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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. West Shooler and Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: for the next two hours on your twenty four to

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Speaker 2: seven home of the Black and Gold. As we hit

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Speaker 2: that Wednesday Day, Matt, Wednesday Day, say that five times fast.

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Speaker 2: We hit the Wednesday Day where we uh start to

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Speaker 2: turn the page a little bit, do some more global stuff.

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Speaker 2: Our weekly pick a Player conversation that has become one

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Speaker 2: of my new favorite segments. Plenty for us to get

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Speaker 2: into and to dabble with today, but I wanted to

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Speaker 2: start with, UH make some pretty cool news for you

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Speaker 2: cool and that is that former Steelers defensive lineman the

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Speaker 2: Great L. C. Greenwood has been named one of nine

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Speaker 2: semi finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six in the Seniors category.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He was a tenth round pick of the Steelers in

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Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty nine NFL Draft out of Arkansas, A

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Speaker 2: M and N thirteen seasons for the Steelers, obviously a

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Speaker 2: huge part of the Steel Curtain and four Super Bowl Championships,

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Speaker 2: playing alongside me and Joe, Dwight White and Ernie Holmes,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I know stats were a little different

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Speaker 2: than that, exactly right, but he did. Even with that

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Speaker 2: being said, Matt, he still finished his career with seventy

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Speaker 2: three and a half sacks, two time first Team All Pro,

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Speaker 2: six time Pro bowler back when that really meant something.

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Speaker 2: Member of the Steelers All Time Team NFL nineteen seventies

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Speaker 2: All Decade Team, was of course part of that inaugural

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Speaker 2: steel of Steelers Hall of Honor class, that massive one

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Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen when they unveiled the Hall of Honor, Matt,

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Speaker 2: pretty cool. I One of the things you and I

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Speaker 2: have talked about this before, like when you talk to

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Speaker 2: the Bob Labriolas of the world, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they

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Speaker 2: will always tell you after me and Joe Green, it's

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Speaker 2: frank O Harris, right, Like that's one of those that

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Speaker 2: you ask the people that have been around for the

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Speaker 2: history of this organization and have really you know, devoted

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Speaker 2: themselves to it. That's one of the popular questions is

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Speaker 2: like who's on that Mount Rushmore, right, And they're always

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Speaker 2: like me and Joe first, Franco second, another thing that

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Speaker 2: if you ask, you know, people like Labs, who is

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Speaker 2: the number one most deserving Steeler who's not in the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame that should be okay, always Elsie Greenway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it comes up a lot. And you know, I've

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Speaker 3: had these conversations my uncle, my dad, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and people kind of taught me football way back when,

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Speaker 3: or you know, as a fan. And I'm older than

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Speaker 3: you obviously, so I was alive, you know, when these

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Speaker 3: things were happening, but barely. I mean, like I've said before,

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Speaker 3: like the first football game that I remember and really

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Speaker 3: understanding to some degree what was going on was the

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Speaker 3: Steelers went over the Rams in the super Bowl, the

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Speaker 3: fourth Super Bowl, watching every play and.

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Speaker 2: I told you mind the Super Bowl thirty against the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys that the Steelers lost.

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Speaker 3: So I understand the lore of l S and you

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Speaker 3: know how how important he was in that era to

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Speaker 3: some degree. But like if you ask my dad or

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Speaker 3: you know, certainly Labs would be the best person to

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Speaker 3: talk to about it. Yeah, I guess we definitely should

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Speaker 3: that Elsie was not as as important as anyone on

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Speaker 3: that team, because I mean there were bigger stars than him.

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Speaker 3: My goodness, I mean Ham Lambert, I mean, yeah, blunt

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Speaker 3: to me, there were easy Hall of Famers Green of course,

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Speaker 3: but he's right there behind that group of no brainer

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Speaker 3: Hall of famers, you know. So, Frank, this to me

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Speaker 3: is what exactly what the Veterans Committee is for. Completely agree, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's why it exists.

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Speaker 2: To appear in this seniors category. Now, you could have

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Speaker 2: last appeared in a professional football game in the year

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Speaker 2: two thousand, so it's twenty five years and it's obviously

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Speaker 2: been longer for LC and some of these other guys started. Matt,

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Speaker 2: here's the kind of exciting, encouraging part. Started with one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two nominees.

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Speaker 3: Now right right now it's down to nine, right right, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, so he has really made it to the you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean from from nearly two hundred games, from nearly

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Speaker 2: two hundred names to a single digit list.

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Speaker 3: It amazed me if they start with two hundred names, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean one hundred and eighty two, like right, that's nuts.

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Speaker 3: Like I think Gary Anderson is on that list.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you. I'll tell you here in a minute.

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Speaker 2: All of the Multiday are so nine people. The Seniors

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Speaker 2: committee as well. They will meet November twenty fifth, that's

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Speaker 2: next week, and vote to narrow this down to three.

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Speaker 2: So it will go from nine to three.

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Speaker 3: How things got whittled down for this one.

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Speaker 2: Neither did I, and that's kind of why I wanted

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Speaker 2: to talk through it with you here as well, just

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Speaker 2: as well TV. Those names, as well as the finalist

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Speaker 2: coach and contributor categories will be unveiled in early December.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I think they are even different voters.

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Speaker 2: I believe that that's what it sounds like, a separate committee.

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Speaker 3: I hope. And these are older human beings that do

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Speaker 2: Would think, so it shouldn't be a bunch of people

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you can read like anybody else and

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Speaker 3: watch their resumes or go to YouTube or whatever. But

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Speaker 3: at least to have been around in that era I

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Speaker 3: think goes a long way.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other eight names that will be battling with L. C.

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Speaker 2: Greenwood for Canton immortality. Ken Anderson. We actually talked about

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Speaker 3: He was so people don't know. The West Coast offense

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Speaker 3: started with Ken Anderson when Bill Walsh was the offense

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Speaker 2: And then he and then he goes to the West Coast.

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Speaker 3: It's really the Ohio River offense. I mean like it's

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Speaker 2: It's like we we talked about Chip Kelly a little

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Speaker 2: It actually happened at New Hampshire, you know, when he

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Speaker 3: Come out and he figured it and we're exposed to it.

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Speaker 2: Like Mike Leach gets a ton of credit for air

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Speaker 2: raid stuff. It was actually how mummy at b YU,

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Speaker 2: like you know how all that stuff works.

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Speaker 3: Yet nobody created other stuff out of thin air too,

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Speaker 3: you know. But Walsh was extremely, extremely innovative and was

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Speaker 3: considered the fore runner to become the Bengals head coach.

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Speaker 3: They've made the wrong choice, got someone else. He goes

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Speaker 2: That's a theme for that organization, yeah.

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Speaker 3: A little bit. And uh so I think Anderson might

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Speaker 3: even have a stronger case in LC. I mean, else

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Speaker 2: What really helps Ken Anderson is he was the league

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Speaker 2: MVP in nineteen eighty one. Elsie has the four rings

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Speaker 2: the Ultimate Team's success, but Ken Anderson the Ultimate Individual

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Speaker 2: Award nineteen eighty one MVP finished his career mat with

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Speaker 2: nearly thirty three thousand passing yards and one hundred and

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Speaker 3: That's the thing is, and people didn't throw the ball.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like that'd be great for now, you know.

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Speaker 2: He was kind of like Marino before Marino.

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Speaker 3: Right, and it was a lot of short controlled stuff.

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Speaker 3: Like if you look at like I remember getting like

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Speaker 3: you're too young for this, but like you get a

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine passing leader's card and there'd be one

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Speaker 3: the short controlled you know. I don't want to get

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Speaker 3: too much into football history, nor am I the best

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Speaker 2: Did the workout here for a minute, Matt. The people

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Speaker 3: And it's this to me is unbelievably innovative. Is he

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Speaker 3: married Walsh married? The drop your footwork with the exact

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's really beauty bang right right right? This

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna marry my route.

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Speaker 2: You're you're gonna throw that thing six inches in front

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Speaker 2: of Jerry Rice's number.

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Speaker 3: Right, and defenses didn't know what to do with it,

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Speaker 3: you know, right. And frankly, that's a big reason the

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Speaker 3: zone blitz created because you drop into those quick slants

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Speaker 2: You know, what's the phrase that you've said to me

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Speaker 2: a few times. That's a classic that necessity is the

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Speaker 2: mother the mother of invention is necessity. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: So these quarterbacks and wide receivers are dicing us up

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Speaker 2: like this, let's come up with the zone blitz.

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Speaker 3: And corners are like balls coming out before he's even

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Speaker 3: route eight thousand times. Montana to Rice, you know right,

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Speaker 3: but it was Anderson was ahead of the game on that.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Billy Walsh and those Niners teams and those offenses,

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Speaker 3: To help, so he's gonna have some tough swimming here, nominees.

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Speaker 2: He was the running back during that Montana Rice era,

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Speaker 2: first player to total one thousand rushing yards and receiving

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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey could run exactly three times Super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 2: eight years in the league, over thirteen hundred yards from scrimmage,

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Speaker 2: seventy three touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Again ahead of his game, ahead of his time. People remember,

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Speaker 3: on a really good team. But running backs weren't catching

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Speaker 3: and Craig was Craig also has the rings like Craig

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Speaker 3: kind of has the innovative Yep, I'm saying this Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame case, trying to be as impartial as possible.

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Speaker 3: Craig has some of the innovative ahead of his time.

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Speaker 3: Anderson stuff, Andy is Elsie's right, He's got right, right, right.

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Speaker 2: Those are two very viable can't now remember it goes

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Speaker 2: from nine to three, so it's not like they're just picking.

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Speaker 3: One to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Henry Ellard wide receiver in the eighties and nineties,

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Speaker 2: Let's see here, eight hundred and fourteen receptions, thirteen hundred

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Speaker 2: thirteen thy seven hundred yards, sixty five touchdowns. His yardages

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Speaker 2: are wide receiver still ranks fifteenth in league history, surpassed

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Speaker 2: one thousand yard receiving seasons seven times in his career,

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Speaker 2: led the league in receiving in nineteen eighty eight. Solid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, say, the resume is better than I thought. I

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Speaker 3: there's still be thirteenth in all time receiving yards when

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Speaker 2: Time for a little best of the West Wednesday here,

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Speaker 2: Matt and full transparency for you. We're gonna talk top

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Speaker 2: That'll be fun, that'll be easy. It was not easy.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not easy at all.

438
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: I went over this list thirty times. Like I said,

439
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 2: I thought, I put more thought into this than any

440
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: homework assignment I had in high school. I scratched names

441
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 2: off and changed names around on my list. A bunch

442
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 2: of times I really like number one on my list.

443
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, Jonathan Taylor. After that, it gets very difficult.

444
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 2: But here's what I got for you.

445
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure he's one.

446
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: Here's what put him over the top. He's averaging six

447
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 2: yards per carry. That's a half yard more than anybody else.

448
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 2: He has nearly two hundred yards more rushing than the

449
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 2: second place guy in the NFL right now, James Cook.

450
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: He has had his BOS pay attention.

451
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: He average, which is one hundred and fourteen yards per

452
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: game on the ground. Nobody else in the league averages

453
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: more than ninety six. He also has fifteen touchdowns if

454
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: you take away Josh Jacobs, only Javonte Williams even has

455
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: eight on the ground, So.

456
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Speaker 3: I know the touchdown stuff is remarkable.

457
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to play actually catching.

458
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: The ball a lot more this year too, than he

459
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 3: ever has.

460
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Speaker 2: Because that's a good point.

461
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I he was kind of one dimensional runner only

462
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 3: early in his career.

463
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Speaker 2: There was probably five names here that I considered for

464
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: number one, But when you look at just the pure

465
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: it's hard, I think hard not to have Jonathan Taylor

466
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Speaker 2: number one.

467
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: I'm not going to fight John, but the other name

468
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 3: that I would really struggle to write it is right

469
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 3: there as Jon Jean Robinson and a lot of it's

470
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Speaker 3: just the eyeball test. I mean, he's a top five

471
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Speaker 3: ish receiving back, number.

472
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: Two after Christian McCaffrey in terms of reception production.

473
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 3: I bet, I mean just in yards per route run.

474
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Speaker 3: They're the only two. It's above Warren by the way,

475
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: and just his highlights though, and his ability to move,

476
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: and you know, his talent, and he's private his career,

477
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: not that Taylor isn't. Those are the two out of

478
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Speaker 3: considered for one.

479
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: So let's start. I know, typically we were, we can

480
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 2: get one down, let's cause I think it is kind

481
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: of better way for this. I put Jamiir Gibbs too

482
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: in Bijeon three. Okay, but that was very difficult. I

483
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: thought about that a lot. Bjeon has more just and

484
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: you know, production in terms of yardage this season, but

485
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: Jamir Gibbs five point two yards per carry.

486
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: He's a rare mover.

487
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: He's a rare mover. I feel like the last couple

488
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: of weeks he's played so well, even while the lines

489
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: have struggled, He's been kind of like the lone bright Spot,

490
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: which I think maybe gave a little, but I will

491
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Speaker 2: also admit he's in a much better situation than Beijeon

492
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,239
Speaker 2: is well.

493
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 3: Bejeon situations really crumbling, and he's been.

494
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Speaker 2: Those to me were the three names that were clearly

495
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Speaker 2: the top three, Like, if you wanted to give them

496
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Speaker 2: to me in any order, I wouldn't have a fuss

497
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: about it. But I went Jonathan Taylor, Jamiir Gibbs, Bjeon

498
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: and Robinson, And I think those are like the three

499
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: absolute elite Tier one guys.

500
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Speaker 3: The thing, I mean, we're splitting hairs here because those

501
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: guys are all awesome. Gibbs, this isn't as big as

502
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: physical as the other He's not, you know, like definitely

503
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: not third and one, you know, or close out a game,

504
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: you know.

505
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: Like Jerome in the fourth quarter exactly.

506
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 3: He's just more electric maybe than either and open field

507
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: and receiver and you know, all those things, not that

508
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: those guys are lacking. I would go Bijeon, Taylor, Gibbs. Okay,

509
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: I don't hate it, but Taylor's having the best year.

510
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,959
Speaker 3: He's having the best year.

511
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Number four. And then then then again I said

512
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Speaker 2: to TV, I think this might have been The hardest

513
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: part was deciding four, five, six, because I had three

514
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: names in this next tier. But I went back and

515
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Speaker 2: forth on how do you value this? How do you

516
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: value that? But what it came down to at the

517
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: end of the day was I said this to TV

518
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: as we were kind of discussing and argument it back

519
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 2: and forth. Who would I want for a game this weekend?

520
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know who I'm picking here.

521
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: I put James Cook at four.

522
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: Ooh, I would take McCaffrey.

523
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: I put McCaffrey at five. Okay, So and you know

524
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: it's funny, you'll see this. I originally had McCaffrey at four,

525
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: and I switched him all the list. Yeah. So the

526
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: only thing that that kind of held me back is

527
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Speaker 2: mccaf I don't love McCaffrey's three point seven yards per.

528
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 3: They don't run the ball very well. But he's he's

529
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: not a great Yeah.

530
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: He's top ten and receiving yards in the NFL.

531
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Speaker 3: Man had to say the receiving stuff, and he's.

532
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: Thirteenth and rushing. Yes, So, I mean he is by

533
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: far the most productive when you combine Bejon's close, but

534
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: he is number one when you can when you combine

535
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: the receiving threat out of the backfield as well too.

536
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: The reason I pick him Craft, I just said as

537
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 3: well to Dan, the reason I'd pick him too is

538
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: what's the Niners record seven to three? Something like that?

539
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: He would it be without him? Right?

540
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: He was the whole offense for a lot of the year.

541
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Speaker 3: I mean, when Kittle was out and no one at

542
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: receiver and no party. Cook had has a better surrounding,

543
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: better rod line, the Allen fact. But you could argue

544
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: Cook is having the second best season amongst all running backs.

545
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I'm nearly a thousand yards already, five

546
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: point three yards per carry, seven touchdowns, He's averaging ninety

547
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: seven yards per game. It's impressive.

548
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, just sign a new contract. And that was like

549
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: a bargain already.

550
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: Impressive, so I had Again, I went back and forth.

551
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: I scribbled him around on my list, but I put

552
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: James Cook four, McCaffrey five, and then pretty clearly before

553
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: we get to the next tier, which is difficult, I

554
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: have a chain at number six.

555
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I have no problem with that. He produces every week.

556
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: I mean, third in the league in rushing yards right now, ye,

557
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: second best yards per carry in the league behind Jonathan Taylor.

558
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: He catches like eight balls again, and he's productive out

559
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: of the back.

560
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: And say, the receiving stuff is really important to me here.

561
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: For some reason, they used to think he was a

562
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: goal line back. Yeah, and the Alli Gordon thing has

563
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: helped everybody. You brought him up yesterday. I don't know

564
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: if he's on your list or not. I'm best. I'm

565
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: guessing he is, and he'd be a really tough guy

566
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: to rank, but I think i'd put Barkley there.

567
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: That's the one that TV and I had the most

568
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: difficulty with.

569
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: Because, I mean, a year ago he's won and he's like.

570
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: One maybe an NFL history right the season.

571
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: He had last I don't think he got worse.

572
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: I don't either, but he's averaging just three point h

573
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: guards per car. He's fourteenth in the league and rushing

574
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: averaging just sixty six yards per game.

575
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: Sakuon Barkley, like the holes he ran through last year

576
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: were obscene, too ridiculous. Right, Like his yards before contact,

577
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: I think he I think he had a thousand yards

578
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: even before he was touched over the course of the year.

579
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: So this is the did you put in next to you? Say?

580
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: I had him at eleventh. I had my first honorable

581
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: mention because I tried. This is again, this is the

582
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: power rankings, the Kansas City Chiefs conversation. Are you giving

583
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: him the past credit and for the doubt? Are you

584
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: just talking about this year?

585
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: See, I'm talking about now because like, I don't know

586
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: if Derreck Henry would make my ten.

587
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: He was number nine for Okay, you know it's not

588
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: very high, but Matt he is sixth in the NFL

589
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: and rushing over eight hundred yards four point nine per carry,

590
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: seven touchdowns for Derrick Henry.

591
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: What's funny is I don't know the stats all that well.

592
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: I didn't until I sat down. Yeah, right, right now,

593
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: that sounds like Jonathan Ted has got to be number one,

594
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: you just look at it on paper.

595
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: But Squon still passes the eyeball testing he does maybe

596
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: jumping over people backwards.

597
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: I'm probably arguing against my own logic because if I

598
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: were doing this list of like who do I want

599
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: on my team to win a game on Sunday, That's

600
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: what I mean, he'd be six or seven. He might

601
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: even be three or four or five.

602
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: Right Like if you threw Saquon on, the Steelers would

603
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: be pretty happy. About it, like, yeah, yeah, yes, I would, right,

604
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: all right, well let's keep rolling on the list.

605
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: Number seven and it was six.

606
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: McCaffrey was six.

607
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: Oh, okay Caffrey five.

608
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: Having am onnths year.

609
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: Number seven, another guy who's having a monster year. Fourth

610
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: in the league in rushing right now, five yards per Carrie.

611
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: I went with Rico Dowdell at number seven.

612
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: Okay, Matt.

613
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: The only guys in this conversation that have not fumbled

614
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: the ball yet this season Jonathan Taylor, Jamior Gibbs, Sakwon Barkley,

615
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: and Rico Dowdell.

616
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: See that's where I'll fight you like having an awesome year.

617
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: He had a couple of huge games. He's just not

618
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: better at the game in the Saquon bark He's not

619
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

620
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: But he's been better this year.

621
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's had a better season.

622
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: And that's again that's why it's that's why this is

623
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: a difficult I know. And like I said, this was

624
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: the hardest by far that I've done this year.

625
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: And again I'm not giving away lifetime Achievment awards. If

626
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: I were to build this list, it was best of

627
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: the Williamsons. I mean, I would it's how good they

628
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: are at the game right now, not necessarily who's having

629
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: the best year, because he's definitely the top ten for

630
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: having the best year.

631
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's fourth in the league rushing right now.

632
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: But like if he was a Steeler, I think him

633
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: and warrener fifty to fifty split. If Saquan's a Steeler

634
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: to seventy thirty split, you know what I mean?

635
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: Yes, eight. Javonte Williams another one to evaluate because he's

636
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: got a great quarterback and two great wide receivers. But

637
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: he's fifth in the league and rushing, he's on that

638
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: short list of guys averaging five yards per carry or

639
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: more eight touchdowns this year already out of the backfield,

640
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: and he's if you kind of look at a lot

641
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: of the people in front of him, he's got twenty carries,

642
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: less than Cook and Tailor and and some of these

643
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: guys because a lot, because they throw a lot. And

644
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: so he's another one, like he's the opposite of Bijon

645
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: r You know, like what if you put him in

646
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: the Falcons offense and Bejeon and the Cowboys offense? What

647
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: would that look like?

648
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: No question?

649
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: But when you're top five and rushing when you're on

650
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: the short list of guys that are over five yards

651
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: per carry, when you've got eight touchdown already too, I

652
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: got him. I got Javonte Williams at number eight.

653
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: I understand it. He's Nause's class and so there was

654
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: a lot of back and forth. Should the Steelers have

655
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: just waited a little bit taking a guy like him?

656
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: Atm was in that class too, but he wasn't the

657
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: big Steeler back, you know. And Dyle and I when

658
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: we'd all our draft prep, was like, Nause, You'd be fine,

659
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: but I might rather wait until the early second for Javonte.

660
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: And before his latest injury, which was a really, really

661
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: bad one, like two years ago, I thought he was

662
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: one of the best young backs in the league and

663
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: one of the hardest to tackle. I mean, he's a

664
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Speaker 3: tackle breaker by trade. Going back to North Carolina, this

665
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: is the first year I thought he might be done.

666
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 3: You know, this is the first year where I'm like, okay,

667
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: and now I remember that guy. Yeah he's looking like yeah,

668
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: like the medical rebound is in effect and Dallas is

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a really underrated pick up they got

670
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: for like league minimum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they do a pretty good job at the

672
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: running back evaluations there in Dallas. I'll give him credit

673
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: for that number nine.

674
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: Though, too. I mean they let him walk actually, but

675
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: he was good for the Cowboys. But Carolina got him

676
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: at a discount.

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00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes he did. There's another thing. TV and I

678
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: were kicking around putting together this list. Nine Derek Henry

679
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: ten Kyron Williams.

680
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Karen Williams is the type of guy that just

681
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: if he was a Steeler, everybody would love him. Every

682
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: coaching staff going back to Notre Dame loves them. Team

683
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: captain sticks his face in the fan over and over.

684
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: You know, great in protection. He's not the biggest, he's

685
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: not the fastest.

686
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: Produces top ten top ten in the league in rushing

687
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: yards right now and has the fewest amount of carries

688
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: of anybody in the top ten.

689
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: That doesn't shock me.

690
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Knows for the end zone as well to six touchdowns,

691
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: already averaging over seventy five rushing yards per game. Like

692
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: I said, it's tough. And then my honorable mentions, I

693
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: had Saquon next, and I had Breisee Hall.

694
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: I'd say.

695
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: I also put a if he wasn't on, I R

696
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: JK Dobbins would probably be in this on this list.

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00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: He just always heard. Yeah, I'd love to see what

698
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: a freeze Hall was with the Cowboys, yeah right, or

699
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: the Chiefs or something. I mean, he'd be lighting it up.

700
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: There's some other names. Like it's a little early, but

701
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: I think Judkins is super impressive. He was considered okay,

702
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: I mean he has nothing around him.

703
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: Travesy was considered.

704
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: In a real good year jenty. I still think is

705
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: going to be a great player, but he's a little disappointing.

706
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: But it's mostly his surroundings killing him. I'm a big

707
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker fan, but he splits too much time. I'm

708
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: just I'm just spitballing off the top of my head,

709
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: just throwing out names. If anyone else that's worth talking about.

710
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: Kind of drying up here pretty quick though. Josh Jacobs,

711
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: So he was he was one. He was one that

712
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: we kind of kicked around.

713
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: He's interesting because his yards per carry is way low,

714
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: just three three point eight, but he's got the eleven touchdowns.

715
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: He's good in those red zone right right, goal to

716
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: go situations, and he was.

717
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: Really really good last year. Like I can't feel like, oh,

718
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: he just all of a sudden forgot how to play. Yeah. Yeah,

719
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: it's kind of him and Henry are all similar.

720
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: If you're if you're if you're doing this kind of

721
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: Madden style rankings where they really give you a lot

722
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: of credit for what you've done in your Yeah, those guys,

723
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Saquon and Jacobs would be top five.

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00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe in that neighborhood. And Henry too, Henry. Henry's

725
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: in ability to catch wall his problem.

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00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: It is. But I when I when I started looking

727
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: at the numbers, because I told you I hadn't done

728
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: a ton of that.

729
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's six in the league in rushing, like

731
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: averaging four point nine yards per carry, seven touchdowns. I

732
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: didn't think that he was producing like like that. He's

733
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: he's still over eighty yards a game average on the ground.

734
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: He gives you nothing out of the backfield.

735
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 3: I know. I mean, there's just a lot of plays

736
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: that he's on the sideline when they're clearly throwing, which

737
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: is why I give like McCaffrey maybe a little more

738
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: boost or you know, saque on good list.

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00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: I think Matt, if we did this exercise again three

740
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five days from now, the two Ohio

741
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: State rookies quin Shawn Jenkins and Travon Henderson. We'll be

742
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: in the mix. Maryon Hampton could be in Mary Hampton

743
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: could be in.

744
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: The mix of the young guys.

745
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: He'd better be good.

746
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: Lord your boy love it Notre Dame might be on

747
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: the list a.

748
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: Right, Jeremiah Love how you doing. He looked pretty good

749
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: in an NFL stadium this past weekend. We'll be talking

750
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: about him plenty when we when we do our NFL

751
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: Draft prep. That's it for Best of the West. A

752
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: couple tweets and news worthy items that I want to

753
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: hit on here with Matt to close down the first

754
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: hour of the show, hour number two, around campus, our

755
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: buddy Chris Hallick some of Matt's stats. Plenty more to

756
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: get to as we roll along here on the Drive

757
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: the Black and Goalsers Nation Radio.

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00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: Down the home stretch here of the first hour of

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00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: the program, and Matt, you tweeted out something that is

762
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: a little startling. Nuts, Yeah, a little jarring. It is nuts.

763
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: The Cleveland Browns since they were reborn as the Cleveland

764
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: Browns in nineteen ninety nine, will have their forty second

765
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 2: different starting quarterback since the franchise turn of the NFL.

766
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders will get his first start this weekend. Officially official,

767
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: you can stamp it, you can bookmarkt And that squealing

768
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: noise you hear in the background is everyone from ESPN

769
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: and Fox Sports and all the national TV shows giddy

770
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: with excitement that the content God's just dropped this on

771
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: their lap.

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00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: So he got in the game last week he didn't start.

773
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: Indeed, this will be his first start, second appearance, first

774
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: start in the National Football League. These are the quarterbacks

775
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: that's also important to note that have started a game

776
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: for the Browns to long list like not just gotten

777
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: in right, right right, started a game right yeah, forty

778
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: one other names and.

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00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: The guys, the two dudes at the top, it's not

780
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: that many.

781
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: Tim Couch and Baker Mayfield tied at the top for

782
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: fifty nine.

783
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. So again, I spent a year with the Browns.

784
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: I was with the Jeff Garcia era, or we'll get

785
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: to him at some point. But I will say a

786
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: lot of the people that organization and a lot of

787
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: people around the league at that time, really thought Tim

788
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: Couch could have been awesome, but just went to like

789
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: the worst expansion team ever. And it's like Carr's older brother.

790
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: You know, right, Yes, it was just like David Carr.

791
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: David Carr, like I said, note when he went.

792
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: To Houston so like sacked forty times a year, Like yeah,

793
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: no chance.

794
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's their first pick as an expansion draft.

795
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: But it's like this dumped them in the worst nest

796
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 3: of all time, you know.

797
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: And this is a total aside, but I always laugh

798
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: in every sport, but especially physical contact sports, football chief

799
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: most amongst them. I think hockey is in this conversation too.

800
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: When people are like, we'll just throw them out there.

801
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: We just throw them out there. You can shatter somebody's

802
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: confidence young and their their body and their confidence, and.

803
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 3: People in the organization like, oh yeah, we ruined him. Yeah,

804
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: they flat to.

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00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: It's a little different than like, let's put this nineteen

806
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 2: year old basketball player out there and maybe he gets

807
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: you know, dunked on and misses a few shots.

808
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah. Or this left field or this picture

809
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: you know.

810
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: Just gets struck out or makes.

811
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 3: An air or something back to hit a cardball.

812
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no miners in the NFL either, like it

813
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: just you can absolutely ruin guys too early. So fifty

814
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: nine for both of those guys, Matt which is not

815
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: a very high high numbers as yeah, like so I'm

816
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: trying to find the what's what's the number here? Let's see,

817
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: it's lower than I thought. Mason Rudolph has started eighteen

818
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: games in his NFL career. I thought that was gonna

819
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: be higher because I was going to like use that

820
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: as a as a point, but that was lower than

821
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be.

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00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: What I remember, those two are pretty high, clearly the

823
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 3: top two.

824
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: Clearly the top two. Then Derek Anderson, Colt McCoy, Brandon Whedon.

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00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: That's the list though, of guys that have started twenty

826
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: or more games, so a little bit more than one season.

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00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, even there's only.

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00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: One, two, three, four, five that have started twenty or

829
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: more games.

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00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: It's crazy, crazy.

831
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: Charlie Frye, then Deshaun Watson.

832
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: Only I was with Akron with Charlie and then we

833
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 3: drafted him when I was with the Browns the next year,

834
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: and I vouched for him, like big time is a

835
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: first character leadership, all that stuff, which I had no

836
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: problem with it all. He's awesome dude. But I was

837
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: part of the reason that he got in that.

838
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Mix, him and Deshaun Watson at eighteen. Who would have

839
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: thought Deshaun Watson and they traded all that for him

840
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: and everything would have only started nineteen games for the

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00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns.

842
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: And that's the biggest mistake of all of them. But

843
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: there's a lot of mistakes on this list.

844
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: TV and I were laughing because it's become a sexy

845
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: radio topic in the last couple of days of is

846
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: the George Pickens trade the worst trade of all time?

847
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: It's not even in the same stratosphere as Watson trade.

848
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: It's not even close. Brian Hoyer, Deshaun Kyser, Kelly Hoult,

849
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: Brady Quinn, Trent dil For, Josh McCown, Jacoby Brissett, Jeff Garcia.

850
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 2: Those are all the ones with double digit starts. Wow, Okay,

851
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: so Flacco was close. He had nine. Cody Kessler, Doug Peterson,

852
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion, head coach of Philadelphia Eagles, Doug p On,

853
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: that's hilarious. I forgot that he started a handful of

854
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: games for the Browns. Jason Campbell Johnny Menzel, Seneca Wallace,

855
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: Jamis Winston, Dylan Gabriel has six, DTR has five, Robert

856
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: Griffin the Third has five. Jake Dell Home, Luke McCown,

857
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor, Ken Dorsey, p J. Walker, Austin Davis, ty Detmer, Case, Keenum,

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00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: Kevin Hogan, Bailey, Zappi, Spurgeon, win Who the heck is that?

859
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: Jeff Driscoll, Thad Lewis, Nick Mullins, Connorshaw, Bruce grab Kowski

860
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: in Sunday Afternoon, Sanders.

861
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: Crazy, isn't I mean? What in that unbelievably long list wild?

862
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not since the seventies, since the Right nine,

863
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: that's basically the twenty first century.

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00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I mean that's wild. Like the Steelers list

865
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: would have a Duck in there here and there, or

866
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: I mean there's a guy that even the Packers, you know,

867
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 3: during the Rogers year and not doing the far year

868
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: because he never missed ever. But I'm thinking about like

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00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: the most stable organizations. Okay, your guy gets hurts and.

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00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: Ni's Justin Field's in there for the Steelers, yeah or

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Speaker 2: Ducks or whatever it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or you know, Rogers misses a day and the

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Speaker 3: backup that no one's really heard about ends up on

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Speaker 3: the list like once every three years or something, you know,

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Speaker 3: But like a lot many of those names were, oh,

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Speaker 3: we got our guy, you know, that's our answer. You know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of them were big investments, including like Brandon Whedon,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, first a lot of first round

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Speaker 3: picks on that list.

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Speaker 2: Manzel, the Deshaun Watson one is obviously a black mark

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Speaker 2: for different reasons. But I think the biggest one is

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. I mean, you just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's good.

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Speaker 2: Now, you just mess that up.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's the only one on the list that's good.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's the worst trade in NFL history. That's one

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Speaker 2: of the worst trades in sports history. That's worse than

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Speaker 2: like the Red Sox letting Babe Ruth go to the

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Speaker 2: Yankees from mag of Peanuts and a leather glove map.

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Speaker 3: He's amazing, You're that bad at that position for that.

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Speaker 2: Long, inane and again, and just when you've invested a

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Speaker 2: lot of capital there as well.

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Speaker 3: And there's probably more to come.

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Speaker 2: We got a couple tweets from people today. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you saw Brandon Cooks released by the same Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: if we'd have any before we we got like two

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Speaker 2: minutes here until we got to go to break. Just

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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure to get that in at some

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Speaker 2: point today. Any interest in Brandon cooks for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: A couple of people tweaks.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they released them to kind of do him

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Speaker 3: a favor, you know, like the Titans do with Lockett,

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Speaker 3: you know, like maybe you can latch onto a winner.

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Speaker 3: We didn't play some young dudes. Probably not, but i'd

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Speaker 3: have to watch him specifically more. I have not done that.

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Speaker 2: If you didn't already kind of throw a similar type

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Speaker 2: of m VS into the fold.

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Speaker 3: And also on the small side, you know, MVS is

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Speaker 3: at least bigger. Maybe it's a pretty desperate move though,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's going to latch on somewhere like Lockett did,

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Speaker 3: you know with the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be against it, but I would be banging

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Speaker 2: down the door for it.

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Speaker 3: No, right, Like, I don't think it changes your outcome,

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Speaker 3: you know, or get you any more wins or losses

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Speaker 3: or you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not moving the Vegas the Vegas needle on division. Odds Now,

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Speaker 2: if all of a sudden it's me knocking on wood,

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Speaker 2: you had an injury happen at wide receiver a different conversation,

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Speaker 2: but for where you're at right now with a similar

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Speaker 2: type of you know, career arc although to be fair,

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Speaker 2: I think Brandon cooks Is probably had a better career,

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Speaker 2: but he's you know, you have him vs in the fold.

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Speaker 2: You just added a song. I know it's a completely

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Speaker 2: different position on another side of the ball, but like

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Speaker 2: you don't want to do just a constant carousel practice

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Speaker 2: squad thing. You did just added, Yes, you did just

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Speaker 2: add a sante Samuel Junior, you know, like every you

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Speaker 2: know driving every do you see they added John Reese

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Speaker 2: plumbly backed back? Is that your Caleb Williams Scout team guy, right?

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Speaker 3: I hadn't thought of that, But that's you can run.

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Speaker 2: Around and it has that athleticism trade for sure. Hour

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Speaker 2: in the books, another hour ago. When we return on

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Speaker 2: the other side, we will lead off our number two

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Speaker 2: with our buddy Chris Hallick. We'll talk to him about

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Speaker 2: all this practice squ odd stuff, all the latest moving

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Speaker 2: and shaking, what he thinks about Aaron Rodgers' status for Sunday,

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Speaker 2: all of that and more with Chris. When we returned

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Speaker 2: to kick off our number two was Shuler Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: Halfway Home on the Drive Steelers Nation Radio on the

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