1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: What is Up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: of the Mets Uff Podcast, A little Trade Deadline edition, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: a little Washington National Series to talk about. Definitely a 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: lot going on in the baseball world, especially in the 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Mets world, so we're gonna cover everything here. We're gonna 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: talk about the Max Scherzer trade, the David Robertson trade, 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: and then we'll end with the Washington National Series, which 8 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: went really well three out of four. I mean, that's 9 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: kind of like the secret headline of this entire episode 10 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: is that the Mets played really good baseball this weekend. 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: So we'll talk about everything with you, guys. Make sure 12 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: you're following us on all our social media at Mets 13 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Up on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. Make sure you're also 14 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: subscribe to the New York Mets YouTube channel so you 15 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: can see the video version of this if you're listening 16 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: to us, and if you are listening Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 17 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: Google podcast Odyssey, drop us a rating, drop us a review, 18 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: download and subscribe. James back at the ballpark on what 19 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: might have been the nicest day of the entire year. 20 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: How are we feeling? 21 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: It was kind of funny that all this crazy stuff 22 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: has happened this weekend, like as this awful heat and 23 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: humanity lifted out of New York City and now it 24 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: was beautiful and it was a wonderful day just sitting 25 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: the sun at the ballpark and enjoy a nice, easy 26 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: Mets victory. 27 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: But with that weird little sense in. 28 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: The back of here, like what had transpired in the 29 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: last like twenty four hours even seventy two hours, going 30 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: back to both trades of Max Scherzer and David Robertson. 31 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about it. 32 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: The Mets have made a couple moves, like you just said, 33 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Scherz are and Robertson on the move. Sures are going 34 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: to the Texas Rangers. David Robertson's staying in the vision 35 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: going to the Miami Marlins. Let's go ahead and started 36 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: off with the Max Schurzer trade, because I think there's 37 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: a lot of conversation here, a lot of. 38 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: Talk about what's going on. What did the Mets get? 39 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: A lot of questions. I'm sure you guys have you 40 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: want to know more about these prospects, because let's be honest, 41 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: some of the people that do a lot of the 42 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: reporting don't know that much about the prospects, So tell 43 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: you all about it, Max Scherzer. And was it thirty 44 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: six million dollars going to the Texas Rangers. Yes, in 45 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: exchange for Luis on Hell Acunya. A bit of an 46 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: a mouthful with the name Luis on Hell, though that's 47 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: how we're gonna know him as for the rest of 48 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: the time. 49 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's not Acunya, while he is Rolly CUNY's brother. 50 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: And that is the headline that most people went with 51 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: for this trade, because that's the easy reporting. That's you 52 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: could take off the top, that's the thing you could 53 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: say without doing any research, and many people did do that. 54 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: I really want to call you Mets fans to not 55 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: compare this person to his brother. 56 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: Not fair. It's not fair. Not fair. 57 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: He's a good prospect, he's a really good chance to 58 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: be a really good player. But Rolly Kunyon, you's gonna 59 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: be one of the best baseball players. And of us 60 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: see in our respective lives, might at forty and seventy 61 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: this year he's traced. He's pacing right now for one 62 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: of the greatest single seasons in baseball history, which is 63 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: weird because like after someone has had one of the 64 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: best years in baseball history. And while someone else is 65 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: probably having the best year in baseball history, but in 66 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: terms of the National League, no one's ever had twenty 67 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: homers and fifty thirty homers and fifty steals in a year. 68 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: He's gonna have that by the end of August. 69 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 70 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: No, he's been playing really special. But his brother is 71 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: also really really good. No, he's incredible. And that's the 72 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: other thing that is really important about this trade. The 73 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: Mets got what was considered by many a blue chip 74 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: prospect in exchange for Maxuers and Max Suers or all 75 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: the accolades, all the acclaim all the knowtheriety, Hall of 76 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: Fame Pitcher was at this time definitely as what thirty 77 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: nine year old thirty eight year old yep on the 78 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: downturn of his career. So netting an elite prospect back 79 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: someone who many things could be as of right now 80 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: the number one prospect in the Mets system is at 81 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: worst a huge organizational victory for the Mets. And the 82 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: big thing about Luisan Helicunya. 83 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: Is that he's just ridiculously explosive, twitchy, twitchy. 84 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: He's smaller than his brother. 85 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: He's only about five, the heights five to ten. Some 86 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: play place has changed. Because he's still also twenty one 87 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: years old. He might even have just grown a little bit. 88 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: He probably grew a little bit since they last measured 89 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: him on a lot of these websites. But he really 90 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 2: has a lot of torque. He gets around on the ball. 91 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: He plays great defense up the middle like if anything, 92 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: he has raw power and he can move. 93 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, the way, I'm gonna read the description of Baseball 94 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: America because I think they did a really good job 95 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: of describing what kind of player he is. Akunya has 96 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: successfully made the jump to double A and has improved 97 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: as a defender at shortstop. He plays shortstop, second base, 98 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: and center field, which strong up the middle, always super 99 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: interesting for me. He doesn't project to be the same 100 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: caliber player as his brother. We understand that. We basically 101 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: said that, but he has all the where he has 102 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: the all around tools to be a solid everyday player, 103 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: which is fantastic, fantastic everything you want. With the explosiveness 104 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: that he shows, it gives a real ceiling to a 105 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: guy like Luis on Helocunya. 106 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: Yes, and something interesting about the defensive linements that Mark 107 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: just mentioned. He's been playing more centerfield recently, which I 108 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: feel like was a move by the Rangers to make 109 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: him a little bit more show a little bit yeaheah, 110 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: a little more. What's what I'm looking for? Enticing attractive 111 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: in these trade andiations because they have a great team, 112 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: the Rangers. 113 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: They're especially strong up the middle. 114 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: They two years ago signed Corey Seeger and Marcus Enmian 115 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: for combined like what almost five hundred million dollars to 116 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: be up the middle for them for the next almost decades, 117 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: So it was gonna be difficult for them to find 118 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: a place for Acunya. Maybe they were really that commed 119 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: him to the centerfielder. Maybe that's where he winds up. 120 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: Don't know who's gonna wind up with the Mets yet, 121 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: but him playing those games the centerfield recently make me think, 122 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: especially where the Mets are up the medal as well, 123 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: think that that's possibly an outcome we have here. 124 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: And if you look at a lot of the top organizations, 125 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: when you look at you know, their prospect pipeline that 126 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: they've got going on, usually the best prospects come from 127 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: up the middle. 128 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 3: You don't normally hear too many. 129 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: Prospect organizations going like got a ton of great first basemen, 130 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: like it's usually like we got a lot of great shortstops, 131 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: center fielders, catchers, And if you look at the Mets 132 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: minor league system right now, they're super strong up. 133 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: The middle, especially the way they've been drafting the last 134 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: few years. 135 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: I think about two of the last three first round 136 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: picks between Colin Hawk, Jet Williams and Kevin Prop all 137 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: guys who play at the metal. You look at the 138 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: Mets roster right now, you look at Francisco Alvarez, Francisco 139 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: Lindor and brand Nemo we were talking about because you're 140 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: trying to these trades will kind of make us all 141 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: think about next year now more than this year, and 142 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: like where the direction of the team is going. And 143 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: you look and you no matter what, what you can 144 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: say is that the Mets are very strong up the 145 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: middle with those three guys, and they're building a prospect 146 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: pool which is very strong up the middle, and then 147 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: whatever happens guys fan out. Mark Fiantez was drafted as 148 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: a short stop, yes, and now we will know his position, 149 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: but that's just how it works. Like you're a good athlete, 150 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: you play short us up when you're rung and then 151 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: you figure it out later. That's why a lot of 152 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: people we've heard online assessing over the positions of some 153 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: of these prospects the Mets have been acquired. 154 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: Couldn't matter less, It could not matter at all, completely irrelevant. 155 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: If you're good enough, you'll find a place to play 156 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: and you will be successful, and then that's how you 157 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: kind of start, you go and then what happens. But 158 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: Marco's talked about the fact that Acuna played much better 159 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: in Double A this year. Second goal around. He did 160 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: get to double A last year, and he had a 161 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: really tough GOVID. He was about thirty percent worse than 162 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: league average. He was striking out a good bit, and 163 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: he didn't really get to any power. This year, he's 164 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 2: getting to more power. He's twenty percent better than league average. 165 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: He's kind of strikeout rate by three points, and his 166 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: walk gerd's gone down a little and still there. And 167 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: he's forty two steals, yeah, already in eighty four Double 168 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: A games. Fourth most stolen bases in minor league baseball 169 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: for players twenty one years or younger. I mean, the 170 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: dude's got crazy speed. And when you have a lot 171 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: of steals like that in the minor leagues. That tells 172 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: me two things. One, it tells me just first of all, 173 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: you're very fast, yes, really fast. But two, you're kind 174 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: of very in tune with the game because a big 175 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: part of stealing is like understanding pitchers, understanding cadence on him. Yeah, 176 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: and the fact that you're stealing at will, that means 177 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: you're really in control out there. 178 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 179 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean three fifteen average, three seventy seven on base, 180 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: four fifty three, slugging eight thirty oh ps is just fantastic. 181 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: I get a market amateur. I know I left the 182 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: sound on, but I was a pro. I went right 183 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: through it. That's how you got a handle. You just 184 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: got to ignore the sound. Oh yeah, turn your sound 185 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: off too, now, I just did just in case. But yeah, 186 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: he's been matching. Like you said, double A and you 187 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: were telling me earlier, it's hard to find x I 188 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: v los a lot of the time on these minor 189 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: league guys. 190 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: It just depends on the stadiums. Ro the Rangers double 191 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: A stadium doesn't have it publicly available. But Acunya did 192 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: go to the AFL last year, one of the youngest 193 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: players there. He didn't exactly have a great go. But 194 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: he did hit a four hundred thirty foot home run 195 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: with one hundred and five mile in eRx last ye 196 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: as a five to nine twenty year old. Yeah. I mean, 197 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: if he was a draft pick ascently, he'd be a 198 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: first round pick, be a bona fide first round pick. 199 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: He probably this year's draft just because it was a 200 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: little week on shortstop. Yeah, probably been the first shortstop drafted. 201 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: I could have been up there. 202 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there was anybody else who had 203 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: his combination of raw power and defensive acumen. 204 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: No, and it's super important, like twitch. Twitch is kind 205 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: of the thing that the pod. I'm not comparing these two, 206 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: by the way, but just like to understand why we're 207 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: really focusing on explosiveness and twitch was one of the 208 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: reasons why the Padres were so interested in for Nando 209 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: Tatis junior, twitchy guy, twitchy guy. 210 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: Like seven inches talk. 211 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just saying that twitchy guy and 212 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: he because he was a prospect that nobody cared about 213 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: ye for a very long time, and then all of 214 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: a sudden figured it out. 215 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: That kind of stuff happened. 216 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: He's being compared right now to Ozzie Albys that's the 217 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: comp that he's getting, which I know I have my 218 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: takes on Ossie Albs and stuff, but like relative speaking, 219 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: if you get a Ozzie Albes type player, you'd be 220 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: very happy with that. 221 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: He always been incredibly successful major league player. Hopefully Lewis, 222 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. Kuniya had a similar engine. Yeah, better too, 223 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: maybe similar agent to him, so we can get him 224 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: for no money at all, like the Braves do with 225 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: all their prospects for some reason whatsoever. But he and 226 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: even more than Alby's, I think he is a little 227 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: bit stronger up the middle, just literally has more twitch 228 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: I was Albi's didn't came off Shortstow earlier in his career, 229 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: and AlSi Albi's struggled with injuries, especially at the shoulder 230 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: when he was in the minor league still and it 231 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet to Acunya, so not worry about that. 232 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: But it's he is basically as good of a prospect 233 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: that you'll see traded at the deadline. Yeah, a guy 234 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: who's in the top fifty, who with a couple a 235 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: couple more good months of baseball could be pushing the 236 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: top twenty. 237 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: And who was I talking to that was saying, you're 238 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: just not really going to see top five prospects traded 239 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: that much anymore. 240 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: I don't think you ever will, just because they're so valuable. 241 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: Because free might be mad Eddie. Maybe it was matd Eddie, 242 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: it might have been. Yeah, you just don't because they're 243 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: so valuable. 244 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: Like the bet. 245 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: The worst case scenario basically is that you have a 246 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: guy who's gonna play for six years for free. 247 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the end. 248 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: And like if he's a regular and he's above average, 249 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: that is all gravy from there. And you traded the 250 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: guy in Max Schurzer, who was due a lot of 251 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: money next year, had been pitching a little bit worse 252 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: this year than we're used to in the past, definitely, 253 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: and you did have to pay some money to get 254 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: the prospect. And never breakdown the money here. So he 255 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: was owed fifteen million dollars the rest of the year. 256 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: We're paying nine million of that. He was owed forty 257 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: three million dollars now year and we're paying twenty six 258 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: and a half million of that. So all in all, 259 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: he's Rangers with Max Sharers are getting thirty six million 260 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: dollars to cover him and that's kind of important just 261 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: because it affects the way the luxury tax penalties work 262 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: as well, just because we're in that third level of penalties. 263 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: So the nine million this year is off the books 264 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: and also kills eight million penalties because the tax is 265 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 2: that you have to pay ninety percent of every single 266 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: dollar year over it. So it's eight million off top 267 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: and next year if we're in that threshold just saying 268 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: we are not saying we will because we will know 269 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. 270 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: Yet it's gonna be one hundred and ten percent penalty. 271 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: So that sixteen and a half million saves US eighteen 272 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: million dollars and extra eighteen yes, extra eighteen. 273 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: Million on top of that. So that significant amount of money. 274 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: Hundred percent, Like trading guy like Max Scherzer getting that 275 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: haul back is a really good pull. 276 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: It's a really good poll. 277 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: I mean, a Kunya is like a top fifty prospect 278 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: in baseball by a lot of people, and we said 279 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the number one guy most likely in 280 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: the Mets system. It's a very very good poll. And 281 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: just to talk about Max suers are a little bit 282 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: a little bittersweet, right, I mean, part of the reason 283 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: we're here. We say it all the time, but part 284 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: of the reason we're here is Max Scherzer the whole 285 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: hoopla when he was signing with the Mets that at 286 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: that super super late night rocking the Twitter spaces, having 287 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: all these people in there. The Mets came in there, 288 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: the podcast people came in there and found us like, 289 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: we might not be here if Max Schers didn't sign 290 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: with the Mets. So always would be super grateful, super appreciative. 291 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean he might, well, yeah, we would not, probably 292 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: would have. 293 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: Wouldn't have happened. Would Yeah, it was a miracle. We 294 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: went viral that all happened and then they heard this 295 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: and that's how it works. But it did kind of 296 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: give a bit of surreal feeling where Max Schers are 297 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 2: signed here and he kind of like validated what was 298 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: going to become like the Steve Cohen regimes the New 299 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: York Mets. And he was lights out last year in 300 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: the regular so incredible year, one of the best years 301 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: of his career is tistically struggle with injuries, came back 302 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: and was great, and then two games toward the end 303 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 2: of the year, similar to how he ended his role 304 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: with the Dodgers after their big trade for him, Connor 305 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: ran out of guess that he's older. It happens like 306 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: that's okay, and it was just it definitely left a 307 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: weird feeling in a lot of the Mets fans mouth. 308 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see if he does if he 309 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: does pitch here with the Rangers, because they're coming in 310 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: what a month, month and a half. 311 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, what what the response looks like? Yeah, I mean, 312 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be interesting. Yeah, I generinely don't know. 313 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: And as a guy who was really so productive here 314 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: and also since this year did get going, it was 315 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: a really rocky start for Shares with the injury of suspension, 316 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: weird first month. Since June first, he has a top 317 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: ten strike guy minus walk right in the league. Yeah, 318 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: and all projections say he's still going to be around 319 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: the top fifteen pitcher in the league for the rest 320 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: of the regular season, and usually projections are pretty close 321 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: to being correct. So there's a good chance the Rangers 322 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: did just get a guy who is gonna be a 323 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: frontline starter for them in their pursuit of taking down 324 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: the Astros, winning the Ale West and then storming towards 325 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: a deep playoff front, but a lot of irony in 326 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: Max shars are being traded, even less than a year 327 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: after we interviewed him as one of the first big players. 328 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 2: It's the current players that we interviewed last year and 329 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: we started doing this show arguably. 330 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 3: Like my favorite interview I've ever done, for sure. It 331 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: was incredibly fun. It was interesting, so engaging. 332 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was even weird how we did it because 333 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: John introduced himself to us. Yeah, John was like as 334 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: an interviewed shows that were like, yeah, sure, we want 335 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: to interview shows. 336 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: He's like, okay. 337 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: And then John brought us down to the dugout in 338 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: the field and he was like, I have to run upstairs, 339 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: but let me know if he comes. And then schures 340 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: are after running sprints in the outfield, just walked up 341 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: to us. He was like, hey, guys, a Max straight 342 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: to the interview and we were like, we don't We 343 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: don't even have a camera. 344 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: Like I started calling John. I was frasic. I was 345 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: like John, He's raised like, I'll be there in two seconds. 346 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: I'm just around the corner and John camera for that, right, 347 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: Yes you did, And John got right back down. 348 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: We did it and it was a great interview. It 349 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: was awesome. It was awesome. 350 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: So all right post that too. Yeah, shout out Max Scherzer. 351 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: We'll miss you here in New York. Yeah, appreciate the time. 352 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: And honestly, I really hope the Rangers do well. For 353 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: a couple different reasons, but yeah, for sure, I really 354 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: hope they do well. I like the Rangers a lot 355 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: of like a lot of their players, and it's cool 356 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: to see like a team going for it. 357 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: You always appreciate that in baseball, Yeah, of course, and 358 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: it's also just cool to see that as like the Mets, 359 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: like seeing where they are realistically right now. They got 360 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: a really good player back in return hundred percent, and 361 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: that's not the only trade that they've made. 362 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: Now. 363 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: You know that they made another one David Robertson right 364 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: before the series started, going to the Miami Marlins during 365 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: the series during the series sectors. 366 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting that the Mets made two trades 367 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: this weekend. Both of them happened during Raine Lay in 368 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: the middle of range lace. 369 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they got Marco Vargas back from the Miami 370 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Marlins as well as Ronald Hernandez. I'm gonna let you 371 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: dive a little bit deeper into these guys because there 372 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: was a lot of There was a lot of hoopla 373 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: and uproar with this one from all a lot of 374 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: people who black of a better term, don't know what 375 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: they're talking about. I wouldn't say these people necessarily don't 376 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, but I was just saying 377 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: a lot of times people try to be first rather 378 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: than actually take their time, find some information and make 379 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: it educate the take. 380 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: And yeah, I kind of tweed that it was interesting 381 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: that this trade happened. First. I think that kind of 382 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: lessened the blow of the Max Scherzer trade. 383 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: Because even though it was great, yes, there was, there 384 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: was a twelve hour window where I would say seventy 385 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: five percent of Mets fans lost their minds. Yes, that 386 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: the Mets traded who was their current closer in the season, 387 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: because like also that also lessened the blow because like 388 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: the once you trade David Robertson, we know the Mets 389 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: have had troubles with their bullpen this year. 390 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: We talked about it, yes we did. We kind of 391 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: felt the fact. 392 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: That things were going to change if he went, and 393 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: then he did go, and that made us like, all right, 394 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: someone else is going to go, didn't exactly thing it 395 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: was gonna be, sures her the thing exactly think it 396 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: was going to be Saturday the evening, didn't think it 397 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: was gonna be right after he made a great start 398 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: on Friday, made comments about direction, the team, all that, 399 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: all that. 400 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: Was not expected. 401 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: But the fact that David Robertson was traded for what 402 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: was reported as a team who with a really bad 403 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: farm systems eighteenth and twenty first, I believe best prospects made. 404 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: Some were both teenagers who neither were pictures. 405 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: A lot of Mets fans were very offended that we 406 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: didn't go out and get pictures after drafting. I believe 407 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: twenty six pitchers in the last two drafts combined, and 408 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: a lot of Mets fans really got nervous about that. 409 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: But I do want to assure people that Marco Vargas, 410 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: especially is someone who won might be the best prospect 411 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: of Marlin's entire farm system. Yeah, and two is in 412 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: general very exciting. 413 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean like talking about like the whole 414 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: pitching prospects thing. Back, it's a conversation we had off camera, 415 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: and you can dive into it a little bit more, 416 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: but you mentioned the twenty six guys or twenty five 417 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: whatever it is that the Mets have drafted the last 418 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: few years. Tyler Stewart's been great, Christian Scott's been great. 419 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: We just got Brandon Sprote, Mike Vassel's been fantastic. There 420 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: are late Tidwell just went to double A. There's a 421 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: lot of names that the Mets have gotten over the 422 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: last few years that have been really, really good, and 423 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: they've developed these guys in a very short period of time. 424 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that I know what the Mets 425 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: are doing with trades and whatnot, but the idea that 426 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: they needed a pitching prospect is just a farce. 427 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: It's not true. 428 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: And there's also this kind of conundrum with trading for 429 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: pictures where there's almost this type of like dead zone 430 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: and acquiring a pitching prospect. And we talked about this 431 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: a little bit before that you mentioned, but you want 432 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: to be able to grab a guy as early as 433 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: you can, which is from the draft or as an 434 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: international free agent, because then you can kind of develop 435 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: all of their all of their trades and all their habits. 436 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: You can kind of build their entire plan and take 437 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: them in from the ground up right, and then when 438 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: you get a guy in the middle, like let's say 439 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: you get a picture in hy A double A, even 440 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: triple A, like a lot of Mets fans are clamoring 441 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: for that picture is already being developed by the team, 442 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: and you might have a completely different plan for that. 443 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: So it's still while the picture might seem close, they 444 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: might not actually be close because you might have to 445 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: undo some things that have been done, change the shape, 446 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: change an approach, change a sequencing habit that they have, 447 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: and then bring them back. So even when a guy 448 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: seems close as a pitching prospect, they might not be close. 449 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: Even as of right now. 450 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: All the pictures that Mark mentioned, and we've gotten some 451 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: great content coming out with a lot of these guys 452 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: on Future Flushing John Vivo's podcast. 453 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: They're going to do an interview with Drew Tussant coming up. 454 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: There is this kind of like this feeling that right 455 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: now the Mets have some of the better upper miners 456 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: pitching depth of any organization in baseball. Yeah, because of 457 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: what's gone on off for the last basically eighteen months 458 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: here with these pitching prospects, and like this is where 459 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: a tool like pipeline like I think pipeline's fine, like 460 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: as a base research thing, but like when you're looking 461 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: at prospect rankings, they're so fluid, they're so fluid, they're 462 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: constantly changing. 463 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: Guys get better, guys get worse. Pipeline just doesn't update 464 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: regularly enough to change guys like Marco Vargas or a 465 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: lot of the Mets pitching prospects that have been performing 466 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: really really well, like a Christian Scott, where they're just 467 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: not gonna be changing every day. They're not gonna be 468 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: changing every month. They make like two or three changes 469 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: a year. It's like preseason draft, end of the year. 470 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: That's pretty much what they do. And there's nothing wrong 471 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: with that. They're covering every single team's prospect in all 472 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: of baseball. But that's where like the reporting of what 473 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: the Mets got back or what the Mets pitching depth 474 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: in their farm system gets leaves you a little wanting more, 475 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: is because they're just not giving you the full scope 476 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: of what's happening. 477 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: And that's why there's a lot of value in using resources, 478 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: especially like Baseball Perspectives, Baseball America, and Fangrafts. And we 479 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: had a lot of people from those three outlists most 480 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: trusted prospect sources in the world, even some Mets haters, yes, 481 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: even some messas, even someone who John's reference before, as 482 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: Jared Sidler said, he was absolutely over the moon. He's 483 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 2: a baseball prospectus prospect rather specifically, and a Mets fan 484 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 2: over the moon by these two returns for the Mets, 485 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: just from a prospect perspective, because these guys are some 486 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: people have elevated their standings this year. Marco Vargas last 487 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: year was a seventeen year old in the complex like 488 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 2: he had a great year, but like it really that 489 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: just doesn't really matter. You're seventeen years old. Best case 490 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: scenario what your four years to major leagues. Luis onn 491 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: Helocunya was a prospect who was very up and down 492 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: because he was explosive. He had a live swing and 493 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: miss struggle with pitch selection, but had all the raw tools. 494 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: He had a really bad go last year double A 495 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: in his first time there and a really bad time 496 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: in the AFL, so he dropped down. 497 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: This year he's been great there, so we went back up. 498 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: And that's again, like Mark said, where pipeline fall short, 499 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: where it doesn't update, thats frequently not that their data 500 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: isn't as good, but they're just less frequent. Baseball America 501 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: is very proud to updated. I think that they told 502 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: us every single month. Yeah, and that's a new initiative 503 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: they've done this year, fangrass and prospectives. They're rolling these 504 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: prospect updates out kind of just add nausea in the 505 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: entire season. 506 00:17:58,520 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: Guys playing well, they bump them up. 507 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: They talk about him to get aggressive, and then they 508 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 2: can kind of make shift and maneuver when they have to. 509 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: And a guy like Vargas is someone who you wouldn't 510 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: have seen it from the from the the MLB pipeline rankings, 511 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: but he is in He's a dog. He is someone 512 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: who can be incredibly, incredibly exciting. Still only eighteen years old, 513 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: a bit of a smaller prospect, six feet tall, about 514 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy pounds, so he's not very projectable 515 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: size wise, especially in terms of power ceiling. But he 516 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: has a very compact, short leverage swing from the left side, 517 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 2: which is very cool. You love a nice infield lefty prospect. 518 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: And he has insane, insane, insane bats to ball ability. 519 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: He has a crazy hit tool potential to be one 520 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: of these like really special, like seventy hit tool kind 521 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: of guys. And this year is an eighteen year old 522 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: again in the complex, he's nearly twice as many walks 523 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: as strikeouts. 524 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: Just huge. 525 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: As of right now, over the last ten years of 526 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: minor league day that he has the third best strikeout 527 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: to walk ratio any guy. 528 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: That's a I literally just read that running down in 529 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: the notes. That's absolutely insane, insane, and like two guys 530 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: ahead of him, neither of them really came. 531 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 3: Out too much. 532 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: But the guys right behind him are lined number one 533 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 2: canadaal Gato, I don't know, he might be the miners now. 534 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: Two Alejandra Kirk say what you want in the major league, 535 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: Major League. Also four Wander Franco not bad, not bad. 536 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: I'm not comparing any of these guys to each other, 537 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, like, when you're walking out that 538 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: much more and you're striking out, you're that much more 539 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 2: advanced at the level you're at, you have a lot 540 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: of potential and it's time to see if you. 541 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: Can start rising. And you were telling me the thing 542 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: about Max Clark too. 543 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: Max Clark number three overall pick by the Detroit Tigers 544 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: in this past draft, extremely hyped up prospect, top high 545 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: school hitter, top high school hitter, similar age, similar age, 546 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: six months older than Marco Vargas, and Marco Vargas has 547 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: basically the same eggs of Vello as, the same hit tool, 548 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: the same grades outside of like maybe like athleticism grade, 549 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: slightly better swing speed and EGX of velosities. And that 550 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: was a guy who just went number three over all 551 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: in the draft as one of the most highly touted 552 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: prospects in the entire draft. 553 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: And maybe you can comment on this because I'm not 554 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: as hip with the draft stuff, but I don't know 555 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: what the talent level is compared to like a major 556 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: league complex league versus where Max Clark was playing a 557 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: circuit league. 558 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 3: He was playing in Indiana, and the legit. 559 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: Watch it at the state of Indiana. I'm not going 560 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: about the Hoosiers. I'll just say the like playing baseball 561 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: in the state of Indiana. It's not playing baseball in 562 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: the state of even New Jersey. When you think of 563 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: baseball hop as Indiana is never there. It makes it 564 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 2: extremely impressive that maxwork was even found. The fact that 565 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: he plays in the state of Indiana. I bet you 566 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: they don't have many top ten draft picks from high 567 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 2: school from the state of Indiana. 568 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: There's nothing. I'm not like taking any shots at Max 569 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: Clark by any means. I think he's a great prospect. 570 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: But the idea is that, like where Marco Varga Vargas is, 571 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: I thought, I'm not cho Varga for a second. You've 572 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: been saying saying all day it's just better calls a 573 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: great show. But where Marco Vargas is, he's just been 574 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: playing professional baseball for another year. 575 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll have you know Gil Hodges, Gil Hodges, Scott Rowling, 576 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 5: and Hall of Famer Chuck climb all from the Hoosier State. 577 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: So you watch market watching, Matt, I will slander Indiana 578 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 3: all day. It's a watch, Matt. It's a flyover state 579 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 3: for a reason. 580 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: Basketball though, But goodball this Marco Vargas, while again this 581 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: is you. You were trading three months about of an 582 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: almost four year old re league catcher. 583 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: Which and like we just saw Jordan Hicks get traded. 584 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, who debates has better stuff than David Roberts, but 585 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: worst results, worst results, but he throws one hundred and 586 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: three like wipeout stuff. He just got traded to the 587 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: Blue Jays for Sam Robertsa and Adam Kloffenstein, who are 588 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: like twenty three year old Double A pitchers who are 589 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: like a whole lot of nothing. 590 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, Cloffenstein's a kind of a meme in the prospect 591 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: world because he's for some reason been MLFY pipeline top 592 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: one hundred for years and we don't really know why. 593 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Those are guys who're rocking like twenty percent k rates 594 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 1: at like the league average age in Double A. Like 595 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not good players, but like the 596 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: idea that the Mets were gonna be able to flip 597 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: David Robertson for this like next great picture was insane. 598 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: There was no shot it was ever happening. Ve don't 599 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: make a good point Earlier's like we're traded in for 600 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: Noahs Kindergarten Travis Star. 601 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: No, Like that's not happening again. 602 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: No, I have a quite funny question I want to 603 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: ask you, because now we're talking back about David Robertson. 604 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: How many innings you think David Robertson threw for the 605 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: Mets in the last I wrote it down here in 606 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 2: June and July combined, so because you basically have August 607 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: September left, so that's two months the last two months. 608 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: How many innings you throw twenty one nineteen and two thirds. Oh, 609 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: was close nineteen and two thirds to the Mets in 610 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: the last two months. So you traded about twenty innings 611 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: of a closer on a team that is decently out 612 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: of the playoff race for a prospect to a lot 613 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: of risk, so much super yeah, but a ton of 614 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: sealing potential and a guy who is known as being 615 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: very exciting, very projectable. He he kind of reminded me 616 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: just looking at his profile, watching his swing and seeing 617 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 2: these complex stats. 618 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: We'll see how he does. Jihn's going to Port Saint Lucy. 619 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, well maybe maybe, okay, maybe we'll take 620 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: it maybe strong maybe Ave l Amador, he's been one 621 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 2: of the hot, fat prospects. Yeah, and same height, same 622 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: kind of short swing. I'm a door to switch hither 623 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: and he's a little bit bulkier, but he's two years older. 624 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: So Vargas has the ability to get a little bigger. 625 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: But I'm a door right now. Is projecting as one 626 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: of the best prospects in the whole league based purely 627 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: on the date. 628 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: Get him on the Randyer Rose rain to diet chicken 629 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: and rice, chicken and rice, chicken, rice and push ups 630 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: and push ups. 631 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of push ups all you need. And 632 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: we got another prospect back in this year. Yea some 633 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: more Yeah, some of the very similar profile as Vargas. 634 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: What his name, Ronald Hernandez, nineteen year old complex catcher, 635 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: similar skills set, also more walks and strikeouts. 636 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: Definitely a little bit lower rated, but similar idea. 637 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: Just get a guy in the complex who's playing much 638 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: better league average, looks incredibly advanced, good hitter and push 639 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 2: him up. 640 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: Just keep moving them. 641 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: Yep. 642 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: There's there's a lot that gets talked about in the 643 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: world of prospects from people who just have a baseline understanding. 644 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to pretend like we're experts by 645 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: any means, No, but we for sure know a decent 646 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: bit and past that just knowing where to look, Yes, 647 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: research like undertaking the extra ten minutes before you send 648 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: your tweet. 649 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, goes a very very long on, much a long way. 650 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 2: And I remember years ago other trades that bets have 651 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: made for relievers. We want to trade ads and read 652 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: for Garson Batista Jamie Callahan and Steven Nigosik. Yeah, sometimes 653 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: you get pictures who are MLB ready and it really 654 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,239 Speaker 2: is not going to turn out too much. So even 655 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: though these guys are eighteen nineteen years old, very high 656 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: risk with their high ceilings, like sometimes the guys who 657 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: are closed are also high risk. Jimmie Callahan's shoulder like 658 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: fell off. It was done, couldn't pitch anymore. Stephen and 659 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: Goosik say what you wanted about him, He did make it. 660 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: Garson Batista part of another trade that we can't not 661 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: gonna talk about. Dis Yeah, trade that really worked out, 662 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: like trade of the hot head for the best closer. 663 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 5: Ever, there's also other context to consider. Like you mentioned Hernandez, 664 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 5: he came over to the States two years ago, struggle 665 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 5: bit in the FCL. This year is OBP has increased 666 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 5: by one hundred and thirty five points a lot as 667 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 5: he learns. Vargas is stateside for the first time. So 668 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 5: these are young These are young people. 669 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: Forget players. 670 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 5: There are young people that are coming to a brand 671 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 5: new country the first time ever, for the first time ever, 672 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 5: having brand new experiences. And you can't just look at 673 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 5: the Baseball Reference page as much as you want to, 674 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 5: and I'm inclined to do that as well. But there's 675 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 5: a lot of contact and when a guy thrives in 676 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 5: his first or second year in the States, there is 677 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 5: reason to be even more excited about a prospect like 678 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 5: that I had. 679 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: I got a class at South Carolina. It was about 680 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: like the business of baseball, and it was taught by 681 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: the guy who owned the Columbia Fireflies when the Mets 682 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: were part were affiliate with them, and he used to 683 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: be the owner of the Savanna san Nats. And he 684 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: told a story which was very funny because I was 685 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: the only Mets fan obviously in the class, about this 686 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: young prospect that was in Savannah as a sixteen year 687 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: old for the first time ever in America, by the 688 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 1: name of Wilmer Flores. And he goes like, I like 689 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: basically brought him in as part of my family. Like 690 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: he's a child who doesn't speak any English in Savannah, Georgia, 691 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: which couldn't be less baseball inclined at all. He's like 692 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: these kids, like there's a lot of growing that goes 693 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: on for a lot of them outside of also playing 694 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: baseball with the pressure a lot of times of like 695 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: being extremely successful. 696 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: This is what their family might need sometimes. 697 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: Could you imagine dropping sixteen year old Mark in the 698 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: Megigan republish absolutely nothing. 699 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: It just exists, live your life, go go be a superstar. 700 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: I would fail. Fail. It seems really hard. 701 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: And also, just as we wrap up this conversation, I 702 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: know Mark Wilson wants to go through a little bit 703 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: of who the Marlins had ranked ahead of these guys, 704 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: but you really just there is this kind of inclination 705 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: to outrage METS fans on the internet. Yes, people know 706 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: that that gets clicks, that that gets better engagement. 707 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 3: It's obvious, and you see reporters who are out there. 708 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say who said this, but there was 709 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: one reporter who did an unbelievable double take and it 710 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: was it was. 711 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: It was twelve almost exactly. 712 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: Ten hours apart his tweet, the first one when this 713 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 2: trade happened, started with texted with an MLB scout who 714 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: admits he doesn't know much about these young minor leaguers. 715 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: So should have ended? Should shouldn't shouldn't it? Once you 716 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: write that, you should not send a tweet. 717 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: So I'm now commenting about someone's comment who admitted and 718 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: I'm telling you they admitted that they know nothing about 719 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: these players. Thought the Mets would get more like what 720 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: the Cubs got last year for Ben Brown. Mets need 721 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: pitching in their system, drafted over twenty pitchers in the 722 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: last two draft. Yeah, they thought they used Roberson to 723 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: add a pitcher. And again, this is an unfair comparison, 724 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: because the Ben Brown, who the Cubs got last year 725 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: from the Phillies for Dave Robinson, has sent into a 726 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: star top ten overall pitching prospect in baseball when that 727 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: trade was made, though, Ben Brown's a twenty two year 728 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: old in Higa who is still really good, getting good results, 729 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 2: but struggling with command. And since then he's had media 730 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: other cries. There's absolutely no saying that that doesn't happen 731 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: to Marco Vargers over the next year. It's no saying 732 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: it will, no saying it won't. No way to say that. 733 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: But to compare that from last year a little bit 734 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: unfair and the other thing people were getting first. 735 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: Actually, I want to close this loop here. 736 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: Same person tweeted ten hours lay there heard from a 737 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: former GM who wanted to defend Eppler. I get the 738 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: fans won't like the trade. But this is how you 739 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: build a strong farm system. You bet on the best talent, 740 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: regardless of physician age or level, based on your organizational scouting, 741 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: not the prospect ranking. Give it some time, correct. The 742 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: same person said those two tweets ten hours apart. I mean, 743 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: it's just word vomit point, it's just crazy. But people 744 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 2: were upset about the fact that the Mets made this 745 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: trade days before the deadline, where it logically that could 746 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: make some sense, especially the Ben Brown thing that the 747 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 2: idea of leverage, Yeah, waiting leverage like work, But technically 748 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: that might not work for the Mets because everyone and 749 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: their mother knew they wanted to trade David Robertson the 750 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: thirty eight year old and a one year deal and 751 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: the team that is far out of the playoff race. 752 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 2: And two, if they really liked Marco Vargas, which by 753 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: all accounts they very much did. Like we said before, 754 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: he was the Marlins' best piece, and the Marlins have 755 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: been very aggressive this deadline. They're probably not even done yet. 756 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: John's Marlins as they fall well out of the playoff race. 757 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 3: And the Mets first half team. The Mets don't see 758 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: them again for two months. Which is crazy that played 759 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers will played multiple games the Jets. 760 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: Hopefully by the time we see the Miami Marlins again, 761 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: I'll talk about my coach. 762 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: I'll talk about my coach like that's a little blow. 763 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: But if this is the guy you wanted and they're 764 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: gonna dangle him for other relievers, other hitters, other starting pitchers, 765 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 2: then you have to just make the trade. Yeah, if 766 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: you circle this guy and I prosperate. People are saying, 767 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: he's probably already the top seven five prospect of another 768 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: good year, especially if he gets good results in single A. 769 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: Could be the met second best prospect by the way, 770 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: literally could be. It's not the third. 771 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 3: He could be. 772 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: He could really push all the way up the system, 773 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: all the way have prospect ranks by the time LB 774 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 2: pipeline comes out next year. He could be a comedy. 775 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 2: He could be media rising. So then if this is 776 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: the guy, if you circled him, you're scouting, you believe 777 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: in everything. If the organization is coherent in total, you 778 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: go out and get the guy you want to get. 779 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: That's a good move. 780 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 781 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: I mean, like some of the guys that were head 782 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: of in the Marlins organization, real quick Max Meyer, Tommy John, 783 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: Jacob Barry has been god af awful, Dax Fulton injuries, 784 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: Jake Eder, Another Braxton Garrett, Tommy John, Joe Mack is 785 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: twenty years old at hig A and has a five 786 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: P fifty two ops sounds bad Yiddi cap Jacob Miller, 787 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: Jordan Grosshans has never hit in his life. 788 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: Six Dough Sanchez, six Sanchz. He hasn't played baseball in years. 789 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: He still has rookie eligibility when he comes back. If 790 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: he ever comes back, he's a twenty five, he'll be 791 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: twenty six. 792 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 3: I think in a few months here. 793 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: The prospect rankings are just they're they're a tool, but 794 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: don't make it like word proof anything. 795 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: Something else I think I noticed from LB pipeline. This 796 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: isn't like crobre This isn't I haven't like regressed the statistically, 797 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: but it seems like since they're very much intertwined with 798 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, because they are yeah same place, they 799 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: will a lot of times use with a guy I 800 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: guess as a signing bonus when I signed internationally, of course, 801 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: and Marco Vargas was not a highly said after international 802 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: signed player. It was Luis and Helicunya. Both them were 803 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: a little smaller, and that will hurt your signing bonus 804 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: a lot. So sometimes LB pipeline, when a guy's not 805 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: signed very highly, it takes him a very long time 806 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: to actually put them high in their list. And there's 807 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: a really, really, really good example of this that Mark 808 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: and I found the other day, totally original, totally independently 809 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: tweeted that both got great engagement at some tweets and 810 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: that definitely definitely didn't get a text from anyone here. 811 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: Johnny Stat's like five minutes before I tweeted out. 812 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: Definitely the hanger of it, no way. But one of 813 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: the most exciting young players in baseball right now. 814 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: His name if you ever, guys I've ever heard of them, 815 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: Elie de la Cruz year, Brian de la Cruz's brother. 816 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 817 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in twenty twenty three, he's twenty one years old, 818 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: and he is one of the most exciting players in 819 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. At the end of the twenty twenty 820 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: one season, so one full year of the miners in 821 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: between there, he was not in the Cincinnati Reds Top 822 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: thirty prospects lbpie. Yeah, he was not in their top thirty. 823 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 2: There were there's a who's who of names who were 824 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: in the top thirty besides him, not him, Joe Boyle, 825 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: who's actually because had had the research right recently. Yeah, 826 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: it's it's just it's you can't really go to these 827 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: rankings and take them as gospel because they're just. 828 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: Not even from the Mets. 829 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: Francisco alve Reson twenty nineteen was the thirteenth rank prospect, 830 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: behind big names like Shirviyan Newton, Anthony K. Thomas, A 831 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 1: Pucky Franklin Colome, and Desmond Lindsay. 832 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: I mean, Michael Sianni. I'm still waiting for the breakout 833 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: for the rest. They go one more outfielder and that 834 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: team they're gonna make a run this yeh, No worry 835 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: about Michael Ciatti. Yeah, I mean, like that's your boy, 836 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: Ivan Johnson. Of course, that's. 837 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: Kind of the whole just conversation that we wanted to 838 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: have with you guys about these trades. 839 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: Met's got a lot of really good stuff. 840 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: Back and a lot of smart people think the mess 841 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: did a really good job this weekend. 842 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: So I think based on what we've seen, what we've heard, 843 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: what we know, you should be happy with the haul back, 844 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: I understand, like trading matchers or and David Robertson like 845 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: is sad. Like I think we we very much wanted 846 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: the mess to be buyers, like we were hoping there 847 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: was a world that that existed. 848 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 3: But it's just not the case right now. 849 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: The problem isn't the reaction to what happened. The problem 850 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: is what's happened. The problem is the reality. The problem 851 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: is that the Mets had a disappointing season and now 852 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: they founded more advantageous to trade these guys for assets 853 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: right than keep them for the next half of this 854 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: which is the right move and that but that part 855 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: does suck. 856 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: That park sucks. Wake up in the morning every day. 857 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, I wish them as were in the first place. 858 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, like I do. I wish it'd be great 859 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: if they were. But sometimes you have to you have 860 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: to see the forest through the trees and that's it. 861 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 2: And despite all that, Mets took three or four from 862 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: the Nationals this week. Yeah, they played in really good baseball, 863 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: really good baseball. 864 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: Fourteen and nine so far in July. Yeah, I mean 865 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: it's been great. 866 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: Talk about Game one code I Sanga again, so great, 867 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: so fantastic great. It is even a game where he 868 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: wasn't really getting the same amounts of strikeouts compared to walks. 869 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: I've seen recent games only three walks and only five strikeouts. 870 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: We had fourteen wists and six innings, and you gave 871 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: one earned run on a leadoff walk to c J. 872 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: Ris who stole a base to score and a sack fly. 873 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: And the biggest thing about Sanga this last month and 874 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: a half said a lot to you guys, this color 875 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: has really really really transformed his game. If he's primary 876 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: pitch on Thursday, second time he's done that this month, 877 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 2: only two times he's done that this entire season, where 878 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: color was the most thrown pitch, He's thrown more colors 879 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: than ghost forks. Now this season, if you talk about 880 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: how far that pitch has come along and how often 881 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: he's been using it recently, weirdly though he didn't throw 882 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: any of them in oh two one two counts, it's 883 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: just really really really becoming like. 884 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: His key way to get soft contact. 885 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: And we said that was something he was struggling with 886 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: the first month, six weeks he was here, he's getting 887 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: ahead of these counts, and then sometimes the guys were 888 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: ready for the ghost fork, and then they were kind 889 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: of just waiting for the fastball and there wasn't really 890 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: way to pitch through. He got past that by pitching backwards. Now, 891 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: adding in the color, he's got over fifty percent ground 892 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: ball rate against and a seventy one percent poor contact 893 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: rate per Alex Chamberlain's pitch leader Board, some of you 894 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: guys can find on Twitter keeps every single staff for 895 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 2: every single pitch a little more in depth than Baseball Savan. 896 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: That seventy one percent poor contact rate is the second 897 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: for any pitch by any starting pitcher in. 898 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 3: All of baseball. Wow. 899 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: The only one with a better poor contact rate is 900 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: Kyle Hendrix. Change It was a way smaller sample too, Yes, 901 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: and he's a guy who's been using that change up 902 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: as the only thing basically keeping in the major leagues 903 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: for what a half a decade now eight years Kyle Hendrix. 904 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: So the fact that this pitch and Koda Sang has 905 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: been throwing it for eight weeks in total just learned it, 906 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: and the fact that early this could the result is ridiculous. 907 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: And with that it supplements it goes fork really well. 908 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: I had another fifty percent with Fray game, which lowered 909 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: this full season with Fray down to a round sixty percent, 910 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: which is really stupid. Still one of the best pitches 911 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: in baseball, and as of Saturday, Code Sanga ranked fourth 912 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: in the n L and era, fourth and strikeout rate 913 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: and third and batting average against. 914 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 4: Yep. 915 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 2: I mean he's been great. Remember when Kyle Hendrix made 916 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: a start in the twenty fifteen playoffs. 917 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: Against the Mets. 918 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: God, yeah, that's a long time ago, eight years ago. Yeah, 919 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: he's still there. He's still kicking, kicking around. But yeah, 920 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: Vogie had a big hit in the eighth inning time 921 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: the game up. 922 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: Then we had that like super crazy rain delay where 923 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: it just poured like crazy for like forty minutes. 924 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 5: Question for you guys, which rain was crazier. I've been 925 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 5: big on the weather, if you can attest to that 926 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 5: recently maybe weather we Johnny Radar, I mean, the weather 927 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,239 Speaker 5: has been insane. So and those were both like end 928 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 5: of time storm. 929 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 3: So which which one was spookier? To you guys? Which 930 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: one had you shook? 931 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: I think I think the first one Thursday, Yeah, Thursday 932 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: nights because I was in the car. 933 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 3: That during that game. That's sound good. 934 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: No, my sister very nicely came picked me up to 935 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: go home for the weekend to Jersey, and once she 936 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 2: got to me, she was like, you have to drive back. 937 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: That's super fair, you said. Your sister's a little scared 938 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: too driving. 939 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: She's gotten so much better since she like lived and 940 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: worked in Southside Chicago. She's really good now. She used 941 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: to be not so good, but now she's really good. 942 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 2: I hope she listens to this. I hope my mom 943 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: or dad here is this show. Thanks John, not you John, 944 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 2: John John can't say that. 945 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 3: Why not John? You guys John John's got a wife and. 946 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: Kid at home. But this rainelay was also really weird 947 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 2: because the Mets had just tied the game up the 948 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: game where they were being shut out until the eighth inning, 949 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: and before that Randola David Robs was warming up with 950 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 2: the bullpen and during the rainda Brooks really came out 951 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 2: after him. The little people were like, I wonder why 952 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: that happened, And then we figured out why that happened. 953 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 2: It kind of made the whole David Robinson saga get 954 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 2: a little weird as well. Yep, Mark Cannon with the 955 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 2: sackfly Mets win this game. Brooks Raley with the save 956 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: Brooks really with the same closer in baseball Brooksie, Baby, 957 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 2: let's go game two. 958 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: Max Sus just the last start with the Mets. 959 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: Really good, really good, so good really uh good send off, 960 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: I guess yeah, and uh it was it was. It 961 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: was weird that you had such a good start and 962 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: he was traded after it. Yeah, usually when you have 963 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 2: an asset you're trying to trade, especially one that is 964 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: older and has been injured, like you. 965 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: Don't you doesn't pitch. Yeah, it's typically the way it goes. 966 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: But maybe that's also what the range are like, ooh, 967 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: little Max Suirs. Yeah, could get a little Max in there. 968 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: And Pete totally back. Pete's so back. He's just been 969 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: crushing baseballs. Even today. 970 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 2: He had like a ball at the end of the bat, 971 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 2: like right to the warning track and leftfielder like man, yes, 972 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 2: swings feeling good right now. Yeah, it just looks like 973 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 2: he's just dealty again, which is a really big thing 974 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 2: for Pete. And this game's from pub the x Volossies 975 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: right here. The one home run one hundred twelve and 976 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: a half one hundred and seven point one. So I 977 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 2: mentioned that stat about two balls and playing one game 978 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: with over one hundred five miles our x velosity. 979 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 3: It seems like Pete's back. 980 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: It was. 981 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 3: It was a very very clean win again for the Mets. 982 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: John's saying that Piazza TI or Pete tied a couple 983 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: of Piazza things in the game. 984 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 3: What do you got for us ERTHI home run? 985 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 5: Yes, now has four seasons with thirty plus home runs, 986 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 5: tied for the most in Mets history. And he also 987 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 5: is now tied with Mike and Carlos Speltran for the 988 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 5: most multi homer games with seventeen and his first homer 989 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 5: won four to fifty three. 990 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 2: Wow. 991 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 5: He has the same amount of home runs hid four 992 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 5: fifty feet or more as sho Heyo Tani was he 993 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 5: broke into the league. 994 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 3: So that's awesome. The guy's a freak. Yeah, and with 995 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 3: the best power hitter on that history. 996 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's probably the best power hit in baseball 997 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: since he came up. He's like twenty five home runs 998 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: clear of the field. Like he said, last episode's ridiculous, 999 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: but also something super nerdy, super weird baseball scoring thing 1000 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: happened in this game. 1001 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 3: Didn't mean anything. 1002 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: I thought it was funny Keeberwieze dropped a foul pop 1003 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: up by Jeff McNeil, and it prolonged the bat, so 1004 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: ruled an error. 1005 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 3: And then Jeff McNeil hit a single. 1006 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was funny, so I still ruled a hit, 1007 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 2: even though would have been under run if he came 1008 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 2: round of the score. Yeah, just neary the baseball thing. 1009 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of cool Nerds baseball for sure. 1010 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 2: Then you have Game three. 1011 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: The torrential rain caused the delay, and as that delay 1012 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: was happening, trades happening, I was at my house. I 1013 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: was prepared to make a video record the Surezer part 1014 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: because all the reports have been coming out already, and 1015 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: then it was like eight fifteen, hadn't heard anything. I 1016 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to that hour. Weird, that weird hour. 1017 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to the game because it's delayed 1018 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: eight thirty. I sent my parents away. My parents came 1019 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: to go to the game with him, go without me. 1020 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: I'll meet you there. As soon as I get out 1021 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: of the uber at City Field, my phone starts buzz 1022 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: and macures been officially traded to the text trade, and like, 1023 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: this is unbelievable timing for me trying to make a 1024 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: video because. 1025 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 2: We're like ten mints there where. It seemed like it 1026 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 2: like this might not happen based on Twitter. I a 1027 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: little scared. Yeah, it would have been quite awkward saga 1028 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 2: I think, as Hayman called it. 1029 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm blog. Yeah, you wouldn't have seen that lot. 1030 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: Saw John Hayman in the city. Yeah, I was just 1031 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: walking around in New York. Turn on the corner, go 1032 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, John Hayman. They're standing right next to him. 1033 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 3: He went like Jim Shorts. He was just hanging out. 1034 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 3: I mean respect it respected among the people. 1035 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was another tough stuff for Carrasco, who's had 1036 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 2: a really rough GOVID. And the fact that we watched 1037 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 2: Max Scherzer go as he was getting crushed in the 1038 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 2: first hitting that was that was weird. 1039 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 3: About reg Garrett. Let's talk abouthim. Regrett look good. I'm 1040 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 3: not gonna lie Regard. It looked really good. 1041 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: As only as third appearance of the year he'd been 1042 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: he'd bounced around the Orioles Nationals Tigers last few years. 1043 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: Primary pitch was a slider and was above ninety miles 1044 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: an hour. Nice hard slider too, ninety seven mile an 1045 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 2: hour fastball with pretty decent hot, good rising action, and 1046 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: he mixed in a splayer also looked good. 1047 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 3: Could be a fine, could be fun, could be a fine. 1048 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 2: Something we're gonna learn probably as the season goes on. 1049 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 2: We're gonna find some guyssn't get more innings. He almost 1050 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 2: three innings too, and we'll still well, still hop by 1051 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 2: the end of it. Yeah, and Mark Viento's home run. 1052 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: He's been hot since he got called up. I think 1053 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 2: you said six or eighteen. I think might be seven 1054 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 2: for twenty one or is it six point eighteen? 1055 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: I thought I saw seven for twenty one on Twitter today, regardless, 1056 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: sitting three hundred since he's been called up, extra base hits, doubles, 1057 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: home runs, looking great at the plate, YEP. 1058 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 2: And Francisco Howers his twentieth running the season that made 1059 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 2: him the second catcher aged twenty one years old or 1060 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 2: younger to have twenty home runs in the season, only 1061 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: behind Johnny Bench. 1062 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 3: We're gonna We're gonna get you, Johnny. 1063 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: Seven home runs to beat Johnny Bench for the most 1064 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 2: home runs everybody catch her age twenty one or younger. 1065 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 3: We've been coming for that stat since April John, I 1066 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 3: have a trivia question for you guys. 1067 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 5: He is the first catcher to hit rookie catcher with 1068 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 5: twenty homers in a season since. 1069 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 3: Who Giovanni Soda? 1070 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 5: No, that's a good guess, and it's like kind of grychez. 1071 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 3: What carry Sanchez? No? WHOA? 1072 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: All right? 1073 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 3: I don't know who is it? 1074 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 2: I mean, take another guess, take another guess another rookie. 1075 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 5: If you guys watch this dude play and he had 1076 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 5: a crazy falloff. He was doing this to Korea in 1077 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 5: like two years. 1078 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 2: It felt like, ooh, doing this to Korea or my 1079 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 2: next that's gonna be will I was gonna, honestly guess 1080 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 2: Travis Darno. 1081 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,479 Speaker 3: No rookie to all powers. He was thirty one years old, 1082 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 3: went to Atlanta. 1083 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 5: I'm like he had twenty eight homers in twenty twelve 1084 00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 5: as a rookie catcher. 1085 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: Twenty two Well twelve, man, I'm Chris Iyanetta, No, who 1086 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: is it? 1087 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 3: Willie? 1088 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 5: And roar? 1089 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 3: WHOA never would have pulled that name? Deep pull Colorado. 1090 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: Rocky's the great idea that sent me right back in 1091 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: though interesting Willan Rosario sixteen gone, You're right, what happened? 1092 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 3: He must have been horrible defensively, must have not been 1093 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 3: able to catch juice juice, juice juice. 1094 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, Alva rest awesome, awesome hitter, like two hundred 1095 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: fifty play appearances a year as twenty homers now and 1096 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: then wrap this year is up Game four on Sunday. 1097 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: Weird vibesday after the shows are trade just strange, strange, 1098 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: little like like a film was over everybody here, maybe 1099 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: just usespecially because again, like the fascinations we've had with 1100 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: Shars are the way that he kind of helped help 1101 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: spawn us individually and as. 1102 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 3: A duo here. 1103 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: But Orlander was great, gave give her run the first 1104 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 2: inning that was super clean. After that, left in the 1105 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 2: sixth to a really really nice standing ovation a very 1106 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 2: appreciative fans, a group of fans of City Field really 1107 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 2: really let us in Verlander here. That was really nice 1108 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 2: because he threw a game and he's been lights out 1109 00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 2: for like two months now. 1110 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the offense also started swinging the bat 1111 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: as well. McNeil hitting third, got a couple of hits 1112 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: for US, big big RBI at one point down the line, 1113 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: Lindor home run, double, single, triple, away from the cycle. 1114 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo swinging the bat. I know he didn't get 1115 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: any like uh I think results, but he was swinging 1116 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: the bat. 1117 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 2: Well almost got the third game this calendar month where 1118 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: Fa Cisco Indorge four balls and play over one hundred 1119 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 2: miles an hour. Yep, that's something that of course John 1120 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 2: didn't listen last episode. That's something Exander Bogar has only 1121 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 2: done twice in his career. Yeah, Lindor almost jundred, one hundred, 1122 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety nine. 1123 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of John, John's favorite player, Danny Mendick, big day, 1124 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: huge day. 1125 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 3: Usually for Danny. Mandy brought the ops up like two 1126 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 3: hundred points. 1127 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good day, it's good days. Hit clean day 1128 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: of baseball. Da Peterson came into this game, did a 1129 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: pretty good job too. 1130 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 3: Gave up run but it was unearned. Then Ottavino and 1131 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 3: elite closer Brooks really struck out the side. Yeah, good baseball. 1132 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 3: Maybe good baseball team. I don't know. 1133 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 2: There might be something about just the looseness. Now this 1134 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 2: team's gonna happen. It looked like they're really just have 1135 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 2: a fun out there. Lindor looked really relaxed, really chill. 1136 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 2: He had a great play up the middle, couple, a 1137 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 2: couple of great plays, Brooks Rey, it was cracking a 1138 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 2: huge smile. 1139 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 3: Yep, Jeff hit the triple. Relaxed. Just get to play 1140 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 3: some ball with the boys. 1141 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: Play some ball with the boys. Play some ball with 1142 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: the boys. Three or four from the Nationals. Keep moving on. 1143 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: Got the Royal Series coming up next, which we'll talk 1144 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: about here in a second. But well, of course have 1145 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: to talk about the estimate. John, how did we fare? 1146 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: What were you looking at? 1147 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 5: There were a lot of pitchers used in this series. 1148 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 5: There were twenty five different guys used. Your guesses are 1149 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 5: crazy high. Yeah, but it turned out to actually not 1150 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,479 Speaker 5: be that high, like not too over the top high. 1151 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 5: So another dub for Mark. Yeah, another dub from Mark. 1152 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 5: But James, you got the Boston one. Yeah, I guess 1153 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 5: you guys didn't. We didn't have to count on that. 1154 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: No, we didn't, James. James got one in Boston. So 1155 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm up to plus two two. 1156 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 5: Up up too on aggregate on aggregate. So now Kansas 1157 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 5: City Barbecue, grey. 1158 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 3: Barbecue, really good barbicue Kansas City. 1159 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 5: You know, Chris Majkowski today was telling me that Kansas 1160 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 5: City Barbecue is one of the most overrated things in America. 1161 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 3: Definitely the wrong place. He does not pick good places. 1162 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 2: I think I think that North Carolina barbecue is the 1163 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,240 Speaker 2: most overate barbecue I've ever. 1164 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 3: Had North Carolina. I think they're all good. I saw. 1165 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 1: I would say North Carolina's is definitely worse than South Carolina. 1166 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 3: No doubt that's from Carolina. 1167 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 4: No. 1168 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 3: South Carolina had barbaric way better, significantly better. 1169 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: But Texas barbecue is awesome. Missouri barbecue or Saint Louis barbecue. 1170 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: Technically this is called really good. 1171 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 2: Tennessee barbecues is awesome too, has some great Memphis barbecue. 1172 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 3: I haven't done as much as you're touring of the. 1173 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 2: South as you have rendezvous in Memphis. Yeah, sec boy, 1174 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,439 Speaker 2: but I really enjoyed. Can't see the barbecue I was there. 1175 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 5: Well, Madge doesn't seem to like it. So maybe I 1176 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 5: could put you guys in touch and you could maybe 1177 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 5: I would love to them to argument Madge. All right, 1178 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 5: Well anyway, Bobby Wood Junior red hot. The Royals by 1179 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 5: the way, heating up just in time. They just want 1180 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 5: the twins and Bobbywood Junior two homers, a double a 1181 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 5: triple nine, RBI. 1182 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 2: Walk off, Grand Slam walk off Grand Slam. 1183 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 5: Did you see the girl the video of the girl 1184 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 5: from Georgia who went to see her favorite player play 1185 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 5: and he did that? Very cool, very cool. 1186 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 3: That's big league. 1187 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 2: That was also the fastest pitch that was hit for 1188 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 2: home outside the strike zone since we had pitched tracking 1189 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. 1190 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty cool, it was. It was, say, Bobby Wit sick. 1191 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 2: He's so good. 1192 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 3: Glad I got some baseball cards of him. 1193 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 5: Nice great player and the Mets very good shortstop of 1194 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 5: their own friends of school Indoor. Last three games against 1195 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 5: the natsicks twelve, two homers and double so two premier 1196 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 5: shortstops in the game. So I want you guys to 1197 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 5: tell me how many total bases or how many total 1198 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 5: bases combined will there be between Bobby Wit Jr. 1199 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 3: And Francis School Indoor. Where'd you get the whiteboard from 1200 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 3: b y O w your own? I got one? I 1201 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 3: got Oh, John's got a white board for me. I 1202 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 3: can't wait. 1203 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 5: I haven't wropped my hand. 1204 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 3: Let me get that whiteboard, John Well James to total bases. 1205 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby Wood series, Bobby WIT's been great, Thank goodness. 1206 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: Stolen bases don't count because he yeah, he steals a 1207 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: base or two. He's a fast boy. Yeah, he's a 1208 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: great player. 1209 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 2: It's also I mean the Royals pitching staff has been 1210 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 2: that's so great. I'd say for the last I don't know, 1211 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five is years. 1212 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 3: So now they were twenty fifteen they were okay, they're 1213 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 3: good enough for you. A couple underrating. 1214 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: There were Cuato, Edison, Violcauz, Giordano Ventura. 1215 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 3: Yes, yeaheah, I don't know. I thought you were Donnie. 1216 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 3: May you rest in peace? Yeah? 1217 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: They had some good pictures on that team, all right. 1218 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: Danny Duffy was he there? Total basis by the two. 1219 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 2: Joe Barlow, is dfade really bring him home? They've used 1220 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 2: to follow me on Instagram? So don't care. 1221 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 3: He doesn't follow me anymore, unfollowed me. Don't care. 1222 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: I was so Joe bar A lot of total bases 1223 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,760 Speaker 1: between the two. I'm gonna go with, Yeah, I feel 1224 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: good about this. And you know what I'm gonna say, 1225 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: eighty percent is gonna come from Francisco. I'm gonna we 1226 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: don't care about the Jinks anymore. We've been anti jinks. 1227 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 1: No more jinks, no more jinks. 1228 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 3: For instance, gonna have eighty percent of this. 1229 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: I got mine alright ready, yep, three two, one, bang, 1230 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: fourteen thirteen. 1231 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 3: Wow, we just always on it. Oh so close. I 1232 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,280 Speaker 3: was about to fourteen. I raced it for the thirteen. 1233 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 3: But you're normally an under guy. You should feel good 1234 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 3: about that. If I'm higher for. 1235 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 2: This series, I would like to be the over guy. 1236 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, that's gonna be tough for you. 1237 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 2: Whatever our pitching matchups, John, thank you for the estimate. 1238 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 2: As always, thank you, John. Pitching matchups this series. Tuesday 1239 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 2: eight ten Jose Kintana versus Zach Grink Battle of two 1240 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 2: Wiley veterans. We're gonna see a lot of pitches below 1241 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 2: ninety miles hour in this game, many to coul possibly 1242 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 2: imagine game two Wednesday, also a ten code I Sanga 1243 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 2: versus Alec Marsh. Alec Marsh is a pitcher who has 1244 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 2: the potential to have potential. 1245 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: The best way I could put that, that's fair. He's 1246 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: like ten once. 1247 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, if he was in most of the organizations in baseball, 1248 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 2: I'd be like, he could be exciting Royals might be 1249 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 2: a little smart. I don't know if that's a little 1250 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 2: hitting wise, maybe a little home run power out of it. 1251 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 2: They were a little smart hitting wise, but then we 1252 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 2: stole their minor league hitting coordinator a few years ago. 1253 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 2: They've been not too smart since he literally built Vini 1254 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 2: pas Patino, he built Bobby with and power from. Yeah, 1255 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now they've all stopped developing these 1256 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 2: hits and we got their guys. 1257 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 3: I'm just saying. And then Thursday we have an open 1258 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 3: spot because that was Max Schurzers. 1259 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 2: Uh. It seems like based on minor league schedules, Tyler 1260 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 2: McGill's on track to pitch that day. His results in 1261 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 2: trip away have not been very good, but we don't 1262 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 2: know exactly, don't want to speculate. And two to ten 1263 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 2: game also Thursday afternoon, Brady Singer from the Royals. Okay, yeah, 1264 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 2: I mean Brace Singers like definitely their best picture. But 1265 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 2: he has a five to five R this year, such 1266 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 2: a little better recently. 1267 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, the Royals won thirty one games. 1268 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad baseball. Royals barely are head of the days. 1269 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 3: They're allegedly trying. 1270 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, they they I think they are they are trying. Yeah, 1271 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: severlent out for a little bit. 1272 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 3: Now he's back. Michael Carcia is someone who's a little 1273 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 3: bit exciting. 1274 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: He is. 1275 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 2: Oh no, I thought he was cousins with the Anas. 1276 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 3: He is. 1277 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 2: He's a lot of a lot of Major League Baseball 1278 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 2: people in his family. I don't remember exactly who. He's 1279 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 2: a lot of connections there. Yeah, Bobby what's incredible and 1280 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 2: Jim Melendez had not so good of a season, but 1281 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 2: he is a pet. Kay still hits the ball really 1282 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 2: hard and has a lot of potential. 1283 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 3: Past that. They started Nicky Lopez at first base? What 1284 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 3: on Sunday? He's what five eight? 1285 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: He's also like one of the best defensive middle and 1286 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: fielders in baseball. 1287 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 2: Doesn't make sense to put in at first base. They 1288 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 2: didn't care, follows me on Twitter. Nice guy, there you go. 1289 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 2: They didn't care. So yeah, I'm not gonna tell you guy. 1290 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 2: His team is very good, but they're not their cool. 1291 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: Thing is like in the bullpen, they have some guys 1292 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: to throw a little hard, and they do have John's 1293 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: favorite left handed opener, Ryan yardbro shoved today of. 1294 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 2: Course, miss Yarborough, sorry for John. Carlos Hernandez also going 1295 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 2: to be the reliever. 1296 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 3: I shout out. 1297 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 2: He is, uh probably some of the most electric stuff 1298 00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 2: and be texted you about him. 1299 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 3: I think like last year and then the Baseball Classic. 1300 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 3: I was like, this dude. 1301 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 2: Because he because I was really hot on him a 1302 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 2: few years ago because he came into their rotation where 1303 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 2: they just had an opportunity. It's a good park to pitch, 1304 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 2: so deep Fantasy Baseball League're like, given the guy throw 1305 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 2: one hundred miles now looked really bad. He's kind of 1306 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 2: changed the shape on his fastball a little bit, which 1307 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 2: is a really hard thing to do, really weird to 1308 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 2: do that. And he has a good slider. Really looked 1309 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 2: incredible in the World Baseball Classic. And he's had not 1310 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 2: a good year results wise this year in the bullpen, 1311 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 2: but his stuff is off the charge amazing. He's a 1312 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 2: guy who like maybe someone can just can trick the 1313 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 2: Royals into trade into trading him because the three six 1314 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 2: ra maybe the Roles will be like, oh, yeah, he's 1315 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 2: not really that good, but he's really. 1316 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 3: Good, very good. 1317 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 2: You're gonna see him thrown in and you're gonna be like, 1318 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 2: whoa Carls Fernandez. So that's you gotta watch this series. Yeah, 1319 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 2: I mean sweep, let's sweep them. 1320 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, start playing some good baseball. Sweep, let's loose, let's 1321 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 4: get's go walk. That's went fourteen to nine in the 1322 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 4: month of July. Solid month months not over, don't they 1323 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 4: ofto are Yeah? Yeah, a month month over? Yeah, fourteen 1324 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 4: nine the month of July. Keep playing good baseball, keep 1325 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 4: putting some games. We'll worry about what we have to 1326 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 4: worry about. If it gets to that time. 1327 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:54,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows. 1328 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,879 Speaker 2: Maybe there'll be more stuff to break down and talk 1329 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 2: to you guys next on Thursday. 1330 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but otherwise, guys, that is it for this episode 1331 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: of The Mess Up Podcast. Big shout to Dylan on 1332 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: the camera for us this episode. He appreciate you helping 1333 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: us out. 1334 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,760 Speaker 3: I think we've ever shouted out Brian once. 1335 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,760 Speaker 5: When he was sleeping when he was thinking, Dylan, Dylan's 1336 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,840 Speaker 5: getting ready for Oyals Yankees. He's got he's got his 1337 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,319 Speaker 5: gunners at home. 1338 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 3: He's ready to go. 1339 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, pig shout to Dylan. Thank you guys for listening. 1340 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for watching this episode the mets Up Podcast. 1341 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,879 Speaker 1: Make sure you follow us on all our social media 1342 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 1: at mets up on TikTok, Instagram, and Twitter. 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