WEBVTT - Part One: The First Shah of Iran

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<v Speaker 1>Al Zone media, what's illegal, my US invasions of several

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<v Speaker 1>countries actually that have been happening recently, and also my

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<v Speaker 1>entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards, a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about bad people, the worst in all of history, several

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<v Speaker 2>of whom are currently in the Trump administration, where they

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<v Speaker 2>have recently orchestrated what is already ramping up to be

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<v Speaker 2>a bloody war with Iran. We're covering what's happening in

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<v Speaker 2>an ongoing basis on our daily news podcast. It could

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<v Speaker 2>happen here, but you know that's not what we do

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<v Speaker 2>overt Behind the Bastards. You know, we're not breaking news here.

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<v Speaker 2>Our specialty is like pieces of shit, and that makes us,

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<v Speaker 2>i think, well suited to talk about why is stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like why is the Western world's relationship with Iran? What

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<v Speaker 2>it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How did all of this shit start? Like what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on that kind of led to the present situation?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to tell that story, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to start with the seventeen hundreds and the eighteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>in the period of like particularly what's called the Great Game,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, you know, kind of this thing that happens

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<v Speaker 2>at the height of British and Russian imperialism, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to talk about the Shaw, the very first Shah

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<v Speaker 2>of Iran, because it's the Shaws of Iran that lead

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<v Speaker 2>us to the current regime in Iran, and that lead

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<v Speaker 2>us to a lot of things about the current conflict

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<v Speaker 2>and like why it's taken on the dimensions that it's

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<v Speaker 2>taken on. So in order to talk about all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>we're bringing on my buddy and doctor Kavejoda also podcaster,

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<v Speaker 2>much more impressive than doctor. I should have led with

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<v Speaker 2>podcaster Kava I'm sorry, welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>And musician, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>And musician many things. You're a multi till apology.

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<v Speaker 4>The key is to be bad at all of them.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the key to doing this right. If you want

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<v Speaker 4>to do more, that's a polycraft, not mess.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, you want to you want to know what

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<v Speaker 3>you are good at?

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<v Speaker 4>Though?

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<v Speaker 5>What what am I good at?

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<v Speaker 3>Being my friend it's.

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<v Speaker 5>My best job.

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<v Speaker 2>Also being a doctor and a podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good at one of those three things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm hoping it's doctor.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's the one that's especially sort of the one

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<v Speaker 4>good at. The rest is you're going to find out

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<v Speaker 4>listener and viewer not as much, but you know, give

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<v Speaker 4>it my darnedest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean this is obviously like what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on right now the United States is doing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we we've just killed a school full of little girls,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of really ugly stuff. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to like the story of like why did the

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<v Speaker 2>US start fucking around with Iran? Like why why is

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<v Speaker 2>the current Iranian regime the way it is, that all

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<v Speaker 2>starts well before the US gets involved, right, that that

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<v Speaker 2>starts with you know, like most of our imperial ambitions,

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<v Speaker 2>we cribbed off the notes of the Brits and the

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<v Speaker 2>Russians from like a century or so ago, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>those imperial powers who made sure that Iran wound up

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<v Speaker 2>with a shah in the first place, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have a revolution, because the Shaws rule

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<v Speaker 2>so badly that they inspire revolution, which brings us the Ayahtolas.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of these are our stories in and of themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>But this week we're going to be talking about like

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<v Speaker 2>the first Shah of Iran, of the Palavi dynasty, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's where we're obviously Iran had previous shaws, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about like the dad of the guy who

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<v Speaker 2>got exiled when the current government of Iran took over,

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<v Speaker 2>And how much do you know about the first about

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<v Speaker 2>Reza Khan, like the first of that line of shaws.

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<v Speaker 4>That's so first of all, the thank you for having

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<v Speaker 4>me back on first of all.

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<v Speaker 2>Second, oh shit, I talked right over that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm so happy.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm so happy that you're covering this topic because

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<v Speaker 4>you're exactly right. There is a long history of involvement

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<v Speaker 4>of Western powers, and as an American, the American powers,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, really explicitly in nineteen fifty three, as we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna I'm sure talk about that really set off a

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<v Speaker 4>chain of events that led us to where we are now.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, you could argue did a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>damage and destabilize the region. So what bothers me the

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<v Speaker 4>most is that it's a story that most people in

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<v Speaker 4>the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>Do not know.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't know the real reason why people in Iran

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<v Speaker 4>may have taken over that embassy back in seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't really know some of the anger, the anti

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<v Speaker 4>American feeling that happened at that time, because before that

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<v Speaker 4>there was great relations you know, for a while between

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<v Speaker 4>the two countries. So I think it's a really important story.

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<v Speaker 4>I do know more or less the basics of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I never was that interested in the Shaws because, like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just the concept of a monarchy just rubs me

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<v Speaker 4>the wrong way. In general, it seems like a terrible idea.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not into it.

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<v Speaker 4>But there are these characters in there, which I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to talk about, like Moza Deech, who are

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<v Speaker 4>really interesting people. And there is a story here that

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<v Speaker 4>really explains a lot about what's happening here. The reson

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<v Speaker 4>his son Mohammed Reza Khan and now his son who's

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<v Speaker 4>now a player, and what's happening currently the news. So

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<v Speaker 4>it is, it is, It's something I know a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit about. But part part of the thing is like

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<v Speaker 4>when you grow up Iranian and your parents came over

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<v Speaker 4>after the revolution. A lot of these parents are very

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<v Speaker 4>politically savvy, well read, studied, We're politically active, but getting

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of information from them was hard about what

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<v Speaker 4>happened during the revolution, not just because everyone has only

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<v Speaker 4>their side of it, but because Irani's get so upset

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<v Speaker 4>about it. It would just be like, did that bastard

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<v Speaker 4>did this, and that son of a bitch did this,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you're like, you're losing the story here with this,

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<v Speaker 4>and you can't really get the story from your family.

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<v Speaker 4>So it is nice to I think we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>go into more depth about what actually happened now.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get that in part. I think because if

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<v Speaker 2>I had to, if I got exiled and had to

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<v Speaker 2>explain overseas like a bunch of the different infighting around

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<v Speaker 2>leftist movements, or like a bunch of the different right

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<v Speaker 2>wing grifters who got us here, I would probably just

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<v Speaker 2>wind up cursing, like right after a while, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>this son of a bitch and this piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, you have to really work to be and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to clarify we're not even getting past We're

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<v Speaker 2>only gonna up to nineteen forty one in these episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do both shows at once, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much behind how the British and the Russians like

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<v Speaker 2>maneuver the situation that leads to this dynasty into being,

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<v Speaker 2>and how the oil situation gets started that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to really talk to. So we will come back and

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<v Speaker 2>we will do the sequel to these episodes, which we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk more about Mozada as well. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about him some of these episodes, but he's like it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes the prime Minister, I think at fifty one, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's even a little past the era we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But this, this is really important because this is what

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<v Speaker 2>sets this is what starts like everything into motion that

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing, unfortunately come to very like a very bloody

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<v Speaker 2>head right now. Right, So we're going to start these

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<v Speaker 2>episodes talking about a period of time. This is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be kind of over to the to the US.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like happening in like the Civil War reconstruction era, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and in Europe that's also a time of great change

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<v Speaker 2>and of war. You know, not only is Europe industrializing

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<v Speaker 2>rapidly in the eighteen seventies, Germans beat France in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy in the Franco Prussian War, and the British Empire,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is kind of watching this. They're seeing Germany

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<v Speaker 2>become a major world power because Germany becomes a country

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen seventy one as the result of that war,

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<v Speaker 2>and very suddenly France isn't the primary land power in

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<v Speaker 2>Western Europe. Anymore. Germany is and so Britain, which had

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<v Speaker 2>primarily been worried about France previously, has two growing and

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<v Speaker 2>major concerns in this period after eighteen seventy. One is

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<v Speaker 2>that you've got this Kaiser and he seems really interested

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<v Speaker 2>in expanding Germany's military capacity, right, And the Brits are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fine with the fact that Germany's got the

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<v Speaker 2>most powerful army in Europe. You're like, Uprussians can have

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<v Speaker 2>your big army, right that that's fine as long as

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<v Speaker 2>they stay on the continent. But once you start building boats,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when the Brits are not happy with you. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>no one else is allowed to have a navy. That's

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<v Speaker 2>really the British Empire's primary like foreign policy during this period,

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<v Speaker 2>vise of the Europe is like other people want boats?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a second, like, hold the fuck up?

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<v Speaker 5>Can I can?

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<v Speaker 4>I also make a quick note, I love the way

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<v Speaker 4>when you say the Germans. I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 4>been meant to do this. You slipped into cid Germans.

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<v Speaker 5>Germans. It's very good.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a beautiful, beautiful case of a small town

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<v Speaker 2>German Man who went to New York City recently and

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<v Speaker 2>had some salsa verde on a taco and is suing

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<v Speaker 2>because like the spice like destroyed his body and like said,

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<v Speaker 2>like for days made him ill. It was like New

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<v Speaker 2>York City Salsa Verde. I was just thinking, motherfucker, I

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<v Speaker 2>canned some Barbera CoA last week that could wipe out

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<v Speaker 2>all of Germany. If that's if that's really the level

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<v Speaker 2>of spice tolerance over there. I know this guy's just

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<v Speaker 2>a hay seed grifter from a small town. Sorry, my

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<v Speaker 2>German friends, I know you can handle spices.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, listen. We had a whole series of commercials

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<v Speaker 4>in the eighties, remember where they're like pace made in

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<v Speaker 4>New York.

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<v Speaker 5>City, New York City, got a road New.

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<v Speaker 2>York City salsa.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a whole fairy offensive to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it would be allowed to have salsa.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Yeah, so the Brits are looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>at the Germans start to expand their navy and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>well fuck, Like if Britannia doesn't rule the waves, like

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<v Speaker 2>what do we really have right? We can't the home

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<v Speaker 2>islands are in danger if we can't keep if we

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<v Speaker 2>can't keep control of the sea. So that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>Great Britain's major concerns in this period. The other thing

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<v Speaker 2>that's really freaking them out is India, right, protecting India.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the jewel in the British Empire's crown. It's

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<v Speaker 2>their most valuable possession, right and the Germans are nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>near India, thank god. But over the course of the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century, Imperial Russia starts expanding troublingly close to India.

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<v Speaker 2>Right like they start, there's a couple of different fits

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<v Speaker 2>and starts where the Russians will you know, expand their

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<v Speaker 2>territory and they keep getting closer to the British raj

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<v Speaker 2>I want to quote from the article a very British

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<v Speaker 2>Coup in the World Policy Journal by Sharen Brisik, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>the British watch nervously is the distance between the Russian

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<v Speaker 2>Empire and India, too, thousand miles at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteenth century, shrank so much that by centuries end,

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<v Speaker 2>as the Russian Empire expanded eastward at the amazing average

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<v Speaker 2>of fifty five square miles per day, as little as

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<v Speaker 2>twenty miles separated the two empires in Central Asia's premieres

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<v Speaker 2>squeeze between these expanding powers was Persia, described by George

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Curzon, one time Viceroy of India and subsequent Foreign Secretary,

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<v Speaker 2>as one of the pieces on a chessboard upon which

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<v Speaker 2>is being played out a game for the domination of

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 4>We're real proud of being upon, real proud of that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Great thanks for calling us pieces on a chessboard.

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<v Speaker 5>Fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Purson Is We're talking about him a lot in these episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I should do an episode on just him. He's one

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<v Speaker 2>of these, like when we talk about British imperialists, he

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<v Speaker 2>is like one of the imperialists of imperialists in the

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<v Speaker 2>British Empire's history. And this is why Curzon's comment is

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<v Speaker 2>why participants came to call this struggle in what's often

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<v Speaker 2>I referred to as like the Near East right between

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<v Speaker 2>Russia and Great Britain, as the Great Game.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a diplomatic, propagandistic, and sometimes military struggle between

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<v Speaker 2>the British and Russian empires over Central Asia. One part

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<v Speaker 2>of the Great Game is that the Great Britain invades

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<v Speaker 2>and occupies Afghanistan for a while. Doesn't work well, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But that's part of why that happens, right, is it's

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<v Speaker 2>part of the stupid game they're playing with the Russians,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all in the name of keeping India safe.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want Russia to get Afghanistan and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want Russia to get.

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<v Speaker 5>Persia, right. Perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The actual name the Great Game, I think comes

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen forty, is the invention of a British spy

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<v Speaker 2>named Arthur Connolly who was corresponding with a colleague in Kandahar, Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 2>and wrote, you've a great game, a noble game before you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now obviously again everyone dies, like a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>British Expeditionary Force dies, So I don't know how great

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<v Speaker 2>a game they thought that was. By the end there,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the thing that bothers me. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>much about this time period, so this is really interesting

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<v Speaker 4>to hear. I do know a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 4>the coup, as we mentioned that you'll get to at

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<v Speaker 4>some point in the future. In One nauseating fact about

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<v Speaker 4>that is the callous nature in which these like British

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<v Speaker 4>and American spies and propagandists, how they talk about it afterwards,

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<v Speaker 4>like how much fun it was to overlay great game.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a game.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so much fun, and they were good at it

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<v Speaker 4>and we won. It's just the it drives me a baddie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then the millions of people's lives, and I take

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<v Speaker 2>some satisfaction that. Connolly in eighteen forty writes his colleague,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a great game, a noble game before you

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen forty two, like the shattered remnants of the

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<v Speaker 2>army that had marched into the first angle Tic Couple

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<v Speaker 2>during the First Anglo Afghan War, like flee because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they get massacred, like very badly. So at least a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times these guys got shot, but not nearly

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<v Speaker 2>an often enough cava, that is to be, not nearly

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<v Speaker 2>often enough.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a recurring theme.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people get shot this story, but not

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<v Speaker 2>the right ones. Generally, usually some teenagers who got drafted

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<v Speaker 2>from farms.

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<v Speaker 5>So always the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now, before that term was invented, the great Game,

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<v Speaker 2>the Russians did have one of their own. They called

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<v Speaker 2>it the Tournament of Shadows, which is objectively cooler, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that is a cooler name.

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<v Speaker 4>That sounds like a fantasy novel that I would probably read.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a tournament of shadows. Right, it's a great name

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<v Speaker 2>for like a prestige TV show, right, that will really

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<v Speaker 2>disappoint you in maybe like the seventh season, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get weird. Yeah. So for the British again, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole goal of this stupid game is to protect their

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<v Speaker 2>territory in India. And the whole name of the game

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<v Speaker 2>for the Russians was for the Tzar, each subsequent zar

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<v Speaker 2>to prove himself a good ruler. And the main thing

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<v Speaker 2>you had to do as Tzar to be a good

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<v Speaker 2>ruler is expand the borders of the empire. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>people forget this because of how weak Russia seems entering

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<v Speaker 2>World War One and is. But through the eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>again fifty five miles a day, the Russian Empire expands

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<v Speaker 2>over the course of like years. It's crazy how fast

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<v Speaker 2>this I mean. And you look at the size of

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian Empire at its maximum extent, it's not that weird.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Brits have a hard line of how close

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<v Speaker 2>they want anyone, any European power to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>Raj and the Russians feel like we have to expand constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>and it ultimately Persia winds up standing in between both empires.

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<v Speaker 2>So in Persia in seventeen eighty five, you're gonna help

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<v Speaker 2>me with the pronunciation here. I think it's the the

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<v Speaker 2>Quahar dynasty or Qajar dynasty.

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<v Speaker 4>Qaj j Ar.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's Kajar Kajar.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's an actual j I'm going to preface

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<v Speaker 4>this by apologizing to how many of our actual Iranian

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<v Speaker 4>listeners you have that my Parsi is only nominally better

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<v Speaker 4>than Roberts. I mean, it's better, but not as good

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<v Speaker 4>as yours. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was born

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<v Speaker 4>in Indiana. You're lucky I speak English much less Farcia.

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<v Speaker 4>So just so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Qujar dynasty took power seventeen eighty five, and

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<v Speaker 2>they are the descendants of Turkomen from Central Asia and

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<v Speaker 2>aren't seen as authentically Persian by a lot of people, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>authentically they're not seen is belonging in what's called Persia,

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<v Speaker 2>right because there's a lot of different ethnic groups there. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>because the first Kajar king doesn't have like a really

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<v Speaker 2>solid hold on power, he decides he has to put

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<v Speaker 2>on a show in order to convince everyone he belongs

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<v Speaker 2>in the job, right. You know, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I should be in Tehran at all. I

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<v Speaker 2>have to really like make everyone believe i'm legitimately like

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<v Speaker 2>God wants me here, right. And so this first Kujar

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<v Speaker 2>king is Fathali Shah and he's known his nickname is

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<v Speaker 2>the super procreant because he has a lot of kids.

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<v Speaker 3>But by the way, and just just so it's if

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<v Speaker 3>it's not obvious, the word shaw translates to like emperor, ruler, king, right,

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<v Speaker 3>just in case people weren't aware of that. Somebody asked

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<v Speaker 3>me that question like a few years ago, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>So just a case.

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<v Speaker 2>And it often in these names it will come as

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<v Speaker 2>like a last name, but that is his title, right,

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<v Speaker 2>He's fath Aly Shah, is faf Al is the Shah. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Reza Khan will become Resis Shah like when he becomes

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<v Speaker 2>the Shah.

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<v Speaker 5>And he gave the name Paula Vi.

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<v Speaker 4>They because it was like the I think it was

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<v Speaker 4>like the ancient Lang written word Persian.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we'll talk about that because that's that's important

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<v Speaker 2>to this. There's a lot of ethnic groups in Persia

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, and he's only really the sha is

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<v Speaker 2>only going to be really interested in one right, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of a big part of like what occurs

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<v Speaker 2>in his reign. But so the first Kajar king is

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<v Speaker 2>known as the super procreant because he's he's fucking constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's also why the throne of the Shahs of

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<v Speaker 2>Iran gets its name, because it's called the peacock Throne.

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<v Speaker 2>Now for an explanation of why it's called the peacock Throne,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to quote from a Boss Milani, the author

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<v Speaker 2>of a book called the Sha Here's how they describe it.

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<v Speaker 2>That superb and barbarous devon of enamel and precious stones,

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<v Speaker 2>with its airbesque designs wrought of twenty six thousand gyms

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<v Speaker 2>brought back from India as spoils of war. It uses

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<v Speaker 2>bright red rubies, deep blue sapphires, and verdant greened emeralds,

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<v Speaker 2>and is flanked by two golden snakes, each peering from

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<v Speaker 2>one side. In the beginning, the peacock Throne was called

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<v Speaker 2>the sun Throne. Its name was changed because the Shah,

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<v Speaker 2>who had close to one thousand wives of quote diverse

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<v Speaker 2>origin had a favorite concubine. This concubine was named Taboo,

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<v Speaker 2>and that name literally means peacock in Persian. And so

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<v Speaker 2>this throne the sun throne. They fuck on it the

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<v Speaker 2>night they get married, and he starts calling it the

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<v Speaker 2>peacock throne because he has sex with this lady whose

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<v Speaker 2>name is peacock on it. That's why it's the peacock throne. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to clarify. This is one explanation I

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<v Speaker 2>found in one book for why it's called the peacock throne.

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<v Speaker 2>And this represents like a popular story more than it

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<v Speaker 2>does kind of the literal truth, because you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>peacocks carved into the throne. There's some I think I've

0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.800
<v Speaker 2>heard some other stories as to like why it's called that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and Iran is called the peacock Kingdom or Perge is

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<v Speaker 2>called the pincock Kingdom at around this time too. This

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<v Speaker 2>should be viewed as kind of a story that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people told as to why the throne got

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<v Speaker 2>its name, as opposed to like the absolute reason. Pretty

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<v Speaker 2>cool name for a story for a throne's name.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, that is pretty.

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<v Speaker 4>That is real game of Thrones. E that is very game.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it better than the Iron Throne. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>nicer story than a bunch of swords getting a meltzed

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<v Speaker 2>together a fun night.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Peacock Throne sounds better. The reality of these

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.440
<v Speaker 4>thousand women actually being into this guy pretty low, probably

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<v Speaker 4>not great, so it makes it a little bit less

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<v Speaker 4>charming for me.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, yeah, it's a great name.

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<v Speaker 2>When you think about Yeah, the relationship dynamics, it's less fun,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it's probably more comfortable than the Iron Throne.

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<v Speaker 4>Way better than the Iron Throne.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't want to have sex on the Iron Throne,

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<v Speaker 2>like you'd get like tetanus pretty badly, I think. I

0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.040
<v Speaker 2>don't think wester Ros has vaccines for that.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's really cold, I think to be I think

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<v Speaker 4>if you were naked, I think it would be really cold.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there are things to hold on to, which

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:12.000
<v Speaker 4>is nice.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of a lot of grips. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>good side.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of bricks.

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<v Speaker 3>Did either of you watch the Night of a Seven

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<v Speaker 3>Kingdoms Game of Thrones show.

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<v Speaker 5>I did.

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<v Speaker 4>It's my first time venturing back into the world of

0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.399
<v Speaker 4>west ROAs since the original series.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I need to watch it? What's the vibe?

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<v Speaker 4>It's fun, it's good. I mean, it's a much lighter

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.399
<v Speaker 4>I think they kind of read the room and they're like,

0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 4>people don't want so much rape and incest and all that,

0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:41.879
<v Speaker 4>and they kind of like they tried to mix it

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<v Speaker 4>up a little bit, a little bit less castration in

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<v Speaker 4>this one, which is a big plus for me.

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<v Speaker 5>I was trying.

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<v Speaker 2>We could talk about this for hours. We were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry sorry, sorry, my friend, my friends are here, We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to talk about game of Throws.

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<v Speaker 4>I could totally do that for like an hour, because

0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:01.879
<v Speaker 4>sat speaking, I have a lot of thoughts about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, oh yeah, solidly an hour. So we've got

0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.439
<v Speaker 2>this new king. He's incredibly horny, famously horny, so horny

0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.199
<v Speaker 2>that the throne is named for his horniness, which is

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<v Speaker 2>again the coolest anyone will be in these episodes.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>From there, it's all downhill from the peacock throne getting named.

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<v Speaker 2>One of fath Ali Shah's most consequent little decisions was

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<v Speaker 2>that he signs a treaty in eighteen twenty eight that

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<v Speaker 2>gives a big chunk of Persia away to the Russian

0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Czar in exchange for protection. Persia is not a strong country.

0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.040
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't really have a functional military. Like the military

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.120
<v Speaker 2>is kind of capable of keeping like the people from

0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.160
<v Speaker 2>rebelling against the Shah, but it can't defend the country

0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:51.240
<v Speaker 2>from other countries, right, And a lot of critics complain

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.719
<v Speaker 2>that this eighteen twenty eight treaty makes Persia a virtual

0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.239
<v Speaker 2>satrap of the Tzar. Right, basically, Persia's just like a

0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.560
<v Speaker 2>satellite state of the Russian Empire now, and so subsequent

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.360
<v Speaker 2>rulers in the Shaw's line would veer towards the British

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 2>whenever they get worried that like the Russians are getting

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<v Speaker 2>too much power, and part because they're getting criticized by

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<v Speaker 2>the people, Like the people are pissed that, like you're

0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.720
<v Speaker 2>giving everything away to the Russians. So they'd be like, well,

0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe i'll make friends with the British and then you know,

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the Russians will have to kind of fight for my

0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.720
<v Speaker 2>affection with the British and maybe we can gain a

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<v Speaker 2>little more power that way.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, with the Shah and their success, they just are

0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.400
<v Speaker 2>getting bribes from both these sides, right, and they're getting

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 2>a shitload of bribes from the British, who are gained

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.280
<v Speaker 2>more and more power over the Persian Court over the

0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.160
<v Speaker 2>course of the eighteen hundreds, basically by being like, hey,

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.320
<v Speaker 2>those Russians, I don't think they're going to stop at

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the stuff they got in that treaty. But you know,

0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 2>we've got British guns, and we've got we can send

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.840
<v Speaker 2>some suppoies over from the colonies, and you know, we

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.199
<v Speaker 2>can really keep an eye on your back fellow. You

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.040
<v Speaker 2>know if you just give us this little bit of

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.399
<v Speaker 2>some mineral rights here and there, that just build a

0:22:56.400 --> 0:23:00.600
<v Speaker 2>factory here and then you know, expose these these raw materials.

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.040
<v Speaker 2>You never regret your dealings with the British Empire. That's

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of what's going on over like the seventy year period.

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:07.679
<v Speaker 5>You like G, we like G.

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.560
<v Speaker 4>There's no harms that could come out of this relationship.

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Ever, two groups of people who like tea could never

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 2>hob one another.

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 5>You will say.

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:20.680
<v Speaker 4>Actually, fun fact, Iran is known famously for its tea consumption,

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:24.160
<v Speaker 4>like an insane amount of tea consumption. But we were

0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 4>the old school coffee like all we used to be

0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 4>all about coffee. I blame the British for becoming a

0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 4>tea country, which is in my mind something I'm not

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:35.720
<v Speaker 4>proud of. I want to go back to being a

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 4>coffee country. I don't want to be a tea country.

0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 2>He must return.

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 5>God, it really bothers me, I know, I know.

0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 2>No, because because Syria, the Syrians are really like kicking

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:46.359
<v Speaker 2>y'all's asses in the coffee department.

0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:48.119
<v Speaker 5>Right, Oh, no, we lost our coffee.

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.399
<v Speaker 4>Must return, I know. Well, they have hipster coffee shops

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.119
<v Speaker 4>now in Iran. You can go to Iran. They'll do

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.959
<v Speaker 4>like the the hipster latte sort of art and stuff.

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:56.960
<v Speaker 5>They have that.

0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 4>But I mean, we used to it used to be

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:00.960
<v Speaker 4>like our thing, one of our things.

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah. So the situation going on between these British

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.399
<v Speaker 2>agents and these Russian agents all competing with these various

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:11.199
<v Speaker 2>shaws is complicated by the fact that this isn't just

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 2>a contest for influence between England and Russia. Within the

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.479
<v Speaker 2>British Empire, there are two sets of competing envoys that

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 2>are in Persia and are fighting with each other as

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.719
<v Speaker 2>well as with the Russians. One set of British envoys

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 2>are answering to the Foreign Office back in London, and

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 2>another set are sent by the government of the British

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Raujian Calcutta and these guys, so they're like representing British

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 2>India in Persia, and they have this huge office on

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 2>the Gulf coast in a place called Boucher. And here's

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Sharen Brysak describing, like the ministry from Calcutta. The Government

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:51.159
<v Speaker 2>of India preferred a highly decentralized Persian regime that means weak.

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 2>So from the outset, successive residents, including Major supercy Cox

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 2>and Lieutenant Colonel A. T. Wilson, cultivated ties with nearby Shakedoms. Kurzon,

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 2>an eventual Viceroy of India, visiting in eighteen eighty nine,

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 2>spotted the Union jack fluttering from the summit of the

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 2>residency flag staff and wrote that it was no vain

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 2>symbol of British ascendancy. The British resident is to this

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 2>hour the umpire to whom all parties appeal, having at

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.679
<v Speaker 2>his command an effective naval force imposed it will he

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 2>may be entitled the uncrowned King of the Persian Gulf.

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 2>So basically Kurzon realizes that like, because we've like we're

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.719
<v Speaker 2>running the show by eighteen eighty nine in Persia outside

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.360
<v Speaker 2>of the areas the Russians have like literally taken over

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>by treaty. We are governing the country in all but name,

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 2>because we have all of the weapons here, right, That's

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 2>what he's bragging about.

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so you do.

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 4>That to show that really well. And it's weird, like

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 4>you you like get into that British character. It's not

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 4>just the voice, it's the you. You can get that

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 4>entitlement like.

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>You're channeling, you channel it.

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 5>It's yeah, brilliant.

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 2>So the Shah benefits from having a close relationship with

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Great Britain because British naval power is effectively his as

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 2>long as he does whatever they asked, right. As one

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.480
<v Speaker 2>such envoy wrote of the Shaw quote, he and his

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister were worried by the Russian threat to Persian independence.

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>They believed or hoped that by giving the British a

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.199
<v Speaker 2>large economic stake in the country, they would become committed

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 2>to defending that independence. Basically, if we make it, if

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Great Britain feels like we're an important part of their

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 2>security and economic apparatus, they won't let us get taken

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>over by the Russians right now. The Russians, meanwhile, are

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>stoking unrest within Persia, often by bribing or otherwise encouraging

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Shia clergy to preach against foreign involvement, basically to be like, hey,

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 2>these Brits are taken over your country, guys, and they're heathens,

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, Like aren't you should be angrier about this?

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Why is the Shaw letting them get away with that?

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:51.119
<v Speaker 5>Right?

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>So, the Russians are operating a very effective propaganda. Like

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 2>it's propaganda, but it's also accurate. Great Britain is running

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 2>things in Persia that is pretty messed up. Now the

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Russians also want to run things in Persia. They're not

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>any like better people here, really, but like this is

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.640
<v Speaker 2>how they're choosing to kind of like it's actually kind

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>of similar to what Iran does in Iraq when the

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>US invades with Shia clergy and like Baghdad. Interestingly enough,

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 2>where they're they're realizing, like this group of people are

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>particularly unhappy with the foreign power that's occupying the territory.

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to like basically fund them to build

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>support for insurrections and like rebel movements within the country.

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we learn how to play the Great game.

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Learn playing the Great Game. Yeah, yeah right, Unfortunately, Yeah,

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 2>it's it's never been that great a game and always

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 2>gets a lot more people killed than anything else. So

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>these like Russian propaganda, like instruments and whatnot within Persia,

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 2>these attempts to stroke unrest within the clergy succeed in

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 2>getting the Shot to cancel a number of projects, including

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>a railway project that he'd taken on that was support

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 2>by British interests. However, they failed to stop a British

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 2>agent from creating the Imperial Bank of Persia. In fact,

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the Russians are so jealous of the British Imperial Bank

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 2>that they create a bank of their own in Persia,

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 2>subsidized by the Tsarist state, where the Imperial Bank was

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 2>actually a functional banking institution that you could trust. That

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 2>was the upside of it is the British do know

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>how to run a bank that doesn't like go bust

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 2>every ten seconds. The Russians are not as good about

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>running like a legitimate bank, and the Russian Bank of

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Persia its primary purpose is to bribe the Shah's top officials,

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's not a real bank for people to use,

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>it's a bank to issue loans to members of the governments.

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 2>That they do what the Tzar wants them to do.

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>So basically, what you've got here is great Britain's holding

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of the whole country hostage by running the bank

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that the people who have money use, and the Tzar

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>is influencing shit within the country by using the bank

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 2>that he's created to bribe government officials. So this is

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>what we've got going on here.

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 4>This is like where the sort of Archie being courted

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 4>by Betty I think and Veronica, where they're two people

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 4>are fighting for Iran is like nice. This is like

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 4>so far, yeah, not so bad, but I also know

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 4>that it just it gets worse and worse, So like

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 4>right now, it's almost kind of cute.

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna get worse than banks. Yeah, it's gonna get

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot worse than banks. So Russia's fortunes in the

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 2>area EBB and flow on a daily basis, and they

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 2>depended largely in the attitude of the reigning sha. For example,

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>in eighteen seventy nine, Naser al Din, who's the show

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>at the time, visited Czar Alexander the Second in Russia.

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Alexander the Second, intent on staging a good show for

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>his neighbor, ensured that the Shaw was wowed by a

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>mass presentation of Cossacks. The elite cavalry unit who had Cossacks.

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're also like an ethnic group, right, but

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>they primarily known as like a military unit or a

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>series of military units. They'd started out for a long time,

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>had been enemies of the Tsar, right like Cossacks had

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>fought the Tsars for a very there had been a

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>rebellion not all that long ago, and they had been

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>converted over time into the Tsar's red right hand. And

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk a little bit more about that.

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>But first, my red right hand these sponsors of our podcast,

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:33.440
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0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 2>an article and seeing in world news about the evolution

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 2>of the Cossacks within Russia. During the fourteenth, fifteenth, and

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 2>sixteenth centuries, the Cossacks fought for the Russian crown in

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 2>regional wars against the Russian people, garnering a reputation as

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the Tsar's henchmen. Acting on behalf of the Russian Empire,

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>the Cossacks carried out pagrams or massacres of the Jews

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>in nineteenth century Russia. The Cossacks go from these people

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 2>who were these like nomadic horse warriors and didn't want

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>to be governed to the government being like, but what

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>if we give you money in exchange for murdering anyone

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>who stands up against the czar? And the Cossacks eventually

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>are fine with this, right, and they do a lot

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 2>of there's a lot of genocide done by the Cossacks

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>on behalf of the Russian Empire in this period, right,

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Like these pegroms are very ugly. There's there's one that

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>kills something like a million people in the eighteen hundreds,

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 2>like seven hundred thousand or something like that. Pretty hideous stuff. Now,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>there had been a Cossack rebellion led by a dude

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>named Pugachev in the late eighteenth century, and in general,

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>any expert on Russian history would have told you that

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>a powerful, autonomous cadra of warriors with zero accountability sometimes

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>rebel against It's not always a good idea for the

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>government right to have like this group of warriors that

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>you can't really tell what to do. Yes, it seems

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 2>like idea, right, And the Cossacks had always been a

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>double edged sword, even for the czars. But Naser al Din,

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the Shah at the time sees all these Russian Cossacks

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, these guys look cool as hell. I

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>want some Cossacks. And so he founds his own Persian

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Cossack legion. This is kind of in the late eighteen

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 2>or the yeah, the late eighteen hundreds. He founds the

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Persian Cossack Brigade. I had not known there were Persian Cossacks.

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was just like a because like Cossacks

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>are like from like Ukraine is where a lot of

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 2>like Cossacks origidate from. So the fact that there's a

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Persian Cossack brigade is kind of wild.

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 4>We think we will take any concept and then we'll

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 4>take it to an extreme. That's sort of what we

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 4>do as a people culturally. If you've been to Los Angeles,

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 4>you'll see that.

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 4>But this Kajar dynasty, what's interesting about is I know

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 4>very little about it other than the way they are presented.

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 4>The narrative is that they were just an incompetent, ridiculous

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 4>group of like people who are only interested in, you know,

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.719
<v Speaker 4>pro creating and spent wasting money on things. And Naser

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 4>el Din is like the one name I recognize as

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 4>like the epitome of that that this is the most wasteful,

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 4>terrible Dinoshras saying something for all the other dynasties that

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 4>have been around and went on.

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>And it's important to note that they are this terrible

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 2>because they're all from the entire time this dynasty exists,

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 2>they're not. They're always puppets of two different competing powers, right,

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Like they're never like from the beginning, any of these

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 2>For one thing, anyone who might be a decent ruler

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>is not going to be allowed by the Russians or

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>the Brits to do fuck all, right, so they're going

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that guy never gets close to power

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 2>in the first place, because they're orchestrating who is in power,

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 2>and they're doing that based on their own interest, not

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>what's good for Persia and.

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 4>Not time and time again, this is the story. This

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 4>is how it's laid out from time time thereon.

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And obviously like these individual shaws and their officials

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 2>suck too. These are all really corrupt bad people. But

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 2>they're corrupt bad people who are being bribed by someone,

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 2>and that is completely dominating the course of politics in

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Persia during this period of time. And it's not entirely

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>on the regime, right, like these two foreign powers have

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot to do with it. So the Czar Alexander

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>the Second had had the Shaw over and impressed him

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 2>with these Cossacks because he wanted something like this to happen.

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>He wants Persia to have a Cossack brigade because the

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>point of having Cossacks is that they're supposed to directly

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 2>support the ruler, like these are your I've had a rebellion.

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I need someone to go in and massacre them. That's

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 2>why you have an elite group of horse guards like

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the Cossacks. And so the Shaw is buying these Cossacks

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>thinking like, shit, this will help me anytime there's unrest,

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll be able to have these guys just murder my enemies.

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>And Persia does in fact pay handsomely to equip, train,

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 2>and maintain a brigade. And this brigade is pretty much,

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of this period, the only effective military

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>unit Persia has, and it's led by Russian officers. Right,

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 2>the Russians are kind of subsidizing this effort, and they're

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>sending their own military officers who report directly to Russia's

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Minister of War So if you're Russia, what you've done

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 2>as soon as the sha Ah starts adopt this idea,

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>starts hiring Cossacks, You've ensured the Shaw's bodyguard unit basically

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>is in controlled by your guys. That's a big win

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 2>if you're Russia in this period, right.

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 4>No, I think this is it's so interesting to learn

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 4>about this. I'd heard about the Cossack Brigade and yeah,

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of the connection to the Polavi family.

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 5>But it's a big don't. Yes, I don't.

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't entirely understand, Like the constant. Is it like

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 4>the Hessian soldiers that were in America that came over

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 4>from Germany, Like they're kind of a mercenary force or

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 4>is it more of like a yes, but it's a

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.959
<v Speaker 4>formal like oh, what are the bad guys in Dune?

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 4>The member like the one, they're.

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 2>More like kind of more startokar. Well, the because Cossacks

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>are there is like kind of an ethnic group like

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>these are basically these start out as like tribal groups

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>of where Cossacks come from. Is you know how through

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>most of human history you have like your settled civilizations

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>and then these groups of like nomads on horses who

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 2>periodically take over everything. Right, Well, Cossacks are one of

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>those groups of people. They just happen to be around

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 2>at the time that the modern world comes into being,

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>and so they're those guys. But instead of like bows

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>and arrows, they've got like rifles and eventually machine guns.

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.959
<v Speaker 2>And as a general rule in this period of time,

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to brutalize a protest, you're going to

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 2>use guys on horseback, because horses are really good at

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 2>breaking up mobs. It's very scary to be charged by

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of guys with sabers on horseback. And that's

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the real the Russian Cossacks, that's what they do. These

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>are the guys you send in when these villagers are rebelling,

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 2>kill them, or we've decided we're going to ethnically cleanse

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>this area of this group of people, send in the Cossacks,

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>right and once the Shah gets his Cossacks, that's what

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be used for, is brutalizing peasants to

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 2>scare them away from doing disorder. Right now, they're not

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>much good for much else. They're supposed to be bodyguards

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 2>to In eighteen ninety six, Nasa is a assassinated while

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:03.839
<v Speaker 2>at a shrine, and his Cossack bodyguards failed to protect him.

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.399
<v Speaker 2>As a general rule, they're not great at that part

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of the job.

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 5>We don't protect, we hurt.

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, all it cuts tot. Was that a hit people?

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.360
<v Speaker 4>We're a more offensive thing, less defense.

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.919
<v Speaker 2>But once you've got these guys, you've got this unit

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>of powerful horse guards that are close to the Shah,

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>they're going to remain a powerful force in Persian politics,

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 2>which by the turn of the century, once the nineteen

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.879
<v Speaker 2>hundred start going, are in a chaotic place, to say

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 2>the least. Sharen Breysak describes the country during this time

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>as a playground of Russian and British spies. Tehran is

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 2>very much the way Berlin is going to be during

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the height of the Cold War. Right, It's this city

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>where all like spooks from all over the world are

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.919
<v Speaker 2>coming and executing plots as part of these different great

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 2>power games. And neither Russia or Great Britain trusted the

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>local state security forces as far as they could throw them,

0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>so they brought in their own troops to protect their

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 2>own agents in the country. The Russians brought in their

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 2>own Cossack guards right, or used Persian Cossack guards which

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 2>were led by Russians right, whereas British consuls in the

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:12.280
<v Speaker 2>country brought sapois in Bengal lancers from India to protect

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>their guys. At the start of the twentieth century, Russia

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>and England had reached an accord which Brysac writes was

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:23.280
<v Speaker 2>settled without informing, much less consulting the leaders of Persia.

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 2>They split the country up into three spheres of influence.

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 2>The British control southeast Persia, Russia runs the north, and

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the Southwest is like a neutral zone where they're both

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 2>allowed to do like certain things as long as they

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 2>don't like cross other certain lines. And again no one

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 2>asks anyone in the Persian government about this. They're not consulted.

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Their consent does not matter. Russia's chunk of Persia is

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 2>most valuable during this period of time. They seem to

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>get off better like the best of this treaty, right,

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 2>because they get the chunk of Persia with the largest cities,

0:38:56.680 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>including Tehran. But here's the thing. In nineteen oh one,

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>when this agreement gets kind of inked, neither power is

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 2>really interested in Persia's oil fields. There's not a lot

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 2>that's known about them. We'd only really figured out there

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 2>were oil deposits in southwest Persia in like eighteen ninety two.

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 2>That gets discovered thanks to the work of a French

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>archaeologist whose findings are brought to This French guy who's

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:24.880
<v Speaker 2>digging for evidence of earlier societies finds oil and he

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>his findings get sent on to the Commissioner General of Persia,

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>so an actual Persian government official, and this says a

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:33.840
<v Speaker 2>lot about who was bribing the Commissioner General of Persia.

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.320
<v Speaker 2>He goes straight to Sir Henry Drummond Wolf, who's a

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Conservative parliamentarian in London, and he says, hey, we found

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 2>oil in our country. I figured i'd go to London first,

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:47.479
<v Speaker 2>and Wolf introduces the Persian Commissioner to a guy named

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 2>William Knox D'Arcy. I assume he's an actual descendant of

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 2>mister Darcy from Pride and Prejudice.

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 5>Much less lovable.

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, he probably is, because William Knox Darcy is a

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 2>millionaire who's gotten rich speculating on gold in Australia. He

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:05.240
<v Speaker 2>sounds like that guy's kid or something.

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:08.439
<v Speaker 3>Still blows my mind. That mister Darcy's also Tom Loan

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 3>scams from Succession Blows by Subsession.

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't know that show.

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>But they're apparently doing a new Pride and Prejudice and

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 2>it looks like, I.

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 4>Know, women love mister Darcy, and I don't entirely understand.

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Why I love mister Darcy.

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>They love that scene where he like she brushes his

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:29.840
<v Speaker 2>hand and he like twitches like crazy, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 2>big scene. So William Darcy gets introduced to the Persian Commissioner,

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 2>and you know this guy loves speculating, so he decides

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 2>he's going to branch out in oil speculation as well.

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen oh one, he offers the rulers of Iran

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand British pounds and sixteen percent of annual profits

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>gained from exploding their oil reserves. This draws little initial

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 2>outrage within Persia, as regular people have a lot bigger

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>fish to fry, right, and nobody's thinking about oil as

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.880
<v Speaker 2>a huge industry. Yet it's nineteen oh one. The number

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 2>of people who have like used gasoline for anything is

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 2>very small. The vast majority it's horses are walking for

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:13.399
<v Speaker 2>most people, right, and trains are a thing obviously. So yeah,

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>you've got this guy Darcy who gets involved and he

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:19.919
<v Speaker 2>basically bribes the rulers of Iran with twenty pounds and

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 2>a chunk of annual profits to exploit as much oil

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.879
<v Speaker 2>as he can find there. And nobody cares because oil

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 2>is not worth all that much yet. In fact, Darcy

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>nearly bankrupts himself paying for the deal and trying to

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 2>build the infrastructure to start taking Persian oil to market

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 2>because there's nothing there. Nobody's been digging or ext like,

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 2>nobody's been drilling or anything. He has to do all

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>of that, like from the ground up. It's very costly

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and even a very rich dude like Darcy can't bankroll

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the project on his own, so he partners with a

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 2>company called Burma Oil, which is, despite the name, based

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>in Glasgow, and Burma Oil has the capital necessary to

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 2>make Darcy's rooms reality. So Darcy's now in business with

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 2>this Glasgow based company, starting to build oil wells and

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 2>whatnot and drill in Persia. And at the time, this

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 2>is one of a bunch of innumerable deals by which

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Persia's natural resources are being sold off for the benefit

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.760
<v Speaker 2>of foreigners. This is not just happening with oil. Everything

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 2>valuable in the country is being sold to Russia or Germany,

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 2>right like, that's the way it's working for everything. So

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 2>regular people in the country know they're being fleeced. They

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 2>are not unaware of that. There's actually a very because

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the press is starting to become an increasingly significant thing

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 2>in this period of time, and literacy is fairly high

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>in the cities. Regular people are very aware that they're

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 2>being robbed by both the British and the Russians, and

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 2>that their leaders are selling the country out for what

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>amounts to middling bribes. The current rulers the dynasty had

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 2>their origins in a tribe of Turkomen warriors who served

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>as the bulk of the Safavid military, and the Qajars

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 2>had a Russian branch, which, again, because these are Turkubin people,

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>this is all very compplicated ethnic stuff. But the ruling

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:08.879
<v Speaker 2>dynasty in Persia at the time are Turkomen, which means

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 2>they have Russian cousins who are nobility in the Russian Empire,

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 2>which means the Shahs of Persia are related to the Tsar,

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.760
<v Speaker 2>which endears them to the Tsar. Right, they're not directly

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 2>related to the Czar, but they're directly related to other

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:27.320
<v Speaker 2>royals within the Tsar's empire, right, and this so a

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 2>lot That's part of why a lot of people don't

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 2>trust them, right, is they're both stooges of the British,

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 2>and well, you don't you're not really like at least

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Persians feel like you're not really Persian.

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>You're more Russian. Unlike, you're much more aligned with the

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Russian government. So there's a lot of reasons why people

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 2>are getting increasingly pissed off at their rulers at this

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 2>period of time. They're selling off the entire country, and

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 2>they're doing it as if they're agents of other countries. Right,

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:55.479
<v Speaker 2>That's increasingly how this dynasty is seen. As shariir Kia

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 2>wrote in an article for the National Council of Resistance

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 2>on Iran or in CRI, the Quajar crisis, influenced by

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Russia and Britain, had led Iran the financial ruin and

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 2>a political crisis. They were weak against foreign influence and

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 2>oppressive of citizens. So by nineteen oh five people are sick.

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 2>They are fed up with this shitty ass dynasty and

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 2>the king is because Nasar had gotten assassinated, and his

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 2>successor by this point is aging and ill, and there's

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 2>enough unrest with elites in the capital that they form

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>a parliament. Right, there's this like national assembly formed in

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.399
<v Speaker 2>Persia called the Mazles, as the result of a lot

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 2>of work by a lot of different activists within the country,

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:41.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of differently very brave people who want the

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:43.879
<v Speaker 2>government that the people of the country deserve, that will

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>actually functionally govern and modernize the country and won't be

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:52.439
<v Speaker 2>taken advantage of as hideously as the Shas regime had.

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.879
<v Speaker 2>And the Mazles draft a constitution which was approved regretfully

0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>by the Shah right before he died, and the Shaws

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:01.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of in this position of like, if I don't

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 2>approve this, it's it's allow this bit of democracy or

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 2>have a rebellion, right, That's that's the dire situation he

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 2>sees himself in. So once this parliament gets going and

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.400
<v Speaker 2>starts passing a constitution, the Russians are like, well, we

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 2>can't have this. These guys aren't working for our best interests.

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:22.680
<v Speaker 2>They're working for their own best interest. That's not great.

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.239
<v Speaker 2>So they immediately set to work pushing their allies in

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.800
<v Speaker 2>the Shia clergy to sabotage this new experiment and functional

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 2>self governance. Historian Ruhola Ramazani writes that they quote destroyed

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:37.759
<v Speaker 2>the foundations of this new government twice in about four years. Right,

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 2>So the Majlis keep trying to install functional parliamentary governments,

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 2>and these clerics and other agents of the Russians that

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.600
<v Speaker 2>are working with in Persian society keep sabotaging these efforts

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 2>because they don't want this to happen.

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 4>And this is the same thing. This is the same

0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 4>thing that happens with the National Front later.

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 5>Yep.

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, same sort of dynamics they use to play against

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 4>the second more secular elements, the religious elements. They use

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.759
<v Speaker 4>them the same exact manner. God, Yes, in such an

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 4>easy playbook.

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:11.880
<v Speaker 2>It's always so, it's really frustrating when you lay it

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 2>all out like this. So in nineteen oh eight, Russian

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 2>interests install a new shaw on the throne Mohammad Ali Shah,

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and he celebrates his newfound power by imprisoning his own

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 2>prime minister, who had been semi democratically elected by the Mashli.

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Per Sheren Brysac's article with a loan underwritten by the

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Russian Bank and with his own crown jewels of security,

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the Shah hired rioters to storm the Mazle's. When the

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>assembly successfully resisted, the Russian Officered Persian Cossack brigade moved

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 2>rapidly to dissolve parliament and to impose martial law. The

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Cossacks shelled the parliament building, igniting a blaze that destroyed

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>its records and killed eight people. The Russian commander proclaimed

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:56.319
<v Speaker 2>himself military Governor of Tehran. That's fucking nuts. So the

0:46:56.560 --> 0:47:01.280
<v Speaker 2>new Shah hires rioters and the parliament fights off the rioters,

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 2>so they have to blow up the building with our

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:06.400
<v Speaker 2>It's fucking nuts. It's insane and obviously very sad.

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:10.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and the the Masli's. I mean, I don't know

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 4>if you know this, but like, so there are parliaments,

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 4>because I know that. I always thought they're like a

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.759
<v Speaker 4>senate or something, but I don't entirely understand they were

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 4>like the parliamentary force.

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 2>It's partly like I don't think any of these are

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>like quite perfect term, but it's like a national assembly

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 2>type deal, right, Like it's a semi democratic body basically.

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, okay, but doesn't translate perfectly to senators and

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 4>senate and that sort of thing.

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Not I mean, it's kind of its own like thing.

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Like I think the word literally means like like a

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 2>place to sit basically, and it comes out of tribal councils.

0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's like a it's a it's a type

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 2>of parliament basically, it's that's that's close enough for our purposes. Right,

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 2>So the Russians have massacred a bunch of people and

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 2>shelled the parliament building and installed Asian military commander as

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 2>governor of Tehran, and this is not popular. In fact,

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 2>it inspires a mass uprising. And this is one of

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 2>these beautiful moments where regular people in Tehran and in

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.919
<v Speaker 2>the areas outside of it are so fucking pissed off

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 2>at what the Russians have done that all of these different,

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 2>normally normally opposed political groups unite together in resistance of

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Russian domination. And there's this mass uprising that pushes the

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Cossack guards out of the capital, and Muhammad Ali Shah

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:34.080
<v Speaker 2>becomes one of the shortest reigned shaws in history. He

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 2>is not around much longer now because feudalism is a

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>really bad system at the best of times. He is

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:44.720
<v Speaker 2>succeeded by his son, Ahmed, when Ahmed is twelve years old.

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.919
<v Speaker 2>The reason why this is generally seen as good by

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the power that's backing this succession, the British, is that

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Ahmed is too young to rule on his own. That

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:57.919
<v Speaker 2>means he needs a regent, and the regent who gets

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:00.400
<v Speaker 2>picked to rule in his stead is a very close

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 2>friend of British Foreign Secretary Nathan Kurzon. So we have

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 2>gone from haha. The Russians took over and basically this

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.840
<v Speaker 2>mass movement forces them out of power and forces the

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 2>shot to abdicate. But then the guy who takes over

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.880
<v Speaker 2>is a stooge for the British government again, right, it's this.

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>They can't get out of this, you know.

0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:25.920
<v Speaker 4>And in the movie, the regent is played by Ben Kingsley.

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly who plays that that character. He's half Indian,

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 4>half white to my understanding, and he has played an

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Iranian in like four movies and.

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:39.760
<v Speaker 5>They're never good.

0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:42.480
<v Speaker 4>They're never good characters, never No.

0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:48.240
<v Speaker 2>So what you've got now is a fucking regent who's

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 2>running things in Tehran and everybody's tired because they've just

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 2>thrown the Russians out and the British are kind of

0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 2>come in as the winners, and this this round of

0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 2>blows in the Great Game and shit like this. The

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:02.280
<v Speaker 2>fact that Great Britain kind of sits back while Russia

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.440
<v Speaker 2>commits a bunch of horrible war crimes and then winds

0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:06.799
<v Speaker 2>up in charge is why England. Part of why they

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.799
<v Speaker 2>get their reputation being perfidious Albion is everyone's like, how

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the fuck did you wind up winning? Wait a second,

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 2>like we were fighting them, how are how did you win?

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 5>What the fuck?

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:16.520
<v Speaker 4>Like?

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.880
<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's that's the way the British place stuff

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 2>per time.

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Now, one reason why you had this popular uprising against

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 2>the Russians and why like the Mazles are able to

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:31.840
<v Speaker 2>gain and maintain a degree of power is that regular

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Persians are fairly well informed about what's happening in their

0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:38.160
<v Speaker 2>country or starting to be in this period, because especially

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 2>once the Majlis come like into power, Persia has a

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 2>shockingly free press. During this whole period of time, from

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 2>like the about this point in the story forward up

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:51.680
<v Speaker 2>until we get the last dynasty of Shaws, there's like

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:57.320
<v Speaker 2>a really vibrant media ecosystem, particularly in Tehran. The first

0:50:57.360 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Mazles had put an end to the stifling controlled the

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>erastocracy had exerted on media, and so even when the

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Persian people lacked the power to stop Great Britain or

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Russian from doing something, they at least knew that they

0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.320
<v Speaker 2>were being fucked right. That's an important dimension of the

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:12.720
<v Speaker 2>story is that people are not in the dark because

0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 2>there's a pretty good media at the time, which I

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 2>was also unaware of. So folks are especially aware of

0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the rampant corruption within the Shaws Court. Public opinion of

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 2>it is so negative that the regent's foreign minister sends

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 2>men out to find him a disinterested American expert to

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 2>come to Tehran and fix the Persian economy. Now, that

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:36.160
<v Speaker 2>fact alone should give you an idea of the very

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.319
<v Speaker 2>different regard Americans were held in during this time. That

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:43.560
<v Speaker 2>like foreigners who are meddling in still other foreign countries

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 2>economic system are like, we need someone reliable, trustworthy and

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 2>unbiased to fix this economy. Let's find it American. The

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 2>fact that that's the way things work back then is crazy.

0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.440
<v Speaker 4>It is wild, But I will say, you know, until

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 4>the whole nineteen fifty three coup, like the there was

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 4>a real there was and then afterwards, you know, if

0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 4>you talk to your rank and file Iranian now they

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:13.799
<v Speaker 4>do and they have for many years now loved Americans.

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 4>But before this they used to have a lot of

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.239
<v Speaker 4>contempt for the British. They used to have a lot

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 4>contemp for the Russians, and they used to always sort

0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 4>of know that they are meddling. But there was like

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:27.760
<v Speaker 4>a real warm spot for Americans because of the Americans

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:29.760
<v Speaker 4>that would come over and help them with the finance stuff.

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:33.839
<v Speaker 4>Mcluskey Afrigat's name, But like there's a there's a few, yeah, yeah.

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:36.760
<v Speaker 4>So then there was a real like, you know, warmth.

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:39.879
<v Speaker 2>And this guy, this guy isn't bad at his job.

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think. His name is W. Morgan Schuster. He's

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>a middle aged lawyer who had worked and he'd been

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 2>like a customs guy after the US had taken Cuba

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.840
<v Speaker 2>from the Spanish, and he basically rebuilt the tax system

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 2>for the Philippines after the United States took over the Philippines. H.

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Schuster is the first American that I'm aware of who

0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 2>has a significant political impact in the Persian government, and

0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>his experience couldn't have been more different. From the Americans

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 2>who would follow. For one thing, Shuster seems to have

0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:08.920
<v Speaker 2>been genuinely welcome and desired by many Persians because the

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 2>economy is completely fucked up right, and he's as popular

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 2>with like the local people as much as he is

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:18.839
<v Speaker 2>hated by European expats living in Tehran, who rightly see

0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:22.080
<v Speaker 2>his crusade for financial solvency as something that's going to

0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 2>cut into their graft. Because Shuster actually wants the Iranian

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:28.200
<v Speaker 2>people to have a functional economy, and when he realizes

0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they're being robbed blind, he's pissed about it. He's like, well,

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>they're never going to have like you're never going to

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:36.840
<v Speaker 2>have a happy country with a good economy if you

0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 2>rob them blind like this. If the goal is for

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the like the Persia to be a functional country, you're

0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:46.359
<v Speaker 2>screwing them. In nineteen eleven, Shuster, who's now the Treasury Secretary,

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:49.959
<v Speaker 2>sparks outrage with the Russians when he confiscates the home

0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:52.920
<v Speaker 2>of the former Shaw's brother, who was a Russian citizen.

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Shuster was in the right by any rational observation. The

0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.280
<v Speaker 2>exiled Shaw's brother had not been paying taxes for years,

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.680
<v Speaker 2>but the British and the Russians file formal complaints against

0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 2>this guy with the Mazles, who ignore the complaint to

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 2>their peril. The Czar sends his army in and he

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 2>shells Tehran, killing many pro independence liberals and clergy members.

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:17.280
<v Speaker 2>They shell the capital and kill a bunch of people

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 2>because this guy Shuster takes one dude's house for not

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:25.320
<v Speaker 2>paying taxes. The Russian army also shlls Shia holy sites

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.759
<v Speaker 2>as the British look on but avoid direct intervention themselves.

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 2>On Christmas Day nineteen eleven, Shuster is forced to leave Persia.

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:35.200
<v Speaker 2>He goes back to the United States and he writes

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:38.040
<v Speaker 2>a book called The Strangling of Persia, which is all

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:41.040
<v Speaker 2>about how European powers are robbing the country blind and

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:44.160
<v Speaker 2>murdering any chance of it having a functional government. Like he's,

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:46.360
<v Speaker 2>as far as I can tell, he seems to genuinely

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:49.080
<v Speaker 2>be like offended on behalf of the Persian people.

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and there are I mean, in this whole story

0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 4>of all these terrible people, Like it's there's not a

0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 4>lot of heroes, but there were a couple on the

0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:00.480
<v Speaker 4>end they were I mean nice guys. Yeah, yeah, there

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.640
<v Speaker 4>was a couple yeah, yeah, right at the end of

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 4>the day, most of them couldn't affect things in a

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 4>positive way. But there were a couple of Americans that

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 4>did try to do the right thing.

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.080
<v Speaker 2>They tried to do the right thing, like the Spike

0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Lee movie. And you know what else is like a

0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Spike Lee movie.

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 4>It's these It's probably and you know, I'm a good

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 4>test taker. I learned that in medical school. Probably the

0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:28.400
<v Speaker 4>ads and services that are going to be presented in

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:39.800
<v Speaker 4>these commercials bingo manga and we're back.

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So while all this is going on, and while Persia

0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 2>is both finding itself split between British and Russian influence

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 2>and fighting for its own autonomy, a boy was born

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:53.760
<v Speaker 2>and starts growing into a man. His name was Reza

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Khan Mirpanji, and he came into the world on March fifteenth,

0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:00.960
<v Speaker 2>eighteen seventy eight, in a town called Alasht in the

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:05.359
<v Speaker 2>province of Mazandaran. His father, Abbasali, was a Persian man

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:09.200
<v Speaker 2>and a major in the army. His mother, nush Afarin,

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 2>had immigrated from either Georgia or part of Armenia. Both

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:14.920
<v Speaker 2>were owned by the Russian Empire at that point, but

0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:19.759
<v Speaker 2>she's Caucasian like literally from the Caucuses region. We don't

0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.240
<v Speaker 2>know exactly where she's from, because paperwork is in anybody's

0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:25.440
<v Speaker 2>strong suit. But Reza from the beginning is like an

0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 2>example of how mixed Persia is at this point in time. Right,

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.080
<v Speaker 2>he is himself mixed, and that's interesting because he is

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 2>not going to govern in that way. Res's dad is

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:36.720
<v Speaker 2>a war hero, but he's the kind of war hero

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:40.399
<v Speaker 2>who dies when his son is eight months old. After this,

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Nush moves the family to Tehran to live with her brother.

0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.360
<v Speaker 2>When she remarries in eighteen seventy nine, Res is a

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 2>year old and she abandons him to start a new

0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:51.680
<v Speaker 2>family and leaves her firstborn son in the care of

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 2>her uncle. This is not a wildly uncommon thing for

0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people to do at the time all

0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.880
<v Speaker 2>over the world. I've read a bunch of stories like this,

0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:03.040
<v Speaker 2>but it is pretty fucked up, right. She's basically like,

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I gotta try with a new family kid. Sorry, here's

0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 2>an uncle you know, hopefully he'll take care of you.

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:09.799
<v Speaker 4>Explains a lot.

0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my goodness, it's not great.

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:12.960
<v Speaker 5>Now.

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:15.759
<v Speaker 2>From what little detail we get about his early life,

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 2>we can conclude that Resa's family saw him as an

0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:21.480
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to increase their fortunes in little else. In eighteen

0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 2>eighty two, his uncle sent him off to live with

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:26.240
<v Speaker 2>a family friend who was a rare Persian officer in

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 2>the Cossack Brigade. This helped him get entrance to the

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Cossack Brigade when he's well, not an adult. It's unclear

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:37.080
<v Speaker 2>exactly how old Resa is when he joins the military.

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I've heard both fourteen and sixteen, and either is really plausible.

0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 2>You can get a hint of why by looking at

0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 2>this nineteen oh nine photo of a unit from the

0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:51.920
<v Speaker 2>brigade and look at the differing ages of those soldiers,

0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:56.840
<v Speaker 2>because one of those things much that is clearly in

0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.479
<v Speaker 2>like their fifties, and there's like a nine year old

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:03.240
<v Speaker 2>people who look like kids.

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:05.440
<v Speaker 5>Straight up. Boy.

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:08.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that seems to have medals, which is pretty cool.

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 4>There's a story there.

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:10.360
<v Speaker 5>I'd like to hear.

0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Nine year old kills has killed a lot of men.

0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:14.720
<v Speaker 5>He's seen some things.

0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 2>He's a hard nine. So Rezzo was illiterate as a

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.440
<v Speaker 2>young man. He had basically no formal education, and his

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.200
<v Speaker 2>first job in the Cossacks was as a stable boy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was, however, tall and handsome and extremely charismatic. He

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<v Speaker 2>is very good at making the right friends, which assures

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<v Speaker 2>that he eventually rises to have a cushy job guarding

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<v Speaker 2>the Dutch console General. He does fight in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of wars. He's a good soldier. He's particularly good with

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<v Speaker 2>the machine gun, and he becomes like his unit's machine gunner.

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<v Speaker 2>They call him machine gun Reza. That's his nickname, which

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 5>Tang clan, so right right.

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<v Speaker 2>He rose rapidly through the ranks, and by the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>teens he's one of the highest dranking officers in the

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<v Speaker 2>Cossack Brigade.

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<v Speaker 5>Shari A.

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<v Speaker 2>Kiah writes that he was also quote known for his

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<v Speaker 2>role as a leader of religious bands and as a

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<v Speaker 2>community enforcer in religious ceremonies. In her article, Sharen Brysac

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<v Speaker 2>ads he earned a reputation of being a fireman, someone

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<v Speaker 2>who was sent to quell disturbances or round up thieves.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically, this guy's kind of stupid, but he's well

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<v Speaker 2>liked by his peers, which are the most functional military

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<v Speaker 2>unit in the country. And he's also he's also kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like known as being a religious hardliner, like he's

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<v Speaker 2>in very good with the clerics. He spends a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time like making sure other people are doing the

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<v Speaker 2>things they're supposed to do, like religiously in his community,

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<v Speaker 2>so that the clerics like him, and he just generally

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<v Speaker 2>he's the guy who if people are breaking the rules,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll kick their asses. Like that's that's who this heavy is,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the reputation. He's the heavy, right, he's the

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<v Speaker 2>tough that you send in r So basically he was

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<v Speaker 2>cooked up in a lab to become a we Western

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<v Speaker 2>back dictator. Right, all that was needed was the proper impetus.

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<v Speaker 2>And this brings us back to William Darcy and the

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<v Speaker 2>question of Iran's fast oil reserves. Anglo Persian oil. The

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<v Speaker 2>company Darcy eventually establishes enjoyed a monopoly on Persian crude

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<v Speaker 2>oil for years, but it's not until nineteen fourteen that

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<v Speaker 2>the world gets a good look at just how big

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<v Speaker 2>a deal this is going to be, because in the

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<v Speaker 2>lead up to World War One, Great Britain is hungry

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<v Speaker 2>for any advantage they can get over the rising power

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<v Speaker 2>of Imperial Germany. I talked about that at the start

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<v Speaker 2>of the episode. Right, Germany's building a fleet that can

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<v Speaker 2>compete with the British Royal Navy, and so Great Britain

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<v Speaker 2>needs an advantage. This enters into the picture Admiral Sir

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<v Speaker 2>John Fisher. He was described by the press and in

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<v Speaker 2>his time as Britain's primary naval oil maniac. This means

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<v Speaker 2>he was the first admiral with power in Britain to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, we should switch to oil from coal. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good idea to become an oil based navy.

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<v Speaker 2>There's benefits to doing this, right. Your ships can go

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<v Speaker 2>further on oil than they can on coal without needing

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<v Speaker 2>to refuel. They can go faster. There's a number of

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<v Speaker 2>like logistical benefits to eventually doing this, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>hideous cost. When you're thinking of the whole moving the

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<v Speaker 2>whole navy over, you're spending a shitload of money. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of oil exploitation yet right either,

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<v Speaker 2>So Great Britain doesn't necessarily have it on oil to exploit.

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<v Speaker 2>Darcy seeks out and befriends the admiral in nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 2>three at a Bohemian spa where Fisher engaged in his

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<v Speaker 2>main pleasure outside of being an oil maniac, which was dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>So Darcy basically is that something or is it legitimately dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's just a dancer, and I think Darcy

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<v Speaker 2>befriends him dancing at this spa saw and they've begun buddies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>straight buddies.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure I've been to a lot of spas. Don't

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<v Speaker 3>remember or anything about dancing, just saying.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of dancing at spas. They were different back then.

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<v Speaker 4>So let's be real. That sounds pretty fun, like a

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<v Speaker 4>spa where you just like relax in the hot tub,

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<v Speaker 4>dance a dance.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what dirty dancing is pretty much about.

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<v Speaker 5>Right. It's a dance spot, it's a dance spot.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a dirty dancing scenario, right, that's very integral

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<v Speaker 2>to this story.

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<v Speaker 3>And he had the time of his life, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>At the time of his life, and Darcy's this is

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<v Speaker 4>Darcy And I'm sorry, who's a person again that he

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<v Speaker 4>is recording.

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<v Speaker 3>His Admiral Fisher.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Admiral Fisher, Admiral Fisher, the oil maniac.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And in nineteen oh four, after he and Darcy become friends,

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<v Speaker 2>Fisher becomes the first Sea Lord, which is a real

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<v Speaker 2>job in the British military.

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<v Speaker 5>Higher oil maniac to sea lord. That's not bad, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the first sea lord. That's crazy. I thought was

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<v Speaker 2>a job for aquaman.

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<v Speaker 3>But okayaking l Ron Hubbard, it's the commander.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Fisher keeps on talking up this idea, and by

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eleven or so, Winston Churchill has come around and

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<v Speaker 2>Churchill is like, we need to switch the navy over

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<v Speaker 2>to oil, right, And so Darcy has by nineteen eleven

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<v Speaker 2>successfully gotten this idea that primarily financially benefits him because

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<v Speaker 2>he bought access to all of Persia's oil into the

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<v Speaker 2>halls of British power. In nineteen fourteen, the House of

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<v Speaker 2>Commons supports a proposal to switch the Navy over to oil.

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<v Speaker 2>Per an article in The Fair Observer, the goal was

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<v Speaker 2>to ensure energy security for Great Britain, where the Royal

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<v Speaker 2>Navy switched from coal to oil to compete against the

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<v Speaker 2>fast rising German navy. After World War One broke out,

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<v Speaker 2>Persia remained neutral but supplied oil to Britain. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>Persian oil arguably led to Allied victory. The conversion of

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<v Speaker 2>the British fleet to oil gave them advantages over the

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<v Speaker 2>German fleet powered by a coal greater range and speed

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<v Speaker 2>and greater refueling and keeping with their imperial tradition, Britain

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<v Speaker 2>paid a pittance to Persia for oil. So that's fucked

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<v Speaker 2>It plays a role in their victory. I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 2>it led to it because but it's certainly not an

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<v Speaker 2>insignificant factor in the efficacy of the British fleet. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they've switched over to oil and again Great

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<v Speaker 2>Britain is fucking Persia. They're bribing the Shaw. The Persian

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<v Speaker 2>people are getting very little for their resources.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, something real the pattern that will play out many

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<v Speaker 4>for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fucked up, but the real fuckery is still

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<v Speaker 2>to come. During the war World War one, Persian territory

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<v Speaker 2>is a battleground between Ottoman forces and Russian and British forces, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and Russian and British are on the same side this time,

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<v Speaker 2>so they go from competing to being on the same side.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're fighting the Ottomans in parts of Persia right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The realities of the war massively disrupt agriculture in Persia

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<v Speaker 2>because farmers are constantating dudes fight over their fields and

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<v Speaker 2>shell them so they can't grow as much food. And

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<v Speaker 2>also all of you have three different armies in the area.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not growing their own food, they're confiscating it from

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<v Speaker 2>the people who live there to feed their own soldiers.

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<v Speaker 2>So people in Persia start to starve in huge numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>as Zara at A Latti and Majide Imani write in

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<v Speaker 2>an article for Third World Quarterly. Ain Old Sultana, a

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<v Speaker 2>well known o An Iranian chronicler, wrote in a newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>entry of nineteenth April nineteen seventeen that famine and hunger

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<v Speaker 2>prevail in all parts of Iran. Muslims and people of

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<v Speaker 2>all faiths are dying and kum in the center of Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>Currently fifty die each day. In Hammadan, thirty thousand have

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<v Speaker 2>registered as destitute and this heart renting description. He further

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<v Speaker 2>stated that people in Tehron were taking sheep's blood from

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<v Speaker 2>the slaughterhouse to feed themselves in their children. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>several Iranian newspaper reports in nineteen seventeen to nineteen nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>highlighted the occupying forces attempts to seize food and grains

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<v Speaker 2>and block people's access to food. So no one really

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<v Speaker 2>debates that what happens next is a human engineered or

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<v Speaker 2>at least a human influenced famine. Right, is this intentional

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<v Speaker 2>or is this just a byproduct of armies being armies? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's debate over that, but it's caused by the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that these foreign forces are in the country right now.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a huge debate as to who is more

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<v Speaker 2>at fault. Given the similarities between the Great Persian Famine

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<v Speaker 2>and the Bengal Famine of nineteen forty three, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people understand and blame the British From that same

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<v Speaker 2>paper quote highlighting the role of the occupying powers and

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Persian Famine, Some scholars have pointed to the

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<v Speaker 2>issue of oil capitalism during the twentieth century the financial

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<v Speaker 2>policies adopted by Britain, For instance, their refusal to pay

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<v Speaker 2>oil revenues to Iran in the middle of the Great

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<v Speaker 2>Persian Famine indicates their lack of concern for ron starving people.

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<v Speaker 2>For the occupying powers, Iran was mainly a strategic military asset.

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<v Speaker 2>The dominant consequence was a lack of access to food

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<v Speaker 2>among large parts of the population and what a Martsian

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<v Speaker 2>called entitlement failure. Thus, besides natural factors, pandemics, sociohistorical context,

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<v Speaker 2>and the incapability of the central government. The Great Persian

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<v Speaker 2>Famine was also caused by the occupying forces that pursued

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<v Speaker 2>the war at the expense of the lives of many Iranians.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of people involved in this catastrophe again,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as some stuff that is just happening at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. There's disease which is still related to the war,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's some environmental concerns. It's important I emphasized that

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<v Speaker 2>the Russians are also hugely involved here too. At the

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<v Speaker 2>early stages of the Russian Civil War. Once that kicks off,

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<v Speaker 2>various Russian forces start seizing like housing materials, roofing and

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<v Speaker 2>firewood and other basic supplies for their bases. And these

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<v Speaker 2>are things that thousands of Persians need to keep their

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<v Speaker 2>homes habitable. And like one hundred thousand Persians are made

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<v Speaker 2>effectively homeless just by this. Ten thousand villages are abandoned,

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<v Speaker 2>largely because Russian forces are seizing everything that makes them habitable.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten thousand villages abandoned.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just I've never heard. I'm sure there's a listener

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<v Speaker 4>right now, some auntie who's going to be yelling at

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<v Speaker 4>me right now because I didn't know this, But I

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<v Speaker 4>never I never knew about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait till you hear the scale of this disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>So British diplomat Herold Dickolson wrote, quote, Persia had been

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to violations and suffering not endured by any other

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<v Speaker 2>neutral country and World War One, and it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>argue with that point. Eight to ten million people, roughly

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<v Speaker 2>half the pre war population of Persia perish in the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Persian Famine.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>About forty percent of the pre war population die over

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<v Speaker 2>the course of like World War One up to like

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>As a result of all this, Hey, guys, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to let you know, the Great Persian Famine is

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<v Speaker 2>vastly understudied, and there's a wide range of scholarly disagreement

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<v Speaker 2>over the death toll. At the time and for a

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<v Speaker 2>very long time, contemporary reporting suggested two to two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half million dead was a very reasonable, you know range,

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also scholars who are arguing with that more

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<v Speaker 2>like eight to ten million is very likely. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a kind of thing where because of sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the paucity of the scholarship on this at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel comfortable saying like one is definitely right.

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<v Speaker 2>I do kind of tend just on other because of

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<v Speaker 2>other famines i've read about, to lean towards the larger numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't really know perfectly. I did not realize

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<v Speaker 2>the scale of this. We don't talk about this because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very complicated famine. It's not as simple as

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<v Speaker 2>just Russia or Great Britain starved iron. There were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of factors, including some environmental ones and aspects of

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<v Speaker 2>local government. But like Russia and Great Britain and the

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<v Speaker 2>Ottomans play huge role in why eight to ten million,

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<v Speaker 2>half a fucking Persian nearly starves to death and nobody

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<v Speaker 2>talks about it anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to say, I really appreciate this is a

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<v Speaker 4>total This is the kind of thing I'm supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>say at the end when we're off air. But I

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<v Speaker 4>really appreciate how you synthesize all this information. This is

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<v Speaker 4>not easy.

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<v Speaker 5>There's so many.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've left stuff out, and obviously, like we're

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<v Speaker 2>only going up to like nineteen forty one, but like

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<v Speaker 2>this is like when we're we're looking at the hideous,

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<v Speaker 2>the heinous death toll of US actions already in Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also important to just like know like this is

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<v Speaker 2>the latest in a long string of of just like

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<v Speaker 2>the horrific human concept quinses to imperialists fucking around in

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<v Speaker 2>that part of the world. It's all bad stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>it is not until nineteen twenty one that Britain and

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<v Speaker 2>Russia fully withdraw their forces from Persia, given that the

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<v Speaker 2>Tsarisk or largely given that the Tsarisk government had collapsed

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<v Speaker 2>by this point, leading to civil war in Russia throughout

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<v Speaker 2>most of the worst of the famine. Educated Persians blame

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<v Speaker 2>the British for it, because they saw the British as

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<v Speaker 2>being the controlling power in their lives. And there's an element,

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<v Speaker 2>a sizeable degree to which this is fair. The British,

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<v Speaker 2>for their own part, are less concerned with Persia for

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<v Speaker 2>its own sake and more worried about something else, which

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Bolsheviks are now in charge of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Russia. They're fighting a civil war for control

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<v Speaker 2>of what had been the Russian Empire, and it sure

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<v Speaker 2>does look like Persia might become communists too, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to tee up Part two. Gom it well,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you feeling.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't wait. I want to hear it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, you'll hear it in the second. You'll hear it,

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<v Speaker 2>yes a minute, but first let's hear your pluggables.

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<v Speaker 4>So my podcast is called The House of Pod. It

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<v Speaker 4>is a medical science podcast. It is a look at

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<v Speaker 4>the world of science and health through an approachable manner.

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<v Speaker 5>We've tried to make.

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<v Speaker 4>Things as fun and as less scary, if if that's

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<v Speaker 4>a word that I can use. Them do a terrible

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<v Speaker 4>job explaining my show. You think after five years of

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<v Speaker 4>doing this, I'd be much better at it. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>But the show is actually fun. If you like this show,

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna like the podcast The House of Pod because

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<v Speaker 4>we also take a look at medical grifters, and we

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<v Speaker 4>look at all kinds of different medical malarchy that's out there,

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<v Speaker 4>try and present you the science in a way that

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<v Speaker 4>is I think honest and nuanced and clear. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think you will enjoy it. You should listen to it,

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<v Speaker 4>and you will hear some episodes with both of these

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<v Speaker 4>lovely people on that podcast, The House of Pod.

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<v Speaker 5>You can find it anywhere you find podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, excellent, Well, listen to the House of Pod.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, do something nice in your own house

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<v Speaker 2>or not. I don't control your life, neither do you?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably wall did any of us? Are we all just

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<v Speaker 2>flocks them floating through cosmic debris?

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