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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
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Speaker 3: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't
Speaker 3: want you to know, coming to you live from a
Speaker 3: little thing called the United States. The history of our country,
Speaker 3: our modern version of this country, is, if anything, I
Speaker 3: think it's fair to say, a history of protest.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It was started as a conspiracy by European colonists who
Speaker 3: protested and rebelled against monarchies. And the history of this
Speaker 3: country is largely a history of disenfranchised minorities protesting even today,
Speaker 3: discrimination and other terrible things. And you know what got
Speaker 3: me about this in general, in theory, it's so it's
Speaker 3: so strange if you read a textbook after enough time
Speaker 3: has passed, these protests are often seen as righteous and noble,
Speaker 3: but only after they have occurred.
Speaker 4: Its super common for that to be the case, and
Speaker 4: the tragic irony here. I don't think is lost on
Speaker 4: any of us. The idea that you know, the United
Speaker 4: States was formed as a result of protests in and
Speaker 4: of itself. But it's almost like only we are the
Speaker 4: righteous ones, and everyone else that we have to step
Speaker 4: on to get to our goals is totally fair game.
Speaker 2: And any group that wants to protest the government in
Speaker 2: general has been in the past viewed as enemies of
Speaker 2: the state, right, anyone who wants to change the current
Speaker 2: power structures, the way things function. These groups, at least
Speaker 2: elements within them, have been viewed as as literal enemies.
Speaker 3: Women voting terrorism, I say, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know about that. The suffrage Did they infiltrate the suffrage movement?
Speaker 3: There was no actual infiltration, It was just the vilification.
Speaker 2: We're talking, he heard, yeah.
Speaker 3: And when we look at I love the points we're
Speaker 3: raising her. When we look at the events themselves, the protests,
Speaker 3: the movements for quality themselves, and you look at the
Speaker 3: times and the context in which these movements transpire, we
Speaker 3: see over and over again a deep river of conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Tonight's episode, the United States versus the American Indian Movement,
Speaker 3: here are the facts this is common knowledge, right. The
Speaker 3: US did and does treat Native American or Indigenous communities
Speaker 3: pretty terribly, right. I think we're all of the age
Speaker 3: where you could even learn this in your textbooks growing up, right.
Speaker 4: I think for the most part, this didn't get a
Speaker 4: pass in traditional the public schooling, or at least you
Speaker 4: know what I experienced. I mean, the Trail of Tears,
Speaker 4: the displacement of around sixty thousand Native people belonging to
Speaker 4: the five Civilized Tribes between around eighteen thirty to eighteen fifty.
Speaker 4: Just a mass you know, displacement really, you know, with
Speaker 4: the zero attention or care paid to what would happen
Speaker 4: to them, And even today I think we've talked about that. Finally,
Speaker 4: it feels like in literature and pop culture, the Native
Speaker 4: story is finally getting a little bit of air.
Speaker 3: Could you tell everybody a little bit what what is
Speaker 3: meant by five civilized tribes?
Speaker 4: That's just the term that's used to describe them. I
Speaker 4: think they were just organized. They had you know, culture,
Speaker 4: they had lands, they had leadership, and essentially the US
Speaker 4: government just said, you know, screw that. We don't care
Speaker 4: about your history, we don't care about your legacy. We
Speaker 4: don't care about your culture. We just want your land.
Speaker 4: I believe the tribes were the Cherokee, the Seminole, the Muskogee,
Speaker 4: the Chickasaw, and the Choctaw nations is what they're afrig
Speaker 4: to because this this, these are long legacy peoples with
Speaker 4: you know, religions, with belief systems, with government, with of
Speaker 4: course family and ways of feeding and clothing and taking
Speaker 4: care of themselves that were unconnected to the larger, you know,
Speaker 4: civilized world let's call it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to be clear, and this is an apolitical point,
Speaker 3: to be clear, Separating those five cultures and communities and
Speaker 3: calling only them civilized out of the many many tribal
Speaker 3: or indigenous communities in the US was a move absolutely
Speaker 3: divide people to mother them.
Speaker 4: Yes, And I just just just to wrap up my
Speaker 4: point at just saying of in the last maybe ten years,
Speaker 4: we have finally really seen some of these stories come
Speaker 4: into the four you know, with films like Killers of
Speaker 4: the Flower Moon and television series like Reservation Dogs. These
Speaker 4: are stories that I, you know, was not familiar with,
Speaker 4: and it's it's really interesting to see, you know, a
Speaker 4: view inside of reservation communities and how rough they have it.
Speaker 4: And like basically we just said, you know, as a
Speaker 4: consolation prize for all the horrific acts we perpetrated on them,
Speaker 4: here you can have this little kind of you know,
Speaker 4: also ran piece of land and certain fundings. But they're
Speaker 4: they're not thriving, you know. Communities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've hit on a lot of this on this
Speaker 2: show before, especially when we're talking about tribes that still
Speaker 2: exist in Alaska and parts of Canada and places where
Speaker 2: they are the tribe, the human beings within these you know,
Speaker 2: tribal lands are neglected often and forgotten by power structures
Speaker 2: that exist around them, which you know, are meant to
Speaker 2: be separate from these areas and from like the governance
Speaker 2: and the policing. But at the same time, it's a
Speaker 2: weird situation of I would say, in my opinion, a
Speaker 2: deliberate I was going to say lack of resources, but
Speaker 2: it's like a pullback of resources.
Speaker 3: Persecution by negligence.
Speaker 4: There you go. And for me to say these communities
Speaker 4: aren't thriving, that is not a ding on the communities.
Speaker 4: It is exactly a reference to what you're saying, a
Speaker 4: lack of resources, a lack of attention you know, by
Speaker 4: the government.
Speaker 3: I would also say that that passive persecution via negligence
Speaker 3: transforms to a more active persecution if ever resources are
Speaker 3: dis governed. Yeah, the small bit of land as left.
Speaker 3: Talking about the uranium story that hit the news recently.
Speaker 2: Yep, oh, the one last thing. Just about that five
Speaker 2: tribes thing we're talking about, and how othering, like, how
Speaker 2: othering that was on purpose? I think it's also a
Speaker 2: way to identify a what would be considered an organized enemy,
Speaker 2: an enemy that can can and in the eyes of
Speaker 2: the governor or the people that are calling them, that
Speaker 2: can and should be fought.
Speaker 3: Basically right to define and address, which is always the mission.
Speaker 3: And also similar to European activities on the African continent,
Speaker 3: you want to you want to do everything you can
Speaker 3: to diminish or erase communication, unity and community or common
Speaker 3: cause between tribes that of course had a very long
Speaker 3: history of collaboration and conflict, far before even even the
Speaker 3: vikings came over. Because people have been here for a
Speaker 3: long long time. What we're all saying here, fellow conspiracy realist,
Speaker 3: is something we all know. Hopefully, It is common knowledge
Speaker 3: that Europeans who arrived in the Americas did horrible, horrible
Speaker 3: things to the many varied cultures and communities that already
Speaker 3: long existed here. Pretty much every nasty thing you can
Speaker 3: think of with the technology at the time was.
Speaker 2: Deployed biological warfare. Seriously, but yeah, it was. The indigenous
Speaker 2: peoples of North America were the first enemies of any
Speaker 2: kind of organized government that landed from the outside in
Speaker 2: North America.
Speaker 4: Right, those are literally just defending their lands and their
Speaker 4: people examine faders, you know, I mean, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: It's crazy to think just when we're going in time
Speaker 2: from the moment that the United States has formed, and
Speaker 2: I mean well before that, when they're just colonies here,
Speaker 2: these groups are and people's are the enemies of the establishment.
Speaker 4: Well, and the Indian removal actors. What led to the
Speaker 4: trailers tier as well. It wasn't exactly putting them in
Speaker 4: camps per se or lining them up and having them executed.
Speaker 4: It by many accounts of historians and scholars, was an
Speaker 4: example of genocide or ethnic clensing, just by virtue of
Speaker 4: the fact that many of them, thousands of them, did
Speaker 4: not make it to their destination because of disease.
Speaker 3: You know, it was just a starvation, at least partially
Speaker 3: by design. Yeah, you don't have to look forward to
Speaker 3: learn the history massacres, disease, as you said, genocide, forced relocation, assimilation,
Speaker 3: which would be cultural erasure. And the overall theme is
Speaker 3: an unending line of broken promises treaties, the consequences of
Speaker 3: which continue in the modern day. And folks, we're here
Speaker 3: with you. Many of our fellow conspiracy realists, our first tribe,
Speaker 3: Native American, Indigenous, or you share ancestry from indigenous communities,
Speaker 3: like several of us on the show, so for many
Speaker 3: of us this is familiar. There is a quote I
Speaker 3: found that gives us a snapshot of the present day
Speaker 3: that kind of sums up everything we said. It's from
Speaker 3: a bit of a problematic source with an agenda, but
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting to quote from this problematic source
Speaker 3: because even they recognize a problem. So I want to
Speaker 3: give this quote in like a professorial voice.
Speaker 4: This is from the Foundation for Economic Education. And yes,
Speaker 4: one of the reasons the United States became the most
Speaker 4: prosperous nation in the history of the world can be
Speaker 4: found to the institutions created to protect individual liberty, free markets,
Speaker 4: and private property rights, all of which incentivize entrepreneurship and innovation. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: the prosperity that exists due to the institutions created by
Speaker 4: the Founders is not afforded to all American citizens.
Speaker 3: We're going to stop it there, because that's about as
Speaker 3: far as they get in terms of stuff we all
Speaker 3: agree with. After that, they get into how amazing deregulation
Speaker 3: will be, and that is just cartoonishly incorrect.
Speaker 2: Well, in the name of entrepreneurship and innovation, we must
Speaker 2: end regulator regulatorist ship.
Speaker 3: That's what the Founded fathers, who had all kinds of
Speaker 3: proposed regulations, would surely have wanted. They were more occupied
Speaker 3: with stockings and wigs. The statistics are there for anybody
Speaker 3: who cares to look. For instance, some of the best
Speaker 3: numbers come from about four years ago. The Native American
Speaker 3: poverty rate in the United States was north to twenty
Speaker 3: five percent twenty six point two percent in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: almost double that of the rest of the US. Forced
Speaker 3: relocation has also led to another consequence people don't often
Speaker 3: think about, which is the United States purposely pushed these
Speaker 3: people by hook or by crook, into land that they
Speaker 3: thought was worthless. Hard arid land, very difficult to survive,
Speaker 3: you know, and as a result, of that in the
Speaker 3: modern evenings, these communities are much more vulnerable to climate change,
Speaker 3: and did someone think about that, maybe, but did they
Speaker 3: care absolutely not. This is where we have to talk
Speaker 3: about termination policy, which was a real name, not from
Speaker 3: some sort of eighteen hundreds manifest destiny crap, but from
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty three. Termination policy is a real thing the
Speaker 3: FEDS did.
Speaker 2: Termination policy is when the government, as you said, in
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three, decided by itself, hey, we'd no longer
Speaker 2: recognize a lot of tribes, like one hundred or more tribes,
Speaker 2: and they made people in tribes that they no longer
Speaker 2: recognized leave the areas that they push them to in
Speaker 2: the first place. Historically, it's just insane.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, I said, well, you know, we know that
Speaker 3: we did recognize you as like, we recognize your culture,
Speaker 3: we recognize you as a people with and we know
Speaker 3: we have this whole thing earlier with inalienable rights. But
Speaker 3: you guys got to get out again. You got to
Speaker 3: go to like Chicago or Milwaukee or Minneapolis, just you
Speaker 3: know GTFO.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah.
Speaker 2: The weird thing that I don't understand with this is
Speaker 2: did they make all of those people who were members
Speaker 2: of tribes once now American citizens, Like, is that what
Speaker 2: they did? They said, Hey, guess what, you're a citizen now, congratulations.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know.
Speaker 4: Well. What they did try to do through an actual infrastructure,
Speaker 4: I guess was assimilate them without really giving them the
Speaker 4: same rights afforded to you know, American citizens. And I
Speaker 4: guess this is as good a time as any just
Speaker 4: to mention a new story that just came out from
Speaker 4: the New York Times about these Indian boarding schools that
Speaker 4: from the eighteen hundreds to as late as the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 4: US government actually removed Native children from their homes and
Speaker 4: families and sent them to these boarding schools where they
Speaker 4: were taught to be Americans. Essentially cultural erasure. Spent about
Speaker 4: around twenty five billion dollars by today's measure on this effort.
Speaker 4: And there's a report that came out very recently. This
Speaker 4: article from the Times is from July thirtieth, that nearly
Speaker 4: a thousand American, Indian, Alaskan, Native and Native Hawaiian children
Speaker 4: died while attending these Indian assimilation boarding schools.
Speaker 3: And do check out our earlier episodes on these sorts
Speaker 3: of operations. These conspiracies. Sometimes north of the of the
Speaker 3: US border. In Canada, they were called residential schools. But
Speaker 3: though the names in the nomenclature may change, the goal
Speaker 3: of these terrible operations is the same. Many people under
Speaker 3: termination policy did move, in some cases because they could
Speaker 3: not afford not to move due to the carrots and
Speaker 3: sticks employed against them. And when they did move to
Speaker 3: these cities, they found there were no jobs, there were
Speaker 3: no educational opportunities, and they were heavily profiled and persecuted
Speaker 3: by local law enforcement of the time like Heavy Heavy,
Speaker 3: And as a result of this, this chaos, this continuing aggression,
Speaker 3: the American Indian Movement Arises, or AIM as it was
Speaker 3: typically called in some co Intel pro documents. It's founded
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty eight in Minneapolis, one of those cities
Speaker 3: that people were pushed to under termination policy, and it's
Speaker 3: generally the brainchild of four people Ojibwe activists George Mitchell,
Speaker 3: Dennis Banks, Eddie Benton, Benai, and Clyde Bellacourt. Their original
Speaker 3: purpose is to provide aid to Native people's members of
Speaker 3: these communities that apparently don't existent according to Congress. And
Speaker 3: they say, we're going to help these people who got
Speaker 3: forcibly displaced again in the modern day. And as they
Speaker 3: continued they met with success. Their goals grew to encompass
Speaker 3: an entire spectrum, a monopoly of native demands that have
Speaker 3: been going on for generations now. Economic independence, recognition of
Speaker 3: traditional culture, protection of legal rights like hey, maybe enforce
Speaker 3: one of these treaties at some point, and autonomy over
Speaker 3: tribal areas. The big one, the big sticky one for
Speaker 3: the FEDS, the restoration of lands that had an aims perspective,
Speaker 3: been illegally seized and also, by the way, in the
Speaker 3: perspective of pretty much any legal scholar, have been illegally seized.
Speaker 4: But doesn't it just show how a lot of these
Speaker 4: treaties are kind of just optics, and you know, we're
Speaker 4: not fair dealing, you know, with these tribes, with these groups,
Speaker 4: because we don't view them or historically didn't view them
Speaker 4: as equal, or there was almost a desire to like
Speaker 4: put one over on their leadership. I just I don't know,
Speaker 4: I just when I see things like this and these
Speaker 4: kinds of treaties that is time and time again not honored,
Speaker 4: I just feel like things like this are toothless and
Speaker 4: just sort of like to absolve the oppressor, you know,
Speaker 4: of responsibility, rather than to actually do something positive for
Speaker 4: the oppressed.
Speaker 2: Dude, Okay, there's a connection here. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: The connection is the Civil rights movement and black power movements.
Speaker 2: So let's go back to because we said that the
Speaker 2: American Indian Movement or AIM, was founded in nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: eight in Minneapolis, let's jump to Oakland, California, nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 2: That's when Huey Newton and Bobby Seal formed the Black
Speaker 2: Panther Party for Self Defense that has a lot of
Speaker 2: the same goals, and it was viewed immediately as a
Speaker 2: negative thing, a threat to the establishment, to the United
Speaker 2: States government. And I can only imagine that when the
Speaker 2: American Indian Movement forms their eyes on like at least
Speaker 2: from certain areas of the Virginia Washington DC area.
Speaker 3: How diplomatic, Yes, certain areas of Virginia, Ames leaders did,
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, man, AMES leaders took inspiration from the
Speaker 3: Civil Rights movement and the policies of nonviolent confrontation, nonviolent protest.
Speaker 3: As time went on, as we will see, this strategy evolved,
Speaker 3: perhaps out of necessity. AIM was involved in many many protests,
Speaker 3: some of which will get to the occupation of Alcatraz,
Speaker 3: which does have a little bit of levity to it,
Speaker 3: The Trail of Broken Treaties demonstration in nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 3: that's the big one, right, that's one of the big ones. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And the occupation of Wounded me Or Reservation in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy three. This is all just the tip of a
Speaker 3: proverbial iceberg. Let's consider the context as we're saying the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies. Like, as we said at the top, this
Speaker 3: can sound strange in twenty twenty four, this bevy of conspiracies,
Speaker 3: We get it, but we have to understand that in
Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies, the public is still reeling after the
Speaker 3: assassinations folks like doctor Martin Luther King Junior Robert Kennedy.
Speaker 3: The US government is still intensely concerned. From their perspective,
Speaker 3: any civil rights movement might be affront for a foreign
Speaker 3: power Kauugh cough, Soviet Russia kauf cough, or a home
Speaker 3: grown threat to the status quo. So what may seem
Speaker 3: to us to be a very American impulse to push
Speaker 3: for equality and more rights could to the powers that
Speaker 3: be seem a lot more like a domestic terrorist organization,
Speaker 3: even if they don't use those phrases.
Speaker 4: You're saying that it was seen as potential for opportunists
Speaker 4: to co opt the movement and kind of infiltrate it
Speaker 4: and use it and bend it to their own aims,
Speaker 4: or sort of be masquerading as members of this protest
Speaker 4: movement but actually be attempting to, you know, seek aims
Speaker 4: that are that are unrelated to that movement.
Speaker 3: Well, keep in mind, let's I mean, that's an excellent question. No,
Speaker 3: let's keep in mind that the US is acutely aware
Speaker 3: of the possibilities of these tactics because at this point
Speaker 3: they have deployed them in Latin America, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They have exactly well, and they're also at this time,
Speaker 2: right as all of this is occurring, the FBI has
Speaker 2: an active quote rabble Rouser Index that they've been tracking
Speaker 2: for years of people, individuals within organizations that they think
Speaker 2: might be a threat. And the individual is a specific
Speaker 2: threat because they're either really good at talking to other people,
Speaker 2: or they're really good at whatever it is they do
Speaker 2: within that organization.
Speaker 3: Or they have a perceived web of connections exact and
Speaker 3: those connections may be the problematic piece question tonight, how
Speaker 3: did AJ This is a bit of a softball. How
Speaker 3: did agencies like the FBI and CIA react to Aim?
Speaker 3: How did the US respond to these demands for quality,
Speaker 3: equity and justice. We'll tell you after a word from
Speaker 3: our sponsors. Here's where it gets crazy. Uncle Sam eventually
Speaker 3: totally tried to crush AIM, similar to the techniques applied
Speaker 3: against the earlier civil rights movement. We're tacking blackmail, We're
Speaker 3: talking trying to turn people, get some moles in there.
Speaker 3: They from pretty much from the jump. They regarded Aim
Speaker 3: in a, if not antagonistic light, in a very skeptical,
Speaker 3: distrustful light. But their first responses seemed surprisingly reasonable, especially
Speaker 3: if you from the perspective of twenty twenty four's incredibly
Speaker 3: hostile and devisive climate. The Nixon administration ran into something
Speaker 3: that is absolutely going to have to be a full
Speaker 3: ridiculous history episode. They helped occupy Alcatraz Island. You guys
Speaker 3: remember Alcatraz Island from like when Sean Connery got caught
Speaker 3: up in there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rock Rock, Yes, that's yeah, all those green balls, man,
Speaker 2: look out.
Speaker 4: I went on a tour of Alcatraz when I was
Speaker 4: really little, and it made an impression on me. I mean,
Speaker 4: it is a really interesting kind of you know, museum
Speaker 4: at this point. There is some interesting history to it,
Speaker 4: of course, but what it represented was the just the
Speaker 4: iron fisted grasp of the United States, you know, hegemony,
Speaker 4: I guess, the ability to contain the bad elements, you know,
Speaker 4: on this island instapable unless you're, of course, Shuck Connery
Speaker 4: and Nick Kay's with the green balls. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary, it starts being a prison in
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty four and it shuts down in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 3: When it shuts down in sixty three, Native American organizations
Speaker 3: start lobbying and they say, hey, look, you're not using this.
Speaker 3: Can we redevelop this island as a Native American cultural
Speaker 3: center or school, you know, and or school. And in
Speaker 3: March of sixty four, just the year after the prison
Speaker 3: shuts down, five members of the Sioux community attempt to
Speaker 3: seize the island to take physical possession of it under
Speaker 3: an interesting treaty, the Fort Laramie Treaty of eighteen sixty eight,
Speaker 3: which technically, if the US ever enforced it would allow
Speaker 3: Native American communities to appropriate surplus federal land.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, constitude, what constitute surplus though, guys,
Speaker 4: I mean we we've got bit, We're planning an arcade.
Speaker 4: We're gonna put a David Busters there. This is not surplus.
Speaker 2: Well that that project that you're speaking of has not.
Speaker 2: It's not gone across the table yet, so they are
Speaker 2: unaware of any plans for a giant Dave and Busters
Speaker 2: on Alcatraz. So theoretically, at this moment it is surplus.
Speaker 3: Right right. And also we know the game. Treaties in
Speaker 3: the US work in one direction. Shout out to Iran,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like that has always been
Speaker 3: the great game.
Speaker 4: Shout out to one direction, you know, masters of diplomacy
Speaker 4: and new direction.
Speaker 3: Oh, early efforts do fail. But because of this, the
Speaker 3: island becomes a focal point, a symbol of government indifference
Speaker 3: towards the Indigenous, and sober claiming it amidst these communities
Speaker 3: is a powerful rallying cry, Let's get the rock. A
Speaker 3: fire destroys the American Indian Center in San Francisco in
Speaker 3: October in nineteen sixty nine, and a new activist group rises.
Speaker 3: Indians of all tribes. Dennis Banks and other members of
Speaker 3: AIM are part of this grand coalition. It's like a supergroup.
Speaker 3: It's like the Avengers of this activism. And at first
Speaker 3: they send a handful of protesters to the island on
Speaker 3: November ninth in nineteen sixty nine. They're led by a
Speaker 3: college student from the Mohawk community guide him Richard Oaks.
Speaker 3: They last maybe like around twenty four hours. They're there,
Speaker 3: around twenty four hours. They get forced out, but they
Speaker 3: see it as a success. And Oaks has a great
Speaker 3: quote about this from the San Francisco Chronicle.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a success and that people are noticing that
Speaker 4: it's taking place, and they can't help but notice what
Speaker 4: it represents. And he said, if a one day patient
Speaker 4: by white men on Indian land years ago established squatters' rights,
Speaker 4: then the one day occupation of Alcatraz should establish Indian
Speaker 4: rights to the.
Speaker 3: Island, reciprocities to show a drug to shame. It did work,
Speaker 3: but it did. I love your point there. It didn't
Speaker 3: work in terms of physical occupation, but it did work
Speaker 3: in terms of what I would call mental occupation and awareness.
Speaker 3: It actually raised awareness. And this is a lesson that
Speaker 3: a lot of those are SATs fundraisers from the very
Speaker 3: wealthy who are like, oh, we're throwing this opulent ball
Speaker 3: to raise awareness of people we've never met and don't
Speaker 3: really care about. That's a lesson you could take philanthropists. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I walked down the street from that one. But it
Speaker 3: is irritating the protesters do make another attempt to seize Alcatraz.
Speaker 3: This is the big one, Paul. If we could get
Speaker 3: some conspiratory oriole adventure music pulsing the rock, you know
Speaker 3: what we're talking about, like the Escape from Alcatraz kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. Perfect, all right, It's November twentieth, nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 3: It's the wee hours pre dawn and occupation force of
Speaker 3: eighty nine men, women and children sail through San Francisco
Speaker 3: Bay under the cover of darkness. They landed Alcatraz. They
Speaker 3: claimed the island for all the indigenous tribes of North America.
Speaker 3: They issue a manifesto addressed to the Great White Father
Speaker 3: and all his people, and they say, look, we're going
Speaker 3: to do what we said we're gonna do. This is
Speaker 3: going to be a school, it's going to be a
Speaker 3: cultural center. We're going to be We're going to make
Speaker 3: a museum as well, and they said, look, we know
Speaker 3: the rules. We'll do what you guys said, Alcatraz is
Speaker 3: ours by rights of discovery.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude, no, come on. They sailed there and
Speaker 2: they discovered.
Speaker 4: That thing, right and as American as hell? Yeah right,
Speaker 4: I mean serious. By the way, is the great white
Speaker 4: father Nixon? Who is the great white father in this
Speaker 4: man It's like the idea of white power. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: got it.
Speaker 3: And they also said, this is my favorite part. This
Speaker 3: is part of why we're telling this story because we
Speaker 3: need some levity here. The group said, Alcatraz, you know,
Speaker 3: it's definitely ours, but if you want, we'll buy it
Speaker 3: from you. We'll give you twenty four dollars worth of
Speaker 3: glass beads and some red cloth.
Speaker 4: Oh this is seek trolling, right yeah, which is supposedly
Speaker 4: the same price that Indians received for the entire island
Speaker 4: of Manhattan, which we know America has gotten some real
Speaker 4: bang for that buck. So once again too shee, I say.
Speaker 4: The activists say there said they didn't mind that the
Speaker 4: island was underdeveloped, and they were even cool with the
Speaker 4: lack of fresh water. Most of them had already I
Speaker 4: mean to our previous point endured far worse conditions on
Speaker 4: the reservations that the United States so graciously bestowed upon them.
Speaker 2: Let's really think about, like the work it would take
Speaker 2: to make a running working all of the stuff that
Speaker 2: this group wanted to do on Alcatraz, just setting up
Speaker 2: the supply lines and everything. Mike, I mean, if you're
Speaker 2: willing to do that, then as a US government, you
Speaker 2: should be like, Okay, that sounds great, take care of
Speaker 2: this problem it. Yeah, it's a huge opportunity, but it's
Speaker 2: just going to be so much work.
Speaker 4: What I mean by an opportunity is an opportunity to
Speaker 4: show collaboration and working together. And maybe it could even
Speaker 4: be it could have been seen as a good pr
Speaker 4: move because the onus of getting the work done is
Speaker 4: on them. So what do we have to lose. We
Speaker 4: give them the island, say go for it, and then
Speaker 4: if they do do it, then that's an example of
Speaker 4: Native American ingenuity that has been bolstered by the magnanimous
Speaker 4: acts of Uncle Sam.
Speaker 3: Uh huh do do?
Speaker 4: First?
Speaker 3: Secondly? Secondly, agreed, agreed. The issue we have to remember
Speaker 3: from from the federal perspective, at this time, this was
Speaker 3: close to capitulating to terrorism. Right. It was seeming both statisqut.
Speaker 4: It just seems so short sighted.
Speaker 3: Well, who are we to who are we to judge
Speaker 3: good folks like Hoover and Nixon.
Speaker 2: The conspiracy boy we are, Well how did Nixon respond?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Thank you? They the set up the Yeah, the
Speaker 3: administration opted to buy their time. They said, look, we
Speaker 3: are not gonna this might be a bit of a
Speaker 3: lose lose Kobayashi Maru, but the lesser loss is to
Speaker 3: not interfere. The greater loss is violent intervention, a siege
Speaker 3: of Alcatraz. So they said, as long as these protesters
Speaker 3: remain peaceful, eventually they're going to run out of stuff.
Speaker 3: They're like, we all know about this isle. Eventually, to
Speaker 3: the point we're making about supply chains, we're going to
Speaker 3: run out of support there. These folks leave, This will
Speaker 3: also exit the news cycle. Yet celebrities joined in. This
Speaker 3: is around the time that we see this ground swell
Speaker 3: of like Jane Fond of Marlon Brando support. The band
Speaker 3: Credence Clearwater gave the protesters their own boat to help
Speaker 3: with supply lines.
Speaker 4: It was called the clear Water Thank God. Credence is
Speaker 4: in the mix, y'all. You know that's when you know
Speaker 4: things are taking the bizarret available. He was unavailable for
Speaker 4: seven reasons. Sorry, I guess I when I was talking
Speaker 4: earlier about like it could have been a pr opportunity,
Speaker 4: I guess the US did sort of act in the
Speaker 4: way that I was describing. They didn't like stage a
Speaker 4: siege of the protests. You know, they didn't intervene with violence.
Speaker 4: They basically left them to their own devices for a time.
Speaker 4: But I guess that did not go on forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a very long time for an occupation.
Speaker 3: It's quite extraordinary, actually, And even as the protest was
Speaker 3: still underway in let's say July of nineteen seventy, then
Speaker 3: President Nixon gave a speech saying his version of like,
Speaker 3: oh good. He said, the time has come for a
Speaker 3: new era in which the Indian future is determined by
Speaker 3: Indian acts and Indian decisions. Now, a lot of activists
Speaker 3: would argue that was the original era of Native American communities,
Speaker 3: but the US government did later return millions of acres
Speaker 3: of ancestral land to indigenous communities. They passed a bunch
Speaker 3: of legislative proposals. And be careful how I say this.
Speaker 3: That seemed to support tribal autonomy, which led to some
Speaker 3: of the stuff we're talking about now, like or we
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, you know, the idea of tribal police, the
Speaker 3: idea of a government within a government on a reservatione.
Speaker 4: So isn't he essentially saying like, we would like it
Speaker 4: to go back to you guys governing and taking care
Speaker 4: of yourselves without us having to help you similar So
Speaker 4: it seems like that's the vibe, like here, we'll give
Speaker 4: you back some of this stuff that we took, but
Speaker 4: we are now basically more or less washing our hands
Speaker 4: of you.
Speaker 3: There were lights, well there were let me be clear,
Speaker 3: there there were concrete pieces of legislation here that that
Speaker 3: did provide means of support and transition to.
Speaker 4: Being too hard, I mean it's hard not to be,
Speaker 4: especially given the first half of the podcast and all
Speaker 4: of the gnarly stuff we did and how long it
Speaker 4: took to act. So I apologize if I'm going a
Speaker 4: little too hard on old uncle Sammy Boyle.
Speaker 3: I don't think is necessary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just you.
Speaker 3: So the Indian rights organizations continued, however, because a promise
Speaker 3: from the American government, as you might assume, is treated
Speaker 3: a little bit skeptically by these communities. Why is that, Well,
Speaker 3: you know, they're Google search away, folks. So Indian rights
Speaker 3: organizations also were galvanized by the imperfect yet clear success
Speaker 3: of the Alcatraz occupation. We saw a later protest at
Speaker 3: Plymouth Rock about Rushmore, at the Bureau of Indian Affairs
Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. Dozens and dozens of other sites.
Speaker 3: Should we talk a little bit about that BI A occupation.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we should, because this happened in the
Speaker 2: heart of Washington, d C. Which, as we know, the
Speaker 2: FBI don't take kindly to people who mess around in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. In their neck woods. And this act what
Speaker 2: occurred here is in my opinion at least guys, what
Speaker 2: galvanized the a lot of the FBI movement to really
Speaker 2: crack down on the American Indian movement and all of
Speaker 2: these movements that are occurring at this time. So yeah,
Speaker 2: let'slet's dive in what exactly did they do physically. They're
Speaker 2: at the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Speaker 3: So this is a culmination of some earlier protests, some
Speaker 3: traveling protests, and when they arrive, when AIM arrives in
Speaker 3: DC inside the Beltway, they take over the US Department
Speaker 3: of the Interior building. This is the reason they do
Speaker 3: it is because this is what houses the Bureau of
Speaker 3: Indian Affairs. And they occupy it from November three to
Speaker 3: November ninth, nineteen seventy two. In a peaceful way. Okay,
Speaker 3: so they're not busting heads, they're not zip tie in
Speaker 3: folks and you know, throwing around nooses and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But it's going to internal FBI memos. They are violent
Speaker 2: and they stole a bunch of documents and broke a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff inside.
Speaker 3: My god, my diary.
Speaker 2: Well, just from the FBI's perspective, they're like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is super violent and dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they said, look, we'll leave this building after
Speaker 3: the White House promises to address most of their concerns.
Speaker 3: This is around the time they release something called the
Speaker 3: twenty Points, which primarily addresses violations of other treaties or
Speaker 3: previous treaties, and inner Agency Task Force is going to
Speaker 3: be created. The Nixon administration works with them, They negotiate
Speaker 3: with them, and they say, okay, we'll have some folks
Speaker 3: from the Nixon administrations, representatives from the White House involved
Speaker 3: with you know what name the Indian activist organizations you want,
Speaker 3: we will have them with us at the table. Everybody
Speaker 3: will have a seat at the table. We're also going
Speaker 3: to have more legislation offering more autonomy to tribes. But
Speaker 3: that's not the end of the story, because folks, if
Speaker 3: you've listened this long, you know what kind of show
Speaker 3: we are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we said that occupation ended on November ninth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two. On November eleventh, nineteen seventy two, there
Speaker 2: was a memorandum sent within the FBI that identified the
Speaker 2: American Indian movement as a dangerous threat and they were
Speaker 2: now going to treat them as they had been treating
Speaker 2: the Black Power movement and the other civil rights movements exactly.
Speaker 2: And you can read these documents online. You can find them.
Speaker 2: There's a great section where I'm just going to read
Speaker 2: this really quickly, guys. This is an internal memo that
Speaker 2: was sent by W. Mark Felt, the acting Associate Director
Speaker 2: of the FBI, to the special Agent in charge in Albany,
Speaker 2: New York, and he said each Special Agent in charge
Speaker 2: should have a survey conducted and following data should be
Speaker 2: furnished to headquarters. Approximate number of Indians residing within the division,
Speaker 2: number of reservations, including the number of Indians residing therein,
Speaker 2: identity of tribes within the division, and identity of any
Speaker 2: known extremist organizations or extremist individuals active within the Indian community,
Speaker 2: including the Bureau file number if any.
Speaker 4: So this is just short of placing them on a
Speaker 4: domestic terrorist watch list, right, essentially the same thing. It
Speaker 4: is the same thing, Yeah, okay, And.
Speaker 2: That's just a couple days after that occupation ended, and
Speaker 2: I think it's because it was at the heart of DC.
Speaker 3: And you could smell it on the wind. Things were
Speaker 3: turning violent. We're going to take a pause for a
Speaker 3: word from our sponsors and then we'll get further into this, and.
Speaker 4: We're back, guys really quickly. I'm sorry, no, I don't
Speaker 4: want to get political here, but what happened on January sixth,
Speaker 4: You know, with these folks that literally invaded you know,
Speaker 4: government buildings and absolutely smashed stuff up and injured you know, personnel,
Speaker 4: it feels like the reaction to this Native American protest
Speaker 4: in DC is treated much more harshly than those good
Speaker 4: white folks that smashed up you know, government property.
Speaker 2: While that's a weird thing because that you know, you
Speaker 2: read in the news there are people getting jail sentences
Speaker 2: for their actions they took on that day.
Speaker 4: Just continue divide. There's a divide. I guess it's more
Speaker 4: rhetorical divide. So maybe maybe I'm overthinking it a little bit,
Speaker 4: but I don't know. It's just it's it's weird.
Speaker 2: I would just point to the actions specifically that the
Speaker 2: FBI took back then in nineteen seventy two. One of
Speaker 2: the primary ways that they wanted to get that information
Speaker 2: that we referenced before the break in that memo was
Speaker 2: to create informants within the movements. Like that was their
Speaker 2: primary goal, get people who will snitch within the organization.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing they did with the Civil rights movement.
Speaker 2: Think about what was his name, William O'Neil, who was
Speaker 2: working like right next to Fred Hampton, and you know,
Speaker 2: at least arguably caused Fred Hampton's death and then took
Speaker 2: his own life. And there were you know, there are
Speaker 2: other there are all kinds of infiltrations of groups like this,
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go down this
Speaker 2: rabbit hole, y'all, but like, I don't even know how
Speaker 2: I got here.
Speaker 4: Oh, I dug, I dug the hole. I dug the
Speaker 4: hole with the insurrectionist question.
Speaker 3: First, I would also check out our earlier episode is
Speaker 3: the FBI Manufacturing Terrorist. That is a darkly hilarious story. Second,
Speaker 3: can you guys catch me up January what what?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw that. There's
Speaker 2: a viral song that came out about how nobody gives
Speaker 2: an f about January sixth. It is very funny. You
Speaker 2: should find it. I don't know what it's called. Who
Speaker 2: the artist? Is very funny but and poignant actually, But
Speaker 2: I was I was kind of going all of that
Speaker 2: way to get to our exploration of the FBI and
Speaker 2: other groups, infiltration of like white supremacist, white nationalist movements
Speaker 2: and other movements like that, like far right extremists, just
Speaker 2: like far left extremists. There was a great piece in
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone recently about the work of agent Scott B.
Speaker 2: And I'm doing that with quotation marks, who was an
Speaker 2: actual FBI agent, not an informant, who went undercover for
Speaker 2: decades in a group in various groups like that, Neo
Speaker 2: Nazi groups, white nationalist groups. I would say that that
Speaker 2: kind of infiltration into groups that were probably present on
Speaker 2: January sixth. Is one of the reasons why there's so
Speaker 2: much information that so many people are going to jail.
Speaker 3: It's also one of the few I'll say it, I
Speaker 3: should be careful about this, but it's also one of
Speaker 3: the few viable human too operations that you can do now.
Speaker 3: And the folks who are doing those of operations, just
Speaker 3: to be clear, they are risking their lives. Actually you
Speaker 3: could say they're losing their lives in some sense either way.
Speaker 3: And you know, we have to remember that regardless of
Speaker 3: what you may think personally about a given organization that
Speaker 3: is being infiltrated in this way, the aim of those agents,
Speaker 3: or i should say the goal of those agents is
Speaker 3: is anewable cause. They're hoping to save lives, and they're
Speaker 3: usually when they move past monitoring to intervention, it's typically
Speaker 3: in an effort to curtail a mass casualty event. Just
Speaker 3: to be absolutely sometimes and sometimes you lose the way.
Speaker 3: Mission creep is real, right, think.
Speaker 2: About the infiltration of the SELC and and you know,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of lives about.
Speaker 3: The modern day to be I'm not talking about the
Speaker 3: crazy racist go and tell prost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2: No, I'm totally with you. I just I think about
Speaker 2: the stuff the alleged informants that were all around Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King Junior right towards the end of his life. Well,
Speaker 2: there are some that are alleged that are known figures
Speaker 2: that are not out as an informant right now, at
Speaker 2: least in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 3: Just got some sweet pundit and publishing deals.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, And we also think about we mentioned
Speaker 2: William O'Neil, who I'm sorry to derail us again, guys,
Speaker 2: but if you think about the way that an informant
Speaker 2: can be created, if you think about William O'Neill, who
Speaker 2: was eighteen years old and got caught driving a stolen
Speaker 2: vehicle across state lines by an FBI agent and they
Speaker 2: immediately swooped in, like when he's eighteen years old, and
Speaker 2: they said, hey, you know, this can all go away.
Speaker 2: We'll even give you a little stipend every month if
Speaker 2: you just tell us what's going on within your organization.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of how it can happen. And it's
Speaker 2: for me that freaks me out. And when I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about the American Indian Movement, and you know, as we're
Speaker 2: moving through time here, just the potential for this that
Speaker 2: kind of intervention, specifically by the FBI or by like
Speaker 2: Homeland Security or some other group like that.
Speaker 3: You want to leverage a problem because ultimately you want
Speaker 3: to control an asset. It's okay to pay somebody, but
Speaker 3: you can't really trust somebody if you're just paying them,
Speaker 3: And it's tough to trust somebody just for ideology. So
Speaker 3: one thing the US and Russia have historically been very
Speaker 3: successful about at domestically and abroad is stuff like honey traps,
Speaker 3: stuff to where you get somebody to say yes to something,
Speaker 3: and then you you normalize that and you expand that
Speaker 3: over to window of action right such to such such
Speaker 3: that the asset, the mole, the informant, whomever, must always
Speaker 3: play ball, because now the consequences for not playing ball
Speaker 3: are far worse. Right, that's what you want to do.
Speaker 3: You want to get your hooks in them, and it
Speaker 3: happens around the world because it's a tremendously effective strategy.
Speaker 3: So I think those are really good points. Earlier, we
Speaker 3: were talking about how things turned violent in the case
Speaker 3: of the American Indian Movement to Uncle Sam post dc
Speaker 3: as who pointed out even before DC to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, AIM and similar Native American activist organizations have
Speaker 3: moved from inconvenience to threat. Alcatraz was probably one of
Speaker 3: the fulcrum points for that because it lasted for more
Speaker 3: than a year. The US suppression of AIM throughout these
Speaker 3: multiple protests, some of which were violent, like in the Dakotas,
Speaker 3: they sowed the seeds for this. For this seventy one
Speaker 3: day siege in February of nineteen seventy three, the AIM
Speaker 3: leader at the time, Russell Means, and his organization took
Speaker 3: over a small Native American community of wounded in South Dakota,
Speaker 3: and they were protesting enormous local tensions right further discrimination
Speaker 3: against the Native population. FBI agents are immediately dispatched to
Speaker 3: remove the occupiers. They cordon off the area, they refuse
Speaker 3: to allow the press inside. There's a standoff, a siege really,
Speaker 3: that goes on for seventy one days. People are firing,
Speaker 3: there is live fire. All told, two Native American activists
Speaker 3: are killed, fourteen or wounded, two g men, two FBI
Speaker 3: agents are killed two or wounded. One guy disappeared, and
Speaker 3: people still aren't sure what happened to him. His name
Speaker 3: is Ray Robinson, African American civil rights activist, you know,
Speaker 3: is an ally for this cause. He's believed to have
Speaker 3: been murdered. But I think even now, as we record
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, the question is still open, is
Speaker 3: that correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So altoll twelve hundred people are arrested at the conclusion
Speaker 3: of this siege, including the Dennis Banks, whom we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 3: co founder of AIM. The leaders get tried in a
Speaker 3: court in Minnesota. The trial last eight months and they
Speaker 3: get acquitted of everything, which is pretty unusual to be
Speaker 3: quite honest, I'm sure there were many members of the
Speaker 3: US public who are saying, hey, no, lock them up
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, it's intense, especially considering four people died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's so much more of this story. These
Speaker 3: events don't just echo the earlier events of the civil
Speaker 3: rights movement. They also foreshadow government approaches to other standoffs,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean the Waco disaster would be an example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think about Ruby Ridge too. I think
Speaker 2: those are the two things that at least in America,
Speaker 2: maybe we think about it from stuff we've learned in school,
Speaker 2: but it is astonishing to imagine that this went on
Speaker 2: for over seventy days, when something like Ruby Ridge went
Speaker 2: on for only ten days. And I have never heard
Speaker 2: of this before, and there.
Speaker 3: Is so much more for us to get to. In fact,
Speaker 3: we earlier in the course of our mutual research, we
Speaker 3: made the decision to follow up with an episode entirely
Speaker 3: about Leonard Peltier, who, as of July second, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: was again denied parole. There's so much this story, It's
Speaker 3: going to be another episode in the future.
Speaker 2: Do you uner just give a mini background on who
Speaker 2: that person is so people can look into it if
Speaker 2: they want to and or wait for our episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Leonard Peltier is alive, a member of the
Speaker 3: American Indian Movement was He is officially convince two counts
Speaker 3: of homicide first degree murder of two federal agents, Ronald
Speaker 3: Arthur Williams and Jack Ross Kohler, both special agents for
Speaker 3: the FBI. His trials enormously controversial. A ton of the
Speaker 3: witness testimony is wonky. Allegations of conspiracy are as our
Speaker 3: pal Frank would say, wide rife. Yes, right. We also
Speaker 3: know that many of the people who are involved in
Speaker 3: his initial trial, who are involved in his conviction have
Speaker 3: later renegged on their conclusions and believe that this was
Speaker 3: a stitch up by the Feds.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: It reminds me there's so many connections here to the
Speaker 2: American Indian movement and the civil rights movement. It reminds
Speaker 2: me of our interview with Mossy Secret his show Radical,
Speaker 2: where we talked about himam Jamil Abdullah Almehan, who was
Speaker 2: well was formerly known as h Rap Brown, a black
Speaker 2: power activist who is accused of killing a police officer
Speaker 2: right and has been in jail and is and has
Speaker 2: been denied parole and all that stuff so many times.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting how close that connection is at what
Speaker 2: important point for us to bring home? Folks, fell a
Speaker 2: conspiracy realists. It's something you may deal with on this show.
Speaker 2: It's something we deal with constantly. You don't have to
Speaker 2: personally agree with someone's ideology or their aims or you know,
Speaker 2: whatever their weird vision board is to clock when there
Speaker 2: is a conspiracy afoot, you know what I mean? The
Speaker 2: law should apply equally to all people, which should well,
Speaker 2: and the allegations and thoughts of a potential conspiracy are
Speaker 2: not aided when the FBI is actively a conspiring conspiring
Speaker 2: yeah so, and they were doing the same thing with
Speaker 2: the Islamic with various Islamic communities around the world, especially
Speaker 2: if you think about the early two thousands.
Speaker 4: I mean, just h it.
Speaker 2: It really bothers me.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: The other thing we should note, by the way, is
Speaker 2: that right after a lot of this stuff that we
Speaker 2: were talking about in nineteen seventy six, we were talking
Speaker 2: about the infiltration of the American Indian Movement by the FBI.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy six, the Church Committee and the Pike
Speaker 2: Committee both came back with their findings and they basically
Speaker 2: outlawed most of those activities, the autonomous spying on Americans
Speaker 2: by the FBI, right like, just we do it on
Speaker 2: our own and no oversight, nobody knows. And then that's
Speaker 2: around the time when FISA courts come around and all
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 3: Which were great for the rubber stamped industry.
Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, they're also it's also great when you
Speaker 2: create an entirely new department like the Department of Homeland Security,
Speaker 2: which is still a dumb name, because now they can
Speaker 2: just spy on people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to five eyes. Here's what we can
Speaker 3: tell you. If you want to learn more about Leonard Peltier,
Speaker 3: an example in advance of our episode entirely about this story,
Speaker 3: check out his memoir from nineteen ninety nine prison writings,
Speaker 3: My Life is My Sun Dance. The American Indian Movement
Speaker 3: continues today. They've got a website, they've got a numbers
Speaker 3: of social media accounts. They ally with a lot of
Speaker 3: other protests and activist organizations. You learn more about them there.
Speaker 3: The fight for regardless of how you feel about the
Speaker 3: events of the past or protest pasting current, the fight
Speaker 3: for rights of Native Americans is inherently it's the fight
Speaker 3: that every American should agree with. It continues here in
Speaker 3: the United States as well as in Canada, and it
Speaker 3: will continue because the consequences of the past themselves continue
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