WEBVTT - A Podcast to Remember (How Memory Works)

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, Davis, Charles W Chuck Bryant.

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<v Speaker 1>I remembered your name, and this is stuff you should know. Lizzy,

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<v Speaker 1>had you cracked up there? If that makes it into

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<v Speaker 1>the gut, it's not going to because that was pre

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<v Speaker 1>hay and welcome to the podcast. Everything before that I

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<v Speaker 1>always gets cut out. You know that. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>a little giggle beforehand might be in. We would be

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<v Speaker 1>fired if we didn't cut out everything that came before that, right, maybe, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>you ever heard of a guy named Nicolas Carr? Yeah? Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you. Have you ever heard of a little

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<v Speaker 1>rag called The Atlantic? Yes? I have. Back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight, those two things collided, Nicholas Carr in

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic and he had a very great UM headlined

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<v Speaker 1>article called his Google making Us Stupid and Nicholas Carr.

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<v Speaker 1>He went on to write a book. He followed that

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<v Speaker 1>normal process where like you're writing the book and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I need some extra cash, so I'll excerpt this or

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<v Speaker 1>rewrite you know, like fifteen pages of it, celts to

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic or whatever. We need to get in that gig. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to write a book or be writing a book.

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<v Speaker 1>I write a book. We should do that. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was I can't remember what the book was was called.

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<v Speaker 1>But the article actually made a bigger splash than the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Din But basically he was saying, like, we are re

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<v Speaker 1>configuring the way we learn through our interactions with the internet. Um, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's constantly things trying to get our attention on a

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<v Speaker 1>web page. You know, it's not like a book with

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<v Speaker 1>with without pictures or um, you know, flashing lights, that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. We we read horizontally he put it,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than vertically, meaning you know, we just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>skimmed the surface of a bunch of different stuff rather

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<v Speaker 1>than really deeply get into one thing. Action which helps

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<v Speaker 1>flex the imagination. Um is pretty much non existent on

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<v Speaker 1>the web unless you're like into live journal, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter erotica. Right. So, but at the basis of

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<v Speaker 1>his argument is Google making a stupid was the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that it's actually reforming the way we form memories that

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<v Speaker 1>Google he chose Google, You know, just to get a headline,

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<v Speaker 1>as the editor did. But um, the the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>the internet, the way we read, is re changing or

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<v Speaker 1>changing the way that we absorb information and therefore form memory.

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<v Speaker 1>It says a lot that he was asking if it's

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<v Speaker 1>making as stupid because we here in the West equate

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<v Speaker 1>memory a good memory, too, intelligence, too smart. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what I'm trying to drive at, very clumsily, is

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<v Speaker 1>how does memory work? I thought that was a great

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<v Speaker 1>set up, And who knows what the heck we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>look like in a hundred years as a species, how

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<v Speaker 1>our brains are gonna be firing, and what the effect

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna have on us. We're gonna have mighty humps. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's the thing. I mean, you can you can

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<v Speaker 1>debate all all day long. Is it stupid? Or are

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<v Speaker 1>we just in the middle of evolution? Probably in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of an evolution. I don't think we're gonna end

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<v Speaker 1>up like a in idiocricy. You although never possibility, you

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<v Speaker 1>never know. I watched Idiocracy, so that might mean I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on that road myself. It's a great movie. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>like it? I did. I thought it was what it was,

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<v Speaker 1>But like the one joke premise of most most times

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<v Speaker 1>when a movie has the one joke premise, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gets old for me. What one joke? Sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the one joke everybody's stupid? Yeah, it worth than all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on, memories, Josh, are what makes us who we

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<v Speaker 1>are if we you know, I imagine if someone has

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<v Speaker 1>complete amnesia, they usually don't have a sense of self. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it depends if you remember h M. Henry Mullison. No.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was the patient that proved there's this big

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<v Speaker 1>debate over when we think of memory, whether there's like

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<v Speaker 1>one part of the brain that's responsible for memory or

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's a bunch of different parts of the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And he proved that the multiple memory systems works because

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<v Speaker 1>they used to think like, oh, you just got a

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<v Speaker 1>big old filing cabinet and your brain just sticks it

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<v Speaker 1>in whatever filet belongs in and then you go and

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<v Speaker 1>pull it out when you need it exactly. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>very it's very sesame street way of putting it. It is, um,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, they were working with what they had

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<v Speaker 1>to work with at the time, and they were wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But Hm, like age twenty three, this guy UM who

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<v Speaker 1>became known as HM. Patient HM had temporal labectomy to

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<v Speaker 1>cure his epilepsy. Oh, that guy also removed his hippocampus

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<v Speaker 1>so he could tell you, you you know, where he went

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<v Speaker 1>to high school, who his oldest friend was, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. But he couldn't tell you what he had

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<v Speaker 1>for lunch that day because he lost the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>form new memories. So the fact that he could maintain

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<v Speaker 1>old memories but couldn't form new memories proved that there's

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<v Speaker 1>multiple systems involved for different types of memory, like Memento. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>great movie that he would have proven it to a

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<v Speaker 1>memento did not have Ellen page. No it didn't, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's on your list of acceptable films. She would have

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<v Speaker 1>written in by now Um or not. She may just

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<v Speaker 1>be like, I hate those guys so much. Maybe so

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<v Speaker 1>uh so, let's let's talk a bit about memory, josh Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say we were talking about breakfast this morning. If

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<v Speaker 1>you remember what you had for breakfast, you might think

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<v Speaker 1>that that is a very simple thing that happened, when

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, it is very complex reconstruction from different parts

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<v Speaker 1>of your brain putting together. Maybe the smell of your eggs,

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<v Speaker 1>of your eggs bacon is octuating you didn't need that

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<v Speaker 1>slab of ham. What it looked like, maybe, what it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like, um in your mouth, how it tasted. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're recalling all these different parts, but not complex thing,

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<v Speaker 1>not and even just that. I mean, there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>more to it, the the tablecloth, whether you were angry

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<v Speaker 1>at the weather guy, to remember even what eggs are. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know these memories that go way back, but we

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<v Speaker 1>we conceive of it as this one little snapshot of

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<v Speaker 1>a memory called what what you had for breakfast? Right? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>But all of those different things put together are called

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<v Speaker 1>neural projections, right chuck, Okay, so go ahead. Well the

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<v Speaker 1>other instance too, that they always mentioned is riding. You

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<v Speaker 1>never forget how to ride a bike, and it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a very easy thing, but there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>things going on when you ride a bike. How you

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<v Speaker 1>get on the bike, how you mount the bike, where

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<v Speaker 1>your feet go, how you move it forward? Where should

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<v Speaker 1>I put my hands? Um? What about this car barreling down?

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<v Speaker 1>I should probably not ride in the center of the

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<v Speaker 1>road going the wrong way. So it's just like hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of memories. I can't put a number on it, you

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<v Speaker 1>know how many there are? Well, the reason why it's

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<v Speaker 1>so difficult is because it's this is all a seamless process,

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly. It ding a bike as if it's one

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<v Speaker 1>single file that you pull out of your cabinet called

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<v Speaker 1>ride a bike. Yeah. And at times it's so it's

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<v Speaker 1>so second nature, it's so natural to us that we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of detach ourselves from it and call it things

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<v Speaker 1>like muscle memory. So just things muscle memory. Your muscles

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<v Speaker 1>are there, they don't have a capacity for member remembering

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<v Speaker 1>anything well, and we don't even know how we recall still,

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<v Speaker 1>even though we have a better handle on storage of

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<v Speaker 1>memory and now, and we should we should disclaim this

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<v Speaker 1>episode by saying that there is a lot of there's

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<v Speaker 1>a This is the rough sketch of what we know

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<v Speaker 1>right now about how we form and retrieve memory, which

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<v Speaker 1>is more than we've ever known. Yeah, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're hot on the trail. It's really starting to come

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<v Speaker 1>together and make sense. So should we start with encoding, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically your senses. It's rooted in your senses.

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<v Speaker 1>Encoding is the first step to create a memory. It

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<v Speaker 1>begins with perception. And when we talk about perception, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about your sensory perception, um, right, which like, right

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<v Speaker 1>now you appear to me as you know, a little

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<v Speaker 1>scruffy looking good. You've got your braves cap on, almost

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<v Speaker 1>smile right the the ikea lights gleaming off of your eye,

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<v Speaker 1>about eyeballs a little bit. All of this is visual information, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But in my brain it's nothing more than electrical impulses

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<v Speaker 1>traveling through the optic nerve to my hippocampus. Right right.

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<v Speaker 1>You might smell me, um, you might. You know. The

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<v Speaker 1>example they use in the article is the first girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's right on the money, man. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>still remember all that stuff. But when you when you

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<v Speaker 1>see that first girl that you fall in love with,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what she looked like, what she smelled like,

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<v Speaker 1>the first time she shook your hand. I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>say this, but it's the exact same thing as breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>this morning or riding the bike. Well true in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's also a point made later on that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that things that are more important to you

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<v Speaker 1>are more likely to be rooted in your long term memory.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh yeah, yeah, okay, breakfast is pretty important to me, right? True?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that that is that that's something been your long

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<v Speaker 1>term memory though I remember every breakfast I've ever eaten. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because you've only had breakfast four times. Uh So

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<v Speaker 1>where are we within the hippocampus, Well, yeah, we're with encoding.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically what just happened is the light bouncing off

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<v Speaker 1>of you that gives you shape, and all that is

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<v Speaker 1>coming into my eyes and be in transforming into electrical information.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter what it is. Like, that's the language

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<v Speaker 1>of the brain, right, translates information and stores it in

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<v Speaker 1>the hippocampus initially. Right, that's like the big processing, sorting,

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<v Speaker 1>routing hub. Yeah. So your hippocampus is like this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this region of the brain shaped like a sea horse,

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<v Speaker 1>which hence the name um that basically says, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get that part hippocampus. It's not shaped like

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<v Speaker 1>a hippopotamus, shape like a sea horse. And why Plus

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<v Speaker 1>the name hippocampus means seahorse. I did not realize that, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it does. That's how I've always taken it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's call it the seahorse a campus. But basically,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hippocampus does is it takes in all this information,

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<v Speaker 1>including stuff that I have no idea I'm taking in

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment um and says this is important, this

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<v Speaker 1>is an important you can leave this out. Let's send

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<v Speaker 1>this over here, let's send this over there. Let's create

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<v Speaker 1>this neural projection by by combining this, this, and this,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like basically, the the the man behind the curtain.

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<v Speaker 1>The hippocampus is the sent center of forming new memories,

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<v Speaker 1>and along with the frontal cortex, they work in hand

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<v Speaker 1>in hand at this Yeah, okay, and it's a really

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<v Speaker 1>efficient way to deal with your surroundings, Chuck, because consider this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you or I, um, well, let's say we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it together. We're coming out of the woods into

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<v Speaker 1>a meadow and it is um a primal area, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're scared of bears, so we're scanning the meadow for bears.

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<v Speaker 1>Right we don't see any bears, but there's birds, there's flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>there's butterflies, and we're kind of taking in all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, but we're not really taking it in because

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<v Speaker 1>none of them are the bear, which is what we're

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<v Speaker 1>tasked with finding. Right then, So the the hippocampus isn't

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<v Speaker 1>in forming any memories of the butterfly or the daisies

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Maybe we would know, oh, well, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>splash of white against the green, so there are flowers there.

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<v Speaker 1>If we were asked later on what kind of flowers

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<v Speaker 1>were in that meadow, we couldn't say. So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>filtering that what we would consider unnecessary information out exactly. Okay, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it travels while we said this perception and encoding is

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<v Speaker 1>where it starts. But then you have to it has

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<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere from there, and this is where the

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry of the brain comes in, which is endlessly fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Yes, Josh, we have nerve cells, neurons and

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<v Speaker 1>these uh, these connect with other cells, not a point

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<v Speaker 1>called the synapse, right well, which is actually that's funny

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<v Speaker 1>that the author of this article put it like that

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<v Speaker 1>because it's actually not a point. It's a gap. You

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<v Speaker 1>think that all these things connect, but there is a gap,

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<v Speaker 1>and the leap to the other side. The leap of

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<v Speaker 1>the gap is uh performed via neurotransmitters that right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then latched onto by a dentrite. The little feathery things

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<v Speaker 1>on the cells collect. Yeah, they accept the transmission. Come

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<v Speaker 1>on in transmission. Welcome to my cell. So Chuck I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to give a couple of stature quick. Okay, there's

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<v Speaker 1>possibly as many as a hundred billion neurons in your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot um. Each of them have many tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands, are many, many thousands of connections up to

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<v Speaker 1>UM which are synapsis, yes, which are which leads to

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<v Speaker 1>as many as a quadrillion synapses in the human brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And they can connect. Is it an infinite amount of

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<v Speaker 1>times if need be? What do you mean is there

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<v Speaker 1>any limit to the amount of neural connections these cells

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<v Speaker 1>can make? Well, I think ten thousand is the high

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<v Speaker 1>end that I've heard, But I love that you had

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<v Speaker 1>an answer for that. UM. And they're constantly going to

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<v Speaker 1>and forming new connections. I think it's something like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty times the second. Near neurons are firing all

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<v Speaker 1>over your head and they're not sentence down. They're always changing,

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<v Speaker 1>always forming new connections. The more that you do something,

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<v Speaker 1>the stronger the connection is going to be. We might

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<v Speaker 1>know that in the real world as practice or repetition, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but the another word for it is plasticity, where the

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<v Speaker 1>brain you're the organizational structure of your brain actually changes

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<v Speaker 1>shape it as as you're saying, like, through practicing something

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<v Speaker 1>like the repeated firing of a neural connection, right, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just an electrical impulse that triggers the release of

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<v Speaker 1>neurotransmitters that crosses synapse are accepted in the den drite right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the neurotransmitters are the message carried like a certain

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<v Speaker 1>type of neurotransmit or like dopamine says hey, everything's just

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<v Speaker 1>ire right um, And this information has just passed along

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<v Speaker 1>from one neur onto another if the the impulse is

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<v Speaker 1>strong enough. Right. But then when you do it again

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<v Speaker 1>and again and again, more channels that allow the neurotransmitters

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<v Speaker 1>to to be released from one and accepted by another

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<v Speaker 1>are dug which means that this thing fires more efficiently

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden after firing them. By practicing

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<v Speaker 1>your violin this one piece of music slowly over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again, you get faster and faster and faster at

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<v Speaker 1>it until you can play it perfectly. That's exactly what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on your your neural connection is is that top performance,

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<v Speaker 1>peak performance practice makes perfect How to play uh the

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<v Speaker 1>intro to Stairway to Heaven. When I first got my

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<v Speaker 1>guitar and I played it over and over and over

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<v Speaker 1>and over until I learned it. Give me a guitar. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I can monkey through about a third of it very

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<v Speaker 1>clumsily because I forget or I can't write in cursive anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't either. I mean, I'd really have to concentrate.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're definitely letters that I would forget how to write.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a jarring realization for me, that, like, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you make the cue? And whatever happened to that Z?

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<v Speaker 1>That weird Z like it's all gone and even like

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<v Speaker 1>the S and the R and all that like normal stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just gone. Yeah, you don't want to see my

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<v Speaker 1>cursive writing. So what what you're talking about is a

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<v Speaker 1>while you can refine the organization of your brain to

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<v Speaker 1>peak performance, your neural connections also have a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>use it or lose it aspect to them as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that study with the kittens. No, this the really

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<v Speaker 1>sad study. I think it's funny that you're asking me

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<v Speaker 1>how much I remember and I keep saying no. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>There was this study that um that involved kittens having

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<v Speaker 1>one eye so and shut from birth, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>they were allowed to frolic and play and do whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but they just had one eye so and shut UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after I think like eight or ten or

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<v Speaker 1>twelve weeks, the eye was um released opened up again,

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<v Speaker 1>and the kittens were blind for life. And I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they killed the kittens and looked at what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the brain and they found that that they say,

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<v Speaker 1>the left eye had been so and shut during the

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<v Speaker 1>stage of development. UM. The neural connections had all traveled

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<v Speaker 1>to the right eye, which was seeing, and the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that had been there on the left eye that formed

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<v Speaker 1>the optic were withered and dead. You know what they

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<v Speaker 1>called that experiment, They called the saddest experiment in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the world. It's pretty bad. It's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>bad experiment, but it basically goes to show you that

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<v Speaker 1>not only will neural connections wither and die if they're

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<v Speaker 1>not used, they'll also migrate to places where they can

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<v Speaker 1>be used. There's kind of like a survival of the fittest,

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<v Speaker 1>like um jungle grab for firing, because the more fired

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<v Speaker 1>a neural connection is, the more important it is, the

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<v Speaker 1>stronger it's going to be right, right and f I

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<v Speaker 1>I Giraffe neurons can grow up to three ft in length. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>are they all in the neck. Isn't that cool? That

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty cool. Uh. So we were talking about encoding, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to really be paying attention to properly encode,

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<v Speaker 1>and we also talked about filtering things out. What they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know again, is this maybe the first time we've

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<v Speaker 1>said it, is are we screening this stimuli out during

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<v Speaker 1>the first initial sensory stage or are we literally processing

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<v Speaker 1>it and saying no, we don't need this, get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, it would make sense to me that

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<v Speaker 1>it comes afterward, but they don't know. Yeah, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me too, Like the hippocampus is like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a bear, so forget it. Yeah, forget that. So

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<v Speaker 1>are we at short term and long term? Josh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to store all memories, even if it's just

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<v Speaker 1>for a blip, you're going to be storing it, or

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a memory, even the shortest of short term

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<v Speaker 1>memories as a memory. And there are three ways they

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<v Speaker 1>believe that we store these memories. We've already talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the sensory stage. Then you have the short term if

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<v Speaker 1>it's deemed important enough to remember at least for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, and then eventually long term. Yeah, if it's

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<v Speaker 1>really important to you, which there's different ways to look

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<v Speaker 1>at long term memory. The way that I found is

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<v Speaker 1>that long term memory is this dormant neural projection, all

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<v Speaker 1>the all the different neural connections that make up that

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<v Speaker 1>rich memory you know from long ago. Um that it's there,

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<v Speaker 1>like it can be activated again. It's long term memories,

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<v Speaker 1>short term memories when it's active, and then working memory,

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<v Speaker 1>which isn't in this article. Working memory is like bringing

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<v Speaker 1>something to mind and then the action of consciously keeping

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<v Speaker 1>it in mind, like repeating a phone number over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again that you knew before, but you're having to

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<v Speaker 1>to remind yourself you're keeping it in your working memory. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny you mentioned phone number because short term memory

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<v Speaker 1>is really limited. UM. I love the status. It says

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<v Speaker 1>that short term memory can hold about seven items for

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<v Speaker 1>no more than twenty or thirty seconds at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why when you see something like a phone number,

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be able to remember that. So what you

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<v Speaker 1>do is you break it down, or it's already broken

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<v Speaker 1>down usually for you UH into three sets of three

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<v Speaker 1>or two sets of three and one set of four.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be missing a digit. And that's how you

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<v Speaker 1>remember things and then saying it over and over. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's all sorts of exercises you can do to remember things,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you meet somebody. That's where I'm bad. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how I am with remembering names. I can

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<v Speaker 1>never remember names. But you're also very friendly. You can

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, I I recognize your face. What's your name? Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I might remember. You could say you met this

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<v Speaker 1>girl Francis at this thing that we did, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say who. I'd say, oh, that the lady who wore

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<v Speaker 1>the overalls in the flip flops. Like I'll remember things

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<v Speaker 1>like that forever. Names forget about it. That's why you

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<v Speaker 1>have all the names of everyone you've ever met written

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<v Speaker 1>down on your hand. That's why I have no friends.

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<v Speaker 1>But long term memory can store everything forever if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to. Yeah, that seems like a ge whiz we

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know exactly what's going on kind of statement,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I totally agree. When I read that, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, really, yeah, I don't know about that one,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is I would agree that it's um at

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<v Speaker 1>least as much as we need or another way to

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<v Speaker 1>look at it is, what if we are all operating

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much a capacity. How much more incredibly intelligent would

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<v Speaker 1>we be if we had even like more memory storage.

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<v Speaker 1>But like we mentioned earlier, things that are important to you,

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<v Speaker 1>you're more likely to remember. Um. And then when you're

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<v Speaker 1>encoding how you're perceiving things. That's why I probably when

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<v Speaker 1>I meet someone, I look at their shoes and they're

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<v Speaker 1>wearing I guess, and and and I'm distracted. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of the fact that they said their name when

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<v Speaker 1>they shook my hand. Well, you just hit two big points.

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<v Speaker 1>One that's something that is meaningful to you. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to remember more. That's because emotion is usually attached the emotion.

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<v Speaker 1>The seat of emotion is the amygdala, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>directly connected to the hippocampus. It's got like a direct

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<v Speaker 1>line to the hippocampus, like up coming through I'm first

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<v Speaker 1>right the saddle on the sea horse, if you will, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's great. Um, the uh, that's really good, and

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<v Speaker 1>the there's a I guess. The one of the big

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<v Speaker 1>theories behind what emotions are, why we have them, is

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<v Speaker 1>they're basically like learning guides. They're teaching guides Like you

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<v Speaker 1>feel fear, um, you're going to remember that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>fear when you see a bear, and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>stay away from bears. Um Or joy makes us all

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what makes us feel familiar with other people groups,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which is right away from it keeps bears away.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, eight people could beat up a bear rather

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<v Speaker 1>than just one. So we have emotions, and we learned

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<v Speaker 1>from our emotions, which is why we managed to remember

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>things so much more clearly when there's an emotion attached.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you examine most of your memories, there's probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to be some sort of emotional memory. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the surface there. Like have you ever watched the

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<v Speaker 1>movie and you know, it's really dramatic and intense and

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<v Speaker 1>that scene ends and you kind of come out of

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<v Speaker 1>it like you were just totally sucked in, and you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of come out of it because the next scene

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<v Speaker 1>started and it's it's you know, the build up hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>happened yet for that scene, but you realize you have

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of um remnant, uneasy feeling that you have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what it belongs to any longer. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you realize, wait a minute, I was just identifying with

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, So I that's I think that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the the same kind of underlying emotional memory that can

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<v Speaker 1>be attached to anything, and that makes it more poignant

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<v Speaker 1>and more likely to be remembered. Yeah, exactly, and that

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<v Speaker 1>and and that may be more important to one person

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<v Speaker 1>than another. So it's typical to say I have a

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<v Speaker 1>good memory or a bad memory. And what's probably more

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<v Speaker 1>likely is that you might be really good at remembering

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<v Speaker 1>some things but not others, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're having trouble remembering something, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>your entire memory system is is not working. It's probably

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<v Speaker 1>like one part. Because I think there's three stages to

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<v Speaker 1>actually keeping a memory around, and it just means one

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<v Speaker 1>of those is not working quite well. Uh, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you tell me? Okay, Well, basically that you can say

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<v Speaker 1>that when well, let's take an example of eyeglasses. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>would you neither one of us were right, But let's

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<v Speaker 1>say we did, and we're going to bed. Right, You're

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:57.119
<v Speaker 1>going to bed in a separate from me, okay, And um,

0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>you're you take your glasses off and you you toss them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, off to on the nightstand and go to sleep. Right,

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:08.160
<v Speaker 1>if you looked at your eyeglasses where you set them,

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 1>you were, you would be perceiving their placement encoding, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is going to make it likelier for that memory

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<v Speaker 1>to be retained. And then when you wake up, since

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>the memory is retained, you'll be able to retrieve it.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are the three steps. It's awareness, retention, and

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<v Speaker 1>then retrieval, and any of those three is where the

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown can occur. Yeah, and I've heard you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of tips, like if you say out loud

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<v Speaker 1>as you're as you're doing it, I'm putting my eyeglasses

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<v Speaker 1>on the nightstand, that might help you. You might seem

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<v Speaker 1>a little weird, but that will help you remember it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Chuck, what about aging, Like there's this underlying fear

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<v Speaker 1>among everybody that as we get older, our memories are

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<v Speaker 1>going to go. And that's that's true in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cases, but it's not necessarily you know, it's often

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<v Speaker 1>associated with Alzheimer's or dementia or something that's not necessarily

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the underlying mechanism. It's not the mechanism, but it does happen. Um,

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.879
<v Speaker 1>there is a breakdown that starts with the onset of

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>sexual maturity. Oddly, it's linked to that then you start

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 1>forgetting things. Um and it uh, I think it gets

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<v Speaker 1>worse and worse until we reach our fifties. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>twenties to fifties is when you're you really have some

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<v Speaker 1>trouble initially, right, But the brain isn't changing it it's

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<v Speaker 1>structure or anything. It's the connections that start to fail.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? That's what I understand. Although they did

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<v Speaker 1>say the brain in the in hippocampus shrink in your seventies.

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>It depends, yes, I think. Um. What they're finding though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that a lot of it has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the lack of stimulation. Well that's huge. Yeah. Um. They

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<v Speaker 1>found that rats that are raised with lots of toys

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<v Speaker 1>or they are given lots of toys and stimulating environment

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<v Speaker 1>later on in life have literally fatter, healthier cells, brain cells,

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<v Speaker 1>neurons um then their counterparts, and the same as in

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<v Speaker 1>humans as well. At the very least, we know that

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<v Speaker 1>our neurons shrink as we get older, like you said.

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>But they found they found that stimulating environments, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're in a nursing home and and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot going on, rather than just like go sit in

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 1>your room, right, the people at the lots going on

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 1>nursing home are going to be a lot more um

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<v Speaker 1>I guess intelligent later in life, or at the very

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<v Speaker 1>least they're going to have better memories, is another way

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to put it. Yeah. Well, Emily's grandmother, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is ninety and she is uh has a very robust

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 1>personality and memory and she is I think it's all

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>due to the fact that she exercises that muscle quite

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a bit. She does word puzzles every day, she's she's

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>on the internet more than I am. She's on all

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of our Facebook page and she just you know, that's

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.919
<v Speaker 1>how you stay vital. If you don't Facebook, I'd be

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 1>a heck of a endorsement. Facebook let you live forever.

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 1>But it's true though, I mean, anyway you want to

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 1>go about it, if you're exercising that noodle, it's gonna

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 1>stay strong and and you can regenerate and stay vital

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>and not not slip darkly into the night. And also

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 1>they're they're pretty sure that a reduction in production of

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<v Speaker 1>acetal colin, which is a neurotransmitter that's strongly associated with

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<v Speaker 1>um memory formation. Yeah, they kind of pinpointed that. Yeah,

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>they're not exactly sure how that works, but they know

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>that like if you the more a setal colin you have,

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the better memory you have and vice versa. But they

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<v Speaker 1>can you can actually reverse that, right what through the

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>mental exercises? Yeah, yeah, I think you can boost production

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>like that, and I'm sure pretty soon they'll have a

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.880
<v Speaker 1>setal coline shots where you can just shoot right into

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>our brains like memory junkies. If you're a smoker or

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:58.879
<v Speaker 1>a drinker or generally unhealthy, it's gonna you know, impact

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>your memory too. And then last, sadly, this is the

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>this is the one that um I find the most

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 1>fascinating about memory. There's something called sleep dependent memory consolidation.

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>And basically what happens, remember when we were talking about sleepwalking,

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Your brain goes through your your you go through two phases,

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 1>one where your body is active but your brain is out,

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and then the R E M sleep, the deepest sleep,

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>which where your body can't move but your brain's going.

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>It's basically taking advantage of your you napping so that

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>it can do some paperwork or whatever, and it goes

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>through and fires all the neural connections that were used

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>that day. Maybe some are kind of fading a little

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>bit here there, fires those and um, while you're sleeping,

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>your brain is basically creating perception again, right, got by

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>firing your your neural projections, which I think is probably

0:28:56.320 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the best explanation for dreams I've ever heard. Yeah, that's it. Uh. Well,

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I will just close by saying if I have ever

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>met you and I don't remember your name, please don't

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>be offended, because I guarantee you I recognize your face.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Who was it, Tammy with the overalls and the flip flops.

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll remember all that stuff. I remember. I feel like

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>last time I was, last time I was in New York,

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Emily marveled at I saw I think two different people

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that I said, Hey, that person was at our our

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 1>trivia night, you know, a year and a half ago

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>or two years ago or whatever. She said? You remember that?

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I want? Yeah, so I remember all those faces. That's

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>very good, just not the names. And if you think

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>your memory is going try paying more attention. Distraction is

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest threats to memory formation. And if

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>you don't form a memory properly, you're not gonna remember it.

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean it sounds that sounds so basic, but yeah,

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>proper encoding requires concentration, and really, you know, look at

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the glasses as you set them next to the alarm

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:01.239
<v Speaker 1>clock and think I just put the there. Yeah, so

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.840
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0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.400
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0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:15.000
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0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>search bar how stuff works dot com And you don't

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>want to read any of that. It's uh well, I'm yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>uh now it's time for a listener made Josh. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna call this uh maggot mania. Yeah, that really got

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to people. I always find it like, um I opening

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>when I just tell a story from my life and

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>everybody's like, oh my god, I couldn't eat. Yeah I'm

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh sorry, all right. This is from cath

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>in Australia. Oh hello, guys. I have done the exact

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>same thing as you, Josh. I put some meat in

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<v Speaker 1>a plastic bag in the kitchen garbage bin, which also

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.120
<v Speaker 1>had a lid, and woke up to a moving floor.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Or only I was was not wearing my glasses so

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 1>she might forget where she laid them. Um I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing a little cleaning, and it's slowly dawned at me

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>what had happened. I had begun my morning by sweeping.

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I had made cookies a night prior and was noticing

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<v Speaker 1>all these little balls of dough on the floor. They

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>were very hard to sweep up. I became more and

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>more confused at the huge amount of tiny balls of

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>dough until I had bent down and had a closer look.

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>It was like a horror movie. My blood went cold,

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and I crouched an utter panic. I then looked across

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the floor and these little dough balls had made their

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>way across the entire apartment, and they made it to

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the bedroom carpet. I was totally disgusted and horrified. I

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>think I was even doing that half panic cry, swearing

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>quietly to myself thing I'm not aware of that. I

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>got rid of them by patiently sweeping them up. I

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>couldn't bear to squish them and have to clean up

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that mess, and I put them into a plastic bag

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 1>that I left sitting outside. I sprayed the bag with

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<v Speaker 1>disinfectant and bug spray after every dump of maggots, but

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>there were still they were still squirming. I will never

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<v Speaker 1>ever ever leave meat unattended Again, I live in Australia,

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>where I should have been aware of this. I thought

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>she mc cookies, she need meat cookies. Was that just unrelated?

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it was unrelated and that maybe explained that

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>why she thought there was dough on the floor. Now

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>she's said a meat cookies night before. This is Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe have meat cookies down and there. I want some

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<v Speaker 1>meat cookie. That's it. That's from cat. Wow. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a weird exposition there, Chuck, that was cat. Yeah from Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Well thanks Cat the maggot hata h you're just Cat

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<v Speaker 1>k A t h cant short for Katherine or Cat. Well,

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