1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. Welcome to our podcast. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 12 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember each 13 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: week this is the place you go to when you 14 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: want to hear of other people's experiences or vent your 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: experiences about whatever it is that you've experienced when it 16 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: comes to anything out of the ordinary, and that could 17 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 1: be angels to aliens, ghosts of phantoms, demons, shadow people, 18 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: hat man, near death experiences, and all of the in betweens. 19 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: Because we cover all the in betweens and uh, if 20 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: we're going to keep residing on this planet and it 21 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: gets stranger and stranger. I'd say it's time that we 22 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: start connecting the dots with each other. And how better 23 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: to do that than to communicate, talk, tell research, and 24 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: share that research, drop the egos, and just be who 25 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: we are because it's important. It really is if we 26 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: are going to get ahead. And I like the idea 27 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: of getting ahead, don't you. I mean, my goodness, this uh, 28 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: this planet is full of excitement, it really is, and 29 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: I am digging it. I'm having a blast. And uh, 30 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: I really like knowing that I'm helping other people out 31 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: there in the world that are, you know, wanting to 32 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: know answers. I want to know as much as possible. 33 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: And you know, we lose people that are in these 34 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: fields and we don't realize what they've contributed until they've 35 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: gone and we're like, wow, what where's their work at. 36 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: I want to read up on it. I want to 37 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: listen to their interviews. I want to I want to 38 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: be the next person that helps this whole thing along. 39 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: And you know, you could think the efforts of a 40 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: lot of folks for the government finally saying we're going 41 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: to reveal something. And again, I'm not a big fan 42 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: to trust everything they're going to say, just because they 43 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: don't have the best track record, and um, you know, 44 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: I also don't have a lot of ethan The alien 45 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: beings said to be flying around for the most part, 46 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: doing a lot of the infiltrating types of contact. When 47 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: it comes to alien abductions, you know, the gray alien beings, 48 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: and boy, they have said everything from being our saviors, 49 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: to our creators, to being humans from the future who 50 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: have come back because they lost their ability to be 51 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: able to have children, so they are here to create 52 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: half human half alien hybrids and to repopulate their now planet. 53 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: I am telling you I have absolutely heard it all. 54 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: And if these are humans from the future okay, that 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: have come back, then that really lets me know that 56 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: we are not to trust them at all, because if 57 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: anybody can lie, it's a human. I don't care how 58 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: robotic that they act and how robotic that they move. 59 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: And there's also this fear out there when it comes 60 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: to what did these future humans do themselves? Well, they 61 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: integrated themselves with technology, trans humanism, whatever, meta human, becoming 62 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: half human half something else, and they've upgraded themselves to 63 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: I'll be cookie cutter, and you know, just be efficient 64 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: and being able to do certain things. And then there's 65 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: there's leaders to these strange looking, robotic, cookie cutter looking things. 66 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: So those must have been the elite ones that knew 67 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: not to pull that crap on their very human bodies. 68 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 1: And speaking of the Nordics, um, because they knew better. 69 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: It's like, well, I'm not gonna swallow that pill. No, 70 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: So somebody's got to direct you cookie cutter idiots. So 71 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just throwing stuff out there, but 72 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: you've gotta wonder. It's like, if this is true, why 73 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: is there a superior to them? They're not all the same. 74 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: And then there's military looking human folks from our government 75 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: standing right next to them. I am really suspicious now 76 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: that there's something going on here that not everybody is 77 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: pretty to even the gray alien beings. So much to say, 78 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: I can't help myself. Um, but you know, believe it 79 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: or not, today's program is going to look into a 80 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: topic that I really enjoy um, and it's our loved 81 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: ones on the other side, how they communicate, how they 82 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: reach back to us. We've got a really fascinating guest 83 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: that's going to share about their book and their experiences, 84 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: and I thought it would be neat to explore that 85 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: and to share a little bit about my background and 86 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: what it is that I know when it comes to 87 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And uh, I think that we 88 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: all hope and feel that our loved ones communicate with 89 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: us like that that bond was too strong. You went 90 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: to bed and didn't wake up, and suddenly that's it, 91 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: that's the end. And and what you know, what am 92 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: I supposed to do with this now? With all of 93 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: this connectivity I have in me and you just close 94 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: your eyes and now you're gone. That this just doesn't 95 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: feel right. Death never feels right? What why is that? 96 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: But then it's a part of living? What like this is? 97 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: This is supposed to be something that that we are 98 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: expected to do. And I'll tell you there's something that 99 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: I know about that that it's not exactly true, it's 100 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: not exactly how it is supposed to be. It never 101 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: feels right for a reason, And I was never supposed 102 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: to be right. We learned that from the Garden of Eden. 103 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: That's somebody, something tempted somebody to do the wrong thing. 104 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: And lo and behold, we are all paying for it 105 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: all these many many eons later, right, Um, is that true? 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: You know? Am I the one that could judge that? No, 107 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: So I could say is repeating history and thousands of 108 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: years of people have contemplated what has been put there. 109 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: So I'm going to toss in my two cents worth 110 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: right there, you know what I'm gonna do. I want 111 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: to go over some of the signs that I think 112 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: a lot of us have heard when and if a 113 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: loved one has crossed over and how they may communicate 114 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: with us. And it's just there's such a variety, absolutely 115 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: such a variety, and I think they happen more often 116 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: than not. Like I just don't. I just don't believe 117 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: it ends. I just don't. And so many of us 118 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: do have these different belief systems where it's like, you 119 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: know what, they they crossed over, they are done with 120 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: me over here, and I just can't imagine that they're 121 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: going to stop and pause and reach back to make 122 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: me feel better about them leaving me here. If you leave, 123 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't you hope to be able to reach back to 124 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: your loved ones? Wouldn't you ask the creator please please 125 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: please give me a moment. I want to let my 126 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: mom know I'm okay, because I could feel her crying 127 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: her eyes out, and she's destroying her life because I'm 128 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: not there anymore. Do you not think God wouldn't give 129 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: us a break? I would think so. I would think so. 130 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: And oftentimes this this happens. It really does not not 131 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: for everyone that crosses over. I'll say that, um personally, 132 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: for myself, It's not always happened for me either, but 133 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: there have been times, and I've always like counted myself 134 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: to be very fortunate when it's happened. And uh, over 135 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: the years, a lot of people have reached out to 136 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: me or shared their stories to say, look, I got comfortered, 137 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: you know, my my family member or my friend did 138 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: this or that, and I'm like, oh, that's awesome, that's 139 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: so special. Okay, So I'm going to go over some 140 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: of these things that I found on a website that 141 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: is very very typical of what I hear. And so 142 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: this comes from the Wayward dot Co and Tracy Dimmick. 143 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: She wrote this and I found it just absolutely absolutely fascinating. 144 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: Then the next segment, I'm going to share about some 145 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: of the things that have happened to myself and my 146 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: family when it comes to past loved ones that you've 147 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: never heard me share actually, so he'll get a kick 148 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: out of this. So all right, So these are some 149 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: of the signs. Okay, and she wakes them down to five. Okay. 150 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: So feathers. Apparently a lot of people say that they 151 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: saw a feather just kind of appear on their kitchen 152 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: counter or something, uh, laying in the middle of the 153 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: living room, and it's like, hold on, you know, some 154 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: people are really an'tal about keeping their house just so, 155 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: and a white fluffy feather just lay it out nowhere, 156 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: right on top of your bed, Like wow, that's that's 157 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: pretty amazing, Like you know yourself, if that would happen 158 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: from yourself or somebody in the house drop something off, right, 159 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: But no, just just a big white fluffy feather somewhere. 160 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: And people say, oh, it's probably like a garden angel 161 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: watching over you. All right. Another sign butterflies. This is 162 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: a symbol like a loved one visited. Okay, And I 163 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: have heard everything from butterflies just flying over and landing 164 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: on somebody's arm or are getting really close to their 165 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: face almost like waving hello, and and they're just like 166 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: and it and it gave them the thought to think 167 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: of their loved one. So it's not just you see 168 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: the butterfly and you you know, it's it's something. It's 169 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: like an interaction. It's like a connection that people just 170 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: can't really explain a way to be typical, Like, alright, 171 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of butterflies in my day, but 172 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: this one made me think of Grandma for some reason. 173 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: And it got really close and it landed on you, 174 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: or it just got close, you know. So it's there's 175 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: some specialness to this, okay. And there's another one. Birds. 176 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: Birds is a very very common way that people will say, Wow, 177 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: this beautiful white dove came out of nowhere, or or 178 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: they just act very different towards a person and they 179 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: connect that to someone who has crossed over, and uh, 180 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: it just it brings back those thoughts. And I can't 181 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: think that that's a coincidence. I really can't. And I 182 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: know someone in the family that actually went to go 183 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: visit a grave side of somebody who had passed and 184 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: and as they went to drive off, so white dove 185 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. White dove is driving as a person 186 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: is driving, it's flying parallel to the driver's side window, 187 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: and the bird is gliding and it's turning its head 188 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: looking into the window to the driver. So wow, that 189 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: that's a big one. Um okay, so here goes another one. Pets. Uh, 190 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: She says, if you've ever seen your dog have an 191 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: encounter with a thin air, like, there's an energy, there's 192 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: a presence, there's something there, and you know, oh, your pet, 193 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: you know that they don't react to just nothing, So 194 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: there's an energy that's letting you know that it's there. 195 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: And if the pet isn't acting afraid, you know, must 196 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: be something positive or someone clothes or somebody that the 197 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: dog is familiar with. So I find that to be 198 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: really beautiful and special too. So and then the next one, 199 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: this one's kind of cool. I don't hear about this 200 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: one that often, but I have heard of it. Coins 201 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: finding random coins in the strangest of places, probably the 202 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: same place as that feathers are found. Just you know, 203 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: like there's a dime in the middle of my bed, 204 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: there's a dime in the middle of my desk, there's 205 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: a dime on my stove, or you know, it's not 206 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: always dimes, but it's it's interesting. So those are the 207 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: five signs that are pretty typical. But I'll go over 208 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: a few more than I'll also share some personal stuff 209 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: right after the break. You guys, you are listening to 210 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 211 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 212 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: We will be right back at Paranormal date dot com. 213 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: You meet the most fantastic people. Hi, I'm Tom. Hi 214 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm Jennifer. What brings you here? Yeah, I'm here to 215 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: meet someone who understands me. Well. I'm into UFOs, go Stalliens, 216 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: big Foot, conspiracy theories, the paranormal, that kind of stuff, 217 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: but can't seem to find anyone who gets here. Oh, well, 218 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: nice to meet you, Tom. I gotta go. 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You are 249 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 250 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 251 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: podcast that work. Just before the break, I was introducing 252 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: the five usual signs that people who have crossed over 253 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: might leave for us that are still living here today, 254 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: hoping to have some kind of reconnection to those folks 255 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: that have left RYB. Just to be honest, they left 256 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: us and we're like, come on now, you know, say 257 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: hi something. You know, we're just looking for a sign. 258 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: And you know, I have had these types of things 259 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: happened to myself as well, but I've had some experiences 260 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: that go a little bit deeper. But some of the 261 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: things not mentioned on that list of five signs are dreams. 262 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us have had dreams of 263 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: those who have crossed over, and there's not always a 264 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: good explanation for it, like was I just thinking of them? 265 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: But it seems so real. I have had them of 266 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: my dog. I had three dogs. My favorite was named 267 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: Alien and another was named earth Ling, and then his 268 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: sister was named Starship. But Alien was the dog that 269 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: I had so many dreams of him, Like I would 270 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: wake up smelling him on me, like, and I would 271 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: wake up so like I had fun with my puppy 272 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: and you know, just a good old time. And the 273 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: interesting part is that he had not crossed by that time. 274 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: I had to give him away to a friend because 275 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: I moved overseas and I did not want to have 276 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: him go through the strict quarantine that they do to animals, 277 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: because I knew it would torture him and it would 278 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: change him, and I just couldn't do it. So but 279 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: I missed him so terribly. I would have these dreams 280 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: of playing with him, and then and then one time 281 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: he came to me and his tail was down and 282 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: he looks sad, and I knew it would be the 283 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: last time I would see him, and I knew he 284 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: was going to cross over, and it just broke my heart, 285 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: absolutely broke my heart. And that was about about four 286 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: years ago or so, and he had to be up 287 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: there in age by that time. But you want to 288 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: hear something really, really really cool. So recently I had 289 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: a dream of a dog that looked very similar to him, 290 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: but different markings and everything. Oh my goodness, I get 291 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: goose bumps running at me, jumping into my arms. And 292 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: it was a puppy, and I knew it was a 293 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: descendant of my dog Alien, and I knew his little 294 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: soul was in there, and it was just the greeting 295 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: of it's me, it's me. I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm back, 296 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm like, Oh, my goodness, if I 297 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: see that dog anywhere, I know I'm getting it because 298 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: that is, uh, that's my dog Alien. I'd probably name 299 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: it Alien again. Um, but I mean, it's just it's beautiful. 300 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: A lot of people they report seeing their pets and 301 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: their dreams when they've crossed over, and I'd like to 302 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: think that we get that opportunity to see them again, because, 303 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: my goodness, they were like little soul companions, aren't they. 304 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: Another thing not mentioned on here in this list of 305 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: five are orbs, or some may say spirit orbs, and 306 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: they tend to hang around haunted locations or in people's 307 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: homes where might not necessarily be haunted, but when they're seen, 308 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: they feel it is the spirit of someone they know. 309 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: And sometimes these orbs transform and have a face or 310 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: have a vibe. And I've had care An Clapper on 311 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: this program, and if you go to her Facebook page, 312 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: you'll see a couple of times she is recording these 313 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: orbs floating into her room and she refers to them 314 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: as people that she knows and just like, you know, 315 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: close the door or something, and and they'll do that, 316 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: and uh, they're orbs, their orbs, but she recognizes them 317 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: as being past loved ones. So it's it's amazing. There's 318 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: just no limits to this connection that we have to 319 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: our loved ones. Why does it end when they end? 320 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: It doesn't, It doesn't have to, and we just have 321 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: to pay attention to that. As we move through this life, 322 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: we will lose people, those that we love, those that 323 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: we feel connected to. And you know, I think that 324 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: there's also a way that sometimes people get a little 325 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: bit too can acted to a story of someone and 326 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: and sometimes when you're looking at a spirit they'll look 327 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: back at you and it becomes an attachment that it's 328 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: not related and you might not want. So we have 329 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: to be leary of such things as well. But we're 330 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: not going to focus on that today, right, We're gonna 331 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: keep a positive Oh my goodness, but I wanted to 332 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: share another very personal story. And this is one that 333 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: I haven't covered much in my lifetime, um only within 334 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: the family, because it is one of those topics that 335 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: it's like, oh gosh, that's so very different, but and 336 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: and and sad too. So um So, when I was 337 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: a kid, I lost my mom quite young, and uh 338 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: it was it was a really a strange time, you know. 339 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: I mean I was seven years old and I had 340 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: a younger sister, she was five, and you know, it's like, 341 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: I'll that love, it's just gone. Where'd her mom go? 342 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: You know? Oh God took her? What? Well, he is 343 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: no friend of mine, you know. So but there came 344 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: a very very very interesting encounter that occurred, um to 345 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: my younger sister. And interesting enough, Okay, I'll paint this 346 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: out for you. So I was walking by the shared 347 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: bedroom that myself and my sister had, and I see 348 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: she's like propped something up against the window. She was 349 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: too little to look out of it, so she's standing 350 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: on something I don't know what it does, a box 351 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: of some kind. And I noticed that she's talking to 352 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: the window. I hear her voice, yes, okay, I promise, 353 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: and I'm like I start passing and I hear her 354 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: and I go to walk in the room and she's like, 355 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: I promise Mom, okay, okay. I was like Mom, and 356 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: I am that eating you? This guss me goose bumps. 357 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: It's nighttime and the window was glowing. I saw just 358 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: this beautiful aura of white light coming from the window 359 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: and and I'm like, mom, where's mom? And I coming 360 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: up to the window to see who my sister is 361 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: speaking to, and she got so upset with me. Oh no, 362 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: you scared away. You scared her away. You scared her away. 363 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what wait, we're We're And I'm jumping 364 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: up on the box and I'm trying to look outside. 365 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: It was pitch black. I couldn't see anything. And I'm like, 366 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: would mom say what? What? Why? Why didn't she stay? 367 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't she let me say hello? And my sister 368 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: got really serious and she's like, Heidi, she told me 369 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: not to tell you what what you know? What does 370 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: that mean? Not to tell me? Why not? Why wouldn't 371 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: she want you to tell me? And my sister refused 372 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: to tell me. Ever, she remembered it quite clear, but 373 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: she would not tell me. Now and flash forward, my goodness, 374 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: I had to be about sixteen years old. A lot 375 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: of things of the strange happened when I was about 376 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: sixteen years old, and I was i read a little 377 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: paragraph about about the hypnosis and I'm like, oh, this 378 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: is cool. Call my little sister or hey, hey, let 379 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: me try this on. And she's like okay, and literally 380 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: it's a paragraph when I read it, and I'm like, 381 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: so I go to regress her and like, okay, and 382 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: don't I think she's messing with me? And I don't 383 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: believe that she's actually, you know, hypnotized, and so what 384 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: do I do? I go to that moment of when 385 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: she saw our mother in the window and I'm like, 386 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: are you seeing it now? She goes, yeah, are you 387 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: looking at mom now? Yes, I'm talking to her now? Great? 388 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: What is she telling you? I had to go there. 389 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: I had to go there. I could I couldn't. I 390 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: couldn't help myself. All these years she's held this, you know, 391 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: you saw her mother and she doesn't want you to 392 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: tell us, and that's not make sious. I'm like what 393 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: she's saying and tears start coming down my sister's face 394 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: and I realized she is really hypnotized and she's like, 395 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: she told me not to tell you, Heidi. I couldn't 396 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: believe it. I couldn't believe it. And she starts crying 397 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 1: even harder, and I'm like, oh, ohh and I'm like 398 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: almost like, oh crap, what do I do now? You know, 399 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: I've gotta snap her out of this. And I'm like, oh, 400 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna count to three and you can wake up. 401 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: And she's not moving, and then slowly she sits up, 402 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: tears all in her face as she goes, why did 403 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: you take me back to that? And I'm like, I'm sorry, 404 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm just 405 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know it would work. I really didn't, 406 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 1: so I was really really surprised that it did. And 407 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: I felt bad. I never ever found out what my 408 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: mother told her, and now she doesn't remember it. Sounds 409 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: like she needs another hypnosis session. Sounds terrible, I know, 410 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: but oh my goodness. But yeah. So people from the 411 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: other side do tend to reach out in different ways, 412 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: sometimes more powerful than the next. And our next guest 413 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: is going to share about what it is they experienced 414 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: in connecting to the other side, and it is a 415 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: story that I think a lot of us can relate 416 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: to when we lost someone and we feel utterly lost 417 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: and we are just hoping, hoping to somehow reach from 418 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: our side over to them. And there are a lot 419 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: of different ways that people can do that, and our guests, 420 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: Martin Sawa has found that way, and I think you're 421 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: going to really enjoy his story and what he has 422 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: to say coming right up. So yeah, stick around, and 423 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: I want you guys to remember go to Shadow Folks 424 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: or Heidi Hollis dot com and share your stories with 425 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: me as much as you'd like. The more information the better. 426 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: All Right, you guys are listening to Dark Becomes Light 427 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 428 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 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You are listening to 472 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 473 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network, 474 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: and just before the break, I was sharing a little 475 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: bit about what our next guest is going to be discussing. 476 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: I have Martin Sala, whose career spanned over thirty years 477 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: as a commercial real estate broker operator into developer, and 478 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: he negotiated numerous high profile transactions in San Francisco and 479 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: l A, culminating in over four million dollars in development projects. 480 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: And he left that business to write in After completing 481 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: the several screenplays and essays, he committed to writing a 482 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: memoir called The Other Side of Success. So everybody give 483 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: a round of applause to Martin Sawa. So how are 484 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: you doing today, Martin? Oh, I'm great. How are you doing? Heidi? 485 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: Life has been really interesting, so speaking of which, you 486 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: have had some very interesting situations that have inspired you 487 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: to write a book. Can you tell us a little 488 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: bit about it? The book is called The Other Side 489 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: of Success and the subtitle is Money and Meaning in 490 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: the Golden State. And it's a memoir and it covers 491 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: both my career in the world of commercial real estate 492 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: and is also pretty we're accounting of my personal life. 493 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: It's set in San Francisco in Los Angeles in the 494 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: years before and after the millennium, so there's a bit 495 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: of a historical component to it too. Fascinating. Now, this 496 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: being a paranormal program, you have delved in, have you 497 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: not into these more stranger and mysterious topics. I would 498 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: say I was more greg kicking and screaming. But yes, 499 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: like most of us, just tell us a little bit 500 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: about that. But how that occur? Well, I never being 501 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: in the business that I was, and this was again 502 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: in commercial real estate, negotiating large deals, you know, office, 503 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: high rise office buildings, shopping malls and the like. Uh, 504 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: And it was pretty intense. So I never the paranormal, 505 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: so to speak, never really factored into my life until 506 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: I married my second wife, and I was about forty 507 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: years old at the time, and h she I found 508 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: out she had what I would call powers in the 509 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: world of the unseen, and there would be kind of 510 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: anomalous situations and I just kind of slought them off. 511 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: And but after a while, you can't kind of deny 512 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: the reality. So it was more or less to her 513 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: that I got introduced to what I call the other 514 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: side and in the title of my book, the Other 515 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: Side of Success, that's also a play on the spirit world, 516 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: which is referred to as the other side. And after 517 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: the after we married, uh, I had an experience and 518 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: was introduced to a psychic medium. Again. I don't know 519 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: what made me go and see her, just we were 520 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: in LA at the time, but there was a very 521 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: compelling experience, and over time I got to know where 522 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: and interact with her, and even then I tried to 523 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: debunk the whole process, but finally just determined that there 524 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: were people who had gifts and could provide valuable information 525 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:41,479 Speaker 1: through unexplainable means, and so I went with him. And 526 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: that is quite a stretch for someone who was a skeptic. 527 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: So that's and I think we all kind of start 528 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: off that way until something happens to us and uh, 529 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: it's you think everybody is is from the show me state, 530 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: like show it to me, prove it to me, you know. 531 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: And and I think that goes hand in hand with 532 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: religious thinking, miraculous thinking. And here you had your perspective 533 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: changed just by chance and meeting this psychic medium. So 534 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: what was that point? What what was said? What what 535 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: happened that really got you to be like, all right, 536 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm dropping my guard. We again, We're in Los Angeles 537 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: and I can remember exactly where I must have seen 538 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: an ad or something for advertising that this woman was 539 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: going to give a little seminar and it was at 540 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: the Holiday Inn in Hollywood, of all places, and so 541 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: I cagel my wife to come with me. And she 542 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: was very religious and read the Bible every night, and 543 00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: notwithstanding her anomalous experiences and synchronistic events, she the Bible 544 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: cast a dim view on sorcerers and psychics and spirited 545 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: ists and the like. So she she didn't She was 546 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: kind of reluctant to go and couldn't like really understand 547 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: how this would fit into a worldview. But I finally 548 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: got out a goal and we went. And we were 549 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: in a small conference whom they were probably thirty people there. Uh, 550 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: there was a stool at the front and this woman 551 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: covers on and sits down, says her name is married Joe, 552 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: and she looked like a suburban housewife, and which she 553 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: in fact was, but she also had psychic abilities. So 554 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: she said she was going to go on the trance 555 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: and her voice changed, and I thought it was just 556 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: kind of a con and I thought she would just 557 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: kind of do you know, normal psychic kind of stuff whatever. 558 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: In my mind believed that might be. But when when 559 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: she went into trance, she started with the first person 560 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: in the front row and told this individual secrets about 561 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: his life and you could tell just by his face 562 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: that you know, he was in total shock. And then 563 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: she gave suggestions on how he might improve his life 564 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: in the present day. And so she went down the 565 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: road and by about the third person, everybody's like quiet 566 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: because you know, but she kind of revealed about me. 567 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: It was really intense, and she finally got to us 568 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: and she told my wife about experience that she had 569 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: had with her brother many years ago, and even I 570 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: didn't know about that, and she took it easy on me, 571 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: just mentioned the health issue I was having, and uh, 572 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: what I might think of doing. And so when we 573 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 1: off that night and we were just kind of in shock, 574 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: and the guy who were at the first reading, he 575 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: saw him run to his car get in. He backed 576 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: it into a concrete column and just sped away. He 577 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: was so unnerved. So yeah, so I said, there's something here. 578 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: I'm not going to accept it or calling anything by 579 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: name right now. But that's when I began my investigation 580 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: of psychics, and I subscribed to Skeptic magazine and learned 581 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: the ball. Just to make sure you covered all your 582 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: basis right, Yeah, yeah, because I'm I'm a rational person, 583 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: and obviously in business, there's no one I can talk 584 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: to about this because you know, they would roll their eyes. 585 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: You know. I didn't think that's kind of a shame though, 586 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: because I in my background in the medical field, and uh, 587 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't one to cram it down people's 588 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 1: throats either. But if they asked me questions, there's something 589 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: I loved it. It's like I get a chance to 590 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: converse with my colleagues. But don't you feel sorry sometimes 591 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: for your colleagues when they're just unaware of such things. 592 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: I can't say I feel sorry for him. Some some 593 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: of them are really successful and they have they have, 594 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, a lot going on in their lives. It's 595 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: I think it's it's um, it's how one is wired. 596 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: I've always had kind of an openness to experience, to 597 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: vestual experience, not just read about things in books, but 598 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: to try it all first hand myself, and then to 599 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: pull what I call skin in the game, and that's 600 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:48,479 Speaker 1: to put something at risk where that makes you keen, 601 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 1: because if you're proven wrong, you have consequences to paint. 602 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: And whether it's a job or whether it's marriage or 603 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: really anything in life. So so I just kind of 604 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: dove in and tried to figure it out for myself, 605 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: and I came to the conclusion that most people, in 606 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: my opinion, where identify themselves as psychics probably don't really 607 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: have any special abilities or even in some cases just 608 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: to have a fraudulent enterprise. But I also believe that 609 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:32,439 Speaker 1: there's a tiny percentage who are highly skilled and who 610 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: it's not something they nurtured to like work. But we're 611 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: born with the gift and usually discovered it at an 612 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 1: early age and then kind of denied it, but then 613 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: probably in the way teens or somewhere around there, just 614 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,439 Speaker 1: confronted the fact that they had this ability and then 615 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: chose to share it with others. I think you're definitely 616 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: really correct about that. I know a few good psychics 617 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: that make me stop and go, did you really just 618 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: now do that? Like? WHOA? 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When I started and I had a 695 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: family to support, it was just important to me to 696 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: get ahead financial and materially. My parents were immigrants from 697 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: Ukraine who arrived with nothing, and we grew up in 698 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 1: a small town and we're or Wisconsin. And then after college, 699 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: I moved out to California and were largely in the 700 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay area. So it was very competitive and 701 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: just required a lot of time and concentration. But everything 702 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: comes at the cost. My personal life was suffering. I 703 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:25,280 Speaker 1: had some issues with alcohol and it was just by 704 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: in a bad direction and I had to do something. 705 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: So I undertook to focus I didn't quit my job 706 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: at the time, but to to just put it in 707 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: perspective and to focus more time on what I called 708 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: the world of the unseen, the world of religious belief, 709 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: the world of paranormal the things that don't matter materially 710 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: and can necessarily be explained by science. And so then 711 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: I ventured further and immersed myself and had more experiences 712 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: in this area, which kind of solidified my beliefs. That's 713 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: very important. So something that I often talk about here 714 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: in this program are having faith, and I did something 715 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: similar as you indicate if your your whole adventure, you know, 716 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 1: you you kind of stray away from your faith base 717 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: and then you find other things that bring you back 718 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: to it, that have a paranormal flare or taste to it, 719 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: and it brings you back full circle. And it's like 720 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: re uh re exploring, really rediscovering uh, like a new 721 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: like this is you know, I regretted a lot of 722 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: my time spent sitting in church and like what am 723 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: I learning? I'm a kid, you know, and then it's like, oh, 724 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: it's so different when you're an adult and things got 725 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: you on this path. So how was that for you? 726 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: From the inside out, and how do you explain how 727 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: important that plus for you. I had moved to California v. 728 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: Three and had been This was after the the sixties 729 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:17,479 Speaker 1: when something shifted culturally in this country, and over from 730 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 1: then on to the present there was just an increasingly 731 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:29,320 Speaker 1: secular perspective and religion just in many cases just fading 732 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: into the background. So it wasn't like there were debates, um, 733 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, the existence of God or this believe versus 734 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: that belief. There was just no discussion and so it 735 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: was easy to you know, to get to forget what 736 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: I had learned growing up and my bringing happen to 737 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: be Catholic and there was an altar boy and then 738 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: again after high school just kind of dropped the practice 739 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: once you start seeing that in believing that there is 740 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 1: more to life than in my case, it was opening 741 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,400 Speaker 1: myself up to other experiences. The biggest shock and the 742 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: toting point in my life came when my second wife 743 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: talked about dropped dead one night, and there's no way 744 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: to describe that. After that, I contemplated suicide and and 745 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: just and it was with the help of Mary Joel 746 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 1: the psychic that brought me back more than any other 747 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:40,879 Speaker 1: thing and reconnected me with my wife and in my 748 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: mind proved that a relationship can survive physical death. And 749 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't get any better than that, right, you know, 750 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: and I know that in in the religious order of things, 751 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: they don't recommend that you consult with psychics. But there 752 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: are a lot of gifted people. And where do these 753 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: gifts come from? And it's like, and they do bring comfort? 754 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: So are we really? I think if you practice this 755 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,839 Speaker 1: in the right way for the right reasons, I don't 756 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: see the harm. And and look what it did for 757 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: you in your life exactly. The words psychic, unfortunately, can 758 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: cover a number of practices and individuals who in many 759 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 1: cases are very little uncommon. Mary Joel was I would 760 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,720 Speaker 1: call a good Christian woman, and that's when eventually endured 761 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: her too, Anita, my second wife. Whereas there are probably 762 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: many other psychics who are either non theists or again 763 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 1: not not even have much of a religious belief. So 764 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: you have to know whether the person is operating from 765 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: the dark side or not. But then it becomes a 766 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,359 Speaker 1: matter of skill. And again, the best kicks that I've 767 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: dealt with, they can always reveal something of a of 768 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: a secret nature between you and the person who who 769 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: you're communicating with that no one else could possibly know. 770 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of the the proof, so to speak. 771 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,960 Speaker 1: And they are not into, you know, trying to help 772 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: you make money in the stock market or crystal ball 773 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: or making predictions. They're into trying to help people who 774 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: are suffering to live their life better. So in that sense, 775 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: they're not much different than an accomplished therapist. And if 776 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 1: you find these people, then it's a great experience and 777 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,360 Speaker 1: you can call him a psychic. Mary Joe refers to 778 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,280 Speaker 1: herself as a soul intuitive or you call me anything 779 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,920 Speaker 1: you want, but that's that's the kind of quote psychic 780 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: that I've had the fortune was fortunate enough to to meet. 781 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you wish they you had done differently? 782 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,840 Speaker 1: If you could take a few years back and say, 783 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, on my trip to California, I wish I 784 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: had kept this in mind, Like when you speak to 785 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,400 Speaker 1: others who are seeking this great success, what would you 786 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,800 Speaker 1: tell your younger self and what do you tell others? 787 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't want it to sond banaw or cuish is, 788 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 1: but I don't. I try not to entertain regrets because 789 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: it's it just is unproductive and you can't put two 790 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: paste back in the tube. And this and the mentorship 791 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,840 Speaker 1: work that I've done, and probably the best case was 792 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,799 Speaker 1: my stepson who whose story is frankly more compelling than 793 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 1: my own in terms of the obstacles that had to 794 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,040 Speaker 1: be overcome. And it's it's not like a like books 795 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:59,760 Speaker 1: you read about real estate or other business or material success. 796 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: There are seven secrets where it's the how to. It's 797 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: it's pretty individual. Each person has the craft their own destiny, 798 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,400 Speaker 1: and each person could benefit from direction, but it's not 799 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,800 Speaker 1: a uniform template. And the biggest thing I found is 800 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: most people can do far beyond what they can imagine, 801 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,799 Speaker 1: but the problem becomes having it be congruent with their 802 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: beliefs in their personal life. And it's always a constant 803 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,799 Speaker 1: challenge to keep the two in balance or to sort 804 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: of take the middle away. Is the boredom might say, 805 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: can you give us an example of something that occurred 806 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 1: between you and uh, your wife that crossed over, like 807 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: what how did you maintain this relationship with her on 808 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: the other side? Well, right after she passed, within a 809 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: couple were weeks called Mary Joel, and Mary Joel was 810 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,800 Speaker 1: always she never tried to sell me her services. In fact, 811 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: we would only probably have a session maybe twice a year, 812 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 1: because she didn't want me to use it as a crutch. 813 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: Got it, and and so she was able to connect 814 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: with Anita. And again, a psychic, genuine psychic, is not 815 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: right all the time, like a stock trader. They're the 816 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 1: right a certain percentage at the time, but no one 817 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: could complain. Was there something that happened in particular, We've 818 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: got a minute left and I want to get a 819 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 1: quick story in and then get your website to people 820 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: who grab your book. Yeah. She she told me how 821 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 1: Anita passed, and then she said not to call and 822 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,959 Speaker 1: tell I got myself straight in this life, which took 823 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,279 Speaker 1: me a few months, and then I called back and 824 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 1: Anita reappeared and gave me information no one else could 825 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: possibly know. I know it. Then that our relationship and 826 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: that ended and it would continue to survive. Wonderful. So 827 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: how can people get your book? And what's your website? On? 828 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: My website is simply Martin Sawa dot com M A 829 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: R T I N s A w A dot com 830 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 1: And from there it gives you more information on the 831 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: book and also you can drop me a line. Love 832 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Wonderful. Thank you so much Martin 833 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 1: Sawa for coming on the program. It is a personal 834 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: thing when you are having supernatural experience that is hard 835 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 1: to express and explain and even to be believable. You know, 836 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,800 Speaker 1: it's like, how do we express to the next person, 837 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: this really did happen. I really had a connection. It's 838 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: not always so easy, but I want you guys to 839 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: remember to go to my website shadow Folks dot com 840 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,040 Speaker 1: or Heidi Hollis dot com and write me about whatever 841 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,360 Speaker 1: it is that you've exp aranch that's out of the ordinary. 842 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,800 Speaker 1: The more information the better, because then it paints a 843 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 1: picture and we can all relate. I'm not here to 844 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,360 Speaker 1: judge you. I'm not here to try to slice anybody 845 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,640 Speaker 1: down and change what it is you believe to be 846 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: true for yourself, because that is so subjective, as with Martin, 847 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: so we have an open mind here. I don't care 848 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: what corner of the universe it's coming from. I'd love 849 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,840 Speaker 1: to hear from you, and if you have research that 850 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,479 Speaker 1: you feel goes in one direction over another, I would 851 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,880 Speaker 1: love to even hear about that. We are all in 852 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 1: this together. We build each other's knowledge up in this 853 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,439 Speaker 1: lifetime and lick where we are and look where else 854 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,400 Speaker 1: we can go. I'm telling you it's an exciting world 855 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 1: and it's going to get even more exciting soon. All Right, 856 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: you guys, you have been listening to Dark Becomes Light 857 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 858 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,919 Speaker 1: host to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and we will 859 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 1: catch you next time. Stay safe, goodbye. Well, if you 860 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 1: liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait till you 861 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,480 Speaker 1: hear the next one. You've been listening to the I 862 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network