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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: the production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. We start today

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Speaker 1: and the story of Sarah Stern, a beautiful teen girl

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Speaker 1: who loses her mom after a fight with cancer and

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Speaker 1: was trying to find her way in the world. She

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Speaker 1: disappears from home without a trace, leaving behind so many

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Speaker 1: questions and so few clues. You will hear from Sarah's dad, Michael,

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Speaker 1: about his anguish learning his little girl is missing, and

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Speaker 1: how the search for Sarah begins. You hear from a

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Speaker 1: local reporter on the scene, Alex Epoliello, who covered Sarah's

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Speaker 1: disappearance from day one. FBI special agent Bobby Chicone, and

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Speaker 1: renowned Hollywood psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall weigh in with expert

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Speaker 1: analysis on Sarah's appearance. We start at two forty five

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Speaker 1: a m. The morning of December three, twenty sixteen. An

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Speaker 1: abandoned car found on any Jersey Bridge bine one one

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Speaker 1: where the emergency and not the emergency actually on the

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Speaker 1: the bridge, there's a car that abandoned. It's off at

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Speaker 1: the side of the road. But the Belmark Bridge being

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Speaker 1: the thirty five bridge. Yeah, the thirty five bridge would

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Speaker 1: be going over then going from north going down. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace killers unlist us. So what kind of carson? I

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Speaker 1: kind of looked like an old beat up, light hand

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Speaker 1: colored like to Dan, was there anybody inside the vehicle?

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Speaker 1: I looked, now, okay, unless they were sleeping. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: see them by their head being up. Nobody. A light

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Speaker 1: colored sedan parked on an obscure bridget is the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the story of the disappearance of a beautiful young girl,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Stern. But why there, why that bridge, and what,

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Speaker 1: if anything does it mean. I'm Nancy Grace, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us today the mystery of Sarah Stearn's disappearance.

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Speaker 1: But what do we know about Sarah? Alex Napoliello, Alex,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us crime and Court reporter

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Speaker 1: for the NJA dot com and Star Ledger. I've watched

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Speaker 1: the bodycam footage. I've I've listened to it very very

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Speaker 1: carefully explained to me how the police were first alerted

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Speaker 1: to this sedan part on the side of a bridge,

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Speaker 1: and what time of the day was it and why

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Speaker 1: was that so unusual? So police were called to the

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Speaker 1: bridge shortly before three am on December third, in two

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Speaker 1: on the shoulder at the top of the Route thirty

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Speaker 1: who were in the area. So it's important to note

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Speaker 1: that that bridge at the base of the bridge is

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Speaker 1: a popular nightclub called the Headliner. That bridge goes from

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Speaker 1: Neptune Township into Belmar, so it's pretty well trafficked even

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Speaker 1: at three am, So it wasn't uncommon for a ride

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Speaker 1: share driver to be in that area and call it

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Speaker 1: into police. Hold on, are you talking about an Uber?

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Speaker 1: It was an Uber person. I believe that it was

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Speaker 1: Uber and he was doing both Uber endless. And was

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Speaker 1: it the driver? I thought it was the driver, not

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Speaker 1: someone who was actually ride sharing. It was the driver, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the ride share driver, you know. To FBI Special Agent

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Speaker 1: Bobby's account. First of all, as I always told Jerry's

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Speaker 1: nothing good happens after midnight period. Okay, let's just start

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Speaker 1: with that. But it doesn't affect me one way or

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Speaker 1: the other, other than me trying to establish a timeline

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Speaker 1: that they first spotted this tan sedan, this light colored

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Speaker 1: That does not mean to me that that's when it

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Speaker 1: was parked there by any means, Oh no, not at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's even if it's heavily trafficked. You'd be

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Speaker 1: surprised to how many people don't report cars on the

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Speaker 1: I mean, I probably see it every day on my commute,

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Speaker 1: So you don't always have a proper timing of when

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Speaker 1: that car was left simply by the reporting of the car.

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Speaker 1: It does it does. It is somewhat dependent on the

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Speaker 1: time of day. But but if three am is a

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Speaker 1: I don't know what alternate universe you're living in, but

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Speaker 1: three am out on an obscure bridge I do not

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Speaker 1: think would be heavily traffic, which leads me to another point.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone with me Alex Napole Yellow Crime and Court

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Speaker 1: Report for the NJA dot Com and Star Ledger, and

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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone FBI special Agent. That that leads me to

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Speaker 1: another point. I find this bridge based on all my

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Speaker 1: even the cops we're not sure which bridge they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: And when you say it could be a I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was a highly traffic time. Let's just rephrase.

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Speaker 1: talking about. Well, Alex just described it as a as

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Speaker 1: I would have to determine how obscure or not obscure

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Speaker 1: and so you do factor in our traffic patterns, and

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Speaker 1: local authorities would obviously be very familiar with those local

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Speaker 1: traffic patterns. Well, that lays me to another issue. Alex

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Speaker 1: and Star Ledger Alex, I don't believe that the car

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Speaker 1: have been reported. I mean, did anybody report it stolen? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we don't know. But an Uber driver found it unusual

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Speaker 1: And just to go back to some earlier points, this bridge,

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Speaker 1: it's the Route thirty five bridge. The reason there was

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Speaker 1: I guess you have some trickle, some people trickling out

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Speaker 1: me psycho analyst out of California at doctor Bethany Marshall

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Speaker 1: dot com. Dotor Bethany, you know Chicon's right. I passed

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Speaker 1: would not report it. Why, Nancy. It depends on the bridge.

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Speaker 1: We have two bridges here in California, the Golden State

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Speaker 1: And the reason people do not report, Nancy, is that

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Speaker 1: So police arrive at the bridge behind. They pull up

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Speaker 1: Why were you in Florida that night of all nights? Well,

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Speaker 1: Celebrate online video with your friends, meet your favorite creators,

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