1 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm Manny, I'm Noah. This is Devin and this is 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: no such thing. 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: The show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 2: by actually doing the research. Today's episode is another mail 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: bag episode. We're gonna be talking about eggs, sneezes, medicine, 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: the twenty four hour day, and whether grape or strawberry 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: is the traditional jelly and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: No, there's no no such thing, no such thank no touch, 9 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: thank touch, thank touch thank all right, We're starting with 10 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: a question from Fran who is based in London. She says, 11 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: just had a somewhat heated debate last night with my 12 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: flatmates about whether eggs should be kept in our fridge 13 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: or not. Our fridge is small and we only have 14 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: one shelf each, so all three of us having our 15 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: own carton of eggs takes up a lot of space. 16 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: I personally have always grown up with my family keeping 17 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: eggs in the fridge, but one of my flatmates keeps 18 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: harries out on the counter and said we should too. 19 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: Do they last longer if kept in the fridge or 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: does it remove any nutritional value? So before we get 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: into friend, what do you guys do with regard to eggs. 22 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 3: Oh, you gotta put your eggs fridge? 23 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I put a lot of stuff in 24 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 2: the fridge that maybe doesn't necessarily need. 25 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: To be in the fridge, but eggs just out of space, 26 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: leaving your milk out here. 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think it is a US UK divide 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: perhaps in my head. It's just like, yeah, it's gonna 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: make it last a little bit longer. Yeah, because it's 30 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: colder in there. What do you leave out of the 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: fridge that could be refrigerated? 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: Do you think I don't put like potatoes and your 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: stuff like that the fride? 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: Interesting? 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: Big? 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: Uh? 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: No ketchup in the fridge. 38 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Guy, ever, Now that's no like my ketchup cold. 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 3: I want my ketchup. Ketchup. 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: You just have open ketchup in your cabinet. 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 4: It's not Yeah, it's opened as and I used it 42 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 4: before and then I toasted that. 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: Yeah it's open though. Yeah, Yeah, it's not sealed. That's 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: what I mean. 45 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 4: It's it's opened, it's unsealed. 46 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: It doesn't need to be refrigerated, does it say that? Yes? 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: Because look we're getting confused here between there's things that 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 4: need to be refrigerated. 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: And there's things that they're that's what we're discussed. 50 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: There's things that there's things that they recommend. 51 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 4: Refrigera ketchup is one of those things that they're like, actually, 52 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 4: it'll be better if you refrigerated. 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: Well, how quickly are you going through ketchup? 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 3: I got a big one from Costco, so it takes 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: me a while. 56 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 4: So I'm only really using it on like if I 57 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 4: get a if I make burgers or something like that, 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 4: or hot dog. 59 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: So it will last a long while. 60 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: I've had that ketchup. Look, this is not the first 61 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: time in life that I've done it. Actually just opened 62 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: a new, huge thing of it. 63 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: So but by the time you're getting to the bottom 64 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: is you don't notice anything. 65 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: No, that's what I'm saying. I've been through this in 66 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: my life. 67 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm living that way, not just recommending it and 68 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 4: not doing it. 69 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: I've got bread in the fridge, all vegetables, including potato, butter. 70 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 3: And a fridge. 71 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 4: You put your you put your potatoes in a fridge. 72 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: Yeat that often, but I've never I've never done that. 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: No, I don't put them in the fridge. I don't know. 74 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: I try to keep most produce. Well, it depends on 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: the produce. I mean, but like if it's not cut 76 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: at all, I'm trying to keep it fresh outside, especially 77 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: like that. 78 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, once you cut it, then I put it once 79 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: it's cut. 80 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, onions. What about butter for you guys? See, butter 81 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: is interesting because I always grew up butter in the fridge. 82 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 83 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of years ago I got one of 84 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: those butterbell devices. Yeah, it's like a little it's kind 85 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: of like a cover. Yeah, it's like a little contraption. 86 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: You you put water in the bottom and then you 87 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: put butter in kind of the top. Nice you store 88 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: it so it keeps the butter nice and fresh and soft. 89 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: Was the water have to do? It? 90 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: Like helps seal it once it's in there creates a seal. 91 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: So if you're having butter like every day and you're 92 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: gonna actually go through, it's pretty good because it doesn't 93 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: go bad unless it's like sitting for a long time. 94 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: Maybe that's it's nice to have really soft butter. 95 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 4: Yes, I don't put I don't have a lot of 96 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: bread with butter, only using butter when I'm cooking, I'll 97 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: put it from my eggs and it doesn't really matter. 98 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: But to circle back, I got another fifteen minutes on this. 99 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: All three of us put our eggs in the fridge. 100 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: Why is that. 101 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: I don't know the specifics of it, but I know 102 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 4: there's a difference between our eggs and UK eggs for 103 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: some reason, like we can't have our eggs outside because 104 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: they'll go bad or something, or we can get I 105 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 4: don't know, salmon l or something orreas some way that 106 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 4: they process their eggs in the UK that it's okay 107 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 4: to keep your eggs on the shelf. That's what I've heard. 108 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: I don't know what the specifics of it are though, Well. 109 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: Just so happens that I do because my wife Mia 110 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: is an executive editor at Business in Cider overseeing health 111 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: in science. She's British, so she also knows about this. 112 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: Wow more importantly British. 113 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 3: British. 114 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 5: Okay, So the question of whether or not you need 115 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 5: to refrigerate your eggs really depends on where you are. 116 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 5: So if you're in the US, then yes, you do 117 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 5: have to refrigerate your eggs, and you don't have an option. 118 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 5: And that's because commercially sold eggs in the US are 119 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 5: washed and refrigerated before they're packaged, and that is to 120 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 5: get rid of any kind of bacteria or dirt that 121 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 5: could be dangerous, such as salmonella, which is a good thing, 122 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 5: but the problem with that process is that it removes 123 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 5: the protective outer layer called the cuticle. So when those 124 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 5: eggs are shipped and once they make their way to you, 125 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: you need to keep those eggs in the fridge because 126 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 5: they no longer have the protective layer that would defend 127 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 5: the egg from bacteria in your kitchen. Something like salmonella 128 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 5: thrives in warmth, so if your eggs are on the 129 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 5: kitchen counter, salmonella can permeate the shell and get into 130 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 5: the egg. If your egg is made in the US, 131 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 5: it's different if you're in Europe because in Europe they 132 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 5: don't wash and refrigerate the eggs in processing because their 133 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 5: goal is to retain the protective outer layer. In Europe 134 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 5: and in the UK, their priority is to package and 135 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 5: ship and consume the eggs locally, so you're having them 136 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 5: very fresh and they're retaining that protective outer layer, so 137 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 5: there isn't time or opportunity for salmonella to permeate the egg. 138 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 5: And that's why in Europe, the best by dates are 139 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 5: also shorter, so you usually on the package it will 140 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 5: say that you have less than a month to eat 141 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 5: the egg, whereas in the US, much bigger country, they're 142 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 5: transporting these eggs much further. That's the benefit of refrigerating them, 143 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 5: and that's why you usually have like six weeks eight 144 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 5: weeks to eat those eggs. So t LDR. If you're 145 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 5: in the US, you have no option. You need to 146 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 5: keep them in the fridge. In Europe, it's up to you. 147 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 5: You can keep them in the fridge to preserve freshness, 148 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: but there is perfectly safe outside the fridge as well. 149 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: That made sense in tracks with basically what you were saying. 150 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: I didn't realize exactly what it was. I didn't realize 151 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: it was literally just what was on the outside of 152 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: the show. I assumed it was something more like biological almost. Yeah, like, yes, 153 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: this is actually. 154 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: Much more simple. 155 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny how many times washing something is actually 156 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: kind of bad in a way, like the chicken debate 157 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 2: that we've had that people are still mad at us about. 158 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, washing the chicken itself, the raw chicken. 159 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: Spreads the bacteria around, and with the eggs, washing it 160 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: and refrigerating, it kind of removes like a natural protection 161 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: that it has. 162 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: And I believe the questionnaire lives in London but grew 163 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: up in the US. So that's that's why why there's 164 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: confusion and they're arguing with their flatmates, as they say, 165 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: because I was thinking about this, because I was like, 166 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I definitely have seen people keep their eggs, 167 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: like you know, upstate or something, and they buy them 168 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: from the farm next door, and it's like, oh, well 169 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: they're not. Now it makes sense. It's like they're not 170 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: doing this industrialized process of washing them. You just go 171 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: pick it up from the farm and you can keep 172 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: it out. Because I knew it are people who have 173 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: chickens and that sort of thing. They're not keeping them 174 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: in the fridge and they're eating them that day. 175 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: Probably the chickens aren't putting their stuff in the fridge. 176 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: They're talking about. 177 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: They're keeping them more. 178 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: Nobody talks about many. 179 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: Fridge in there. 180 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: We stayed upstate once and there was like a chicken 181 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: coop in the backyard and the owners were like, feel 182 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: free to go back there and pick up any eggs 183 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 2: that's for cooking. So we did, and that well know, 184 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: actually we didn't. We were about to, and then we 185 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: got an email later being like, oh wait a second, 186 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: these are the fertilized ones. 187 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: And I was like traumatized. If chicken, well, they wouldn't 188 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: have been born. 189 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: It would have been. 190 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the person it was just it was 191 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: just a clumb themselves. 192 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, I remember during COVID. I don't know 193 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: if this was like a national thing, but certainly in 194 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: our friend group, we just started eating a ship ton 195 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: of eggs because they're just easy to make, you know. 196 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 197 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: I wasn't really cooking all that much until everything shut down. 198 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: So I was eating a ton of eggs. And then 199 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: there was like a lot of discourse on Twitter at 200 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: the time about how that's actually bad. You shouldn't be 201 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: eating that much, that many eggs. 202 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: I could be shooting up here, What do you want 203 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: from me? It's like. 204 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: Eggs, Yeah, shut the hell. 205 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: Up unless you're Unless you do it. It's like, don't 206 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: turn on me if you're eating ten eggs a day. 207 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: Sure, just like anything, Yeah, what's next? 208 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: Next up? 209 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: We're staying on the expiration dates? Okay. Theme This is 210 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: from Steph I'm quoting now. That is in stest's voice. Okay, 211 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: so you know how you buy medicine tail and all prescriptions, 212 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: NIQ will whatever, and there's a date for when it expires. 213 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: Why does it expire? Like I get that cheese goes bad, 214 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: milk spoils, vegetables rot, But what is the actual reason 215 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: why pills or medicine go back. That's a great question 216 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: as this. 217 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if they go bad. 218 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 4: I think they just become less potent, right. 219 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: That's my thought, And I always think about this when 220 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: I go visit my family. There's like the kid's bathroom 221 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: and you open the closet there and it's like kids. 222 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: First of all, there's no children living there anymore, so 223 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: it's like kids advil or kids time. Literally it's from 224 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: before I was born. It's from like even before my 225 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: brother was born. I think, like literally stuff from the 226 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: eighties that's in and it's probably if you open it up, 227 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: it's probably just like dusts, yeah, or like not even. 228 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: But then there have been times when I'm looking for 229 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: something and it'll be more recent, but then I'll look 230 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: and it's like expire twenty sixteen. I'm like, oh, it's 231 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: like you know, it creeps up on you. Yeah, I 232 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: don't know. 233 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: I mean I agree with them, and it won't be 234 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: that it goes bad in the sense that if you 235 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: consume it you'll get sick. I've definitely run into this 236 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: because I'm a gas X connoisseur of sorts power us. 237 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: I love using it. 238 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: I think it's probably placebo, but it makes me feel better. 239 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: And they will have expiration dates and I don't know, 240 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: like I'll take I'll have one after the expiration date 241 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: and I'll be like, oh, that one didn't do as 242 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: much as. 243 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: So, Yeah, how long do you think that's? 244 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 3: Like? 245 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: Typically? Is it like a year? 246 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: Is it? Yeah? 247 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: It's really long because I'll be like fall, I'll be 248 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: just digging through trying to find something. Okay, I think 249 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: the one that I found was like over. 250 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 3: A year old. You take your normal dosage of it. 251 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you didn't like double up one one caveat though, 252 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: gas X. I hope they're listening to this. 253 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: Why there's one of the boxes called maximum strength and 254 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: the stronger one is called Ultimate strength. Actually, we already 255 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: passed the maximum so I don't know what I'm doing here. 256 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: Like don Draper took up. 257 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: Maximum, so it could be possible that I did. I 258 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: took the same dosage was just two pills, but that it. 259 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: Was maximum and not ultimate. I don't know what anyway, Yeah, 260 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you go for in the store, 261 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: like if you were going right, I try to get now. 262 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: That I know ultimate is the strong one. I go 263 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: for Ultimate. Sometimes they don't have it. I don't know why. 264 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: But also it's just a matter of the dosage, like yeah, 265 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 2: I think two or like three maximums is two ultimates 266 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: or if you do the math. So anyway, all that 267 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: to say, I've dealt with the medicine expiration dates before, 268 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: and I would like to know the answer. 269 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: You know, this reminds me of I recently, for the 270 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,479 Speaker 4: first time I ever saw Wolf of Wall Street Crazy. 271 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they have that scene what they're taking. Yeah. 272 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all made in the nine eighties. 273 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 4: They stopped selling whateveryone and they take a bunch of 274 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: them and they're like, Okay, it's not working, and take 275 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: more and then they find out that like, actually it 276 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 4: just has a longer release times. 277 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: They're older. 278 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: Oh, they get it extra high. So I'm not sure 279 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: if that's the same with pills. 280 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 4: I'm not in the issue too. I have this issue 281 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: with pills because I'm not a real pill popper, you know. 282 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: If I'm getting some pills, yeah, I gotta get kind 283 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 3: of fucked up to take. Like even like an avil. 284 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: You can't you can't swallow it. 285 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: No, I can. I can swallow. 286 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: I don't want to change. You just don't want to. 287 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 4: I don't like, I don't really get headaches, you know, 288 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 4: so if I get a little ache and pain, I'm just. 289 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: Taking care of you. 290 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: Well, you don't get hangovers. 291 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 4: Because right, So it's like I'm taking I'm maybe taking 292 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: an avvil. 293 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: Twice a year of that. 294 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 4: Wow, but I buy you know, when you buy it, 295 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 4: you got to buy a big one because it's the 296 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 4: best for money. 297 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 298 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: So I'm getting one hundred hundred pails. 299 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: They're like two years old now. 300 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm taking four a year. 301 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: It's lasting as long as they're catch up. 302 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: So this is this is a good question of like 303 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 4: sort of what is happened? I guess I feel like 304 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 4: with all things, it's like, yeah, it just loses its oppotents. 305 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: I don't know what would be happening now, like chemically, Yeah. 306 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: Is it the case that twenty years after it actually 307 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: does literally nothing to you after you take it. 308 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: Well, luckily, the good people at Harvard, oh, Harvard Medical School, 309 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: to be exact, Okay, those are the people you do 310 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: want to talk to. That that's a good clarification, have 311 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: looked into this. So in nineteen eighty five, the US 312 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Air Force conducted a study where they gathered a stockpile 313 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: of medications because they you know, countries do have those 314 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: stockpiles for certain things, you know, for emergencies or obviously 315 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: for military et cetera. So they gathered a stockpile of 316 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: medications worth more than a billion dollars that were close 317 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: to or pass their expiration dates. They didn't want to 318 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: just throw them away, so they did studies. They tested 319 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: to see if they're still safe and effective. This is 320 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: the US Food and Drug Administration, the FDA, in other words, 321 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: lets some call them. And the verdict, according to Harvard Retelling, 322 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: this most medications were still good nearly three years past 323 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: their expression. That's nuts. But there are a few caveats 324 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: to keep in mind, they say. So one, those tests 325 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: that we're referring to were from the mid eighties and 326 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: early nineties, so newer medications may not have been tested yet. 327 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: In this way. Only about one hundred types of drugs 328 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: were tested, so and some of them were like things 329 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: that people who are not in the military probably wouldn't 330 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: be using so much like you know, antidotes for chemical 331 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: poisoning or antibiotics from malaria. And some drugs did fail 332 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: the stability test. So liquid antibiotics, Yeah, antibiotics aspirin, nitroglycerin, 333 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: and insulin have found signs of physical decay, so not 334 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: best to use them past the expiration dates. Physical decay. Yeah, 335 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: but it's like the pills cracked. Yeah, and then yeah, 336 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: epipends also held up poorly past the expiration dates. This 337 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: doesn't seem harmful though, it's probably just, like you're saying, 338 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: not as effective. 339 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 340 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: So one, it kind of depends how serious the medication 341 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: is or the what you're trying to fix. You know, 342 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: you can probably take an allergy medication a month past 343 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: the expiration date, but a heart rhythm medication is going 344 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: to be riskier. Yes, Yeah, so you want to make 345 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: sure that's gonna help you. 346 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: So pretty much like the over the counter stuff that's 347 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: not gonna be life or death, Yes, spring gas X 348 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. 349 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah, it might not do the trick 350 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: that you needed to do, but it's not gonna hurt. 351 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: This also says that generally they keep the expiration dates 352 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: on the more conservative side exactly for this reason, which 353 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: makes sense and I agree with as a practice. Yeah. Yeah, 354 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: And drug makers say that extensive testing for drug stability 355 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: over prolonged periods of times would be ideal, but it's 356 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: too expensive. And yeah. Also in this study, the military 357 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: study found that by keeping these expired medicines is saved 358 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: about two hundred and sixty million dollars from the one billion, 359 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: so it's pretty significant. Yeah, it showed that there was 360 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: a lot of useful There are a lot of medicine 361 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: that was still useful. So basically, expiration dates in the US, 362 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: after a law in nineteen seventy nine, drug manufacturers have 363 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: to stamp an expiration date on their products. So that's 364 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: like where they can guarantee full potency and safety. It's 365 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily means it's gonna not work after that, which 366 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: makes sense. It's just like a regulation. So it's true 367 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: that effectiveness of a drug may decrease over time, but 368 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: much of the original potency still remains even the decade 369 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: after the expiration date. Placing a medication in a cool place, 370 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: such as a refrigerator, will help the drug remain potent 371 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: for many years. That's a good question, right from the 372 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: previous question. I also put my dequill in stuff in 373 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: the fridge, do you guys? No, keep it outside in 374 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: the closet. 375 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. 376 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 4: I'm really only getting that when I have Once again, 377 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 4: I don't really take that stuff, so. 378 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: I always just have it in the fridge. 379 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: Not for any real reason, but that's all you taking. 380 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: I mean only when I get sick, but like it 381 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: lasts for during that period. 382 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 3: In the fridge. 383 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, I don't keep it in the fridge. 384 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it looks like babies. 385 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: Actually they have one for babies and it says four babies. 386 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: I got the liquid one for Yeah. Yeah, prefer when 387 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: I'm like out, Like back when we used to work 388 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: in an office every day, I would bring pills with me. 389 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: If I'm at home, I'm like a little something to 390 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: sip on is nice. All right, After the break, we're 391 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: gonna answer some questions about sneezing behaviors, the twenty four 392 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 2: hour day, and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or We'll 393 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: be right. 394 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: Back all right, next up? Hi, Have y'all ever argued 395 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: about why some people sneeze loudly? Is it a learned behavior, 396 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: maybe to mimic a parent or get attention or clear 397 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: nasal passages more comfortably or effectively. Or is it biological 398 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: maybe based on lung size or muscular strength or age. 399 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: Can a louder soft sneeze to become softer loud, respectively? 400 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: Or is that dynamic range of sneezes actually small and 401 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: its variations in hearing sensitivity that we should be arguing over. 402 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: Please get to the bottom of this. My doctor has 403 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: stopped answering my question. 404 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: Can I just say, real quick, I love our listeners 405 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: because we get the funniest fucking questions I've ever heard 406 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 2: of the very behavioral. 407 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: Science of sneeze loudness. So well, first of all, what 408 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: what how would you all to describe your individual sneeze styles. 409 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty controlled, I think, Yeah, I try to keep 410 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: it on the covers, yeah, like and that same at home. Yeah. 411 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm sure we all have you know, 412 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: are the classic the dad loud home, shaking the frames 413 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: on the wall kind of sneeze? So my dad one 414 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 2: of the loudest sneezers around the house. 415 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: My dad had really bad allergies too, and his sneeze 416 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: was so like the cat would run a wind up. 417 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, and then yeah, 418 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 3: and then there's usually a couple in a row. 419 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 420 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 4: That's my other question, and then there's yeah afterwards it's like. 421 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. 422 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: My follow up bonus question is why the sneeze is 423 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: coming multiple It's because there's some people who always three. 424 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: It's not a loud sneeze. It will be like always 425 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: doing three or more in a string. I'll have maybe 426 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: one or two I do. I do pretty loud ones. 427 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: I'll say, Okay, I can control it here, yeah yeah, yeah, 428 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: but if I'm home, yeah, letting it. 429 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: I will say. When I do let a loud one off, 430 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 3: it feels good. 431 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I'm not holding back, you know, and 432 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: go for real. 433 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: Because sometimes you try to get a low yeah, and. 434 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: Then you got it's like it's like plug but myself up. 435 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: Ye, try to keep yeah. 436 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not it doesn't it's not satisfying. It's 437 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: like when you when you try to stifle a cough. Yes, 438 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: that's like the worst feeling in the world. You have 439 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: to cough in the movies or something, and then you 440 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: let it go, but then it's still there. Yeah, I 441 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: have to go to the right Yeah, try to or 442 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: then I'll try like, okay, maybe I'll choose choose some 443 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: gum or something like something I was happening here. Maybe 444 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: I can wait. 445 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: You're like waiting for the loud scene of the movie 446 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 2: to come, literally, like, okay, there's a car crash coming up. 447 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: Let's lessen that. 448 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: But it's a great question because you know, if it 449 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: were behavioral, you would think that you would have a 450 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: similar sneak to your parents. But that's not the case 451 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: for me. 452 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 4: No, Well, it's almost it's almost behavioral on the opposite 453 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 4: way that you witness you know that women. 454 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: Can do to a fan. 455 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've seen the loud sneeze and now you don't 456 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 4: want to repeat that. 457 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, traumas the cycle ends here. Yeah, but I mean, 458 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: dear kid, is gonna be like I hate how my 459 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: dad always Yeah, quite a little. It's like a kind 460 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: of an edible thing. 461 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, watch this. 462 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: Luckily for us our friends at Popular Science magazine, someone 463 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: I've answered this. 464 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh my god. 465 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: They did separate articles for both of those questions. So 466 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: why do people sneeze aloud? And the multiples? I was like, wow, 467 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: the ones. 468 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: I'm really fascinated by the multiples. I know someone who 469 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: always goes too, and that's it the next time. 470 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: So this is from doctor Takashima from the Department of 471 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: Oto Laryngology. Wow, had a neck and surgery at Houston 472 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: Methodist Academic Institute. This is a quote from Popular Science. Yes, 473 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: not on him, insider knows, is a tight mesh of 474 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: epithelial cells, tiny hairs, and thick mucus. These elements quotes 475 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: trap particulates so that the lungs can be protected. When 476 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: those build up, they need to be flushed out. So 477 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: tiny hairs, that makes sense, tiny hair is mucus whatever, 478 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: all this stuff out. 479 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't want you. They don't want that stuff 480 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: in the lungs. 481 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: Yes, and it needs to be flushed out. In your 482 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: body knows this. It gets triggered somehow, like enough piles 483 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: up so that really I do think there was a scene. 484 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: I think Bill Murray sneezes. Yes, yes, everyone flies out, 485 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: hit all the pressure valves. 486 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: They're about to blow this scene. 487 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: Great movie, yeah, which you watched that the key to 488 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: sneezing volume lies in the structure of our respiratory system. 489 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: The first step of the sneeze reflex involves deep inhalation. 490 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: You need that air to be able to expel everything out. 491 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: While air is sucked into our lungs, our vocal cords 492 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: closed tightly. Once enough pressure has built up in our lungs, 493 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: all the air is expelled. It's that gush of air 494 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: that's pushing through the vocal cords that creates the sound 495 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: of the sneeze The shape and floppiness of our vocal 496 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: cords and other soft tissue at the back of the 497 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: throat influence whether or not we have a quiet or 498 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: booming sneeze. Lung volume also determines how much air enters 499 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: and leaves our chests during a sneeze, meaning no single 500 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: physical measurement will predict sneeze volume, So vocal cords, other tissue, 501 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 1: lung volume. Some people with big lung volumes have very 502 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: patigue sneezes HM, so this article also has how to 503 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: sneez quietly. Takashima points out that in Japan there's a 504 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: heavy cultural emphasis on not inconveniencing others and people manage 505 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: to suppress their sneezes. So this is what the question 506 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: asker was asking too about. Is that, you know, kind 507 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: of a cultural or learned behavior. 508 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh for sure. 509 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: So the key here is to minimize the amount of 510 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: resonant energy flowing through your oral cavity closing your mouth. 511 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: This will produce the volume of your sneeze. 512 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 3: It doesn't feel as good though. 513 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: No hold on, look at the medical literature suggests that 514 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: sneeze suppression may be a surprisingly bad idea. Oh for sure. 515 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 4: You ever try to hold in your whole body of things, 516 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: your eyes are gonna You're gonna. 517 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: Your eyes blood, my eyes. 518 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: Head out of my head. 519 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: You want to be if you want to sneeze. 520 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 3: I don't know that. 521 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: If anybody sneezing as hard as they can into their elbow, it's. 522 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 3: Gonna be that loud. 523 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: Ye let me practice like that was That was bad? 524 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: That's not out loud. I don't know if I've been 525 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: peeking on that. 526 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 4: You know, like you're gonna, I'm gonna hear it if 527 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 4: you're trying to sneeze in a way, if you don't 528 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 4: know you're sneezing. 529 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: Not gonna do that. 530 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: You're not. You're not really you know, the cat's not 531 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: gonna run it. Yeah, no, exactly, or the cat needs 532 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: a tough enough yeah, frankly, all right, So that answers 533 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: the main basically the bonus about the multiples, Why does 534 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: that happen? Because that's stranger, that's weird. You can't get 535 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: it out in one go. So it has to do 536 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: with the power behind your noses blows. 537 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 3: If you got a weak ass nose, you got to 538 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: do more. 539 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: You need to work that out. It's funny they talk 540 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: to all different people for this article. Yeah, this is 541 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: still popular science, yep. So basically, the if the irtint 542 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: is still lingering after a sneeze, your nose is going 543 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: to give it another go. So typically a second sneeze 544 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: means that your first knees didn't do its job. 545 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: Yes. 546 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: As for the mega sneezer, the person who always seems 547 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: to sneeze fifteen times in a row, it may mean 548 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: his or her sneezes just don't pack the same punch's ears. 549 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: Depending on how her nerves are hardwired, it may mean 550 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: her sneezes are not as forceful to expel whatever is 551 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: irritating her. If that's the case. Try to rub your 552 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: nose or plug your nose. That way you can manually 553 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: remove the allergen. 554 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: Okay, you do some work help it out. 555 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: Of course, a foreign irritant may not be triggering your 556 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: sneeze at all. For about eighteen to twenty percent of 557 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: the population, staring at bright lights can cause uncontrollable sneezing. 558 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: What the It's a genetic condition called a photic sneeze 559 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: reflects phot I see, and its mechanisms aren't very well understood. 560 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: Some researchers believe that rapid pupil constriction may trigger the 561 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: nerves related to sneezing, but no one knows for sure. Oh, 562 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: because your eyes do that when you're allergic to something. 563 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: So if you seem to be sneezing over and over 564 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: while enjoying the great outdoors, maybe avert your gaze from 565 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: the sun for a little while. That's a cliffhanger to 566 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: end on eighteen to twenty percent of the I mean 567 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: almost someone in this room, which one of us I 568 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: start lights all the time. 569 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: I don't. 570 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't really travel right now. 571 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 3: They gotta start putting some of those warnings. 572 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: It's obviously in my head now, but I feel a 573 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: little bit more tensional. Yeah, I'm not gonna sneeze, but 574 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: I see it. 575 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 3: It's a division. 576 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: Next time I have to sneeze, I'm going to try 577 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: to make it as loud as possible. I don't think 578 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: I've ever really tried to be try to have a. 579 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: Loud primal scream. Yeah, it might be. It might feel good. 580 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: All right, what's what's next? This is a real kind 581 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: of bomb rip, sort of one from Blake. Why are 582 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: there twenty four hours in a day? 583 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 3: That's all he said? 584 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: Any ideas. 585 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 4: Well? 586 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: I mean, just like I guess the basic necessity of 587 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: like measuring, I don't know why they landed on twenty 588 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: four You would think it'd be something shorter. 589 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: I don't know. 590 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: Well, I might just say there's twelve hours, but the 591 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 4: hours or two hours long or so? 592 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah maybe yeah, that's where, Yeah, I would do a 593 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: longer segment. 594 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: Do you think I'm just talking shit? Yeah? 595 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: Well, you know obviously the twenty four hours. 596 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: You know what a day is? Yes, is a day, 597 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: but that's one day? 598 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 3: But why what is a day is when the sun 599 00:28:52,720 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 3: goes around you know? And yeah, because the summer, Yeah, 600 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: and we're flat we're flat. 601 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, flat earth. So as soon as the sun the sun. 602 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then at night it's underneath. 603 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: Us, it's under its over China. The sun went to sleep. 604 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: It's gone. Now it's gone the man. Yeah, so it's 605 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: one cycle. 606 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: Now it's one rotation. 607 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: Seriously, ye serious, guys, let's not cho. 608 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: You know, flatter enough. 609 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: So one rotation of the earth. 610 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, one rotation of the earth. The sun is not rotating. 611 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 4: We're evolving around. That's a year. It's one revolution around 612 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: the sun. So one day is one revolution of there. 613 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: So we all agree on that. Yeah, now how do 614 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: you break that up? 615 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: That's the best idea. That's where we get into. Yeah, 616 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 3: the specifics here, Yeah. 617 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's it's great. It may it makes me 618 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: think it's probably it's religious. 619 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: Why sixty minutes right, like. 620 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: The twelve hours? 621 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 622 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: It feels like why does that number come from somewhere? 623 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 624 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: Great question. Well, luckily our friends at ABC Science I 625 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: believe this is the Australian Broadcasting Company. 626 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're real different ABC. 627 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. 628 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: My guess is twenty four or twenty four or twelve 629 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: like has to do with some kind of religious thing, 630 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: some ancient religious thing. 631 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: Let's see what ABC science. That's just say it always 632 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: goes back to them. What are you about to say 633 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: it's always them? Is from doctor Nick Lom, Consultant curator 634 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: of astronomy from the Sydney Observatory. All right, I trust 635 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: trust observatories. Our twenty four hour day comes from the 636 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: ancient Egyptians who died them, who divided daytime into ten hours. 637 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: They measured with devices such as shadow clocks. Yeah, and 638 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: added the twilight hour at the beginning and another one 639 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the day time. Oh so that 640 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: makes They started with ten and then kind of added 641 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: on an hour an hour, so it's filling for kind 642 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: of nighttime. Wow. And then because ten is a natural number, Yeah, 643 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: but it just feels like, Yeah, nighttime was divided into 644 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: twelve hours based on observations of stars. So there's so 645 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: there we have ten hours during the day, yeah, plus 646 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: two more twelve for night preor night when you're looking 647 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: at the stars. Egyptians had a system of thirty six 648 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: star groups called decans d E C A N S 649 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: maybe dickcans deacons deacons chosen so that on any night, 650 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: one decan rose forty minutes after the previous one. Wow, 651 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: these guys were nuts. 652 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: Tables. 653 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: I guess they didn't have anything else to do. Tables 654 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: were produced to help people to determine the Yeah, it's 655 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: like oversee some pyramids being built, or figure. 656 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 3: Out the time. 657 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 4: What I would be doing if if China wasn't keeping 658 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: me on TikTok, you'd. 659 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: Be building, You'd be coming up with a whole new wisdom. 660 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: You count time. 661 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 3: For the one rat. 662 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 4: Every time it's rat passes, that's about four hours. 663 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: I liked it. Tables were produced to help people to 664 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: determine time at night by observing them. Amazingly, such tables 665 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: have been found inside the lids of coffins, presumably so 666 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: that the dead could also tell the time. Wow, that's nice, 667 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: all right, nice, and then put that in the coffin. 668 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: In the Egyptian system, the length of the daytime and 669 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: nighttime hours. I don't know what time it is, you did. 670 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: The length of the daytime and nighttime hours were unequal 671 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and varied with the seasons. Oh so it kind of 672 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: adjusted base on everything. Yes, of course, so in summer 673 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: daytime hours were longer than nighttime hours. Well, in the 674 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: winter it was flipped ancient Babylonians broke everything up into 675 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: sixty for hours and minutes. They just like the base 676 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: number sixty. It seems like, so subdivision of hours and 677 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: then sixty minutes per hour. So I kind of then 678 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: just kind of calibrating to what they are from the 679 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: Egyptian those hours further basically, which is probably when it 680 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: got a little bit more standardized. 681 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: That's now, see, we got we have twelve hours, that's 682 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 2: what I said. Sixty minutes was why isn't it like 683 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: one hundred minutes? 684 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: So we got three hundred and sixty degrees in a 685 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: circle from the Babylonians. Oh wow, they just liked sixty. 686 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: Babylonians were interested in three sixty because that was their 687 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: estimate for the number of days in a year. 688 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: Oh damn. 689 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 4: Then they had GYBT to be asking either to get 690 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 4: it wrong. 691 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you got GPT, it'd be like, yeah, this 692 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: is three hundred sixty days, close enough, thirty six days. 693 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 2: That's impressive that you already knew that. But was it 694 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: the case that the Egyptians kind of came up with 695 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: the framework of time. Yeah, it seems like so before 696 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: that they were just I mean, I'm sure there were 697 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: little ways to measure here and there, but they were 698 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: mostly just viobally. Yeah, I think generally it was that 699 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 2: and then slowly kind of this where okay, and then 700 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: I'm sure once there's a international order, there's more consensus 701 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 2: for you know, we have to have the same time 702 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 2: if you're traveling this way. 703 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: Yep, all right, but I think that about answers it well. 704 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: It makes it makes sense that like, all right, you 705 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: want to count the hours in a day, like before 706 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: the sun goes away. Yeah, and back then you're like, okay, 707 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: I have ten fingers. That's how we're going to count this. 708 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 709 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: But then they just started amending it from me, and 710 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: then they're like, all right, well we need to figure 711 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: this out because the stars are doing this. So we 712 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: got two extra hours, so twelve and twelve all right. 713 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 2: I like amazing stuff. But one of my favorite concision too. 714 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 2: I used to watch all those Ancient Aliens shows on 715 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 2: History or whatever, and the the big takeaway at the 716 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: end of every episode is like, how did the Egyptians 717 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 2: know that the earth was blue? Like they have some 718 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 2: of these higher glyphs, oh, and they're like painted. It's 719 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: kind of has nothing to do with time. But you know, 720 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: we don't give just because it's like, look, there's a 721 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 2: big as it's a shame that. 722 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, we don't really give them their flowers. 723 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 3: No, we don't. Aliens, Yeah, we can't. 724 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 4: They can't possibly be smart then idiots running around the 725 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 4: build it couldn't do anything, have any ideas. 726 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: Because if they were so smart back then it must 727 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: mean that we're not that smart. And that's why I 728 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: feel like, actually they have. 729 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: And it just it's it's also just like Egypt isn't 730 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: that powerful of the nation now, so I don't think 731 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: there's international push to do it, whereas if this was 732 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, if this happened in the United States and 733 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: you never forget we need that you know other places too. 734 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: But yeah, just put some respect justice for Egypt. 735 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 2: Even the Mayans they got incredible like the astronomy innovations. 736 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 3: We just can't. 737 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: But we just can't be like, wow, they were so smart. 738 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 3: We have to say some Aliens stuff. 739 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: Well you know what we who we are going to 740 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 2: get flower too. The Egyptians for coming up with the 741 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 2: twenty four hour clock. Thank you, Thank you Egyptians. 742 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: All rights as all right. 743 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 2: Our final question comes from Kaylee. 744 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 6: Hi, Manny Noah Devin as the No Such Thing Team. 745 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 6: My name is Kaylee, and my boyfriend was at a 746 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 6: bar and the bartender suggested that he do a peanut 747 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 6: butter tequila shot, and the suggested chaser was some sort 748 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 6: of like fruity selter thing. He doesn't remember the exact flavor, 749 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 6: but he then begins to complain to some friends that 750 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 6: the chaser was not great flavored, because then it would 751 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 6: have been like a peanut butter and jelly shot and chaser. 752 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 6: He den steeds to get in an argument with a stranger, 753 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 6: a woman about what is the proper flavor of jelly 754 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 6: to use in a peanut butter and jelly She believed 755 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 6: it with strawberry, and he believes it's great. So we 756 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 6: want to know your opinion. What is the default jelly 757 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 6: to put on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Is 758 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 6: it grape, is it strawberry? Or is it like a 759 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 6: third flavor? Thank you so much for answering my question. 760 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 6: Dig Sana the trow have a good one. 761 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 3: Thanks. 762 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: Kayley is here. Yeah, I guess first, let's answer it. Yeah, 763 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: let's go around. 764 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 2: Cake would be that I prefer the jelly to be strawberry. 765 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: But I also acknowledge that grape is the traditional peanut 766 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: butter and jet. 767 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I probably prefer grape still most cases. But yeah, 768 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: I think you can have your own preference for what 769 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: jelly you want. But yeah, the default is great, it's great. 770 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: It's Devin. 771 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 4: See this is tough for me, hm, because I'm not 772 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 4: a peanut butter and jelly guy. 773 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 3: I'm just a peanut butter guy. 774 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. 775 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 4: So I didn't really have peanut butter and jelly almost ever. 776 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: Preconception of this. You're a good person to think back 777 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: to your cartoon. 778 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, let me say this, peanut butter and jelly was 779 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 4: consumed in my home, all right, so there be around it. 780 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've been. I'm trying to sure. I'm now 781 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 3: trying to transport myself. 782 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: Take yourself back back to my child, opening your child. 783 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 3: I'm looking at the side. 784 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: This is what therapies look. 785 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what you do. 786 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 4: They tell you close your eyes, and I'm seeing my 787 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 4: mom make a peanut butter. 788 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: I said, don't put Jolie on the Would you just 789 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: have peanut butter, just peanut butter? 790 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Harry, I guess if your peanut butter is more organic. 791 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: It was. 792 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 4: It's the process probably, but I can't even open your mouth. Yeah, 793 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 4: so in my mind it was a grape jelly. It 794 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 4: was a more purple welch is Yeah, exactly. 795 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: I guess. 796 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 2: I just imagine, like you were saying, Noah in a cartoon, 797 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 2: the grape color. Remember the thing the otters that, Yeah, 798 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 2: there were names were, Yeah. 799 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: There we go. There isn't one of them purple or something. 800 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 3: I actually don't I don't remember what color. I don't 801 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 3: see color, so I don't know what color they were. Oh, yeah, 802 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 3: I remember that show. That was a good show. 803 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: Was that their names on Disney. 804 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 3: It was p B Right. 805 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 2: I guess I'm curious because it seemed to be such 806 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 2: a debate at that bar from the question or at 807 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 2: least that like, where does this idea that strawberry is 808 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 2: the default? 809 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: From? My guess is they grew up and that was 810 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: just what their parents made for them. Had to be. 811 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: Were these people living under a rock? Yeah, we'll do this. 812 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: Look up who invented the PBJ beer. National Peanut Board 813 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: has a article about who invented the PB and J 814 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: Okay sandwich. In the case of the Quintessential American PBNJ sandwich. 815 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: The most important person in this part of the story 816 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: is a man named Paul Welch. We know his work. 817 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventeen, Welch secured patent for puring grapes and 818 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: turning them into jelly. He developed and advertised grape a 819 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: laid rhymes with mar armalade, marmalade, marmala from concord grapes. 820 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: It was popular with the troops in World War One, 821 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: so it was popular to spread grape a laid on 822 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: bread when the soldiers came home after the war. Wow, 823 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: finally there's peanut butter. We know doctor George Washington Carver invented. 824 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 3: That black Man. 825 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. As grape a laid and pre sliced 826 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: bread became popular, another happened with peanut butter. Commercial brands 827 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: found a way to create creamy or peanut butter that 828 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: didn't stick to the roof of the mouth so easily. 829 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: During the Great Depression of the nineteen thirties, families discovered 830 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: peanut butter provided a satisfying, high protein, less expensive meal. Okay, 831 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: World War Two is the major event that took peanut 832 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: butter and jelly sandwiches over the top sandwich on the 833 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 1: US military ration menus in World War Two. Peanut butter 834 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: was a high protein, shelf stable ingredient and easily portable 835 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: on long marches. Grape blaide had already accompanied soldiers in 836 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: the First World War and added the sweetness of the sandwich. 837 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: Pre sliced bread was so easy to use. So the 838 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: natural inclination was to combine these three things. And PBNJ 839 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: was part of the American soldier's life. 840 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 3: Wow. 841 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: And then those guys came home from the war, kids 842 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: loved it, parents loved it, and the rest is history. 843 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, i'd have to say, the default then, 844 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: is the grape elaide or grape jelly, Yeah, variants, Yeah, 845 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: and I think center. 846 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 2: Dear listener, if you ever hear someone saying strawberry is 847 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 2: the default, you have to tell them that there's absolutely 848 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 2: zero evidence to back that up. 849 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: They're lying. 850 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: Now, I like it more than greate for my PB 851 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 2: and JS, or if I'm just having like a piece 852 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 2: of toast. But I would never say that that that 853 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 2: was the traditional original. 854 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: Recipe, like like raspberry preserves. Oh you like preserves? I guess, 855 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't get to eat in the 856 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: weeds like that. But I like the little bone Mama. 857 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 4: As a sort of final word on this, I just 858 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 4: opened up Wikipedia. I command aft Strawberry zero zero, get 859 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 4: a few hits, Sarah, they are consider this. 860 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: One's not even mentioned once on the It doesn't even 861 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: have a line like some people like this, not even. 862 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 3: Not even a hint of there's another kind. 863 00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 2: Of scary nothing in the pop culture reference a section 864 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 2: of strawberry Damn. 865 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: It's like it doesn't even exist. 866 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 3: Really, that settles it. 867 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 2: Final word, Thanks for listening to No Such Thing, which 868 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 2: is a production of Kaleidoscope Content. Our executive producers are 869 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 2: Kate Osborne and mangesh Hati Cador. The show was created 870 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 2: by Manny Fidel, Noah Friedman, and Devin Joseph. The theme 871 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 2: and credit songs are by me Manny. This episode was 872 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,919 Speaker 2: mixed by Pran Bandy. Thank you to everyone who sent 873 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 2: their mailbag questions in. 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