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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: with you. Let me tell you about Justin Vanforth. He's

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Speaker 1: been exploring paranormal phenomena, the UFO topic, reports of men

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Speaker 1: in black, other areas of really high strangeness for close

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Speaker 1: to two decades. He lectures on the subject, collaborates with

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Speaker 1: researchers on cases, consults with folks worldwide to better understand

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Speaker 1: whatever it is is happening. Justin is a very creative

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Speaker 1: professional by trade. He works in advertising and marketing and

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Speaker 1: equally strange world on its own, and despite an active schedule,

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Speaker 1: he finds time to write content for his website, Normal

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Speaker 1: Paranormal dot org. Justin, welcome to the show, and what

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Speaker 1: a great job you did on the Spectrum. It's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh thanks, George, it's an honor to be on this show. Well,

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Speaker 1: look forward to this hot Tell me how an advertising

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Speaker 1: executive god involved in the strange and paranormal. That's a

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Speaker 1: great question, you know, it's a well, like you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: it's a strange world working in advertising and marketing. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: run into run into a lot of strange people. But

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Speaker 1: I have to say, when I put it into when

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Speaker 1: I compare that to the paranormal, the paranormal actually seems

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Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more normal sometimes. When did

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Speaker 1: you start the website normal paranormal dot org. Oh goodness,

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Speaker 1: I started that. Let's see her maybe, I want to

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Speaker 1: say two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. Perhaps.

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Speaker 1: Originally it started off as just like a little forum

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Speaker 1: that I invited people to on social media and just

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a way to kind of like, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, share theories and stories and all that sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff. And then I started finding out that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are explained we're experiencing in these sort

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Speaker 1: of phenomena, and um, there was a lot of similarities

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Speaker 1: between all of it. Oh my gosh, why do you

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Speaker 1: start getting calls? Next hour? You'll find out. I mean

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Speaker 1: they're everywhere, they really are for it. In terms of

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Speaker 1: your particular interest, was there an episode or was there

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Speaker 1: something paranoral that happened to you that got you into this?

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Speaker 1: Well I always tell people that, you know, we don't

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Speaker 1: go out seeking this sort of weird stuff. It sort

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Speaker 1: of seeks us out. I still haven't found out why

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Speaker 1: that happens. But it's like certain people are kind of

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Speaker 1: like I guess, you know, predetermined to experience this. For me,

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Speaker 1: you know, I used to also explain people that I

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Speaker 1: grew up in a haunted house. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: earliest memories of the supernatural taking place in my own life.

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Speaker 1: But yet when I look back on it as an adult,

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Speaker 1: I think I need to start referring to it as

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Speaker 1: more of like a haunted experience than just a haunted house. Since,

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Speaker 1: you know, a haunted house often tied to a physical location,

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Speaker 1: but there can also be haunted people. There could also

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Speaker 1: be situations that, you know, cause this activity just to

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Speaker 1: kind of manifest more so than other other places. Well

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Speaker 1: that's so true, it really is. And yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: like any haunted houses. I don't like them at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people think it's cool to live in

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Speaker 1: a haunted house. But yet when you hear some of

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Speaker 1: this testimony from people who have enduring it, you know,

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Speaker 1: or who are enduring it like day in and day out,

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Speaker 1: like it's it's very trying on them, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's very it wears them down after a while. And

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, my parents were going through

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Speaker 1: Now I have sort of like a fragmented memory of it,

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Speaker 1: so I can't really tell you exactly what happened. So instead,

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Speaker 1: what I what I've done now is I've interviewed my parents,

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Speaker 1: talk about some various cases that you've illustrated in the spectrum.

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Speaker 1: But is this your first book? It is? Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: that's pretty good. You hit a home run on your

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Speaker 1: first try. Oh great, Thank you so much. And it's

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Speaker 1: it's out now. People can get it. Yeah, it's out

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Speaker 1: now on Amazon, and there's a tiny little bookstore in

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Speaker 1: we are. You've looked at a couple of individuals in

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Speaker 1: And after that, I was like, wow, is this for real?

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Speaker 1: Now these calls in anticipation of tonight's show. I actually

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Speaker 1: put them on my website so your audience can go there.

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Speaker 1: I was noticing that in the just weird cases, aren't

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Speaker 1: like um impersonation type thing, is years prior to these

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Speaker 1: The Spectrum. His website linked up at Coast to coastam

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Speaker 1: dot com is a normal paranormal that's the name of it,

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Speaker 1: Normal per normal dot org. And who do you think

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Speaker 1: the men in black might be? Justin Oh my goodness. Um,

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Speaker 1: should say is they're government agents, right, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're always appearing slightly off. It's almost like they're trying

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Speaker 1: like I said, they don't always appear in the stereotypical

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Speaker 1: there are there are definitely some some strange encounters. UM.

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Speaker 1: When you look back through UFO lore, there's UM. Originally

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Speaker 1: there was there are reports of people being threatened by

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Speaker 1: these these guys, you know, if you want to call

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Speaker 1: don't even make any sense. At first, I thought, maybe

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Speaker 1: that's why they're there, right to threaten people, to scare

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Speaker 1: them talking about this. But now I'm beginning to think

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Speaker 1: maybe there's another agenda. Maybe it's more of like a

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like an information gathering or a let's

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Speaker 1: see how people react to this, or I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's I wish I had answers, but I just have

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