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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Our next host is a giant in the industry.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you a little bit about George Knapp,

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Speaker 1: a Nevada journalist who has been honored with the highest

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Speaker 1: awards and broadcast journalism FoST the Peabody Award. He's got

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Speaker 1: a couple of those through Dupunt Award from Columbia University,

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Speaker 1: the Edward R. Murro Award, twenty seven plus regional Emmy

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Speaker 1: Awards for investigative reporting. Just to put it in perspective,

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Speaker 1: I've got three, he's got twenty seven environmental reporting, news writing.

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Speaker 1: He's a longtime chief investigative reporter for television station in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, where he has worked as news anchor as well.

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Speaker 1: He co authored the best selling book Hunt for the

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Speaker 1: Skinwalker back in nineteen eighty nine. His reports about Nevada's

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Speaker 1: Area fifty one military base selected by UPI at the

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Speaker 1: time as the best individual achievement by a reporter. He

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Speaker 1: basic broke that story. It is my honor to bring

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Speaker 1: in George Knapp. Mister Napp, thank you for being part

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Speaker 1: of the program. Mister Nori, always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, And you have been part of this

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Speaker 1: program way before I was. How did that start for you?

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Speaker 1: Art Bell, you know, he was on cadon radio here

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Speaker 1: and he had talked to me about asking for an

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Speaker 1: introduction to Bob Bigelow, who had just started spending money

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Speaker 1: on UFO and paranormal related research. And I made an

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Speaker 1: introduction and they Bob sponsored a program Area two thousand.

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Speaker 1: I think it was called at First right, and that's

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Speaker 1: how it started. I did the newscast. Linda Howe was

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Speaker 1: part of it as well for a year or so.

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Speaker 1: I want to publicly tell the world right now, George,

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Speaker 1: that you are the finest UFO host I have ever

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Speaker 1: heard in broadcasting. There's nobody who compares to you. Well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, George, coming from you especially, But I've

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Speaker 1: been at it a long time, you know, And I

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Speaker 1: figured when I started this back in the late eighties,

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Speaker 1: you know what this topic needs is a good investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Give me six months, I'll have this figured out. And

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Speaker 1: here it is, thirty plus years later, and I might

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Speaker 1: know less now than I did back then. Were you

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Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time for studying

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Speaker 1: some of these UFOs, getting Bob Lazar to talk and

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Speaker 1: things like that, Exactly, That's exactly it. It's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of luck and a little bit of geography. Moving

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Speaker 1: to Las Vegas in the late seventies and then being

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Speaker 1: in the news business and just running into a guy

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Speaker 1: named John Lear, who was my first entry point to

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Speaker 1: the whole topic, and then meeting Lazar. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: had no idea we had the atomic test site outside

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Speaker 1: Force Base or a place called Area fifty one, or

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Speaker 1: that I would meet a guy named Bob Bigelow who

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Speaker 1: became such a central player in all that's happened in

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Speaker 1: ufology for the last couple of decades. But all that's

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Speaker 1: sort of coalesced, and I'm lucky to be where I am.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the Pentagon revealing that Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: we have this video and it's unusual. We don't know

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Speaker 1: what it is, but it's right here. You know. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's been exciting the last couple of years, the videos

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Speaker 1: that came out having statements from the Pentagon acknowledging these

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Speaker 1: are unidentified. We don't know what they are. Now you're

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Speaker 1: seeing in the last couple of days some pushback, which

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Speaker 1: I always expected to happen. They're putting out articles that

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Speaker 1: truly unidentified. I've always said that the people who have

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Speaker 1: come up with things like swamp gas as explanations, are

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Speaker 1: I are at ours no offense, but they've been at

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Speaker 1: keep us off balance, and I think that's what's underway

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Speaker 1: right now. George, what is your favorite UFO story? Well,

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Speaker 1: I would say Bob Lazar and Area fifty one. I

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Speaker 1: kind of fell into that. That was my baptism by fire,

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Speaker 1: learning all the personalities in the UFO field. I had

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Speaker 1: a couple of dozen times and have spent the night

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Speaker 1: many times there. And you know, say, some people go

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Speaker 1: in and it's like they bring baggage into it, and

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Speaker 1: if they're afraid, if they're hostile, they have bad experiences.

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Speaker 1: I've always had good experiences there, although I've never seen

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Speaker 1: anything that we could call paranormal. George, the phone lines

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Speaker 1: Mike and Denver, Colorado. You're on with George Nap Michael,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Hey George, good morning. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for taking my call, and thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: doing this show. It's I'm really excited for it and

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Speaker 1: I'm I think it was an excellent idea. You're an innovator, George,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much. Um, mister Nap, George, it's

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Speaker 1: it's really great to talk to you as well. And

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Speaker 1: you know when you think of Coast to Coast, am

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Speaker 1: you think of George Napp? I mean they go hand

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Speaker 1: in hand. Yeah, And um, you know I wanted to

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Speaker 1: it was always the paper trail, you know, as a reporter,

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Speaker 1: I can't go out and see UFOs when I want to.

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Speaker 1: Although I've tried hundreds and hundreds of times, spending time

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Speaker 1: But the paper trail is what got me hooked. Government documents, memos,

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Speaker 1: reports that were written before the FOYA, before Freedom of

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Speaker 1: you think we're in an error right now where we're

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Speaker 1: going to really get the kind of disclosure we expect.

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Speaker 1: I do not. I hate to be like you. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like you. I tell Steve Bassett all the time,

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Speaker 1: it ain't coming now. I don't think so. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there are obviously are people who know a lot

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Speaker 1: but there is no big push inside of government to

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Speaker 1: just don't care what I do. What got you into

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Speaker 1: broadcasting in the first place, George, it was just pure luck.

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Speaker 1: It's such a weird vibe here, George. I know you

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Speaker 1: It just it's going to be such a change. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You've filled rooms here, packed them in with fans. Is

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Speaker 1: a while. Maybe not for a while. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Mike in Connecticut. Hey, Michael, you're on with George Napp.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Hey George, I wanted to ask you, first

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Speaker 1: of all, to privilege to talk to both of you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. And I have a question for mister Napp.

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Speaker 1: What was it like before you got on the plane

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Speaker 1: when you left the Soviet Union with those documents that

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Speaker 1: you appropriated. I mean, what was your feeling? I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: Tell us his story, George, Well, I made two trips

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