
Speaker 1: we changed the car from silver to black in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: As again I said to them, like, the car has
Speaker 1: been silver forever. It's always been the silver arrows us
Speaker 1: And I was like, imagine if we changed the car
Speaker 1: to black, what that could you know? Us turning it
Speaker 1: up and arriving. It's how you show up, and it's how,
Speaker 1: you know, imagine the message we can send. And we
Speaker 1: had the black car for the whole year and we
Speaker 1: didn't even really talk much about it. We just let
Speaker 1: it be and we won with it. And that's when
Speaker 1: I won my seventhealth title with that car. So that's
Speaker 1: beautiful now. That must have felt special. It was honestly
Speaker 1: my whole life flash by mine that last lap in Turkey,
Speaker 1: My whole life, like all the struggles questioning whether you
Speaker 1: were going to make it or not, just all those doubts,
Speaker 1: all those fears kind of flash by, you know, through
Speaker 1: my eyes and came across the line, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I did it, and I want the kids out there
Speaker 1: to know that you can do it too, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm trying to, like every day, just
Speaker 1: try to be encouraging of kids. Yeah, do you do
Speaker 1: you sometimes feel that we were talking about this a
Speaker 1: bit earlier, that you know, in other sports, we get
Speaker 1: to see the emotions and the expressions of players that
Speaker 1: we love or you know, anyone who's on the court
Speaker 1: or the field or the pitch, whereas with you, because
Speaker 1: we don't get to see that in your eyes in
Speaker 1: your last lap like that, we can only hear it today,
Speaker 1: Which is why I'm so grateful to have this moment
Speaker 1: because obviously, whenever I'm sitting down with someone who's a
Speaker 1: high performer like you, it's obvious that there's so much
Speaker 1: emotion and preparation and power. But with racing specifically, you
Speaker 1: just don't get to see that. Do you sometimes feel
Speaker 1: that the only people that can truly relate to you
Speaker 1: are the people you compete with, because I feel like it's,
Speaker 1: like you said, there's only twenty of you that are
Speaker 1: racing anyway, it's lonely anyway, Nine people in the world
Speaker 1: have no idea what it feels like to drive a
Speaker 1: car as fast as you do in the way you
Speaker 1: do in any comparison, do you sometimes feel that the
Speaker 1: only people you can relate to the people that are
Speaker 1: racing against you? And then do you kind of feel
Speaker 1: is there a loneliness in that experience or is that
Speaker 1: kind of like a power in that as well? Definitely
Speaker 1: the other drivers, I do feel that there's more. We
Speaker 1: have a lot more in common than we think, but
Speaker 1: with so competitive and a lot of us have bid defense,
Speaker 1: Like you want to beat the guy, but then you
Speaker 1: like the guy. You might like the person outside the car,
Speaker 1: but you can't show that. Like there's this whole psychological
Speaker 1: battle you're having with yourself and getting the wave of
Speaker 1: yourself a lot of the time. So I really feel
Speaker 1: like as an older driver, I'm trying to be more
Speaker 1: like reaching out to youngsters and because they're the future,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm excited to see some of these
Speaker 1: younger drivers are coming through are so so talented. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they've got the best structure around them,
Speaker 1: like I may not, Like I didn't necessarily have the
Speaker 1: ultimate structure that I perhaps have now, So just try
Speaker 1: to be a kind of a positive light to them.
Speaker 1: But naturally, none of them are black, and none of
Speaker 1: them have necessarily faced the same as me. But they've
Speaker 1: faced their own challenges and thinks about respecting that within everybody.
Speaker 1: And I've tried to be create allies necessarily in having
Speaker 1: the difficult conversations with some of them. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for I've had a couple of them that
Speaker 1: really took the knee with me in twenty twenty, just
Speaker 1: on that, you know, my dad was going back to
Speaker 1: the my dad. My dad like, never let me cry
Speaker 1: as a kid. He said, there's a sign of weakness,
Speaker 1: like don't let me ever see you shed a tear.
Speaker 1: So I remember just holding back through those difficult times
Speaker 1: as a kid, holding back most of that stuff. In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I cried. I hadn't cried for at least
Speaker 1: I think at least ten years, maybe more. It was
Speaker 1: there was a lot of bottle up stuff that came
Speaker 1: up that I had not realized that I don't even
Speaker 1: know about suppressing a pain or a feeling. So I
Speaker 1: remember kind of beaning on my knees, thinking, now, what
Speaker 1: has happened in the world. I've got to I've got
Speaker 1: to be outspoken. I've got to take that chance, because
Speaker 1: if I don't do it, then no one's going to
Speaker 1: do it. If I don't, if I don't take the knee,
Speaker 1: if I don't let people like me know that I
Speaker 1: care and I hear you and I'm with you, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to do something about it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: risk it all. I don't care if my partners want
Speaker 1: to drop me because I don't want to be associated
Speaker 1: with this narrative. I don't. I'm like, and I literally
Speaker 1: let go of all the fear and that's why I
Speaker 1: went came so forward with it. And I know it's
Speaker 1: not easy for everyone to do that, but I just
Speaker 1: want to really and try to encourage people out there
Speaker 1: too to be themselves, to speak out if they've got
Speaker 1: a problem, if they see in something within the work
Speaker 1: working environment or experiencing something, You've got to be outspoken
Speaker 1: about it. And there's a right way to do it.
Speaker 1: But the first day I was going to take the knee,
Speaker 1: I remember, I didn't feel like I could tell my team.
Speaker 1: I was like, because I felt that they wouldn't understand
Speaker 1: how important it is for me to do this. This day.
Speaker 1: So I remember I had my Black Lives Matter a
Speaker 1: shirt hidden and I just wore it out there and
Speaker 1: I went ahead with it, and so no one knew Wow,
Speaker 1: but everyone the sport had built had made all these
Speaker 1: T shirts like we races one slogan, and they gave
Speaker 1: these T shirts to all to everybody. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing that, That's not what this is about.
Speaker 1: And so this is what I'm doing. And this was
Speaker 1: around George Floyd, right yeah, And afterwards my team was like, well,
Speaker 1: why if you just told us, we could have prepared
Speaker 1: a better But I had this fear that they would
Speaker 1: try and stop me. Perhaps, but that was just a fear.
Speaker 1: They have been massively supported through the whole thing. In
Speaker 1: My hope was that you know, kids would be watching
Speaker 1: me like what what is that? Why is he taking me? What? What?
Speaker 1: What does that shirt mean? What is going on? Dad? Mum?
Speaker 1: And then the parents being in an open position having
Speaker 1: to explain it. Maybe. But I think what was really
Speaker 1: encouraging for me. I think when we started really getting
Speaker 1: into the whole diversity inclusion. We did the research, there
Speaker 1: was only three percent out of two thousand people in
Speaker 1: the team. There's three percent diversity. So since then we've
Speaker 1: been on this mission, the team have started new projects.
Speaker 1: We've discovered that they the sport generally highs from one
Speaker 1: group of universities which is not diverse, and if there
Speaker 1: are any young black students that go there, that twice
Speaker 1: as unlikely to be hired when they come out compared
Speaker 1: to the counterparts, and also paid less. So that I
Speaker 1: said all these things that perhaps people didn't know that
Speaker 1: commission right, Yeah, and that just was interesting to experience that.
Speaker 1: Now now I'll be working on like a diversity charter
Speaker 1: that all the teams have to be a part of,
Speaker 1: and it's not mine, it's for the sport, and it's
Speaker 1: to encourage those teams because there's still not any diversity
Speaker 1: within you know, you look at Ferrari that I don't
Speaker 1: have hardly any there's most teams don't. But when I
Speaker 1: go back to my team to the factory, normally in
Speaker 1: our marketing department wasn't very diverse initially. And I walked
Speaker 1: in after the pandemic and I started seeing such a
Speaker 1: more diverse group of people. I was really quite emotional
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh my god, there's I'm starting
Speaker 1: to see change. But you don't see that on TV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So when I talked to the to the bosses of
Speaker 1: the sport, I'm like, hey, you know, there's all white
Speaker 1: men facing and me facing the camera at the start
Speaker 1: of the race. Where are the women? Where are the
Speaker 1: people of color? We've got to be showing. Some young
Speaker 1: kids are watching and they're like, Oh, there's a place
Speaker 1: for me there. I can be there. I can be
Speaker 1: an engineer, I can be a mechanic or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, and even for young girls, or I can
Speaker 1: be a racing driver or an engineer or strategist or
Speaker 1: whatever you know. So representations so so key to inspire
Speaker 1: in the young youth, especially in these industries that they
Speaker 1: already have less access to, right, Like, that's the point
Speaker 1: that it's not just it's not just representation because you
Speaker 1: want them to even have the opportunity. It's the fact
Speaker 1: that there's just no access point, which is what you're
Speaker 1: trying to create. I think what I find really beautiful
Speaker 1: about you doing it is you're doing it though when
Speaker 1: you're like I'm having all my emotions come up at
Speaker 1: the same time. It's trying to be a voice for
Speaker 1: other people. And when you're saying like I'm taking a
Speaker 1: knee because I know I have to make a stand externally,
Speaker 1: but internally, you're taking a knee because so much of
Speaker 1: your own stuff from years ago is coming back up.
Speaker 1: Like that must be quite hard when you're That strikes
Speaker 1: me as something that's really inspiring about what you did
Speaker 1: is that you were going through your own healing at
Speaker 1: the same time it's trying to do healing for the world.
Speaker 1: There is so much healing to do, right, and I
Speaker 1: was completely oblivious that that I needed healing. I needed
Speaker 1: to really peel back some of those layers. I think
Speaker 1: for people that turn into tune into race and you
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier on but when you we arrive, everything is
Speaker 1: set up. There is work that we're doing in the background.
Speaker 1: Naturally people don't see. They just see a show, but
Speaker 1: there is an unbelievable amount of work that goes on
Speaker 1: in the background. When I talk to people that talk
Speaker 1: about how much weight you lose, and but they're like, yo,
Speaker 1: you just sit in the car and you drive. There's
Speaker 1: this huge psychological and emotional roller coaster that you're going
Speaker 1: through that it will be really hard for people to comprehend.
Speaker 1: And you would mention about all these other athletes, you
Speaker 1: see their faces in other sports you can't see because
Speaker 1: we've got helmet on. But you go through this roller
Speaker 1: coaster ride in the race, and then you get out
Speaker 1: and the cameras right in your face. You're not prepared
Speaker 1: for that. Your emotions are shot, particularly if you failed
Speaker 1: or feel like you failed, and you don't always answer
Speaker 1: the right way. If you wear your heart and your sleeve,
Speaker 1: people don't necessarily like that necessary always people take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. So then you build up all these protection mechanism,
Speaker 1: mechanisms that's not necessarily you and at the core, but
Speaker 1: what'll be the safest thing for you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I read something the other day about
Speaker 1: it's like three steps of you. And there's one the
Speaker 1: one of which you present who you present. There's you
Speaker 1: and your who you are to you and your family
Speaker 1: and friends. And then there's one the part of you,
Speaker 1: the real you that no one ever gets to see.
Speaker 1: And I think just today in today's world, it's so
Speaker 1: vicious on social media. It's the media can be you know,
Speaker 1: can really tear you apart, and you build up, you know,
Speaker 1: like you make a mistake in something you say in
Speaker 1: the media, and your ridicule fear, you never do it again.
Speaker 1: So you build up and you got more and more
Speaker 1: on your shell, and you become harder for people to
Speaker 1: really relate to. I think for me, what I've realized
Speaker 1: in his last few years is really pilling back those
Speaker 1: layers and you know, letting people know that I grew
Speaker 1: up in the council state. I you know, I've lived
Speaker 1: on the sofa with my my parents. We've had those struggles.
Speaker 1: There's successful people out there, you see, they too have
Speaker 1: had those things where we need to show that young
Speaker 1: kids who are going through that same thing that, oh
Speaker 1: I if he can get there or they can get there,
Speaker 1: then it must be possible for me to h And
Speaker 1: like being showing your vulnerability, that's something that I really
Speaker 1: struggled to to do for a long time, and like
Speaker 1: today that's something I think. I'm a lot more open
Speaker 1: than I've ever ever been. I'm not living in fear
Speaker 1: every day, and that's like the most that's the most
Speaker 1: impowered thing I think for me personally, I'm living a
Speaker 1: much happier life because I'm I'm a lot more open.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's libery, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's libering when you
Speaker 1: finally feel like you're not trapped or you're hiding held
Speaker 1: or yeah, or hiding yeah or hiding. My favorite quotes
Speaker 1: is from my Angelo when she said we are all
Speaker 1: powerful beyond measure, and that really hit home also for
Speaker 1: me that that's my favorite quote because and I have
Speaker 1: a tattooed because really we are so we do limit ourselves.
Speaker 1: We get in our own way right along with the
Speaker 1: other things that get in our way, But a lot
Speaker 1: of our fear stops us from driving forwards, from progressing.
Speaker 1: And that's why I do the craziest things. I jump
Speaker 1: out planes. Yeah, you've done what eight jumps? Yeah? Like
Speaker 1: I just just I love challenging myself and doing things
Speaker 1: even though there's maybe fear there. But overcoming that fear
Speaker 1: is like it's the best feeling when you overcome it
Speaker 1: and you realize that she was all a bunch of
Speaker 1: nonsense in your head. I want to encourage So all
Speaker 1: all of my friends, I'm like, he just go and
Speaker 1: do this today they're like, are you crazy? My dad
Speaker 1: don't mean I think as a kid, my dad was
Speaker 1: like is he really my son? Because I wouldn't do
Speaker 1: any of these things. And even still today, I still
Speaker 1: find that he's actually done skydiving movie my dad. He
Speaker 1: said he would never do it, but he did it. So,
Speaker 1: but driving two hundred miles per hour, it is probably
Speaker 1: one of the scariest things that you do all the time.
Speaker 1: Like that's well for you anymore, no things. I never
Speaker 1: had that fear as a kid, and I was just
Speaker 1: never you know, I think if you go on a
Speaker 1: ski slope and you see these kids coming fight, kids
Speaker 1: are generally fearless, right, Yeah, But I think as you
Speaker 1: go get older, yes, you start, you hurt yourself a
Speaker 1: little bit, you start protecting yourself more and more. But
Speaker 1: I just don't have that. I think I feel like
Speaker 1: that was something that just wasn't necessarily put in me.
Speaker 1: I'm terrified as spiders, Yeah, that's the only thing. But
Speaker 1: when I'm doing two hundred miles an hour, that's actually
Speaker 1: when I'm most at peace. I would say, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like I'm like flowing. It's like my that's my element,
Speaker 1: and that's like I love doing what I do. It's
Speaker 1: could be really really hard when I stop racing. I've
Speaker 1: been doing for thirty years. I'm thirty seven. They've been
Speaker 1: racing thirty years. And when you stop, Like, what's going
Speaker 1: to match that. Nothing's going to ever probably a match,
Speaker 1: being in the stadium or being at the race and
Speaker 1: being at the pinnacle of the sport, being at the
Speaker 1: front of the grid, or or coming through the grid
Speaker 1: that motion that I get there. When I do stop,
Speaker 1: that will be there will be a big hole. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to generally focus on things, find things
Speaker 1: that are going to replace that that are also could
Speaker 1: be just as rewarding. And that's like mission forty four
Speaker 1: for me, meeting kids at schools, having these conversations with
Speaker 1: families and parents who clearly are going through difficult times
Speaker 1: and want to create the best opportunity for their kids,
Speaker 1: encouraging them and there like, Okay, I've been there too,
Speaker 1: look where I got, so you can get there. It's
Speaker 1: just going to work through it. That's for me, that's
Speaker 1: way more rewarding then winning the race, so much more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I'm so grateful and I'm so happy that everyone's
Speaker 1: going to get getting to hear this. I felt you're
Speaker 1: the only and I know you know you're talking about
Speaker 1: when that happens, But it's brilliant that you're planning already
Speaker 1: because you can see how so many athletes mentally when
Speaker 1: they know their career has somewhat of a shelf life
Speaker 1: or a somewhat of a time span, like it's so hard,
Speaker 1: it's it's just completely But I remember, you're reminding me
Speaker 1: of when I had the fortune of sitting down with
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, And I said, sat down with him when
Speaker 1: he'd already retired, and I interviewed him so great, so jealous.
Speaker 1: He was one of those people that was not upset
Speaker 1: being retired. He loved it because he knew that his
Speaker 1: mission for him was to make these short movies and
Speaker 1: make all these sports based content to inspire kids to
Speaker 1: tell their stories and to help them find better stories.
Speaker 1: And so it's exactly what you're saying where he wasn't
Speaker 1: He's one of those people that I've met. He was
Speaker 1: not sad about He was so happy. He was so pumped.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm working to us. Yeah, because he knew
Speaker 1: that he had a mission and he had a ups
Speaker 1: and he'd gone and won an Oscar for a short
Speaker 1: movie that he'd made, and you know, he was creating
Speaker 1: content to inspire kids and that's where his heart was.
Speaker 1: And of course watching his daughters play, and so I'm
Speaker 1: super inspired by him. Yeah, but yeah, like when you
Speaker 1: said that, that's what I remembered. And he was in
Speaker 1: the same boat. He was like, I always wanted to
Speaker 1: script write and never had time to script, right, he said,
Speaker 1: I was always playing basketball, and he goes, but then
Speaker 1: I started scriptwriting and I got a coach, and then
Speaker 1: I was writing and getting better as a writer. And
Speaker 1: because well, I think when I've spoken to other athletes,
Speaker 1: that we focused so much on that being the best
Speaker 1: you can be and that one thing that the other
Speaker 1: things that you also love, like if it's playing an
Speaker 1: instrument or if it's writing scripts, like they all falls
Speaker 1: everything falls away, And yeah, how can you can't compartmentalize
Speaker 1: staying in the in the zone and the focus lane,
Speaker 1: but also building up some of those other skills and
Speaker 1: discovering other passions. You know, people's You've heard people tell
Speaker 1: Labron shut up and dribble, like, yeah, that's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people put you in the box and say this,
Speaker 1: you can only do one thing. But as I've seen,
Speaker 1: I'm spoken to some people that are active and retired,
Speaker 1: a lot of them say, when particularly when they retired,
Speaker 1: that they everything kind of fell apart, like everything fell
Speaker 1: to the ground. They had nothing to back it up with,
Speaker 1: and they hadn't discovered what they're doing next. So then
Speaker 1: they go through this emotional journey of discovery. But it
Speaker 1: takes time. So I'm like trying to learn from those
Speaker 1: things and applying them and find the other things that
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about. So I generally feel today that I
Speaker 1: have lots of things in the pipeline that when I
Speaker 1: do stop, it's going to be like so grateful, but
Speaker 1: I have something better that I'm moving on to. But
Speaker 1: I have no doubts that I, oh, me and my
Speaker 1: dad will always have to go to the go cart
Speaker 1: track or something. You know, I'm always going to be competitive.
Speaker 1: I can't. That's literally a strain in my DNA that's
Speaker 1: just never gonna gonna shift. We're competitive at everything. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to hear that. It's it's it's I'm sure that's refreshing.
Speaker 1: It's great for people to also he that, even to
Speaker 1: inspire young people or inspire anyone who's gotten to a
Speaker 1: place in their career where they know that there's a
Speaker 1: certain moment where things are going to wind down, but
Speaker 1: then they're going to transition. I think I don't think
Speaker 1: we celebrate the transitions enough in life, and life is
Speaker 1: made up of transition, absolutely, and people think that it's
Speaker 1: maybe less or something, but it's yeah, it's not about that, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's fascinating you found that. What are some of
Speaker 1: these like you said, like, I'm you know, I've been
Speaker 1: doing jumps to be doing this with my friends, What
Speaker 1: are some of the routines that you've put into place
Speaker 1: to help you manage your mindset? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: you're You said that being at two hundred miles per
Speaker 1: hour for the duration of a race is like being
Speaker 1: in flow. For you, that means you're extremely comfortable with
Speaker 1: your own thoughts, extremely comfortable with being in a high stress,
Speaker 1: high pressure environment, but being just with your own self.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about how you I mean, it sounds
Speaker 1: like that's always been the case. But what have you
Speaker 1: done to become more and more comfortable with that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think naturally there's a natural ability, right, But like
Speaker 1: being out to focus for an hour and forty five
Speaker 1: minutes without making mistakes, and that's that's literally insane. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Dealing with the pressures A friend actually asked me last
Speaker 1: night because I talk about we lose a lot of race,
Speaker 1: a lot of weight in the race, yes, like sometimes
Speaker 1: you can lose up to ten pounds like four key lows,
Speaker 1: and people like, whoa, I need to be a race
Speaker 1: particularly in America, They're like, oh, I need to be
Speaker 1: a racing driver for the weight loss. But with this questions,
Speaker 1: there's my friend asked me on the day, there's like
Speaker 1: where does the where does the weight go? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because my suit doesn't because afterwards I weighed less. But
Speaker 1: the I'm like, so it must evaporated somewhere. I've got
Speaker 1: to figure out where all that weight actually truly goes
Speaker 1: because it obviously is in sweat. But that's like messed
Speaker 1: my mind up now. Um, but the suit definitely is
Speaker 1: obviously a little bit heavier. But um, it's about gaining tools.
Speaker 1: And I think as when I was younger, I didn't
Speaker 1: have I knew how to arrive at the race. I
Speaker 1: channeled the so this emotion that I had through whatever
Speaker 1: those difficulties were into my driving. So it's laser focus.
Speaker 1: Like if you watch a video for me when I
Speaker 1: was five years old and blue pizza that you see,
Speaker 1: I'm just laser focused, but being able to control emotions,
Speaker 1: being now to be calm and present, staying centered. There
Speaker 1: are loads of obviously different methods that people can use.
Speaker 1: The things that I try to that I've started to
Speaker 1: incorporate over the years more in my life. It's things
Speaker 1: like stretching, things like yoga and meditation has been a
Speaker 1: real that for me was something that I never thought
Speaker 1: that that I kind of turned a blind eye to
Speaker 1: it when I was younger. I thought that's not gonna
Speaker 1: be helpful. But being able to sit still for a
Speaker 1: second and listen to the noises around you and understand
Speaker 1: you want to tap into that kind of in a
Speaker 1: child or whatever it may be. That's for me being
Speaker 1: taking that moment for yourself each day, treating yourself with
Speaker 1: love and being kind to yourself, you know, because I
Speaker 1: think for a long time I wasn't kind to myself.
Speaker 1: And that's been a process doing things that being purposeful
Speaker 1: and having real setting intentions each day, no matter how
Speaker 1: big or small. And you know, I wake up and
Speaker 1: looking in the mirror brushing your teeth, then stop for
Speaker 1: a second's sake, this today is going to be the day.
Speaker 1: Today's going to be great. And no matter what you're
Speaker 1: faced with, you know, just wherever you come out with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talking to yourself. Also speaking to people, I think is
Speaker 1: very important. I think as a kid, as I said,
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like it could speak to people. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I could tell my mom about these experiences.
Speaker 1: I felt embarrassed. I can't tell my dad, so I
Speaker 1: thought he would think less of me. I couldn't talk
Speaker 1: to any of the teachers, can tell my most of
Speaker 1: my friends, most of them weren't particularly of color. So
Speaker 1: but finding learning to be open and speak to people,
Speaker 1: find someone to speak to, whether it's a therapist or whatever,
Speaker 1: that's that's been a huge help. I don't not necessarily
Speaker 1: have a therapist as such, for someone that I'm able
Speaker 1: to then just have shootership with basically, yeah, and confide
Speaker 1: in and trust Like trust has been something that I've
Speaker 1: never had and didn't trust anybody through those experiences I
Speaker 1: had as a kid, and it's been very very hard
Speaker 1: to build trust for people. But creating allies, finding things
Speaker 1: that are that you have in common with people like
Speaker 1: my boss, for example, him and I just breaking each
Speaker 1: other down and then just having realizing that was similar
Speaker 1: in many many ways but also very different. But that's
Speaker 1: not what should divide us. We can then be allies.
Speaker 1: And so that's why we're working being the most diverse team.
Speaker 1: We're working on pushing we have. We've studied Ignite, which
Speaker 1: is about getting you know, improving that pipeline of into
Speaker 1: motor sport for people from underserved communities, and there's so
Speaker 1: much work to do. You're doing it though, Man, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to. I'm trying to, you know, to the point
Speaker 1: you were asking earlier, has enough been done? Absolutely not
Speaker 1: in the industry. Yeah, it's like you don't feel that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's not only another industry, it's everywhere. And is
Speaker 1: that your goal just just sort in the industry and
Speaker 1: then expand out or you're starting you're starting across the
Speaker 1: board anyway. Yeah. Yeah, Well, with the team where it's
Speaker 1: we started an organization which called Ignite, which we both fund,
Speaker 1: and that is focused on the sport motor sport in general.
Speaker 1: But Mission forty four is focused on a much you know,
Speaker 1: societal challenges and barriers and education and um. That's focused
Speaker 1: in the UK at the moment, but I want to
Speaker 1: bring that over to the States absolutely, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully by at least twenty twenty four. Um. Also just
Speaker 1: been to Africa and there is so much beauty there
Speaker 1: and I really really want to have an you really
Speaker 1: want to help there as well. So yeah, UM, we
Speaker 1: will continue to expand. But we're one of the one
Speaker 1: of the few black founding nonprofit organizations in the UK,
Speaker 1: and with black CEO for example, a very diverse group
Speaker 1: of people. UM, and just having a conversations with people
Speaker 1: are just what a diverse workforce means and how that
Speaker 1: band can benefit you when you have people from different
Speaker 1: backgrounds or coming up with a diverse, diverse thought and creation.
Speaker 1: It's that's how you have more success. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer when you hear it and you're
Speaker 1: just like, wow, that makes so much sense, and creativity
Speaker 1: is better and you'd be able to come up with
Speaker 1: far more innovative ideas and you've got so many more
Speaker 1: cultures now being celebrated involved, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that the world hasn't cough on
Speaker 1: with that yet, Like it's it's interesting that even despite
Speaker 1: their being progressed, there's not enough progress. But what is
Speaker 1: the block? Like, what is the stop? Is it a mindset.
Speaker 1: Is it just habits and laziness? Like what is the
Speaker 1: actual Like if you got to the core of it
Speaker 1: from everyone you've been speaking to, like, what are you?
Speaker 1: What is the issue? Is the issue that? Yeah? Is
Speaker 1: the issue just laziness and just this is the way
Speaker 1: things have always been? Or is it? Or is there
Speaker 1: actually like a set up? I don't have the answers
Speaker 1: to it. I ask that question all the time, and
Speaker 1: I come up lots of different theories in my mind.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, maybe people don't just don't care. Maybe
Speaker 1: people's problems are so big that they don't have time
Speaker 1: to focus on other things. And it's hard enough just
Speaker 1: to do the thing that you're focused on, or just
Speaker 1: overcoming the issue that you're overcoming. So how am I
Speaker 1: going to have more time to to speak about these things?
Speaker 1: Why should I take the risk and risk my next step?
Speaker 1: And so I feel like it's about learning to be selfless, right,
Speaker 1: and which is difficult to do if you're not being
Speaker 1: loving yourself and not in a good place. So I
Speaker 1: think it all comes to us at hopefully at time,
Speaker 1: at a certain point in our lives. But also, you know,
Speaker 1: we live in a time where like social media is
Speaker 1: so it's such a dangerous. It's such a powerful tool,
Speaker 1: but it's also can be so dangerous and so dividing.
Speaker 1: And I see people out there today, and there's people
Speaker 1: that I admire that I'm that I would follow, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, how are they projecting something that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily helpfully for you? For people out there? How are
Speaker 1: they projecting they're not using this platform to be more
Speaker 1: inspirational or be more positive, And there's loads of that
Speaker 1: are But then I don't. You can't judge you. So
Speaker 1: that's their journey. All you can continue to do is
Speaker 1: try to you know, with that Mariangela quote is about
Speaker 1: being shining in your light as bright as you can
Speaker 1: possibly get it, and hope that by doing it you
Speaker 1: I think you automatically encourage the people around you to
Speaker 1: want to do the same. And I never truly understood
Speaker 1: that till I see the team that I work with,
Speaker 1: how we all inspire each other. How with this year,
Speaker 1: for example, we've had the twenty twenty two has been
Speaker 1: one of the hardest years for us as a team,
Speaker 1: as we didn't build a great car and we've had
Speaker 1: our struggles as many people do, and how we've had
Speaker 1: to all come closer and the relationship I've had with
Speaker 1: people that I've worked with this team for ten years,
Speaker 1: and there's conversations we've had this year. People have opened
Speaker 1: up like they've never opened up before. People have cried
Speaker 1: like it's been It's been beautiful to see and I
Speaker 1: feel like it's some a far better team than we've
Speaker 1: ever been before because we're living with intention, we're actually
Speaker 1: talking about impact. That everyone in the team's going to
Speaker 1: had diversity inclusion training. No one's been kind of like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not going through that class. Why do
Speaker 1: I have to go and learn diversity and inclusions about
Speaker 1: it and why it doesn't impact me? Now people like
Speaker 1: I understand it doesn't I wouldn't necessarily notice it, but
Speaker 1: I want to understand it more so I can be
Speaker 1: better in my working environment. It's been unbelievable. That's amazing. Also,
Speaker 1: leaders within our sport are now where we are on
Speaker 1: the road to being a more diverse and more inclusive sport.
Speaker 1: But I think my job is to continuously make sure
Speaker 1: that that that same the effort that we're putting in
Speaker 1: now doesn't kind of fall away and become kind of
Speaker 1: you know, just because it was trending. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: is actually something that's on the top of the list.
Speaker 1: Sustainability is on the top of our list. And like
Speaker 1: real true core values, we don't go out of our way. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of people are. It's very
Speaker 1: easy to kind of be led by the money or success.
Speaker 1: But making sure you stick to your core values is
Speaker 1: so true. So it goes back to what you said though,
Speaker 1: that that's what real leaders do. Like leaders don't follow
Speaker 1: what's trending. Leaders have focused on transformation and then they're
Speaker 1: dedicated to transformation and they're going to keep doing it
Speaker 1: until they see a change, whereas followers follow trends and
Speaker 1: oh it's not trending now, it doesn't matter, we'll focus
Speaker 1: on something else. But you know, obviously it's so clearly
Speaker 1: just listening to you today, and it's amazing because and
Speaker 1: that's why I'm so glad I've had this opportunity to
Speaker 1: talk to you, because I can hear just how deeply
Speaker 1: dedicated you are to this and how it's at your core.
Speaker 1: It's like it's everything that comes out of your pause
Speaker 1: today is just you know, which is which is really
Speaker 1: special to see a value being embodied. Like to empower
Speaker 1: other people, you have to embody the value first. It
Speaker 1: doesn't just you don't just go around empowering people. And
Speaker 1: so to hear how your soul and heart is like
Speaker 1: completely a sponge for this stuff and then to wanting
Speaker 1: to go and share it with the world, it's really
Speaker 1: remarkable man. Thank you. Yeah. Well, I mean I'm by
Speaker 1: far perfect, No, yeah, I know, And I think that's like,
Speaker 1: it's not about being perfect. It's about just every day,
Speaker 1: one step at the time, trying to be better, trying
Speaker 1: to do more, and learning a lot about myself. I've
Speaker 1: had to break myself down in order to be able
Speaker 1: to be better. And what do you mean by breaking
Speaker 1: yourself down? Well, just when you when I told you
Speaker 1: about like all those barriers you put up over time
Speaker 1: to protect yourself and then kind of like knocking those
Speaker 1: barriers down. And it's enabled me to connect with more people.
Speaker 1: It's enabled me to realize my place in the world.
Speaker 1: And I don't feel like I don't belong anymore. I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I've got a place and I've
Speaker 1: got a purpose. And that's I think a lot people
Speaker 1: are struggling to find that purpose. But it's okay, you
Speaker 1: will find it. Do not give up, keep getting up,
Speaker 1: you know, like just keep saying those things to yourself,
Speaker 1: and you will eventually find it. And you know, you're
Speaker 1: already living in your purpose and having such a huge
Speaker 1: impact on so many people, you know, telling stories, which
Speaker 1: is it's amazing to see. I started this production company
Speaker 1: inspired by like Kobe and somebody out there, but stories
Speaker 1: for me, storytelling. I watched a lot of movies. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but yeah, I love movies, especially
Speaker 1: sports movies. Yeah. Like when I go home, I'll like,
Speaker 1: you know, order to take away or make myself and
Speaker 1: past or something like that, and then I put the
Speaker 1: plate in front of me and I can't eat till
Speaker 1: I found something to watch, Like my escape is watching
Speaker 1: the movie. And I always like to find something hopefully inspiring. Ye.
Speaker 1: But the reason I created this production company because you know,
Speaker 1: until recently, we didn't have any people of color of superheroes.
Speaker 1: We I think these Sori's storytelling is so so important
Speaker 1: for people out there, for inspiring people, and and I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that in and everything that I do,
Speaker 1: every project that I work on, is with a diverse workforce,
Speaker 1: like I'm doing this for one movie with Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: and Joe Kazinski and um, but my job is to
Speaker 1: make sure that that is diverse behind the camera as
Speaker 1: it is on screen. The story is empowering and uplifting. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not. There's no bs in terms of the racing,
Speaker 1: and hopefully one kid will watch it and more and
Speaker 1: feel empowered to go and do something great. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: love that, man. I'm so glad you're doing that, because
Speaker 1: when you said do I like movies, the movie that
Speaker 1: came to my mind was Race? Have you seen Race?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, so like that. The story is unbelievable. But
Speaker 1: when you watch the movie as well, it's unbelievable to
Speaker 1: see what Jesse Owens did, like to think that he
Speaker 1: had to go. I can't even imagine. I can't, you know,
Speaker 1: you just can't imagine. If everyone's not saying the movie
Speaker 1: you have to go. It's just one of those movies
Speaker 1: that's like, how do you do that? Like how do
Speaker 1: you go and race in Nazi German? Like I haven't.
Speaker 1: It must have been terrifying, terrifying, And you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's so many great stories like that that are out
Speaker 1: there that need telling. Um, continuously telling yeah, yeah, forty
Speaker 1: two is also um. But yeah, there are therese these
Speaker 1: really unique people out there. I think for me being
Speaker 1: in this sport, being the only one and being the first,
Speaker 1: is that is that has been lonely, and that has
Speaker 1: been really really a difficult thing to kind of understand
Speaker 1: and through my life. And there are many many people
Speaker 1: like Jesse for example, being the first and only at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, I've taken huge inspiration from him.
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela was like, oh, he's one of my biggest,
Speaker 1: biggest inspirations. Um. It was so so fortunate to get
Speaker 1: to meet him when I was I was like twenty
Speaker 1: three or something. Oh wow, what was that like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was mind blowing. I mean when you when you
Speaker 1: then I've got to fone one and you have this
Speaker 1: sess all these things come and you don't even You've
Speaker 1: dreamed of being a racing driver, but you didn't dream
Speaker 1: that all the other things, of all the other things
Speaker 1: that come along, like meeting other unbelievable people. I went
Speaker 1: to Nelson Mandela's ninetieth birthday in London and I was
Speaker 1: sat on his table in this huge room full of
Speaker 1: like Bill Clinton was there, like Denzel Washington was there
Speaker 1: open wind fruits, sat right next to me, Like all
Speaker 1: these people that you would never ever in a million
Speaker 1: years dream of think you would ever get to meet,
Speaker 1: and then you discover they're also just human beings with
Speaker 1: feelings and with emotions and with their own challenges. But
Speaker 1: I was so young at the time. It was I
Speaker 1: don't even recognize myself. When I look back at me
Speaker 1: seven years ago, I see a shell of me. And
Speaker 1: I think I looked today and see myself and know
Speaker 1: myself so much more. And that's again, that's an empowering
Speaker 1: experience to be in. But I walked into the room
Speaker 1: and met him, and he sat his chair and it
Speaker 1: was like walking into I was like or like a king,
Speaker 1: you know, in his silk shirt was his aura was
Speaker 1: something you could see his aura, his smile, he was beaming.
Speaker 1: That was the most probably the most impactful day for
Speaker 1: me as a as a youngster. Wow, Lewis, it's unbelievable
Speaker 1: talking to you. I mean, what you've achieved on the
Speaker 1: track after track, and now I'm even more excited to
Speaker 1: see you continue to achieve as your journey continues. Because
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this and I don't say this often,
Speaker 1: and I genuinely my team can vouch for and everyone
Speaker 1: else can listen back to any episode. I think you're
Speaker 1: one of the most on purpose people I've ever interviewed.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I genuinely like it. Just there's
Speaker 1: nothing else that comes from your being apart from what
Speaker 1: your purpose currently is with Mission forty four, and it's
Speaker 1: it's really remarkable to meet someone who's so on purpose.
Speaker 1: I don't I genuinely don't have that experience. And the
Speaker 1: only person you reminded me of was Kobe. He had
Speaker 1: it too. When was around him, there was no there
Speaker 1: was nothing else. It wasn't like he missed anything. He
Speaker 1: was at peace. It was it was peace with purpose,
Speaker 1: you know. And you have that same aura in spirit
Speaker 1: from from at least my experience. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: so kind of you. Yeah, and I really mean that.
Speaker 1: I really mean that. It's incredible. So we end every
Speaker 1: episode with a fast five, which means every question has
Speaker 1: to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum okay,
Speaker 1: And we asked these same questions to every guest that's
Speaker 1: ever been on the show. I should be prepared for
Speaker 1: that because I've seen you well, the first question is
Speaker 1: what's the best advice you've ever heard or received. I
Speaker 1: think it was literiely my dad, never give up. That's
Speaker 1: been like the slogan in the back of my mind
Speaker 1: every single day. The other one would be just that
Speaker 1: you will always be learning, and that's what I learned
Speaker 1: from Nelsmandella. He was like, I'm nineteen, I'm still learning today,
Speaker 1: and like, I was like, what can you tell me?
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm still learning today, and it's okay to
Speaker 1: be learning. You're always going to be learning something new
Speaker 1: and growing. So wow, that's beautiful, very like wow, but
Speaker 1: like that was pretty basic. But it's not. It's it's
Speaker 1: powerful knowing he said that. Yeah, as in the fact
Speaker 1: that he said that on his ninety Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: people feel by nineties, especially him. He has so much
Speaker 1: wisdom to share. Yeah, but the fact that his wisdom
Speaker 1: was I'm just learning that, yeah, I'm still learning. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. All right. Second question, now, what's the worst
Speaker 1: advice you ever heard or received? Give up? The opposite? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: literally the worst bit of advice and it wasn't I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessary advice. But when I was younger, there
Speaker 1: was other parents of other racing drivers I was racing against.
Speaker 1: I remember this one guy and he's like, she just
Speaker 1: you just don't have it. You should just give up.
Speaker 1: Their parents say, their parents A grown man in these
Speaker 1: forties or fifties told me that, And I was eight,
Speaker 1: told you told me to my face. And I remember
Speaker 1: just being so like, what am I supposed to do that?
Speaker 1: What do you mean give up? What was the reason?
Speaker 1: I would imagine because I was beating his kid. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't. I never really thought of what the reason
Speaker 1: would be. And the same with teachers. You know, what
Speaker 1: is this crap? You know you're you're terrible at this,
Speaker 1: You're never gonna go to the next set, You're never
Speaker 1: gonna amount to anything, and why are you even here?
Speaker 1: How a teacher tell me that? And Wow, it broke
Speaker 1: me down so much. Question number three, how do you
Speaker 1: deal with loss? And how do you deal with a win?
Speaker 1: I think success is, as I mentioned your earlier short
Speaker 1: lived success is there's a lot less leaned in success.
Speaker 1: It's like the tip of the iceberg. It's the losses
Speaker 1: and it's the failures. And this is the continuoucy, just
Speaker 1: the perseverance that you're needed, that you need to do.
Speaker 1: Like I love that image of the iceberg where you
Speaker 1: see the sea level in the iceberg on the top
Speaker 1: that everyone sees, but below is what people don't get
Speaker 1: to see it, and it's it's relevant for every single
Speaker 1: person out there. It's fine in your core. It's letting
Speaker 1: yourself know, it's okay to feel the pain, it's okay
Speaker 1: to accept that your failures and you know, put it
Speaker 1: on you. It's like it's just another another notch on
Speaker 1: your belt that is going to make you stronger. And
Speaker 1: just known that that is the case. I've failed so
Speaker 1: many more times than I've succeeded so many more and
Speaker 1: that people don't even know maybe necessarily about or see.
Speaker 1: And still today I'm making those failure those mistakes and
Speaker 1: or making mistakes, but I know that that's that's a
Speaker 1: part of the journey. That's that's what I'm then harnessing
Speaker 1: and that's what's making me stronger. All right, Question number
Speaker 1: four out of five. What's something that you thought you
Speaker 1: valued but you don't value anymore? Im material stuff at
Speaker 1: some stage and you actually realize they're not important and
Speaker 1: we live in such a materialistic world, so learning to
Speaker 1: detach yourself from that and know that it's moments with
Speaker 1: special people, it's moments with your family, with your loved ones,
Speaker 1: with your friends, that are what you get to take
Speaker 1: with you when you stop, you know, when life comes
Speaker 1: to an end, right. I truly believe that it's those
Speaker 1: memories that are what yeah, memories of you also which lingers,
Speaker 1: not what you have or you were able to attain.
Speaker 1: So I think that was something that took me a
Speaker 1: long time to learn. And whilst I still have things
Speaker 1: I don't have, I've actually tried to unclutter my life
Speaker 1: because I remember my dad used to call me into
Speaker 1: the garage and used to go through all the crap
Speaker 1: that he would keep. I don't know if you're that
Speaker 1: your parents do the same thing, jeez. I remember used
Speaker 1: to call me and it was the worst day every
Speaker 1: when I to help him clean out the garage. But
Speaker 1: we hold on to so many things, right, So just
Speaker 1: decluttering your life making it more simple. That's why I
Speaker 1: love to go and surfing. That's like the most tranquil
Speaker 1: kind of thing that I get to do, sit in
Speaker 1: the ocean and sometimes just sit and ponder about life,
Speaker 1: what I'm going to do next, And that's my getaway.
Speaker 1: I think people have to find that balance of work
Speaker 1: because if you just work, work, work, work, and you
Speaker 1: don't replenish your energy with positive things, then you will
Speaker 1: just continue to be breaking yourself down. So try and
Speaker 1: find that balance. I think everyone needs to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful, surfing, skydiving. There's yours fifth and final question.
Speaker 1: If you could create one law that everyone in the
Speaker 1: world had to follow, what would it be? Holy crap? Uh.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm like, I struggle with
Speaker 1: every day is and it's just how life isn't It's
Speaker 1: been the way for thousands of years that there is
Speaker 1: such a disparity between wealthy and the poor. And you know,
Speaker 1: you still when you drive around La there's still so
Speaker 1: many people living on the streets. There should you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to have billions, right, I think there should
Speaker 1: there should be a limit to how much you can
Speaker 1: have because there's enough to go around to everyone. So
Speaker 1: somehow create a law that creates more equality. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: equal access to every for everyone. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how that you would implement that law. That's all good,
Speaker 1: but like, jeez, man, I've met kids that are starving. Yeah, same,
Speaker 1: and you think, oh, God, like how we are so
Speaker 1: so lucky, so many of us. Knowing that and not
Speaker 1: taking advantage of your every day is so so important.
Speaker 1: It does? What law? Would you change? It does? No?
Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful. That's what I mean. We've yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean now now you've feel that's where you did that.
Speaker 1: If I had to create a law in the world
Speaker 1: that everyone had to follow, this is at least my
Speaker 1: today onser, and maybe it would change as well, is
Speaker 1: it kind of? And it's inspired by what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think I wish at school the law was that
Speaker 1: every child had to learn about emotional mastery to understand
Speaker 1: how to understand other people's emotions and understand their emotions
Speaker 1: and take that into consideration when making decisions. And if
Speaker 1: every child was given that exposure to emotional mastery, then
Speaker 1: people would just have tools of how to deal with
Speaker 1: their own pain and someone else's pain, and how to
Speaker 1: deal with when your parents are going through pain, because
Speaker 1: I feel like pain is the issue we have any
Speaker 1: pain today by you. You're so right, it's inspired by you.
Speaker 1: It's going back to education. That's just why, like when
Speaker 1: you go to school, you don't learn all. They don't
Speaker 1: prepare you enough for what's to come, not at all.
Speaker 1: And and and that stapping into mental health as you
Speaker 1: mentioned exactly, that's exactly yeah, And that's kind of where
Speaker 1: my purpose is, right, Like, my purpose is that feeling
Speaker 1: of you know, when I went on lived as a monk,
Speaker 1: that's where I got exposed to emotional mastery, Like that
Speaker 1: was the goal of what monk training was about. And
Speaker 1: I was twenty one twenty two when I did that. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's still young. There's a lot about that shows a
Speaker 1: lot about you. Yeah, yeah, but it was it was
Speaker 1: kind of like a fascination that I had. I was
Speaker 1: just like, well, if I can't understand my mind, then
Speaker 1: how can you live life like that? That? So, so
Speaker 1: anyway it comes from but it comes from what you're
Speaker 1: saying that the education that needs to happen at a
Speaker 1: younger level. So Lewis has been such an honor and
Speaker 1: a pleasure talking today. Man, it's a huge responsibility that
Speaker 1: you've taken on for yourself for the world, and I
Speaker 1: don't think there could be anyone better doing it. And
Speaker 1: I really really hope that any help that I can offer,
Speaker 1: any help that my communic and offer, please know that
Speaker 1: we're right here with you, thank you, right behind you.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Our on purpose community I
Speaker 1: know would love to get behind anything that we can. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm still so grateful for the time you're
Speaker 1: give me today. Yeah, and again for like what you
Speaker 1: all you do, because you're having such a positive impact
Speaker 1: on so many people, including me, you know, so when
Speaker 1: you perhaps don't realize it, you're you know, you're having
Speaker 1: such a big impact. And I'm so grateful to you
Speaker 1: for that, mate. Thank you an it means the world
Speaker 1: coming from you, honestly, thank you. Everyone who's been listening
Speaker 1: and watching today, make sure you go get educated about
Speaker 1: Mission forty four, about the Hamilton Commission. Really incredible initiatives
Speaker 1: that Lewis started that are leading the way to make
Speaker 1: sure that diversity and inclusion and are taken more seriously
Speaker 1: across all industries, which I think we would all agree with.
Speaker 1: And to anyone else who's watching or listening, make sure
Speaker 1: you tag Louis and I on social media with your
Speaker 1: biggest insights. There were so many words of wisdom that
Speaker 1: Lewis shared. I want to know which things stuck out
Speaker 1: to you, which things made a difference in your mind.
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing is I want you to pass
Speaker 1: this on to someone. Right there's someone who needs to
Speaker 1: hear Lewis's story that's going to transform their life, and
Speaker 1: I want you to pass it on. He shared so
Speaker 1: many people that inspired him. We know he's a huge
Speaker 1: inspiration to so many. Makes you shared this with someone
Speaker 1: because you have no idea whose life you might change.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.