WEBVTT - Bonus: An interview with California Gov. Gavin Newsom 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.239 Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic, and welcome to Next Question. 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:06.560 These past couple of weeks, I've been working on a 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.840 video series with Time Magazine that shines a light on 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:14.200 the heroes and newsmakers of this COVID moment, and today, 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.920 on a special bonus episode, I'd like to share one 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:20.560 of those conversations, an interview I had earlier this week 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:25.000 with California Governor Gavin Newsom. This is the dialectic of 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.440 our time, and there's a lot of white water, a 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.560 lot of friction that's going to happen in the next 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.720 few months. It's been difficult today, but the next few 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.000 months and years are going to be challenging. Governor Newsome 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.280 has been praised for his proactive leadership and swift response 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.800 to the coronavirus crisis. California had the first recorded death 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.440 of COVID nineteen weeks before any other state. Yet California 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:54.520 has managed to avoid the catastrophic spread we've seen in 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.760 other places. Governor Newsom gives us a sense of where 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.560 he thinks California and all of us are headed, but 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.480 first to understand what guided his initial response. We started 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.920 our conversation in the early days of the pandemic. I 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.319 think for us early on was as early as middle January, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.200 we started the first phone calls back and forth with 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.000 the CDC and h S s UH to begin the 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.199 process of making a determination whether or not we would 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:27.800 support the repatriation flights UH six flights from mainland China 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.720 American citizens and bring them to our Air Force BASS 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.280 in the state of California. It really brought to the 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.319 four what this pandemic was, what it wasn't, and really 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.760 focused our attention and acuity. And then, of course the 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.160 Grand Princess cruise Line. A few weeks later, we were 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.080 faced with the decision what to do with the San 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:49.920 Francisco based cruise line UH that had dozens of passengers 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.440 and crew that had tested positive, and that really brought 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.640 the whole issue to our shores even sooner than any 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:01.280 other states. So there was a consciousness, a seriousness of focus, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.400 and that led to Mayor Breed and other Bay Area 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.440 leaders to move forward first with stay at home orders 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.760 and allowed me the confidence to roll out statewide with 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:17.080 their concurrence in their direction, the first statewide stay at 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:22.760 home order. You were really guided by both science and technology, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.200 weren't you. Yeah, we had the benefit. I mean, look, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.800 you're you're one of the most resourced states in the world, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:34.120 the fifth largest economy in the world, forty million Californians strong, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.280 but also approximate to Silicon Valley and some of the 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.600 greatest tools of technology and innovation in the world. That 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.040 we love to say about the region, the future happens 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.080 there first. And so as a consequence, so many people 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.600 came uh to the four that we're already working in China, 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.160 that already had partnerships in China that were already attuned 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.680 to the seriousness of this, that we're tracking movement, tracking 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.440 the disease, and we were able to procure a number 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:03.160 of those tools of technology early on that really created 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.920 transparency and a dashboard about the spread of this virus 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.520 and the capacity to deliver on our promotion of a 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.480 stay at home order and whether or not people are 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:17.040 actually abiding by it. Do you worry about privacy? Obviously, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:22.200 you're monitoring people's movements through technology, gaining a greater understanding 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.560 of pooh staying put? Who isn't. Do you feel people 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.760 are willing to give up their privacy in order to 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:33.679 make sure that the community stays healthy. Yeah, we want 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.080 them to make that decision. We don't make that decision 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.760 for them, and we went so far. Is not just 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.160 to say that rhetorically, California leads the nation in terms 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.000 of our efforts the focus on online privacy. We have 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.840 one of the most progressive bills in the United States 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.760 we passed last year in terms of obligations of these 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.400 tech companies to make information public. So we brought in 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:01.480 two Obama expats that the head of their Digital innovation 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.040 and their ct O A raj A. Batel and and 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.680 and brought in Todd Park to help guide our privacy efforts. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.880 They're part of our technical team. And so there's a 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.640 privacy first framework. So all the data we're using is 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.600 either open sourced or its public health data that has 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:23.599 been traditionally provided in animalized ways UH in aggregate ways 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:28.240 where no privacy UH concerns or considerations are at play. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.359 You've announced the stages of your reopening plan. I'm just 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.360 gonna synthesize them for folks. Stage one is stay at 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.000 home flatten the curve. Stage two, lifting restrictions on lower 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:44.080 risk workplaces such as retail manufacturing and offices where telework 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.960 are working from home, is impossible. Also, child care centers 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:54.560 stage three months away. You say personal care businesses like gems, spas, salons, 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:59.840 sports without live audiences in person, religious services, and other 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.040 businesses where workers come in close contact with each other. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.240 And stage four would be the end of stay at 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.839 home orders and the highest risk parts of the economy 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:14.200 like concert sporting events with live audiences and conventions could 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.200 re emerge. So I know you haven't put a time frame, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:23.360 Governor Newsom on this reopening plants and the various stages 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.599 and when they will all happen, But any idea when 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.279 you might be able to actually go to stage four 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:35.600 where things would get relatively back to normal. I mean 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.080 stage four is a therapeutic stage. Stage four is an 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:44.080 immunity stage. Phase four is a vaccine stage. Uh, and 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.560 that likely won't happen anytime soon. That's what we say, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.920 months many many months in stage four. I think that's realistic. Look, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.480 we don't. We don't play around with dates and deadlines 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.960 for one reason. Uh. Their arbitrary, not based on anything 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.200 except instinct. We are prone uh if we do that 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.000 to make decisions that aren't based on fact, on data, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.680 on real science. So when I say weeks I I 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.880 hope it's weeks, uh, and based upon our current trend lines, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.520 we believe it is weeks for phase one and our 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.640 modifications are staying home order. We do believe it's a 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.000 month or months for those subsequent phases, but that's really 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.560 a determination of where the virus spread is in our 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.960 capacity to deal with an increase in spread, our hospitals 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.200 and their ability to deal with searge, our ability to 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.080 trace and track individuals and isolate people, not just to 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.640 test them at the scale of testing that's required. What 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.080 are you most concerned about, Governor, as California and other 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.200 states for that matter, emerge from this. I think my 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.520 biggest fear is fatigue. My biggest fear is we run 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.240 the ninety r dash. My biggest fear is all the 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.279 progress that's been made over the course of the last 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.240 you know, ninety days, particularly in the state of California 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.200 that really started in on this in late January, can 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.480 be thrown out in the matter of of weeks. Uh. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.200 My biggest fear is that we think this virus is 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.280 taking weekends off so we can take the weekend at 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.360 the beach. My biggest fear, as we think, all right, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.080 just because it's getting warm, it's going to take the 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.840 summer off and go on spring break. My biggest fear, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.360 UH is that we have people that are asymptomatic that 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.000 come home to mom and dad and grandpa, and people 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.880 would compromise immune system only to find out that they're 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.440 in the ICU uh seven eight days later. So I'm 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.400 fearful of all of those things. That's why I'm sober 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.320 about this. I want to get back to work, and 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:40.480 I started in the private sector. I've created twenty plus businesses, restaurants, hotels, wineries. Deeply, 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.040 I'm connected uh to the stress and anxiety are small 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.720 business men and women have and people that desperately need 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.400 to go back to work. At the same time, we 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.480 gotta keep people healthy, and the best way to go 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.800 back to work is to tamin this to suppress the 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:58.160 spread uh, And that's why we are fixated on that 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:03.960 being our indicator for decision, not arbitrary timelines. Governor knewso 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:08.240 l A has instituted some pretty strict measures, especially regarding beaches, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:12.040 but other counties like Orange County, in Ventura County, They're 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.840 beaches last weekend look like Fort Lauderdale during spring break. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.840 I know you chastise those people, but is there more 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.320 that you can do to make sure that people actually 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:26.640 pay attention and follow the guidelines. In Orange County, they 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.360 have the fourth highest of all fifty eight counties in 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:34.000 the state, fourth highest rate of hospitalizations l a San 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.000 Diego that have done an amazing job of managing their beaches. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.760 About a hundred large beaches in California, there were five 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.400 that were any problem. Overwhelming majority of jurisdictions did a 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.720 magnificent job in What about the ones that aren't. Yeah, 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.760 they're the ones that that didn't are unfortunate. And Saturday 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.640 you saw big spikes. Sunday, Uh, it was mitigated a bit. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.959 And I can assure you I'm not waiting for this weekend. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.480 Then we'll be making an announcement and very short order 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.800 about efforts to curb the crowds coming into this weekend 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:13.320 and potentially even next On Thursday, Governor Newsom announced that 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.800 California will close state and local beaches only in Orange County, 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.480 that's one of the top counties in the state for 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:26.439 coronavirus cases and hospitalizations. He assured Californians, however, that this 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.600 was a temporary measure. We can reopen very very quickly. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.880 But we gotta we gotta make sure we can get 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.600 this right. Um, why undo all the great progress. Let's 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:43.719 let's move this state forward together. We'll be back with 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:57.600 more from Governor Gavin Newsom in just a moment. We're 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:02.320 back with California Governor Gavin news Them. This has been 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.920 financially devastating for everyone, including your state, and you have 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.439 to have a balanced budget, Governor, And something's got to give. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.199 Spending cuts, tax increases, the impact on schools, on so 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.160 many different social services. So what will California look like 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:25.599 in one given the traumatic experience of of this pandemic. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.240 This time last year, Katie, we were debating how to 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.760 balance our budget with a twenty one point four billion 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.880 dollars surplus. This time last year, a twenty one point 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:43.720 four billion dollars operating surplus. I announced in January my 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.600 expectation for the next fiscal year that surplus would be 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.839 roughly six billion. That was eight or so weeks ago. 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.080 We are going to be announcing on Monday tens of 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.280 billions of dollars in deficit, just like that. The magnitude 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:03.040 of this is jaw dropping, and it's much worse than respectfully. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.679 I think people think because every time new numbers come 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.480 out jobless numbers that's lagging. We have three point seven 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:13.400 million Californians that had filed for unemployment insurance just since 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:18.880 March twelfth, just since March twelfth, not January twelve, March twelve. 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.720 We have to put this in perspective, and that's why 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.960 I understand boy to understand the economic desire to start reopening. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.880 And that's the give and take, that's the struggle. This 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.640 is the dialectic of our time, and there's a lot 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:33.800 of white water, a lot of friction that's going to 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.040 happen in the next few months. It's been difficult to day, 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.880 but the next few months and years are going to 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:44.160 be challenging. So the answer to that question, California is 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.920 not going to be very pretty. It's gonna be more chill. Look, 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:52.360 I'm I think this state because of its size, its scope, 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.040 because the diversity of within the economy, the fact that 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.360 we were running twenty billion dollar surplus a couple of 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.520 years ago, that we have historic reserves we had forgiving, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.640 but we had our bond writing increased twice last year. 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.000 Our borrowing capacity is better than most states uh. And 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.920 we have remarkable leaders in this state that continue to 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.240 thrive despite this pandemic, particularly the tech community and elsewhere. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.160 We may do better than most, but the magnitude of 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.720 these deficits is extraordinary. And my biggest fear is this 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.120 we better learn the lesson from twenty oh a, meaning 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.400 so many people haven't even recovered from the Great Recession, 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.360 low income workers, where their wages have been flat, and 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.199 they're the most vulnerable in this pandemic. And so we 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.120 really have to be I think, much more aggressive in 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.160 addressing economic justice and addressing the framework of social justice 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.720 as our number one priority. Let us not make the 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:52.200 mistakes we made of the bailouts the last time, not 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.439 getting down to real people in diverse communities. That's our 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:59.280 principal obligations. Meanwhile, it doesn't sound as if Mitch McConnell 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.400 is going to be much help. He doesn't want the 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.040 federal government to help the state or local level, and 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.080 he in fact has said it's the state's fault for 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:13.120 mismanaging money. I know you've said that his his position 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.959 is offensive. But without federal help, how are you going 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.280 to manage to balance your budget? How are you going 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.920 to manage to serve the people of California. You can 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.480 imagine since he's been Republican leader, every year the deficits 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:31.120 have gotten bigger under his watch. How galling that comment 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.960 is to a state like California, where are surpluses got 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:39.000 bigger as his deficits got bigger in terms of mismanagement, 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.760 and particularly a state that historically has been a huge 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.760 donor state. UH, to other red states, it is galling, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.800 and I think many governors have made that point, and 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.920 so we have to balance our budgets. They don't. But 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.840 we're Americans. Forty million Americans live in the state of California. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.640 It's not a blue state. It's in America states part 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.000 of the Union. Twenty six of our fifty AC counties 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.880 went for Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell's party in the 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.679 last election. Uh. They matter to UH, and so I 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.240 hope they disabuse themselves of this notion, UH that we 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.640 are all on our own when we're many parts but 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.560 one body. It's the United States of America, and when 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.960 one part suffers, we all suffer. That's the spirit of 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.960 the Commonwealth, that's the spirit of our founding fathers. I 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.280 think it would be nice if Mitch McConnell others would 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.280 read a little bit about our own history. The best 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.680 and better angels that define the best of the American spirit, 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.040 and it's this notion that we're all in this together. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.880 There's no leak on your side of our boat. We 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:44.000 need the federal government's help and support. How do you 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:48.720 think President Trump has handled this crisis overall? I am 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.960 gonna leave that more independent minds were in the middle 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.160 of this pandemic, and I'm trying every single day to 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:58.040 save lives. I can only say this, and I know people, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.040 depending on their political stripes, can get offended by it. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.760 I'm well aware of it. I'm by the way, involved 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.400 in sixty eight lawsuits for the Trump administration. So there 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.200 is you know, we talk about California, the friction between 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.720 the administration and the state second to no other state. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.840 But the interactions we've had directly with the administration, because 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.160 they think they go back to January, Uh, the level 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:23.480 of engagement has been relatively favorable. I can't say that. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.120 It can't be said rather for many other states, but 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.680 it has been favorable for the state of California. So 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.400 I can only speak from that prison, from that perspective. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.280 Do you feel as if you have to mind your 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.640 p's and queues and not criticize the administration too much? 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.080 Governor less you incur the wrath of President Trump is 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.920 Governor Insley did in Washington State. Yeah, I mean there 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:46.880 probably is a little of that, But you know what, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.120 you also can't make up reasons to disagree in fingerpoint. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.600 I mean, I look, my my My decision every day 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.600 is not to wake up with my fist clenched. Uh, 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.000 it's to have my hands open, my heart open too, opportunity, 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.400 learning new ideas and support and we'll take support wherever 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.680 we can get it. And I called let me just 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.280 you know, forgive me, but give you. For instance, we've 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.200 had a lot of questions and the aggregate about testing supplies. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.080 So rather than complaining about it, which I could have done, 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.680 got a lot of attention gone on all the nightly shows. Um, 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.120 I made a phone call and I asked the President 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.320 directly answered the phone, here's what I need. And you know, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.640 next day quite literally arrived. And so that's that's the 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.520 specific experience. But again I deeply recognize that doesn't exist 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.360 in other parts of the country. Working together is one thing, 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.000 but now he's using you and one of his campaign 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.200 re election videos. How do you feel about that. I've 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.280 been It's I've been in this. I've been an elected 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.720 office for twenty plus years. Uh, I've seen plenty of things. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.640 Nothing surprises me. We're getting into an election season very shortly. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.400 I'm doing an event for Joe Biden. I have my candidate. Uh. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.640 We're in sixty eight lawsuits with the administration. Uh is 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.400 what it is. But again, one thing I'm not going 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.199 to do. My mother taught me this. I mean, as 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.560 always raised when you ask for something and someone does 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.719 something for you, to express appreciation and gratitude, and if 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.200 you don't, then you lose your character, lose a little 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.280 of your own veracity. Um. And I could play to that, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.760 I could play to the partisanship, But I got forty 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.560 million Californians, forty million Americans that deserved me to figure 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.840 out a way to do better and do more, to 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.440 get along and and engage in the spirit of collaboration 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:36.400 without focusing on everything just being politics. Have you endorsed 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.600 Joe Biden for president yet? Yeah. We have a big 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.040 event on the eighth of this month, so we are 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.760 very involved. And how do you feel about the way 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.960 candidate Vice President Biden has been responding to this pandemic? Governor? 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.639 What is he doing well? And should he be doing 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.240 anything differently? Because many people are saying they need to 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.200 see Joe Biden out there and more talking about this pandemic. 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.840 Do you agree. I'd love to see him there more. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.200 But the challenges we're out there almost ubiquitous. The wall 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.720 to wall governors, Uh, it's it's the nature of the moment. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.639 You would have thought governors didn't exist. A year ago. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.040 It was hard to get any governors to get any 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.800 attention to what they were doing in their states. And 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.439 the only thing we were talking about three months ago was, 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.280 you know, it was Cornaki on the big screen going 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.399 back and forth about every census track in every district, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.879 comparing elections in the primary. It's just the nature of 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.440 the eb and flow of these things. You can't criticize 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.120 or critique that coverage. Is just the nature of where 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.520 they we are in this pandemic. But we'll start to 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.080 see some focus and you'll see a lot more attention 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.600 on the vice president and that will be a healthy 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.399 thing very soon. Governors aren't fact getting a lot of 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:53.400 attention you and and Andrew Cuomo. I think or even 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.600 though you've been doing this for quite a while and 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.959 been in public service almost your entire adult lives seven, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:05.960 you seem to be the rising stars of the Democratic Party. Well, yeah, 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.560 I know. I I just got here as governor a 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.639 year or so ago, and certainly Andrew's been around a 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.080 long time and been a friend for years, back from 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.000 his a G days when I just become mayor of 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.960 San Francisco. So look, I think it's wonderful to see. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.439 And it's not just some of the bigger states, some 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.399 of these smaller states. The collaborative spirit. I'm in a 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:30.400 partnership with governors in four other states, in Colorado, Nevada, Oregon, 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.720 in Washington. It's the spirit of collaboration and cooperation. There's 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.280 an old saw that says, if you don't like the 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.760 whale the world looks when you're standing up, stand on 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.719 your head and go local. Some more markable things are 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.280 happening at the local level, the regional level, and at 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.760 the state level, and there's a spirit of collaboration that's 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.160 alive and well across jurisdictions that should give people confidence 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.639 in our future. Uh not just getting through this moment. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.400 But moreover, I hope we can extend that spirit into 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:02.000 environmental stewardship and economic and social justice, uh, into reimagining 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.560 a future that's brighter. And so I think this in 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.600 a perverse way, is really you know, strengthen our muscles 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.720 of collaboration. It's gonna pay real dividends into the future. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.919 I'm sure I won't be the first or last person 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.240 to ask you this, but I can't help it. Governor Newsome, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:24.119 would you are you thinking about running for president? I 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:28.960 mean absolutely, unequivocally, without hesitation. Forgive the long windedness not 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.920 uh just have not uh and haven'ts not just never 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.080 been in aspiration of mind. It's never been a focus. 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.280 I Uh, this is a This isn't a job I 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.359 always wanted. Government is a dream job. It's a nation 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.720 state of the state for and born more scientists, more researchers, 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.000 more engineers, more Nobel laureate It's more venture capital emanating 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.520 out of the state, the fifth largest economy and planet Earth. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.600 What a gift, what an absolute gift. We can make 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.160 California thrive to be a model for the nation. Uh. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.879 And what what an incredible opportunity. I just got here 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.080 a year ago and thinking about other things, Uh, would 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.720 not do justice to doing my job and in the 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.280 work ahead of us when we come back. For Governor Newsom, 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:16.679 the homeschooling struggle is real. How he's coping with four 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:29.720 kids underfoot? Now back to the final part of my 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:35.520 conversation with California Governor Gavin Newsom. You have four kids? 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.520 How are you guys doing with stay at home? That 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.679 is well, now you have the real answer to that 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:44.680 last question. Four kids, Katie, how are you handling this? 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:50.360 We need to reopen the schools immediately, please, We're desperate 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:56.879 right away. Uh. Look, it shapes It shapes everything my 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.159 my my good days and my more challenging days. It 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.200 is I'll tell you the one thing it does so boy, 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:10.240 it sharpens my appreciation for women, for mothers, uh, for caregivers, uh, 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:14.399 for the disproportionate amount of work women do in the 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:18.280 household that is now even made more visible. And I 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.959 think this Mother's Day bet will be the biggest Mother's 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:24.040 day in the history of mankind. How old are your 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:29.400 kids now? The youngest just just turned four. Uh. And 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:32.119 it still reminds me of the two's if you know 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.760 what I mean. Uh, And we have the oldest is 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:40.600 just ten and homeschooling. Oh my gosh. The teachers talk 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.639 about American heroes, nurses, doctors, and the teachers. It's hard. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.600 The kids just have remarkable inability to want to be 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:53.520 taught by their parents, but a remarkable capacity he taught 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.400 by our teachers. And so that's why I say, let's 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:00.919 safely and responsibly reopen these schools because we care. And 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.760 I know that's something you're thinking about, but there's a 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.840 lot that will go into that. And a lot of 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.400 folks are debating whether school should open this summer because 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.480 they have to make up for lost time, and that's 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:16.760 something you're looking into as well. Well. This learning loss 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.520 is real. It's real every summer. You know, that summer, believed, 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.920 particularly from a socio economic disproportionately impacts black and brown 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.160 communities and we've never addressed that in a meaningful way. 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.359 By the way, all of this has been exposed with 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:33.360 distance learning and WiFi capacity, the ability for a family 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.760 with many kids to have more than just even one tablet, 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:40.280 or have one tablet and own alone. Uh. And all 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.840 of that, of course has made more problematic as we 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.960 moved through this pandemic, and so we're talking about opening potentially. 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:51.040 I know summer schools upon us quickly, but we are 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.320 considering opening up the school year a little bit earlier, 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.320 late July early August, to see if we can make 0:23:58.400 --> 0:23:59.800 up for a little that gives us a little more 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.520