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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.
Speaker 2: Our colleague Noel is on quite an adventure, but will
Speaker 2: be returning shortly.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 1: super producer Alexis, code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
Speaker 1: you are you. You are here. That makes this the
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Folks, it is Thursday,
Speaker 1: if you're hearing this, the evening this show publishes, which
Speaker 1: means it is time for Doc Matt and yours truly
Speaker 1: to present some messages from you.
Speaker 2: Matt.
Speaker 1: We have quite a we've got quite a cavalcade here.
Speaker 1: We always think. We always walk away wishing we could
Speaker 1: add a couple of more, But our journey continues. I
Speaker 1: don't know where would you like to start. I haven't
Speaker 1: a full disclosure. I haven't heard all of these.
Speaker 2: Oh well, many of these are just humorous to me.
Speaker 2: So maybe let's start there. Let's just get silly, Let's
Speaker 2: have a let's have a silly day this Thursday. This
Speaker 2: voicemail comes to us from an anonymous human being in Illinois.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, while we're on the way to Illinois, Matt,
Speaker 1: when's the last time we just did something spontaneous and
Speaker 1: fun other than you know, in LA.
Speaker 2: Basically, I don't know. We were in Los Angeles, but
Speaker 2: not on Easter Sunday. We were not there that day,
Speaker 2: all right, So let's hear from this anonymous so and
Speaker 2: so in Illinois.
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, this is anonymous from Beyond Stay to America,
Speaker 3: Central Illinois to the eleven thirty three, which is a
Speaker 3: little ominous, but I'm extremely bored. I just had an epiphany.
Speaker 3: Lutens cherry cough suppressants from the old days, the cough drops.
Speaker 3: They look like really good ones. They classify as the
Speaker 3: world's best candy ever made.
Speaker 4: Debate me.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, lifetime obsession, lifetime appreciation for all you guys
Speaker 3: and what you do. So George chosen, God, bless or
Speaker 3: universe be timed to you and yours for eternity or
Speaker 3: until you stop having brain activity pace.
Speaker 2: There we go, Anonymous.
Speaker 1: A couple couple points on this one. Matt. You know,
Speaker 1: I no hate to any of the fifty states in
Speaker 1: this great American experiment. But I will say that I
Speaker 1: have most often heard not central Illinois, but Maryland described
Speaker 1: as the armpit of America. I'm not saying I agree.
Speaker 1: That's just what i've heard most interesting.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Well, I don't know about that. But what I
Speaker 2: do know about is the r Yes, Ohio, I haven't.
Speaker 1: Got doc chim oh man.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: See Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: Look look I got a lot of family in Ohio.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we don't want to compromise.
Speaker 2: Come on, now, Ohio is pretty great, especially especially the
Speaker 2: Akron area. Uh okay, so Loudin's cherry cough suppressants. I
Speaker 2: have very specific memories of being sick as a child.
Speaker 2: I was a very sickly boy. I don't know if
Speaker 2: everybody knows this, A very very sickly boy had one
Speaker 2: of those machines that helped me breed because I had asthma.
Speaker 2: And when I was having trouble breathing or coughing a lot,
Speaker 2: I got it such a specific memory of a Luden's
Speaker 2: cherry cough drop and it was like candy, and I
Speaker 2: loved it, and I always wanted to eat more of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, my parents are like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not candy, that's a that's a medicine.
Speaker 1: I've met your parents and they do sound like they
Speaker 1: would say.
Speaker 2: That they're from Ohio. I don't know if I mentioned that,
Speaker 2: but it was I don't know, it's so good. I
Speaker 2: kind of I kind of agree with you, Anonymous Illinois.
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, that's I don't know, I'm amazing candy.
Speaker 1: It's always tough to pick the best of something, but
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I remember the same way.
Speaker 1: It looks like we were both playing those kids in
Speaker 1: a parable or a drug PSA. I had a Luden's
Speaker 1: Wild Cherry when I was when I was young, and
Speaker 1: then as soon as I was able to operate a
Speaker 1: car legally or not, I remember thinking, wait, you can
Speaker 1: just buy these. You don't need a doctor or your
Speaker 1: parents to get one, and I went overboard. Honestly, it
Speaker 1: was like it was as though I were a chain smoker,
Speaker 1: but with Luden's throat drops oh, which I think they
Speaker 1: were called, which is also a weird name.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing the term cough drops on their packaging,
Speaker 2: and Doc just chimed in to say one used to
Speaker 2: just eat those.
Speaker 1: You get a doc.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's something fascinating that I didn't know until just now.
Speaker 2: Luden's was created by a gentleman named William H. Luden
Speaker 2: way back in the eighteen hundreds. And guess what they
Speaker 2: made cough suppressants and candy.
Speaker 1: Uh So it turns out anonymous in Illinois, you are
Speaker 1: not DELUDINID. Oh. There is, especially in the United Kingdom
Speaker 1: and in the United States, there is a heck of
Speaker 1: a ven diagram between things that are considered candy versus
Speaker 1: things that are considered medicinal. Right, there are quite a
Speaker 1: few things you can like. I can't remember where we're
Speaker 1: talking about this. It was on this show. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of multivitamins. Oh, in our Supplements episode, a
Speaker 1: lot of multi vitamins you can eat just like candy,
Speaker 1: because those things are belicious.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they are. Oh my gosh. I also didn't
Speaker 2: know this.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: Frank Zappa, I don't know how we would describe him
Speaker 2: other than a musician and like go up and Comer'm
Speaker 2: pretty mind blowing in a lot of his concepts in
Speaker 2: music styles. His music was used in a Louden's Cough
Speaker 2: Drops commercial from nineteen sixty seven. That just blew my mind.
Speaker 1: Again, I didn't know that Pfizer bought Ludens at one
Speaker 1: point in two thousand and six. Again, medicine and candy. Matt,
Speaker 1: I do have an interesting question, I think for the
Speaker 1: class here, fellow conspiracy realist, the best candy is a
Speaker 1: fascinating question. But I feel it may be a little
Speaker 1: bit too subjective. So write to us and let us
Speaker 1: know what the worst candy is. Oh, that's interesting, somewhat controversial.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be an episode, but we did
Speaker 1: a somewhat controversial series about this some ridiculous history. Because
Speaker 1: no one agrees. They all have some opinions, like, Matt,
Speaker 1: do you have a Do you have a couple of
Speaker 1: candies that you absolutely loathe or bore? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the only one that I won't touch
Speaker 2: after my son goes trigger treating and no offense out
Speaker 2: there to anybody who likes these or you know, the companies.
Speaker 2: But a standard Hershey's milk chocolate bar that is nothing
Speaker 2: but Hershey's milk chocolate, I will not eat it. I
Speaker 2: just I'm not going to do it. I need something
Speaker 2: with a little a little more pizazz going on in
Speaker 2: your candy that for some reason, I feel so weird.
Speaker 2: But American made milk chocolate has a very specific flavor
Speaker 2: to me that I'm not into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is somewhat unique to the United States.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, like, if you if you
Speaker 1: feel that you do not enjoy milk chocolate, try something
Speaker 1: from another country and see what the hubbub is about.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we go Uh, Doc, we're chiming in on
Speaker 1: the lutins. Do you have any strong opinions? Read best
Speaker 1: or worst candy?
Speaker 2: Oh, let's see, we'll give her a second here.
Speaker 1: I didn't see this one coming. Twis is the worst.
Speaker 2: Oh have you ever frozen a TwixT? Doc? If you
Speaker 2: have frozen a twist, you would not have that opinion.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. It changes the entire caramel game.
Speaker 1: Oh, I actually can talk now.
Speaker 3: No, I have not frozen one, because generally speaking, when
Speaker 3: I don't like something, I don't say.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe if I tried this at a few
Speaker 2: different temperatures. Well, look, I'm just gonna request that you
Speaker 2: give it a try next Halloween season. Just see what happens.
Speaker 1: I love that idea, though, because you could apply that
Speaker 1: to a lot of things like, Yeah, I don't usually
Speaker 1: eat nickels, but I've never put them in a freezer
Speaker 1: or superheated them, super heated them crazy. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear your opinions, folks, Best worst candies, where to fall,
Speaker 1: Louden's and twits, gosh.
Speaker 2: All but ben, speaking of just candy or maybe junk food,
Speaker 2: I got one more that I think would fit in
Speaker 2: this segment. If that's okay, Yeah, all right, let's go
Speaker 2: to a message from Keith the Plumber has an interesting
Speaker 2: take that I I just have never heard this before,
Speaker 2: So let's let's go. Oh and by the way, please
Speaker 2: don't consume cough drops like they're candy. They're not candy.
Speaker 2: They have medications in them or some substances that you
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't odeon.
Speaker 1: Right again, the ven diagram of medicine and food. Also
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to say it. You're not my supervisor, right
Speaker 1: If you are about to eat a roll of nickels,
Speaker 1: just put them down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, try not to try not decurrency.
Speaker 1: I know it's like a one day at a time
Speaker 1: than for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: So here we go.
Speaker 2: This is a message from Keith the Plumber.
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, you can call me Chief the Plumber. I
Speaker 5: was listening to tent of your recent episodes and you
Speaker 5: were asking about that's food conspiracy. I've tried it on myself,
Speaker 5: and I've talked to people and they've tried it as well.
Speaker 5: If you eat McDonald's, especially McDonald's truckfort for any McDonald's
Speaker 5: you know, like pig mac whatever will work. Take map
Speaker 5: who are way more likely to plus dream. I do
Speaker 5: it regularly now. I call my McDonald's nap and I
Speaker 5: just have a crazy good time with it. Sometimes it's
Speaker 5: not so good time, but it's it works.
Speaker 3: Check it out. I'll see you guys what I'm so.
Speaker 2: In but I'm down. I never eat there, but let's go.
Speaker 2: I want to try that.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's interesting there, Keith the Plumber, Because
Speaker 1: there is probably a basis to this, it may not
Speaker 1: necessarily be tied to the physical ingredients of the food.
Speaker 1: A huge deal for any for any lucid dreaming enthusiast.
Speaker 1: Ritualization of experience pre sleep is a huge Dare I
Speaker 1: say ingredient you can program yourself?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, And I think you combine that ben with
Speaker 2: the concept of napping like short bursts of sleep, because
Speaker 2: if you can wake yourself up like sleep, and then
Speaker 2: wake yourself up at an interval that like wakes you
Speaker 2: up at a specific point in your sleep cycle, you'll
Speaker 2: at least recall that dream a lot better.
Speaker 1: It's like twenty one to twenty three minute cycles, I
Speaker 1: think exactly.
Speaker 2: So, like maybe it's just a quick nap after a
Speaker 2: bunch of calories right from McDonald's, a bunch of sugars
Speaker 2: in all of the stuff. Maybe maybe there's something to it.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a sugar nap.
Speaker 1: A sugarnap perhaps, But yeah, we know that you can.
Speaker 1: You can teach yourself to your point, Matt, to have
Speaker 1: lucid dreams. I am going to try this adventure you're
Speaker 1: describing teeth, and will report back. In the meantime. I
Speaker 1: have to ask, Matt, do you have lucid dreams on
Speaker 1: a regular basis or have you ever had one?
Speaker 2: Mine?
Speaker 4: Are?
Speaker 2: I wish they were more lucid than they are? I
Speaker 2: would say mildly affected dreams, dreams that I can have
Speaker 2: small amounts of infla on, but very vivid, usually horrifying.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun in this old nogin of mine.
Speaker 2: And when I say fun, I mean horrifying, but yeah.
Speaker 1: You can also reach similar results with just meditation.
Speaker 2: With deep meditation, yeah, I can't do that for some reason.
Speaker 2: My brain doesn't do that, but it does go to
Speaker 2: sleep for these weird little naps and just whoo craziness happens.
Speaker 2: Do you remember a while back we talked about several
Speaker 2: companies and gaming companies. I think it was Microsoft and Xbox.
Speaker 2: I can't recall exactly, but they were trying to like
Speaker 2: somehow get advertisements into dreams. That were testing it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you remember this. It was a while ago.
Speaker 1: It's somewhat redundant at this point to call you a
Speaker 1: mind reader there, but I'm thinking particularly of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one where advertisers were attempting to sort of intersperse advertising
Speaker 1: into dreams. So it's a great Popular Mechanics article about
Speaker 1: this by Caroline Delbert. It was, I believe when we
Speaker 1: first spoke about it and discovered this, we were talking
Speaker 1: about the Mulson Cores beverage company. Okay, I wanted you
Speaker 1: to dream about beers.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it was. I remember the conversation. Now,
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh that is so weird. Look for that
Speaker 2: in the feed if you're interested. That was so weird.
Speaker 1: Targeted dream implantation it's called or TDI, and people have
Speaker 1: been trying to do some version of this since way
Speaker 1: back when people first started peopling, you know, and we
Speaker 1: know that there are ways to implant certain things in
Speaker 1: your dreams because if you are human, the process you
Speaker 1: experience of dreaming is like a hard drive defragging itself,
Speaker 1: so you can put certain data in there and it'll
Speaker 1: run across your conscious mind, right, and it's always, you know,
Speaker 1: it's always, at least me personally fascinating the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that makes it into a non lucid dream. You know,
Speaker 1: there might be you might have an amazing, terrifying roller
Speaker 1: coaster of a day and then you walk through like
Speaker 1: a gas station and someone says, oh, cheetos, and then
Speaker 1: you have this in depth, super vivid dream about Cheetos,
Speaker 1: and that was the least important thing to your conscious
Speaker 1: mind at the time. It's crazy dreams as the editorial
Speaker 1: process of the dream sequence is endlessly fascinating. I don't know,
Speaker 1: do you think we could implant a dream via stuff
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know? I bet we could.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to have a Cheetos dream for sure. Now,
Speaker 2: I just had all kinds of weird image dream my
Speaker 2: head with the orange powders.
Speaker 1: That's part of the implantation device. Is you think of
Speaker 1: sense memory?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 1: Think of the smell, Think of the sound of a
Speaker 1: bag opening, Think of the texture on your fingers, in
Speaker 1: your mouth and on your tongue. Well, we just gave
Speaker 1: people cheeto dreams.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the very specific crunch weird All right? Well, hey,
Speaker 2: it's some strange things, some silly things. Let us know
Speaker 2: what you think about Luden's cherry cough drops and twitch
Speaker 2: and twigs frozen not frozen or good or bad? Best
Speaker 2: and worst candies?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And what is the What is the best food to
Speaker 2: eat just before a nap to induce a lucid dream?
Speaker 1: Why is it cheese?
Speaker 2: And what kind? All right, let us know what you think.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 1: And we have returned Matt. We've got a lot of
Speaker 1: voicemails here because we enacted Operation sports Durth earlier. Do
Speaker 1: we want to round Robin an email?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds great. Do you want to tell people
Speaker 2: what scorched earth is? Really quickly?
Speaker 1: So we have we have a totally reasonable term for
Speaker 1: a thing that you and I do when we want
Speaker 1: to want to go through all of the voicemails that
Speaker 1: we receive, and they add up pretty quickly. So sometimes
Speaker 1: Matt and I will we'll just hit each other up,
Speaker 1: often on like a night or a weekend and say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're doing it. We're going in. It's scorched earth, which
Speaker 1: means our goal is to go through all of the voicemails,
Speaker 1: every single message you send us, including when you call
Speaker 1: and just hang up. Shout out to shout out to
Speaker 1: all the people, by the way, and I'm not even joking,
Speaker 1: shout out to everyone who calls in and just says, hey,
Speaker 1: guys up and hangs up.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, who all wait, I have to tell this story.
Speaker 2: I've got to find it though. Whole of one second,
Speaker 2: I just talk to someone who called in calamity. Chris
Speaker 2: but dialed us while he was making a purchase at
Speaker 2: a store and giving giving out like his loyalty number
Speaker 2: to the cashier and explaining, oh, well that's actually my
Speaker 2: mother's number, this is her name, and he's just having
Speaker 2: a whole conversation. Yeah, So I just called him, like, hey, Chris,
Speaker 2: are you okay? Is everything okay? And he's like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm fine. But it's weird that my parasocial friends are
Speaker 2: calling me more often than my actual friends. This is weird, Chris, Chris,
Speaker 2: We're here for.
Speaker 1: You, Bud's. We love these messages really because, again we
Speaker 1: maybe don't say it often enough, but this show does
Speaker 1: not exist without you. So thank you very much for calling,
Speaker 1: for reaching out on social media. Thank you absolutely for
Speaker 1: writing these emails. We do love the emails. We read
Speaker 1: every single one we get, and there is one in
Speaker 1: particular that stuck out because it hits something that has
Speaker 1: been on our collective minds for some time. I want
Speaker 1: to speak for everyone, definitely for me, the idea of
Speaker 1: human cloning. What's stopping it? Well, we asked, and you responded,
Speaker 1: especially if your name is GGP Scooch. And we'll explain
Speaker 1: that at the end, but I'm going to start this way.
Speaker 1: Just a little Scooch, just a little Scooch, Just a
Speaker 1: little GGP Skeoch, Jents, says Scooch. Following a recent discussion
Speaker 1: you had concerning cloning, I was reminded of a scandal
Speaker 1: from my graduate school days. Doctor Louis Duvall of McGill
Speaker 1: University in Quebec and doctor Brenton Riley of the University
Speaker 1: of Toledo have been partners in research in the late
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties dealing with cloning. They disagreed over the topic
Speaker 1: and morals of human cloning, however, with Duvall in favor
Speaker 1: of going forward with cloning and Riley urging caution, and
Speaker 1: Riley agreed with the majority of scientists and governments that
Speaker 1: the subject was one to be avoided. This disagreement caused
Speaker 1: the two men to end their partnership under less than
Speaker 1: friendly conditions.
Speaker 2: And We're going to round robin here, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to continue on. By the mid nineteen seventies, much progress
Speaker 2: had been made in mammal cloning theory, and both men
Speaker 2: had published extensively concerning their views on extending these theories
Speaker 2: to humans. Deval's position seemed almost militant, and he often
Speaker 2: hinted that he had experimented far beyond legal and ethical
Speaker 2: limits imposed by his peers and governments. Specifically, he covertly
Speaker 2: threatened Riley with some type of retribution for backing out
Speaker 2: of their cooperative research.
Speaker 1: I'm a clone, you dog ooh e already.
Speaker 2: Got your DNA. I'm just gonna make another one of you.
Speaker 2: It's going to repeat your experiments, and we're.
Speaker 4: Going to go for it.
Speaker 1: Cloned, might get cloned. Watch yourself. Scooch didn't write any
Speaker 1: of that. That's that's your faithful correspondence. But the message continues.
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy eight, Riley began having strange experiences where
Speaker 1: people claim to have seen him at places and events
Speaker 1: he had not been at. Others reported he was leading
Speaker 1: a secret second life, one where he was frequenting adult establishments,
Speaker 1: following women with whom he worked at the University of
Speaker 1: Toledo and making lewde suggestions through hundreds sexually explicit telephone
Speaker 1: calls and messages to close family friends, and other out
Speaker 1: of character comments. The stories cost Riley his marriage of
Speaker 1: twenty two years.
Speaker 2: What okay, okay, all right, let's keep going here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got to go back to that for a while.
Speaker 2: Here we go, continuing on with the message, Riley hired
Speaker 2: an attorney and investigator and discovered Duval had actually managed
Speaker 2: to somehow create a full grown human clone of Riley.
Speaker 2: Come on now, hold on, hold on hold the phone.
Speaker 2: The suspected clone was detained by law enforcement following a
Speaker 2: recorded call from a public phone booth. Riley accidentally came
Speaker 2: face to face with both Duval and the Clone when
Speaker 2: he arrived at a courthouse for a hearing on the matter. Enraged,
Speaker 2: Riley attacked the Clone and threw him down a flight
Speaker 2: of stairs, causing the neck to break and the clone
Speaker 2: to die.
Speaker 1: Are okay, okay, all right? Well what happened after that?
Speaker 1: How does arrest of the letters?
Speaker 2: Well, since there had never been rights established for human clones,
Speaker 2: according to the letter, the only charge against Riley was
Speaker 2: making an obscene clone fall.
Speaker 1: The shot you had us in the front. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry Scooch. By the way, I've been GP Scooch, but
Speaker 1: probably must surrender that name to my son, who is
Speaker 1: about to become Grandpa's scooch. That would make me GGP Scooch.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready for that. Maybe I shall become Patter
Speaker 1: Familias or PF Scooch and not that you would need it,
Speaker 1: but permissions for everything are getting granted. Sorry for a
Speaker 1: bit of an April fool's a bit of a shaggy
Speaker 1: dog story, but I gotta tell you a scooch. You
Speaker 1: had me at the first half not gonna lie an
Speaker 1: obscene clone fall and rimshot. Again, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That was that was worth it
Speaker 1: because the way that we handle these things, just so
Speaker 1: you can see a bit backstage, folks, is when we
Speaker 1: get those specifics, like we say, take us to the
Speaker 1: edge of the rabbit hole, We'll do the rest. We're
Speaker 1: looking into this and we're not finding these people, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because you're like for me, imediately, I would
Speaker 2: have stopped there and I would have begun researching and
Speaker 2: trying to find, Okay, well, where how do I back
Speaker 2: this up and like actually be able to say that
Speaker 2: this is something that was occurring.
Speaker 1: Riley and Duval.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, the structure of this is pretty
Speaker 1: great because Scooch, you were careful with the timeline mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You had some things in there that looked specific and
Speaker 1: we just we've asked for puns and by dad, by
Speaker 1: gum we got some and that was That was a
Speaker 1: great one. That just made my day.
Speaker 2: Oh that was so much fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, so so thank you very much, Scooch.
Speaker 1: We are going to go to another voicemail. This brought
Speaker 1: to us by a full body taste who raises some
Speaker 1: interesting questions and maybe we can all play along at
Speaker 1: home and try to suss out whether this part is
Speaker 1: true full body taste.
Speaker 6: For the purposes of this message, you can refer me
Speaker 6: as full bodied taste. I just got done reading the
Speaker 6: twenty nineteen book by often Tom O'Neill Chaos, the CIA
Speaker 6: and Charles Manson kind of goes dives into the Manson
Speaker 6: family and all this other stuff, and it kind of
Speaker 6: draws a bunch of conclusions that I think you guys
Speaker 6: would find interesting. Doesn't definitively say Manson was connected to
Speaker 6: projects like Operation Chaos or mp Alter, but it does
Speaker 6: Tom o'mill was able to uncover quite a lot of
Speaker 6: information kind of connecting those two worlds. I thought that
Speaker 6: was really interesting. Anyway, love your show. Yeah you feel
Speaker 6: pretty use this message. Sorry, I had left one where
Speaker 6: I just swore and hung up.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that one, Ben?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we set that up a little bit. Yeah, this okay.
Speaker 1: So we've talked in the past a little bit about
Speaker 1: the idea that certain violence actors characters in American history
Speaker 1: may have been affiliated with, or indeed the consequence of
Speaker 1: some various government Shenanigans, right, like Ted Kaczynski aka the
Speaker 1: Unibomber was exposed to some pretty nasty stuff in college,
Speaker 1: the Charles Manson CIA stuff. Have you ever heard about this, Matt?
Speaker 2: I have, Actually I've heard some theoretical connections there where
Speaker 2: Manson was somehow part of you know, Mockingbird or some
Speaker 2: of these other projects, like the early projects that became
Speaker 2: what was the LSD experimentation.
Speaker 1: In k Ultra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he was an early person in that, and
Speaker 2: you know, but again it's all rumor, right, none of
Speaker 2: those connections have been like fully tied in, I would say.
Speaker 1: Right, officially substantiated exactly. Yeah, this is this is something
Speaker 1: ran into and I swear years ago when we were
Speaker 1: years ago, we were talking about the Manson case, and
Speaker 1: there's a story that always stood out to me. As
Speaker 1: the group was deteriorating out there in the desert. One
Speaker 1: of the guys who mitigated the disaster of this cult,
Speaker 1: like thinking is a very interesting dude. He was a
Speaker 1: minor m I n er who just who was like
Speaker 1: their closest neighbor. And he's a real spiritual person. I
Speaker 1: even found his website off to pull it up later,
Speaker 1: but he used the same sort of social engineering Darren
Speaker 1: Brown type mentalist tricks that Manson was probably using on
Speaker 1: his followers, or that cult leaders use on their followers.
Speaker 2: And I don't know.
Speaker 1: That always made me think, because there wasn't enough information
Speaker 1: about that guy, and he's very much a what do
Speaker 1: you call He's very much like an unexplained cameo in
Speaker 1: the story, and he does get mentioned in the trials.
Speaker 1: I think Vincent will Lego see who was Lee prosecutor
Speaker 1: mentions him and Helter Skelter. But this idea, this reference
Speaker 1: to Operation Chaos in specific, is very interesting because Operation
Speaker 1: Chaos was a real thing. It was a genuine CIA
Speaker 1: conspiracy to target American citizens, and from what we know
Speaker 1: as the public, it was extant. It was active from
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy four. What they were
Speaker 1: doing was actually a smart thing, or at least a
Speaker 1: necessary thing. They were looking at all the protest movements,
Speaker 1: the various civil rights movements, the anti war movements in particular,
Speaker 1: and they were asking themselves, is their foreign influence and
Speaker 1: what appears to be grassroots action.
Speaker 2: Is somebody messing with us? Why is all of this happening?
Speaker 2: Kind of all at once. Yeah, I remember having conversation
Speaker 2: with my parents just about the end of the sixties
Speaker 2: when they were teenagers and just how weird everything felt.
Speaker 2: And honestly, it feels quite similar to right now, like
Speaker 2: an upending of the way people think about institutions, right
Speaker 2: and the control mechanisms. I don't know, it's very similar
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, shout out to the former and active meteorologist,
Speaker 1: right the Oh that's a joke for like three people.
Speaker 1: So the idea here, you're right, Matt. The idea here
Speaker 1: is that through asymmetrical means, a foreign power through the
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies it would have been Russia will conspire
Speaker 1: to push things. And why is this CIA so worried
Speaker 1: about this at the time, Because they did this in
Speaker 1: other countries. Those students, quote unquote have freedom fighters who
Speaker 1: just happened to be anti democratic far right. They were funded, supplied,
Speaker 1: and trained by the CIA in multiple countries.
Speaker 2: Yep. Look the student groups that were out in California
Speaker 2: and Ohio and other places in the sixties. It's really
Speaker 2: interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Ohio famously not the armpit of the United States.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. I was specifically thinking about Kent
Speaker 2: State University and what we went down there and like
Speaker 2: SDS and some of the other student active like activist groups,
Speaker 2: that were interesting stuff. Some early infiltration that occurred in those.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that can be proven. Right. Also check out
Speaker 1: our earlier episode that kind of speaks to this thematically.
Speaker 1: Did the FBI manufacture terrorist because they found themselves in
Speaker 1: a dangerously surreal situation where the FBI was the FBI
Speaker 1: sent in a mole as essentially to a mosque, and
Speaker 1: with that persona attempted to radicalize people who attended the mosque.
Speaker 1: And the mosque, which is just composed of normal Americans, right,
Speaker 1: the mosque freaked out and their leadership contacted the FBI
Speaker 1: and said, hey, we got a terrorist, please help us.
Speaker 1: Isn't that why we pay taxes? And the FBI looked
Speaker 1: into it, it.
Speaker 2: Was like, ah, yeah, thanks for letting us know.
Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks for letting us know. Swing in a miss.
Speaker 1: I think there's more to say about this before we
Speaker 1: move on. Just what you need to know is that
Speaker 1: the book Chaos Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret
Speaker 1: History of the Sixties by Tom O'Neil proved to be
Speaker 1: very controversial. We agree with you full body taste it
Speaker 1: does raise a lot of fascinating questions. There are some
Speaker 1: holes in Helter Skelter. Tom O'Neill is writing in good faith,
Speaker 1: spent decades researching these links, and he had a lot
Speaker 1: of falling out situations with various publishers. Isn't considered officially
Speaker 1: proven And honestly, Matt, I don't know. I read the book,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I fall on it. But I
Speaker 1: also find it interesting that the CIA made an official
Speaker 1: response to this. They published the thing and just before
Speaker 1: we move on, it might be an episode for future,
Speaker 1: a future show. But here is Here is the review
Speaker 1: by Leslie c from the CIA, just going to give
Speaker 1: you the very first part. Authors or their agents and
Speaker 1: publishers seem unable to resist using the word secret to
Speaker 1: modify that apparently pedestrian word history. Its use meaning secret
Speaker 1: promises something the finished work invariably fails to deliver, implying
Speaker 1: as it does, access to the Eldritch or the Gnostics
Speaker 1: when the reality is often more mundane, and it goes
Speaker 1: on it attempts to absolutely discredit anything that O'Neill wrote
Speaker 1: in Operation Chaos, and one of the questions you have
Speaker 1: to ask, if you like us, are on the fence
Speaker 1: about this kind of narrative is why is the company
Speaker 1: so heated up about this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, they have such a problem. I admit I
Speaker 2: have not read the book, but I hopefully will. I
Speaker 2: don't read many books nowadays, but this is one that
Speaker 2: would actually I would open it and I would not stop.
Speaker 1: You want to do a book club, we'll do a
Speaker 1: book club episode.
Speaker 2: I don't read enough for a book club, but we could. Yes,
Speaker 2: if we do one book, we can do one book club.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Christian Bible. We're going with Operation Chaos. That's the
Speaker 1: one book we're going to read. So we're going to
Speaker 1: also while we are getting a copy that we want
Speaker 1: to hear from you, folks. Do you think it is
Speaker 1: possible that Manson had some ties to the CIA? Would
Speaker 1: you like us to do a full episode on this.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to. We just really need your thoughts,
Speaker 1: your perspective. In the meantime and pause for a word
Speaker 1: from our sponsor, we'll be back with a couple more
Speaker 1: messages from you.
Speaker 2: And we've returned, and I guess we should say we
Speaker 2: are recording this on Wednesday, April tenth, the total solar eclipse,
Speaker 2: at least for parts of the world just occurred on
Speaker 2: April eighth, at least here in North America when it
Speaker 2: was crossing over, and there were some weird things. Ben,
Speaker 2: how did you get to look at it at all
Speaker 2: or do anything for the eclipse? Any rituals?
Speaker 1: It's illegal for you to ask me that. Ah, dang, no, kiddy.
Speaker 1: I was a big fan of it. Had some a
Speaker 1: lot of contacts out in Texas who were racing to
Speaker 1: find areas without too much cloud cover. Here in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: the clouds parted as though by design, just long enough
Speaker 1: to check out a cool eclipse, and then the fog
Speaker 1: rolled back in to shout out for one person in
Speaker 1: the crowd and Viking that was yeah, yeah, And the
Speaker 1: rains came. But yeah, I was hanging out on the
Speaker 1: roof and just vibeing. Man, what about you, sweet?
Speaker 2: Did you get any of the glasses or any of
Speaker 2: the things, like did you make one of those little
Speaker 2: box holes?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I love that. I ended up ordering a couple of
Speaker 2: sets of shades, very specific types of shades, not the
Speaker 2: ones that were recalled in Illinois. I think that's where
Speaker 2: they were messed up. But my son and I and
Speaker 2: my girlfriend we all went outside and we were just
Speaker 2: looking at the eclipse for quite a while. We let
Speaker 2: off sparklers, hung out with the dogs, had a good time,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Uh, there were some
Speaker 2: weird like health effects there We're going on, like some
Speaker 2: feeling super tired, getting headaches going on. Specifically, Well, let's
Speaker 2: let's let's get into this message. And I just want
Speaker 2: to see if there's any connection here for anybody else
Speaker 2: who's listening, or if this is psychosomatic or something weird
Speaker 2: going on because of all the talk about the eclipse
Speaker 2: running up to it, and I would say, all the
Speaker 2: anxiety that was put out into the world.
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear if there's some connections as well.
Speaker 2: So let's hear. This is a message from pe Brain.
Speaker 3: I'm mad. I've been in.
Speaker 7: The code name Pea Brain here.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to bring something up.
Speaker 7: To you all because I don't know. I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 7: I haven't looked into any of this at all, but
Speaker 7: I was looking on Instagram today after the eclipse that happened.
Speaker 7: So it's April eighth or ninth, I can't remember eight,
Speaker 7: So I'm looking on Instagram. My sister in law post
Speaker 7: a picture of the eclipse with the caption that says,
Speaker 7: anybody else feel the headaches and a little naches from
Speaker 7: the eclipse? So many of my girlfriends from work are
Speaker 7: feeling this way as well. So she works in healthcare,
Speaker 7: so you think she would know a little better. But
Speaker 7: I haven't spoken with her about this, by the way,
Speaker 7: But I don't know if this is like she's the
Speaker 7: type of person who believes everything she sees on Facebook
Speaker 7: type of thing, vaccination stuff like that, But I wouldn't
Speaker 7: put her in the classification as like a qan honor
Speaker 7: or anything. But she's not that far down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 7: But I'm wondering if this is some sort of like
Speaker 7: placebo effect that people are reading about and then all
Speaker 7: of a sudden they're starting to feel this way. I'm
Speaker 7: trying to weigh in also to see if other listeners have,
Speaker 7: like Henny, relatives or friends or anybody who has experienced this.
Speaker 7: Love the show, take care, and I appreciate it, thank you.
Speaker 2: Right right. I think there's some specificity in this message
Speaker 2: that maybe is unnecessary. So I don't think it's women, men,
Speaker 2: anybody else that would be specifically pointed out as having
Speaker 2: headaches or health problems, whatever it is. After this whole
Speaker 2: solar eclipse shindig. I think it's way more general than that,
Speaker 2: but I just I want to talk about it because
Speaker 2: it's interesting. At in my household, two of us experienced
Speaker 2: a bit of a headache afterwards, and we had very
Speaker 2: specific glassware on that was supposed to be protective for
Speaker 2: this activity to actually look at the sun, So we
Speaker 2: didn't expect that it would have anything to do with that,
Speaker 2: or at least of the actual act of looking towards
Speaker 2: the sun right right, But it does appear if you
Speaker 2: look online, there are a lot of other folks experiencing
Speaker 2: something like this, So just let's talk about it. What
Speaker 2: are your initial thoughts been.
Speaker 1: Can happen? The first thing we need to say is
Speaker 1: that you should not stare at a solar eclipse without protection,
Speaker 1: without ocular protection, which I think is elementary. But I
Speaker 1: was surprised to learn as of twenty twenty four, about
Speaker 1: thirty percent of people in the United States did not
Speaker 1: know that this could cause permanent eye damage.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? I feel like that's a known thing.
Speaker 1: Well, eclipses don't happen that often, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, but just the sun in general, it's still the sun.
Speaker 1: I hate that thing, man. Yeah, it's just yes, okay,
Speaker 1: but longstanding disagreements with the I get it. Folks, don't
Speaker 1: send the email. I know it's important. I just don't
Speaker 1: vibe with it personally, but I appreciate its work. The
Speaker 1: idea though, here about headaches is a little bit more interesting.
Speaker 1: So we know it's an established fact at staring at
Speaker 1: the sun if you are a human with the unaided eye,
Speaker 1: can cause permanent damage. But the concept of a headache
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different because one of the big
Speaker 1: intervening variables I think we'll get to is is going
Speaker 1: to be the glasses, right or the device you used
Speaker 1: to view the eclipse. And just because somebody might call
Speaker 1: something a placebo effect doesn't make it any less real.
Speaker 1: I would be if we were medical professionals. One of
Speaker 1: the things that we would analyze here would not just
Speaker 1: be the occurrence of temporary headaches, but the length of
Speaker 1: time that headaches occurred for people, Like how long after
Speaker 1: viewing the eclipse did the pain in your head persist?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think that's a big deal because it could be
Speaker 2: what is there's a specific term for it. I was
Speaker 2: reading in time. Solar retinopathy, I think, is the name
Speaker 2: for it, when you're you're actually experiencing eye damage after
Speaker 2: looking at the sun. And this is something that is
Speaker 2: usually usually not just a headache. It is problems with
Speaker 2: vision after looking at the sun. So not just like
Speaker 2: owl my head hurts a little bit after that, or
Speaker 2: even I have a pounding headache after viewing a solar eclipse.
Speaker 2: It is I'm having blurred vision or serious spots, you know,
Speaker 2: in my vision when I'm looking around, and it's accompanied
Speaker 2: with a headache. What was experienced at my house was
Speaker 2: just a headache, like a generalized headache, which, again for
Speaker 2: personal experience for one or two people, it doesn't mean anything, right,
Speaker 2: because there are so many variables. One of us could
Speaker 2: be affected by seasonal allergies, right, which is causing some
Speaker 2: kind of a headache. One of us could just have
Speaker 2: a headache for another reason. One of us could be
Speaker 2: feeling whatever the effects are and going through some kind
Speaker 2: of psychosomatic thing.
Speaker 1: Even something as simple as mild dehydration to cause a headache,
Speaker 1: or people suffering from migraines, light can trigger migraine reaction.
Speaker 1: The issue is that there are headache is such a
Speaker 1: broad term that there are so many things that could
Speaker 1: give you a headache. Like if you've ever been on
Speaker 1: a work zoom meeting for an hour, that's a headache.
Speaker 1: You don't need eclipse for that, isn't it crazy?
Speaker 2: You can get nauseous from just sitting in front of
Speaker 2: a screen for too long, like, you know, especially if
Speaker 2: you've got a fairly large monitor that's putting off a
Speaker 2: ton of light that's very bright, right, and you're in
Speaker 2: a darkened room. Crap the way I am right now,
Speaker 2: you can get eye stream, which causes the same type
Speaker 2: of headache.
Speaker 1: It can also even hack your propriception, right, so you
Speaker 1: can what does that mean? That's you know, like the
Speaker 1: game Mirror's Edge, right, Matt's give me the keep going
Speaker 1: and thumbs up. Okay. So propri eception happens a lot
Speaker 1: in augmented reality or VR. Propri Eception is your body's
Speaker 1: sense of itself in space, and things that give contradicting
Speaker 1: information about your body's place in space will play all
Speaker 1: kinds of hazardous tricks with your mind. And again, you know,
Speaker 1: all your other equipment, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, And then imagine you've been you know, imagining
Speaker 2: the Moon and the Sun and where they are in
Speaker 2: space and where the Earth is in space, and then
Speaker 2: staring at it for a while and really having that
Speaker 2: moment where you're like, oh, wow, I'm this tiny little
Speaker 2: thing on a giant planet, but is nothing compared to
Speaker 2: that giant star? And why is the moon that exact size?
Speaker 2: And oh God, who am I? Where am I?
Speaker 1: What am I? Wow? You sound like I feel like
Speaker 1: I've had that conversation with a lot of dogs.
Speaker 2: But nothing was said. It was just like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was known to each other.
Speaker 1: There is also another thing here that's happening, p brain.
Speaker 1: The eclipse does have effects on people, That's what we're saying.
Speaker 1: It very much does. And these these effects can differ
Speaker 1: person to person outside of the one universal thing, which
Speaker 1: is that looking at this, making eye contact with the
Speaker 1: eclipse will damage your eyes, to be clear, making eye
Speaker 1: contact with the sun, which is whatever. Making eye contact
Speaker 1: with the sun outside of an eclipse will also damage
Speaker 1: your eyes because the sun kind of stinks. You just
Speaker 1: don't feel it while you're staring at an eclipse, so
Speaker 1: you can expose yourself to that for a longer period
Speaker 1: of time. As far as headaches, I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting too, because there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who don't wear any kind of spectacles or contacts or
Speaker 1: corrective lenses. And if you've ever worn, you know, if
Speaker 1: you've got glasses, later in life, you may notice that
Speaker 1: if your prescription is off, or just the experience of
Speaker 1: wearing glasses, it can give you a headache too, because
Speaker 1: your eyes and your brain are saying, what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your eye is literally your eyes are straining to
Speaker 2: see things, and your brain is trying to basically overcompensate
Speaker 2: for the stuff that you can't see very well and
Speaker 2: then the stuff that's too sharp, depending on what your
Speaker 2: prescription is agreed.
Speaker 1: Yet, we also cannot dismiss the psychological or psychosomatic potential
Speaker 1: here because the eclipse took over the news in the
Speaker 1: United States, and so a lot of people who ordinarily
Speaker 1: may not have been as apprehensive or anxious about it,
Speaker 1: we're starting to think to themselves, Oh, it got to me.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can tell. I was mentioning
Speaker 2: it every conversation we had, because I was like, oh, God, well,
Speaker 2: what's going on with certain doing? Oh you know, I
Speaker 2: was reading about indigenous populations in some religious sects that
Speaker 2: will not look at a solar eclipse, groups of people
Speaker 2: who will go inside and make sure all of their
Speaker 2: doors are locked for the entirety that the moon is
Speaker 2: passing across the sun like that. But again for for
Speaker 2: religious reasons often or traditional reasons. But again it's like,
Speaker 2: maybe they know something that I just don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: I should stay inside, but then we didn't.
Speaker 1: That's an anthropological point too. Whenever I hear about the
Speaker 1: practices of ancient civilizations, let me caveat this, the practices
Speaker 1: of ancient civilizations or cultures that are still around today,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hear them out because they're still around, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they made it somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I feel fine though. I think
Speaker 2: my headache went away, so yeah, everything's okay, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what if the if the headaches get
Speaker 1: to and if the solar eclipse makes it impossible for
Speaker 1: us to continue our strange career as podcasters, then you,
Speaker 1: Doc and I could try to get some jobs in
Speaker 1: the military. Right, Is that good idea?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: We could? Yeah, let's do this. I was worried we
Speaker 2: wouldn't have time, but let's hear one last message here
Speaker 2: from Scoop Murphy. I really like Scoop Murphy's.
Speaker 1: Not related to Scooch.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Scoop like Murphy's got the scoop. I
Speaker 2: wonder if it had anything to do with Murphy.
Speaker 1: Brown or I don't know, just Murphy Brown.
Speaker 2: I know me too, and this person's voice. I don't
Speaker 2: know why I'm getting journalists vibes from you, Scoop, but
Speaker 2: that's what I'm getting. So let's hear this message.
Speaker 1: You're probably not Candice Bergen.
Speaker 2: We hope. Here we go.
Speaker 4: Hi, this is Scoop Murphy. Callin from Ethno, Pennsylvania. Guys.
Speaker 4: I just finished listening as I always do, but I
Speaker 4: just finished listening to your show dated March fourth, and
Speaker 4: I wanted to say there was a little bit in
Speaker 4: there about applying for positions with the government and how
Speaker 4: someone without a high school diploma could apply anyway. Bottom line,
Speaker 4: I used to do a lot of contracting with the
Speaker 4: government and what they do when they have a position
Speaker 4: wired and penpointed for somebody or a group in particular,
Speaker 4: that's exactly what they do. They make sure it is
Speaker 4: so detailed that there are only so many people who
Speaker 4: are qualified for that position, so I hope that clears
Speaker 4: it up. But those positions are already earmarked for let's
Speaker 4: say somebody's kids or college graduates who are coming through,
Speaker 4: but they can't really pressed that forward like that. And
Speaker 4: by the way, before I hang up, March fourth is
Speaker 4: what the most commanding day of the year. Thanks so
Speaker 4: much for listening. I love you, guys. I listen all
Speaker 4: the time. I don't do music much anymore. I just
Speaker 4: do your show. Thanks, guys.
Speaker 3: I love what you do.
Speaker 2: Bye bye, oh school, We love you to scoop.
Speaker 1: You get that right, like you get that March fourth.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, March fourth. Yeah, it's said in some rousing
Speaker 2: speech right before a battle, I think. But this is
Speaker 2: a it's just a great point. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if there's that much to discuss. I haven't applied for
Speaker 2: any government jobs or military positions, so I don't have
Speaker 2: the personal experience there with that kind of thing. And
Speaker 2: I've also, honestly, we have posted several jobs I think
Speaker 2: been or at least had to be in the process
Speaker 2: of post hosting a job before as part of our
Speaker 2: executive producer roles. But like never I've never seen it
Speaker 2: where you make the requirements of the job so specific
Speaker 2: that only a few individuals could even apply effectively. But
Speaker 2: I imagine that's a thing, yeah.
Speaker 1: Very much so. First off, thank you so much, Scoop
Speaker 1: Murphy much Fourth as well, one thing that we have
Speaker 1: to say at the very offset here is that there
Speaker 1: are hard There are hard regulations and laws that require
Speaker 1: many organizations to publicly put out a job notes right
Speaker 1: to announce that to theoretically whomever. However, in that same regard,
Speaker 1: you get to an increasingly rarefied air when you're talking
Speaker 1: about certain things, right like clearances for instance, you know,
Speaker 1: or specific types of experience in specific fields, to the
Speaker 1: point where you know, yeah, you might have to put
Speaker 1: out this notice for again, theoretically anybody. But you know,
Speaker 1: good and well there are less than one hundred people
Speaker 1: who can do this, and you might already know twenty
Speaker 1: of them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And you're like, these are the twenty people we hope apply,
Speaker 2: knowing full well they will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody can apply, but with the correct qualifications. And
Speaker 1: to be honest, that is not conspiratorial. That is I
Speaker 1: guess if you wanted to be kind of a negative
Speaker 1: Nelson about it, you could say that that is leveraging
Speaker 1: a loophole, But yeah, I feel like it is the
Speaker 1: best and most responsible way to pursue that thing, because
Speaker 1: it's not like for some of those military positions. What
Speaker 1: are you going to do if some random guy just
Speaker 1: shows up and it's like, hey, I'm Johnny blue jeans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what if Johnny is amazing at thinking outside
Speaker 2: of the box about the thing you're trying to get
Speaker 2: this person to make fun?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What if Johnny is just a real dark horse sleeper hit.
Speaker 1: You know, he's like twigs and a freezer. We forgot
Speaker 1: who was there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you taste, well, you've experienced Johnny.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how well the comparison will work. I
Speaker 1: just wanted one call back.
Speaker 2: But sure, sure, all right, what was Who's who was
Speaker 2: the caller would taste? What was the taste?
Speaker 1: Full body taste?
Speaker 2: See Johnny has that full body taste. Okay, just like
Speaker 2: a twigs and there it is.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure this conversation happens with Jay Sock all
Speaker 1: the time. But we also know that we have a
Speaker 1: lot of veterans in the crowd. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of people we're active military, We have a lot of
Speaker 1: people who are you know, more civilian side d and
Speaker 1: so on, and you have probably run into exactly what
Speaker 1: Scoop Murphy is talking about. Uh Matt at a at
Speaker 1: a friend uh years ago who used to do background
Speaker 1: checks when somebody needed security clearance. And to be clear,
Speaker 1: this was a drinking buddy. So the stories were pretty juicy,
Speaker 1: even when you know, even given the way they're locked
Speaker 1: down with what they can and cannot disclose, and there
Speaker 1: are there are a lot of people with dare I
Speaker 1: say the Liam Neeson level set of specific skills. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like any we're saying, right, yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all. We're talking about nothing here. But but you know,
Speaker 1: just like just to be like a software security person
Speaker 1: or something, right, there are a lot of hoops you
Speaker 1: have to jump through because you are taking on a
Speaker 1: position of responsibility and trust. So I feel like you
Speaker 1: do have to earmark those military positions. I mean, how
Speaker 1: nuts would it be if how nuts would it be
Speaker 1: if the US or indeed any government just came out
Speaker 1: and said, all right, we need someone who will just
Speaker 1: maybe if things go wrong, have to hit a red
Speaker 1: button and the rest of the time you're going to
Speaker 1: live under the ground, you know, somewhere in the interior
Speaker 1: of the country, and we usually have qualifications. But tell
Speaker 1: you what, just give us your pitch, you know, just
Speaker 1: film like a three minute video of why you're great
Speaker 1: at pressing buttons?
Speaker 2: Amazing?
Speaker 1: What could go wrong?
Speaker 2: Guarantee you Johnny has like it's an arc with him
Speaker 2: with the pushing buttons, you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 2: not so much as science, it's an art. And that's
Speaker 2: why he's really good for this job.
Speaker 1: That's why he's so That's why he's so great for
Speaker 1: this job.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's the new season of America's Got Talent. It's just
Speaker 1: people from people from across the country saying, look, I
Speaker 1: know I don't have all the qualifications, but I got
Speaker 1: a lot of heart.
Speaker 2: And sometimes that's all you need is the heart, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes that's.
Speaker 1: All you need. And speaking of that, we have to
Speaker 1: call it an evening tonight, folks. I think we pushed
Speaker 1: Doc a little too hard on the twigs. So we're
Speaker 1: going to go make our Maya kulpas we will be
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Speaker 2: if you do choose to venture into the depths of voicemail,
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Speaker 2: never know who it'll be, and you never know when
Speaker 2: or why or how, neither the time nor the hour,
Speaker 2: that's right. But if you do choose to call the number,
Speaker 2: you will get three minutes. Say whatever you'd like. Please
Speaker 2: give yourself a cool nickname, like all of our callers
Speaker 2: did today except for Anonymous in Illinois missed out there anonymous.
Speaker 2: We had to make one up for you, we'll make
Speaker 2: one up for you. If we have to do, let
Speaker 2: us know if we can use your name and message
Speaker 2: on the air within that message, and those are the
Speaker 2: only rules. If you don't want to do that, why
Speaker 2: not instead shoot us an email.
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Speaker 1: We read every single one. We take us to the
Speaker 1: edge of the rabbit hole. We will do the rest.
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