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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your Happy Hour. I'm Joe,

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Speaker 1: I'm Serena, and we are here with Sam m from

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Speaker 1: Gen Season. He was just announced on the cast of Paradise. Sam,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it, of course.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Where are you located?

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Speaker 2: Located in Merle's Inlet, South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: It's probably fifteen minutes south of Myrtle Beach.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how far is after we got married in Charleston?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so probably an hour and a half

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Speaker 2: from Charleston.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how hot is it over there? Right now?

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Speaker 2: It's hot. We've had a lot of rain recently, probably

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Speaker 2: last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: I think we've had more rain than I've seen probably

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Speaker 3: the last two years. So it's, uh, whenever the song

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Speaker 3: comes out, the humidity is way up, so it's we're

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Speaker 3: feeling it over here.

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Speaker 1: Nice. You what do you do for a living?

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Speaker 3: So I'm a general contractor, mainly residential, so we were

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Speaker 3: home builders out here, and yeah, Mark market's good.

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Speaker 2: We stay pretty busy doing that.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 4: Do you have like a busy season, like a summer

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Speaker 4: busier for you?

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Speaker 3: Guys? Honestly, there's no such thing as a slow season

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Speaker 3: with us. I think there's a lot of builders in

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Speaker 3: our area, and you just try and find the right

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Speaker 3: one that you can get in then and get in with.

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Speaker 3: And then whenever you do that, you're You're never slow.

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Speaker 3: There's always something that needs to be done around here.

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Speaker 1: Are there hurricanes by you?

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Speaker 2: There are there's They're not as bad.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, Charleston gets them worse than us by the just

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Speaker 3: the way that the state curves in. Usually Charleston catches

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Speaker 3: the brunt of it and then by the time it

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Speaker 3: gets to us, it's just the backlash of it, which

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Speaker 3: can be tough. But I think we're due for a

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Speaker 3: pretty bad hurricane season this year.

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Speaker 1: Do you when you when it comes to building, do

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Speaker 1: you have to obviously you have to keep that in mind.

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Speaker 1: Eithery're like do you use like I don't know, like

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Speaker 1: special what what are you happening at?

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Speaker 4: Joe has never built anything in his life, Like he

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Speaker 4: can't even like hang something on the law.

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Speaker 1: False information.

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Speaker 2: I don't buy it. I don't know there's a code.

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Speaker 3: So depending on what we're doing, if we're just doing

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Speaker 3: handyman stuff, then there's no inspector or inspection required.

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Speaker 2: But usually with the stuff that we do.

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Speaker 3: There's a counting inspector that comes out and make sure

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Speaker 3: that everything is is up to date. That way, we're

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Speaker 3: not getting you know, we're not getting in trouble and

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Speaker 3: they're not getting in trouble either, So it got it all.

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Speaker 2: Works all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's uh, we'll pivot to is this your Is this

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Speaker 1: your first podcast?

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Speaker 2: First podcast? Yeah, I appreciate it. I feel honored.

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Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, Okay, so we're gonna pivot to The Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: You're at You were on gen season. We didn't get

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Speaker 1: How did you make it on to that first season?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That was It was kind of crazy. Actually.

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Speaker 3: I think there was a moment after I had come home.

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Speaker 3: It was late one night and I saw something pop

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Speaker 3: up on Instagram. I saw it and I thought this

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Speaker 3: then it was probably a month later somebody from casting

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Speaker 3: you think about doing an interview? And I thought it

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Speaker 2: We are nice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you are I would. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: it's safe to say you were kind of the villain

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Speaker 3: I think it's very safe to say yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Uh we yeah, we recapped the show. I feel like

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Speaker 1: we try to be fair and call it how it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what we said about you. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we went in too hard, but if we did,

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Speaker 1: But I guess on Gen season what went wrong.

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Speaker 3: I think a few things went wrong, and I think

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Speaker 3: So recently, and it really just allowed, or it didn't

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Speaker 2: I was looking for credibility.

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Speaker 3: I wanted it to be something that I knew if

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Speaker 2: And ultimately, that's not the love that I actually believe.

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Speaker 3: In, you know, I believe in being completely vulnerable, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's the that's the most special thing about

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Speaker 3: Everything else, I think, I'm so I'm one of five.

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Speaker 3: So I think with all of that, I made friends

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Speaker 2: With Aaron, that was that was a tough one.

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Speaker 3: He I think the way that he went about some

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Speaker 3: I I could really take a step back from and think, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask, where do you think

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Speaker 3: So I think first and foremost, I've just allowed myself

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Speaker 3: But you've got to you've got to maneuver through that

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Speaker 1: One day, did you I don't. I don't remember exactly.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you? Do you think those feelings were

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Speaker 3: I think from everybody else's eyes, it definitely looks like that,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't try and argue with anybody about that.

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Speaker 3: I think our relationship was a lot different than what

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Speaker 2: A little bit of both.

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Speaker 3: But I think where I was at I was more

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Speaker 3: I feel like in this world there's nothing that I

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Speaker 3: You, sorry, I've been busy with all this, which I'm

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Speaker 2: So you know, I get it. I see it for

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Speaker 1: Nice. Well, I mean you got you definitely seem like

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Speaker 1: it's it's we all go on reality all of us

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Speaker 1: So then, you know, you really it would make it

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Why did you make the decision to come back on Paradise?

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Speaker 3: I think I think I owed it first and foremost

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Speaker 3: That was it wasn't easy, and it wasn't easy for me,

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Speaker 3: It definitely hurt. It hurt watching my mom, you know,

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Speaker 4: What was your goal going into Paradise. Did you have

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Speaker 3: There were some people that I was really excited to

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Speaker 2: A little bit more.

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Speaker 3: And and Paradise, as you guys both know, it's it's

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what was so difficult for me

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think first and foremost was meeting

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Speaker 2: You know, this next go round.

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Speaker 4: Who was on your list of people that you were

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Speaker 4: Okay, nice.

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Speaker 3: After the season on the Bachelorette, I didn't reach out

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Speaker 3: Some people can see reality TV, and there's a lot

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Speaker 2: I think this guy's the world's biggest piece of shit.

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Speaker 3: So she was somebody that we had spoke a little

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see it. I can see that.

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Speaker 1: not what I would have. No, she's just like a

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Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, I do think I do think too. People

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Speaker 3: And honestly, the feistiness was something that I liked. I

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Speaker 2: Bit as well. So I think there's balance to a relationship.

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Speaker 3: I want, you know, my partner to have her voice

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Speaker 1: Extent, was was there anyone in your family that was

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Speaker 2: I think so. My in my immediate family.

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Speaker 3: No, in my my cousin though I ran into him

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Speaker 3: He's like, dude, fuck it go. He's like, you've already

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Speaker 3: He said, you came out on you know, it was

444
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 3: definitely tough, he said, but you came out better. Maybe

445
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: not in the eyes of America, but you as a

446
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: man came out better and you can handle it.

447
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 2: And now if it.

448
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 3: Happens again, like you know what to expect and anything that,

449
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,719
Speaker 3: you know, if it's even better, which I couldn't imagine

450
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: going much worse, I feel like I set the bar

451
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 3: pretty low. So like this time around, it's kind of

452
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 3: one of those things, he said, you know what to expect.

453
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: If they do it, so what, and if they don't,

454
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 3: then it'll all be worth it.

455
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the good thing about Paradise is like the

456
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 4: audience loves the redemption story, and rarely is it like

457
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 4: someone has a really rough go on Bachelor and Bachhrett

458
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 4: and then comes on Paradise and it goes worse. I

459
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 4: can't think of the time that that's happened. Hopefully, hopefully

460
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 4: you're not the first.

461
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: One look at Nick Vail like there's someone who I

462
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: think he he was. I didn't watch the season, but

463
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: villain villain, Yeah, on his season, then he went to Paradise,

464
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: got a redemption story, the mad him the Bachelor, and

465
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: now he got a fucking bag for his podcast.

466
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: Like there you go, yeah, yeah, I mean it happens.

467
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: I do think that.

468
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: Different energy this time around. I was super skeptical even

469
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: walking in. You know, whenever I walked into Paradise, I

470
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: expected for there to be people that embraced me. I

471
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: expected some people to kind of hold me at an

472
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 3: arm's length because they didn't know what to expect. And

473
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: then I expected the other, you know, the other group

474
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: of people to be like, fuck this guy right here,

475
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: this guy sucks. And and I understand it, I really do.

476
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 3: If I saw what everybody else saw, I agree with it.

477
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 2: I agree with it.

478
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 3: But that's so far from who I am, and then

479
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 3: getting to Paradise and everybody was just so warm and welcoming.

480
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: It just felt different.

481
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: Things just super easy to kind of move out there,

482
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: and uh, I think it'll be good this time around.

483
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, I think that's that's That's a nice thing

484
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: about going back on one of these shows is like

485
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: everyone gets it right. Like there's a lot of people

486
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: that they don't truly, like they don't understand the filming

487
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: process and the reality TV of it all, so they

488
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: see you kind of as one person and they they

489
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: hate you. But everyone here kind of knows like, Okay,

490
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: like you know, he made he made some mistakes, doesn't

491
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: make them look good, but like this guy really that bad.

492
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: Like this guy is not like you called yourself the

493
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: biggest piece of shit in the world is how you

494
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: came across. But like really not really like you know,

495
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: like it's not like you weren't that bad, you know, Like,

496
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: you know.

497
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: People keep saying that I got a tough time. I've

498
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: got a tough time believing it. And maybe that's just

499
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: me because I hold myself to a pretty high standard. Uh,

500
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 3: living in a small town where I do, your reputation

501
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: is everything, and having a big fan. If you don't

502
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: know me, you probably know one of my sisters. If

503
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 3: you don't know them, you probably know one of my brothers.

504
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 3: My parents graduated in this area right here too, so

505
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 3: you know my last name. There is a reputation that

506
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: I like to keep, and I think maybe that's why

507
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: I just took it such. I took it to heart

508
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: so much watching it all back, because I thought, this is,

509
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: you know, outside of embarrassing. It wasn't even somebody that

510
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: I didn't like. It was somebody that I just absolutely

511
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: hated on TV. And it makes things a little bit

512
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 3: difficult to try and you know, to try and convince

513
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: anybody otherwise.

514
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: But but yeah, that's just that's the nature of the beast.

515
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 4: If I remember correctly, your family was active on social

516
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: media and defensive view during the season. Do we expect

517
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 4: that this season as well? Or do we have new

518
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: boundaries in place? What's the vibes at family dinner?

519
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: No?

520
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: No, everything is everything is it's it's cool, calm, collected.

521
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: Think I wouldn't want to put them through what I think.

522
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: There's a level of responsibility that I had to take

523
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 3: with it all, and knowing that I did put them

524
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: through some of that, even though that some of it

525
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: was unwarranted, there is a level of accountability that I

526
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: had to take and watching my you know, my friends

527
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: and my family go to war with everybody.

528
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: But this time around, no, it's it's just not worth

529
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: it. It's not worth the.

530
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: Well, you'll never beat the internet, right, You're just never

531
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: going to be You're just out, You're out gone for sure. No,

532
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: you never.

533
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 2: Exactly, it's not worth it. It's not worth it.

534
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 3: Also, anybody that you know wants to believe everything they

535
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: see on reality TV, it's probably somebody not really worth

536
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: arguing with. And I think that's kind of the level

537
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 3: that we all got to. And it doesn't mean that

538
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: you don't take what they say and try and make

539
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: yourself better.

540
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: It just means you filter everything.

541
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: But but yeah, so this time around, there's going to

542
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: be none of that.

543
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think I think your situation was also

544
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: a little worse too, because you know, you were you're

545
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: one of the better looking guys in the season. You

546
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: have a connection with Jen, you're kind of like.

547
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 4: You're also going up against her other connection.

548
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: And you're but you're like you're kind of like like

549
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: episode one a lot of people are looking at you

550
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: as like this is going to be the hero, this

551
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: is going to be the stop. And then when it flips,

552
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: everyone's like, ah, it's like so much worse because you

553
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: are kind of like a little bit on this pedestal.

554
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: And then it's like the fall from that, it's like, oh, it's.

555
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: Tough, tough.

556
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's how it goes. It's it's just how it goes, though.

557
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: And I learned so much, honestly about myself.

558
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: I think in that environment right there, understanding that I

559
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: can't fight ten thousand people, you know in my DM

560
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: saying this, and that you just have to learn to

561
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: get over it and you really have to solidify into

562
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: who you are and remember to keep growing and keep pushing.

563
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's just filtering everything. He had

564
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: something to say that was mean, if there was a

565
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 3: lesson in there that I could take and apply to myself,

566
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: than I would and then the rest of it I

567
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: would just throw out the door. But people's opinions and projections,

568
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: they're just like it's just not mine to carry. And

569
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: that was the point that I had to get to

570
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: and just saying this isn't worth it. Take what you

571
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: can from it, make yourself better, and then after that,

572
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, yeah.

573
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: How has the response been since the cast has been

574
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: announced and it's out there that you're going back on TV?

575
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, oh, he's shaking his head, you know.

576
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: So I haven't looked at I haven't looked at a

577
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: whole lot. I don't get as involved in it as

578
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: I think I did when I whenever I first got back,

579
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: because I was so excited about it all. I think

580
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 3: this time around, I'm more just letting, letting the cards

581
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: fall as they do, and really, nobody's going to know

582
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 3: anything about me, and you know, until July seventh, and

583
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: whenever that happens, then we'll see what the response is

584
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: like then. So for now, it's still a lot of hate,

585
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: but it's it's probably fifty to fifty now because of

586
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, what Devin did and blah blah blah.

587
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 5: So it's uh, yeah, yeah if if before before we

588
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 5: let you go, what is what is one thing you're

589
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 5: hoping the audience learns about Sam as a person after Paradise.

590
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: I think that I'm just kind.

591
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: I think that's what I want people to see, is

592
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: that I'm very kind and much more soft spoken than

593
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: what anybody knows. Also, my emotional intelligence might be a

594
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: little bit deeper than what everybody thinks as well, so

595
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: but I think ultimately it is just that I'm kind.

596
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: That's what I want people to I want people to

597
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: remember the way that they felt whenever they talked to

598
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: me or whenever they were around me. I think that's

599
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: kind of my what I aspire towards in life is that,

600
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: you know, how do you want to be remembered? I

601
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: want I want to be remembered as that guy that

602
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: made somebody feel good, somebody feel confident, and.

603
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: The exact opposite of what they all saw a year ago.

604
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: Can you give us one word that you think describes

605
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 4: this season of Paradise.

606
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: Messy?

607
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: Okay, I would like to hear that.

608
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm Sam really appreciate you taking the time out. I'm

609
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: rooting for you. I hope this all goes well. Thank

610
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: you so much.

611
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you, guys, seriously, thanks for having me.

612
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 3: This is my first podcast, so well, I'm glad it

613
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: was with you, guys.

614
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

615
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: We were happy to have you on and you did

616
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: great and I'm sure we'll see you again soon as

617
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: the season starts there.

618
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure you will for sure.

619
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Speaker 1: To our listeners, thank you so much for tuning in

620
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: the bet Or Happy Hour. Make sure you download and

621
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: subscribe to a podcast.

622
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: We'll have new and exclusive interviews coming your way. Thanks

623
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Speaker 4: for listening. Bye,