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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, we hit the reset button.

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Speaker 1: The regular season is over, the postseason is upon us,

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Speaker 1: so let's focus on this matchup, in particular the Rams

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Speaker 1: offense Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup. The Cardinals did an

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Speaker 1: excellent job of limiting the effectiveness of both in the

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Speaker 1: first meeting and not so good of a job in

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Speaker 1: the second meeting. The defense needs to find a happy

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Speaker 1: medium between the two performances. First, though, what did he say?

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode five twenty five, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu

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Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday,

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Speaker 1: visit asy Cardinals dot Com, Slash podcasts, Going for Hopkins

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Speaker 1: one hand to Catchet a touchdown DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig

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Speaker 1: Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Okay, now we can officially close

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Speaker 1: the book on the regular season. I'm in a good

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Speaker 1: spot focused on the playoffs and this matchup against the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Not that the previous eighteen weeks didn't matter didn't counts.

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Speaker 1: But as they say, it is a new season here

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Speaker 1: on January seventeenth, Monday Nights football. Yeah, and really you

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Speaker 1: just hit the reset button. You flush everything out. You

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Speaker 1: can't control the past. And now the idea is to

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Speaker 1: go one and ozho and if you don't win, you

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Speaker 1: go home. It's real simple, one and done. That's right.

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Speaker 1: And you know this Cardinals team, when they play complimentary

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Speaker 1: football and they can protect Kyler Murray's not running around.

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Speaker 1: There was a reason why they were able to beat

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Speaker 1: the second time around, but tee it up. I'm ready

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Speaker 1: for Monday night football, all right. We will dive into

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Speaker 1: this matchup the rest of the looking at different parts offense, defense,

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Speaker 1: maybe even a little special teams again. Six to fifteen

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Speaker 1: is the kickoff. Two thirty Pregame coverage begins on the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Radio Network Cardinals eleven and six at the

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Speaker 1: twelve and five Los Angeles Rams. Question is, will J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt be on the football field on Monday night? This

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Speaker 1: much we do know. Watt will be on the practice

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Speaker 1: field on Thursday. And I say Thursday because that's the

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Speaker 1: JJ Watt did address the media early on Wednesday, but

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Speaker 1: no declarations Wednesday, no promises as far as yes, I'm playing.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't know. No one knows, and he won't know.

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Speaker 1: We won't know until he actually steps foot on that

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Speaker 1: what he is supposed to do, and that is play

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Speaker 1: solid defense for the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, he spoke close

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Speaker 1: He gives you. I mean you just see the leadership

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Speaker 1: And obviously the last question was about his brothers, so

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Speaker 1: that happens all the time exactly. Yeah, but I would

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Speaker 1: So you're anticipating getting an email on Sunday or Monday

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage. As far as where the ball is snapped.

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Speaker 1: So I like what you're saying, because if you could

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Speaker 1: impact Stafford up the middle. We've seen this season, go

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Speaker 1: back to the Vikings game three interceptions, and there was

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Speaker 1: a horrible one when he was backpedaling in the end

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Speaker 1: zone and just kind of threw it to try to

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Speaker 1: make I don't know if he was trying to avoid

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Speaker 1: a safety or I don't know what he was thinking,

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Speaker 1: but he threw it right under the arms of a

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Speaker 1: Vikings defender and it was a pick six. Matthew Stafford

436
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: is going to make mistakes as good as his numbers are.

437
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: He's top ten in attempts completions, number three in yards,

438
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Speaker 1: finished second behind Tom Brady with forty one touchdowns. But

439
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Speaker 1: the other number that people point to seventeen as in

440
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: seventeen interceptions, the most in the NFL, tied with Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: and four of those seventeen were pick sixes. So if

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Speaker 1: you can make Stafford uncomfortable, he will cough it up.

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Speaker 1: That's been his history, something that he's been working on

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Speaker 1: trying to correct. But until he does it, and specifically

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Speaker 1: does it in the postseason where he's oo and three

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Speaker 1: and now has a better team around him. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure already on Matthew Stafford before even steps

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Speaker 1: foot on the field, So all of a sudden, now

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Speaker 1: you add more pressure up the middle, physical pressure, not

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Speaker 1: the mental pressure that he's probably facing. The physical pressure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do like this matchup from that standpoint, Cardinals rushing

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Speaker 1: upfield against Matthew Stafford. Yeah. And the thing is, Craig,

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Speaker 1: they're winning football games though in spite Yeah, despite there,

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Speaker 1: he's doing enough. I mean there's no door number two.

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, Vince Ferragamo's not walking through that door anytime.

456
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Speaker 1: So Kyler Murray completion percentage second in the league, close

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Speaker 1: to seventy fourteenth in yards based on him missing some games.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four TDS twelfth quarterback rating fifty six point eight.

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Speaker 1: That's seventh rating, quarterback QBR's seventh rating one hundred point six,

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Speaker 1: eight eleven and six record, well team record, playoffs, and

461
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowler that that's Kyler Murray's season in a nutshell

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. So, in other words, Stafford has forty

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Speaker 1: one touchdowns. Yes, so, but again, if you look at

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Speaker 1: the numbers, the Cardinals offense is equal to what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They Cardinals have much more rushing touchdowns, they have more

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Speaker 1: passing touchdowns. They both have fifty two touchdowns across the board,

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Speaker 1: and you look at they're both at six thousand and

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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty two and it's real close and

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Speaker 1: even on the even their drives, Cardinals are one eighty

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Speaker 1: and they're one eighty one. It's so close third down

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Speaker 1: or red zone completions very close forty four. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: mcveighets all this credit, but kingsburying his offense. They go

473
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Speaker 1: toe to toe and assist stats. But you can you

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Speaker 1: can see where how how this offense has um evolved

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of the year. Now we're going to

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Speaker 1: look back at the less less you know, four or

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Speaker 1: five games, and it happens every year. Teams start to

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Speaker 1: figure you out. It happened last year with Brian Flores

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Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick. You know, some teams will try to

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Speaker 1: keep Kyler in the pocket. Some will and make sure

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna twt a spy on him, which you know,

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Speaker 1: you know how I feel about that. They take him

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Speaker 1: out of coverage. But yeah, it's just but I just

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Speaker 1: think at the end of the year, when you get

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Speaker 1: to you know, maybe after the bye week for each team,

486
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: teams start to figure you out. And I think teams

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Speaker 1: are starting to figure out Matthew Stafford to where they're

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Speaker 1: able to get some interceptions, I mean, force pick six

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Speaker 1: is I mean, listen, I think you and I have

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Speaker 1: been doing the show long enough to you know what

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Speaker 1: I feel. In the postseason, if you get a special

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Speaker 1: teams touchdown, you get a pick six, or you go

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Speaker 1: for a fake punt, that magnifies versus the regular season,

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Speaker 1: because oh what does overcome it? That could be that

495
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: could be a difference in any game. And that's about

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Speaker 1: protecting the football and trying to force turnovers. And he's

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Speaker 1: gonna throw us one with Stafford in the pockets or

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket. There was an interesting conversation on

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Speaker 1: the NFL network Willia McGinnis talking about this matchup and

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Speaker 1: because of what we just discussed as far as the

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Speaker 1: pressure affecting a Matthew Stafford, and you brought up sometimes

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Speaker 1: they'll roll him out, but maybe they slide that pocket

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Speaker 1: more left and right, and they do roll him out,

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Speaker 1: not as much as we saw with Jared Goff, because

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Speaker 1: that was an absolute killer watching Jared Bacon but just

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00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: even if you're rolling out or it's a half rollout,

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00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: Stafford sets his feet just to buy him a little

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Speaker 1: bit more time and also allow his receivers and we'll

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Speaker 1: get into this here in a moment, but allow his

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Speaker 1: receivers a little bit extra time to beat their coverage

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Speaker 1: and get open. And I don't know how much comfort

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Speaker 1: there is with Matthew Stafford as far as being in

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Speaker 1: the pocket versus being out of the pocketing he's not

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Speaker 1: a scrambling quarterback, but as far as his ability to

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Speaker 1: throw on the run or rolling outs and then throwing,

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Speaker 1: how much effect or how effective is he outside the

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Speaker 1: pocket versus inside the pocket. But I could see perhaps

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Speaker 1: one of those adjustments, if you will, of more Matthew

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00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: Stafford rolling outs or sliding that pocket left or right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he will run, but not like Kyler Murray. He's

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Speaker 1: going to run to the sidelines if he's being flush

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket, and you don't see him run

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Speaker 1: his left a lot. But he normally, you know, because

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Speaker 1: you've got to throw across your body. If he's somebody's

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Speaker 1: coming back for the comeback route, he does run, but

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Speaker 1: it's only to get out of bounce. And so he

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Speaker 1: doesn't get hit, but he will just just you know

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Speaker 1: the old saying, play for another down. It's okay to

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Speaker 1: putt in this league, he'll do that, But you don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't have You don't have to worry about him

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Speaker 1: running in the open field. Plus he's not very fleet

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Speaker 1: of foot. You should be able to tackle him. In

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Speaker 1: a heartbeat. Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As we dive into this wild

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Speaker 1: card matchup Cardinals and Rams meeting for the third time

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Speaker 1: this season, and why so much attention on Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 1: and getting that pass rush, especially up the middle, is

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Speaker 1: because of this wide receiver corps and the perhaps banged

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Speaker 1: up Cardinals secondary. So as we look at who Matthew

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Speaker 1: Stafford is throwing the football too, let's just touch on

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Speaker 1: that first and foremost one and maybe one, two and

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Speaker 1: three Cooper Cup, the Triple Crown wide receiver winner, meaning

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Speaker 1: he led the league in receptions, receiving yards, and receiving touchdowns. Now,

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Speaker 1: once again you look at Matthew Stafford and what the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals did as far as sacks in the first meeting

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Speaker 1: versus the second meeting, the numbers are don't add up

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Speaker 1: as far as how successful the Cardinals were in the

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Speaker 1: first game. Not so in the second game. You look

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Speaker 1: at Cooper Cups numbers, however, and his numbers do translate

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Speaker 1: on what the Cardinals were able to accomplish. Remember game

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Speaker 1: one week four Cardinals one Cup held to a season

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00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: low sixty four receiving yards. He had five catches on

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Speaker 1: thirteen targets. Second time around one hundred and twenty three

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Speaker 1: receiving yards, one touchdown on a career high thirteen catches

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Speaker 1: on fifteen targets. So the targets were the same, the

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Speaker 1: receiving yards vastly difference. And now it's like, okay, well

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Speaker 1: why and the big reason why is because of injury personnel.

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00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: No Robert Alford. You know that that's that that loss

559
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: is becoming bigger and bigger as a season progresses, just

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00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: from a physicality standpoint. But you know, I did a

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Speaker 1: video and you can go to easy Cardinals dot com

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00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: with Danny Serekum. She does a great job and we

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Speaker 1: focus on a couple of different topics. But they beat

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Speaker 1: him up in that first game. There were a lot

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Speaker 1: of hits, legal hits, but physical no it's football. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a physical sport. I mean, but I know I

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Speaker 1: remember on the four or five yard line, I think

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Speaker 1: it was Byron Murphy went over there and he hit

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Speaker 1: him hard. So that's and I don't know if the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals can afford to play man to man because he's

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Speaker 1: one of the best route runners in the league. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we look at Robert Woods and Tyler Lockett and not

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00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: focusing more on the conference in the division. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at it. First game, five catches,

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Speaker 1: thirteen targets, sixty four yards. This game you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: fifteen targets, thirteen catches, one hundred and twenty three yards.

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Speaker 1: You look at his overall numbers. He is seven and

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Speaker 1: one with the Rams. Playing against the Cardinals, he has

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Speaker 1: fifty four catches, six hundred and six yards, averaging eleven

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00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: point two yards per catch, four touchdowns. He's targeted in

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Speaker 1: his career against the Cardinals about eight times a game.

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Speaker 1: But that number is going up now because of how

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Speaker 1: the connection and you're right you talk about he led

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Speaker 1: the NFL with one hundred and forty five receptions, nineteen

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven yards and sixteen touchdowns. He is

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Speaker 1: the fourth player since nineteen seventies to lead the NFL receptions,

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Speaker 1: receiving yards, and touchdown receptions in the same season, joining

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Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, Sterling Sharp and Steve Smith. Now, the nineteen

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Speaker 1: four already seven receiving yards, or the second most in

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Speaker 1: a single season, only trailing Calvin Johnson. He had nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty four and that was in twenty twelve. So his

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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty forty five receptions or the second

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Speaker 1: most in a season annually, trailing only Michael Thomas he

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Speaker 1: had one hundred and forty nine. So I mean he's

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Speaker 1: recorded eleven games of at least one hundred receiving yards.

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Speaker 1: Tigewood Pro Football Hall of famers Michael Irvin and Calvin

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00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: Johnson they both did it eleven times. Now this is

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Speaker 1: the postseason, so that won't count for a regular season.

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Speaker 1: But and the fact that he went to what school

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Speaker 1: did he go to? It's a good question. Eastern Washington. Yeah,

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00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: it's small school. I mean it's not a you know,

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00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: Ohiost Day at Alabama anything like that. Yeah, And I hope,

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Speaker 1: like you know, Christian Kirk, rondel Moore, Andy Isabella just

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00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to do it. But I'm hoping some

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Speaker 1: of the one of these Cardinal guys can beat kind

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00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: of like this guy. I mean not saying put all

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00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: those yards up, but just run great routes, Chris routes

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00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: where you're always feel like he's open. And that's the connection.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Russell Wilson working with DK Metcalf. As

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Speaker 1: soon as that trade went down, you could tell Cooper

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00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: cup and Matthew Stafford were throwing and obviously led over

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Speaker 1: to off season workouts, training camp and then the regular season.

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Speaker 1: But they are on the same page. They almost And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Kylie has a lot of signals he gives

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Speaker 1: us guys. There's signals that he sees that he's he

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Speaker 1: knows he's going to him. I mean it's it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball. You better try to stop it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna throw it, you know, hopefully, hopefully he doesn't

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Speaker 1: get the two yard or four yard catch becomes a

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Speaker 1: thirty yard catch in In other words, you gotta try

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Speaker 1: to keep everything in front of you. Easier, said Dan

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Speaker 1: Dumb because his catch radius as small as he is,

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Speaker 1: he's very shifty. He can stop on a dial on

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Speaker 1: change direction, and he has that double move where you know,

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Speaker 1: we got a chance to see aj Green, but he's

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Speaker 1: obviously much older, more, he's much taller him, he gets

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00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: out of his breaks, he does that double move. You're

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00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: honestly they're like on roller skates in the secondary because

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Speaker 1: you don't know which direction he's gonna go. Kingsbury said,

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Speaker 1: it's going to take quote a group efforts to slow

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Speaker 1: down Cooper Cup because also, don't forget about ob J.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget about He's He's been a nice edition. He

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00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: helped them, you know they were owing three. He helped

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Speaker 1: them get some wins in the month of December. And

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Speaker 1: again Robert Offer will be the perfect action for him

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Speaker 1: because Robert offers physical but OBJ, he's he's he's a weapon.

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Speaker 1: And you know the fact is that they don't have

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Speaker 1: Robert Woods, but they still have a quarterback that can

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Speaker 1: make all the throws. So two weeks ago, Cardinals go

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Speaker 1: into Dallas and basically I wouldn't say, I want to

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Speaker 1: say shut down, but severely limited the production from the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys wide receivers. And there is a belief, maybe you

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Speaker 1: share it, MJ, that the Cowboys wide receivers the best

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Speaker 1: wide receiver group in the NFL. Now, now, if you've

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Speaker 1: done it two weeks ago and you didn't have Robert

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Speaker 1: Alford and you didn't have Marco Wilson against the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: here against the Rams with a stud wide receiver and

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Speaker 1: two very good, I won't say complimentary pieces, but two

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Speaker 1: very capable wide receivers. Again, you're looking at a trio.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have shown they can. But I do think it

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Speaker 1: goes back to, all right, can you affect the quarterback?

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Speaker 1: But this defense last week did not hold up? And

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Speaker 1: what are we talking about? You lose Kevin Peterson and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden that secondary really had a drop off.

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Speaker 1: It fell off the cliff. And we're talking about Kevin Peterson,

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Speaker 1: someone who's on the practice squad right now, not on

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Speaker 1: the active roster. He hasn't been cleared for a concussion

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Speaker 1: protocol that are expecting to hear something today according to Kingsbury.

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Speaker 1: So you know you're not going to have Robert Alford.

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Speaker 1: Who knows about Marco Wilson. That's another player to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on this week, Kevin Peterson. Keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on him. So you know you have Byron Murphy. You

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Speaker 1: know you got Antonio Hamilton. You know you got Breon

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Speaker 1: Borders and perhaps hopefully bad Brelan, so you do have bodies.

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Speaker 1: But my point is, Okay, the Cardinals did it two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, so they can do it on Monday. The

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Speaker 1: only difference is Craig they were able to shut the

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Speaker 1: run game down and Dak Prescott is not as accurate

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Speaker 1: as Matthew Stafford. That was a difference. And last week Borders,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't get the call. He didn't get

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Speaker 1: the call, and then can't fault the guy who's only

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Speaker 1: been here a little while and he didn't get the call.

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Speaker 1: But they didn't made a call and he didn't hear it.

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Speaker 1: And that's why Tyler Locke has scored. There the sixty

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Speaker 1: two yard run by Penny that was on Kinnard, he

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Speaker 1: went up field. I showed you a still picture. It's

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Speaker 1: miss leading on a steel picture, but you got a

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Speaker 1: chance to see the highlight. That's all he had to

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Speaker 1: do was just move over. He's going up the field

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Speaker 1: that he makes that tackle. So these are little things

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Speaker 1: that obviously it allow the Seahawks to win that football game.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's they're gonna they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to create a pass rush and make him uncomfortable and

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Speaker 1: hopefully they can cover. And I think Jalen Thompson and

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Speaker 1: Buddha have been fine. I think Isaiah Simmons, yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of a lot of upside. He

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Speaker 1: can he can line up in the slot. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he can cover Cooper cover Cooper. Cup just too

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Speaker 1: quick out of the break, that's my opinion, even though

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Speaker 1: he know if Stafford underthrows it, he's gonna get it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just they got they got to make

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Speaker 1: sure they get him off a spot and the best

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Speaker 1: thing would be get him in third and long. You

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Speaker 1: know that means you know, Sony Michelle, they got cam

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Speaker 1: makers coming back. Um, you know Stafford doesn't really run.

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Speaker 1: So if you can somehow make them one dimensional and

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Speaker 1: force him the beach, you I'm only take our chances there.

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury asked about where he's focused on the defense this week,

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Speaker 1: and it's what you touched on, the explosive place, the

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Speaker 1: big place, and that's been a point of emphasis. The

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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense has allowed nineteen pass plays of twenty or

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Speaker 1: more yards in the past five games. Last week, Seahawks

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Speaker 1: had six pass plays of twenty or more yards. In

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Speaker 1: that second meeting the Rams big reason why they won

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Speaker 1: three pass plays of forty or more yards, a season

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Speaker 1: worst for this defense. So yeah, getting JJ Watt on

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Speaker 1: the football field can definitely help the pass defense and

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Speaker 1: help those guys in the secondary because if you look

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Speaker 1: at those first seven games, the run defense was hit

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Speaker 1: or miss, but the past defense was great. Now, of

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Speaker 1: course you had Watt on the field and Robert Alford

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Speaker 1: on the field, but with JJ Watt not on the field,

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Speaker 1: the run defense again has been spotty, but the past

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Speaker 1: defense has really really dropped off. And it goes back

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Speaker 1: to your string analogy. If the pass rushers are doing

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Speaker 1: their job, then the secondary doesn't have nearly as much

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Speaker 1: time to cover because I don't care who you are,

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Speaker 1: you can be an all pro corner, a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame corner, but if you're being an asked to cover

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Speaker 1: someone four five seconds, it's impossible. Well, and then the

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Speaker 1: scrambled drill. Now I will see this though. And when

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Speaker 1: we got a chance to talk to Christian Kurt today,

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Speaker 1: and I gotta say I really like enjoy talking to him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a big Corey Peters fan. Rossy Rutger

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Speaker 1: was here. There's a lot of guys that you just

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Speaker 1: listen what they're saying and you can kind of figure

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Speaker 1: it out. You go on a nineteen play drive, you

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Speaker 1: chew up, you know, a good portion of the clock.

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Speaker 1: You go on a fourteen play drive. You go on

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Speaker 1: a fourteen play drive, and you're settling for field goals.

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Speaker 1: And that's been the biggest difference where that's where you

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Speaker 1: play complimentary football. You can't kick field goals against the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Now Stafford lifetime against the Cardinals four or five and one,

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Speaker 1: completing sixty four percent of his passes, twenty five hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: seventeen touchdowns, nine interceptions, quarterback rating about eighty nine. So

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Speaker 1: it's not like he's like any I know Cooper Cup

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Speaker 1: is a wide receiver, but since Cooper Cup has been there,

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Speaker 1: there's seven and one against the Cardinals. We know that

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Speaker 1: that streak broke when they beat him um in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: But four or five and one, so I'll take our chances, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because the Cardinals have seen him for a number of

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Speaker 1: different two thousand and nine, well, when you're playing the

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Speaker 1: Lions every single season, that was the first year. It

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Speaker 1: was two thousand and nine, and they actually he was

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Speaker 1: inactive that game, so it would have been two thousand

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Speaker 1: and twelve. But there's enough film, yes on Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 1: whether it's with the Lions or the Rams, and then

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Speaker 1: you have to account for the offensive lineman and the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, but tency in just mcvay's scheme versus what

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Speaker 1: he was doing in Detroit. So look, I know the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are underdogs, and rightfully so, they are limping into

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Speaker 1: the postseason losers of four or five. Later on this week,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about what the offense needs to do again

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Speaker 1: this Rams defense, But as far as where the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: can attack the Rams offensively, it goes back to the

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Speaker 1: pass rush, at least for me, and making sure that yeah,

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Speaker 1: you want to stop the run, but I'll even go

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Speaker 1: as far as saying, get into the backfield and not

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Speaker 1: stop Matthew Stafford, but hit him, make him uncomfortable him,

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Speaker 1: start thinking about, hey, who's coming to my left or

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Speaker 1: to my right? Because you're you're taught at a young age,

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Speaker 1: maybe not, you know, maybe it's more when you get

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Speaker 1: to the varsity or you know, college football quarterbacks cannot

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Speaker 1: look at the rush. You have to feel the rush,

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Speaker 1: but if people are are getting close enough to your

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Speaker 1: legs and knees, it's human nature just to look down.

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Speaker 1: Tackle for losses would go a long way. Tackle for losses.

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Speaker 1: Now you put him in second and thirteen, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know that tackle for losses, but just getting an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Don't let him sit in the pocket and scan the

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Speaker 1: field because he's accurate. And that's the reason why they

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Speaker 1: went out and went all in for Matthew Stafford. Because

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Speaker 1: they're hosting the Super Bowl this year, and I know

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Speaker 1: Stan Cronki has made it very clear I better not

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Speaker 1: see another NFC team play in the Super Bowl than

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Speaker 1: the Rams. So to me, that's motivation. I love the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are flying under the radar. It's zero and zero.

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Speaker 1: You win, you move on, you lose, you go home.

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Speaker 1: That's it. What happened in the past. This year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can go buy tendencies and trends, you know how

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Speaker 1: you match up with them, but it's not going to

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Speaker 1: mean anything come Monday night. All that stuff has been done.

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Speaker 1: Now you go. And I thought Kyle Vanderbosh brought up

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Speaker 1: a great point and I was gonna ask Kingsbury, but

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Speaker 1: probably not the right time. Because he was trying to

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Speaker 1: win the game. But usually teams look at the last

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Speaker 1: four games you played and there's carryover. So playing in

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Speaker 1: division games, there's carry over. Now you go back to

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Speaker 1: the two games you played against them. But it was

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Speaker 1: Cliffs saving anything to where the Rams. Again, he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: admit to that because he tried to win the game.

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Speaker 1: They just didn't play up to par. But there's things

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Speaker 1: that maybe he didn't show in the last four weeks

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Speaker 1: because we know he works ahead. Yes, and I can

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Speaker 1: tell you right now the scouts have looked at all

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Speaker 1: the teams that they possibly could play, and that goes

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Speaker 1: in the file if they happen in advance. So it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if he held something in his toolbox.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure, but I thought it

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Speaker 1: show all our cards here, We're still going to try

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Speaker 1: to win. Don't get him. I don't want to mislead anybody,

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Speaker 1: but we know Cliff works ahead, and if he sees tenancies,

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Speaker 1: what other teams, what the Niners do, what a garoppolo do?

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Speaker 1: They got hot and so I don't know that for sure,

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Speaker 1: but it kind of I would say there's something to it,

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Speaker 1: but I just don't know. We'll just have to wait

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Speaker 1: and see the play call sheet or we see how

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Speaker 1: here on Wednesday, James Connor Chase Edmonds, Jonathan Ward all

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Speaker 1: day to day. According to Kingsbury, full confidence from the

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Speaker 1: players get asked about it as well, with Jonathan Ward

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Speaker 1: far as play some running back. Tanner Vallejo is available

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Speaker 1: if he gets added to the practice squad, perhaps later

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Speaker 1: on in the week. And speaking of the practice squad,

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Speaker 1: this little notes from Los Angeles, the Rams have signed

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Speaker 1: veteran safety Eric Wittele to the practice squad. The expectation though,

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Speaker 1: is that he will be available and in uniform on Monday, because,

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Speaker 1: as we discussed, Jordan Fuller is done for the season.

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Speaker 1: They're starting safety, defensive captain, play caller on the defensive side.

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Speaker 1: He's out with an ankle injury. Taylor rap is in

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Speaker 1: concussion protocol. So there's a need for somebody and why

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Speaker 1: not find somebody? Yes, better than the thirteen seasons. Whatell

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Speaker 1: a different coordinator, but I'm sure they have the same concepts.

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Speaker 1: Thirty seven years old and he was a great player

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Speaker 1: with the Ravens and um, you know he's gonna I

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Speaker 1: guess he's gonna chance to possibly win a ring and

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Speaker 1: only playing in the postseason, but hopefully we can have

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Speaker 1: him go home early then later in the postseason talk

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Speaker 1: about one and done. Maybe Eric Weddle is one and done. Hey,

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim Almandro for Mike Drecky. I'm

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