1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: production of My Heart Breeding. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined with our guest producer Max, the 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: freight Train Williams. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: to know, a lot of people are flying on planes 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: these days, and things are only getting weirder. We also 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: found some frightening, heartbreaking evidence of corruption in Big pharm up. 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Not a theory, it seems pretty true. We'll get to it. 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: But first first, our news today takes us to Mississippi, 14 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: and uh, this is a story about a celebrity, but 15 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: there's much more to it than that. I want to 16 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: give a special shout out to our pal West over 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: at Station sixteen because nol As we were coming into 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: record just earlier today. In fact, our pal west had 19 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: was talking to me and he he wanted to ask 20 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: us about corruption in Mississippi. What fantastic timing. Yeah, Well, 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: you know how if you live in Mississippi. I suppose 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: it's pretty all horrible timing. They're often for the least fortunate, 23 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: UH and Mississippi is, of course also the state populated 24 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: by the least fortunate of Americans. It is the poorest 25 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: UH state in the country. And Matt, you brought us 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, we've been keeping up with a story that 27 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: you started uh talking about in a previous news episode 28 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: about their ongoing water troubles and how essentially the residents 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: of the capital city of Mississippi, Jackson, were kind of 30 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: left high and dry or well wet, but mainly with filthy, 31 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: dangerous water and boil advisories galore and all kinds of 32 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: really bad looking moments from politicians there, who is this 33 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: is very clear that there's there's not a whole lot 34 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: of of thought put into the welfare of the citizens. 35 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: In the keyword there here for today's story is welfare 36 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: a term that can be you know, kind of weaponized, 37 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: used negatively in terms of politicians saying, oh, welfare is bad. 38 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: It's just like handouts from the government people that should 39 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of pull themselves up by their bootstraps whatever. And 40 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: that is according to reporting coming out of Mississippi UM 41 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: somewhat the attitude there, it would seem, you know, local 42 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: residents were not surprised to find out that money from 43 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: the Mississippi Department of Human Services had been miss approach 44 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: created at the very least, stolen at the very worst, 45 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: to fund everything from traffic tickets for officials to UH 46 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: sports facilities UM pet projects of NFL former superstar UM 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: Brett Farve. And you may know this. This guy has 48 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: kind of been in hot water in the past due 49 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: to some allegations of sexual assault. UM. And he apparently 50 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: is neck deep embroiled in this scandal. UM that also 51 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: involves the former governor of Mississippi, Republican Phil Bryant. Texts 52 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: have emerged recently in court documents between Brett Farve and 53 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: former Republican Governor Phil Bryant UM, joking about like, oh, 54 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm too old to end up in federal prison l 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: O L you know cool guy emoji UM. Also, other 56 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: texts between Bryant and UH and Brett Farve have been 57 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: released showing the governor was more than happy to help 58 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: far raise private money for a volleyball facility at his 59 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: daughter's university, UM that started construction in seventeen and apparently 60 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this you know, misappropriated welfare money. In fact, 61 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: around I believe eight million close to it was kind 62 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: of funneled into these pet projects of Brett Farve, including 63 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: several million for this volleyball facility. And the issue with 64 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: this story that's so interesting and I'd love to hear 65 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: you guys thoughts on it is the government in Mississippi 66 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: is so rife with corruption and this kind of self serving, 67 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, attitude of like, oh, you know, welfare is 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: misuse of money because you know, poor folks should be 69 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: able to kind of like dig themselves out of their 70 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: own situation. But this is literally money that could have 71 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: gone towards like parenting classes for folks that have maybe 72 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: lost their kids due to homelessness or due to varying circumstances. 73 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: And obviously this is all all these things can be devices, 74 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: and you can be on both sides and saying that 75 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: parents who lose their kids maybe shouldn't have a second chance. 76 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: But I mean that's what this money is for, is 77 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: to help people rehabilitate themselves because likely they were part 78 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: of a system that to some degree fed into their circumstances. 79 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: I mean, everything is not a choice to some degree, 80 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, you are put in a situation and if 81 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: you're not given the opportunities to some people have, you 82 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: are more likely to end up, you know, in one 83 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: of these negative situations. So, but the question becomes, is 84 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: this just bone headed government like funneling money to silly 85 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: things or not putting it in the right places or 86 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: is this flat out fraud? Uh? And not to mention 87 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: a conspiracy, I mean it is, you know essentially. Uh. 88 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: The former director of the mississipp Department of Human Services 89 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: again in John Davis, pled guilty Thursday to federal and 90 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: state felony charges involving a conspiracy to misspend this welfare money. Um. 91 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: And he was appointed by that former governor of Sippy 92 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: Bryant in and then he was fired uh in July 93 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. And he's gonna name names. So the truth 94 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: is going to come out. But the fact that it's 95 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: such a gray area as to whether this was like, 96 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, negligence or outright fraud. Uh at the highest level, 97 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: this guy, you know, seems like he's almost like the 98 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: fall guy. And do you really think Brett Farve and 99 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: the governor are gonna take the fall I I don't know, 100 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: but it's a it's a very upsetting story. What do 101 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: you guys think? I'm still wrapping my head around all 102 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: the details here. There's a lot of stuff reading this 103 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: AP news article you linked us to KNOWL that discusses 104 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of people and what they knew this person 105 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: Nancy and John Davis and like farv and I guess 106 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: that Bryant character who was governor. So like, it's just 107 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: seems pretty They're they're following text messages, right, It's often 108 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: like that's what I'm seeing they're looking at. And a 109 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff came out like a year or 110 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: more ago, and so this is sort of like, you know, 111 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: almost like new information that that makes it look even worse. 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: And farves development, farms involvement, uh much more knowing you 113 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean that they would come up within 114 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: where he would say, well, I didn't know that what 115 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: they were going to do with the money. Uh, I 116 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: didn't ask for it. But then now they are a 117 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: text messages literally saying I think he's asking, uh, Nancy 118 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: new um, is anyone ever gonna know where this money 119 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: came from? And she says to me the effect of 120 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: like no, No, you're you're covered because you know that's 121 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: definitely I think something you'd be worried about if legitimate 122 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: funds are being used for your project. Right. And also, uh, 123 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: I want to specifically say that charity uh fove for 124 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: hope number four. There's a thing that I recommend everybody 125 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: do when you're learning about a charity. Go to charity 126 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: navigator dot org. Charity navigator dot org is a pretty 127 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: comprehensive way to look at a charity that you don't 128 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: know much about. They give it a score. Uh. They 129 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: talked about the impact and results of the charities, but 130 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: then they also talked about their financials and accountability. They 131 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: grade on a one to one hundred scale. And uh, 132 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: this charity is still rated eight five out of a hundred, 133 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: which isn't too bad, but also as terrible as it 134 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: is to have to admit it, charities are often used 135 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: to wash money. Most charities are really great and they're 136 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: doing fantastic work, but you need to understand that charities 137 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: can also be a vehicle for financial crime and corruption. Well, 138 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: and another thing to this alleged scam did and again 139 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: this far has um association with this very much alleged again, 140 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: charges have been filed in court, but thus far far 141 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: has not been legally implicated directly. This is, you know, 142 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: just an ongoing story. But he allegedly was also paid 143 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: over a million dollars for speaking engagement. Is that never 144 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: took place. A lot of money was you know, funneled for. 145 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: It's it's like kind of gangster type stuff, like you 146 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: know when you when you run a scam on a 147 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: construction site and you overcharged for like, you know, a chair, 148 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: and it's a way of kind of like hiding where 149 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: the money goes getting what's that money actually going to him? 150 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Getting pad was going to him to help pay for 151 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: this arena he had this volleyball facility build, and then 152 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: that happened like you know, several years ago. And now 153 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: he's like almost double dippy. He's going back to the 154 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: trough allegedly to help pay for another sports facility. Right yeah, 155 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: And he also to be clear, he paid the money back. 156 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: But what I was seeing is that the State of 157 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: Mississippi is still seeking something like a little south of 158 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: two and thirty thousand dollars for unpaid interest. So he 159 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: he got like you said, no, he got one point 160 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: one million dollars in appearance and speaking fees for things 161 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: that he apparently never actually did, and then he paid 162 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: the money back. But that's not enough to statisfy the 163 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: state yet. Also, it's very damaging to the people who 164 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: just you know, work with or at this charity, right 165 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: like we everybody's been in these situations before. I would 166 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: I would hazard or some version of this where you 167 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: are part of the bigger organization and the organization or 168 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: some high high level person in that organization does something terrible, 169 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like there are plenty of 170 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: members of the military who cheer some terrible news about 171 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: something awful happening, and they're thinking, oh great, are people 172 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: going to associate me with this? Now I'm just you know, 173 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: like I'm the guy who does the paperwork to make 174 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: sure the ice cream shows up on time, and now 175 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm associated with war criminals. Like it's we have to 176 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: be careful not to lump everybody unfairly into the same 177 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: bag of badgers. But but Nol, this doesn't doesn't look 178 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: great for Brett. Looks like you knew what he was 179 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: doing and he did it on purpose. It does look 180 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: that way. But again I'm skeptical as to to what 181 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: degree a person at that level, you know, is going 182 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: to truly suffer other than just in the court of 183 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: public opinion. Like I have a hard time believing they're 184 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: going to take away all of his yachts, maybe just 185 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: like one um, you know. And again it's like it's 186 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: it's an insult to say, you know, the right, you're Ben, 187 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that article from October of last 188 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: year when he paid back six grand UM. But he basically, 189 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, what he did amounted to an interest free loan. No, 190 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: you don't get those. I don't care who you are, 191 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's like that, that's that's not 192 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: how the world works. And especially when you're like taking 193 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: it out of the coffers of you know, folks who 194 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: could really use it. This is for like food assistance, 195 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, things that we know of as like like 196 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: the SNAP program here in Georgia, where folks that are 197 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, maybe young parents, you know, need a little help. 198 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: I was on food stamps when I was a very 199 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: new parent, UM, and it was incredibly valuable to have that, 200 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, Uh it was and and and obviously things 201 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: progressed in my career kind of you know, bloomed and 202 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: things like that. But I was a very young parent 203 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: and it was really scary my career. I didn't make 204 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: very much money at the time, and you know, we 205 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: were living with my mom and it was something that 206 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: was very helpful and we used it. Um and and 207 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: this is you know, and there are people that were 208 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: even way less fortunate than we were, Like we had 209 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: a place to live for free and all of that, 210 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: but like there are folks who were an inch from 211 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: being on the street and who need this money to 212 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: to stay afloat and to take care of their kids. 213 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: And this is you know, again some of the reporting 214 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: that I read, you know, out of Mississippi. And I 215 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: apologize that the reporter's name is escaping me. I heard her, 216 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: uh do an interview on NPR where she was talking 217 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: about speaking to some of the people, you know, residents 218 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: and saying how they weren't surprised about any of this, 219 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: because there seems to be an attitude in the reception 220 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: that the government in Mississippi doesn't really care about its 221 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: poorest citizens, um, that they're all in it to enrich themselves, 222 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: and that they feel like welfare is something that is uh, 223 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: some sort of commy thing, you know. I mean, it 224 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: really does have this very condescending attitude towards the idea 225 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: of welfare, which is a way of like justifying these crimes. 226 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: And again, even everyone in the Department of Human Services 227 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: surely not in on this. I'm not saying that, but 228 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: at the highest levels that kind of attitude trickles down. Yeah, 229 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: and you know, the timing is so weird because it 230 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: was asking some folks were working with us on a 231 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: few secret projects. Uh, some of whom were from Mississippi. Right, 232 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: mentioned West earlier and said, well, what's this. Isn't there 233 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: a stereotype about corruption in Mississippi? And the guy looked 234 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: at me and he said, it's not a stereotype. And 235 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: now all the and then this story, which has been 236 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: developing for a while, as you said, no, this story 237 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: breaks and I'm starting to wonder there's a question for 238 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: our conspiracy realist in Mississippi. How corrupt do you find 239 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: the government at a local or state level? Is this 240 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: just business as usual, this way of moving money? I mean, 241 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: I believe Brett's daughter plays volleyball at the same university, right, 242 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it was obviously a nepotistic kind 243 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: of move. You know, So is this unusual of Mississippi? 244 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: Is my question. I don't know the answer. What do 245 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: you guys think? All I'm hearing in this whole story 246 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: is the spoken word to police State by Dead Press. 247 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: Do you remember that the ring in your ear at all? Yes, 248 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't tell you the whole thing, but 249 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: it's something like, you know they're cutting the welfare, knowing 250 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: damn well, when you cut the welfare, people are going 251 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: to do crime. Like this, this concept like if it's 252 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: being if that kind of move, that money is being 253 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: misused or just you know, corruption is is killing that 254 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: money and those funds, than way more problems are going 255 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: to happen, and in the end it's probably gonna end 256 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: up putting more money in the law enforcement communities. Right. Oh, Matt, 257 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: you're bringing back memories. Uh, we're talking about the very 258 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: end of the song. And you don't have to like 259 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: hip hop to understand this message. It's something to think about. Uh. 260 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: This is Fred Hampton and an unidentified speaker at the 261 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: very end of police State by Dead Pres. I am 262 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: a revolutionary and you're gonna have to keep on saying 263 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to say that I am the proletariat, 264 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: I am the people. I am not the pig. Juliani, 265 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: you are foolish and anybody that's down with you, you 266 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: could make things better for us. And you're cutting the 267 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: welfare knowing damn well, when you cut the welfare, a 268 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: person is gonna do crime. Truth. Yeah, Greig, bummer, but good, 269 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: good segue out of this story, um, because you're absolutely right, 270 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: you know. And then, especially in a situation where so 271 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: many are on the verge of homelessness. Um, the levels 272 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: of poverty are so extreme that you know that cutting 273 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: off that that helping hand really would could be the 274 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: thing that drives somebody, um to that you know, terrible 275 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: next stage of poverty, which is you know, being on 276 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: the streets. And then if you're in charge, it's a 277 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: lot easier to justify, well, why do we give money 278 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: to the to these folks when they're just gonna you know, 279 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: do crimes. But it's a self perpetuating cycle, like you said, 280 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: And then it's just a way of justifying a police state. 281 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: And that's not good for anybody except for the handful 282 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: of rich white people at the top. So take a break. 283 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: We're back with another piece of strange news, and we 284 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: have returned. I we're gonna do a little bit of 285 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: a multimedia experience here. Want to share some part of 286 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: that multimedia experience experience, but we'll leave it in. That's 287 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: Dr bankman. Everybody, uh, please send your fan mail as appropriate. 288 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna play just this is just a 289 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: few seconds, Matt Nold, fellow conspiracy realists. And I know 290 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: I had asked you guys not to check, but you 291 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: may have already heard this, So play along at home. 292 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: What do you think this is? Goat? It sounds like 293 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: one of those like kids toys that when you turn 294 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: upside down and makes a move sound like if a 295 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: cow uh whoa. I don't know, Matt. It sounds like 296 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: a very unsuccessful attempt to evacuate a bowel after about 297 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: six pizzas, right, so you just I can see it, dude. 298 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: It's a it's a really really great short commercial. It's 299 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: just a bathroom door slightly ajar. You hear these and 300 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 1: then uh, and then it fades out and it just 301 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: goes emodium, right or just fiber. It's like one of 302 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: those got but for fiber. Yeah. Yeah, So this is 303 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: an experience. This is pulled from an actor who posted 304 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: this online, but he's not playing a character. It's his 305 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: real life. He's on an American Airlines flight and all 306 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the intercom appears to go nuts with 307 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: someone moaning groaning. You know, either they're constipated, maybe it's 308 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: a sex thing. No one's really sure. As a matter 309 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: of fact, before we went on air, guest producer Max 310 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: free Train Williams hit me with the perfect phrase to 311 00:18:54,600 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: describe this noise. Max, what is it? Is it grunching? Girking? Uh? 312 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: Max has told us girking, and I think that's a 313 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: perfect phrase for what's happening. There is a ghostly gurkher 314 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: on this American Airlines flight. This story takes off plane jokes. Uh, 315 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: this story takes off because people are mystified, and you 316 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: can hear the flight attendant or one of the flight 317 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: attendants on this uh weird, weird leg of the journey saying, look, 318 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: we don't know what it is. No one's happy about it. Uh. 319 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: The original the original guess was that somewhat had hacked 320 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: into the WiFi system and through that have been able 321 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: to just play weird stuff on the intercom. First, we've 322 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: all started flying more often. I fly a lot. Well 323 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: that we fly a lot. Uh not to no, I 324 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: got a road trips through my soul. It's true as 325 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: long as it's not a Honda Odyssey. What planes are 326 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: weird and things are just getting weirder. Um. No one 327 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: was hurt in this situation, but there was definitely uh 328 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: some girking and it went on for the duration of 329 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: flight all the way from l A to Dallas. Uh. 330 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: The guy who posted this, Emmerson Collins, described it as 331 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: quote somewhere between an orgasm and vomiting. Um. I bring 332 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: this up because I originally liked the idea of a 333 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: haunted airplane, even though it's very hard to prove whether 334 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: or not, and afterlife exists much less ghost. But okay, 335 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: what would be this like? Is that like if a 336 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: spirit left a body and was on its way up, 337 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: I guess because spirits go up right and every everybody 338 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: knows that it's on its way up, and then it 339 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: like got caught in in the engine, or maybe he 340 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: got caught it got sucked in the engine, or maybe 341 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: got just stuck inside the plane somehow. Well, you know, 342 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: I have Spirit Airlines and so she because every one 343 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: of their flights is haunted. Thing is it's not just 344 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: school spirit, you know what I mean? Uh yeah, that's 345 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: was there something trapped in there? I mean, we do 346 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: know that there are animals that, like, like the screaming goats, 347 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: that can reproduce something very close to a human sounding yell. 348 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: You guys remember the screaming goats? Like, how can I forget? 349 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: It's steered into my memory. We're in this information bubble 350 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: and the weirdest things are normal to us now, right, Like, 351 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: oh yeah, screaming goats, totally totally nasty customers. Well this, um, 352 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: this has an interesting explanation. First, people were saying, you know, 353 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: it got hacked, right, and all sorts of things can 354 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: be hacked in this the age of the Internet of Things. 355 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: But American Airlines clapped back at that rumor and said, quote, 356 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: the p A systems on board our aircraft are hardwired 357 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: and there is no external access. Following the initial report, 358 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: our maintenance team thoroughly inspected the aircraft and the p 359 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: A system and determine the sounds were caused by a 360 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: mechanical issue with the p A amplifier. I don't know 361 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: why I went into cool guy voice, let's keep it, 362 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: which raises volume of the p A system when the 363 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: engines running, said American Airlines in a statement, presumably while 364 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: wearing like a Hawaiian shirt that's a chill out on 365 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: the back. Wait what they're saying that the p A 366 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: system doesn't it's a closed system, so there's no external access. 367 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: The intercoms are hardwired. Yeah, but I mean it's it's 368 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: a what is that closed system? And the audio if 369 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: you know how to there are ways, uh, if you're 370 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: a hockey type and you know how audio circuit flow 371 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: works or signal flow rather, it would be difficult, but 372 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you you could conceivably convert a 373 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: headphone output to an input. There's there's ways of doing right, right, 374 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 1: but those are all those are kind of like analog ways, 375 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: right Like you would you would be physically hacking at 376 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: that point. I just you would have to You would 377 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: have to get access to like you know, the area 378 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: where the master control kind of like you know, touch 379 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: pad is probably you'd have to be you know, and 380 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: you know how hard it is to sneak around on planes. 381 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: They won't let you back on a plane if you 382 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: leave your wallet you know, it's like, oh, there's so 383 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: many specifics around and like everything's you know, so like move, move, move, 384 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: and get to your seat. It would be very difficult 385 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: to do. But I'm not saying it's impossible. It also 386 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: could have been some prank sturry maintenance person you know, 387 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: or who knows, But it means somebody whoever is making 388 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: that sound is on board or was on board and 389 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: set some kind of system up to play it through 390 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: the p A right. Also, like you know, I could 391 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: think of more um instantly recognizable pranks than just just 392 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: like a cookie sound. Yeah, you're just like you know, 393 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: American Airlines. You know, there's some kind of like you know, 394 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: protest or something. This is. Yeah, it's a very even 395 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: in terms of it just the audio message, you know 396 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: what I mean, if they really wanted to like hichack 397 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: the system and you know, stick one to the company, 398 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: there there there are more direct ways of doing it. 399 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: This just seems like a weird miss out that could 400 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: be explained away than the way that it was. But 401 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't completely buy that explanation either. So right, okay, 402 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: here here's another way. We're just off the top here, 403 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: Uh okay, it's a hot mic situation. There's someone gherkin 404 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: in the bathroom, whatever that means to you, and they 405 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: don't know that their live on the intercom. That's so 406 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: you always have to be quiet in public restrooms. You 407 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: don't know. That's a little life lesson from your friends 408 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: and stuff. They don't want you to know. It does 409 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: not sound like a mechanical issue. Really, it does sound 410 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: like a dude moaning, you know, in a hilarious way. 411 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: I have to say that if it was a pilot 412 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: that was girking off, he'd probably sound a lot more 413 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: lack less, like oh uh and I'm done. Oh so 414 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: this is uh so, I'm gonna be honest. Uh this 415 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: this explanation, it seems a little iffy to me, but 416 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: we're not the experts here. We want to hear your take. 417 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: I'm keeping this one brief, just gonna be completely honest. 418 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: I was looking for a fun story. I'm going through 419 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: a very dark time right now. I know there are 420 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: other much more important things happening in the news, but 421 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you take a break for a sound gag. We've 422 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: got a lot of a lot of pilots in the audience. 423 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of mechanics, a lot of aerospace engineers. 424 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: What could be making this noise? Max, please play it 425 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: one more time, just to get us to the break 426 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: and single. Like at home, we also coined a new expression, 427 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: girking off. Yeah, thanks to Max Williams. So okay, so Max, 428 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: please play that sound cue, take us to break and 429 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: we'll be back with another piece of strange news, which 430 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: is much more serious. All right, serious time, everybody, welcome back. 431 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: Biogen Biogen. Biogen is that like like energy drink. It's 432 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: a pharmaceutical company based at that she was like a 433 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: biological Jennifer. Ah, yeah, it's a biogen. I can't fly. 434 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Sorry, I don't know why. Okay, bio Jenny. 435 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 1: This really great company, guys. They just made a huge 436 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: splash in the headlines because they are about to be 437 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: in production for an Alzheimer's drug that in their clinical 438 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: trials showed a twenty seven percent increase in a reduction 439 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: of alzheimer symptoms compared to a placebo, and their stock 440 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: just went. So there, that's a positive bloop, by the way, 441 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: watching no no, it went and a very expensive stock too. 442 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: I think it was almost two hundred dollars per year 443 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 1: or something crazy. Um. But they're in the news for that. 444 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: They are also in the news because they very recently 445 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: settled a lawsuit that has been dogging them since I believe, 446 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: gosh twenty in the mids. This lawsuit has been dogging them, um. 447 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: And they settled for nine hundred million dollars. And as 448 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: we've talked about on this show, nine million dollars is 449 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: the most money you can think about until you get 450 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: to the billions. And the billions are inconceivable for most 451 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: of us, but for a pharmaceutical company, it's not that crazy. 452 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: Dropping the old with a figure like that nin million, 453 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: just make it a solid bill You know what's a 454 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: hundred mill between friends? Nine hundred million dollars? Okay, So 455 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about why they paid nine million dollars. Well, 456 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: this lawsuit that they've been a part of stems from 457 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: a whistleblower who alleged that Biogen was improperly, let's say, 458 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: influencing healthcare professionals into prescribing their medications, specifically for multiple sclerosis. 459 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: They have three medications. I'm gonna try and say them. 460 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: You're ready for this. I have an x to Cibri 461 00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: and Tank federa beautiful great create attention to this uh 462 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: double speed list of side effects? Yes, yes, um okay, 463 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: so let me give you some of the details as 464 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: according to the Department of Justice. UH, they put out 465 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: a press release on September this past Monday. As we're recording, 466 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: they point out that the whistleblower's name a former Biogen employee, 467 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: Michael Bodenac Boak, and he said that Biogen quote paid 468 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: kickbacks to physicians to induce them, I like that word, 469 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: induce them into prescribing the company's multiple sclerosis drugs. According 470 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: to this person's complaint, between two thousand nine and two 471 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, they offered and paid renumeration in the form 472 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: of speaker honor area, So a small usually rather small 473 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: amount of money that's paid to somebody to come speak, 474 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: unless you're like Hillary Clinton, and then you get lots 475 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: of money for an honorarium, uh, speaker training fees, consulting fees, 476 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: and meals. Two people who went to these special events 477 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: that Biogen put on h called like speaker program speaker events, right, 478 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: and UH. Essentially the suit is saying that Biogen and 479 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: properly use this money to influence these people and they 480 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: paid nine hundred million dollars for it, but just making 481 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: a solid bill. Well, what's what's a hundred million between friends? 482 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: Sorry I made that joke already, can continue, excuse me. 483 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: And like most pharmaceutical companies we've talked about on this 484 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: show before, and chemical companies and oil companies, they did 485 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: not admit any wrongdoing. Right, here's here's a bunch of money. Now, 486 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: let's let's put this to bed. Okay, we don't have 487 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: to talk about this anymore. I'm sorry that you feel 488 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: an apology is necessary. Here's some money. Good day to you. Yeah, well, 489 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: it's basically legalized hush money, you know. I mean you 490 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: think of the idea of hush money is usually pay 491 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: it under the table. But I mean this is about 492 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: as above the table as it can be. And it's 493 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: yeah it this we we bought our way out of this. 494 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's no no contend today. You guys know that, right, 495 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: that's just like what you're saying. Look, I'm not saying 496 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: anybody did anything your honor, but I do not wish 497 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: to disagree with you no contender and yolo, because we're 498 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: just gonna go on living our best Pharmaceutical life once 499 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: for when I was a kid. It's just it's the 500 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: sketchiest thing. I mean. I understand that it has to 501 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: the plea of no contests. I understand why it exists. 502 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: It just to me, it always sounds clearly all three 503 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: of us had to plead nolo at some point. It's 504 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: a very common plea to make, but it just just 505 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: sounds so sketchy. It's like up there with stamp fraud, 506 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I'm not saying anything happened, 507 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: but I'm not disagreeing with what you said. You know. 508 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: It's such a let's get into what I disagree with 509 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: with some of this and what I feel is wrong, Okay, 510 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: And I think I just want to see what you 511 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: guys think. So that's nine million dollars that they paid. Okay, 512 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: they are going to pay the United States eight hundred 513 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: and forty four million dollars, and then they're gonna pay 514 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: fifty six million dollars to fifteen states that were harmed 515 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: by their whatever they did there. But how weird is it, 516 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: guys that they got in trouble for making a bunch 517 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: of money and now they just have to pay the 518 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: United States a fee of a lot of money because 519 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: they did something wrong, but like, who was harmed in 520 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: this hang on? Hey, hey they didn't say they did 521 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: anything wrong, No, low bro. But like, but like, I guess, 522 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: it's just so strange to me that you'd have to 523 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: pay that much money to the government as in like, 524 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, it's not it's not like a bribe. 525 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: But it's weird because in a way, guys, this pharmaceutical 526 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: company is kind of doing business the way you do 527 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: business when you've got a private health care system, because 528 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: how else do you let the health care professionals out 529 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: there know that my new drug is on the market 530 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: and you should subscribe, you should give it out to 531 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: people who need help in this specific area. These are 532 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: drugs for multiple sclerosis, right, These are like probably really 533 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: important drugs that are available for people who have MS. 534 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: It's not like some kind of pain medication, right or 535 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: something like that, where like that to me feels more 536 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: egregious when you're just trying to sell that stuff like crazy. 537 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: This is more like awareness. You're you're they're trying to 538 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: do marketing, and they're doing it through these speakers events. 539 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want to have Biogen's back 540 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: in this, but it does feel like this is one 541 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: of the better ways you get word out about your stuff. 542 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? It's tricky, Man, it's tricky, 543 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: and you're raising great points. I mean, also, we should say, 544 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are a lot of people are thinking 545 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: about this as we're listening at home. We should say 546 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: that this is not the first time Biogen had to 547 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: pay up for allegations of shady shenanigans. And you know 548 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: they stayed they stayed in no low bro throughout all 549 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: of these Uh. Just like I'm not saying I did it, 550 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: but I'm not disagreeing with you. Here's some money. You'll 551 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: be good. Now you're good, be good. Uh. The question 552 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: is essentially, is this dribery? Right? Is this how the 553 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: game is played? How the pharmaceutical profit sausage is made? Okay, 554 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: it's been a long day, folk, So the question like, 555 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical sausage, the best grade, pharmaceutical grade sausage. Yeah, that's 556 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 1: our new if podcasting doesn't work out, we're selling only 557 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical grade food stuffs. So this is this is strange 558 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: because it goes into the idea of what a fair 559 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: market rate is for consultation or speaking fees, which I 560 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: was also is sticky because speaking fees are a great 561 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: way to laund your money until you get caught. But 562 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: they're not really laundering money right there, trying to grease 563 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: the wheels such that when someone has a condition like 564 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: multiple sclerosis and they see a doctor about it, that 565 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: doctor has Biogen and their products front of mind. Now 566 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: that I think that becomes unethical when let's say a 567 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: hypothetical doctor has like, is pretty sure there's another medication 568 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: that is cheaper and would work just as well, or 569 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: there's a medication that might even work better, and because 570 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: of the money they've been paid, they go with a 571 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: bio product. Anyway, that seems like that's very dangerous. That's 572 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: also kind of like violation of the Hippocratic oath to 573 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: begin with. But you're right, well, there there is an 574 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: anti an anti kickback what do they call it statute, 575 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: an anti kickback statute that states you can't do that, right, 576 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're describing, ben You can't pay someone to 577 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: have a lesser medication prescribed because you got money from 578 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: that person, right, Um, that makes sense, and that's what 579 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: Biogen is in violation of at least according to this lawsuit, 580 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: and that's why they had to pay all that money. 581 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,479 Speaker 1: But to me, as a pharmaceutical company, you can either 582 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: make ads that are excruciating to watch for a viewer, 583 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: right that show up Hulu and where YouTube or wherever 584 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: else illegal in most countries by the way, huh us 585 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: and New Zealand. Yes, Or you do that thing that 586 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: I've seen happen we've talked about on the show it 587 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: for where some rep for Biogen or whatever viser name 588 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: your company comes into your local doctor's office and like 589 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: buys lunch for the whole crew there that day, you know, 590 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: and it's like, what, okay, Oh no, they just brought cookies. 591 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: They didn't buy us anything. They just gave us some cookies. 592 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: There's no there's no monetary value here, like okay. Or 593 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: why are pharmaceutical reps often This is something a friend 594 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: of mine the medical community point out. Why are pharmaceutical 595 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: reps often what would be considered attractive people and highly 596 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: paid and highly paid? Yeah, if you've seen the series 597 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: on Hulu, I think dope sick about you know, Purdue 598 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: and the way they essentially incentivized their salespeople to move products, 599 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, which is what sales people do. But they 600 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: did so by downplaying the addictive nature of oxygon and 601 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: essentially falsifying documents you know, from the FDA or the 602 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: very least, greasing some wheels to make the the studies 603 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: tend more in their favor. It's pretty gross. And yeah, 604 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: it is a very like singles kind of meat market 605 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: kind of vibe with these with these young hot pharma executives. 606 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: It's it's weird. It's a weird world. So then of 607 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: course this is the part of the conversation where we 608 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: have to once again say that if you are a 609 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: business and you're doing something unethical or you're doing something criminal, 610 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: and you know that no actual person will get jail time, right, 611 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: you know there will not be a criminal action against you. 612 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: If you can afford the fine, then the then that 613 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: just becomes a cost of doing business, you know what 614 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean. Millions a lot for many people, but it's 615 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: not enough to sink a large successful pharmaceutical company. Guys. 616 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: By John, I just jumped over to the markets. Take 617 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: a look at the markets. How are they doing with 618 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: the whole bio gen with all this bad press. You know, 619 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: you gotta find having a pay nine hundred million dollars. 620 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: Oh jeez, pal, that's not good. Well, Um, on Tuesday, 621 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: their stock was worth let's see, did an end of 622 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: trading on Tuesday was worth a hundred nineties seven dollars 623 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: in forty and eighty one cents. On the opening of trading, 624 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: their stock was worth two hundred and seventies seven dollars 625 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: and eighty three cents. Guys, that's a huge jump in 626 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: stock price. And I was telling you the settlement just 627 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: happened this week as we're recording this. Uh, their stock 628 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: went up on Wednesday. The Boston Herald article that came 629 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: out that I read about this for the first time, 630 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: came out on the that's on Monday, and then their 631 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: stock price jumped up that much on Wednesday because that 632 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's drawing I mentioned at the top, which is called 633 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: La canam Ab by the way, Uh, it's estimated to 634 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: be worth between six and eight billion dollars. So in 635 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: the end, because of our for profit system of healthcare 636 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: of all you know, pharmaceuticals and all this stuff, this 637 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: company that does wrongdoing at least according to the law, 638 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: can see massive profits because it's got another drug coming out, 639 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: and they're probably going to do some kind of marketing 640 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: to let everybody know, unless they don't have to now 641 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: because it's getting pressed because of the financials. This podcast 642 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: is brought to you by Pharmaceuticus Pharmaceuticals. UH talk to 643 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: your doctor about girconium today. Following side effects illumination global 644 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: unlimited strange sounds emanating from airlines. Oh sorry, sorry, fellow 645 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: folks suffering from missa pnia. But this this is interesting, Matt. 646 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: I think you point out something quite lustrative at the 647 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: end here where you're saying, yeah, the stocks, the stocks 648 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: continue to rise, and again there are a lot of 649 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: researchers who are doing incredibly important work with these companies. 650 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: We're not I don't think we're dinging them at all. 651 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: Fellow nerds were on your team. But when you get 652 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: to the high level moves here like a Sackler family 653 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: right then you see the law changes. There's no way 654 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: around it. The law is different for entities functioning at 655 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: this level, and that's horrific. I I know. The more 656 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: to say, it just freaks me out. I'm glad the 657 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's drug does look to be hopeful. That would be amazing. 658 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: I don't care who develops it, developed something for that 659 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: and I would be happy. And I think that's what 660 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: how the market is reacting or why they're reacting. Um, 661 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: all right, guys, that's it for now. 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