Speaker 1: On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start
Speaker 1: changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello, and welcome to
Speaker 1: the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Durante, my name
Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftus, and weird book smart. The two of
Speaker 1: us were really smart at books. See. I was struggling
Speaker 1: to think of a way to start this episode as well,
Speaker 1: and that was probably exactly what I would have said. Okay,
Speaker 1: well and we know to read and we're and we
Speaker 1: also a master's degree for crying out. Yeah. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys read a lot to do that. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think I would have really. I'm like, did I
Speaker 1: read in college really at all? And I just like
Speaker 1: really went deep into debt and got very depressed. You
Speaker 1: don't need to read to know how to do that. Anyways,
Speaker 1: Today's episode is it was brought to you by reading. Um.
Speaker 1: So this is the Bechtel Cast. If you're a new listener,
Speaker 1: this is our podcast where we talk about the way
Speaker 1: that women are portrayed in popular movies. UM. We use
Speaker 1: the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point for discussion.
Speaker 1: But what is the Becktel test? What I mean? I
Speaker 1: need someone with a master's degree to tell me, and
Speaker 1: dogshit to tell you that. The Bechdel test is a
Speaker 1: media test developed by cartoonist Alison Bechtel that requires that,
Speaker 1: let's say a movie that you're looking at has two
Speaker 1: named female identifying characters. They must be in the movie together.
Speaker 1: They must speak to each other, and their conversation cannot
Speaker 1: be about a man. Yes, you think it would be
Speaker 1: not that hard, but a lot of movies don't do it.
Speaker 1: Let me do a quick example. Yes, okay, Hey Caitlin,
Speaker 1: what's up, Jamie? I am still so like struck by
Speaker 1: the anime? Did knockoff of Titanic? We watched last night?
Speaker 1: Me too, the Legend of Titanic. I had never heard
Speaker 1: of it. We watched it. There's a giant octopus, but
Speaker 1: it's going to have identifying octopus. But his name is Tentacles,
Speaker 1: and he holds the Titanic together and everyone when the
Speaker 1: Titanic lives, it's we have to do a bonus episode
Speaker 1: on It's at least as good as Book Smart. It's
Speaker 1: at least it's not a little better. We watched it
Speaker 1: right after we double featured Book in the Legend of
Speaker 1: Titanic and Book Smart, for all of its merits, does
Speaker 1: not have a gigantic octopus that rescues people. And that's
Speaker 1: one of its fatal flaws, and that's really what the
Speaker 1: discourse has been focused around. Well, that conversation came close
Speaker 1: to passing the backtal disks until I brought up the octopus.
Speaker 1: I mean, and the octopus is really phallic too. It's
Speaker 1: like a baby doghead with eight dicks just shooting out
Speaker 1: of it. It's so strong and throbby, it's gross. I
Speaker 1: think you should let's bring move away from this conversation
Speaker 1: and introduce our guest. How do I follow that? I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry about impossible. Like to follow. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do a great job because I have two arms. I
Speaker 1: think I'm already failing the voice you just heard. She's
Speaker 1: an amazing human. She's an actor and you might know
Speaker 1: her from such movies as a Little Princess, Jurassic Park,
Speaker 1: Lost World, and Harriet the Spy. It's Vanessa Chester. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me, Thank you for saying I'm an
Speaker 1: amusing amazing human being, Like where I just have a
Speaker 1: feeling she's strong into it. Let's check back in with
Speaker 1: that at the end of the and you still feel
Speaker 1: and then if not, I mean, we can always blame
Speaker 1: it on a friend of the show, Miles Gray, because
Speaker 1: he brought you into our Oh my gosh, we can
Speaker 1: always take him out of this world. We're talking about
Speaker 1: book Smart. We're talking about book Smart, a new release. Yes,
Speaker 1: popular listener request, and yeah, I'm just like to talk
Speaker 1: about it. So, Vanessa, what did you think of the movie?
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Like I saw a preview and
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to see this. Like I
Speaker 1: kind of was that girl in high school who like
Speaker 1: studied a lot and got great grades. And I mean
Speaker 1: I partied still, but like I could have partied far more.
Speaker 1: I can't go back and do that, and I made
Speaker 1: up for in college. Um. I felt like the casting
Speaker 1: was brilliant, Like I liked every single character. I like
Speaker 1: the personalities, like they all had such great chemistry. That
Speaker 1: and also I feel like at the beginning it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know these people. I know who this person was
Speaker 1: in high school. And by the end you were like, oh,
Speaker 1: everyone's a blooming onion. We have many layers, Like we
Speaker 1: all realized that, but it also makes you kind to
Speaker 1: think of like that person in high school that you
Speaker 1: may have judged that you now see on Facebook and
Speaker 1: you're like, whoa, or like, what did I hear that
Speaker 1: I just accepted to be them? You know, we all
Speaker 1: had that. Yeah, a lot of traumatic high school the
Speaker 1: projects coming out at the moment. There were so many
Speaker 1: specific characters that you're like, oh, I would have pre
Speaker 1: judged that person in high school for sure, or like
Speaker 1: I was that or I hung out with them, or
Speaker 1: I like I defended that person. Yeah, my best friend
Speaker 1: growing up was a Jared. Oh really Yeah, Peter was
Speaker 1: a bit of a Jared, but without all the money.
Speaker 1: So it was just sweet. I was so sweet. I
Speaker 1: was very much like the gals Amy and Molly were like,
Speaker 1: I didn't party at all in high school. I was
Speaker 1: like really cared about my grades and like studying and
Speaker 1: if you're listening to the show for the first time,
Speaker 1: Cale and I historically canonically suck very boring in Lane.
Speaker 1: We are very I'm like trying to think. I'm like
Speaker 1: I was really good because I was afraid of my
Speaker 1: mom and I knew, like, but then it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where like, I'm not necessarily lazy, but
Speaker 1: the lazy aspect of my personality really shined through to
Speaker 1: find efficiency and things. And so I was that person
Speaker 1: who was like, if I pay attention in this fifty
Speaker 1: minute period and take bomb notes, I won't have to
Speaker 1: fucking study and I'll pass all the tests, like and
Speaker 1: that was basically the way I got through college too.
Speaker 1: I've got a photographic memory. Just look right, draw like,
Speaker 1: ask all the questions and be done. And then the
Speaker 1: minute I got into college, I was like, I just
Speaker 1: ditched for like half of senior. Yeah. By the time
Speaker 1: I was in college, I discovered Vladimir vodka and it
Speaker 1: was off advance. We did MR. We had Mr Boston
Speaker 1: from vodka. You could get it in gallon size and
Speaker 1: make it last. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The fake idea at
Speaker 1: Food for Last when I was like, pop off on
Speaker 1: me and everyone's but that's basically killing half of us,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's chill. It's chill, guys, Like
Speaker 1: food Food for Less is the only place that accepts
Speaker 1: this idea, like three and it says I'm five eight,
Speaker 1: So do it, okay, guys, do you want Jungle Juice
Speaker 1: or not? Right, Um, let's just dive into the recap.
Speaker 1: No one has much of a history. I've seen it
Speaker 1: three times now. I was a little I mean, it
Speaker 1: was it was weird. I I just saw this movie.
Speaker 1: There the like discussion around this movie was kind of
Speaker 1: bizarre when it came out of like it underperformed at
Speaker 1: the box office and the reasons people thought that was
Speaker 1: sort of all over the place, and it was just
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of like interesting, weird discussion
Speaker 1: around this movie when it came out to the point
Speaker 1: where I was, I was like, I don't know when
Speaker 1: when Twitter discussions get so in the weeds, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm tired, and I'm less likely to see the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm exhausted just from eating these reviews. I don't
Speaker 1: even know I had the capacity to watch the actual movie.
Speaker 1: You review too many takes, Like there were so many
Speaker 1: takes on this movie, too many takes. But I mean,
Speaker 1: like Twitter, Twitter takes are just like they're exhausting. So
Speaker 1: I was almost like put off from seeing this movie,
Speaker 1: which I realized now it was not fair because I
Speaker 1: quite enjoyed it. Likewise, I'll tell the story of the
Speaker 1: movie the story of the book. So it's the last
Speaker 1: day of high school for Amy and Molly beaniefeldsnin Caitlyn.
Speaker 1: For Caitlyn who my favorite fun fact about her is
Speaker 1: that her dad was the voice of Barney Stop right.
Speaker 1: I would I would just have a shirt that said
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't have to like find a way to
Speaker 1: get it in the conversation. It's incredible that I had
Speaker 1: to seek that information out. Why isn't she just talking
Speaker 1: about people, don't promote this movie you're in. Your father
Speaker 1: is a bar Need the Dinosaur anyways, So that's all
Speaker 1: I know. They are best friends and they are too
Speaker 1: like overachiever, goody two shoots types like funny, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like not other weatherspoon an election. Yeah, they're like
Speaker 1: what we wanted, Like, oh, you have a personality, but
Speaker 1: you're smart. Yeah, like type A but not like they
Speaker 1: have terment each other, but like not with other people
Speaker 1: outside of their duo. And because they want to just
Speaker 1: study hard so they could get into good colleges. And
Speaker 1: then we meet some of their classmates. There's Nick, who
Speaker 1: is the VP of the class because Molly is the
Speaker 1: class president. There's like THEO and Tanner. They're like these
Speaker 1: like to burnout guys. There's this girl that they call
Speaker 1: triple a. Uh. There is this girl Ryan who Amy
Speaker 1: has a crush on. Uh skater out with the curly hair. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And then there's Jared who's this like rich try hard
Speaker 1: kid and his rich friend Gigi, who is played by
Speaker 1: Harry Fisher's daughter Billy Lord. Yeah. I was imed being
Speaker 1: everyone today. I loved her. She was Nick is Kuba
Speaker 1: Gooding Junior's son. Fun. I didn't know that having famous
Speaker 1: parents gets you into movies. It's maybe be so good
Speaker 1: that I don't even I can't even be mad about it.
Speaker 1: So we meet all these classmates of their's and then
Speaker 1: Amy and Molly find out that Nick is having a
Speaker 1: party at his aunt's house that night. Then Molly overhears
Speaker 1: some of her classmates talking about her and like saying
Speaker 1: that she's not fun, that she loves school too much,
Speaker 1: and that she has a butter personality. Funny joke. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that one hurts far far more. His
Speaker 1: school students are just even though this is like a
Speaker 1: writer like our mean cutting Yeah. And then Molly finds
Speaker 1: out that all of these classmates who she thinks are
Speaker 1: like idiot burnouts and who like partied a lot and
Speaker 1: had fun, also got into the good colleges. So she
Speaker 1: has like a connection like you know what, Amy, we
Speaker 1: got to go to next party. We got to prove
Speaker 1: to these people that we can be fun too, and
Speaker 1: that we you know, we don't want to have missed
Speaker 1: out on like fun high school party experience. This is like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's such Catharsis for students who were
Speaker 1: like that, because that student almost never actually goes to
Speaker 1: the party on the last day, Like I definitely never.
Speaker 1: I just went to the afternoon barbecues when people graduated,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'd like a cheeseburger and then
Speaker 1: I'd leave by four pm. I was. I was feeling
Speaker 1: it for them. It was like, yeah, you go to
Speaker 1: a party or you regret it for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, I was. So then they get ready
Speaker 1: for the party, but they don't know the address to
Speaker 1: nix Aunce House and no one is answering their calls.
Speaker 1: So then Molly's like, oh, I'll try Jared the like
Speaker 1: try hard rich kids icon Jared, who is listening to
Speaker 1: a Cheraldzoonberg on tape Lean and listen. Corporate feminism a
Speaker 1: little bit misguided. But you know he's seventeen years old.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He's making an effort in friend so to
Speaker 1: call him and he comes to pick them up, assuming
Speaker 1: that he knows where the party is, and he takes
Speaker 1: them to a party. But it's not the Twilight Zone, sick.
Speaker 1: It's like his lonely boat party. But like, what would
Speaker 1: you do for one of those Jared T shirts? I right,
Speaker 1: I hope they're selling that. I would like one. That
Speaker 1: Jared party made me so sad, Like if this were
Speaker 1: a darker movie, Jared would be like he would like
Speaker 1: kill someone, like he has infinite resources. I watch a
Speaker 1: lot of true crime and as to see that storyline happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a good thing he does have a
Speaker 1: heart of gold because this could have, like them failing
Speaker 1: on his party could have been their death sentence. The
Speaker 1: only other person there at his graduation party is Gi.
Speaker 1: She was just what a great character, so much fun
Speaker 1: she does appears, you never see her enter a room.
Speaker 1: I love this, Jaredy'll like, Molly, You're awesome. I like you.
Speaker 1: And she's like I gotta go. So she and Amy
Speaker 1: high tail it out of there. So Swan dives off
Speaker 1: of the boat. She does a lot of dives into water,
Speaker 1: like there's one that I was like, I hope that
Speaker 1: was a stunt double that one would like get hurt, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, she's not doing a movie for like
Speaker 1: a month after. I think that one hurt. Great. So
Speaker 1: Molly still wants to go to next party, but Amy's like,
Speaker 1: we just went to a party, we don't need to
Speaker 1: go to another. And then Molly calls Malala, which is
Speaker 1: like their code for hey friend, you gotta do whatever
Speaker 1: I want. Whatever I say, no questions, ask like full support.
Speaker 1: So Amy's like okay, and then they hear back from
Speaker 1: their classmate Alan with the address is one of the
Speaker 1: Drama kids. I love the Drama kids and George, my
Speaker 1: kids are incredible. Love them. So they call a lift
Speaker 1: and the driver is their principal, making you know, some
Speaker 1: commentary on you know how educators are not paid enough.
Speaker 1: This is like this there is like I like it
Speaker 1: every time, but there is a repeating motif in this
Speaker 1: movie where it's just like and they get in a
Speaker 1: car and a very famous comedian is driving the car
Speaker 1: like that happens like four different times. We're like, wait,
Speaker 1: Jason Sudegus, did Jessica Williams like my mama, micoh bro,
Speaker 1: it's everything. It's almost as if this was scripted, but
Speaker 1: it's fun like that those scenes are this movie and
Speaker 1: compared a lot to super Bad, which I don't think.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought after the car scenes are
Speaker 1: like when I got the strongest vibe when I thought
Speaker 1: the hater would dry. Yeah, well, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: the scene where they like end up this super Bad
Speaker 1: but like, oh, when mclovin tries to get the liquor
Speaker 1: that and it was like that one creepy dude who's like,
Speaker 1: you definitely have something in your basement. I don't want
Speaker 1: to know what. Yes, I don't, I forgot. I feel like,
Speaker 1: but that was what gave me that deja vu moment too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's I mean the comparisons. I mean, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me at all, Like it's just it's a I
Speaker 1: think it's worth discussing later on too. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think that Jared is like kind of a vastly
Speaker 1: improved mcloven type character. That makes sense because we like,
Speaker 1: learn about him. We know about him, mclovin. Where is he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where did he go? I don't know. So they're in
Speaker 1: the cab there in the lift. They watched some porn
Speaker 1: in the car, so that because Amy's all I I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do anything with girls, and Molly
Speaker 1: is my teacher. Here is they're pornal no no, And
Speaker 1: then they finally get to the party, except that this
Speaker 1: party is Alan and George's Murder Mystery Dinner Theater party.
Speaker 1: I mean, druma that in credible monologue. That wait, who
Speaker 1: is George? Who gives the monologue? This like my husband?
Speaker 1: That's that's Alan. That is so funny. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: you don't have to do it every single time, sighing.
Speaker 1: I was like, I hope someone else comes in and
Speaker 1: he does it again. I loved the codependent drama club friendship.
Speaker 1: That was that really resonated with me. So g is
Speaker 1: also somehow they're at this party and she's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you guys aren't feeling those drugs yet, because
Speaker 1: she had fed them drugged strawberries. Because it has to
Speaker 1: happen in this movie, it does, So they start tripping
Speaker 1: they hallucinate that their Barbie doll. That was weird things. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we'll talk about this scene. Yeah, this is like
Speaker 1: one of the things that was like like okay, O
Speaker 1: couldn't done without it. I don't know, but it felt
Speaker 1: wedged in. But anyway equals drug scene, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you gotta experiment if you go out. He's like
Speaker 1: so over it. They also get sober so quickly, which
Speaker 1: is that was my next note, Like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: anyone's dabbled, but that seemed like it was way too
Speaker 1: short of a time, Like they sat down at dinner
Speaker 1: and their trip was over. I was right. Yeah, They're
Speaker 1: like it's the next scene. We're sober, we have Barbie,
Speaker 1: so it's done now. So then they leave George's party.
Speaker 1: Amy's like, okay, we went to two parties. Let's go home,
Speaker 1: and Molly's like, no, I still want to go to
Speaker 1: Knick's party. And then we find out that it's because
Speaker 1: Molly has a crush on Nick, which announces from like
Speaker 1: the away girl. And then Amy's like okay, let's freaking
Speaker 1: go to Knick's party. But they still don't know the address.
Speaker 1: And then they do all this homework to figure it out.
Speaker 1: They see a video from the party where there's like
Speaker 1: this big stack of pizzas from Lido's Pizza. So they
Speaker 1: go there and try to like rob the piece of
Speaker 1: delivery guy. For Brian's like you could be killed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, don't trust people, but he gives him the address.
Speaker 1: Later revealed that he's a murderer. Ye. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean when he'd like described what could possibly happen, it's
Speaker 1: like you've done or he's done it. You've got ten
Speaker 1: thousand hours of experience and this and that's scary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've Malcolm Gladworld. This to a career hours of murder.
Speaker 1: But they still can't get to the party because Amy
Speaker 1: left her phone in his car and Molly's phone is
Speaker 1: almost dead from all the porn that they streamed. Molly
Speaker 1: makes a call with like her last bit of juice.
Speaker 1: She's like, come pick us up. And then who shows
Speaker 1: up but another famous Camie the in Jessica Williams. Their
Speaker 1: teachers their teacher, that's fine, and she takes them to
Speaker 1: Nick's party. There's a yeah, man, Jessica Williams deserved a
Speaker 1: better storyline. I'm like, what we could take a photo
Speaker 1: and add that to the Like Jessica is writing on
Speaker 1: her hand even though there is a notepad in front
Speaker 1: of I just look at something like super protective and like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's a really dope pen. Should I
Speaker 1: swipe it? What about karma? But notebooks, you know things
Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, I don't want to funk up
Speaker 1: someone's whole thing and like rip out a page and
Speaker 1: I'm like, my handworks, feel free to use the notepad.
Speaker 1: But this is kind of the thing. Now, we definitely
Speaker 1: are going to put it that on a conspiracy math
Speaker 1: just like this lead to this to this. It's gonna
Speaker 1: become like a huge meme of understanding book smart. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we'll get into the Jessica Williams character in general. Yeah,
Speaker 1: deserve better. So they get to the party. Finally everyone
Speaker 1: is there. Molly and Nick are flirting, Amy and Ryan
Speaker 1: are maybe flirting. Amy is still not really sure what's
Speaker 1: happening there or if Ryan even likes girls, and then
Speaker 1: Amy sees Ryan and Nick kissing, so she goes up
Speaker 1: to Molly and she's like, we have to go. We
Speaker 1: should go without telling Molly what she saw. So then
Speaker 1: they get in a fight, and Molly's like I have
Speaker 1: to do all the heavy lifting of our friendship and
Speaker 1: Amy's like, well, you're mean, and then Amy reveals. Amy
Speaker 1: reveals that she's taking a gap year and staying in
Speaker 1: Africa for the whole year. That's the super bad moment too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's another big super bad parallel. And that was one
Speaker 1: of the moments where I was just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone in teen movies are fucking rich as hell. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm taking a gap here like a good bank, Like
Speaker 1: I want to hear the kids like I didn't get
Speaker 1: a cal grant approved, you know, like something that's relatable,
Speaker 1: like I don't have health insurance. Yeah. Classic teen movie.
Speaker 1: So then they fight and they storm off, and Amy
Speaker 1: goes into the bathroom and Hope, another one of their classmates,
Speaker 1: is in there, and they have like sort of like
Speaker 1: this antagonistic back and forth and then Amy kisses her
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that, and then they start hooking up. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Jared and Molly are talking and like maybe vibing a
Speaker 1: little bit, I don't know, and then Amy cut back
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Amy accidentally fingers hopes butthole and then
Speaker 1: I mean and this is like this is also like
Speaker 1: major like jet Apatow movie vibes of like I accidentally
Speaker 1: fingered a button and then I barfed, Like just to
Speaker 1: be fair, she barbs because she drinks six cigarettes. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but barfing on someone at a party, which also happens
Speaker 1: in super Bad. Yeah, the super Bad comparisons are warranted
Speaker 1: in many ways, but there are also not in many ways,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it. Um. So Amy like rushes
Speaker 1: out of there, and then Molly finally sees Ryan and
Speaker 1: Nick kissing, so she's like, oh, that's why Amy, you know,
Speaker 1: wanted us to leave. She was trying to protect me.
Speaker 1: So she like goes to try to find Amy, but
Speaker 1: right then the cops show up to bust up the party,
Speaker 1: and Molly gets out. The girl that they called Triple
Speaker 1: A picks her up. Meanwhile, Amy, she's like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to create a diversion for the cops, and then we
Speaker 1: cut to the next morning we find out that she's
Speaker 1: been arrested. She's so many questions in jail, has a
Speaker 1: phone call, pane of glass a whole bit. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm just fine to suspend my disbelief on that you
Speaker 1: kind of have to, and then Molly goes to bail
Speaker 1: her out using the information that they have on the
Speaker 1: pizza delivery dude, who we find out is they wanted criminal.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and then graduation is about to happen. Everyone's
Speaker 1: waiting for them, and then they drive like crazy to
Speaker 1: get there. Molly gives her valedictorian speech, they graduate, Molly
Speaker 1: takes Amy to the airport and then they say goodbye
Speaker 1: and there's crying, but then they're like, hang on, we've
Speaker 1: got time to get pancakes, and like, yeah, let's get
Speaker 1: some fucking pancakes and smash to black at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting the pancake thing. I was like all
Speaker 1: in my feelings and my duvet crying, like I have
Speaker 1: best friends too, And then I was like pancakes, Like
Speaker 1: I love pancakes. Pot How many times have I, you know,
Speaker 1: gone to Denny's with a friend and eating pancakes once
Speaker 1: a week? Happens time and time again. Um, so that's
Speaker 1: the story. Let's take a quick break and then we
Speaker 1: will be right back. Hey, we're back. We're back. Um,
Speaker 1: so real quick. At the top, before we get into
Speaker 1: the characters, we've already alluded to. This movie has been
Speaker 1: compared a lot to super Bad, which what I like
Speaker 1: about this, Like, I understand totally why they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like super Bad, but like with girls female super Bad,
Speaker 1: which is which is definitely a little reductive. There are,
Speaker 1: as we already pointed out, a lot of like story
Speaker 1: points that are like that basically happens in super Bad.
Speaker 1: But it also you know, avoids a lot of like
Speaker 1: the kind of bad mid to late adds teen movie
Speaker 1: tropes that super Bad does. But I mean it's like
Speaker 1: Beanie Feldstina is literally Jonna Hill's little sister. I understand
Speaker 1: why the comparisons are being made. And she she had
Speaker 1: a quote she did a Hollywood Reporter interview. She said,
Speaker 1: book Smart does what super Bad did, which is celebrate
Speaker 1: a female friendship within a huge comedy. And it's really
Speaker 1: a relationship movie as much as it is an adventure
Speaker 1: high school comedy. And I was like, that was is
Speaker 1: a little weird because super Bad in no way celebrates
Speaker 1: female friendship. But does she mean just it celebrates friendship
Speaker 1: between two people between Yeah, just like a high school
Speaker 1: friendship between dorks, which is true. Yeah, I mean also
Speaker 1: both movies center around in the end of the year
Speaker 1: senior in high school party. But like you were saying,
Speaker 1: and that's like the big deception at the end of
Speaker 1: like I'm actually doing this, Yester. Yeah, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: now I want to sit down and like watch super
Speaker 1: Bad again, because like Book Smart is so like fresh,
Speaker 1: but I can. I mean, I own the super Bad DVD.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll watch this once a year because
Speaker 1: it's so funny, and then I stopped. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we think other movies came out, right, We did a
Speaker 1: Matreon bonus episode on on super Bad, so go back
Speaker 1: and listen if you're a Matron. But so much fun
Speaker 1: listening to you guys yesterday, like Blue Too through the
Speaker 1: Apartment just like creating up, Like holy sh it. They
Speaker 1: should have talked about the Clovers more like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's episode I watched. Bring it on you guys if
Speaker 1: you didn't want to listen to it, it's really great
Speaker 1: with a plague. One of the huge differences between super
Speaker 1: Bad and Book Smart is that the messaging put forth
Speaker 1: is like wildly different. Were like super Bad is like
Speaker 1: steeped in toxic masculinity and like the character's motivations for
Speaker 1: that movie is like they're trying to get alcohol to
Speaker 1: take to the party, to feed it to the girls
Speaker 1: who they like, so that they will have lowered inhibitions,
Speaker 1: so that they will have sex with the boys. All
Speaker 1: the things that people lie about doing today. They're like,
Speaker 1: this is the plot of the movie. Yeah, and like
Speaker 1: that it's like a funny, cute objective and it's like
Speaker 1: it's so weirdrifying, it's so like rooted in that like
Speaker 1: nerd entitlement trope that we come up a lot of,
Speaker 1: like and it's like in John Hughes movies all the time,
Speaker 1: but like the whole young man who has been sexually
Speaker 1: rejected a lot or like doesn't fit in, who then
Speaker 1: has to quote unquote resort to like physically abusing, lying
Speaker 1: to and tricking women. Yeah, it's like I've got to
Speaker 1: use sorcery in order to get what I want rather
Speaker 1: than just like be me right, you know, like spells, vodka,
Speaker 1: like lies, whatever, you know. Like thirty we have Mark
Speaker 1: Ruffalo being a warlock and using rushing dust. He has
Speaker 1: to do a whole complicated warlock some plot. But anyway, Yeah, so, um,
Speaker 1: are there similar story beats in both movies? Yes, are
Speaker 1: they totally similar shore, but there's fastest substance. What I
Speaker 1: think is like cool is like it's it's weird because
Speaker 1: I feel like any comparisons are sort of framed is
Speaker 1: like it's the same movie, which it isn't. And it's
Speaker 1: also just like I feel like indicates because it's been
Speaker 1: like twelve years I think since Superbad came out, and
Speaker 1: you know, like the world has shifted at least a little,
Speaker 1: and it's cool to see like kind of a similar framework.
Speaker 1: It almost feels like a science experiment, like can we
Speaker 1: make a better version of this general formula? And yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. And that's that on Superman. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with this movie. My hand
Speaker 1: is full, it is, the palm is ready. So I
Speaker 1: mean largely it is a movie celebrating female friendship. We
Speaker 1: don't get that in movies nearly enough. So that's and
Speaker 1: like cool complicated female friendships because there's sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like kind of Merry Sewish female friendships where it's like
Speaker 1: they get along all the time, they love each other
Speaker 1: and they respect each other, which is great, but it's
Speaker 1: like not really like they're exactly the same. That's why
Speaker 1: they make they get like women who are different don't
Speaker 1: get along. And it's like, no, they're They're not made
Speaker 1: from the same mold, which is why it's so beautiful
Speaker 1: that they are so obsessed with each other. That's how
Speaker 1: me and my friends are. We're so different, but we're same, same, same,
Speaker 1: not the same, you know, right, And it's like you see,
Speaker 1: I like that. You see them in conflict with each other.
Speaker 1: You see where they disagree on stuff. You can see
Speaker 1: like one thinking that the other is like acting kind
Speaker 1: of dome just like all this stuff that is actual friendships,
Speaker 1: like when they when they get dressed and are wearing
Speaker 1: the same things and are not upset about it. And
Speaker 1: I was like wow. Also, I was like, where do
Speaker 1: I find the jumpsuit because it's fanny Pack, Send me photo,
Speaker 1: I'll find it. And literally, there's nothing I enjoy more
Speaker 1: than finding like like an accessory or like a vintage
Speaker 1: something online. I got you girl, Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: fanny Pack. Clear my schedule. I gotta find back. They're
Speaker 1: so different because we know so much about them because
Speaker 1: the movie took care to develop both of these characters
Speaker 1: enough that we understand their idiosyncrasies and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So very well done. I thought, yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: the friendship is great and complicated and good, and I
Speaker 1: loved it. Indeed, there's a lot of similarly good sort
Speaker 1: of just messaging that the movie puts forth, you know,
Speaker 1: advocating for body positivity, sex positivity. You know, there's like
Speaker 1: the scene where they turned into the dolls. I guess
Speaker 1: I blocked it out until you brought it up. I
Speaker 1: like forgot that it was part of the movie, Like
Speaker 1: it was unnecessary. It felt weird. Like we watched this
Speaker 1: with our friend friend of the cast, Melissa Lozada Oliva,
Speaker 1: and she was like, this movie at times, like this
Speaker 1: movie was written by four people, and it shows that
Speaker 1: is such a good analysis because that, like that scene
Speaker 1: felt like of all the tropes that this movie avoids,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they could have avoided the drug scene.
Speaker 1: It just like not that it's bad, it's just like
Speaker 1: it just felt weirdly out of place. It feels tacked on.
Speaker 1: I feel like it almost like, first of all, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was necessary, but I feel like the
Speaker 1: way that they executed it was just wrong. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like I would have enjoyed being that the characters
Speaker 1: were so developed and they had so many different little idiosyncrasies.
Speaker 1: It would have been fun to see those idiosyncrasies come out.
Speaker 1: Like I forgot that she was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: my mom loves me so much, and she's like I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I forgot Whenever she said
Speaker 1: she smokes, she thinks her mom's gonna die. And I
Speaker 1: got super excited about that, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they were dolls, and I was like, it's just almost like,
Speaker 1: you guys found a way, like do you guys, Have
Speaker 1: you guys seen that episode of Broad City where they
Speaker 1: do shrooms and it kind of reminds me of like
Speaker 1: a water down version of that, but unnecessary. I think
Speaker 1: what happened was that they wanted a way to like
Speaker 1: talk about like body positivity, and they couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: a way to like work it into the script organically.
Speaker 1: So they're like, oh, maybe we'll just have them trip
Speaker 1: and then they turn into like these Barbie dolls as
Speaker 1: smart because that's what that function. That's what the scene
Speaker 1: serves to do, is like them like, like, look how
Speaker 1: unrealistic our bodies are, but also we kind of like
Speaker 1: it look amazing. Oh my god. And she's like touching herself.
Speaker 1: But at first it's like, wait, how do you even
Speaker 1: stand up on this? Oh my gosh, my tops too
Speaker 1: heavy and blah blah blah blah. My boobs are huge
Speaker 1: and they're smooth. And I mean, there's some funny lines
Speaker 1: in there that like hit of like her like momentary
Speaker 1: like this body makes no sense but I'm so smooth.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. It's funny, but it's just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's weird, Like, first of all, i'd rather
Speaker 1: see Caitlyn diaver and being felt seen have that conversation
Speaker 1: in persons, like it just felt weird that they're animated.
Speaker 1: And then I don't like what in the middle of
Speaker 1: this movie, Like not that I don't dislike the message,
Speaker 1: but it's just like, why are they talking about how
Speaker 1: barbies are disproportionate in the middle of this movie that
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with how barbies are portionate. It's
Speaker 1: almost as if they had a checklist of things that
Speaker 1: were like they should and they were like, we forgot
Speaker 1: body positives, so we got to get that back, like
Speaker 1: our woke list. Yeah, well glist. It doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: that because there's all these other different things where like
Speaker 1: there's a conversation about like gender performance versus sexual orientation
Speaker 1: and how they're different and right, yeah, which at least
Speaker 1: that fitting I mean a gender performance another thing for
Speaker 1: me to learn and understand. But I'm so downing which
Speaker 1: and most of the time, like the little like woke
Speaker 1: moments that they fit in story, I thought like pretty effective.
Speaker 1: The Barbie thing felt kind of like out of place.
Speaker 1: It's like, I did, I agree with the point, but
Speaker 1: like why is this? It's like the point doesn't hit
Speaker 1: home if it doesn't like fit in with the story, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like we don't really see those two characters
Speaker 1: like struggle with their bodies that much in the narrative,
Speaker 1: so it just feels it just felt like kind of
Speaker 1: that is a good point because it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they really care like about that, which we all do.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, like that wasn't a focus,
Speaker 1: like a focal point for either of them. Right. There's
Speaker 1: only one brief moment where Molly Beanie Feltine's character says
Speaker 1: something like, oh, Nick isn't ever gonna like me back
Speaker 1: because he only talks to girls who look like Triple A,
Speaker 1: and then Amy slaps her across the face right, being like,
Speaker 1: don't you ever say anything which do that to a friend.
Speaker 1: I literally was like okay, so this is gonna get weird,
Speaker 1: and she's like whine. I was like, if you were
Speaker 1: someone else and you just said that about you, I
Speaker 1: was like, I cussed that person out. So do you
Speaker 1: really think I'm gonna sit here and let you talk
Speaker 1: about yourself and be like yeah, that's great, Like what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? Support you? Which means I'm
Speaker 1: also knocking you down or like be a friend and
Speaker 1: check you. And I was like, you can't say that
Speaker 1: in front of me because you're essentially talking about my
Speaker 1: friend in front of me, which is you, which is
Speaker 1: when I saw it, I was like, I've done that.
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I didn't slap her, but like
Speaker 1: if we have another round, it's like if you keep
Speaker 1: it up, no, it's common. But other than that brief moment,
Speaker 1: we see them like building each other up, and like
Speaker 1: they look at each other and their outfits and they're saying,
Speaker 1: you're so fucking beautiful, like look amazing. There's so much
Speaker 1: like and the focal point is more their personalities then
Speaker 1: their bodies at every point because it's like they call
Speaker 1: her a butter personality. They're worried about the classmates perceived
Speaker 1: them personality wise, which they feel good about the way
Speaker 1: they're made. Like they're like, we look hot, we look cool,
Speaker 1: We've got fanny pegs. It's just our personalities that which
Speaker 1: I think is another great strength of movie, because like
Speaker 1: Molly is plus size, but it's like so normalized. There's
Speaker 1: no like there's you don't see anyone like calling her
Speaker 1: fat or like commenting on her body. And aside from
Speaker 1: that one comment, you know, she seems perfectly comfortable in
Speaker 1: her own skin and like, which is like teen movies
Speaker 1: need characters like that because there are girls who are
Speaker 1: like I don't care about the fucking norm Like I
Speaker 1: like the way I look. Yeah, And it's like usually
Speaker 1: I feel like in teen movies like this, if someone
Speaker 1: is mothered in any way, that has to be the
Speaker 1: focal knowledge. Yeah, it's like she's like like I remember
Speaker 1: like the running joke, it's like she's the nerd of
Speaker 1: the high school until you take her glasses off and
Speaker 1: she's beautiful. Like and I say that as someone who
Speaker 1: was in she's all that okay, So that all nineties
Speaker 1: movies like her hair straight and she's beautiful. It's like
Speaker 1: we everard that movie on the podcast So Testament two
Speaker 1: women threatened to kill each other. I don't even know
Speaker 1: where to go from that. Yeah, that's great, We've got
Speaker 1: the movie sending messages of body positivity. And then on
Speaker 1: that same vein like I feel like if you see
Speaker 1: usually in a movie where you see a character who
Speaker 1: looks like Molly, she wouldn't have a romantic interest, or
Speaker 1: if she does have a crush on someone, it's unrequited,
Speaker 1: and if she were to talk to that person, like
Speaker 1: she'd be really like flustered and nervous and like not
Speaker 1: good at talking to like a crush. But like the
Speaker 1: flirt game is good, so forward and like the whole
Speaker 1: like God, the teenagers talking to each other about Harry
Speaker 1: Potter houses. I'm like, you guys are such losers, but
Speaker 1: it's so cute, which is I think what I love
Speaker 1: the most about the two women is like they were
Speaker 1: normally grounded in themselves, like they knew exactly who the
Speaker 1: funk they were, and they're like women who are thirty
Speaker 1: who don't So it's so dope. You guys can't see
Speaker 1: my arms up. But it's like crazy because it's like
Speaker 1: you guys are barely like stepped into the world in
Speaker 1: high school, which is like ruthless. You guys are firmly
Speaker 1: grounded in who you are and like unapologetic because you
Speaker 1: have nothing to apologize for in the first place, right,
Speaker 1: And that's so like I've seen a few criticisms that
Speaker 1: are like, well, teenagers aren't actually like that, and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: no fucking do. Teenagers aren't actually like that most of
Speaker 1: the time. But this is like the kind of movie
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, you're looking for, like as a teenager,
Speaker 1: like people to model yourself after. And so if you
Speaker 1: see it's also like because you weren't in your friends
Speaker 1: or it doesn't mean they don't exist, like they're probably
Speaker 1: like sure, I'm like, were you like super bad? No?
Speaker 1: Shut up? Like there there are so many like cool
Speaker 1: example characters that like I wish I had seen when
Speaker 1: I was a teenager. And something I really liked about
Speaker 1: this movie is the that I think deviates for I'm
Speaker 1: like the teen movie like general formula, is that it
Speaker 1: gives attention and care to its like b characters, yeah
Speaker 1: only show up in a few scenes, but pretty much
Speaker 1: everyone is fleshed out. My favorite example of that is
Speaker 1: Triple A. I loved Triple as character. She is framed
Speaker 1: at the beginning as sort of like a teen movie
Speaker 1: trope of like she's the quote unquote slutty hot girl
Speaker 1: and then the mean girls. Yeah, because she's insulting Molly
Speaker 1: in their gender neutral bathrooms and high school, which is
Speaker 1: great but also bad for Molly in that case because
Speaker 1: boys are talking about her outside of the bathroom. And
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to interrupt, but I just saw this
Speaker 1: like the things that you notice as actors. We see
Speaker 1: like either like that one extra who's doing too much
Speaker 1: in the background or blah blah blah, you know, like
Speaker 1: I love that person who's like whoa, whoa, how fights
Speaker 1: happening in the restaurant. I'm like that guy. That guy
Speaker 1: don't stop looking at it. But did you look at
Speaker 1: like the like graffiti on the walls. It was like
Speaker 1: I was, but it was like the most beautiful writing.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, Like the set director was like,
Speaker 1: don't don't mess with the paint too much, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, this is so perfect, so perfect. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I totally just like I thought of the Herpedian was
Speaker 1: like that ship is such a set serfecter doing good work. Yes,
Speaker 1: but Triple A she loved her. I loved her because
Speaker 1: then she immediately in the space of she's presented as
Speaker 1: this sexually promiscuous mean girl. And then in that same scene,
Speaker 1: Molly you know, goes out to stand up for herself
Speaker 1: and is pretty rude and it's just like, well, you
Speaker 1: guys aren't going to good schools. And then it turns
Speaker 1: out that like smashing it, Yeah, I didn't see that coming,
Speaker 1: is also going to Yale, and like she just totally
Speaker 1: subverts everything that you learned about her. And then there's
Speaker 1: another scene with her and Molly at the end where
Speaker 1: Triple A gives Molly ride home and says basically like
Speaker 1: she was called like the hand job queen or something,
Speaker 1: and because yeah, she gave roadside assistance to men and like,
Speaker 1: which is more clever than any teenager. But like sure,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, I remember my nicknames. They were
Speaker 1: never like oh wow, you actually are witty, Like it
Speaker 1: was just like you're an idiot. Like I totally identified
Speaker 1: with Triple A in like elementary school or not elementary
Speaker 1: woe that would be like, let's learn about my childhood,
Speaker 1: um junior high because like I was the little girl
Speaker 1: with huge lips and so all the boys started calling
Speaker 1: me DSL and you can figure out what they would
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, Vanessa's got that high speed internet.
Speaker 1: And I was like what And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys are so fucking stupid. But I was like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm fifteen, that's never happened. Like I
Speaker 1: identified with Triple A. I'm like, everyone's like she's the
Speaker 1: social one who parties, but I was like, I have
Speaker 1: a four point one I'm going to USC and that
Speaker 1: was like what Triple A does. At the end, she
Speaker 1: like says basically she's like, yeah, I've had sex before,
Speaker 1: and like she's very like sex positive about the way
Speaker 1: she presents herself. And she's like that people have the
Speaker 1: wrong idea about me. I've literally just given people rides
Speaker 1: home and then boys will like lie about like what
Speaker 1: I've done with them. But she does say she's done. No,
Speaker 1: but she goes, this is why guys say I've given
Speaker 1: roadside assistance because I picked them up. And she goes
Speaker 1: and yeah, like and I've also given I'm also blue
Speaker 1: them but like it's not like I came over to do,
Speaker 1: which I was like, hilarious, Like I didn't. I almost
Speaker 1: thought that they weren't going to say that, which I
Speaker 1: thought would have been awesome. But I also like the
Speaker 1: fact that she's like, no, I did do that, but like,
Speaker 1: does that because at the stake for it, like and
Speaker 1: then like it doesn't mean that she's stupid and it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that she's not going to be And then
Speaker 1: like I don't know the way she and Molly sort
Speaker 1: of reconcile at the end, I'm like, Oh, they're going
Speaker 1: to be like roommates, and like that's so much fun
Speaker 1: to see. I want that movie to backpedal a little
Speaker 1: further on her storylines. So before we even meet her
Speaker 1: on screen, um, Molly and Amy are talking about her
Speaker 1: and call her Triple A, and Molly participates in this
Speaker 1: what's essentially like a sledge shaming right name, and Amy's like,
Speaker 1: don't call her that, and Molly's like, well, it's true,
Speaker 1: like she gave this roadside assistance. And then later when
Speaker 1: Molly's in the car with her Triple A, who's I
Speaker 1: don't remember what what her actual name is, Annabelle, she
Speaker 1: does this whole thing where it's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: understand the guys calling me that, but it really hurt
Speaker 1: when the girls would call it me that, Like she
Speaker 1: I guess assumed there would be exactly um, so she was.
Speaker 1: She was upset that the girls were calling her Triple
Speaker 1: A too, and then Molly's like, oops, I did that.
Speaker 1: And then but then she's like Amy never called you that,
Speaker 1: And which is what I also like to is like
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not this is like a
Speaker 1: belief that is widely held, but I feel like there's
Speaker 1: something where people don't get that women can also be
Speaker 1: like funny and prey the and sociable and smart, like
Speaker 1: we can do that, we can do both, we can
Speaker 1: have it all, and they also be funny, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just wild, all of the possibilities. I guess I
Speaker 1: kind of misunderstood that final scene with Triple A and
Speaker 1: Molly because I I the way I interpreted it was
Speaker 1: that yeah, she had like blown or given hand jobs
Speaker 1: to like some of the guys, but not all of them.
Speaker 1: And like what resonated with me that I guess didn't
Speaker 1: happen in that scene was that like there are times
Speaker 1: where like high school boys will overestimate what they did
Speaker 1: with a girl, which I thought wasn't which wasn't really
Speaker 1: like a point I see like addressed by the girl
Speaker 1: in a lot of movies, and so I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: that didn't wish that that would happen. She basically happens.
Speaker 1: She just essentially admits like, yeah, the things you heard
Speaker 1: about me, Yeah, I did give some blow jobs, but
Speaker 1: it's because like I wanted to and I wanted to
Speaker 1: enjoy myself, like and she refuses to be slight shamed
Speaker 1: for her activity, which is great. Yeah, And then there's
Speaker 1: a few other like things that are like, you know,
Speaker 1: promoting sex positivity in this movie that I really enjoyed,
Speaker 1: which is like just the friends encouraging each other to
Speaker 1: like explore their sexuality. Um, you know, Molly' is like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want you to like kiss a girl Amy finally,
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. We see them talk about masturbation
Speaker 1: and like share masturbation stories. They watch porn together. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, what I so did with like my best
Speaker 1: friend of just like let's let's figure this out. We
Speaker 1: have access like duh, hasn't before, like private browsers, so
Speaker 1: we were just like fuck it. Let's get in there
Speaker 1: on desktops like, I don't know, do you know? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: what is how do you google? You can literally like
Speaker 1: google sheer tights and everything will come up, like you know,
Speaker 1: like you don't even have to try hard. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then another moment I liked along that same vein was
Speaker 1: there's a rumor that has been spread around about Jared
Speaker 1: and how he lost his virginity to when he was
Speaker 1: fourteen to a sex worker, which is language that I've
Speaker 1: never heard in a movie, like someone say the word
Speaker 1: sex worker, which things yeah. And then later on Jared
Speaker 1: reveals that he didn't have sex with a sex worker.
Speaker 1: He didn't He's never had sex with anyone, which he's
Speaker 1: like not ashamed to admit. He tells this two of
Speaker 1: those girl that he has a crush on, He's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have not fucked, and I'm okay, that's hot Jared.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that when they're talking about his rumor,
Speaker 1: she's like, this is too crazy of a rumor to
Speaker 1: not be true. And I literally was like, because like
Speaker 1: I've I've I've just accepted that to like who would
Speaker 1: make that up? But it's like a lot of people
Speaker 1: made a lot of people. Yeah, I mean, and Jared
Speaker 1: is like another one of those like sort of be
Speaker 1: characters that you end up getting that full arc with
Speaker 1: where I feel like, if this movie was made ten
Speaker 1: years ago, that would just be the joke, like the
Speaker 1: like we don't really pay attention to him, but we
Speaker 1: like that he has a lot of money, right, eccentric
Speaker 1: rich kid, slut shamed girl like that those would have
Speaker 1: been the one note. But this movie like does a
Speaker 1: really good job of like giving them their own moment
Speaker 1: in the sun without it being too much. Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1: And then like Hope, who is the hot girl who
Speaker 1: Amy huks up with in the bathroom, Like we get
Speaker 1: to see her a second time, and she's not just
Speaker 1: sort of like put in the like random hot girl.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like in a different movie girl, she
Speaker 1: would have been mean or she like but she is
Speaker 1: kind of mean. She was met at the beginning scene,
Speaker 1: like I remember like seeing her and just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's going to be a pain in the ass all movie.
Speaker 1: And then she was back at the end and but
Speaker 1: then she kind of resolves at the where she's just
Speaker 1: like hey, Hope. But then in the bathroom even she's
Speaker 1: just like, you fucking idiot, you're crying in a bathroom.
Speaker 1: I don't like meek people. And then that prompts Amy
Speaker 1: to a surprise kiss her, which there's two surprise both
Speaker 1: of the protagonists of this movie. And Beanie felt seems
Speaker 1: surprised because I was, truly I was like, where did this?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that they set up her and Jared,
Speaker 1: but like that kiss at the end, You're like, this
Speaker 1: is very Sadden. Yeah, there's two surprise kisses in this movie.
Speaker 1: Uh so you know we're not all the way there.
Speaker 1: There's still surprised kisses and a predatory teacher. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are some of the things that I didn't care for.
Speaker 1: Let's let's take a quick break and then we'll come
Speaker 1: back for more hot discourse. And we're back. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about Jessica Williams. We're going to negatives, or let's go
Speaker 1: into some negatives, because there are a few. This is
Speaker 1: not a perfect movie. God, I just like Jessica Williams
Speaker 1: is so funny, like in the first half of her
Speaker 1: scenes when we see her at school, and then when
Speaker 1: we even when we see her like pick up the girls,
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, like you should go to a
Speaker 1: party like I wish I had because and then she
Speaker 1: talks about that ship was hilarious at the sensation that
Speaker 1: was so funny. And then I feel like the movie
Speaker 1: kind of like sells her character out and kind of
Speaker 1: make and they make her a predatory teacher, which doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like the character we met at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, there's THEO is his name, who failed
Speaker 1: seventh grade twice, so he's older, he's twenty, which they go.
Speaker 1: I feel like the movie tries to get a pass
Speaker 1: by stating that several times, and they're like, we're not
Speaker 1: making it like weird, like but you're still at like
Speaker 1: you're still fired, like you're out of best guess is
Speaker 1: like they're making another attempt to like subvert a trope
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, look, how cool it is that
Speaker 1: an older woman gets with a younger man, because we
Speaker 1: don't see that that much. The problem is that power dynamic,
Speaker 1: power dynamic exactly. It is also being at your students party.
Speaker 1: You're fired, You're fine. There's all these other probably underage kids,
Speaker 1: they're they're all drinking like you're like cool, this is yeah,
Speaker 1: make sure your homeworks in on Monday. And don't take
Speaker 1: that jello like what Like, I just feel like like
Speaker 1: when she was driving off, you could like see in
Speaker 1: her mind her thinking about possibly going to the party,
Speaker 1: and I was just hoping it didn't happen. And there
Speaker 1: was no reason for her to happen, because it's not
Speaker 1: like we saw them hooking up or anything like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so I mean that was another thing that
Speaker 1: I think is like this movie was written by four people,
Speaker 1: and this movie, the first draft of this movie was
Speaker 1: written ten years ago, so the first there's four everyone
Speaker 1: credited on this on the screenplay as a woman, but
Speaker 1: the first draft was written in two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: by Emily Halpern and Sarah Haskins, So that to me
Speaker 1: felt like some first draft ship. Oh yeah. And I
Speaker 1: feel like two thousand nine was at the hilt of
Speaker 1: oh my god, students and teachers are hooking up like yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, let's do a little twist on
Speaker 1: this that's like ultimately misguided and doesn't help the story
Speaker 1: and just is a waste of Jessica Williams and I
Speaker 1: mad about it. And to be honest, like there were
Speaker 1: no brown women in that movie, Like there were no
Speaker 1: like this. That's the thing that drove me insane about
Speaker 1: this movie. I think it did such a great job
Speaker 1: of showing high school men in every light, and we
Speaker 1: only had white high school girls. Yes, it was a
Speaker 1: huge missed opportunity. Like and here's the thing is, like
Speaker 1: I always think about that when I think about representation
Speaker 1: in movies, like okay, Like you know, you get a
Speaker 1: script or an audition and it'll say, like Vanessa twelve
Speaker 1: to fifteen. I've never I'm never going to play that
Speaker 1: age right now, but you get what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I'll either say like African American or all ethnicity, And
Speaker 1: so I wonder what this like, was it specified all
Speaker 1: ethnicity and these girls just happened to be the best,
Speaker 1: which they were fucking awesome, Like I won't take that
Speaker 1: away from them. Or was it one that was specifically Caucasian?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, there's so many Like to me, none
Speaker 1: of the actual girls in the high school, their personalities
Speaker 1: weren't specific to a culture. Sure, so they could have
Speaker 1: been any culture, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 1: would say, like, what is uh not Beanie's character Amy Amy?
Speaker 1: Like okay, so we saw her parents, I understand that,
Speaker 1: but like Beanie, Like Beanie could have been like a
Speaker 1: mixed race easily because we never saw her parents, you know,
Speaker 1: like any of the g a, any of those girls
Speaker 1: could have been Asian, Hispanic. Like the dude who hooked
Speaker 1: up with Jessica Williams was Mexican. He says that he's Mexican. Mean,
Speaker 1: there's two Asian dudes. We've got two gay guys, we've
Speaker 1: got two black dudes. Like there's so much diversity in
Speaker 1: the high school meant and you, I didn't see myself
Speaker 1: so bizarre like that is I feel like one of
Speaker 1: the big I was so confused by that of this movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the representation from male high schoolers is they nailed it
Speaker 1: over the place they nailed it and who knows what
Speaker 1: the actual process was. But this is a movie that
Speaker 1: was directed by a white ladies, written by four white ladies,
Speaker 1: and that shows in the way that like, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're representing themselves. And that's unfortunate because it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know any white girls who went to high school
Speaker 1: with only white girls, like and if they did, they
Speaker 1: were like ship, dude, I had to like figure it out,
Speaker 1: like I like it was because of where I lived,
Speaker 1: you know, like but in most cities, and that seemed
Speaker 1: to be like an l A or a New York
Speaker 1: or something like that, like a diverse group of classmates
Speaker 1: they're in they're in l A. Like and and especially
Speaker 1: like the male population of the school is diverse, why
Speaker 1: would the female population not. Like I literally was like
Speaker 1: there was not one woman of color besides mis fine, right, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's insane. And that is like the one thing that
Speaker 1: does kind of bother me about the discussion that is
Speaker 1: surrounded this movie is that Olivia Wilde has come out
Speaker 1: quite a bit, and like rightfully so in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, being like this is a movie for women,
Speaker 1: like we we need people to go see this movie,
Speaker 1: and like she's really been pushing it and saying like,
Speaker 1: you know, like everyone has to see this movie or
Speaker 1: women can't make movies anymore, which you know, like I
Speaker 1: understand where she's coming from, where it's like it's hard
Speaker 1: for women to get second chances. And the same thing
Speaker 1: with the black meniti there, like it takes twenty years
Speaker 1: to get funded and then Black Panther came out and
Speaker 1: now we're good. Yeah, thank you so much, Marvel. But
Speaker 1: she I mean but she's only representing like white women
Speaker 1: and her movie, and that's a legitimate complaint that I
Speaker 1: don't think that she is really addressed or taken and stride.
Speaker 1: And that's why I was like trying to think of
Speaker 1: it outside of like, so, what are the possibilities that
Speaker 1: could have landed in this way? Like is it all ethnicity?
Speaker 1: Then these girls, like I get it, Like you see
Speaker 1: someone You're like, I wanted it to be a black person,
Speaker 1: but this girl nailed it, Like that's g G. You know,
Speaker 1: Like so I understand like that, but I'm also like, really,
Speaker 1: there so many talented color who could have been cast, like,
Speaker 1: don't sense it's not the Well. The other thing too,
Speaker 1: is that a lot of the like top build actors
Speaker 1: are white. Because you've got Jason Sudeikis, Will Forte, Lisa Crudro,
Speaker 1: they're hardly in the movie at all, but they got
Speaker 1: top billing because they're famous people. And then they're all
Speaker 1: still white. And then yeah, I mean the classmates and
Speaker 1: the fact that they're all white women. They could have
Speaker 1: done so much, And I just feel like sometimes you
Speaker 1: don't need to justify why someone is a different race,
Speaker 1: because no one really justifies whiteness in films, it's just
Speaker 1: like that is it is, it is. It's so much
Speaker 1: else in this movie is very normalized, like the queerness
Speaker 1: body like it's all very normal. And then like you
Speaker 1: could have just introduced many characters who are women of
Speaker 1: color and also had that just be normal, and then
Speaker 1: they just didn't do everywhere. And it's like with the
Speaker 1: casting thing, it's just like if you can't find like
Speaker 1: a woman of color who is super funny and in like,
Speaker 1: you're just not looking hard enough. Like it's just it's
Speaker 1: just like if if that they ever came back with,
Speaker 1: like well they just it's like, no, you just weren't
Speaker 1: looking hard enough and you weren't and that's like an
Speaker 1: insult to like every woman of caller who's an actor
Speaker 1: who's like bomba and I'm like, okay, the what was
Speaker 1: her name? Hope I could have justified or validated her
Speaker 1: being like anything, Like she could have been half Native American,
Speaker 1: she could have been this. She doesn't had to be hot,
Speaker 1: but we just didn't know, like I have no idea
Speaker 1: what her ethnicity is. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: she could still fall in like slightly olive white girl
Speaker 1: with brown hair, like you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: just wish that there was something, especially because the boys
Speaker 1: they were more diverse, like and there were less white
Speaker 1: boys than there were brown boys boys. And then George, yes, uh,
Speaker 1: it's very and Melissa pointed out when we were watching
Speaker 1: as well, she's like the only brown woman who's even
Speaker 1: mentioned is Rosa Parks when they're like listing off their
Speaker 1: list of heroes. That was another thing that was like,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a thing, but it's just like in Malala,
Speaker 1: I guess brown girls are there. Then they also mentioned
Speaker 1: Susan be Anthony, who was extremely racist. Never there there
Speaker 1: and like the way I don't know, like I know,
Speaker 1: a weird white feminism thing, like what there I mean,
Speaker 1: even the way they say it. No, I mean it's
Speaker 1: like there is the way that their rooms were designed,
Speaker 1: I was like annoying, which I hate to say, but
Speaker 1: but there is like very like their their rooms were
Speaker 1: given up white feminism hard where it was like framed
Speaker 1: pictures of Ruth Baygenberg and like but like it was
Speaker 1: like pussy hat feminism where it was just like vaguely
Speaker 1: consumer and which which I know is just like sort
Speaker 1: of shorthand for like these woke young white girls. But
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, I was how we all
Speaker 1: felt about Lena Dunn. I'm saying that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was rolling my eyes at the set, like the
Speaker 1: way they presented of like you know, wearing like pussy patches.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sure if I were a high schooler
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, I would I would do that to
Speaker 1: an extent. But I was like, man, there's like, wait,
Speaker 1: the pussy patches thing, I don't remember that she just
Speaker 1: had she had like different patches of like vaginas, and
Speaker 1: she had like vagina posters in her room. So I
Speaker 1: totally didn't see that. The set to time, it was
Speaker 1: like it was very pussy hat feminism, which I'm like
Speaker 1: always vaguely annoyed by because it's vague nothing there's another
Speaker 1: do it. There's also some you know, like trans erator
Speaker 1: with that kind of stuff. But there's another um moment
Speaker 1: where I was like this is everything. Like there's another
Speaker 1: moment where um, like the white privilege really comes through
Speaker 1: where Amy there's like a video of her getting arrested
Speaker 1: and she makes a joke about not having a gun.
Speaker 1: She like call She's like a call shotgun and then
Speaker 1: she's like just kidding, I don't have one. And it's like,
Speaker 1: because you're a white girl, that had no consequences, but
Speaker 1: if you were brown or black, like you would have
Speaker 1: probably been shot. So okay, as the brown one at
Speaker 1: the table, I didn't even think of that. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for bringing that up, like like, and that's
Speaker 1: the thing that's crazy to me sometimes. It's like sometimes
Speaker 1: those things are so normalized to me, like, oh, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have to deal with that, Like if it had
Speaker 1: been a brown roy I'd be like, oh, like because
Speaker 1: it would be me, like I know, yeah, wow yeah.
Speaker 1: And then like by extension of that, like if she
Speaker 1: was that extremely arrested, the fact that it's that easy
Speaker 1: for her to get out is very I was saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like, don't even bring it up.
Speaker 1: But I was like where her parents, Like they were
Speaker 1: so involved, but no one gives a ship now like
Speaker 1: and then I was like she was out within a day.
Speaker 1: Like we've all had a friend who had to spend
Speaker 1: a night in jail. It's not that easy, Like you
Speaker 1: have to tell their parents, Like you have to tell her. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like a weird thing. I mean, and then
Speaker 1: something I wanted to bring up quickly that was, like
Speaker 1: I think, I think my last negative feeling about this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was the lack of like in
Speaker 1: the same way that there's like a lack of self
Speaker 1: awareness about like the white feminism that's present in this movie,
Speaker 1: there's also a complete lack of self awareness with class,
Speaker 1: which I think is like such a teen movie thing
Speaker 1: and a children's entertainment thing in general, that like this,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's room to comment on it in this movie.
Speaker 1: There in Los Angeles, there's such a wide array of
Speaker 1: like classes present in the city, and this movie is
Speaker 1: like like most teen movies, it's about upper middle class
Speaker 1: kids who there is no I mean, especially where it's
Speaker 1: like the discussion is they're getting ready to go to college,
Speaker 1: which is like the most devastating financial commitment, like people
Speaker 1: who are not in a position for their parents to
Speaker 1: pay for their school. It's just weird that it's completely
Speaker 1: not press that would have been cool, like if there
Speaker 1: was like a kid who was like down and out
Speaker 1: like or like, I feel like they did such a
Speaker 1: good job of taking the secondary characters and giving them
Speaker 1: a moment in the sun. They could have easily taken
Speaker 1: one of those guys and like added that in, you know,
Speaker 1: like whatever it may be. Like maybe it took him
Speaker 1: two years to plead high school because he was helping
Speaker 1: the family with a part time job or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Maybe that's why THEO failed
Speaker 1: seventh grade so many times. Yeah, because he was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta keep the lights on. I mean, I liked
Speaker 1: the fact that he's going to go be a coder
Speaker 1: at Google, but like that, I mean, there are times
Speaker 1: a charm. I'm like, this guy, these kids are so
Speaker 1: damned community. That's like I'm like that is like the
Speaker 1: like coder prodigy character like that, but the I mean,
Speaker 1: just in general, I think that there's just like in
Speaker 1: most teen movies I watched growing up, there was like
Speaker 1: no one from like my class reflected, and so it's
Speaker 1: like where are the poor kids? Like right, because I
Speaker 1: was a poor kid in a super rich high school
Speaker 1: and I was like wait, so like I remember coming
Speaker 1: to school with a guess bag and like it has
Speaker 1: the same triangle as the product triangle and they were
Speaker 1: all like, oh, it's guess and I was like, but
Speaker 1: it's still whole. Ships also a fancy brand or am
Speaker 1: I just not PC people? Okay? They were like, oh
Speaker 1: you bore. Then I was like I begged my mom
Speaker 1: for this. What you talking about? My chapstick is in here,
Speaker 1: I'm killing it. Like I don't feel sorry for me there.
Speaker 1: I just want there to be teen movies where teenagers
Speaker 1: are wearing their cousins clothes. Like that was like where
Speaker 1: is that? I mean? And that's just like something that
Speaker 1: this movie doesn't really because all these movies need there
Speaker 1: was there was a really good Twitter threat I wish
Speaker 1: I had the name of the user. Then found like
Speaker 1: the scene where the like girl goes, you know, dives
Speaker 1: into an in ground pool and it's all in her
Speaker 1: feelings in these teen movies and like I didn't go
Speaker 1: into like an in ground pool till I was like twenty,
Speaker 1: like there is where but yeah, the like girl and
Speaker 1: her feelings and the in ground pool shot is it's
Speaker 1: becoming I mean I do have pool scene written down
Speaker 1: on here. Yes, but mostly because one thing that I
Speaker 1: loved about this movie was the music. I love the music.
Speaker 1: The music supervisor nailed it, like really helped me get
Speaker 1: into the emotions like and here's the thing. Even though
Speaker 1: I'm like an actor, I am such an audience member,
Speaker 1: like I like, I'm like, I'm all the way in.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would be great at any test audience
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm going to feel the moment, like
Speaker 1: when she saw them underwater Ryan and guy who I
Speaker 1: can't remember that Nick. Yeah, I was like, we've I
Speaker 1: don't know about you guys. That's happened to that's happened
Speaker 1: to me where I've seen the dude I like kissing
Speaker 1: a girl at a party, and I thought that we
Speaker 1: were like on our way to like crush status. God. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Can Fidler. Yeah, the music is from I've never heard
Speaker 1: of this artist, but Dan the automator, Daniel Nakamura. He's like,
Speaker 1: I guess he's a famous San Francisco and he artist
Speaker 1: he did the whole score. Yeah. Yeah. The music supervisor
Speaker 1: who like did the soundtrack to was also point I
Speaker 1: do like that they had the library scene too. I
Speaker 1: do want it. I wanted to point that out because
Speaker 1: I was like, they talk about how smart they are
Speaker 1: the entire time, and I'm glad that they actually showed
Speaker 1: them like get down to business at they're great at
Speaker 1: And I love a good montage of like there's an okay.
Speaker 1: One thing that a trump at this movie avoided that
Speaker 1: I appreciate was like there was no like clothes trying
Speaker 1: on montage where it's like we're going to a party,
Speaker 1: we've got to find the best off it. Instead, they
Speaker 1: have a self defense montage where they're like teaching themselves
Speaker 1: self defense, which was in like you want to be
Speaker 1: friends with those girls, which is awesome. Yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: goofy and fun. The other thing that this movie avoided
Speaker 1: that I noticed was there's so many teen movies that
Speaker 1: ends in prom. This did not end in prom. It
Speaker 1: ended I mean, but I think that that is again
Speaker 1: like super Bad also, I mean I think that that
Speaker 1: is that might come from like kind of the mold
Speaker 1: that they're they're pulling from a little bit is like
Speaker 1: they're making a movie that has mainly been taken up
Speaker 1: by male characters before and they're making it a woman's
Speaker 1: story because I feel like, yeah, there's so many I
Speaker 1: feel I'm like there was a draft of Book Smart
Speaker 1: that ended in from and not what we're discussing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's cool because it ends in graduation, which makes
Speaker 1: sense because their academics and then and then when the
Speaker 1: car pulls into the football field, you're like, yes, it's
Speaker 1: so exciting. That was exciting. Although, Grandma Caitlin here, one
Speaker 1: of the things I didn't care too much about this
Speaker 1: movie is that it makes irresponsible driving seem cool and
Speaker 1: fun because they were like driving like a bat out
Speaker 1: of hell. There was so much. All of your parents
Speaker 1: are away right now, and you know teams are going
Speaker 1: to see that, and they're going to think I should
Speaker 1: drive like that, and they're going to cause an accident anywhere.
Speaker 1: I cancel on you. I mean, I was fine with
Speaker 1: their driving. They were driving a car with flames on it.
Speaker 1: I was gonna drive that. It's true. My boyfriends driving
Speaker 1: a truck with flames on it right now, and you
Speaker 1: know we were making bad decisions on the highway. We're
Speaker 1: driving a truck with flames. I don't care if I die.
Speaker 1: If I die, I'm dying in a truck with flames.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it doesn't happen, but I'll be like, that's what
Speaker 1: she wanted, you guys. So she's fucking resting in peace.
Speaker 1: She's resting in flames. By yes, please put ari I
Speaker 1: f on my two stone. Resting in it also implies
Speaker 1: that's fine. Another big discussion that we should cover is
Speaker 1: the representation of queerness in this movie. Yes, we talked
Speaker 1: to our friends Ellie Bridgeta and Lee Holmes Foster Or
Speaker 1: on our deb's episode of the Let's Hangout podcast. They're
Speaker 1: wonderful and they kindly, uh. We asked for their perspective
Speaker 1: on how they felt about how queerness was represented in
Speaker 1: the movie, and they gave us truly wonderful, comprehensive thoughts
Speaker 1: that we would like to share. Ye. Should we just
Speaker 1: go back and forth on the on the boy first
Speaker 1: point is book Smart subverts LGBTQ tropes and gives us
Speaker 1: a lesbian lead character, Amy, who has already been out
Speaker 1: for two years at the start of the movie. She
Speaker 1: is confident in her sexuality and knows she likes girls.
Speaker 1: Her best friend is supportive, even encouraging her to lose
Speaker 1: her lesbian virginity with a joke about scissoring, which could
Speaker 1: be cringeworthy except for the subsequent exchange with Amy claiming
Speaker 1: that quote lesbians don't scissor and Molly arguing don't knock
Speaker 1: it till you try it, which a is totally valid
Speaker 1: and b is some sort of meta humor given that
Speaker 1: Beanie Feldstein is dating a woman in real life, which
Speaker 1: I did not realize that. Yeah cool. Next point, Amy's
Speaker 1: parents are also supportive of her without question and skipping
Speaker 1: Amy's coming out story, we instead get to focus on
Speaker 1: Amy as a person and get to see the high
Speaker 1: school experience we've seen in every straight high school movie
Speaker 1: ever from an out lesbian high school experience, which totally
Speaker 1: agree with. Again, in the same way that, like Beanie
Speaker 1: Feldstein's body doesn't become her story, like Amy's sexuality doesn't
Speaker 1: become her door. Yeah. Both again very normal co stars
Speaker 1: to who they are. Yeah, they're so comprehensive. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, so much appreciative. Next point, Amy's initial love interest,
Speaker 1: Ryan is also an interesting subversion of lgbt Q trips.
Speaker 1: She wears board shorts, she skates boards, and she has
Speaker 1: short haircut. Amy spends half of the movie trying to
Speaker 1: figure out if she's gay or not, until she sees
Speaker 1: her making out with Nick, who is Molly's love interest.
Speaker 1: This shows that gay girls don't have to look a
Speaker 1: certain way to be gay, and someone can quote look
Speaker 1: like a lesbian and still not identify as one gender
Speaker 1: expression is completely different from how you express your sexuality,
Speaker 1: which they basically said in the movie. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just sitting here just so in uh. The sex scene
Speaker 1: between Hope and Amy is also well done and realistic.
Speaker 1: Amy doesn't have a perfect first time, but she does
Speaker 1: get the hot girl in the same way that the
Speaker 1: Michael Sayers of the world have been getting hot girls
Speaker 1: for years. The only love scene in the whole movie
Speaker 1: is a queer love scene. There are some makeouts, but
Speaker 1: the sex scene is reserved for our lesbian high school protagonist,
Speaker 1: which I've never seen a movie. Yeah, awesome that that happens. Like,
Speaker 1: the one sex scene you get is a queer god
Speaker 1: and sex scene. And even though things do go wrong
Speaker 1: and kind of a goofy jet apta way, it's like
Speaker 1: it's not specific to her sexuality. It's just an awkward
Speaker 1: seene sex scene because she's just inexperienced. I did find
Speaker 1: it hard to suspend my disbelief for Amy not knowing
Speaker 1: the difference between a butt hole and a vagina, like
Speaker 1: what that would feel like and where the positioning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like it's I'm like, you have both and
Speaker 1: you know the like proximity vicinity and like they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the general I mean, I don't know, I've made some
Speaker 1: weird mistakes, and like everyone makes weird I I agree
Speaker 1: with them. Like, well, I guess she's probably wait wait,
Speaker 1: hold up, hold up, no no, no, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: so wait, I'm just thinking that the visuals I'm doing
Speaker 1: right now. Okay. So Beanie was like, flip it. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why she messed up. That's the only thing that
Speaker 1: I could possibly be like, maybe she didn't think like
Speaker 1: flip myself, but flip, I don't know. I'm the thing
Speaker 1: I can maybe think to justify that was that she's
Speaker 1: presented as being so awkward when it comes to her
Speaker 1: like talking to her crushes, which I think is really
Speaker 1: like I said before, like Molly is like super confident
Speaker 1: around her crush and it's like really good at flirting.
Speaker 1: By contrast, Amy, who is like the person who like
Speaker 1: more traditionally adheres to Western beauty standards and as usually
Speaker 1: like that type, is usually presented as being way smoother
Speaker 1: with like their crushing. But she's so awkward. Well, and
Speaker 1: I do like like that she has a little bit
Speaker 1: of anxiety, but it doesn't take over her whole character
Speaker 1: about like well, I don't know how this girl identifies.
Speaker 1: And my favorite way that that is like expressed in
Speaker 1: a very kind of subtle, funny ways when she's talking
Speaker 1: about how she's going to Botswana and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I couldn't got to Uganda because like Uganda's every like
Speaker 1: very anti queer, and then she just says almost like
Speaker 1: would you be afford to go to That's such like
Speaker 1: that was my It was so sweet. It's just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, how could you not want to like
Speaker 1: just come over and hang out with me and I'll
Speaker 1: protect you guys for the rest of your life. So sweet.
Speaker 1: It was adorable. So one thing that does kind of
Speaker 1: bug me about that scene, and I touched on a
Speaker 1: little bit, the scene where they're in the bathroom and
Speaker 1: Hope and Amy are hooking up, is that the kind
Speaker 1: of precursor to them kissing and hooking up is Hope
Speaker 1: pretty aggressively nagging Amy and then that gets her to
Speaker 1: be like, oh you're so hot, smooch like surprise kiss,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I feel like that could have been
Speaker 1: handled better. We're like, why is Hope this like needlessly
Speaker 1: meme girl? And like why does that turn Amy on? Well?
Speaker 1: And then, especially in like a movie that generally does
Speaker 1: well by its B characters, like there could have been
Speaker 1: something set up between those two characters earlier, but it
Speaker 1: feels so sudden. I mean, they had a very very
Speaker 1: very short exchange when they walk into the classroom, but
Speaker 1: it was so short that I don't remember what Hope said.
Speaker 1: I just remember her giving attitude, and I remember because
Speaker 1: I've seen it three times. This is why we need you. Um.
Speaker 1: It's right after they score Jessica Williams's character's phone number,
Speaker 1: and then Hope Hope says, oh, you got your teacher's
Speaker 1: phone number, and she's like yeah, She's like okay or
Speaker 1: cool or something like that, and it's like maybe she's
Speaker 1: trying to flirt, and like maybe she's using nagging as
Speaker 1: a flirtatious tactic, or maybe she's just she send something
Speaker 1: like have a good date this weekend or something like
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, to like set up like
Speaker 1: it was weird. I guess Hope is just the one
Speaker 1: who's like, we don't understand why she's mad, but like
Speaker 1: maybe she'll she'll figure it out and let us know.
Speaker 1: She's just very Oh that's why I Hope mad. That
Speaker 1: the girl sent us two more point two point sex
Speaker 1: one is um Benie Feldstein, who plays Molly Amy's straight
Speaker 1: best friend, is also an openly queer actress, which gives
Speaker 1: a movie extra points for casting queer actors and a
Speaker 1: queer movie, even though Molly isn't playing the lesbian character,
Speaker 1: which is great because queer actors don't always have to
Speaker 1: play queer characters like that's not yeah, And we talked
Speaker 1: about that on the recent Carol episode to where it's
Speaker 1: like straight actors are usually cast to be the ones
Speaker 1: playing queer characters. It's much rarer to see out queer
Speaker 1: actors being cast at all, much less than straight. What
Speaker 1: happens more with women where they cast queer women in
Speaker 1: straight roles more than interesting. My few examples that I
Speaker 1: have off the top of my head are Ellen Page,
Speaker 1: Kristen Stewart, and Portioned Dirassi. Yeah, I mean they've been
Speaker 1: it is it is harder to think about the top
Speaker 1: of mine. That might be one of the I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in what where queer friends have to
Speaker 1: say about that, because it might be like something that
Speaker 1: is a little bit easier for women, which is rare
Speaker 1: to say ever, but like the only out male actor
Speaker 1: I can think. I mean, like Neil Patrick Harris is
Speaker 1: the one. Yeah, but I can't think, like I can't think. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's um the dude on suits. I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is? That Meg and Marco's
Speaker 1: show or was that a different one? No, I'm confusing
Speaker 1: brunettes with blue eyes. He's so cute too. Um, Zachary
Speaker 1: Quinto often some straight roles or is it the prison
Speaker 1: break dude? Oh? What is his went Worth? No? Not
Speaker 1: went wore Miller? And then you've got like Ian McKellen
Speaker 1: is cast as scandal as Yeah, who I mean because
Speaker 1: Magnetia genderless? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I guess that there
Speaker 1: are examples that would be fun, like not fun, but
Speaker 1: like something interesting to explore. Yeah, for sure, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: we would be if any of our queer listeners have
Speaker 1: opinions on that, we would we would love to hear
Speaker 1: it and or other examples. Yeah, and finally, uh, the
Speaker 1: last point that they sent along was all in all,
Speaker 1: we would have killed for this type of representation in
Speaker 1: high school. AMI sexuality is basically a non issue. Nobody
Speaker 1: questions it, Nobody bullies or teases her for it multiple
Speaker 1: side characters are queer fluid in various ways, also without
Speaker 1: facing any social repercussions, and the jokes are never at
Speaker 1: the expense of queerness. What a welcome delight and want
Speaker 1: a delight for them to have shared their wonderful perspectives.
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Ellie and Leaves to listen to the
Speaker 1: Debs episode we did with them, yes, and just to
Speaker 1: listen to their podcast in general. Yeah, something that I
Speaker 1: liked that the trope that this movie did adhere to
Speaker 1: was that many of the high school seniors are years old.
Speaker 1: That's just a trope I'll never get tired of. I
Speaker 1: love you know, It's like, all power to the child actors.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, you know, we're out here, we're twenty
Speaker 1: six years old, and we need people to think we're eighteen.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that the Billy Lord twenty six year old.
Speaker 1: Visibility it's seated was high. A couple other things I
Speaker 1: just wanted to point out because I thought they were
Speaker 1: funny or relatable. Amy does not do well on pot.
Speaker 1: I found that very relatable for me. I have a
Speaker 1: panic attack anytime I consume marijuana. So I was like,
Speaker 1: thank you, visibility it's important here. And then Molly has
Speaker 1: a crush on a guy that she does not want
Speaker 1: to have a crush on, And I also found that
Speaker 1: very relatable because like, yes, I there have been shitty men.
Speaker 1: Did you hear my gasp? I just went through all
Speaker 1: my trump I just let it all out right there?
Speaker 1: Did you have any one last quick little thing? I
Speaker 1: did enjoy the scene in the lift where their principle
Speaker 1: is pitching them his detective novel and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys would like this, which I feel like people
Speaker 1: say to me all the time, like knowing that we
Speaker 1: do this podcast, yeah, they're like he's like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a female detective who is pregnant, and every
Speaker 1: time she has a hunch, the baby kicks. And then
Speaker 1: he's like he's like, I haven't worked out what happens
Speaker 1: when she gives birth, but like that's where I'm at
Speaker 1: right now, and it's just like, oh, okay, a man
Speaker 1: trying to write a pregnant woman. You know, he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm an ally and like read a bug dork. But
Speaker 1: then the last real point that I have is that, yes,
Speaker 1: this movie, at the time of this recording hasn't been
Speaker 1: doing super well at the box office. It's gross fourteen
Speaker 1: million dollars. That I think is a complicated discussion though,
Speaker 1: because it was there. I think that there is like
Speaker 1: a weird that was just like that. That's what was
Speaker 1: part of the discourse around this movie, like in the
Speaker 1: Twitter discourse just like it kind of it kind of
Speaker 1: rubbed me the wrong way because I feel like it
Speaker 1: was sort of a cut and dry like see people,
Speaker 1: hey women. It's like, well, this movie was released at
Speaker 1: a weird time, like it was released. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know it was out. That's the problem, Like how can
Speaker 1: I see something if I don't know what exists? It was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the marketing was off. It was released between The Avengers,
Speaker 1: between Aladdin, between these don't do blockbusters. You don't like
Speaker 1: you can't do like a unfortunately like a feel good
Speaker 1: person driven story like during Yeah, just don't do it.
Speaker 1: It just seems like a silly business decision up with
Speaker 1: like high school graduation time. Sure, yeah, it didn't. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of like stuff that I've read because
Speaker 1: I do agree with the sentiment that it is. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like when you're a female director, it is harder
Speaker 1: to get a second opportunity to make a movie if
Speaker 1: your movie didn't absolutely kill it the first time, and
Speaker 1: that your work is just automatically held to a higher
Speaker 1: standard success. I totally agree with that. I think that
Speaker 1: it's a little bit it's little more complicated than it's
Speaker 1: been presented, and that if this movie had been released
Speaker 1: in like August, it may have performed if it was
Speaker 1: coming out in a less crowded like because there was
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion of like, well, Aladdin fu killed
Speaker 1: it at the box office, and I'm like no, but
Speaker 1: of course people are going to go see that just
Speaker 1: to see it, Like I remember, yeah, are you joking? Like,
Speaker 1: don't even call me when The Lion King is coming
Speaker 1: out in July, Like I'm like, I'm booking out for
Speaker 1: the entire month, Like I can't. Like I took a
Speaker 1: photo by Simba when I went to go see Endgame
Speaker 1: the other day, and I was like, lock it up,
Speaker 1: lock it up. I'm about to be Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what And that was that deal And that was like
Speaker 1: a bad look for a lot of people criticizing it
Speaker 1: because they're like, it's a movie with all white girls,
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, like Aladdin has a majority
Speaker 1: PC cast and it's like, no, that's not the hell
Speaker 1: to die on. Like it's just like the discussion around
Speaker 1: it was very weird. I wish it had done better
Speaker 1: at the box office, but I sort of understand why
Speaker 1: I didn't. Of course, like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of tough to hear this is a
Speaker 1: movie about women, and then women who are hearing the
Speaker 1: message don't see any women reflected in the cast. Right.
Speaker 1: It's not like I don't go see movies like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we match, I'll go watch No that it's not my standard,
Speaker 1: but it would be nice to see like a bouquet
Speaker 1: of kids in that movie, and we women didn't like
Speaker 1: young adolescent women didn't get that. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and it would have been so the movie is written
Speaker 1: in a way that there's no reason it wouldn't be that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so. Maybe it would have been too perfect to
Speaker 1: take it down a notch, have something to strive for
Speaker 1: in the second one. I get it. I get it. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: um what I will say. Though, Even though the box
Speaker 1: office numbers aren't great, the movie again at the time
Speaker 1: of this recording, has a nine seven percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 1: Which I think is encouraging and a you know, departure
Speaker 1: from what we've seen in the past, where you know,
Speaker 1: ten years ago, twenty years ago, where mostly male critics
Speaker 1: were would be reviewing female driven movies and hating them
Speaker 1: just because they were female driven. So it was at
Speaker 1: least encouraging to me to see that it has such
Speaker 1: a high score with critics, because that hopefully means things
Speaker 1: are changing a bit. Yeah, and I have no and
Speaker 1: I honestly I have no doubt that, like Olivia, I
Speaker 1: have such doubt. And yet in this case, I have
Speaker 1: no doubt. I have no doubt that Olivia Wilde will
Speaker 1: get to make another movie, which again is she's a
Speaker 1: famous white lady, h and so there is some privilege
Speaker 1: there too, Like I don't know, she'll get to make
Speaker 1: another movie, and I hope that she includes women of
Speaker 1: color in her next one. She will after the Twitter
Speaker 1: feed probably so it seems like she is reading the comments,
Speaker 1: and I was like, honestly, yes, and she's she's going
Speaker 1: to listen to this episode and she's gonna be like, Wow,
Speaker 1: the Bechel cast want women of color in the movie,
Speaker 1: but Vanessa is not allowed to audition. You're going to
Speaker 1: be the star of book Smart to the college version.
Speaker 1: That will be really fun. Melissa just texted me. She said,
Speaker 1: I think my favorite part of Book Smart was that
Speaker 1: everyone was excited to see them at the party. Was like,
Speaker 1: it's true. Everyone's like that. It's true. Though, like no
Speaker 1: one was like, oh the nerds came. Everyone was like,
Speaker 1: we've been waiting for this. It was such a supportive movement.
Speaker 1: We wish that was our high school. God. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that was all I had. Did anyone have any
Speaker 1: other final points? Check your hand that you've written on
Speaker 1: the thing that's making me really sad is towards the
Speaker 1: bottom I have don't trust, But I don't remember why
Speaker 1: I wrote it. I mean a good general rule. Oh
Speaker 1: is that? Oh that's because that's what Michael Brian's character
Speaker 1: says in the car to them. He's like, don't trust
Speaker 1: people because they like get into that car, and he
Speaker 1: like gives this whole monogue how scary people can be
Speaker 1: a queen and a psychic. Obviously, I like, because I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I'm probably have to email
Speaker 1: them later and be like I figured out what don't
Speaker 1: trust on my finger pad means? But we got it.
Speaker 1: It's also I mean, he's giving them very good advice,
Speaker 1: but then he turns out to be a I didn't
Speaker 1: see that coming. I mean, um, hey, does this movie
Speaker 1: pass the Bechtel test percent? Lots and lots. In fact,
Speaker 1: if I may just give a fun little easter egg,
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is. Um. In Amy's house,
Speaker 1: there's a sign on her bedroom door that says a
Speaker 1: Room of One's Own, which is the title of the
Speaker 1: extended essay by Virginia Wolf. That is partly what Alison
Speaker 1: Bechdel attributes the Bechtel test to. Nice. So a nice
Speaker 1: little Bechtel test tie in in the movie. Just I
Speaker 1: think they put that there for us. I think Olivia Wild,
Speaker 1: she's ready, Olivia Wild, come on the cast. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: have you any time. Come on. That's my new approach,
Speaker 1: shaming women into coming on the podcast. That's my offen.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, we've never had as many guests
Speaker 1: approaches ever. But yeah, this movie passes a million times
Speaker 1: between many, many different combinations of characters and strong strong
Speaker 1: showing a Betel test here. Let's rate the movie on
Speaker 1: our nipple scales zero to five nipples based on its
Speaker 1: representation of women. I think I'm gonna go. I want
Speaker 1: to say, like a four point to five. I think
Speaker 1: it does really well. In many regards. Where I'm docking
Speaker 1: it is the failure to represent women of color, the
Speaker 1: surprise kisses, which were tropes that should have been avoided.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's like, well, we're subverting it because
Speaker 1: it's women surprise kissing men in this movie. But an
Speaker 1: all female rebit of surprise kisses, I'm not on board.
Speaker 1: That should not be surprised. No genders should surprise kiss
Speaker 1: any other gender. Is yeah, just those few different things
Speaker 1: like that which were miss steps here and there that
Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan of. But overall, I think the
Speaker 1: movie does a pretty spectacular job. And I'll give it
Speaker 1: four point to five nipples, and I will give one
Speaker 1: to Beanie, one to Caitlin Deaver. Is that how you
Speaker 1: say it? She does? Her dad is Barney Dad. She
Speaker 1: give one to Barney, don't Barney's. And then I'll give
Speaker 1: one to Billy Lord, Carrie Fisher's daughter, and I'll give actually, no,
Speaker 1: I want to give one nipple to Jessica Williams, and
Speaker 1: I'll give my quarter nipple to Billy Lord. Sick. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give this, Oh, this is gonna be too mean.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it three point five though, um I especially,
Speaker 1: I mean even and I probably would have given it
Speaker 1: a little more before this discussion. But I feel that
Speaker 1: after talking about a little bit, like the only including
Speaker 1: white women is such a mistake and such a huge
Speaker 1: lost opportunity, especially like it bothers me when a movie
Speaker 1: really is selling itself as like the woke and then
Speaker 1: it raises all women of color like that is fucking
Speaker 1: stupid and annoying. I don't like that the only like
Speaker 1: women of color, they include they like subject to this
Speaker 1: shitty trope, the fat storyline, the fact that there's a
Speaker 1: predatory teacher at like all even think about her name
Speaker 1: is fine. Like I was like, yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: you guys are kind of like feeding this to me,
Speaker 1: like she's fine as fuck, and like okay, and I
Speaker 1: got hit the all female reboot of a predatory teacher
Speaker 1: another about that another election kind of thing, totally yeah,
Speaker 1: where it's like that that does that trope doesn't work
Speaker 1: when it's inverted. It just doesn't work. Ever, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's illegal. Um and and I own just
Speaker 1: like the lack of any sort of acknowledgement of class
Speaker 1: in a teen movie is something that always bugs me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'll do like three point seven five.
Speaker 1: We can the same way. I think maybe three point
Speaker 1: seven five, because there are the things that this movie
Speaker 1: gets right. It gets really right that l g B
Speaker 1: t Q representation is strong and and and good, and
Speaker 1: from what we can tell from people we've spoken to,
Speaker 1: is very reflective of that experience as a teen. The
Speaker 1: female friendship is incredible, and the lifting each other up,
Speaker 1: like the good stuff is really good, and the stuff
Speaker 1: that is off just doesn't make sense to me for
Speaker 1: the kind of and I think that like if there
Speaker 1: were more um there was, like not for white ladies
Speaker 1: writing and directing this movie, that they these are mistakes
Speaker 1: that could have been avoided. And and also uh like
Speaker 1: for privileged white ladies too, because I feel like it
Speaker 1: may not have occurred to any of these women to
Speaker 1: include someone of a different class just because they're reflecting themselves.
Speaker 1: So three point seven five from Little Jamie, I give
Speaker 1: one Beanie one to Caitlin one. Thank you so much. Jessica. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when do you Sinkalen Deever? No, no, she spells her
Speaker 1: name wrong. She spells it wild one. Jessica Williams, give
Speaker 1: me my point seven five to either Barney or Jared.
Speaker 1: I can't decide feminist icon Jared. I love that Jared
Speaker 1: was doing his best. I hope in college He's like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, Cheryl Samberg is not the feminist icon I
Speaker 1: was looking for. Anyways, he'll pick up bell Hooks his
Speaker 1: freshman year and we'll figure it out. Vanessa, Wow, Wow, guys, Okay. Um,
Speaker 1: I was like numbers, numbers. I started off a little
Speaker 1: higher and then I got a little bit lower. Um,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. Like, I think that's the
Speaker 1: thing that's so upsetting about this movie is like it's
Speaker 1: such a missed opportunity because they nail so many things
Speaker 1: that you don't expect to get out of a teen movie.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, to me, it's so much harder
Speaker 1: what they nailed that they forgot, Like just diversity, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm like. It's so like I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: they put so much time into developing the b characters
Speaker 1: and like all of that that they forgot, and like
Speaker 1: I don't want to give the four white ladies like
Speaker 1: I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: But sometimes it makes me wonder, like, how can you
Speaker 1: look at your main characters and be like this represents
Speaker 1: all women that It would make me want to step
Speaker 1: back and be like, do I understand what representation of
Speaker 1: women really means? You know? Honestly? Like that and the
Speaker 1: barbies like my biggest issues. I just wish that wasn't there. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that is my main issue with that.
Speaker 1: And then I also feel like, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: everything you guys said, I like lost some of it.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my hand and I'm forgetting. So I
Speaker 1: have to give out three point seven five nipples. Think
Speaker 1: I just really wanted to get to that part. It's
Speaker 1: a fun part. Yeah, it's bomb Okay. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give one nipple to their friendship because it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so pure. Um. I'm gonna give one nipple to
Speaker 1: Gigi's disappearing act because that bitch can teleport. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Was that disrepectful? She can like, I'm like women and
Speaker 1: that so she can do that. I think she's a
Speaker 1: time traveler. That's much. Yeah, she's the shape shifter. She Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like going in and out of the Star Wars Universe.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a nipple to the pool scene and
Speaker 1: the music because it really took me on a journey.
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to give my seven my point
Speaker 1: seven five to Alan's speech at the beginning of Mystery Party.
Speaker 1: If there were two, he would have been, they would
Speaker 1: have had four nipples. If he had had to If
Speaker 1: you had done that speech twice, it could have gone up.
Speaker 1: If Georgia just let him finish. I was like, he
Speaker 1: definitely gets a nipple. That also best. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite jokes in the movie is just like very subtle
Speaker 1: in the beginning when like they're all in the classroom
Speaker 1: and George is like, there's no spatial awareness at the school.
Speaker 1: I also love when he was like, I don't audition
Speaker 1: offers only it's like you're in a high school play.
Speaker 1: And the way that they got their their drama speach
Speaker 1: at the beginning where they're like, it's in the parking
Speaker 1: lot of a Whole Foods. Also, it was the play
Speaker 1: I did last summer at camp. I'm like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: is what drama kids are like. So I love them.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well, Vanessa, thank you so much. For
Speaker 1: being Thank you guys. This was like a delight. No,
Speaker 1: you guys are killing it. My brain cells are all activated.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. We're so like excited to have
Speaker 1: your anytime. If you guys ever need me back Miles
Speaker 1: Miles lives to see another day. Thanks Miles. Where is
Speaker 1: there anything you'd like to plug? And where can people
Speaker 1: fall you online? Let's see, I've got an episode of
Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom coming out in a couple of weeks. They
Speaker 1: put a bunch of fake tattoos on me. I loved it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I have this really cool show coming out in uh
Speaker 1: Fall with the funnier diet called The Coope. It's it's
Speaker 1: interactive so it's murder mystery and you have to help.
Speaker 1: Like it's choose your own affection. It's really dope. Reading
Speaker 1: the script was very confusing. I was like, I know, oh,
Speaker 1: it's choose your own adventure, got it. It's really it's
Speaker 1: creak and filming it was insane, but it's I've never
Speaker 1: laughed and broke character so many times because everyone was brilliant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I'm on Instagram Vanessa l Chester just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: This was a great, great day, so much fun. I
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Speaker 1: I need you guys like to let me have like
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Speaker 1: I was like, maybe the movie didn't perform all at
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Speaker 1: title and people hates Like if it was called movie smart,
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