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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic, and welcome to Next Question.

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Speaker 1: These past couple of weeks, I've been working on a

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Speaker 1: video series with Time Magazine that shines a light on

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Speaker 1: the heroes and newsmakers of this COVID moment, and today,

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Speaker 1: on a special bonus episode, I'd like to share one

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Speaker 1: of those conversations, an interview I had earlier this week

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Speaker 1: with California Governor Gavin Newsom. This is the dialectic of

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Speaker 1: our time, and there's a lot of white water, a

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Speaker 1: lot of friction that's going to happen in the next

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Speaker 1: few months. It's been difficult today, but the next few

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Speaker 1: months and years are going to be challenging. Governor Newsome

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Speaker 1: has been praised for his proactive leadership and swift response

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Speaker 1: to the coronavirus crisis. California had the first recorded death

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Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen weeks before any other state. Yet California

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Speaker 1: has managed to avoid the catastrophic spread we've seen in

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Speaker 1: other places. Governor Newsom gives us a sense of where

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Speaker 1: he thinks California and all of us are headed, but

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Speaker 1: first to understand what guided his initial response. We started

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Speaker 1: our conversation in the early days of the pandemic. I

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Speaker 1: think for us early on was as early as middle January,

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Speaker 1: the CDC and h S s UH to begin the

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Speaker 1: process of making a determination whether or not we would

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Speaker 1: support the repatriation flights UH six flights from mainland China

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Speaker 1: in the state of California. It really brought to the

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Speaker 1: four what this pandemic was, what it wasn't, and really

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Speaker 1: focused our attention and acuity. And then, of course the

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Speaker 1: Grand Princess cruise Line. A few weeks later, we were

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Speaker 1: and crew that had tested positive, and that really brought

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Speaker 1: the whole issue to our shores even sooner than any

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Speaker 1: other states. So there was a consciousness, a seriousness of focus,

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Speaker 1: and that led to Mayor Breed and other Bay Area

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Speaker 1: and allowed me the confidence to roll out statewide with

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Speaker 1: their concurrence in their direction, the first statewide stay at

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Speaker 1: home order. You were really guided by both science and technology,

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Speaker 1: weren't you. Yeah, we had the benefit. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: you're you're one of the most resourced states in the world,

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Speaker 1: the fifth largest economy in the world, forty million Californians strong,

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Speaker 1: but also approximate to Silicon Valley and some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest tools of technology and innovation in the world. That

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Speaker 1: we love to say about the region, the future happens

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Speaker 1: there first. And so as a consequence, so many people

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Speaker 1: to the seriousness of this, that we're tracking movement, tracking

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Speaker 1: of those tools of technology early on that really created

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Speaker 1: and the capacity to deliver on our promotion of a

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Speaker 1: stay at home order and whether or not people are

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Speaker 1: actually abiding by it. Do you worry about privacy? Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you're monitoring people's movements through technology, gaining a greater understanding

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Speaker 1: of pooh staying put? Who isn't. Do you feel people

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Speaker 1: make sure that the community stays healthy. Yeah, we want

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Speaker 1: them to make that decision. We don't make that decision

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Speaker 1: for them, and we went so far. Is not just

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Speaker 1: to say that rhetorically, California leads the nation in terms

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Speaker 1: of our efforts the focus on online privacy. We have

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Speaker 1: one of the most progressive bills in the United States

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Speaker 1: tech companies to make information public. So we brought in

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Speaker 1: They're part of our technical team. And so there's a

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Speaker 1: privacy first framework. So all the data we're using is

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Speaker 1: either open sourced or its public health data that has

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Speaker 1: You've announced the stages of your reopening plan. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna synthesize them for folks. Stage one is stay at

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Speaker 1: stage three months away. You say personal care businesses like gems, spas, salons,

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Speaker 1: And stage four would be the end of stay at

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Speaker 1: stage four is a therapeutic stage. Stage four is an

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Speaker 1: immunity stage. Phase four is a vaccine stage. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: that likely won't happen anytime soon. That's what we say,

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Speaker 1: months many many months in stage four. I think that's realistic. Look,

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Speaker 1: we don't. We don't play around with dates and deadlines

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Speaker 1: on real science. So when I say weeks I I

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Speaker 1: hope it's weeks, uh, and based upon our current trend lines,

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Speaker 1: a determination of where the virus spread is in our

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Speaker 1: test them at the scale of testing that's required. What

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Speaker 1: are you most concerned about, Governor, as California and other

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Speaker 1: biggest fear is fatigue. My biggest fear is we run

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Speaker 1: you know, ninety days, particularly in the state of California

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Speaker 1: My biggest fear is that we think this virus is

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Speaker 1: fearful of all of those things. That's why I'm sober

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Speaker 1: I started in the private sector. I've created twenty plus businesses, restaurants, hotels, wineries. Deeply,

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Speaker 1: but other counties like Orange County, in Ventura County, They're

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Speaker 1: I know you chastise those people, but is there more

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Speaker 1: About a hundred large beaches in California, there were five

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Speaker 1: And I can assure you I'm not waiting for this weekend.

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Speaker 1: California will close state and local beaches only in Orange County,

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Speaker 1: coronavirus cases and hospitalizations. He assured Californians, however, that this

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Speaker 1: But we gotta we gotta make sure we can get

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Speaker 1: this right. Um, why undo all the great progress. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's move this state forward together. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: more from Governor Gavin Newsom in just a moment. We're

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Speaker 1: financially devastating for everyone, including your state, and you have

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Speaker 1: to have a balanced budget, Governor, And something's got to give.

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Speaker 1: Spending cuts, tax increases, the impact on schools, on so

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Speaker 1: many different social services. So what will California look like

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Speaker 1: This time last year, Katie, we were debating how to

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Speaker 1: not going to be very pretty. It's gonna be more chill. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm I think this state because of its size, its scope,

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Speaker 1: we have remarkable leaders in this state that continue to

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Speaker 1: we better learn the lesson from twenty oh a, meaning

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Speaker 1: so many people haven't even recovered from the Great Recession,

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Speaker 1: low income workers, where their wages have been flat, and

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Speaker 1: addressing economic justice and addressing the framework of social justice

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Speaker 1: as our number one priority. Let us not make the

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Speaker 1: getting down to real people in diverse communities. That's our

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Speaker 1: mismanaging money. I know you've said that his his position

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Speaker 1: is offensive. But without federal help, how are you going

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