1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: And hear about the seat at the table, and if 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: you don't have one, then bring in a chair. As 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Shli Chislong once said, to get the table, I want 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: the walls to come off. 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: Laura Coates is CNN's chief Legal Analyst and anchor, a 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: former federal prosecutor and best selling author of Voice Million 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: streussed when the country faces its hardest questions. 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: I had people who are very difficult on They come 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: ready to fight, and you will not come on my 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: show and try to hide under a fake fight. 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: But before the primetime platform, there was a daughter watching 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: her father defy the eyes. 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: This is a person who aged out of foster care 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: and went on to start his own clinic in his 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: hometown because there wasn't one. 16 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: Together, they open up about perseverance, purpose and possibilities, and she. 17 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: Set up her own private office at an arabread at 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: a table until eventually someone said, you sound like you 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 3: know what you're talking about. Why don't you come on 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: twa show. 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: With a dose of laughter along the way, I the 22 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: youngest of three girls, and all of us have contributed 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: to his hair loss over the year. 24 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: Join House. Martin Luther King the Third, Andrea Waters King, 25 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: Mark Gilberger and Craig Gilberger for a transformative conversation about 26 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: the courage to live your convictions and finding your calling. 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: There are moments where I look back and said, do 28 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: you think you'd be different? 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 4: And where you complicit in the. 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 5: Welcome to My Legacy. Today's guest is Legal Powerhouse, a 31 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 5: voice that cuts through the noise with clarity and conviction, 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 5: the extraordinary Laura Coates. Laura, were truly honored to have 33 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 5: you with us here today. Fun for the Kings because 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 5: you've interviewed them many times. Now they get to ask 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 5: you the tough question. 36 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 6: Now the table's a turn. This is so exciting today. 37 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 4: I'm so excited to see them again. So thank you. 38 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,279 Speaker 5: Well, we're so grateful for you to be here at Laura. 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 5: And as you know, always on My Legacy, there's always 40 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 5: a plus one, someone who knows them well, someone who's 41 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 5: been with them on their journey, and in this case, 42 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 5: it's someone who knows you extremely well. Would you do 43 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 5: us the honor to introduce your father? 44 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I met this guy about what forty 45 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: five years ago and I was like, you know, I'm 46 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: gonna keep him around. 47 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: It's special. 48 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: This is my father, Doctor Norman Coates, and he is 49 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: someone that I not only look up to and respect 50 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: as a daughter, but I look to him for guidance 51 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: in all areas of life. And if he weren't my father, 52 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: I would seek him out for that same guidance because 53 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: I respect him that much, and he is such a 54 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: beautiful person and soul, and really he is my plus one. 55 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: But I know my father will tell you when it 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: comes to legacy. He is somebody who wants the joys 57 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: and the lessons to multiply throughout generations. And I, for 58 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: as much as I am his, he is my intergenerational wealth. 59 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 5: That is beautiful. 60 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 6: That's one of the best introductions I think we've ever had. 61 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 62 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Norman, we are so appreciative you to be 63 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 5: here today. We of course are grateful for the brilliant 64 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 5: mind that is Laura, And so we have to ask, 65 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 5: would you either share a story from her childhood when 66 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 5: you knew that she would evolve to be this extraordinary 67 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 5: individual that we all look to for wisdom and guidance, 68 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 5: or an incredibly embarrassing moment for childhood. Either one's good, 69 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 5: whichever one you want to start with. 70 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: But over to you, sir, I will have to recall, 71 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: and Laura's going to remember this very well. We lived 72 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 3: in Highland Village in Saint Paul, Minnesota, and it was winter, 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: and you know what winter's like in Minnesota. It was 74 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: probably twenty fifteen degrees something like that. And Laura was 75 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: sitting out on our front stoop and the neighbor came 76 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: by and said, hey, Lara, why are you sitting out 77 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: here in the winter, And Lara said, I'm doing my 78 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: father a favor. Really, your father told you to come 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: out here and sit, she said no, But I did 80 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: hear him say there's too many dog one women in 81 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: his house. So I decided to take myself out of 82 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: the equation. 83 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: We should we should probably mention I'm the youngest of 84 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: three girls and the daughter of a very strong woman, 85 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: and all of us have contributed to his hair loss 86 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: over the years. 87 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 7: And how did you produce three not only amazing ladies, 88 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 7: but three lawyers at that? 89 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: Oh that's easy. You know, if you have daughters, you 90 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: know that what you say to them is merely a sucgestion, 91 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: and and it gives them something to go against. So 92 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: what I did was say, please, don't be lawyers. So 93 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: of course they all decided to do that. That's the 94 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: true story though. 95 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm also uh, three three girls. I'm the oldest, 96 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 6: so yeah. 97 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: See, that's why we were Pindrian spirits and that when 98 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: we met. Although you know I have I proudly own. 99 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 4: The baby label. 100 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: I am somebody who goes to my list of the calls. 101 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: I talk to someone in my family every single day, 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: and I expect my cause to be answered by each 103 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 1: of them day for that very reason. But my eldest sister, Tracy, 104 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: she she's always thinking. My guy said, we had totally 105 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: different parents. 106 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. My youngest and I always talk about I 107 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 6: think we all we were disciplined different. I think by 108 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 6: the youngest the parents parents were tired. You like to 109 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 6: think it's because you're so dazzling, but I think the 110 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 6: parents were just like, Okay, were you tired? 111 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: I Dad, No, I just think it. I think you 112 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 3: just learn more. By the time you get to the 113 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: third one, you begin to see what's important and what 114 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: kinds of things you can just let go by the wayside. 115 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 6: Well, let's turn to you, Norman, because I know that 116 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 6: you've had such a tremendous life from foster care to 117 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 6: establishing your own dental practice, and it's truly a story 118 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 6: of resilience and perseverance in some ways. I think that 119 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 6: my generation, my and Laura's generation, we were kind of 120 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 6: that first generation right after the civil rights movements and 121 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 6: our parents, so you were, you know this a black 122 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 6: dentist in your town. My father was the first one 123 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 6: of the first black insurance men in the state of Florida. 124 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 4: And so. 125 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 6: How was that in the seventies when you, I know, 126 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 6: you've talked about how hard it was as a black 127 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 6: man to be trusted, you know, and in your profession 128 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 6: as a dentist, and you know some of the resistance 129 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 6: that you received. What would you like to share with 130 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 6: our audience about any of those lessons that you learned 131 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 6: along the way. 132 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: Oh wow. In terms of my experience in the seventies, 133 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: I went to high school in Boston right around the 134 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: time they were trying to integrate schools and using bussing, 135 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: and I think you may remember those times when they 136 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: were pulling black people off of buses and beating them 137 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: up and chasing them out of the school and chasing 138 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: them around the neighborhoods. And I actually went through some 139 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: of that I did not go to a Boston public 140 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: high school, but I went to a school that was 141 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: in the vicinity of South Boston. So I'll never forget 142 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: the time that my particular school WI wiscmpsin Academy was 143 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: on an island off the coast of South Boston, and 144 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: I got there late for the boat one night, and 145 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: a bunch of Southeast what we call them Southeast, a 146 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: bunch of South Boston kids came along and said, what 147 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: are you doing in our neighborhood. We ought to throw 148 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: you into the water. And being thrown in the water 149 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: in January would have been you know, it may have 150 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 3: killed me for all I know. But I was lucky 151 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: that one of my classmates came along and said, he's 152 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: a good one. And for the first time in my life, 153 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: I took that as a compliment. Thank you saving my life. 154 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: I am one of the good ones. So that's my 155 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: legacy from the seventies in terms of what it was 156 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: like to grow up. Then when I got out of school, 157 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: when I got out of college and out of demo school, 158 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: I did discover and I became a dentist. And to 159 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: your point about the question about how how did I 160 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: feel about people trusting me, or how did I make 161 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: people trust me? Well, you can't make people trust you, 162 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: but you do have But what you do understand is 163 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: that there's not a leeway for me, or for your father, 164 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: or for Laura, or for really anyone else who is 165 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: in a position of trying to make it. There's not 166 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: a leeway. You can't make mistakes. You're not judged the 167 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: same way. There are people who could have, I don't know, 168 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: have a poor chairside manner, or have feelings fall out 169 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: all the time, or hurt a patient, and yet they're 170 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: judged in a particular way. But if I made one error, 171 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: then I would be judged in a much harsher way. 172 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: And so you have to really toll the line. 173 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: Let's unpack that, because you know, it seems like a 174 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: through line for most people to say, Okay, I went 175 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: to college, and after college, I went to dental school, 176 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: then I opened up a practice. Well, every I think 177 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: person trying to make it, and particularly people have color 178 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: recognized the constant disruptions of that line. It is trying 179 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: to be in dental school and your classmates already have 180 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: you know, positions taking care where someone's going to apprentice 181 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: them right, dad, and they're going to grow up under 182 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: the wing of somebody who has a practice and a 183 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: patient list ready to hand off. There as a trust issue. 184 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: I never forget thinking about. You know. I used to 185 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: work for my father in his dental office before he 186 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: fired me. More than once, I was a talk. I 187 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: was constantly being fine, and he was like, could you 188 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: just and me the gloves. I'm like, yeah, but here's 189 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: the thing about episode of Golden Girls, the cosmme show, 190 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: and he's like, just okay, just pleably my office. But 191 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: working for him, I remember what would was like when 192 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: someone would come to his office and they would have 193 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: scheduled an appointment, and then they get to the office 194 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: and they realize that doctor Norman Coates is the name 195 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: that belongs to a black man. That there would be 196 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: a staff that he would go out of his way 197 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: to hire that looked like where he came from. He 198 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: wasn't somebody who you know, wanted the person he believed 199 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: in hiring character and training skill, and because he knew 200 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: what it was like for himself to try to figure 201 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: it out and figure out the way, and this is somebody, 202 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, he can't. He glosses over because he's humble. 203 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: But this is a person who aged out of foster 204 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: care and went on to start his own clinic in 205 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: his hometown of western Massachusetts because there wasn't one. You know, 206 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: there's a picture of my father in my office at 207 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: CNN where it's you know, him in his white lab 208 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: coat with his curtains and with the plaid ones behind 209 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: you dead the plaid ones, and he's so handsome with 210 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: the black beard and it's beautifully trimm before that was 211 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: the thing he was flying. 212 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 4: And I look at every single day when I'm at and. 213 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: I say, you know, the picture is what they're seeing, 214 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: but the person is who you have to remember. And 215 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: that's what I try to bring. I try to bring 216 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of Norman on CNN. I try to 217 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: bring a little bit of the stories of Norman and 218 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: all of us, because you know, I don't really I'm 219 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: not really as interested in the end result as I 220 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: am in the journey, because god, you guys, what it 221 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: takes to make it right. 222 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: Since this show is really about legacy, what I consider 223 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: my legacy isn't isn't really how successful I've been economically, 224 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: but really the number of people that have come into 225 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: my office and receive treatment when they couldn't afford to 226 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: get treatment. And also the people who are now who 227 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: now have careers because of what Lara just said, which 228 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: is I hired for character and then train them all 229 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: the time. And so there are a couple of people 230 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 3: who are now Dennis, and there's some people who are Hyjennis, 231 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: and there's a whole there's there's one woman who called 232 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: me a few years ago and said that she runs 233 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: the dental program at Boston City Hospital, and I just 234 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 3: thought it was I mean, that made me feel that 235 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: that's what makes me smile. 236 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 6: Laura, You've mentioned a few times too, making it like 237 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 6: you know, he's made, you know, making it, And I 238 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 6: keep and I reflect upon the Mary Tyler Moore Show 239 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 6: with that theme song. She's gonna make it after all. 240 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 6: So I have to ask you about this because I 241 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 6: heard that you watched the Mary Tyler Moore Show and 242 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 6: that it actually inspired you to pack up the family 243 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 6: and move from Massachusetts to Minnesota. 244 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 4: I just find myself fascinating. 245 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 6: I love that was it the hat at the end 246 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 6: that when she tossed it up? 247 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: That you know? 248 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 6: But but sincerely do you find that move? Was that 249 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 6: more from fearlessness or faith. 250 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you. I I'll start, Daddy can tell 251 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: how really I mean? I here's the daughter's perspective. Okay, 252 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: I remember it was it was nineteen eighty nine, and 253 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: I remember my parents saying that they were ready to 254 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: leave Worcester and they said, you know. 255 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 4: Where do you want to go next? 256 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: Well, let's turn on a television and whatever show is 257 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: on wherever that is based, that's where we'll go. No, 258 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: And I remember, I know it sounds crazy, but Mary 259 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: Callimore came on. Now, Mary Timemore was off and on 260 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: in my house all we loved that song, who can 261 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: turn the world on with her smile? To taken nothing 262 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: day and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile? 263 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: Right? 264 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: And I remember we moved later that year to Saint Paul, Minnesota. 265 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: We my parents had us go in front of the 266 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: house where of course there was the facade of where 267 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: she was reported to be from, and we had to 268 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: and we. 269 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: Sang that themes. 270 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: Well, it should have been my very first encounter with 271 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: law enforcement. 272 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 4: It was not. But that was when I thought my 273 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: parents saw. 274 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: Equal parts crazy and wonderful, because for me, it set 275 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: the rest of my life on a beautiful trajectory that 276 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: otherwise would not have would not have had I don't 277 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: think in the same way my family and it would 278 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: have been the same. But the place where I'm from, 279 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: I always say is Minnesota because that is home to 280 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: me and it gives me the feeling of throwing that 281 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: tam up in the air and taking a nothing day 282 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: and suddenly making it off teamworth while. 283 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: But Norman, for you, as the I call Norman by the. 284 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: Way, often times there's not a little girl on my 285 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: daddy Norman. But Norman, how how do you when you 286 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: look back at that? 287 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: How do you see it? How do you remember it? 288 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Solar was eight, So that's that is her perspective, 289 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: and a lot of what she said is absolutely true. However, 290 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: there was there really were some practical reasons that I 291 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: moved to Minnesota. The main one was a little Well. 292 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: First of all, I told I asked my wife if 293 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: she was willing to move there, and she said, absolutely not. 294 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 3: I think that's near Iowa, And so I said, it's 295 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: nowhere near Iowa. But I knew the Mary Tyler Moore 296 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: show very well, and so I put that on my list. Denver, 297 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: Seattle or Minneapolis. I looked up to see which flights 298 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: went to Minneapolis, because I, you know how easy it 299 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: would be to get out there and check it out. 300 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: My airport and Worcester actually flew a direct flight to Minneapolis, 301 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: So I got on that direct flight to Minneapolis. I 302 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: got there. I loved it, loved everything about it, and 303 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: that is the main reason. But the coach's family lore 304 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: is that what Lara just just said, and she remembers 305 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: that as an eight year old. But it was, you know, 306 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: a different you know, a different set of decision. It's 307 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: no more practical than what she described, but I'm just 308 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: saying it was just a little bit different. 309 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: Are you telling me I was in privy to all 310 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: the intimate conversations of your marriage? 311 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 4: How dare you. 312 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: That may happen when you were sitting out on the stoop. 313 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: Coming up the leap of faith that launched Laura's second act. 314 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: No title, no safety, NAT, just conviction, compassion and a 315 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: table at Panera Bread. 316 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 5: Now back to my legacy, Laura. 317 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 6: Another alliance that or connection that you and I have 318 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 6: is that you worked on hate crimes cases, and for 319 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 6: many years I worked for an organization that monitored hate 320 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 6: crimes and hate groups, the neo Nazi skinheads, and actually 321 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 6: helped communities go and organize, and so I know the 322 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 6: heaviness of that work. Is there one particular case that 323 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 6: still lives with you? 324 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 4: You know it was? 325 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: It was one I did not personally prosecute, but involved 326 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: interviewing Matthew Shepherd's family because it resonated in so many 327 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: ways of what was happening. The story of that young 328 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: man who was just brutally attacked in a way that 329 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: no one, no one should ever ever have dealt with, 330 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: everyone ever should have known, anyone ever should have have 331 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: thought about. And that of course also of James Byrd Junior, 332 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: who was dragged to his death to the point where 333 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: and I hate to be so graphic, but the truth 334 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: is necessary till he was decapitated practically and his skin 335 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: on his elbows revealed, I mean the bone under his 336 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: for his elbows revealed. Those two cases and that compiled 337 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: the act that has been so important. Really are the 338 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: kinds of stories that that stay with you anytime you 339 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: even investigate a matter, whether it's a voting case, whether 340 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: it's somebody perceiving something about you and deciding that you 341 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: are not worthy of the dignity of human life and 342 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: will be treated worse than we would allow for the 343 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: scariest and most rabbit of animals, that is the Those 344 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: are the stories that stuck with me and really drove me, 345 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: in part to feeling like if people could endure what 346 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: has happened to them to illustrate the hate that is 347 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: in this world, that I can be quote unquote inconvenienced 348 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: enough to hear the stories and advocate, I can be 349 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: I can cry about the story because I haven't had 350 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: the horror of experiencing it, and interviewing their family members 351 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: just solidifies that point. And so I know, I looked, 352 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: I look to you and the work that you have done, 353 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: and it is no small feat to quiet those voices 354 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, is it. I mean, 355 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: it's it's hard because when you have a child, because 356 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: then sadly, every story you've heard becomes your greatest fear 357 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: when they walk out of the door. And so I 358 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: salute you for the work that you have done, because 359 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: you know it takes a collective, all of us, to 360 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: to continue the work. And in spite of what's you know, 361 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: what's uncomfortable for people to hear well. 362 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 7: Laura, I just want to say thank you on behalf 363 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 7: of all of us for being that advocate. And Norman 364 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 7: to a question for you, as your daughter's going through 365 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 7: these high intense cases, and obviously she can't share all 366 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 7: the details with you, but how did you show up 367 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 7: for her during those moments? How did you support her, 368 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 7: how did you love her? And how did you give 369 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 7: her the advice to make that she could be her 370 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 7: best self during those very intense legal proceedings. 371 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, Laura and I are in touch 372 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 3: every day, and so I don't think there are many 373 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: days that have gone by and even this year that 374 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: we actually haven't talked. And sometimes it's more than once 375 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 3: a day when you're dealing with I suppose it's the 376 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: same with sons, but I only know daughters. So when 377 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 3: you're dealing with daughters, and I had to learn this 378 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 3: maybe the hard way, because someone so much of the time, 379 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: when they start to talk to you, you as a man, 380 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: you want to just give them the solution, like, Okay, 381 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: well that's the problem, here's what you should do, and 382 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 3: then they ignore what you say, and then they keep 383 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: on talking and then you say, okay, now I heard 384 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: that now now that I know the whole story, he 385 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: is exactly what you should do. And then they ignore that, 386 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: and then they keep on talking, and after a while 387 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: you realize that they don't really want to hear solutions. 388 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: What they want to do is keep on talking. They 389 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 3: want to let out whatever it is they're feeling. And 390 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: so I think the way I supported her to answer 391 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: your question is to listen, is to call to be 392 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: there physically when she needed me to be there physically, 393 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: and try to restrain myself from trying to say, well, 394 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: here's what you should do. But a better listener than 395 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 3: me is really her mother. I feel so sorry for 396 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: my wife because she's got three daughters who call her, 397 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 3: all of them call her every day. Sometimes I walk 398 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: into the room and my wife, I don't even realize 399 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: she's on the phone because I haven't heard her for 400 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: the last half hour, because she's just listening. And so 401 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: you know, that's that's the most and the best I 402 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: can tell you in terms of what we do to 403 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: support the daughters and Laura included, I. 404 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: Can tell you, yes, he is a listener, and he 405 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: does give guidance, and he. 406 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 4: Does offer the solutions. But I will say. 407 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: There is. 408 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: There are a few people in this world, and I 409 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: count myself as one of them who can honestly say 410 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: that there has not been a single moment of my 411 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: existence where I have ever felt alone. Like there is 412 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: a not a single moment. I don't mean you don't 413 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: have lonely moments, Oh, I wish other people are here, 414 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: but to know that you know there is there is 415 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: no wall that my back has ever had to had. 416 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 4: To be against. 417 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: I look to him and know not only how to 418 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: be a parent and a better mother, but also I 419 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: looked to the fact that he has been able to 420 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: use the experiences of a young man who did feel 421 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: alone to make sure that three daughters never did. Wow. Right, 422 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's something He really is remarkable in 423 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: the fact that he has always been unapologetic about letting 424 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: me see who he is, flaws and all. He was 425 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: not a father who thought, I want my children to 426 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: see me as a hero. He was a father who said, 427 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: I want you to see me as a man, as 428 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: a person, and as a collection of experiences. And by 429 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: just letting us see that, that's in part why he's 430 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: able to be quiet, because he's already illustrated what. 431 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 4: It took to be good. Thank you, Laura. I want 432 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: you to add me to the will. 433 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: I want you to add me above my sisters because. 434 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: I am really. 435 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 3: You can have everything I accumulated in life. That's fine, 436 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: you guys. I think it's about a dollar twenty five. 437 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 8: You know, Laura, your book Just Pursuit is both a 438 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 8: memoir and a call to action about the failures of 439 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 8: our justice system. What was the hardest truth that you 440 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 8: had to confront while writing it? 441 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: Oh, that I may have been complicit. There were more 442 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: moments that you know in life, you always think that 443 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: were me. I'm gonna tell you what I would do. 444 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: It wouldn't be me, couldn't be me. Here's I wish 445 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: somebody would, right. And then you are confronted with the 446 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: situation suddenly and now it is you, and the choice 447 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: is before you, and the choices you make might surprise you. 448 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: And I thought I was somebody who really from revering 449 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: the teachings of your own father, as we all have embraced. 450 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: And I really thought that I would be called that 451 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: that to task something that I thought was was wrong 452 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: but lawful, and do and do it anyway right. And 453 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: there was an instance in particular I write about in. 454 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 4: The book where. 455 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: I had to help turn it over somebody who had 456 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: a warrant for deportation, and in the times were in 457 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: now particular as they were then, who you think you'll 458 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: be in those moments and how you think he'd respond 459 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: might surprise you. 460 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 4: Now. I wasn't with bells on. 461 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: And I wasn't with a smile on my face. I 462 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: was fighting, I was trying, I was speaking in Spanish. 463 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: I was trying to get to his family. I was 464 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: trying to do what I thought was right for him, 465 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: balancing what was required of me by the US Attorney, 466 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: by my supervisors, by my bar license, by the judge. 467 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: And so there are moments where I look back and say, gosh, 468 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: did you think you'd be different? And were you complicit 469 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: in the wrongs that you see? So those are the 470 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: moments that had surprised me in writing and reflecting on that. 471 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I wrote that book as in part, 472 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 1: a letter to my children, because I really I was 473 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: pregnant for most of my time at that office with 474 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: my two children, and I wanted my children to know 475 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: what I was carrying while I was carrying them. And 476 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: part of that needs being confessional and wanting them to 477 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: understand what choices look like when you make them, and 478 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: how you feel when they're made, and what you do 479 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: to correct them. 480 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 9: Insightful if you're looking for stories that move you, insights 481 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 9: that shift you, in conversations that stay deeply within you. 482 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 9: Do us a favor, and do yourself a favor and 483 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 9: hit the subscribe button right now. Is the best way 484 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 9: to support this podcast and support your journey. 485 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 7: New episodes drop every week. 486 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 6: Now back to my Legacy, Laura. 487 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 7: In twenty sixteen, you made the leap from prosecuting cases 488 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 7: to analyzing them on national television. You covered everything from 489 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 7: Supreme Court decisions to high profile criminal cases. Wanted to 490 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 7: ask you, what do you think most Americans misunderstand about 491 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 7: the justice system and how do you play a role 492 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 7: to help bridge that gap. 493 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: It's not unlike being a trial attorney, frankly, when you 494 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: are presenting the information, but it's a jury of really 495 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: my peers, a jury of all of American peers, the 496 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: international community, and we are giving information and you can 497 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: decide what you'd like to do with it. But withholding 498 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: the information would be unethical, Manipulating the information would be unethical. 499 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 4: Trying to get a. 500 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: Desired result would be as bad as being oppressive. 501 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: So one thing that I that. 502 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: I hope to do is to demystify a lot of 503 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: what's happening in the spaces where we, as the average person, 504 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: have never been invited into. I mean, we hear about 505 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: the seat at the table, and if you don't have one, 506 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: then bring in a chair, as Shirley Chisholm once said, 507 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: But I really see it as you know, taking down 508 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: all the walls, forget the table. I want the walls 509 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: to come off and anyone in any walk of life 510 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: to be able to look upon what's happening with the 511 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: same level of access and opportunity to understand, form an opinion, 512 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: and act on it with their own power. That's what 513 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: I want. The platform is all of ours because the 514 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: only reason, only only way to really, like I say, 515 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: take away that elitism of information, because I think the 516 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: way the world works is they decide who gets to 517 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: be in the know, and then they become the generation 518 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: after generation after generation holders. 519 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: Of the quote unquote truth and the. 520 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: Power, and then the rest of the world is supposed 521 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: to just accept that this is the way will always be. 522 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: And I just can't do it. 523 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: And if that, if that requires me to be and 524 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: since it does honest about the stories I'm choosing deliberate 525 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: about the focus of the subject matter, but also requires 526 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: me to not be on a soapbox, which sometimes is 527 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: my tent. I want, you know, you want to tell 528 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: people what is what it is right, you want you 529 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: you want to. 530 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 4: Be able to have the uninterrupted speech. But journalism is 531 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 4: not for that. It really is. 532 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: And I have people who are very difficult on who 533 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: they come ready to fight because they think, Okay, all 534 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: I have to do is out talker and get combative, 535 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: and then she'll lose a train of thought. You know, 536 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: I invite you to speak because I want people to 537 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: actually know exactly what you believe and think. Because people 538 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: know that they can now know exact what they believe 539 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: and think about you, and they can make decisions with 540 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: their feet, with their ballots and beyond. And you will 541 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: not come on my show and try to hide under 542 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: a fake fight. 543 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 4: Good luck. Let's hear you, Let's hear. 544 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: From you, and then let us decide what we think normal. 545 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: Will you have you had your you had your finger 546 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: your hand raise. 547 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: Yes, I'd like to respond to something it hasn't been 548 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 3: asked because if someone were to ask me how I 549 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: can sum Laura up, I would I would have to 550 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 3: use words like compassion, empathy, heart, and perseverance. This these 551 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: are the qualities that she has always taken in whether 552 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: she worked in private practice or whether she worked at 553 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: the Justice Department. She could walk. She brought those things 554 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 3: in to her prosecution cases, and she no one would 555 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: no one would know that she may have cried before 556 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: she walked in there, and she may have cried when 557 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 3: she walked out of there. She is an extremely compassionate 558 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: and empathetic person and when she's even when she's doing 559 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: her her shows on CNN, the the guests that she chooses, 560 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 3: the topics that she chooses have to do with her 561 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: passion for human beings, for fairness and for justice, and 562 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: the questions and the way she asked the questions also 563 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: have to do with her innate compassion and love and 564 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: heart and the perseverance that when she left the Justice Department, 565 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: she didn't leave it to go to another job, to 566 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: another law firm, or to the other people who were 567 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: trying to recruit her. She decided she knew what she 568 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: wanted to do. I think Freddie Freddie Gray was in 569 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: the news at the time, and Laura went to the 570 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: Panera Bread and she set up her own private office 571 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: at Panera Bread at a table, and she went there 572 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: with her computer. She didn't have a job, she didn't 573 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 3: have a position, she didn't have somebody who was asking 574 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: her about her, but she went there with her computer. 575 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: She researched everything she could find about Freddie Gray and 576 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: what was going on with this case. And then she 577 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 3: would send notes or emails or whatever out to radio 578 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 3: stations and the mayor and Freddie Gray's lawyer and whoever, 579 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: until eventually someone said, you sound like you know what 580 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 3: you're talking about. Why don't you come on to our show? 581 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: And that's where it catapulted from there. So this is 582 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 3: a woman with perseverance, but also she what drives her 583 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: is compassion and empathy. 584 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 6: Thank you Daddy, and vision because from what I'm hearing 585 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 6: is that she created her own next career move from 586 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 6: being you know, and if I recall correctly, you were 587 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 6: pregnant as well, did you say you were pregnant. 588 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: I had your nurse children, Yes, I had two. I 589 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: had my children. My daughter hadn't even turned one. 590 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 3: Yet. 591 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I remember I left the Justice depart 592 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: my son that my kid be eighteen months apart, which 593 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: is probably the twelve and eleven. Now, wow, it's been. 594 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: It's been about ten years almost. And I remember my 595 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: last day of Justice Department. People laughed at me because. 596 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 4: They, you know, as my mom. 597 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: Was like, you're gonna lead your with the phrase your 598 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: good government job, which is the only phrase you can say, 599 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: work right, your good government job. But you know, sometimes 600 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: when you have a calling, it's not a conference call, right, 601 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: other people aren't on it. 602 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 4: A calling is not a conference call. 603 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 5: Beautiful phrase. 604 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: They may not get it. 605 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 4: It's just it's not a conference call. 606 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: And so I knew that I that I had to 607 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: try for the reasons that were deeply within me. But 608 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,959 Speaker 1: also I knew as a mom, one day my children 609 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: would come to me with a dream and they would 610 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: have maybe no clear vision of every tree through the forest. 611 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: But I could talk to then about having tried. And 612 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: I knew that was going to be part of it. 613 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: Because you know, I'm very dramatic, some would say too dramatic. 614 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: I made sure my last day of work was your 615 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: father's birthday, so I could say free at last. Okay, 616 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: I certainly did, and we and we did that. It 617 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: walked down and I thought, Okay, well, I don't now 618 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: now what, but I I'm gonna tell you something. There 619 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: will never be anything. I don't care what, what degree 620 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: I could attain. I don't care what accolade, I don't 621 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: care what happens at any point in my life. I 622 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: will forever be propelled to know that I can make 623 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: a difference just by having taken that first step to 624 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: say I don't know what's next, but I'm gonna walk anyway. 625 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: And and so really, I'm telling you a story of faith. 626 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling your story of like what that. 627 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 4: What that looks like? And they called a leap of faith. 628 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: But you know, we all, we all have to believe 629 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: that there is something within us that's worthy of sharing 630 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: and worthy of telling, and worthy of of making sure 631 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: other people have a have a voice. I still there's 632 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: not been a contract or a moment my dad that 633 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: I have had, or big moment where I don't require 634 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: the signing to take place in Panera bread. 635 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 3: Oh I love that. 636 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 6: And what you just said also reminds me of a 637 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 6: quote of my father in law when he talked about 638 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 6: the fact that you don't have to see. 639 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 5: The entire staircase. 640 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 6: Yes, you just have to take that first step. So 641 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 6: that's exactly that's exactly what you did. 642 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 8: Now for you, specifically as a lawyer who has work 643 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 8: to advance civil and human rights, how do you retain 644 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 8: hope in such a time that feels extraordinarily dark. One 645 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 8: of the big challenges is for people to always remain hopeful. 646 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 8: Is I think I even characterize it this way. How 647 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 8: do Dad would say, how do you hew out of 648 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 8: a mountain of despair a stone of hope? 649 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: Well, my hope is named Adrian and Sydney Michael. There 650 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: is giving up would be giving up on them and 651 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: their future, and I can't do that because I love. 652 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 4: Them too much. 653 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: I also really feel like optimism is not bubbly. Hope 654 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: is not like with a smile and dimples. To me, 655 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: hope is if you picture somebody with a hammer and 656 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: they are hitting against a stone wall because they got 657 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: to escape the circumstances therein I like to think to myself, 658 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 1: you're always one hammer stroke away from the other side. 659 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: That's optimism. That's hope. Hope is the effort. Hope is 660 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: willing your muscles, physical and mental to take another swing 661 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: because the next one might be the breakthrough. 662 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 4: So that's what I look at. 663 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: And you know that that's not glamorous, that's not pretty, 664 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: that's not sitting on a couch. That's not just the 665 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: power of the pen, that's not just the power of 666 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: the pulpit. That is power and grit and and that's 667 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: what hope looks like to me. And that's what hope 668 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: and optimism feels like to me. And every now and then, 669 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, you feel that you have it. You hit us, 670 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: you hit the wall just the right way, and what 671 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: happens a little bit of light, A little bit of 672 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: light escapes and the whole room is shining and you 673 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: look around and you say to yourself, I. 674 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 4: See where I am. Now what do I want to 675 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 4: do about it? Now? 676 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes those rocks come back and they fill in the 677 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: gaps and the darkness comes back. But I'm look, I'm 678 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: one I know I'm one stroke away from the light. 679 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: And that's what hope is for me. 680 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 3: Now, this reminds me absolutely of the time that Laura 681 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 3: was hosting Halle Berry at Princeton University and they said, Laura, 682 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 3: why don't you take a picture with halle Berry. Lara said, 683 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 3: there is no way I'm taking a picture next to 684 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 3: this woman. Now, I'm gonna come along with the giants. 685 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give I'm gonna give my answer next to 686 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 3: halle Berry sitting here in the other frame. But I'll 687 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 3: make it shorter and it will be a lot more 688 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 3: succinc and I'm sure it won't be as profound. But 689 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 3: I have hope. I have great, wonderful hope because I 690 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 3: am a student of history and not a prisoner of now, 691 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 3: and I know how far we have come since sixteen 692 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 3: or nine, and I know how far we have the 693 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 3: potential to go. And so what's happening right now is 694 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 3: just a minuscule second compared to that, and I know 695 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 3: we're going to go much further. In history is evidence 696 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 3: of that. 697 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 5: Laura, I'm so grateful you brought your dad on the 698 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 5: show because to allow all of our listeners and viewers 699 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 5: to know aging at a foster care establishing at a 700 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 5: time a great civil challenge, a business that you stood 701 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 5: proudly on, and Laura upon that foundation to be such 702 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 5: an advocate for justice, the idea that laws isn't what's 703 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 5: written on paper but it's sitting in that Panera bed 704 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 5: location that a calling is not a conference call, fighting 705 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 5: for what's right, refusing to accept inequity as inevitable, the 706 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 5: two of you living your values through generations and now 707 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 5: passing it to your children, Laura and the generations to follow, 708 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 5: and even frankly, creating a better America, a better world. 709 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 5: So on behalf of all of us. Such deep gratitude 710 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 5: to the two of you for sharing their stories with us, 711 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 5: for the laughter, for the wisdom, and most importantly, for, 712 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 5: as we say here, living your legacy. Thanks so much 713 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 5: for being with us here today. 714 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: That was so wonderful. You know, Dan, I'm going to 715 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: car you without crying. 716 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 4: So thank you. 717 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 6: And we see many more Panera bread celebrations in your future. 718 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: Yes, we stand on your shoulders, never in your shadow, 719 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: but beside you. 720 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 4: So thank you so much. 721 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, Thank you very much. 722 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. If you enjoyed today's conversation, subscribe, share, 723 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 2: and follow us on at my Legacy movement on social 724 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: media and YouTube. New episodes drop every Tuesday, with bonus 725 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 2: content every Thursday. 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