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Speaker 4: the Emmy Award winning That is Nate Newton, the three
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Speaker 4: Listen? I don't you know. I love you know, I
Speaker 4: love a good shirt with some good color in it. Man,
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Speaker 5: Is that a Jersey thing?
Speaker 4: No, it's it's it's an election day, like the color election.
Speaker 4: It's it's an election day. Yeah, I am in New
Speaker 4: Jersey because today is election day. My big brother, Jamel
Speaker 4: Holly is running for mayor for the third time. He's
Speaker 4: already a two times mayor, so he's come back for
Speaker 4: the third time. And things are looking good for us fellas,
Speaker 4: the Holly family looking really really good. But I'm excited
Speaker 4: to be with you all this morning as we dig
Speaker 4: and dive into Many camping started, Mini Camp started, and Nate,
Speaker 4: you have make you have a feeling about Mini Camp
Speaker 4: and OTAs and all of this offseason stuff. So I'm
Speaker 4: gonna let you have the floor, Nate, and you tell
Speaker 4: us how you feel about.
Speaker 6: It about Many Camp, about ot Ash. I have jes
Speaker 6: you just set me out because I don't. I don't
Speaker 6: have no feelings about it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: It is not a physical That's what I wanted to hear.
Speaker 6: It is not a physical thing. It's all mental and are.
Speaker 7: They do you think they're still able to get the
Speaker 7: work in and the development they need.
Speaker 3: As far as the mental aspect.
Speaker 6: This this is what's uh disappointing, is they're putting in.
Speaker 6: They can put stuff in much faster than when men
Speaker 6: and Jessey did it because we had to go out
Speaker 6: there and physically run fast, hit do so we not
Speaker 6: only dealing with the mental.
Speaker 3: We was dealing with the physical.
Speaker 6: Well, now you just straight they can just get day
Speaker 6: in and day I'll put ten new things in because
Speaker 6: it ain't like you going on the field and get
Speaker 6: a lot of work physically to exhaust you. So you
Speaker 6: can't gather this stuff mentally. Uh what you don't want
Speaker 6: to see and you put it in your notes. We
Speaker 6: don't want to see Jalen Tobert not No, we don't
Speaker 6: need another high round draft pick, not know how to
Speaker 6: line up next year? What was mini camp OTAs and
Speaker 6: all this personal stuff that we've done, it didn't amount
Speaker 6: to nothing. So that's my big issue is.
Speaker 7: It does it hurt them that even though yes, it's
Speaker 7: all mental, they can't quite learn it until they got
Speaker 7: the pads on and are really.
Speaker 6: No, it's more like college in college, and Jesse attest
Speaker 6: to this.
Speaker 3: In college, we are you didn't go on no pads.
Speaker 6: Early when you know, when you got out of when
Speaker 6: you got out of spring training, which spring training, we
Speaker 6: was in paths. Back when we played, we were in
Speaker 6: paths every day. But even now these kids are not
Speaker 6: in paths, but they're running.
Speaker 3: If you can run fast to.
Speaker 6: A certain extent, because it's all about can you get
Speaker 6: yourself up to the level of the game. How far
Speaker 6: away is you from the level of the game. So
Speaker 6: a lot of college coaches still have their kids out
Speaker 6: there running fast, moving fast, hustling, you know, trying to
Speaker 6: get some exhaustion in that way. But it's all about
Speaker 6: the mental thing. And and if these guys go out here,
Speaker 6: line up, get some speed in along with this mental
Speaker 6: they should be all right because the.
Speaker 3: League is the same across the board.
Speaker 6: The coaches don't call the shots, and the gms don't
Speaker 6: call the shots anymore.
Speaker 3: The league called the shots.
Speaker 4: The one thing I would push back on, Nate when
Speaker 4: it comes to on the field stuff, like you alluded to,
Speaker 4: in college, you do have that period of spring ball
Speaker 4: where it's live action, where it's legit pads on you know,
Speaker 4: maybe not tackling to the ground unless you're in the
Speaker 4: spring game. But there is some thudding and some hitting.
Speaker 4: And the biggest part about the learning curve is what
Speaker 4: happens when the live bullets are flying and you know,
Speaker 4: speaking of Jala Toober and we're not beating a dead horse.
Speaker 4: But I can't help but to go back to that
Speaker 4: play when he was in the season where Jala Toler
Speaker 4: got inserted in the game and he lines up and
Speaker 4: he's looking in at the football, but he's lined up
Speaker 4: off sides and he's just standing there a foot in
Speaker 4: front of the football and looking into the football at
Speaker 4: the football, And that to me is different when when
Speaker 4: you do everything it's all a walkthrough, which a lot
Speaker 4: of these practices are, or it's a you know, a
Speaker 4: jog through. There's something about when the when the live
Speaker 4: bullets start flowing, where does your mind go? Because everybody
Speaker 4: doesn't have the temperament or the mindset of when things
Speaker 4: get chaotic that I get calm. You know, if you
Speaker 4: if you're ever around like Navy seals, you get to
Speaker 4: try to speak to Navy seals or people like that.
Speaker 4: They'll tell you that in the in the most chaotic
Speaker 4: moment is when they become their comments, is when they
Speaker 4: know that they they can't get erratic like the situation.
Speaker 4: They can't let the situation elevate them to a point
Speaker 4: where they're not able to think correctly. And I think
Speaker 4: that's the part that's missing when you when you take
Speaker 4: the pads away, and I get it, this is self inflicted.
Speaker 4: The players wanted this. This wasn't an ownership thing, This
Speaker 4: wasn't a league thing. This was a players want to
Speaker 4: take the pads off, to have less hitting, to have
Speaker 4: all those things. But what return. What happens is, especially
Speaker 4: for those young guys coming in now, when you have
Speaker 4: to add into that point of all right, the live
Speaker 4: bullets are flying and Tony's point, when that fatigue kicks in.
Speaker 4: I don't know what coach or what person said that
Speaker 4: it says, but fatigue will make cowards of us. All.
Speaker 4: It's what happens when you get a little bit tired, Lombard,
Speaker 4: You get a little bit tired, you get a little
Speaker 4: bit exhausted, you get a little bit of kind of
Speaker 4: just the situation gets a little bit elevated. Now, what
Speaker 4: does your mental do, Because if you haven't trained for that,
Speaker 4: if you haven't prepared yourself for that, especially a young guy.
Speaker 4: You get in these situations and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: your brain goes haywire and you don't have the ability
Speaker 4: to properly lock in and focus and have the game
Speaker 4: slowed down for you. Instead it speeds up, and now
Speaker 4: you're erratic. It's erratic, and now things are all over
Speaker 4: the place. And as you know, especially offensively and defensively
Speaker 4: as well, is when you have a certain guy that's
Speaker 4: not on the same page with a quarterback or you know,
Speaker 4: alignment aren't all going in the same direction. Now guys
Speaker 4: are missing blocks, guys are missing assignments, and that can
Speaker 4: be that can be devastating blow to your football team.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they now the difference here between OTA's and mini camps.
Speaker 7: Many camps are mandatory, so you expect everybody to be there.
Speaker 7: They can do seven on seven drills, eleven on eleven drills.
Speaker 7: I think the like receivers and corners can do one
Speaker 7: on ones, but there's no life contact, no hitting, no
Speaker 7: pads other than helmets and that sort of thing. So
Speaker 7: not being able to do this like you were saying,
Speaker 7: and get prepared with the physical aspect of it along
Speaker 7: with the mental Does that hurt this hurt teams? I
Speaker 7: guess every NFL team faces it. We've joked about the
Speaker 7: first four games of the regular season and actually the
Speaker 7: preseason guy, guys.
Speaker 3: They ain't no joke.
Speaker 7: Does it hurt more then or does it hurt more
Speaker 7: later in the year because they run into that fatigue
Speaker 7: like you were talking about.
Speaker 6: Just when you have not when you have not made
Speaker 6: sure when you scouted these young guys, either first year
Speaker 6: players or rookies, our second year player, you scouted these
Speaker 6: guys and not talk to the right people to find
Speaker 6: out that their mentals, like Jesse, be the hya your
Speaker 6: dentals and your mentals. When you find out these mentals
Speaker 6: are loose and not strong, that's when you run into
Speaker 6: this Jesse talking about a mental thing, you know, and
Speaker 6: that and.
Speaker 3: That's where these guys, that's what hurts your team.
Speaker 6: When you got a third round pick, you got a
Speaker 6: first round pick who you depended on for sixty five
Speaker 6: percent of your snaps, say hey, this guy gotta develop,
Speaker 6: he's got to be something to help our team. And
Speaker 6: you can find out, wow, and that that's what it hurts.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: But if you got to buy a bunch of smart
Speaker 6: guys that can make that adjustment and transfer that from
Speaker 6: the classroom to one hundred miles an hour in the game.
Speaker 6: It's much easier to get it going. I just think
Speaker 6: with this new offense ess and you can speak to
Speaker 6: this as a wide receiver about the West Coast uh normal,
Speaker 6: you know, because I was just in a number system
Speaker 6: that you know, you where the numbers say go. But
Speaker 6: this West Coast thing is a little bit different. And
Speaker 6: the paragraphs can get pretty long.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 6: You can quarterback and going in the you can have
Speaker 6: a long paragraph. You got a lot of things to do.
Speaker 6: I'm I correct, Yes, I'm gonna send it wrong.
Speaker 4: No, you're absolutely right that those paragraph does get a
Speaker 4: little bit long. The Verberts does get a little bit lengthy.
Speaker 4: I think one other thing that they're going to try
Speaker 4: to do is is take some of the concepts and
Speaker 4: keep them in the same language that Dak was used to, right,
Speaker 4: because it's always like, you know, always be quarterback friendly,
Speaker 4: be Dak Freley. The biggest thing about this West Coast
Speaker 4: offense is it's now getting your linemen to adjust to
Speaker 4: the quickness of how where the ball is coming out,
Speaker 4: the ball is being released and then now have your quarterback,
Speaker 4: receivers and running backs and tight ends all being on
Speaker 4: the same page timy wise. That's the biggest thing about
Speaker 4: the West Coast offense. It's timing everything now in all
Speaker 4: offenses are timed right in a sense, but this is
Speaker 4: more This is even more sped up, and there's more
Speaker 4: responsibility in the route running. What I mean by that
Speaker 4: is you have one situation where a receiver will see
Speaker 4: an adjustment from the line of scrimmage when the covers
Speaker 4: changes pre snap. One thing about the West Coast offense
Speaker 4: is they do a lot of it literally in route adjustments.
Speaker 4: They do the you can snap. You can see one
Speaker 4: thing pre snap, the ball is snap, the defense now
Speaker 4: rotates to you know, middle of the field open, middle
Speaker 4: of the field closed, and now mid route. You have
Speaker 4: to be able to see that adjustment and then make
Speaker 4: the right decision. Those are the things that when you
Speaker 4: look at mini camps and training camps, in those preseason
Speaker 4: games when you're implementing a new offense or new style
Speaker 4: of offense, that you want to see those guys get
Speaker 4: connected with because what you don't want to have what
Speaker 4: we saw a couple of times last year in the
Speaker 4: old offense where receiver and quarterback work on the same page. Receiver,
Speaker 4: quarterback and tight end work on the same page, and
Speaker 4: it led to untimely turnovers and that you know, turnovers
Speaker 4: in any game can kill you, but especially when you're
Speaker 4: trying to get a new offense off the ground in
Speaker 4: a year. Might I add where there's going to be
Speaker 4: a ton of press sure on Dak Prescott, there's going
Speaker 4: to be a ton of pressure on Mike McCarthy for
Speaker 4: this thing, for them to get this ball rolling early
Speaker 4: so that this team can look like a formidable opponent
Speaker 4: and a formidable Super Bowl contender by the end of
Speaker 4: the year.
Speaker 7: So what can because there's no contact now, I would
Speaker 7: think trying to work on those timings and the speed
Speaker 7: of the game with the linement is a lot lot tougher.
Speaker 7: What can they do now to kind of build on that,
Speaker 7: start building that foundation speed.
Speaker 6: One thing that the limited times I was around most
Speaker 6: West Coast offenses is regardless of whether it was MENI
Speaker 6: Camp or whatever.
Speaker 3: And Jesse made was different for you.
Speaker 6: But these guys believe in running fast, running, running the
Speaker 6: routes wide open, quarterback throwing the ball. They that Thelignement
Speaker 6: could be doing what they want to do. But the
Speaker 6: receivers in the run of everybody, these coaches demanded, now,
Speaker 6: any want you diving at the ball. They WEREN'TNNA let
Speaker 6: no cornerback jam hit you deep down the field, but
Speaker 6: they wanted you running that thing wide open. And I
Speaker 6: don't know if they were if coach mccarthur wire asked
Speaker 6: for that, or to receive a coach.
Speaker 3: But if the quicker you, the closer you can.
Speaker 6: Become to game speed, the easier it is when the
Speaker 6: game they start. And that's what Jesse's saying that if
Speaker 6: you used to just jog trying out, that's to the
Speaker 6: end of the line. Hey go to defense, lilly gagging around?
Speaker 6: What are you learning?
Speaker 3: They are?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was supposed to be back there in the
Speaker 6: deep third, but I didn't get back there. Well, you
Speaker 6: gave your your wide receiver a bad read. So now
Speaker 6: when the season started, and we laugh about Nate Noon
Speaker 6: saying the first four games a straight pre season, all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, that's what we see. You know, we
Speaker 6: were fortunate, very fortunate.
Speaker 3: Last year. We were very fortunate. And yeah, and so I.
Speaker 6: Don't I don't think fortunate rides like that year and
Speaker 6: the year out.
Speaker 7: You know, can they make can they make ross your
Speaker 7: decisions now in mini camp?
Speaker 6: Yeah, people try to disagree with me. Well, this last
Speaker 6: preseason game, we got four spots, O man to tell
Speaker 6: that to an idiot. They know who they want on
Speaker 6: the scene. They know who they want on this team,
Speaker 6: and they will know when training camp. They may say, Okay,
Speaker 6: this training camp, we got to make a decision on
Speaker 6: these four guys because with the lack of running wide open,
Speaker 6: the lack of getting after it doing training camp, how
Speaker 6: you gonna tell me you I ain't never hit a
Speaker 6: licking a snake. I'm a fourth round pick. I ain't
Speaker 6: never hit nobody.
Speaker 3: You know, how you know that I can play in
Speaker 3: the game?
Speaker 6: The preseasons don't mean that much. How you know can
Speaker 6: I play? Ain't nobody ran no different schemes. I just
Speaker 6: don't went out there and ran against the basic four
Speaker 6: to three. So how do you know I can really
Speaker 6: play when I don't played against a bunch of garbage dudes?
Speaker 6: I'm saying, So, you got to know who's gonna make
Speaker 6: your team. You got to have a you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: you may disagree.
Speaker 4: Yes, no, no, yeah, no, no, no, no, I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 4: And the reason being is like Will McClay is no idiot, right,
Speaker 4: Like he's no dummy by far. And so they look
Speaker 4: at these guys and they know, all right, this guy
Speaker 4: he's on. I mean, sixty percent of your roster is
Speaker 4: already or you know, sixty seven percent has already made.
Speaker 4: If they had to choose today, they can tell you
Speaker 4: sixty to seventy percent of their roster who it is.
Speaker 4: And now it's a guy here and there. But what
Speaker 4: you look for in ot as, what you look for
Speaker 4: in OTAs right now, I know I about sixty seven
Speaker 4: percent and that's and that's the guy that you you know,
Speaker 4: come back from last year. Your draft picks are still
Speaker 4: you know, of course in there. And then you're looking
Speaker 4: for that. You're looking for those guys that are saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: who can I put on this roster? That will that
Speaker 4: will show up now after mini camp that number will
Speaker 4: rise again. The biggest thing that you want to see
Speaker 4: and the OTAs in the mini camps is football is
Speaker 4: ninety percent mental, ten percent physical. And that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 4: I want to know that this person is about.
Speaker 6: Stop just stop say that. Repeat that again. It is
Speaker 6: repeat what you just said, football is.
Speaker 4: Football is ninety percent mental and ten percent physical.
Speaker 3: Until you get hit and then its physical. Yeah, until
Speaker 3: you get hit because.
Speaker 4: Nate Nate Kurt. Listen, guys, we've all been hit. Like
Speaker 4: we've all been hit.
Speaker 6: You don't get the National Football League.
Speaker 3: Tell jayaln tobera that you.
Speaker 4: Don't get hit, you know, Jalen problem. Jaylen Tobert's problem
Speaker 4: wasn't that he couldn't take a hit, Jalen. Wasn't it
Speaker 4: that he couldn't do what was Jaya totals problem? Mental?
Speaker 4: Jayla Tober couldn't figure out what the hell of line
Speaker 4: up at? Jaya Tober couldn't fill out what the hell
Speaker 4: to do on the football field.
Speaker 9: It wasn't his physical action lights. Physical action got to
Speaker 9: action what got him lights? That's mental, all men. I
Speaker 9: was all mental, That is all.
Speaker 3: Men, incidentals.
Speaker 7: I do agree that for guys at your level, yeah,
Speaker 7: at that.
Speaker 5: Point it becomes mental.
Speaker 7: But for guys like me, physically, there's no way I
Speaker 7: could ever.
Speaker 5: Be on that field. So it's you know, but.
Speaker 3: Guy, dude tried environment. But yeah, I got a Harvard degree.
Speaker 6: I said, let me drop this ham on your head
Speaker 6: and see what and see what how you're thinking after
Speaker 6: about ten plays, and I.
Speaker 3: Bet you I think clear to you.
Speaker 6: He looked at me like what I said, Let me
Speaker 6: jack this hammer against your faux head about three times
Speaker 6: and let me see how you can break down this
Speaker 6: trigger numb draft of that.
Speaker 4: All right, fellas man, We're gonna take a break and
Speaker 4: do a little math because Nate didn' drop the hammer
Speaker 4: on after this, After this break, man, we'll continue to
Speaker 4: talk about the Cowboys, OTA's mini camps. Who's the preussure
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Speaker 4: As we continue to dive into the Cowboys off season,
Speaker 4: of course, the conversation will always continue to be especially
Speaker 4: when you're talking about names and stardom is the money.
Speaker 4: You know, what guys will be signed, what guys won't
Speaker 4: be signed, how things will work out. But there's one
Speaker 4: player that Jerry's kind of continued to keep kind of
Speaker 4: his name in his mouth a little bit. Pauls. We've
Speaker 4: tried to move on from it, but we've quite can't.
Speaker 4: And Jerry comes out and he's still talking about your boy, Nate.
Speaker 4: The one the only mister feed me himself is Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 4: Why do you think that when this conversation hasn't been
Speaker 4: put to bed? I have my thoughts, but I'm gonna
Speaker 4: let you guys kind of give me your thoughts about it.
Speaker 4: Why do you think Jerry and Steven and company haven't
Speaker 4: put this Zeke Elliott story completely to bed? But it's
Speaker 4: always the door is still open. We haven't closed the
Speaker 4: door on that. We're thinking, well, you know, we're looking
Speaker 4: at all our options and that option isn't dead yet.
Speaker 4: Why why do you put an end too, the Ezekiel
Speaker 4: Elliott saga.
Speaker 6: Because you know who he is and what he does
Speaker 6: for your team. You know, he know his role, and
Speaker 6: I think they think that he will accept his role.
Speaker 6: He will not be a detriment to the team. That's
Speaker 6: why I think they won't put it to bed.
Speaker 3: I mean, so you.
Speaker 7: Think, like I wonder, does he know what? Do he
Speaker 7: know his role and accept its role? And even if
Speaker 7: he would sign for three million.
Speaker 3: He would come back?
Speaker 5: Do you think so he's not.
Speaker 7: Such a big presence that Nah Pollard looking over his shoulder.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 6: I think in this way, Zeg is a lot more
Speaker 6: mature than people want to give him credit for when
Speaker 6: it comes to this right here, because they still don't
Speaker 6: want to get to Pollard to ball.
Speaker 3: More than twenty snaps a game. They still do not
Speaker 3: want to do that.
Speaker 6: When Tony's at his best, it's around fifteen to twenty
Speaker 6: carries touches, whether it's throwing the ball to him, handing
Speaker 6: it to him. You don't want to lose that he's got.
Speaker 6: If you keep it where you have it at now,
Speaker 6: Tony can play another three years and be very, very explosive.
Speaker 6: You app him up just about five more snaps a game,
Speaker 6: you won't have that guy by the end of the year.
Speaker 3: So we know who Zeke hells.
Speaker 6: We know what he can do, and he's mature enough,
Speaker 6: I think, because even last year when Tony was getting
Speaker 6: out of fame, did we lose Zeke.
Speaker 3: I know the money was big for Zeke, but he
Speaker 3: can float around out here.
Speaker 6: And if you don't get anything, would you rather put
Speaker 6: your money on Zeke or would you rather put it
Speaker 6: on the new sixth round draft pick?
Speaker 5: True, he has that veteran.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my.
Speaker 4: Opinion is completely different than both of yous, completely different,
Speaker 4: completely different. Mine is a two part opinion. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: give it to you. Mine is a two part opinion.
Speaker 4: Park One is I think that I think that Jerry
Speaker 4: Jones continues to keep the Zeke Elliott thing in his
Speaker 4: mouth in the conversation is one he know, he knows
Speaker 4: when he says it, or he doesn't say it, or
Speaker 4: he leaves that mysterious type of outcome to it. We
Speaker 4: talk about it. I think it's still a topic of
Speaker 4: conversation for the Cowboys and for the Cowboys media, and
Speaker 4: so I think Jerry understands in the offseason he still
Speaker 4: wants to continue to generate that buzz and that noise
Speaker 4: and still being in the a block of every talk
Speaker 4: show hours on the networks all over the place, and
Speaker 4: still talking about in the in the article that they
Speaker 4: print online and on social media. I think he still
Speaker 4: knows that. I think he still knows as long as
Speaker 4: he does it completely in the verbally closed the door,
Speaker 4: that people will continue to drum up stories about start
Speaker 4: doing all the numbers, and a capologist will come out
Speaker 4: and they'll say, well, if they can do this and
Speaker 4: change this. So I think that's the first part that
Speaker 4: Jerry understands that as long as I keep that door
Speaker 4: open mysteriously or somehow this faint possibility, that the people
Speaker 4: will still talk about it and will still be in
Speaker 4: the news. The second thing is one thing about Jerry
Speaker 4: is that at times, at times he learns from his mistakes.
Speaker 4: And when you look at what Zeke had become to
Speaker 4: the Cowboys media, to the Cowboys fan base, Zeke went
Speaker 4: from a darling and then he kind of had his
Speaker 4: lows and they turned on them, and then they loved
Speaker 4: them again. And that part Jerry remembers what happened with Dez.
Speaker 4: He remembers how that tour the fan base apart. He
Speaker 4: remembers how the fan base were kind of divided on
Speaker 4: the whole Tony Dak situation. And so anytime you have
Speaker 4: a beloved player like Ezekiel Elliot, you kind of want
Speaker 4: to do it softly. You kind of wanted this to
Speaker 4: happen organically, like, hey, we'll continue to move on to
Speaker 4: the season, and you hope that there's no injuries to
Speaker 4: your running backs because the first injury that you have
Speaker 4: is Zeke's not on a football team. His name is
Speaker 4: gonna come up, right, So it's like, if we just
Speaker 4: organically move away from this thing. While I don't have
Speaker 4: to say that I'm completely out on Ezekiel Elliott because
Speaker 4: it's still it's still it's still wild to me that
Speaker 4: if you were going to give Zeke a second chance,
Speaker 4: then why not just work out something in the first place?
Speaker 4: Like you you you you let him go without even
Speaker 4: giving him an opportunity to to take a pay cut,
Speaker 4: and you didn't even give him a chance to say,
Speaker 4: you know what, that actually doesn't insult me, I actually
Speaker 4: will take that deal. It was like, nah, we don't
Speaker 4: want to insult him. So like that that like that's
Speaker 4: the code word for we didn't want to insult him,
Speaker 4: but really, we don't want for you anything like. We
Speaker 4: don't want you like. We're not offering you nothing like nothing.
Speaker 4: So the whole thing about Zeke coming back is why
Speaker 4: why why would you want a person to come back
Speaker 4: when you already had him and he didn't have to leave,
Speaker 4: you let him go. You willingly released him without even
Speaker 4: giving him a chance to be insulted by a lower number,
Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden he's gonna come back
Speaker 4: for that lower number. No. I think this is Jerry
Speaker 4: understanding that as long as I don't completely close the door,
Speaker 4: people will still speculate about it, and that keeps us
Speaker 4: in the conversation, which he loves. And then the second
Speaker 4: part about it is he understands that if I'm too
Speaker 4: hard on this breakup, then I possibly offend some fans
Speaker 4: because they begin to say, you know, Jerry, you should
Speaker 4: have done it better than that. He gave a lot
Speaker 4: for this football team, what about no, no da dah.
Speaker 4: And he doesn't want to create that fraction between the
Speaker 4: fan base and the football team like it was when
Speaker 4: they let Dez go, and they like it was when
Speaker 4: they let Tony go. He understands that that the fan
Speaker 4: base they live and die with these players and how
Speaker 4: you treat these players and so on and so forth.
Speaker 4: So he want to make sure that this thing just
Speaker 4: kind of fair needs away. We get into training camp
Speaker 4: and things going well, so they hope that there's great
Speaker 4: reports about Tony Pollitzer. People just kind of just we
Speaker 4: get into the season and just it just goes away,
Speaker 4: and you just move on to the next thing, and
Speaker 4: they'll go, Man, you know, Zeke was a really good
Speaker 4: player and you don't have him anymore.
Speaker 7: But you talk about like the fraction. I mean, does
Speaker 7: this affect the guys in the room at all time?
Speaker 5: Do they care? Are they tired of hearing about this?
Speaker 6: No, I'm gonna tell you something. Man, When you first
Speaker 6: hear it as a player for my group, we're like,
Speaker 6: oh man, big New, Oh man, we're gonna miss big New.
Speaker 3: No, man, hey Stone, you ready to play? You know
Speaker 3: you got you know you you feel Zeke?
Speaker 6: Like I say, But good, good theory anyway, Je's probably
Speaker 6: the right theory.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: But my bottom line is this right here. Uh, if
Speaker 6: Zeke was to come back, I think he would be
Speaker 6: mature enough. I don't think he'll fracture that that deal.
Speaker 6: It'll put some guys on hold, you know, and maybe
Speaker 6: you don't want to do that. But Zeke is not
Speaker 6: bad for this team. He's you know, at least that's
Speaker 6: what I feel, you know, he's.
Speaker 3: Not bad for role. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So but this is the thing that's going he already
Speaker 6: faded away. I think it must just say, like missus
Speaker 6: Jones just in the media he wanted to, you know,
Speaker 6: but in the locker room, ain't nobody looking around trying
Speaker 6: to hey, wait, Zeke man gone be gone.
Speaker 3: Bro he gonet believe.
Speaker 4: That Ricoddo ain't looking for Zeke. Ronald Jones ain't looking.
Speaker 3: For the six round pick.
Speaker 4: Duke Vaughn ain't looking for Zeke. Tony Pollard ain't looking
Speaker 4: for They'll get in front of the media as they
Speaker 4: as they should. They'll go, well, you know, was a
Speaker 4: good friend, he's a good team. But that's the unwritten
Speaker 4: d that's the unwritten law that is spoken, like when
Speaker 4: you hate to lose a guy, but you but I
Speaker 4: promise you. Like when they let Rigo Dado was happy
Speaker 4: about that, like not in a negative sense, and like
Speaker 4: you know, he was like, you know what more reps
Speaker 4: for me, more opportunities for me. Yeah, So guys in
Speaker 4: that room are not like, hey, bring back Zeke now,
Speaker 4: if he comes back, they'll do the right things. Our
Speaker 4: brother is back and we'll make we'll make it work.
Speaker 4: But trust me, the guy that Zeke's reps are gonna
Speaker 4: get snatched up from that, he's gonna snatch up reps
Speaker 4: from They ain't happy to if he comes back. They
Speaker 4: you know, they're not. They're not worried about mister Jones
Speaker 4: saying it. But when they when Zeke departed, the guys,
Speaker 4: guys goes all right, there there goes another fifteen to
Speaker 4: twenty reps that I have the potential to get. Yeah,
Speaker 4: now however that breaks down in my favor or you
Speaker 4: know whatever. But there's now there's fifteen to twenty reps
Speaker 4: that have now opened up that I have opportunity in
Speaker 4: and OTA's in mini camp and training camp to win
Speaker 4: those routes. If you know, Tony Pollard, whenever he's ready
Speaker 4: to go full time, you know, I gotta make my way.
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta show these coaches that you know,
Speaker 4: I'm ready for that, whatever that role is, whatever that
Speaker 4: next role is for me, I gotta show them I'm
Speaker 4: ready for it, and now I have fifteen to twenty
Speaker 4: more opportunities to do so because he is not here.
Speaker 3: Damn, it's perfect.
Speaker 6: They are set up now, perfect because you got the
Speaker 6: twenty reps that Tony would get.
Speaker 3: And then, like Jef.
Speaker 6: Said, the Rico'donalds, the little guy, the other little guy.
Speaker 3: The little six round pick Jones.
Speaker 6: You know, now you find out what they do well
Speaker 6: and you and that's what you cater to. So now
Speaker 6: now you still got thirty touches, Yeah, thirty touches, the
Speaker 6: twenty that my man gonna get to ten or fifteen,
Speaker 6: you know that the other guy's gonna get. But the
Speaker 6: guy who's gonna win is that guy that can play
Speaker 6: third down. If I'm giving rico'donald or any of these guys,
Speaker 6: if you really want to.
Speaker 3: Win, be able to handle third down blitzes.
Speaker 6: The guy that can step forward and handle these blitzes
Speaker 6: the best, that's the guy that's gonna get the mixtra reps.
Speaker 6: And then other things are falling your lap. You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. Other things are falling your lap? You agree?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Are you there with me?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I agree with you one hundred percent. The biggest
Speaker 4: thing you want to do is find a way on
Speaker 4: the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I can find my way on the field good,
Speaker 4: you know, like whether it's third downs, whether it's whatever
Speaker 4: it is, short yardage, whatever, If I can find my
Speaker 4: way into the rotation, into the good graces of the
Speaker 4: coaches and their rotation, then what ended up happening is
Speaker 4: as a year goes on, they find more and more
Speaker 4: opportunities for us. And that's all I want. I just
Speaker 4: want opportunities. I want trust from the coaches. I want
Speaker 4: opportunities when when the situation calls for And you know,
Speaker 4: in these games, the thing about sports is that you
Speaker 4: can't predict what's going to happen down in, down out.
Speaker 4: You know, you can come in as a backup one
Speaker 4: day and the starter can twist it ain't going on
Speaker 4: the first play the game. You could come in as
Speaker 4: a backup, and you know, the guy goes down and
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden he's out three to four weeks,
Speaker 4: and now you have an opportunity to come in. We
Speaker 4: see it all the time when guys we're backups and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, the guy in front of him
Speaker 4: goes out and the backup guy comes in and these
Speaker 4: surgers to to the ascension of the starter and builds
Speaker 4: a name for himself and that can get you some
Speaker 4: money down the line. So it's all about how can
Speaker 4: I create opportunities for coaches to trust me to get
Speaker 4: into the rotation. Let's trust, Let's trust and believe. Yeah,
Speaker 4: let's let trust and believe that we're going to continue
Speaker 4: to do great things in this third segment. And this
Speaker 4: third segment we're gonna talk about Chris Simms said.
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Speaker 4: I want to come out for the desk and I
Speaker 4: was just true, like looking at tickets. Boy, Arry gets it, man,
Speaker 4: mister Jones. I was looking at like fifty, like fifty
Speaker 4: yard line lower Bowl tickets for a Jets game in
Speaker 4: the one hundred section, over two thousand dollars per ticket.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, they're not losing money over there.
Speaker 3: We need to win that game. No, no, no, we
Speaker 3: need to win that game.
Speaker 4: He's getting that money. Speaking about quarterbacks, of course, that
Speaker 4: game is going to be featured with Aaron Rodgers first
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott. But Chris Simms came out and he ranked
Speaker 4: that thirteenth among quarterbacks, behind guys like Kurt Cunneys and
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones and Matthew Stafford and has him third in
Speaker 4: the division. I think we all are on the other
Speaker 4: side of agreed disagree in this conversation. But thirteenth best
Speaker 4: thirteen better quarterbacks. I think, you know, I think Chris Simms.
Speaker 4: I think Chris Sims is part of that PFF personnel
Speaker 4: type situation, and he's looking for that. You know, so
Speaker 4: many guys now are looking for the next hot shot
Speaker 4: thing to say. Right, and again you're saying about the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys and about this quarterback in dark Prescott, did
Speaker 4: you put him thirteenth in the National Football League? I
Speaker 4: just I think that's that's a lot of clickbait from
Speaker 4: a guy like Chris Sims, or you would hope would
Speaker 4: have a little bit better understanding of the quarterback position.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got I mean, like Jesse mentioned, Kirk Cousins
Speaker 7: is twelfth, Daniel Jones the Giants is eleven, Staffords tenth.
Speaker 7: I mean you got to think he's a I mean,
Speaker 7: would you put him above those three? Make him a
Speaker 7: top ten CAMPI yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. You know, it's can you protect the ball?
Speaker 6: And that's what it's gonna come down to this year,
Speaker 6: especially with the new offense. Is Dak willing to protect
Speaker 6: the ball because now it's Ceedee Lamb willing to step
Speaker 6: up and do the extra studying. I know, Cookills he's
Speaker 6: shown to be that type of veteran. Is Michael Gallup
Speaker 6: willing to be that guy? And it's Jalen Tobert. Is
Speaker 6: he walking around with the playbooks stamp to his head?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 6: I'm being honest, because if they're not with them four
Speaker 6: preseason games, you don't want to be one in three.
Speaker 6: I keep telling New York and New York they love
Speaker 6: him so great, till they name them twice New York,
Speaker 6: New York, they love the city so great. Come on, man,
Speaker 6: we need those two games. We need one of those
Speaker 6: two games. We cannot come out of there without that.
Speaker 7: Is the fact that Prescott has got a you know,
Speaker 7: he's staring at an extension here that he's got to
Speaker 7: get worked out.
Speaker 5: Is that factor into this at all? Is play once ahead?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: I think they're gonna give an extension anyway. What you think, Jess.
Speaker 6: I think they're giving that to him anyway, I really do.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: I'm just praying that the receivers, half quarter back.
Speaker 7: The way that's set up, if they want to sign
Speaker 7: in these other guys that are looking for extensions or
Speaker 7: new deals, they've they've got an extend Dak.
Speaker 4: It looks like, yeah, I do think the extension will
Speaker 4: happen for Dak. But what that number will look like,
Speaker 4: what those guarantees will look like will definitely determine course
Speaker 4: of play. If that comes out earlier in this year
Speaker 4: and is on that same turnover carousel that he was
Speaker 4: at least like he ended the year last year. That
Speaker 4: that hurts the bottom line, That hurts the product and everything.
Speaker 4: Anytime you're not doing anything good, that means you're doing
Speaker 4: something bad and that overall hurts the product. So for Dak,
Speaker 4: while an extension is looking him in the face, for
Speaker 4: him and his representatives, I'm sure they want to get
Speaker 4: this thing done before the season starts, because if the season,
Speaker 4: if the season starts, and again, some may say Dak
Speaker 4: isn't injury prone, some may say Dak is hinting injury prone.
Speaker 4: Some may say he's injury prone. You do not know
Speaker 4: how these things are going to shake out weekend and
Speaker 4: week out. Thumb, shoulders, knees, ankles, head showed his knees
Speaker 4: and toes. You just never know how stuff is going
Speaker 4: to work out, you know, weekend and week out. In
Speaker 4: the National Football League, you're upright one second and then
Speaker 4: you're getting carted off the next second. That's the reality
Speaker 4: of the football game that we that we love to
Speaker 4: play and to watch. So for Dak the extension is
Speaker 4: looking at him in the face right that that that
Speaker 4: makes the sense, that makes the most sense, and it
Speaker 4: makes the smart money sense that they're going to sign
Speaker 4: these other guys. But if you don't get it done
Speaker 4: before the season, and you you continue another season and
Speaker 4: you lead the league in turnovers, or you have an
Speaker 4: injury that will affect the bottom dollar number like that,
Speaker 4: that's that's factual because people aren't going to pay top
Speaker 4: dollar for a guy who's injured. People aren't going to
Speaker 4: pay a top dollar for a guy who for two
Speaker 4: years who you know, if he has turnovers and problems
Speaker 4: again next year, two years in a row, is at
Speaker 4: the top of the league in turnovers. That becomes now
Speaker 4: sort of a trend and people looking at that saying, well, oh,
Speaker 4: this is this is this is what's happening. Then I
Speaker 4: don't know if we can give them all this money
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I think it was Steven yesterday. It might
Speaker 5: have been Jerry. They both spoke.
Speaker 7: You know, they've got some other guys they need trying
Speaker 7: to sign new deals with extensions, digs steal. I think
Speaker 7: the Odish is in there. Lamb Parsons down the road
Speaker 7: can they said that they'd like to get two or
Speaker 7: three done this summer, but they also said none of
Speaker 7: that is affected by what has to happen with Dak.
Speaker 5: Is that true?
Speaker 7: Can they make all these other deals if they don't
Speaker 7: know where their quarterback stands on his contract?
Speaker 6: Me, I don't know what their priority this is, so
Speaker 6: you know what their money situation is. I'm not a capologist,
Speaker 6: So you, Jesse, you have any thoughts on that, because
Speaker 6: I've been known Miss Jones, he's too much of a
Speaker 6: wizard and have wizards working for him that when he
Speaker 6: wants to get something done, I've seen him work magic.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna stay out.
Speaker 4: Of that my pay grade. Yeah. Absolutely. And that's the
Speaker 4: thing that we've come to now in the National Football
Speaker 4: League is you can make all these numbers jump. You
Speaker 4: can have all you can you can you can simone
Speaker 4: Biles and gymnastics jump all these numbers and contracts and
Speaker 4: what you signed to today. If you need to make that,
Speaker 4: restructure that contract or change this around and create voided
Speaker 4: years and all that stuff now is so readily available
Speaker 4: to you know, two front offices. It's all about if
Speaker 4: they want to do it. We look across the league
Speaker 4: all the time, you constantly say, how does this team
Speaker 4: still have money to do stuff? How does that team
Speaker 4: still have money to do stuff? Like I thought they
Speaker 4: were in cap hell? And now eventually it'll catch up
Speaker 4: to you down the road. But you can keep kicking
Speaker 4: his can and kicking this can and kicking his can,
Speaker 4: you know, down the road, and eventually we all get
Speaker 4: to a point where you know, we're gonna need a
Speaker 4: new new quarterback, and so you it's gonna reset because
Speaker 4: you're not gonna be paying the forty fifty sixty million
Speaker 4: dollars a year for a quarterback because now that quarterback's
Speaker 4: on this rookie deal and it kind of it'll reset
Speaker 4: itself later on down the line. It may not be
Speaker 4: profitable for the team because you'll be in a rebuilding mode.
Speaker 4: But again, you can always make this thing do whatever
Speaker 4: you wanted to do in terms of the numbers and
Speaker 4: creating cap space and cap room uh to to to
Speaker 4: to sign the players that you most importantly want to
Speaker 4: sign to their deals.
Speaker 7: But out of that, you know, take Dak out of
Speaker 7: the equation, not of that other group. But it sounds
Speaker 7: like they've reached out to to Diggs people Lambs. If
Speaker 7: I'm Steel, I think I'm running to the ownership right now.
Speaker 7: About who out of that group do you think would
Speaker 7: be the priority? Just whoever steps up or City Lamb?
Speaker 6: What do you think Nate cite Lamb then then then
Speaker 6: Diggs then Steal. If I'm Steel, would be easier, Yeah,
Speaker 6: easier fix if.
Speaker 7: I'm still I'm looking at it like Jalen Smith a
Speaker 7: few years ago when Zeke was up and these other guys,
Speaker 7: I'm like, give me my money now, because who knows
Speaker 7: what's going to happen.
Speaker 6: Now they're gonna have to pay steal. They don't have
Speaker 6: to pay steal. I mean is it'll be easy to
Speaker 6: fix with steal. That's why I ain't got in prod.
Speaker 6: It'll be easier fix. But Digs can get kind of tricky,
Speaker 6: and Lamb can get kind of tricky, depending on you know,
Speaker 6: who you're talking to and what you what you're working with.
Speaker 4: You know, yes, Steells deal. Steele's deal will be the
Speaker 4: easiest of the three deals to make, right because he's
Speaker 4: the lowest and kind of like you know, like does
Speaker 4: he has a little bit of wiggle room or a
Speaker 4: little bit of leverage, but not much leverage you know,
Speaker 4: so it's like his deal for a right tackle is
Speaker 4: kind of almost set in stone when you when you
Speaker 4: want to when you start dealing with the skill guys
Speaker 4: like a digs, like a like a CD Lamb, and
Speaker 4: now you start talking about, I want to be paid
Speaker 4: as one of the best dvs. I want to be
Speaker 4: paid as one of the best receivers in the league.
Speaker 4: And so those numbers, now, if it's a dollar more
Speaker 4: than what the other guy got, or if it's dollar
Speaker 4: more than what the other highest paid dB got, that
Speaker 4: those are the contract that really can kind of begin
Speaker 4: to to to to stick you a little bit, because
Speaker 4: now you're talking about a receiver that's going to be
Speaker 4: making somewhere and uppers between sixteen to twenty million dollars
Speaker 4: a season, right like that that's gonna be the number
Speaker 4: for CD Lamb, And that's a lot of money to
Speaker 4: commit to. Like when you think about it, like you'll
Speaker 4: you'll you'll have committed to four players, and most NFL teams,
Speaker 4: if you look at the way that they're constructed, out
Speaker 4: of the fifty sixty guys that they have in their roster,
Speaker 4: majority of the salary cap goes to about five to
Speaker 4: seven players, yes, quarterback, tackle, in corner, receiver, maybe another
Speaker 4: pass catcher. Right, So like most of those guys, most
Speaker 4: of your most of your salary cap is eaten up
Speaker 4: by between five to seven players on every NFL roster.
Speaker 4: You can look at it, five to seven players make
Speaker 4: up a large majority of the money in the salary cap.
Speaker 4: So if I'm still I agree, I'm running to the
Speaker 4: table saying, hey, sign me first, Let's get me out
Speaker 4: the way. Let's get me out the way. I'll put
Speaker 4: it whatever things you need to put in. But it's
Speaker 4: going to be for the diva positions, you know, for
Speaker 4: the for the skill position. Those are going to be
Speaker 4: the guys who want to to make that splash and say,
Speaker 4: and their agency as well, hey my receiver is the
Speaker 4: highest paid receiver. Even if if it's about fifty cents,
Speaker 4: I can say that I'm the highest paid receiver in
Speaker 4: the National Football League. And their owners, their their their
Speaker 4: representation can say the same. Yep, true, Wow, is that it?
Speaker 4: That's all we got?
Speaker 3: We got?
Speaker 5: Chris last Man. Correct, this is your last show. It's
Speaker 5: our break to.
Speaker 3: Chris, Chris, Yes, is this our last show?
Speaker 5: Yes, you can take you can go drive across the
Speaker 5: cur Thank god, it's show, Nate.
Speaker 4: But whatever you do, make sure make sure your license
Speaker 4: is suspended. Don't don't do that.
Speaker 5: Don't make your license is suddenly.
Speaker 4: But no, hey, fellas and this, yeah, I know you're.
Speaker 3: Can we get you who your shirt? People?
Speaker 6: Jess, you didn't You're supposed to have brought that back
Speaker 6: when we tease, who is your shirt?
Speaker 3: People?
Speaker 4: I bought this shirt. I bought this shirt.
Speaker 3: Is that all for ten dollars?
Speaker 4: I am a bargain shopper. I'm a bargain shopper. I
Speaker 4: don't like paying a lot of money for stuff, So
Speaker 4: a lot of my stuff. When you guys know, when
Speaker 4: you get to a certain age, is it comfortable? Doesn't fit?
Speaker 4: That's why I'm met in my life. Okay, like that's it.
Speaker 4: Is it comfortable? It doesn't fit? I like mine have
Speaker 4: a little bit more color than yours. Nate.
Speaker 6: That's all all right, all right, brother Holly, all right,
Speaker 6: After mini.
Speaker 4: Camps, he will win, he will win, will win. But
Speaker 4: after after mini camp, yes, you know it, After mini camp,
Speaker 4: the Cowboys will have seven weeks off. So let's keep
Speaker 4: our fingers crossed that nobody gets in trouble. Nobody gets
Speaker 4: themselves into anything that will embarrass themselves, their families, the
Speaker 4: organization and cost them a job. Talking to you, boss man,
Speaker 4: fat stay of trouble, my brother all right, man for Kurt,
Speaker 4: for Nate, for for Chris in the back for Audio Jazz,
Speaker 4: for Bro William Bro, William Brother, William Ham, all of
Speaker 4: those guys. I am Zaddy Holly.
Speaker 3: Yes, this last show.
Speaker 4: Yes, this is our last show for seven weeks until
Speaker 4: we get the training camp. And then once we get
Speaker 4: the training camp, we'll wrap this thing back up. Man,
Speaker 4: can I rob with you?
Speaker 5: Sorry? No, the porch.
Speaker 4: Here man, and most importantly, thank you guys for ticking
Speaker 4: it when it's staying with us. Man in the family.
Speaker 4: We appreciate you all. We'll see you guys in seven
Speaker 4: weeks at the start of training camp. The trailer parks.
Speaker 4: Here I come. This is hanging with the boys out.
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