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Speaker 1: On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start

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Speaker 1: changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Durante, my name

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Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftus, and weird book smart. The two of

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Speaker 1: us were really smart at books. See. I was struggling

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Speaker 1: to think of a way to start this episode as well,

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Speaker 1: and that was probably exactly what I would have said. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well and we know to read and we're and we

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Speaker 1: also a master's degree for crying out. Yeah. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: guys read a lot to do that. I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I would have really. I'm like, did I

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Speaker 1: really went deep into debt and got very depressed. You

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Speaker 1: don't need to read to know how to do that. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is it was brought to you by reading. Um.

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Speaker 1: So this is the Bechtel Cast. If you're a new listener,

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Speaker 1: this is our podcast where we talk about the way

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Speaker 1: that women are portrayed in popular movies. UM. We use

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Speaker 1: the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point for discussion.

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Speaker 1: But what is the Becktel test? What I mean? I

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Speaker 1: need someone with a master's degree to tell me, and

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Speaker 1: dogshit to tell you that. The Bechdel test is a

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Speaker 1: media test developed by cartoonist Alison Bechtel that requires that,

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Speaker 1: let's say a movie that you're looking at has two

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Speaker 1: They must speak to each other, and their conversation cannot

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Speaker 1: be about a man. Yes, you think it would be

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Speaker 1: not that hard, but a lot of movies don't do it.

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Speaker 1: Let me do a quick example. Yes, okay, Hey Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: what's up, Jamie? I am still so like struck by

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Speaker 1: the anime? Did knockoff of Titanic? We watched last night?

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Speaker 1: Me too, the Legend of Titanic. I had never heard

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Speaker 1: of it. We watched it. There's a giant octopus, but

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Speaker 1: and he holds the Titanic together and everyone when the

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Speaker 1: on It's at least as good as Book Smart. It's

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Speaker 1: at least it's not a little better. We watched it

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Speaker 1: right after we double featured Book in the Legend of

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Speaker 1: Titanic and Book Smart, for all of its merits, does

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Speaker 1: not have a gigantic octopus that rescues people. And that's

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Speaker 1: one of its fatal flaws, and that's really what the

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Speaker 1: discourse has been focused around. Well, that conversation came close

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Speaker 1: to passing the backtal disks until I brought up the octopus.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and the octopus is really phallic too. It's

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Speaker 1: like a baby doghead with eight dicks just shooting out

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Speaker 1: of it. It's so strong and throbby, it's gross. I

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Speaker 1: think you should let's bring move away from this conversation

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Speaker 1: and introduce our guest. How do I follow that? I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm really sorry about impossible. Like to follow. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: do a great job because I have two arms. I

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Speaker 1: think I'm already failing the voice you just heard. She's

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Speaker 1: an amazing human. She's an actor and you might know

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Speaker 1: her from such movies as a Little Princess, Jurassic Park,

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Speaker 1: Lost World, and Harriet the Spy. It's Vanessa Chester. Thank

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Speaker 1: and then if not, I mean, we can always blame

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Speaker 1: it on a friend of the show, Miles Gray, because

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Speaker 1: always take him out of this world. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: high school comedy. And I was like, that was is

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00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: a little weird because super Bad in no way celebrates

423
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: female friendship. But does she mean just it celebrates friendship

424
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: between two people between Yeah, just like a high school

425
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: friendship between dorks, which is true. Yeah, I mean also

426
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: both movies center around in the end of the year

427
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: senior in high school party. But like you were saying,

428
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: and that's like the big deception at the end of

429
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: like I'm actually doing this, Yester. Yeah, I'm like, I

430
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: now I want to sit down and like watch super

431
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: Bad again, because like Book Smart is so like fresh,

432
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: but I can. I mean, I own the super Bad DVD.

433
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll watch this once a year because

434
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: it's so funny, and then I stopped. Yeah, I mean,

435
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: we think other movies came out, right, We did a

436
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: Matreon bonus episode on on super Bad, so go back

437
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: and listen if you're a Matron. But so much fun

438
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: listening to you guys yesterday, like Blue Too through the

439
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: Apartment just like creating up, Like holy sh it. They

440
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: should have talked about the Clovers more like, oh my god,

441
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: that's episode I watched. Bring it on you guys if

442
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: you didn't want to listen to it, it's really great

443
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: with a plague. One of the huge differences between super

444
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Bad and Book Smart is that the messaging put forth

445
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: is like wildly different. Were like super Bad is like

446
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: steeped in toxic masculinity and like the character's motivations for

447
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: that movie is like they're trying to get alcohol to

448
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: take to the party, to feed it to the girls

449
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: who they like, so that they will have lowered inhibitions,

450
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: so that they will have sex with the boys. All

451
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: the things that people lie about doing today. They're like,

452
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: this is the plot of the movie. Yeah, and like

453
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: that it's like a funny, cute objective and it's like

454
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: it's so weirdrifying, it's so like rooted in that like

455
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: nerd entitlement trope that we come up a lot of,

456
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: like and it's like in John Hughes movies all the time,

457
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: but like the whole young man who has been sexually

458
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: rejected a lot or like doesn't fit in, who then

459
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: has to quote unquote resort to like physically abusing, lying

460
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: to and tricking women. Yeah, it's like I've got to

461
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 1: use sorcery in order to get what I want rather

462
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: than just like be me right, you know, like spells, vodka,

463
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: like lies, whatever, you know. Like thirty we have Mark

464
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: Ruffalo being a warlock and using rushing dust. He has

465
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: to do a whole complicated warlock some plot. But anyway, Yeah, so, um,

466
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: are there similar story beats in both movies? Yes, are

467
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: they totally similar shore, but there's fastest substance. What I

468
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: think is like cool is like it's it's weird because

469
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: I feel like any comparisons are sort of framed is

470
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: like it's the same movie, which it isn't. And it's

471
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: also just like I feel like indicates because it's been

472
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: like twelve years I think since Superbad came out, and

473
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, like the world has shifted at least a little,

474
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: and it's cool to see like kind of a similar framework.

475
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: It almost feels like a science experiment, like can we

476
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: make a better version of this general formula? And yes, yeah,

477
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: I like that. And that's that on Superman. So there's

478
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with this movie. My hand

479
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: is full, it is, the palm is ready. So I

480
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: mean largely it is a movie celebrating female friendship. We

481
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: don't get that in movies nearly enough. So that's and

482
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: like cool complicated female friendships because there's sometimes I feel

483
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: like kind of Merry Sewish female friendships where it's like

484
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: they get along all the time, they love each other

485
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: and they respect each other, which is great, but it's

486
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: like not really like they're exactly the same. That's why

487
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: they make they get like women who are different don't

488
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: get along. And it's like, no, they're They're not made

489
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: from the same mold, which is why it's so beautiful

490
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: that they are so obsessed with each other. That's how

491
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: me and my friends are. We're so different, but we're same, same, same,

492
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: not the same, you know, right, And it's like you see,

493
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 1: I like that. You see them in conflict with each other.

494
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: You see where they disagree on stuff. You can see

495
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: like one thinking that the other is like acting kind

496
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: of dome just like all this stuff that is actual friendships,

497
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: like when they when they get dressed and are wearing

498
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: the same things and are not upset about it. And

499
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: I was like wow. Also, I was like, where do

500
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: I find the jumpsuit because it's fanny Pack, Send me photo,

501
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: I'll find it. And literally, there's nothing I enjoy more

502
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: than finding like like an accessory or like a vintage

503
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: something online. I got you girl, Thank you so much,

504
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: fanny Pack. Clear my schedule. I gotta find back. They're

505
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: so different because we know so much about them because

506
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: the movie took care to develop both of these characters

507
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: enough that we understand their idiosyncrasies and all that stuff.

508
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: So very well done. I thought, yeah, I thought that

509
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: the friendship is great and complicated and good, and I

510
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: loved it. Indeed, there's a lot of similarly good sort

511
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: of just messaging that the movie puts forth, you know,

512
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: advocating for body positivity, sex positivity. You know, there's like

513
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: the scene where they turned into the dolls. I guess

514
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: I blocked it out until you brought it up. I

515
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: like forgot that it was part of the movie, Like

516
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: it was unnecessary. It felt weird. Like we watched this

517
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: with our friend friend of the cast, Melissa Lozada Oliva,

518
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: and she was like, this movie at times, like this

519
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: movie was written by four people, and it shows that

520
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: is such a good analysis because that, like that scene

521
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: felt like of all the tropes that this movie avoids,

522
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they could have avoided the drug scene.

523
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: It just like not that it's bad, it's just like

524
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: it just felt weirdly out of place. It feels tacked on.

525
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: I feel like it almost like, first of all, I

526
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: don't think it was necessary, but I feel like the

527
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: way that they executed it was just wrong. Like I

528
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: feel like I would have enjoyed being that the characters

529
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: were so developed and they had so many different little idiosyncrasies.

530
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: It would have been fun to see those idiosyncrasies come out.

531
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: Like I forgot that she was like, oh my god,

532
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: my mom loves me so much, and she's like I

533
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I forgot Whenever she said

534
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: she smokes, she thinks her mom's gonna die. And I

535
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: got super excited about that, and all of a sudden,

536
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: they were dolls, and I was like, it's just almost like,

537
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: you guys found a way, like do you guys, Have

538
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: you guys seen that episode of Broad City where they

539
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: do shrooms and it kind of reminds me of like

540
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: a water down version of that, but unnecessary. I think

541
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: what happened was that they wanted a way to like

542
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: talk about like body positivity, and they couldn't figure out

543
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: a way to like work it into the script organically.

544
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: So they're like, oh, maybe we'll just have them trip

545
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: and then they turn into like these Barbie dolls as

546
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: smart because that's what that function. That's what the scene

547
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: serves to do, is like them like, like, look how

548
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: unrealistic our bodies are, but also we kind of like

549
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: it look amazing. Oh my god. And she's like touching herself.

550
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: But at first it's like, wait, how do you even

551
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: stand up on this? Oh my gosh, my tops too

552
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: heavy and blah blah blah blah. My boobs are huge

553
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: and they're smooth. And I mean, there's some funny lines

554
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: in there that like hit of like her like momentary

555
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: like this body makes no sense but I'm so smooth.

556
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. It's funny, but it's just like, I

557
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: don't know, it's weird, Like, first of all, i'd rather

558
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: see Caitlyn diaver and being felt seen have that conversation

559
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: in persons, like it just felt weird that they're animated.

560
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: And then I don't like what in the middle of

561
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: this movie, Like not that I don't dislike the message,

562
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: but it's just like, why are they talking about how

563
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: barbies are disproportionate in the middle of this movie that

564
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with how barbies are portionate. It's

565
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: almost as if they had a checklist of things that

566
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: were like they should and they were like, we forgot

567
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: body positives, so we got to get that back, like

568
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: our woke list. Yeah, well glist. It doesn't feel like

569
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: that because there's all these other different things where like

570
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: there's a conversation about like gender performance versus sexual orientation

571
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: and how they're different and right, yeah, which at least

572
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: that fitting I mean a gender performance another thing for

573
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: me to learn and understand. But I'm so downing which

574
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: and most of the time, like the little like woke

575
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: moments that they fit in story, I thought like pretty effective.

576
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: The Barbie thing felt kind of like out of place.

577
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: It's like, I did, I agree with the point, but

578
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: like why is this? It's like the point doesn't hit

579
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: home if it doesn't like fit in with the story, right,

580
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: And it's like we don't really see those two characters

581
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: like struggle with their bodies that much in the narrative,

582
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: so it just feels it just felt like kind of

583
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: that is a good point because it doesn't seem like

584
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: they really care like about that, which we all do.

585
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, like that wasn't a focus,

586
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: like a focal point for either of them. Right. There's

587
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: only one brief moment where Molly Beanie Feltine's character says

588
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: something like, oh, Nick isn't ever gonna like me back

589
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: because he only talks to girls who look like Triple A,

590
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: and then Amy slaps her across the face right, being like,

591
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: don't you ever say anything which do that to a friend.

592
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: I literally was like okay, so this is gonna get weird,

593
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: and she's like whine. I was like, if you were

594
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: someone else and you just said that about you, I

595
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: was like, I cussed that person out. So do you

596
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: really think I'm gonna sit here and let you talk

597
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: about yourself and be like yeah, that's great, Like what

598
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? Support you? Which means I'm

599
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: also knocking you down or like be a friend and

600
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: check you. And I was like, you can't say that

601
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: in front of me because you're essentially talking about my

602
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: friend in front of me, which is you, which is

603
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: when I saw it, I was like, I've done that.

604
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I didn't slap her, but like

605
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: if we have another round, it's like if you keep

606
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: it up, no, it's common. But other than that brief moment,

607
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: we see them like building each other up, and like

608
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: they look at each other and their outfits and they're saying,

609
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: you're so fucking beautiful, like look amazing. There's so much

610
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: like and the focal point is more their personalities then

611
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: their bodies at every point because it's like they call

612
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: her a butter personality. They're worried about the classmates perceived

613
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: them personality wise, which they feel good about the way

614
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: they're made. Like they're like, we look hot, we look cool,

615
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 1: We've got fanny pegs. It's just our personalities that which

616
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: I think is another great strength of movie, because like

617
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: Molly is plus size, but it's like so normalized. There's

618
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: no like there's you don't see anyone like calling her

619
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: fat or like commenting on her body. And aside from

620
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: that one comment, you know, she seems perfectly comfortable in

621
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: her own skin and like, which is like teen movies

622
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: need characters like that because there are girls who are

623
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: like I don't care about the fucking norm Like I

624
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: like the way I look. Yeah, And it's like usually

625
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I feel like in teen movies like this, if someone

626
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: is mothered in any way, that has to be the

627
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: focal knowledge. Yeah, it's like she's like like I remember

628
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: like the running joke, it's like she's the nerd of

629
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: the high school until you take her glasses off and

630
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: she's beautiful. Like and I say that as someone who

631
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: was in she's all that okay, So that all nineties

632
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: movies like her hair straight and she's beautiful. It's like

633
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: we everard that movie on the podcast So Testament two

634
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: women threatened to kill each other. I don't even know

635
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: where to go from that. Yeah, that's great, We've got

636
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: the movie sending messages of body positivity. And then on

637
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: that same vein like I feel like if you see

638
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: usually in a movie where you see a character who

639
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: looks like Molly, she wouldn't have a romantic interest, or

640
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: if she does have a crush on someone, it's unrequited,

641
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: and if she were to talk to that person, like

642
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: she'd be really like flustered and nervous and like not

643
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: good at talking to like a crush. But like the

644
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: flirt game is good, so forward and like the whole

645
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: like God, the teenagers talking to each other about Harry

646
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: Potter houses. I'm like, you guys are such losers, but

647
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: it's so cute, which is I think what I love

648
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: the most about the two women is like they were

649
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: normally grounded in themselves, like they knew exactly who the

650
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: funk they were, and they're like women who are thirty

651
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: who don't So it's so dope. You guys can't see

652
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: my arms up. But it's like crazy because it's like

653
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: you guys are barely like stepped into the world in

654
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: high school, which is like ruthless. You guys are firmly

655
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: grounded in who you are and like unapologetic because you

656
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: have nothing to apologize for in the first place, right,

657
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: And that's so like I've seen a few criticisms that

658
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: are like, well, teenagers aren't actually like that, and you're like, well,

659
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: no fucking do. Teenagers aren't actually like that most of

660
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: the time. But this is like the kind of movie

661
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, you're looking for, like as a teenager,

662
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: like people to model yourself after. And so if you

663
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: see it's also like because you weren't in your friends

664
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: or it doesn't mean they don't exist, like they're probably

665
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: like sure, I'm like, were you like super bad? No?

666
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: Shut up? Like there there are so many like cool

667
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: example characters that like I wish I had seen when

668
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: I was a teenager. And something I really liked about

669
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: this movie is the that I think deviates for I'm

670
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: like the teen movie like general formula, is that it

671
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: gives attention and care to its like b characters, yeah

672
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: only show up in a few scenes, but pretty much

673
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: everyone is fleshed out. My favorite example of that is

674
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Triple A. I loved Triple as character. She is framed

675
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: at the beginning as sort of like a teen movie

676
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: trope of like she's the quote unquote slutty hot girl

677
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: and then the mean girls. Yeah, because she's insulting Molly

678
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: in their gender neutral bathrooms and high school, which is

679
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: great but also bad for Molly in that case because

680
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: boys are talking about her outside of the bathroom. And

681
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to interrupt, but I just saw this

682
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: like the things that you notice as actors. We see

683
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: like either like that one extra who's doing too much

684
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: in the background or blah blah blah, you know, like

685
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: I love that person who's like whoa, whoa, how fights

686
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: happening in the restaurant. I'm like that guy. That guy

687
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: don't stop looking at it. But did you look at

688
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: like the like graffiti on the walls. It was like

689
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: I was, but it was like the most beautiful writing.

690
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, Like the set director was like,

691
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: don't don't mess with the paint too much, Like I

692
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: was like, this is so perfect, so perfect. I'm sorry.

693
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: I totally just like I thought of the Herpedian was

694
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: like that ship is such a set serfecter doing good work. Yes,

695
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: but Triple A she loved her. I loved her because

696
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: then she immediately in the space of she's presented as

697
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: this sexually promiscuous mean girl. And then in that same scene,

698
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: Molly you know, goes out to stand up for herself

699
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: and is pretty rude and it's just like, well, you

700
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: guys aren't going to good schools. And then it turns

701
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: out that like smashing it, Yeah, I didn't see that coming,

702
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: is also going to Yale, and like she just totally

703
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: subverts everything that you learned about her. And then there's

704
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: another scene with her and Molly at the end where

705
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: Triple A gives Molly ride home and says basically like

706
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: she was called like the hand job queen or something,

707
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: and because yeah, she gave roadside assistance to men and like,

708
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: which is more clever than any teenager. But like sure,

709
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, I remember my nicknames. They were

710
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: never like oh wow, you actually are witty, Like it

711
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: was just like you're an idiot. Like I totally identified

712
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: with Triple A in like elementary school or not elementary

713
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: woe that would be like, let's learn about my childhood,

714
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: um junior high because like I was the little girl

715
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: with huge lips and so all the boys started calling

716
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: me DSL and you can figure out what they would

717
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, Vanessa's got that high speed internet.

718
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: And I was like what And then I was like, oh,

719
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: you guys are so fucking stupid. But I was like,

720
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm fifteen, that's never happened. Like I

721
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: identified with Triple A. I'm like, everyone's like she's the

722
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: social one who parties, but I was like, I have

723
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: a four point one I'm going to USC and that

724
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: was like what Triple A does. At the end, she

725
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: like says basically she's like, yeah, I've had sex before,

726
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: and like she's very like sex positive about the way

727
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: she presents herself. And she's like that people have the

728
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: wrong idea about me. I've literally just given people rides

729
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: home and then boys will like lie about like what

730
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: I've done with them. But she does say she's done. No,

731
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 1: but she goes, this is why guys say I've given

732
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: roadside assistance because I picked them up. And she goes

733
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: and yeah, like and I've also given I'm also blue

734
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: them but like it's not like I came over to do,

735
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: which I was like, hilarious, Like I didn't. I almost

736
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: thought that they weren't going to say that, which I

737
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: thought would have been awesome. But I also like the

738
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: fact that she's like, no, I did do that, but like,

739
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: does that because at the stake for it, like and

740
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: then like it doesn't mean that she's stupid and it

741
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that she's not going to be And then

742
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: like I don't know the way she and Molly sort

743
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: of reconcile at the end, I'm like, Oh, they're going

744
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: to be like roommates, and like that's so much fun

745
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: to see. I want that movie to backpedal a little

746
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: further on her storylines. So before we even meet her

747
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: on screen, um, Molly and Amy are talking about her

748
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: and call her Triple A, and Molly participates in this

749
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: what's essentially like a sledge shaming right name, and Amy's like,

750
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: don't call her that, and Molly's like, well, it's true,

751
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: like she gave this roadside assistance. And then later when

752
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: Molly's in the car with her Triple A, who's I

753
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: don't remember what what her actual name is, Annabelle, she

754
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: does this whole thing where it's like, you know, I

755
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: understand the guys calling me that, but it really hurt

756
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: when the girls would call it me that, Like she

757
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: I guess assumed there would be exactly um, so she was.

758
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: She was upset that the girls were calling her Triple

759
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: A too, and then Molly's like, oops, I did that.

760
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: And then but then she's like Amy never called you that,

761
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: And which is what I also like to is like

762
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not this is like a

763
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: belief that is widely held, but I feel like there's

764
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: something where people don't get that women can also be

765
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: like funny and prey the and sociable and smart, like

766
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: we can do that, we can do both, we can

767
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: have it all, and they also be funny, Like yeah,

768
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: it's just wild, all of the possibilities. I guess I

769
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of misunderstood that final scene with Triple A and

770
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: Molly because I I the way I interpreted it was

771
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: that yeah, she had like blown or given hand jobs

772
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: to like some of the guys, but not all of them.

773
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: And like what resonated with me that I guess didn't

774
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: happen in that scene was that like there are times

775
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: where like high school boys will overestimate what they did

776
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: with a girl, which I thought wasn't which wasn't really

777
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: like a point I see like addressed by the girl

778
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: in a lot of movies, and so I guess, yeah,

779
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: that didn't wish that that would happen. She basically happens.

780
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: She just essentially admits like, yeah, the things you heard

781
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: about me, Yeah, I did give some blow jobs, but

782
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: it's because like I wanted to and I wanted to

783
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: enjoy myself, like and she refuses to be slight shamed

784
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: for her activity, which is great. Yeah, And then there's

785
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: a few other like things that are like, you know,

786
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: promoting sex positivity in this movie that I really enjoyed,

787
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: which is like just the friends encouraging each other to

788
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: like explore their sexuality. Um, you know, Molly' is like, oh,

789
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: I want you to like kiss a girl Amy finally,

790
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. We see them talk about masturbation

791
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: and like share masturbation stories. They watch porn together. Oh

792
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: my gosh, what I so did with like my best

793
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: friend of just like let's let's figure this out. We

794
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: have access like duh, hasn't before, like private browsers, so

795
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: we were just like fuck it. Let's get in there

796
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: on desktops like, I don't know, do you know? Okay, well,

797
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: what is how do you google? You can literally like

798
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: google sheer tights and everything will come up, like you know,

799
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: like you don't even have to try hard. Uh. And

800
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: then another moment I liked along that same vein was

801
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: there's a rumor that has been spread around about Jared

802
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: and how he lost his virginity to when he was

803
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: fourteen to a sex worker, which is language that I've

804
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: never heard in a movie, like someone say the word

805
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: sex worker, which things yeah. And then later on Jared

806
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: reveals that he didn't have sex with a sex worker.

807
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: He didn't He's never had sex with anyone, which he's

808
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: like not ashamed to admit. He tells this two of

809
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: those girl that he has a crush on, He's just like, yeah,

810
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: I have not fucked, and I'm okay, that's hot Jared.

811
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: I love the fact that when they're talking about his rumor,

812
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: she's like, this is too crazy of a rumor to

813
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: not be true. And I literally was like, because like

814
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: I've I've I've just accepted that to like who would

815
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: make that up? But it's like a lot of people

816
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: made a lot of people. Yeah, I mean, and Jared

817
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: is like another one of those like sort of be

818
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: characters that you end up getting that full arc with

819
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: where I feel like, if this movie was made ten

820
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: years ago, that would just be the joke, like the

821
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: like we don't really pay attention to him, but we

822
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: like that he has a lot of money, right, eccentric

823
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: rich kid, slut shamed girl like that those would have

824
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: been the one note. But this movie like does a

825
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: really good job of like giving them their own moment

826
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 1: in the sun without it being too much. Yeah, it's cool.

827
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: And then like Hope, who is the hot girl who

828
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: Amy huks up with in the bathroom, Like we get

829
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: to see her a second time, and she's not just

830
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: sort of like put in the like random hot girl.

831
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: Like I feel like in a different movie girl, she

832
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: would have been mean or she like but she is

833
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of mean. She was met at the beginning scene,

834
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: like I remember like seeing her and just being like, oh,

835
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: she's going to be a pain in the ass all movie.

836
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: And then she was back at the end and but

837
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: then she kind of resolves at the where she's just

838
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: like hey, Hope. But then in the bathroom even she's

839
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: just like, you fucking idiot, you're crying in a bathroom.

840
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't like meek people. And then that prompts Amy

841
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: to a surprise kiss her, which there's two surprise both

842
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: of the protagonists of this movie. And Beanie felt seems

843
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: surprised because I was, truly I was like, where did this?

844
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that they set up her and Jared,

845
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: but like that kiss at the end, You're like, this

846
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: is very Sadden. Yeah, there's two surprise kisses in this movie.

847
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: Uh so you know we're not all the way there.

848
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: There's still surprised kisses and a predatory teacher. Yeah, those

849
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: are some of the things that I didn't care for.

850
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: Let's let's take a quick break and then we'll come

851
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: back for more hot discourse. And we're back. Let's talk

852
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: about Jessica Williams. We're going to negatives, or let's go

853
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: into some negatives, because there are a few. This is

854
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: not a perfect movie. God, I just like Jessica Williams

855
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: is so funny, like in the first half of her

856
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: scenes when we see her at school, and then when

857
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: we even when we see her like pick up the girls,

858
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, like you should go to a

859
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: party like I wish I had because and then she

860
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: talks about that ship was hilarious at the sensation that

861
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: was so funny. And then I feel like the movie

862
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: kind of like sells her character out and kind of

863
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: make and they make her a predatory teacher, which doesn't

864
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: seem like the character we met at the beginning of

865
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, there's THEO is his name, who failed

866
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: seventh grade twice, so he's older, he's twenty, which they go.

867
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: I feel like the movie tries to get a pass

868
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: by stating that several times, and they're like, we're not

869
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: making it like weird, like but you're still at like

870
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: you're still fired, like you're out of best guess is

871
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: like they're making another attempt to like subvert a trope

872
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, look, how cool it is that

873
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: an older woman gets with a younger man, because we

874
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: don't see that that much. The problem is that power dynamic,

875
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: power dynamic exactly. It is also being at your students party.

876
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: You're fired, You're fine. There's all these other probably underage kids,

877
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: they're they're all drinking like you're like cool, this is yeah,

878
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: make sure your homeworks in on Monday. And don't take

879
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: that jello like what Like, I just feel like like

880
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: when she was driving off, you could like see in

881
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: her mind her thinking about possibly going to the party,

882
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: and I was just hoping it didn't happen. And there

883
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: was no reason for her to happen, because it's not

884
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: like we saw them hooking up or anything like yeah, yeah,

885
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: it was so I mean that was another thing that

886
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: I think is like this movie was written by four people,

887
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: and this movie, the first draft of this movie was

888
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: written ten years ago, so the first there's four everyone

889
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: credited on this on the screenplay as a woman, but

890
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: the first draft was written in two thousand and nine

891
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: by Emily Halpern and Sarah Haskins, So that to me

892
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: felt like some first draft ship. Oh yeah. And I

893
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: feel like two thousand nine was at the hilt of

894
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, students and teachers are hooking up like yeah,

895
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, let's do a little twist on

896
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: this that's like ultimately misguided and doesn't help the story

897
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: and just is a waste of Jessica Williams and I

898
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: mad about it. And to be honest, like there were

899
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: no brown women in that movie, Like there were no

900
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: like this. That's the thing that drove me insane about

901
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: this movie. I think it did such a great job

902
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: of showing high school men in every light, and we

903
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: only had white high school girls. Yes, it was a

904
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: huge missed opportunity. Like and here's the thing is, like

905
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: I always think about that when I think about representation

906
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: in movies, like okay, Like you know, you get a

907
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: script or an audition and it'll say, like Vanessa twelve

908
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: to fifteen. I've never I'm never going to play that

909
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: age right now, but you get what I'm saying. And

910
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: I'll either say like African American or all ethnicity, And

911
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: so I wonder what this like, was it specified all

912
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: ethnicity and these girls just happened to be the best,

913
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: which they were fucking awesome, Like I won't take that

914
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: away from them. Or was it one that was specifically Caucasian?

915
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, there's so many Like to me, none

916
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: of the actual girls in the high school, their personalities

917
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: weren't specific to a culture. Sure, so they could have

918
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: been any culture, you know what I mean? Like I

919
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 1: would say, like, what is uh not Beanie's character Amy Amy?

920
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: Like okay, so we saw her parents, I understand that,

921
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: but like Beanie, Like Beanie could have been like a

922
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: mixed race easily because we never saw her parents, you know,

923
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: like any of the g a, any of those girls

924
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: could have been Asian, Hispanic. Like the dude who hooked

925
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: up with Jessica Williams was Mexican. He says that he's Mexican. Mean,

926
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: there's two Asian dudes. We've got two gay guys, we've

927
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: got two black dudes. Like there's so much diversity in

928
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: the high school meant and you, I didn't see myself

929
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: so bizarre like that is I feel like one of

930
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: the big I was so confused by that of this movie. Yeah,

931
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: the representation from male high schoolers is they nailed it

932
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: over the place they nailed it and who knows what

933
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: the actual process was. But this is a movie that

934
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: was directed by a white ladies, written by four white ladies,

935
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: and that shows in the way that like, I mean,

936
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: they're representing themselves. And that's unfortunate because it's like, I

937
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: don't know any white girls who went to high school

938
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: with only white girls, like and if they did, they

939
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: were like ship, dude, I had to like figure it out,

940
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: like I like it was because of where I lived,

941
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, like but in most cities, and that seemed

942
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: to be like an l A or a New York

943
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: or something like that, like a diverse group of classmates

944
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: they're in they're in l A. Like and and especially

945
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: like the male population of the school is diverse, why

946
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: would the female population not. Like I literally was like

947
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: there was not one woman of color besides mis fine, right, yeah, no,

948
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: that's insane. And that is like the one thing that

949
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: does kind of bother me about the discussion that is

950
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: surrounded this movie is that Olivia Wilde has come out

951
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: quite a bit, and like rightfully so in a lot

952
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: of ways, being like this is a movie for women,

953
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: like we we need people to go see this movie,

954
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: and like she's really been pushing it and saying like,

955
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, like everyone has to see this movie or

956
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: women can't make movies anymore, which you know, like I

957
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: understand where she's coming from, where it's like it's hard

958
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: for women to get second chances. And the same thing

959
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: with the black meniti there, like it takes twenty years

960
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: to get funded and then Black Panther came out and

961
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: now we're good. Yeah, thank you so much, Marvel. But

962
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: she I mean but she's only representing like white women

963
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: and her movie, and that's a legitimate complaint that I

964
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: don't think that she is really addressed or taken and stride.

965
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: And that's why I was like trying to think of

966
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: it outside of like, so, what are the possibilities that

967
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: could have landed in this way? Like is it all ethnicity?

968
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: Then these girls, like I get it, Like you see

969
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: someone You're like, I wanted it to be a black person,

970
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: but this girl nailed it, Like that's g G. You know,

971
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: Like so I understand like that, but I'm also like, really,

972
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: there so many talented color who could have been cast, like,

973
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: don't sense it's not the Well. The other thing too,

974
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: is that a lot of the like top build actors

975
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: are white. Because you've got Jason Sudeikis, Will Forte, Lisa Crudro,

976
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: they're hardly in the movie at all, but they got

977
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: top billing because they're famous people. And then they're all

978
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: still white. And then yeah, I mean the classmates and

979
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: the fact that they're all white women. They could have

980
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: done so much, And I just feel like sometimes you

981
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: don't need to justify why someone is a different race,

982
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: because no one really justifies whiteness in films, it's just

983
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: like that is it is, it is. It's so much

984
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: else in this movie is very normalized, like the queerness

985
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: body like it's all very normal. And then like you

986
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: could have just introduced many characters who are women of

987
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: color and also had that just be normal, and then

988
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: they just didn't do everywhere. And it's like with the

989
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: casting thing, it's just like if you can't find like

990
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: a woman of color who is super funny and in like,

991
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: you're just not looking hard enough. Like it's just it's

992
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: just like if if that they ever came back with,

993
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: like well they just it's like, no, you just weren't

994
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: looking hard enough and you weren't and that's like an

995
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,479
Speaker 1: insult to like every woman of caller who's an actor

996
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: who's like bomba and I'm like, okay, the what was

997
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: her name? Hope I could have justified or validated her

998
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: being like anything, Like she could have been half Native American,

999
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: she could have been this. She doesn't had to be hot,

1000
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: but we just didn't know, like I have no idea

1001
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: what her ethnicity is. But at the end of the day,

1002
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 1: she could still fall in like slightly olive white girl

1003
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: with brown hair, like you know what I mean, I

1004
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: just wish that there was something, especially because the boys

1005
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: they were more diverse, like and there were less white

1006
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: boys than there were brown boys boys. And then George, yes, uh,

1007
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: it's very and Melissa pointed out when we were watching

1008
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: as well, she's like the only brown woman who's even

1009
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: mentioned is Rosa Parks when they're like listing off their

1010
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: list of heroes. That was another thing that was like,

1011
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of a thing, but it's just like in Malala,

1012
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: I guess brown girls are there. Then they also mentioned

1013
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: Susan be Anthony, who was extremely racist. Never there there

1014
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: and like the way I don't know, like I know,

1015
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: a weird white feminism thing, like what there I mean,

1016
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: even the way they say it. No, I mean it's

1017
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: like there is the way that their rooms were designed,

1018
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: I was like annoying, which I hate to say, but

1019
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: but there is like very like their their rooms were

1020
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: given up white feminism hard where it was like framed

1021
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: pictures of Ruth Baygenberg and like but like it was

1022
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: like pussy hat feminism where it was just like vaguely

1023
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: consumer and which which I know is just like sort

1024
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: of shorthand for like these woke young white girls. But

1025
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, I was how we all

1026
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: felt about Lena Dunn. I'm saying that, like, you know,

1027
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: I was rolling my eyes at the set, like the

1028
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: way they presented of like you know, wearing like pussy patches.

1029
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sure if I were a high schooler

1030
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, I would I would do that to

1031
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: an extent. But I was like, man, there's like, wait,

1032
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: the pussy patches thing, I don't remember that she just

1033
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: had she had like different patches of like vaginas, and

1034
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: she had like vagina posters in her room. So I

1035
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: totally didn't see that. The set to time, it was

1036
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: like it was very pussy hat feminism, which I'm like

1037
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: always vaguely annoyed by because it's vague nothing there's another

1038
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: do it. There's also some you know, like trans erator

1039
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 1: with that kind of stuff. But there's another um moment

1040
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: where I was like this is everything. Like there's another

1041
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: moment where um, like the white privilege really comes through

1042
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: where Amy there's like a video of her getting arrested

1043
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: and she makes a joke about not having a gun.

1044
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: She like call She's like a call shotgun and then

1045
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: she's like just kidding, I don't have one. And it's like,

1046
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: because you're a white girl, that had no consequences, but

1047
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: if you were brown or black, like you would have

1048
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: probably been shot. So okay, as the brown one at

1049
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: the table, I didn't even think of that. Thank you

1050
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: so much for bringing that up, like like, and that's

1051
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: the thing that's crazy to me sometimes. It's like sometimes

1052
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: those things are so normalized to me, like, oh, she

1053
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have to deal with that, Like if it had

1054
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: been a brown roy I'd be like, oh, like because

1055
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 1: it would be me, like I know, yeah, wow yeah.

1056
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: And then like by extension of that, like if she

1057
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: was that extremely arrested, the fact that it's that easy

1058
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: for her to get out is very I was saying that,

1059
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was like, don't even bring it up.

1060
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: But I was like where her parents, Like they were

1061
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: so involved, but no one gives a ship now like

1062
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: and then I was like she was out within a day.

1063
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: Like we've all had a friend who had to spend

1064
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: a night in jail. It's not that easy, Like you

1065
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: have to tell their parents, Like you have to tell her. Yeah, yeah,

1066
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: that was like a weird thing. I mean, and then

1067
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: something I wanted to bring up quickly that was, like

1068
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: I think, I think my last negative feeling about this movie.

1069
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was the lack of like in

1070
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: the same way that there's like a lack of self

1071
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,479
Speaker 1: awareness about like the white feminism that's present in this movie,

1072
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: there's also a complete lack of self awareness with class,

1073
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: which I think is like such a teen movie thing

1074
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: and a children's entertainment thing in general, that like this,

1075
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's room to comment on it in this movie.

1076
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: There in Los Angeles, there's such a wide array of

1077
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: like classes present in the city, and this movie is

1078
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: like like most teen movies, it's about upper middle class

1079
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: kids who there is no I mean, especially where it's

1080
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: like the discussion is they're getting ready to go to college,

1081
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: which is like the most devastating financial commitment, like people

1082
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: who are not in a position for their parents to

1083
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: pay for their school. It's just weird that it's completely

1084
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: not press that would have been cool, like if there

1085
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: was like a kid who was like down and out

1086
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: like or like, I feel like they did such a

1087
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: good job of taking the secondary characters and giving them

1088
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: a moment in the sun. They could have easily taken

1089
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: one of those guys and like added that in, you know,

1090
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: like whatever it may be. Like maybe it took him

1091
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: two years to plead high school because he was helping

1092
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: the family with a part time job or something like that.

1093
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Maybe that's why THEO failed

1094
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: seventh grade so many times. Yeah, because he was like,

1095
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: I gotta keep the lights on. I mean, I liked

1096
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: the fact that he's going to go be a coder

1097
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 1: at Google, but like that, I mean, there are times

1098
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: a charm. I'm like, this guy, these kids are so

1099
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: damned community. That's like I'm like that is like the

1100
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: like coder prodigy character like that, but the I mean,

1101
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: just in general, I think that there's just like in

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01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: most teen movies I watched growing up, there was like

1103
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: no one from like my class reflected, and so it's

1104
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: like where are the poor kids? Like right, because I

1105
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: was a poor kid in a super rich high school

1106
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: and I was like wait, so like I remember coming

1107
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: to school with a guess bag and like it has

1108
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: the same triangle as the product triangle and they were

1109
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: all like, oh, it's guess and I was like, but

1110
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: it's still whole. Ships also a fancy brand or am

1111
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: I just not PC people? Okay? They were like, oh

1112
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: you bore. Then I was like I begged my mom

1113
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: for this. What you talking about? My chapstick is in here,

1114
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm killing it. Like I don't feel sorry for me there.

1115
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: I just want there to be teen movies where teenagers

1116
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: are wearing their cousins clothes. Like that was like where

1117
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: is that? I mean? And that's just like something that

1118
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: this movie doesn't really because all these movies need there

1119
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: was there was a really good Twitter threat I wish

1120
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: I had the name of the user. Then found like

1121
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: the scene where the like girl goes, you know, dives

1122
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: into an in ground pool and it's all in her

1123
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: feelings in these teen movies and like I didn't go

1124
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: into like an in ground pool till I was like twenty,

1125
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: like there is where but yeah, the like girl and

1126
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: her feelings and the in ground pool shot is it's

1127
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: becoming I mean I do have pool scene written down

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01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: on here. Yes, but mostly because one thing that I

1129
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: loved about this movie was the music. I love the music.

1130
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: The music supervisor nailed it, like really helped me get

1131
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: into the emotions like and here's the thing. Even though

1132
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm like an actor, I am such an audience member,

1133
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: like I like, I'm like, I'm all the way in.

1134
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would be great at any test audience

1135
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm going to feel the moment, like

1136
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: when she saw them underwater Ryan and guy who I

1137
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: can't remember that Nick. Yeah, I was like, we've I

1138
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: don't know about you guys. That's happened to that's happened

1139
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: to me where I've seen the dude I like kissing

1140
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: a girl at a party, and I thought that we

1141
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: were like on our way to like crush status. God. Yeah,

1142
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: Can Fidler. Yeah, the music is from I've never heard

1143
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: of this artist, but Dan the automator, Daniel Nakamura. He's like,

1144
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: I guess he's a famous San Francisco and he artist

1145
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: he did the whole score. Yeah. Yeah. The music supervisor

1146
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: who like did the soundtrack to was also point I

1147
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: do like that they had the library scene too. I

1148
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: do want it. I wanted to point that out because

1149
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: I was like, they talk about how smart they are

1150
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: the entire time, and I'm glad that they actually showed

1151
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: them like get down to business at they're great at

1152
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: And I love a good montage of like there's an okay.

1153
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: One thing that a trump at this movie avoided that

1154
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate was like there was no like clothes trying

1155
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: on montage where it's like we're going to a party,

1156
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: we've got to find the best off it. Instead, they

1157
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: have a self defense montage where they're like teaching themselves

1158
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: self defense, which was in like you want to be

1159
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: friends with those girls, which is awesome. Yeah, there's some

1160
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: goofy and fun. The other thing that this movie avoided

1161
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: that I noticed was there's so many teen movies that

1162
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: ends in prom. This did not end in prom. It

1163
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: ended I mean, but I think that that is again

1164
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: like super Bad also, I mean I think that that

1165
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: is that might come from like kind of the mold

1166
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: that they're they're pulling from a little bit is like

1167
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: they're making a movie that has mainly been taken up

1168
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: by male characters before and they're making it a woman's

1169
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: story because I feel like, yeah, there's so many I

1170
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: feel I'm like there was a draft of Book Smart

1171
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: that ended in from and not what we're discussing. Yeah,

1172
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 1: but it's cool because it ends in graduation, which makes

1173
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: sense because their academics and then and then when the

1174
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: car pulls into the football field, you're like, yes, it's

1175
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: so exciting. That was exciting. Although, Grandma Caitlin here, one

1176
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: of the things I didn't care too much about this

1177
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: movie is that it makes irresponsible driving seem cool and

1178
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: fun because they were like driving like a bat out

1179
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: of hell. There was so much. All of your parents

1180
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: are away right now, and you know teams are going

1181
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: to see that, and they're going to think I should

1182
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: drive like that, and they're going to cause an accident anywhere.

1183
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: I cancel on you. I mean, I was fine with

1184
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: their driving. They were driving a car with flames on it.

1185
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna drive that. It's true. My boyfriends driving

1186
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: a truck with flames on it right now, and you

1187
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: know we were making bad decisions on the highway. We're

1188
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: driving a truck with flames. I don't care if I die.

1189
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: If I die, I'm dying in a truck with flames.

1190
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: Hopefully it doesn't happen, but I'll be like, that's what

1191
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: she wanted, you guys. So she's fucking resting in peace.

1192
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: She's resting in flames. By yes, please put ari I

1193
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: f on my two stone. Resting in it also implies

1194
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: that's fine. Another big discussion that we should cover is

1195
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: the representation of queerness in this movie. Yes, we talked

1196
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: to our friends Ellie Bridgeta and Lee Holmes Foster Or

1197
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: on our deb's episode of the Let's Hangout podcast. They're

1198
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: wonderful and they kindly, uh. We asked for their perspective

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01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: on how they felt about how queerness was represented in

1200
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: the movie, and they gave us truly wonderful, comprehensive thoughts

1201
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: that we would like to share. Ye. Should we just

1202
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: go back and forth on the on the boy first

1203
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: point is book Smart subverts LGBTQ tropes and gives us

1204
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: a lesbian lead character, Amy, who has already been out

1205
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: for two years at the start of the movie. She

1206
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: is confident in her sexuality and knows she likes girls.

1207
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: Her best friend is supportive, even encouraging her to lose

1208
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: her lesbian virginity with a joke about scissoring, which could

1209
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: be cringeworthy except for the subsequent exchange with Amy claiming

1210
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: that quote lesbians don't scissor and Molly arguing don't knock

1211
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: it till you try it, which a is totally valid

1212
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: and b is some sort of meta humor given that

1213
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: Beanie Feldstein is dating a woman in real life, which

1214
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: I did not realize that. Yeah cool. Next point, Amy's

1215
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: parents are also supportive of her without question and skipping

1216
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: Amy's coming out story, we instead get to focus on

1217
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: Amy as a person and get to see the high

1218
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: school experience we've seen in every straight high school movie

1219
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: ever from an out lesbian high school experience, which totally

1220
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: agree with. Again, in the same way that, like Beanie

1221
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: Feldstein's body doesn't become her story, like Amy's sexuality doesn't

1222
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: become her door. Yeah. Both again very normal co stars

1223
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: to who they are. Yeah, they're so comprehensive. Thank you

1224
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: so much, so much appreciative. Next point, Amy's initial love interest,

1225
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: Ryan is also an interesting subversion of lgbt Q trips.

1226
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: She wears board shorts, she skates boards, and she has

1227
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: short haircut. Amy spends half of the movie trying to

1228
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: figure out if she's gay or not, until she sees

1229
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: her making out with Nick, who is Molly's love interest.

1230
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: This shows that gay girls don't have to look a

1231
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: certain way to be gay, and someone can quote look

1232
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: like a lesbian and still not identify as one gender

1233
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: expression is completely different from how you express your sexuality,

1234
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: which they basically said in the movie. Yeah, yeah, it's

1235
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: just sitting here just so in uh. The sex scene

1236
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: between Hope and Amy is also well done and realistic.

1237
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: Amy doesn't have a perfect first time, but she does

1238
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: get the hot girl in the same way that the

1239
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: Michael Sayers of the world have been getting hot girls

1240
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: for years. The only love scene in the whole movie

1241
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: is a queer love scene. There are some makeouts, but

1242
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: the sex scene is reserved for our lesbian high school protagonist,

1243
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: which I've never seen a movie. Yeah, awesome that that happens. Like,

1244
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: the one sex scene you get is a queer god

1245
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: and sex scene. And even though things do go wrong

1246
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: and kind of a goofy jet apta way, it's like

1247
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: it's not specific to her sexuality. It's just an awkward

1248
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: seene sex scene because she's just inexperienced. I did find

1249
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: it hard to suspend my disbelief for Amy not knowing

1250
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: the difference between a butt hole and a vagina, like

1251
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: what that would feel like and where the positioning. Yeah,

1252
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: it was like it's I'm like, you have both and

1253
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: you know the like proximity vicinity and like they're like, yeah,

1254
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: the general I mean, I don't know, I've made some

1255
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: weird mistakes, and like everyone makes weird I I agree

1256
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: with them. Like, well, I guess she's probably wait wait,

1257
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: hold up, hold up, no no, no, no, no, okay,

1258
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: so wait, I'm just thinking that the visuals I'm doing

1259
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: right now. Okay. So Beanie was like, flip it. Maybe

1260
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: that's why she messed up. That's the only thing that

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Speaker 1: I could possibly be like, maybe she didn't think like

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01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: flip myself, but flip, I don't know. I'm the thing

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01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: I can maybe think to justify that was that she's

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01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: presented as being so awkward when it comes to her

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: like talking to her crushes, which I think is really

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: like I said before, like Molly is like super confident

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01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: around her crush and it's like really good at flirting.

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01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: By contrast, Amy, who is like the person who like

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: more traditionally adheres to Western beauty standards and as usually

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: like that type, is usually presented as being way smoother

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01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: with like their crushing. But she's so awkward. Well, and

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01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: I do like like that she has a little bit

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01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: of anxiety, but it doesn't take over her whole character

1274
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,480
Speaker 1: about like well, I don't know how this girl identifies.

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01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: And my favorite way that that is like expressed in

1276
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: a very kind of subtle, funny ways when she's talking

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01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: about how she's going to Botswana and she's like, well,

1278
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't got to Uganda because like Uganda's every like

1279
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: very anti queer, and then she just says almost like

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: would you be afford to go to That's such like

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01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: that was my It was so sweet. It's just like,

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, how could you not want to like

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: just come over and hang out with me and I'll

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: protect you guys for the rest of your life. So sweet.

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: It was adorable. So one thing that does kind of

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01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: bug me about that scene, and I touched on a

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: little bit, the scene where they're in the bathroom and

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01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: Hope and Amy are hooking up, is that the kind

1289
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: of precursor to them kissing and hooking up is Hope

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: pretty aggressively nagging Amy and then that gets her to

1291
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: be like, oh you're so hot, smooch like surprise kiss,

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I feel like that could have been

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01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,440
Speaker 1: handled better. We're like, why is Hope this like needlessly

1294
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: meme girl? And like why does that turn Amy on? Well?

1295
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: And then, especially in like a movie that generally does

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01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: well by its B characters, like there could have been

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01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: something set up between those two characters earlier, but it

1298
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: feels so sudden. I mean, they had a very very

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01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: very short exchange when they walk into the classroom, but

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: it was so short that I don't remember what Hope said.

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01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: I just remember her giving attitude, and I remember because

1302
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: I've seen it three times. This is why we need you. Um.

1303
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: It's right after they score Jessica Williams's character's phone number,

1304
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 1: and then Hope Hope says, oh, you got your teacher's

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01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,560
Speaker 1: phone number, and she's like yeah, She's like okay or

1306
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: cool or something like that, and it's like maybe she's

1307
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: trying to flirt, and like maybe she's using nagging as

1308
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: a flirtatious tactic, or maybe she's just she send something

1309
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: like have a good date this weekend or something like

1310
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, to like set up like

1311
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: it was weird. I guess Hope is just the one

1312
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: who's like, we don't understand why she's mad, but like

1313
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: maybe she'll she'll figure it out and let us know.

1314
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: She's just very Oh that's why I Hope mad. That

1315
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: the girl sent us two more point two point sex

1316
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: one is um Benie Feldstein, who plays Molly Amy's straight

1317
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: best friend, is also an openly queer actress, which gives

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01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: a movie extra points for casting queer actors and a

1319
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: queer movie, even though Molly isn't playing the lesbian character,

1320
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: which is great because queer actors don't always have to

1321
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: play queer characters like that's not yeah, And we talked

1322
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: about that on the recent Carol episode to where it's

1323
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: like straight actors are usually cast to be the ones

1324
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: playing queer characters. It's much rarer to see out queer

1325
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: actors being cast at all, much less than straight. What

1326
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: happens more with women where they cast queer women in

1327
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: straight roles more than interesting. My few examples that I

1328
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: have off the top of my head are Ellen Page,

1329
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: Kristen Stewart, and Portioned Dirassi. Yeah, I mean they've been

1330
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: it is it is harder to think about the top

1331
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: of mine. That might be one of the I mean,

1332
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in what where queer friends have to

1333
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: say about that, because it might be like something that

1334
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: is a little bit easier for women, which is rare

1335
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: to say ever, but like the only out male actor

1336
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,560
Speaker 1: I can think. I mean, like Neil Patrick Harris is

1337
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: the one. Yeah, but I can't think, like I can't think. Oh,

1338
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: there's um the dude on suits. I can't remember his name.

1339
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is? That Meg and Marco's

1340
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,919
Speaker 1: show or was that a different one? No, I'm confusing

1341
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: brunettes with blue eyes. He's so cute too. Um, Zachary

1342
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: Quinto often some straight roles or is it the prison

1343
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: break dude? Oh? What is his went Worth? No? Not

1344
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: went wore Miller? And then you've got like Ian McKellen

1345
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: is cast as scandal as Yeah, who I mean because

1346
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: Magnetia genderless? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I guess that there

1347
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: are examples that would be fun, like not fun, but

1348
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: like something interesting to explore. Yeah, for sure, I mean yeah,

1349
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: we would be if any of our queer listeners have

1350
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: opinions on that, we would we would love to hear

1351
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: it and or other examples. Yeah, and finally, uh, the

1352
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: last point that they sent along was all in all,

1353
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: we would have killed for this type of representation in

1354
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 1: high school. AMI sexuality is basically a non issue. Nobody

1355
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: questions it, Nobody bullies or teases her for it multiple

1356
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: side characters are queer fluid in various ways, also without

1357
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: facing any social repercussions, and the jokes are never at

1358
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: the expense of queerness. What a welcome delight and want

1359
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,440
Speaker 1: a delight for them to have shared their wonderful perspectives.

1360
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Ellie and Leaves to listen to the

1361
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: Debs episode we did with them, yes, and just to

1362
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: listen to their podcast in general. Yeah, something that I

1363
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: liked that the trope that this movie did adhere to

1364
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: was that many of the high school seniors are years old.

1365
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: That's just a trope I'll never get tired of. I

1366
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: love you know, It's like, all power to the child actors.

1367
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: But I'm like, you know, we're out here, we're twenty

1368
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 1: six years old, and we need people to think we're eighteen.

1369
01:14:54,920 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that the Billy Lord twenty six year old.

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01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: Visibility it's seated was high. A couple other things I

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01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: just wanted to point out because I thought they were

1372
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: funny or relatable. Amy does not do well on pot.

1373
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: I found that very relatable for me. I have a

1374
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: panic attack anytime I consume marijuana. So I was like,

1375
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: thank you, visibility it's important here. And then Molly has

1376
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: a crush on a guy that she does not want

1377
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: to have a crush on, And I also found that

1378
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: very relatable because like, yes, I there have been shitty men.

1379
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: Did you hear my gasp? I just went through all

1380
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: my trump I just let it all out right there?

1381
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: Did you have any one last quick little thing? I

1382
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: did enjoy the scene in the lift where their principle

1383
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: is pitching them his detective novel and he's like, oh,

1384
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: you guys would like this, which I feel like people

1385
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: say to me all the time, like knowing that we

1386
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: do this podcast, yeah, they're like he's like, oh, it's

1387
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: a it's a female detective who is pregnant, and every

1388
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: time she has a hunch, the baby kicks. And then

1389
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: he's like he's like, I haven't worked out what happens

1390
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: when she gives birth, but like that's where I'm at

1391
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: right now, and it's just like, oh, okay, a man

1392
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: trying to write a pregnant woman. You know, he's like,

1393
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm an ally and like read a bug dork. But

1394
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: then the last real point that I have is that, yes,

1395
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: this movie, at the time of this recording hasn't been

1396
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,879
Speaker 1: doing super well at the box office. It's gross fourteen

1397
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: million dollars. That I think is a complicated discussion though,

1398
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: because it was there. I think that there is like

1399
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 1: a weird that was just like that. That's what was

1400
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: part of the discourse around this movie, like in the

1401
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: Twitter discourse just like it kind of it kind of

1402
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: rubbed me the wrong way because I feel like it

1403
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: was sort of a cut and dry like see people,

1404
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: hey women. It's like, well, this movie was released at

1405
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: a weird time, like it was released. I didn't even

1406
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: know it was out. That's the problem, Like how can

1407
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: I see something if I don't know what exists? It was, Yeah,

1408
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: the marketing was off. It was released between The Avengers,

1409
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: between Aladdin, between these don't do blockbusters. You don't like

1410
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: you can't do like a unfortunately like a feel good

1411
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: person driven story like during Yeah, just don't do it.

1412
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: It just seems like a silly business decision up with

1413
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: like high school graduation time. Sure, yeah, it didn't. There

1414
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of like stuff that I've read because

1415
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: I do agree with the sentiment that it is. You know,

1416
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: it's like when you're a female director, it is harder

1417
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: to get a second opportunity to make a movie if

1418
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 1: your movie didn't absolutely kill it the first time, and

1419
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: that your work is just automatically held to a higher

1420
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: standard success. I totally agree with that. I think that

1421
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: it's a little bit it's little more complicated than it's

1422
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: been presented, and that if this movie had been released

1423
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: in like August, it may have performed if it was

1424
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: coming out in a less crowded like because there was

1425
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion of like, well, Aladdin fu killed

1426
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: it at the box office, and I'm like no, but

1427
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: of course people are going to go see that just

1428
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: to see it, Like I remember, yeah, are you joking? Like,

1429
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: don't even call me when The Lion King is coming

1430
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: out in July, Like I'm like, I'm booking out for

1431
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: the entire month, Like I can't. Like I took a

1432
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: photo by Simba when I went to go see Endgame

1433
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: the other day, and I was like, lock it up,

1434
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: lock it up. I'm about to be Oh my gosh,

1435
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: what And that was that deal And that was like

1436
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: a bad look for a lot of people criticizing it

1437
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: because they're like, it's a movie with all white girls,

1438
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, like Aladdin has a majority

1439
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: PC cast and it's like, no, that's not the hell

1440
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 1: to die on. Like it's just like the discussion around

1441
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: it was very weird. I wish it had done better

1442
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: at the box office, but I sort of understand why

1443
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: I didn't. Of course, like at the end of the day,

1444
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: like it's kind of tough to hear this is a

1445
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: movie about women, and then women who are hearing the

1446
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: message don't see any women reflected in the cast. Right.

1447
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: It's not like I don't go see movies like, Okay,

1448
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: we match, I'll go watch No that it's not my standard,

1449
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: but it would be nice to see like a bouquet

1450
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: of kids in that movie, and we women didn't like

1451
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: young adolescent women didn't get that. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

1452
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: and it would have been so the movie is written

1453
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: in a way that there's no reason it wouldn't be that. Yeah,

1454
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: it's so. Maybe it would have been too perfect to

1455
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: take it down a notch, have something to strive for

1456
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: in the second one. I get it. I get it. Okay, cool,

1457
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: um what I will say. Though, Even though the box

1458
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: office numbers aren't great, the movie again at the time

1459
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: of this recording, has a nine seven percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

1460
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: Which I think is encouraging and a you know, departure

1461
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: from what we've seen in the past, where you know,

1462
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: ten years ago, twenty years ago, where mostly male critics

1463
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: were would be reviewing female driven movies and hating them

1464
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: just because they were female driven. So it was at

1465
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: least encouraging to me to see that it has such

1466
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: a high score with critics, because that hopefully means things

1467
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: are changing a bit. Yeah, and I have no and

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Speaker 1: I honestly I have no doubt that, like Olivia, I

1469
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: have such doubt. And yet in this case, I have

1470
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: no doubt. I have no doubt that Olivia Wilde will

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01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: get to make another movie, which again is she's a

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01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: famous white lady, h and so there is some privilege

1473
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: there too, Like I don't know, she'll get to make

1474
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: another movie, and I hope that she includes women of

1475
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: color in her next one. She will after the Twitter

1476
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: feed probably so it seems like she is reading the comments,

1477
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: and I was like, honestly, yes, and she's she's going

1478
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: to listen to this episode and she's gonna be like, Wow,

1479
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: the Bechel cast want women of color in the movie,

1480
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: but Vanessa is not allowed to audition. You're going to

1481
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: be the star of book Smart to the college version.

1482
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: That will be really fun. Melissa just texted me. She said,

1483
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: I think my favorite part of Book Smart was that

1484
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: everyone was excited to see them at the party. Was like,

1485
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: it's true. Everyone's like that. It's true. Though, like no

1486
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: one was like, oh the nerds came. Everyone was like,

1487
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: we've been waiting for this. It was such a supportive movement.

1488
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: We wish that was our high school. God. Yeah, I

1489
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: think that was all I had. Did anyone have any

1490
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: other final points? Check your hand that you've written on

1491
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,560
Speaker 1: the thing that's making me really sad is towards the

1492
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: bottom I have don't trust, But I don't remember why

1493
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: I wrote it. I mean a good general rule. Oh

1494
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: is that? Oh that's because that's what Michael Brian's character

1495
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: says in the car to them. He's like, don't trust

1496
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: people because they like get into that car, and he

1497
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: like gives this whole monogue how scary people can be

1498
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: a queen and a psychic. Obviously, I like, because I

1499
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I'm probably have to email

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01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: them later and be like I figured out what don't

1501
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: trust on my finger pad means? But we got it.

1502
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: It's also I mean, he's giving them very good advice,

1503
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: but then he turns out to be a I didn't

1504
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: see that coming. I mean, um, hey, does this movie

1505
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: pass the Bechtel test percent? Lots and lots. In fact,

1506
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: if I may just give a fun little easter egg,

1507
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is. Um. In Amy's house,

1508
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: there's a sign on her bedroom door that says a

1509
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 1: Room of One's Own, which is the title of the

1510
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: extended essay by Virginia Wolf. That is partly what Alison

1511
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: Bechdel attributes the Bechtel test to. Nice. So a nice

1512
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: little Bechtel test tie in in the movie. Just I

1513
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: think they put that there for us. I think Olivia Wild,

1514
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: she's ready, Olivia Wild, come on the cast. Yeah, we'll

1515
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: have you any time. Come on. That's my new approach,

1516
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: shaming women into coming on the podcast. That's my offen.

1517
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, we've never had as many guests

1518
01:22:55,720 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: approaches ever. But yeah, this movie passes a million times

1519
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: between many, many different combinations of characters and strong strong

1520
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: showing a Betel test here. Let's rate the movie on

1521
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: our nipple scales zero to five nipples based on its

1522
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: representation of women. I think I'm gonna go. I want

1523
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: to say, like a four point to five. I think

1524
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: it does really well. In many regards. Where I'm docking

1525
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: it is the failure to represent women of color, the

1526
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 1: surprise kisses, which were tropes that should have been avoided.

1527
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: But I guess it's like, well, we're subverting it because

1528
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: it's women surprise kissing men in this movie. But an

1529
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: all female rebit of surprise kisses, I'm not on board.

1530
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: That should not be surprised. No genders should surprise kiss

1531
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: any other gender. Is yeah, just those few different things

1532
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: like that which were miss steps here and there that

1533
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan of. But overall, I think the

1534
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: movie does a pretty spectacular job. And I'll give it

1535
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: four point to five nipples, and I will give one

1536
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: to Beanie, one to Caitlin Deaver. Is that how you

1537
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: say it? She does? Her dad is Barney Dad. She

1538
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: give one to Barney, don't Barney's. And then I'll give

1539
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 1: one to Billy Lord, Carrie Fisher's daughter, and I'll give actually, no,

1540
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: I want to give one nipple to Jessica Williams, and

1541
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: I'll give my quarter nipple to Billy Lord. Sick. I'm

1542
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: gonna give this, Oh, this is gonna be too mean.

1543
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it three point five though, um I especially,

1544
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean even and I probably would have given it

1545
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: a little more before this discussion. But I feel that

1546
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: after talking about a little bit, like the only including

1547
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: white women is such a mistake and such a huge

1548
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: lost opportunity, especially like it bothers me when a movie

1549
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: really is selling itself as like the woke and then

1550
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: it raises all women of color like that is fucking

1551
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: stupid and annoying. I don't like that the only like

1552
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: women of color, they include they like subject to this

1553
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: shitty trope, the fat storyline, the fact that there's a

1554
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 1: predatory teacher at like all even think about her name

1555
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: is fine. Like I was like, yeah, I was like,

1556
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: you guys are kind of like feeding this to me,

1557
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: like she's fine as fuck, and like okay, and I

1558
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: got hit the all female reboot of a predatory teacher

1559
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: another about that another election kind of thing, totally yeah,

1560
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: where it's like that that does that trope doesn't work

1561
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 1: when it's inverted. It just doesn't work. Ever, you know,

1562
01:25:55,840 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: it's like it's illegal. Um and and I own just

1563
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: like the lack of any sort of acknowledgement of class

1564
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 1: in a teen movie is something that always bugs me.

1565
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'll do like three point seven five.

1566
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: We can the same way. I think maybe three point

1567
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: seven five, because there are the things that this movie

1568
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: gets right. It gets really right that l g B

1569
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: t Q representation is strong and and and good, and

1570
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: from what we can tell from people we've spoken to,

1571
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: is very reflective of that experience as a teen. The

1572
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: female friendship is incredible, and the lifting each other up,

1573
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: like the good stuff is really good, and the stuff

1574
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: that is off just doesn't make sense to me for

1575
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: the kind of and I think that like if there

1576
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: were more um there was, like not for white ladies

1577
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: writing and directing this movie, that they these are mistakes

1578
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: that could have been avoided. And and also uh like

1579
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: for privileged white ladies too, because I feel like it

1580
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: may not have occurred to any of these women to

1581
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: include someone of a different class just because they're reflecting themselves.

1582
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: So three point seven five from Little Jamie, I give

1583
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: one Beanie one to Caitlin one. Thank you so much. Jessica. Yeah,

1584
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: when do you Sinkalen Deever? No, no, she spells her

1585
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: name wrong. She spells it wild one. Jessica Williams, give

1586
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: me my point seven five to either Barney or Jared.

1587
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: I can't decide feminist icon Jared. I love that Jared

1588
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: was doing his best. I hope in college He's like,

1589
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: oh wait, Cheryl Samberg is not the feminist icon I

1590
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: was looking for. Anyways, he'll pick up bell Hooks his

1591
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: freshman year and we'll figure it out. Vanessa, Wow, Wow, guys, Okay. Um,

1592
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: I was like numbers, numbers. I started off a little

1593
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: higher and then I got a little bit lower. Um,

1594
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. Like, I think that's the

1595
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: thing that's so upsetting about this movie is like it's

1596
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: such a missed opportunity because they nail so many things

1597
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: that you don't expect to get out of a teen movie.

1598
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 1: And then it's like, to me, it's so much harder

1599
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: what they nailed that they forgot, Like just diversity, That's

1600
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: what I'm like. It's so like I feel like maybe

1601
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: they put so much time into developing the b characters

1602
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: and like all of that that they forgot, and like

1603
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to give the four white ladies like

1604
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

1605
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: But sometimes it makes me wonder, like, how can you

1606
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: look at your main characters and be like this represents

1607
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: all women that It would make me want to step

1608
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: back and be like, do I understand what representation of

1609
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: women really means? You know? Honestly? Like that and the

1610
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: barbies like my biggest issues. I just wish that wasn't there. Um. Yeah,

1611
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: I feel like that is my main issue with that.

1612
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: And then I also feel like, yeah, I feel like

1613
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,560
Speaker 1: everything you guys said, I like lost some of it.

1614
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my hand and I'm forgetting. So I

1615
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: have to give out three point seven five nipples. Think

1616
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: I just really wanted to get to that part. It's

1617
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: a fun part. Yeah, it's bomb Okay. So I'm gonna

1618
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: give one nipple to their friendship because it's just like, oh,

1619
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:14,560
Speaker 1: it's so pure. Um. I'm gonna give one nipple to

1620
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 1: Gigi's disappearing act because that bitch can teleport. It's amazing.

1621
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: Was that disrepectful? She can like, I'm like women and

1622
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: that so she can do that. I think she's a

1623
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: time traveler. That's much. Yeah, she's the shape shifter. She Yeah,

1624
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: she's like going in and out of the Star Wars Universe.

1625
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a nipple to the pool scene and

1626
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: the music because it really took me on a journey.

1627
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to give my seven my point

1628
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: seven five to Alan's speech at the beginning of Mystery Party.

1629
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: If there were two, he would have been, they would

1630
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: have had four nipples. If he had had to If

1631
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: you had done that speech twice, it could have gone up.

1632
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: If Georgia just let him finish. I was like, he

1633
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: definitely gets a nipple. That also best. One of my

1634
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: favorite jokes in the movie is just like very subtle

1635
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: in the beginning when like they're all in the classroom

1636
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: and George is like, there's no spatial awareness at the school.

1637
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: I also love when he was like, I don't audition

1638
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: offers only it's like you're in a high school play.

1639
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: And the way that they got their their drama speach

1640
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: at the beginning where they're like, it's in the parking

1641
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: lot of a Whole Foods. Also, it was the play

1642
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I did last summer at camp. I'm like, yeah, that

1643
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: is what drama kids are like. So I love them.

1644
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well, Vanessa, thank you so much. For

1645
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: being Thank you guys. This was like a delight. No,

1646
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: you guys are killing it. My brain cells are all activated.

1647
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. We're so like excited to have

1648
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: your anytime. If you guys ever need me back Miles

1649
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: Miles lives to see another day. Thanks Miles. Where is

1650
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: there anything you'd like to plug? And where can people

1651
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: fall you online? Let's see, I've got an episode of

1652
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom coming out in a couple of weeks. They

1653
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: put a bunch of fake tattoos on me. I loved it. Oh,

1654
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: I have this really cool show coming out in uh

1655
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Fall with the funnier diet called The Coope. It's it's

1656
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 1: interactive so it's murder mystery and you have to help.

1657
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: Like it's choose your own affection. It's really dope. Reading

1658
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: the script was very confusing. I was like, I know, oh,

1659
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: it's choose your own adventure, got it. It's really it's

1660
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 1: creak and filming it was insane, but it's I've never

1661
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: laughed and broke character so many times because everyone was brilliant. Yeah,

1662
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: and then I'm on Instagram Vanessa l Chester just yeah, yeah,

1663
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 1: thank you so much for thank you for having me.

1664
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: This was a great, great day, so much fun. I

1665
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: feel I want to do this with every movie, like

1666
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: I need you guys like to let me have like

1667
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: many episodes where I can just discuss to get it out.

1668
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Please come back to thank you they invited me back.

1669
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 1: You can. You can follow us on the places at

1670
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: bachtel Cast. We've got our Patreon ak Matreon with bonus

1671
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: episodes like super Bad if you want to give that

1672
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: a listen. That was a fun one. I think that

1673
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: we were our first Matron episodes, which means we were

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Speaker 1: drunk and annoyed when we recorded it. Um, annoyed or

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Speaker 1: annoying or both? Can't it be bus? Yeah? To five

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Speaker 1: bucks a month means to bonus episodes a month, and

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Speaker 1: I think we're coming up on like fifty bonus episodes.

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Speaker 1: You get access to the whole catalog. Um. You can

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Speaker 1: check us out on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, at Bechtel Cast,

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Speaker 1: or go to t public dot com slash the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: Cast for all our piping, hot T shirt and other

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Speaker 1: things designs is go check them out. Yeah. Also go

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Speaker 1: to our website bechtel cast dot com and click on

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Speaker 1: live appearances for some upcoming live shows that you know

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Speaker 1: we're or might be having we may or may not

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Speaker 1: be happy, and only one way to find out go

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Speaker 1: to our website. And then if you're in if you're

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Speaker 1: in the UK the summer, please come to see my

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Speaker 1: show at and Bro Fringe Fest or I'll cry. I'llkay. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna be crying all summer. But

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Speaker 1: that's okay, Yeah, see you this show and other than that, Um,

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Speaker 1: go go read a book, Go read a go be

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Speaker 1: book smart. Oh wait, can't say one more thing. So

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Speaker 1: I was like, maybe the movie didn't perform all at

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Speaker 1: the box office because the word book is in the

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Speaker 1: title and people hates Like if it was called movie smart,

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Speaker 1: people will go to see if they just audiobook smart

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Speaker 1: every movie. Like, I'm their sounds like, let's work. Let's

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Speaker 1: change the name of our podcast to podcast Smart podcast

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Speaker 1: hard Pass. Fine, okay, bye,