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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Our colleague Noel is on quite an adventure, but will

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Speaker 2: be returning shortly.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Alexis, code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Folks, it is Thursday,

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Speaker 1: if you're hearing this, the evening this show publishes, which

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Speaker 1: means it is time for Doc Matt and yours truly

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Speaker 1: to present some messages from you.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: We have quite a we've got quite a cavalcade here.

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Speaker 1: We always think. We always walk away wishing we could

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Speaker 1: add a couple of more, But our journey continues. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where would you like to start. I haven't

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Speaker 1: a full disclosure. I haven't heard all of these.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, many of these are just humorous to me.

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Speaker 2: So maybe let's start there. Let's just get silly, Let's

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Speaker 2: have a let's have a silly day this Thursday. This

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Speaker 2: voicemail comes to us from an anonymous human being in Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, while we're on the way to Illinois, Matt,

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Speaker 1: when's the last time we just did something spontaneous and

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Speaker 1: fun other than you know, in LA.

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Speaker 2: Basically, I don't know. We were in Los Angeles, but

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Speaker 2: not on Easter Sunday. We were not there that day,

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Speaker 2: all right, So let's hear from this anonymous so and

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Speaker 2: so in Illinois.

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, this is anonymous from Beyond Stay to America,

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Speaker 3: Central Illinois to the eleven thirty three, which is a

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Speaker 3: little ominous, but I'm extremely bored. I just had an epiphany.

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Speaker 3: Lutens cherry cough suppressants from the old days, the cough drops.

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Speaker 3: They look like really good ones. They classify as the

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Speaker 3: world's best candy ever made.

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Speaker 4: Debate me.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, lifetime obsession, lifetime appreciation for all you guys

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Speaker 3: and what you do. So George chosen, God, bless or

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Speaker 3: until you stop having brain activity pace.

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Speaker 2: There we go, Anonymous.

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Speaker 1: A couple couple points on this one. Matt. You know,

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Speaker 1: I no hate to any of the fifty states in

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Speaker 1: this great American experiment. But I will say that I

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Speaker 1: That's just what i've heard most interesting.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Well, I don't know about that. But what I

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Speaker 2: do know about is the r Yes, Ohio, I haven't.

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Speaker 1: Got doc chim oh man.

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Speaker 1: See Okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: Look look I got a lot of family in Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we don't want to compromise.

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Speaker 2: Come on, now, Ohio is pretty great, especially especially the

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Speaker 2: Akron area. Uh okay, so Loudin's cherry cough suppressants. I

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Speaker 2: have very specific memories of being sick as a child.

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Speaker 2: kind of I kind of agree with you, Anonymous Illinois.

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Speaker 1: know what the worst candy is. Oh, that's interesting, somewhat controversial.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we go Uh, Doc, we're chiming in on

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Speaker 1: I didn't see this one coming. Twis is the worst.

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Speaker 2: Oh have you ever frozen a TwixT? Doc? If you

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you. It changes the entire caramel game.

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Speaker 1: I love that idea, though, because you could apply that

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Speaker 2: All but ben, speaking of just candy or maybe junk food,

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Speaker 2: to a message from Keith the Plumber has an interesting

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Speaker 2: So let's let's go. Oh and by the way, please

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Speaker 1: If you are about to eat a roll of nickels,

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Speaker 2: This is a message from Keith the Plumber.

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, you can call me Chief the Plumber. I

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Speaker 2: So, like maybe it's just a quick nap after a

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a sugar nap.

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Speaker 1: A sugarnap perhaps, But yeah, we know that you can.

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Speaker 1: You can teach yourself to your point, Matt, to have

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Speaker 1: lucid dreams. I am going to try this adventure you're

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Speaker 1: have to ask, Matt, do you have lucid dreams on

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Speaker 1: Targeted dream implantation it's called or TDI, and people have

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Speaker 1: Why is it cheese?

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Speaker 1: And we have returned Matt. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: I've got to find it though. Whole of one second,

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Speaker 2: I just talk to someone who called in calamity. Chris

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Speaker 1: You, Bud's. We love these messages really because, again we

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Speaker 1: for reaching out on social media. Thank you absolutely for

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Speaker 1: human cloning. What's stopping it? Well, we asked, and you responded,

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Speaker 1: especially if your name is GGP Scooch. And we'll explain

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Speaker 1: Just a little Scooch, just a little Scooch, Just a

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Speaker 1: little GGP Skeoch, Jents, says Scooch. Following a recent discussion

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Speaker 1: from my graduate school days. Doctor Louis Duvall of McGill

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Speaker 2: And We're going to round robin here, so I'm going

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Speaker 2: to continue on. By the mid nineteen seventies, much progress

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Speaker 1: I'm a clone, you dog ooh e already.

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Speaker 2: Got your DNA. I'm just gonna make another one of you.

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Speaker 2: It's going to repeat your experiments, and we're.

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Speaker 4: Going to go for it.

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Speaker 1: Cloned, might get cloned. Watch yourself. Scooch didn't write any

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Speaker 1: of that. That's that's your faithful correspondence. But the message continues.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy eight, Riley began having strange experiences where

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Speaker 2: What okay, okay, all right, let's keep going here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Here we go, continuing on with the message, Riley hired

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Speaker 2: Come on now, hold on, hold on hold the phone.

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Speaker 1: Are okay, okay, all right? Well what happened after that?

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Speaker 1: How does arrest of the letters?

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Speaker 2: Well, since there had never been rights established for human clones,

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Speaker 2: according to the letter, the only charge against Riley was

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Speaker 2: making an obscene clone fall.

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Speaker 1: The shot you had us in the front. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry Scooch. By the way, I've been GP Scooch, but

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Speaker 1: about to become Grandpa's scooch. That would make me GGP Scooch.

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Speaker 1: I'm not ready for that. Maybe I shall become Patter

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Speaker 1: Familias or PF Scooch and not that you would need it,

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Speaker 1: but permissions for everything are getting granted. Sorry for a

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Speaker 1: obscene clone fall and rimshot. Again, thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That was that was worth it

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Speaker 1: because the way that we handle these things, just so

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, the structure of this is pretty

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Speaker 1: great because Scooch, you were careful with the timeline mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: You had some things in there that looked specific and

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Speaker 1: we just we've asked for puns and by dad, by

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, so so thank you very much, Scooch.

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Speaker 1: We are going to go to another voicemail. This brought

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Speaker 1: to us by a full body taste who raises some

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Speaker 6: For the purposes of this message, you can refer me

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Speaker 6: as full bodied taste. I just got done reading the

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Speaker 6: twenty nineteen book by often Tom O'Neill Chaos, the CIA

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Speaker 6: was really interesting. Anyway, love your show. Yeah you feel

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Speaker 6: pretty use this message. Sorry, I had left one where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we set that up a little bit. Yeah, this okay.

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Speaker 1: some various government Shenanigans, right, like Ted Kaczynski aka the

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Speaker 1: Unibomber was exposed to some pretty nasty stuff in college,

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Speaker 1: the Charles Manson CIA stuff. Have you ever heard about this, Matt?

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Speaker 2: I have, Actually I've heard some theoretical connections there where

437
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Speaker 2: Manson was somehow part of you know, Mockingbird or some

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Speaker 2: of these other projects, like the early projects that became

439
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Speaker 2: what was the LSD experimentation.

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Speaker 1: In k Ultra.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like he was an early person in that, and

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Speaker 2: you know, but again it's all rumor, right, none of

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Speaker 2: those connections have been like fully tied in, I would say.

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Speaker 1: Right, officially substantiated exactly. Yeah, this is this is something

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Speaker 1: ran into and I swear years ago when we were

446
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Speaker 1: years ago, we were talking about the Manson case, and

447
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: there's a story that always stood out to me. As

448
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: the group was deteriorating out there in the desert. One

449
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Speaker 1: of the guys who mitigated the disaster of this cult,

450
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Speaker 1: like thinking is a very interesting dude. He was a

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Speaker 1: minor m I n er who just who was like

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Speaker 1: their closest neighbor. And he's a real spiritual person. I

453
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: even found his website off to pull it up later,

454
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Speaker 1: but he used the same sort of social engineering Darren

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Speaker 1: Brown type mentalist tricks that Manson was probably using on

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Speaker 1: his followers, or that cult leaders use on their followers.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That always made me think, because there wasn't enough information

459
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Speaker 1: about that guy, and he's very much a what do

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Speaker 1: you call He's very much like an unexplained cameo in

461
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Speaker 1: the story, and he does get mentioned in the trials.

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Speaker 1: I think Vincent will Lego see who was Lee prosecutor

463
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Speaker 1: mentions him and Helter Skelter. But this idea, this reference

464
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Speaker 1: to Operation Chaos in specific, is very interesting because Operation

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Speaker 1: Chaos was a real thing. It was a genuine CIA

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Speaker 1: conspiracy to target American citizens, and from what we know

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Speaker 1: as the public, it was extant. It was active from

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy four. What they were

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Speaker 1: doing was actually a smart thing, or at least a

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Speaker 1: necessary thing. They were looking at all the protest movements,

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Speaker 1: the various civil rights movements, the anti war movements in particular,

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Speaker 1: and they were asking themselves, is their foreign influence and

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Speaker 1: what appears to be grassroots action.

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Speaker 2: Is somebody messing with us? Why is all of this happening?

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Speaker 2: Kind of all at once. Yeah, I remember having conversation

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Speaker 2: with my parents just about the end of the sixties

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Speaker 2: when they were teenagers and just how weird everything felt.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, it feels quite similar to right now, like

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Speaker 2: an upending of the way people think about institutions, right

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Speaker 2: and the control mechanisms. I don't know, it's very similar

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, shout out to the former and active meteorologist,

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Speaker 1: right the Oh that's a joke for like three people.

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Speaker 1: So the idea here, you're right, Matt. The idea here

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Speaker 1: is that through asymmetrical means, a foreign power through the

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Speaker 1: sixties and seventies it would have been Russia will conspire

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Speaker 1: to push things. And why is this CIA so worried

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Speaker 1: about this at the time, Because they did this in

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Speaker 1: other countries. Those students, quote unquote have freedom fighters who

490
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Speaker 1: just happened to be anti democratic far right. They were funded, supplied,

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Speaker 1: and trained by the CIA in multiple countries.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Look the student groups that were out in California

493
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Speaker 2: and Ohio and other places in the sixties. It's really

494
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Speaker 2: interesting stuff.

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Speaker 1: Ohio famously not the armpit of the United States.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I was specifically thinking about Kent

497
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Speaker 2: State University and what we went down there and like

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Speaker 2: SDS and some of the other student active like activist groups,

499
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Speaker 2: that were interesting stuff. Some early infiltration that occurred in those.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that can be proven. Right. Also check out

501
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: our earlier episode that kind of speaks to this thematically.

502
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: Did the FBI manufacture terrorist because they found themselves in

503
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Speaker 1: a dangerously surreal situation where the FBI was the FBI

504
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: sent in a mole as essentially to a mosque, and

505
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Speaker 1: with that persona attempted to radicalize people who attended the mosque.

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Speaker 1: And the mosque, which is just composed of normal Americans, right,

507
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: the mosque freaked out and their leadership contacted the FBI

508
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: and said, hey, we got a terrorist, please help us.

509
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Speaker 1: Isn't that why we pay taxes? And the FBI looked

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Speaker 1: into it, it.

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Speaker 2: Was like, ah, yeah, thanks for letting us know.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks for letting us know. Swing in a miss.

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Speaker 1: I think there's more to say about this before we

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00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: move on. Just what you need to know is that

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Speaker 1: the book Chaos Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret

516
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: History of the Sixties by Tom O'Neil proved to be

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Speaker 1: very controversial. We agree with you full body taste it

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00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: does raise a lot of fascinating questions. There are some

519
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: holes in Helter Skelter. Tom O'Neill is writing in good faith,

520
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: spent decades researching these links, and he had a lot

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Speaker 1: of falling out situations with various publishers. Isn't considered officially

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Speaker 1: proven And honestly, Matt, I don't know. I read the book,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where I fall on it. But I

524
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Speaker 1: also find it interesting that the CIA made an official

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Speaker 1: response to this. They published the thing and just before

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Speaker 1: we move on, it might be an episode for future,

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Speaker 1: a future show. But here is Here is the review

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Speaker 1: by Leslie c from the CIA, just going to give

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Speaker 1: you the very first part. Authors or their agents and

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Speaker 1: publishers seem unable to resist using the word secret to

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Speaker 1: modify that apparently pedestrian word history. Its use meaning secret

532
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: promises something the finished work invariably fails to deliver, implying

533
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: as it does, access to the Eldritch or the Gnostics

534
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: when the reality is often more mundane, and it goes

535
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: on it attempts to absolutely discredit anything that O'Neill wrote

536
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: in Operation Chaos, and one of the questions you have

537
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: to ask, if you like us, are on the fence

538
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: about this kind of narrative is why is the company

539
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: so heated up about this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, they have such a problem. I admit I

541
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: have not read the book, but I hopefully will. I

542
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: don't read many books nowadays, but this is one that

543
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: would actually I would open it and I would not stop.

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Speaker 1: You want to do a book club, we'll do a

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Speaker 1: book club episode.

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00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: I don't read enough for a book club, but we could. Yes,

547
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: if we do one book, we can do one book club.

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00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Sorry, Christian Bible. We're going with Operation Chaos. That's the

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00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: one book we're going to read. So we're going to

550
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: also while we are getting a copy that we want

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00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: to hear from you, folks. Do you think it is

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Speaker 1: possible that Manson had some ties to the CIA? Would

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Speaker 1: you like us to do a full episode on this.

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00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: I think we're going to. We just really need your thoughts,

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00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: your perspective. In the meantime and pause for a word

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor, we'll be back with a couple more

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Speaker 1: messages from you.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, and I guess we should say we

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Speaker 2: are recording this on Wednesday, April tenth, the total solar eclipse,

560
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Speaker 2: at least for parts of the world just occurred on

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Speaker 2: April eighth, at least here in North America when it

562
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Speaker 2: was crossing over, and there were some weird things. Ben,

563
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Speaker 2: how did you get to look at it at all

564
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Speaker 2: or do anything for the eclipse? Any rituals?

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Speaker 1: It's illegal for you to ask me that. Ah, dang, no, kiddy.

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Speaker 1: I was a big fan of it. Had some a

567
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Speaker 1: lot of contacts out in Texas who were racing to

568
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Speaker 1: find areas without too much cloud cover. Here in Atlanta,

569
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Speaker 1: the clouds parted as though by design, just long enough

570
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Speaker 1: to check out a cool eclipse, and then the fog

571
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Speaker 1: rolled back in to shout out for one person in

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Speaker 1: the crowd and Viking that was yeah, yeah, And the

573
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Speaker 1: rains came. But yeah, I was hanging out on the

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Speaker 1: roof and just vibeing. Man, what about you, sweet?

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Speaker 2: Did you get any of the glasses or any of

576
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: the things, like did you make one of those little

577
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Speaker 2: box holes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

579
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Speaker 2: I love that. I ended up ordering a couple of

580
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: sets of shades, very specific types of shades, not the

581
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Speaker 2: ones that were recalled in Illinois. I think that's where

582
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Speaker 2: they were messed up. But my son and I and

583
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Speaker 2: my girlfriend we all went outside and we were just

584
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Speaker 2: looking at the eclipse for quite a while. We let

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Speaker 2: off sparklers, hung out with the dogs, had a good time,

586
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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Uh, there were some

587
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: weird like health effects there We're going on, like some

588
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: feeling super tired, getting headaches going on. Specifically, Well, let's

589
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: let's let's get into this message. And I just want

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Speaker 2: to see if there's any connection here for anybody else

591
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: who's listening, or if this is psychosomatic or something weird

592
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: going on because of all the talk about the eclipse

593
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Speaker 2: running up to it, and I would say, all the

594
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Speaker 2: anxiety that was put out into the world.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear if there's some connections as well.

596
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: So let's hear. This is a message from pe Brain.

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Speaker 3: I'm mad. I've been in.

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Speaker 7: The code name Pea Brain here.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to bring something up.

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Speaker 7: To you all because I don't know. I'm gonna be honest,

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Speaker 7: I haven't looked into any of this at all, but

602
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 7: I was looking on Instagram today after the eclipse that happened.

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Speaker 7: So it's April eighth or ninth, I can't remember eight,

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Speaker 7: So I'm looking on Instagram. My sister in law post

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Speaker 7: a picture of the eclipse with the caption that says,

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Speaker 7: anybody else feel the headaches and a little naches from

607
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Speaker 7: the eclipse? So many of my girlfriends from work are

608
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Speaker 7: feeling this way as well. So she works in healthcare,

609
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 7: so you think she would know a little better. But

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Speaker 7: I haven't spoken with her about this, by the way,

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Speaker 7: But I don't know if this is like she's the

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Speaker 7: type of person who believes everything she sees on Facebook

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Speaker 7: type of thing, vaccination stuff like that, But I wouldn't

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Speaker 7: put her in the classification as like a qan honor

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Speaker 7: or anything. But she's not that far down the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 7: But I'm wondering if this is some sort of like

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Speaker 7: placebo effect that people are reading about and then all

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Speaker 7: of a sudden they're starting to feel this way. I'm

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Speaker 7: trying to weigh in also to see if other listeners have,

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Speaker 7: like Henny, relatives or friends or anybody who has experienced this.

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Speaker 7: Love the show, take care, and I appreciate it, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Right right. I think there's some specificity in this message

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Speaker 2: that maybe is unnecessary. So I don't think it's women, men,

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Speaker 2: anybody else that would be specifically pointed out as having

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Speaker 2: headaches or health problems, whatever it is. After this whole

626
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: solar eclipse shindig. I think it's way more general than that,

627
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: but I just I want to talk about it because

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00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: it's interesting. At in my household, two of us experienced

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Speaker 2: a bit of a headache afterwards, and we had very

630
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Speaker 2: specific glassware on that was supposed to be protective for

631
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Speaker 2: this activity to actually look at the sun, So we

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Speaker 2: didn't expect that it would have anything to do with that,

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Speaker 2: or at least of the actual act of looking towards

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Speaker 2: the sun right right, But it does appear if you

635
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Speaker 2: look online, there are a lot of other folks experiencing

636
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: something like this, So just let's talk about it. What

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Speaker 2: are your initial thoughts been.

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Speaker 1: Can happen? The first thing we need to say is

639
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Speaker 1: that you should not stare at a solar eclipse without protection,

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Speaker 1: without ocular protection, which I think is elementary. But I

641
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: was surprised to learn as of twenty twenty four, about

642
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Speaker 1: thirty percent of people in the United States did not

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Speaker 1: know that this could cause permanent eye damage.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? I feel like that's a known thing.

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00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Well, eclipses don't happen that often, you know what I mean.

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00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: Well, but just the sun in general, it's still the sun.

647
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Speaker 1: I hate that thing, man. Yeah, it's just yes, okay,

648
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: but longstanding disagreements with the I get it. Folks, don't

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Speaker 1: send the email. I know it's important. I just don't

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Speaker 1: vibe with it personally, but I appreciate its work. The

651
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: idea though, here about headaches is a little bit more interesting.

652
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: So we know it's an established fact at staring at

653
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Speaker 1: the sun if you are a human with the unaided eye,

654
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Speaker 1: can cause permanent damage. But the concept of a headache

655
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit different because one of the big

656
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: intervening variables I think we'll get to is is going

657
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: to be the glasses, right or the device you used

658
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: to view the eclipse. And just because somebody might call

659
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Speaker 1: something a placebo effect doesn't make it any less real.

660
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Speaker 1: I would be if we were medical professionals. One of

661
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Speaker 1: the things that we would analyze here would not just

662
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Speaker 1: be the occurrence of temporary headaches, but the length of

663
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Speaker 1: time that headaches occurred for people, Like how long after

664
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Speaker 1: viewing the eclipse did the pain in your head persist?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

666
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Speaker 2: I think that's a big deal because it could be

667
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Speaker 2: what is there's a specific term for it. I was

668
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Speaker 2: reading in time. Solar retinopathy, I think, is the name

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Speaker 2: for it, when you're you're actually experiencing eye damage after

670
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Speaker 2: looking at the sun. And this is something that is

671
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: usually usually not just a headache. It is problems with

672
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Speaker 2: vision after looking at the sun. So not just like

673
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: owl my head hurts a little bit after that, or

674
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Speaker 2: even I have a pounding headache after viewing a solar eclipse.

675
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: It is I'm having blurred vision or serious spots, you know,

676
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Speaker 2: in my vision when I'm looking around, and it's accompanied

677
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: with a headache. What was experienced at my house was

678
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: just a headache, like a generalized headache, which, again for

679
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: personal experience for one or two people, it doesn't mean anything, right,

680
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: because there are so many variables. One of us could

681
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: be affected by seasonal allergies, right, which is causing some

682
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Speaker 2: kind of a headache. One of us could just have

683
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Speaker 2: a headache for another reason. One of us could be

684
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Speaker 2: feeling whatever the effects are and going through some kind

685
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Speaker 2: of psychosomatic thing.

686
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Speaker 1: Even something as simple as mild dehydration to cause a headache,

687
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Speaker 1: or people suffering from migraines, light can trigger migraine reaction.

688
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: The issue is that there are headache is such a

689
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Speaker 1: broad term that there are so many things that could

690
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Speaker 1: give you a headache. Like if you've ever been on

691
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: a work zoom meeting for an hour, that's a headache.

692
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Speaker 1: You don't need eclipse for that, isn't it crazy?

693
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Speaker 2: You can get nauseous from just sitting in front of

694
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Speaker 2: a screen for too long, like, you know, especially if

695
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: you've got a fairly large monitor that's putting off a

696
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: ton of light that's very bright, right, and you're in

697
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: a darkened room. Crap the way I am right now,

698
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: you can get eye stream, which causes the same type

699
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Speaker 2: of headache.

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Speaker 1: It can also even hack your propriception, right, so you

701
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: can what does that mean? That's you know, like the

702
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: game Mirror's Edge, right, Matt's give me the keep going

703
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: and thumbs up. Okay. So propri eception happens a lot

704
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: in augmented reality or VR. Propri Eception is your body's

705
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: sense of itself in space, and things that give contradicting

706
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: information about your body's place in space will play all

707
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: kinds of hazardous tricks with your mind. And again, you know,

708
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: all your other equipment, yeah.

709
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Speaker 2: Oh dude, And then imagine you've been you know, imagining

710
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: the Moon and the Sun and where they are in

711
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: space and where the Earth is in space, and then

712
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: staring at it for a while and really having that

713
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: moment where you're like, oh, wow, I'm this tiny little

714
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: thing on a giant planet, but is nothing compared to

715
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: that giant star? And why is the moon that exact size?

716
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: And oh God, who am I? Where am I?

717
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: What am I? Wow? You sound like I feel like

718
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: I've had that conversation with a lot of dogs.

719
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Speaker 2: But nothing was said. It was just like, you know,

720
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Speaker 2: it was known to each other.

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Speaker 1: There is also another thing here that's happening, p brain.

722
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Speaker 1: The eclipse does have effects on people, That's what we're saying.

723
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Speaker 1: It very much does. And these these effects can differ

724
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Speaker 1: person to person outside of the one universal thing, which

725
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: is that looking at this, making eye contact with the

726
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: eclipse will damage your eyes, to be clear, making eye

727
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: contact with the sun, which is whatever. Making eye contact

728
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: with the sun outside of an eclipse will also damage

729
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: your eyes because the sun kind of stinks. You just

730
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: don't feel it while you're staring at an eclipse, so

731
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Speaker 1: you can expose yourself to that for a longer period

732
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Speaker 1: of time. As far as headaches, I don't know. You know,

733
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Speaker 1: it's interesting too, because there are a lot of people

734
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Speaker 1: who don't wear any kind of spectacles or contacts or

735
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: corrective lenses. And if you've ever worn, you know, if

736
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Speaker 1: you've got glasses, later in life, you may notice that

737
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: if your prescription is off, or just the experience of

738
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Speaker 1: wearing glasses, it can give you a headache too, because

739
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: your eyes and your brain are saying, what's going on.

740
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, your eye is literally your eyes are straining to

741
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: see things, and your brain is trying to basically overcompensate

742
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: for the stuff that you can't see very well and

743
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: then the stuff that's too sharp, depending on what your

744
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: prescription is agreed.

745
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Speaker 1: Yet, we also cannot dismiss the psychological or psychosomatic potential

746
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Speaker 1: here because the eclipse took over the news in the

747
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Speaker 1: United States, and so a lot of people who ordinarily

748
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: may not have been as apprehensive or anxious about it,

749
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: we're starting to think to themselves, Oh, it got to me.

750
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can tell. I was mentioning

751
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: it every conversation we had, because I was like, oh, God, well,

752
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: what's going on with certain doing? Oh you know, I

753
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: was reading about indigenous populations in some religious sects that

754
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: will not look at a solar eclipse, groups of people

755
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: who will go inside and make sure all of their

756
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: doors are locked for the entirety that the moon is

757
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: passing across the sun like that. But again for for

758
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: religious reasons often or traditional reasons. But again it's like,

759
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: maybe they know something that I just don't know. Maybe

760
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: I should stay inside, but then we didn't.

761
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Speaker 1: That's an anthropological point too. Whenever I hear about the

762
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Speaker 1: practices of ancient civilizations, let me caveat this, the practices

763
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Speaker 1: of ancient civilizations or cultures that are still around today,

764
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hear them out because they're still around, you

765
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean, they made it somehow.

766
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I feel fine though. I think

767
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: my headache went away, so yeah, everything's okay, right, Yeah?

768
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what if the if the headaches get

769
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Speaker 1: to and if the solar eclipse makes it impossible for

770
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: us to continue our strange career as podcasters, then you,

771
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: Doc and I could try to get some jobs in

772
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: the military. Right, Is that good idea?

773
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

774
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: We could? Yeah, let's do this. I was worried we

775
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't have time, but let's hear one last message here

776
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: from Scoop Murphy. I really like Scoop Murphy's.

777
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: Not related to Scooch.

778
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Scoop like Murphy's got the scoop. I

779
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: wonder if it had anything to do with Murphy.

780
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: Brown or I don't know, just Murphy Brown.

781
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: I know me too, and this person's voice. I don't

782
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: know why I'm getting journalists vibes from you, Scoop, but

783
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: that's what I'm getting. So let's hear this message.

784
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: You're probably not Candice Bergen.

785
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: We hope. Here we go.

786
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: Hi, this is Scoop Murphy. Callin from Ethno, Pennsylvania. Guys.

787
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Speaker 4: I just finished listening as I always do, but I

788
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Speaker 4: just finished listening to your show dated March fourth, and

789
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: I wanted to say there was a little bit in

790
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: there about applying for positions with the government and how

791
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: someone without a high school diploma could apply anyway. Bottom line,

792
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 4: I used to do a lot of contracting with the

793
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Speaker 4: government and what they do when they have a position

794
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Speaker 4: wired and penpointed for somebody or a group in particular,

795
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Speaker 4: that's exactly what they do. They make sure it is

796
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: so detailed that there are only so many people who

797
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 4: are qualified for that position, so I hope that clears

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00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 4: it up. But those positions are already earmarked for let's

799
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Speaker 4: say somebody's kids or college graduates who are coming through,

800
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 4: but they can't really pressed that forward like that. And

801
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: by the way, before I hang up, March fourth is

802
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 4: what the most commanding day of the year. Thanks so

803
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 4: much for listening. I love you, guys. I listen all

804
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: the time. I don't do music much anymore. I just

805
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: do your show. Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 3: I love what you do.

807
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: Bye bye, oh school, We love you to scoop.

808
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: You get that right, like you get that March fourth.

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00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, March fourth. Yeah, it's said in some rousing

810
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: speech right before a battle, I think. But this is

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Speaker 2: a it's just a great point. I don't even know

812
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: if there's that much to discuss. I haven't applied for

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Speaker 2: any government jobs or military positions, so I don't have

814
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Speaker 2: the personal experience there with that kind of thing. And

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Speaker 2: I've also, honestly, we have posted several jobs I think

816
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Speaker 2: been or at least had to be in the process

817
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Speaker 2: of post hosting a job before as part of our

818
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: executive producer roles. But like never I've never seen it

819
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: where you make the requirements of the job so specific

820
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Speaker 2: that only a few individuals could even apply effectively. But

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Speaker 2: I imagine that's a thing, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Very much so. First off, thank you so much, Scoop

823
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Speaker 1: Murphy much Fourth as well, one thing that we have

824
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Speaker 1: to say at the very offset here is that there

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Speaker 1: are hard There are hard regulations and laws that require

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Speaker 1: many organizations to publicly put out a job notes right

827
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Speaker 1: to announce that to theoretically whomever. However, in that same regard,

828
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Speaker 1: you get to an increasingly rarefied air when you're talking

829
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Speaker 1: about certain things, right like clearances for instance, you know,

830
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Speaker 1: or specific types of experience in specific fields, to the

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Speaker 1: point where you know, yeah, you might have to put

832
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Speaker 1: out this notice for again, theoretically anybody. But you know,

833
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: good and well there are less than one hundred people

834
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Speaker 1: who can do this, and you might already know twenty

835
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Speaker 1: of them, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And you're like, these are the twenty people we hope apply,

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Speaker 2: knowing full well they will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody can apply, but with the correct qualifications. And

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Speaker 1: to be honest, that is not conspiratorial. That is I

840
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Speaker 1: guess if you wanted to be kind of a negative

841
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: Nelson about it, you could say that that is leveraging

842
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: a loophole, But yeah, I feel like it is the

843
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: best and most responsible way to pursue that thing, because

844
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Speaker 1: it's not like for some of those military positions. What

845
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: are you going to do if some random guy just

846
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: shows up and it's like, hey, I'm Johnny blue jeans.

847
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what if Johnny is amazing at thinking outside

848
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: of the box about the thing you're trying to get

849
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: this person to make fun?

850
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 4: Yeah?

851
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: What if Johnny is just a real dark horse sleeper hit.

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00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: You know, he's like twigs and a freezer. We forgot

853
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Speaker 1: who was there?

854
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you taste, well, you've experienced Johnny.

855
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how well the comparison will work. I

856
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: just wanted one call back.

857
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: But sure, sure, all right, what was Who's who was

858
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: the caller would taste? What was the taste?

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00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: Full body taste?

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00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: See Johnny has that full body taste. Okay, just like

861
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Speaker 2: a twigs and there it is.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure this conversation happens with Jay Sock all

863
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Speaker 1: the time. But we also know that we have a

864
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Speaker 1: lot of veterans in the crowd. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of people we're active military, We have a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who are you know, more civilian side d and

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Speaker 1: so on, and you have probably run into exactly what

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Speaker 1: Scoop Murphy is talking about. Uh Matt at a at

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Speaker 1: a friend uh years ago who used to do background

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Speaker 1: checks when somebody needed security clearance. And to be clear,

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Speaker 1: this was a drinking buddy. So the stories were pretty juicy,

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Speaker 1: even when you know, even given the way they're locked

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Speaker 1: down with what they can and cannot disclose, and there

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Speaker 1: are there are a lot of people with dare I

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Speaker 1: say the Liam Neeson level set of specific skills. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like any we're saying, right, yeah, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all. We're talking about nothing here. But but you know,

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Speaker 1: just like just to be like a software security person

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Speaker 1: or something, right, there are a lot of hoops you

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Speaker 1: have to jump through because you are taking on a

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Speaker 1: position of responsibility and trust. So I feel like you

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Speaker 1: do have to earmark those military positions. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: nuts would it be if how nuts would it be

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Speaker 1: if the US or indeed any government just came out

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Speaker 1: and said, all right, we need someone who will just

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Speaker 1: maybe if things go wrong, have to hit a red

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Speaker 1: button and the rest of the time you're going to

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Speaker 1: live under the ground, you know, somewhere in the interior

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Speaker 1: of the country, and we usually have qualifications. But tell

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Speaker 1: you what, just give us your pitch, you know, just

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Speaker 1: film like a three minute video of why you're great

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Speaker 1: at pressing buttons?

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Speaker 2: Amazing?

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Speaker 1: What could go wrong?

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Speaker 2: Guarantee you Johnny has like it's an arc with him

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Speaker 2: with the pushing buttons, you know what I mean, It's

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Speaker 2: not so much as science, it's an art. And that's

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Speaker 2: why he's really good for this job.

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Speaker 1: That's why he's so That's why he's so great for

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Speaker 1: this job.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's the new season of America's Got Talent. It's just

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Speaker 1: people from people from across the country saying, look, I

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Speaker 1: know I don't have all the qualifications, but I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of heart.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes that's all you need is the heart, you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes that's.

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Speaker 1: All you need. And speaking of that, we have to

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Speaker 1: call it an evening tonight, folks. I think we pushed

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Speaker 1: Doc a little too hard on the twigs. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to go make our Maya kulpas we will be

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Speaker 1: returning with some more stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Tune in. We've got a little bit of an Epstein update.

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Speaker 1: I think our Supplements episode already came out. We might

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Speaker 1: even have a recording a couple live conversations. We can't

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Speaker 1: wait for you to hear it. We also can't wait

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Speaker 1: for you to be part of the show. We try

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Speaker 1: to be easy to find online at Conspiracy Stuff, at

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy Stuff Show on Instagram, check out our YouTube, and then,

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Speaker 1: of course, if you want to take if you want

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Speaker 1: to take a page from the book of full body taste, GGP,

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Speaker 1: Scooch Pee Brain, Illinois, Anon, Keith the Plumber, or the

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Speaker 1: legendary Scoop Murphy, reach out Touchspace and give us a call.

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Speaker 2: Yes, our number is one eight three three st d WYTK.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and put that number in your contact list

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Speaker 2: if you do choose to venture into the depths of voicemail,

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Speaker 2: and because that number might call you back, and you

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Speaker 2: never know who it'll be, and you never know when

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Speaker 2: or why or how, neither the time nor the hour,

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Speaker 2: that's right. But if you do choose to call the number,

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Speaker 2: you will get three minutes. Say whatever you'd like. Please

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Speaker 2: give yourself a cool nickname, like all of our callers

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Speaker 2: did today except for Anonymous in Illinois missed out there anonymous.

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Speaker 2: We had to make one up for you, we'll make

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Speaker 2: one up for you. If we have to do, let

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Speaker 2: us know if we can use your name and message

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Speaker 2: on the air within that message, and those are the

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Speaker 2: only rules. If you don't want to do that, why

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Speaker 2: not instead shoot us an email.

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Speaker 1: And we love the email. You can contact us twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours a day, seven days a week. Give us

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Speaker 1: those extra lengths. There is no word limit on the emails.

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Speaker 1: We read every single one. We take us to the

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Speaker 1: edge of the rabbit hole. We will do the rest.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is drop us, alide and

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Speaker 1: be aware that sometimes the void writes back conspiracyed. iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production

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