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Speaker 1: and I played Roy Anderson on The Office. Well. Hello, friends,
Speaker 1: welcome once again to another episode of the Office Deep Dive.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Brian baum Gartner, and today I
Speaker 1: am so excited about this our guest today, as you know,
Speaker 1: played well. I'd call him iconic. An iconic character on
Speaker 1: the Office. He dated everyone's favorite receptionist, He vandalized a bar,
Speaker 1: and he threw some punches, or he would have if
Speaker 1: not for dwightes Pepper spray. If you catch my meaning,
Speaker 1: you know I am bringing on the incredible David Denman today,
Speaker 1: a k a. Roy Anderson. Now. David currently is on
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows, HBO's Mayor of Easttown, but
Speaker 1: before that, he spent many years playing an ordinary guy
Speaker 1: just working in a warehouse. He really has a unique
Speaker 1: perspective on the office, right, because his character was on
Speaker 1: and off the show for all nine years, and he
Speaker 1: went through quite a journey during that time. Today we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that, as well as Roy's standout moments,
Speaker 1: his wedding, the Booze Cruise, and much much more. We're
Speaker 1: also going to bring up some big questions for David.
Speaker 1: Was Roy a sympathetic character, do we think he cheat
Speaker 1: it on Pam? And most importantly, what was in his
Speaker 1: trash bag from the pilot. It's a good question, right,
Speaker 1: So join me today in welcoming half of Pam and Roy,
Speaker 1: or boy as no one has called them ever. David Denman,
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and Squeak, Bubble
Speaker 1: and Squeaker, cooking it every month, left over from the
Speaker 1: night before. David, what's happening, brother? What is going on?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's been so long. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm good, I know I was. We were just trying
Speaker 1: to figure out last time I saw you, I think
Speaker 1: was at your wedding when I don't remember when that was. Gosh,
Speaker 1: that is just so that's just disgustingly too long. It's
Speaker 1: all right, Oh my god, all right, Well we are
Speaker 1: we're going to get in to a lot, but I
Speaker 1: want to start back at the beginning. You're from California,
Speaker 1: but you end up getting accepted and go to Juilliard,
Speaker 1: which basically what that means to me is you knew
Speaker 1: what you wanted to do pretty early. Is that true? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to be an actress since I
Speaker 1: was a kid. I remember I went and saw that
Speaker 1: movie The Black Stallion when I was a kid, and
Speaker 1: I must have been six when it came out, I think,
Speaker 1: and my dad took me. I never forget it, and
Speaker 1: I remember going, I want to be that kid, and
Speaker 1: it was the ongoing joke in the family, like David,
Speaker 1: You're not going to be a jockey. It's just not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And then shortly after that et came out
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to do what that
Speaker 1: guy's doing, and uh my family was just like, what,
Speaker 1: we have no idea what to do with you? And so, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew from a young age all these pictures of
Speaker 1: me dressing up in costumes, running around and you know,
Speaker 1: pretend me too. Did you have any family connection, I mean,
Speaker 1: being from California, did you have any family connection to
Speaker 1: the business or anything. No, nothing at all. You know.
Speaker 1: My dad was a draftsman and my mom my mom
Speaker 1: worked like as a receptionist. Basically, I had no connection whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't even hear of Juilliard until I was
Speaker 1: in high school. And I remember there was a kid
Speaker 1: named Michael his adorf and he was like a real
Speaker 1: actor because I grew up in Orange County, which is
Speaker 1: about an hour from l A. And he would go
Speaker 1: up and do commercials and do bit parts and movies
Speaker 1: and stuff, and so, you know, I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: you're really doing it and uh. And he was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Tom, I'm gonna apply and try to
Speaker 1: go to Juilliard. And I said, what is that, because
Speaker 1: well it's an acting school. And I was like, there's
Speaker 1: schools for acting. I mean, it was that naive. He
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, dude, Robin Williams, Kevin Klein. I was like,
Speaker 1: what they went there? He's like yeah. I was like
Speaker 1: blown away. And then I went because I was a
Speaker 1: terrible student and I knew I wasn't going to go
Speaker 1: to college, no that my family had gone to college.
Speaker 1: And then I, you know, went down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of like, wait a minute, I can go to school
Speaker 1: for acting. And so a friend of mine went to
Speaker 1: the American Conservatory Theater. They had a summer training congress
Speaker 1: the summer before my senior year. He was a year
Speaker 1: ahead of me, a guy named Craig Brewer who went
Speaker 1: on to be a writer director of Hustle and Flow
Speaker 1: and Black Snake, Moan and Dolomite is my name another one. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's been very successful. But he was an actor when
Speaker 1: we were in school, and he went and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there. So my whole senior year was
Speaker 1: all about going to act summer program. And then once
Speaker 1: I did that, I wanted to go to the you know,
Speaker 1: the grad program, but they wouldn't let you in and
Speaker 1: for two years you had to have two years of college.
Speaker 1: So I went to junior college for two years, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna do as many plays as
Speaker 1: I can do here, and do you know, take some classes,
Speaker 1: and and then I'll apply for a c T. And
Speaker 1: then I figured, well, from applying there, I might as
Speaker 1: well apply to all these other schools that I want
Speaker 1: to go to. And Juliard was at the top of
Speaker 1: the list and an n y U and Harvard had
Speaker 1: a program, and so I went up an audition for
Speaker 1: Juilliard and Harvard the same weekend they did it like
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and then that Monday, I got a
Speaker 1: call from Juilliard saying, hey, we'd like to offer you
Speaker 1: a spot, and that was like my top choice, so
Speaker 1: I was like what Yeah, of course, So I didn't
Speaker 1: even do the other auditions and awesome A end up
Speaker 1: getting getting into the Harvard program as well, and I
Speaker 1: was like, thanks guys, but I'm I'm gonna go here
Speaker 1: and stand there like good for you. Have fun. That's incredible.
Speaker 1: So you moved to New York? I did. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: moved to New York And yeah, I had no idea
Speaker 1: when I was getting into I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: no one in my family went to college, so my
Speaker 1: idea of college was dead poets society. I was like,
Speaker 1: I know what New York City was like or what
Speaker 1: a campus was going to be like. And I walked
Speaker 1: into Lincoln Center and I'm like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is all before the Internet or you
Speaker 1: could just look everything up. This is like here's a pamphlet,
Speaker 1: here's a couple of pictures of what are the inside
Speaker 1: of our school? Looks like like you have no idea.
Speaker 1: It was definitely not Dead Poets Society. There was no
Speaker 1: beautiful what was that Princeton? I think they shot that
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, beautiful campus. Right at this point, were
Speaker 1: you interested in film and television? I mean you referenced
Speaker 1: your friend who was going and doing commercials and stuff
Speaker 1: or or for you was it was it theater? You know?
Speaker 1: It was theater? Was was everything? I mean I kind
Speaker 1: of like I remember when I was in junior college
Speaker 1: and having a conversation with a buddy of mine, this
Speaker 1: guy Todd Kolezack, who we were doing rosen Crants and
Speaker 1: Guildensterner Dead, and I was like, yeah, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to do theater and something. He's like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about, dude, why don't you go try to do
Speaker 1: film and TV? Like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I remember one of my teachers I was like
Speaker 1: reading this play and he was like, what do you
Speaker 1: What are you reading? And I'm like, oh, that's this
Speaker 1: new play just came out of New York And he goes, Okay,
Speaker 1: you need to read more books. I go what do
Speaker 1: you mean? He goes, why are you reading a play
Speaker 1: that somebody else already did? Why don't you read a
Speaker 1: book so you can do the the original version of it,
Speaker 1: you know, and some movie or something. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I think these people have a lot more faith in
Speaker 1: me than I have in myself. And and and those
Speaker 1: those conversations did start sparking like, well, maybe I'll go
Speaker 1: and give it a shot. And and then I went
Speaker 1: to New York. I went to school, which was a grind,
Speaker 1: and I saw all these really talented people come out
Speaker 1: and just get beat up. And I went and did
Speaker 1: a summer Shakespeare festival in Utah, and there was a
Speaker 1: guy who had come out of another grad program a
Speaker 1: few years before us, and he had spent I don't
Speaker 1: know five ten years out of grad school doing theater
Speaker 1: and he was just then going to go to l
Speaker 1: A and try to break in. And he was so
Speaker 1: impassionate about it. He was like, don't wait, don't wait,
Speaker 1: I go what he goes, there's one time when you
Speaker 1: come out of school where they're all interested in you.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have capitalized on it when I
Speaker 1: had the shot, and I didn't. And now I'm starting
Speaker 1: from the ground up again, and it's it's going to
Speaker 1: be brutal. And if you get out of school and
Speaker 1: there's interest, get on a plane and go to l A.
Speaker 1: And so that was like the summer before my senior year.
Speaker 1: And so my buddy who would who was also at Utah,
Speaker 1: who was at graduating from Yale School of Drama, he
Speaker 1: had already done the New York thing before he went
Speaker 1: to before he went to Yale, and so he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to l A. We should go together. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're crazy, what are you What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? And I had family, you know, in Orange County,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like that crazy to do. But I
Speaker 1: just thought I would at least spend a year in
Speaker 1: New York and like capitalize on all those theater connections
Speaker 1: and trying to do some regional theater. And and then
Speaker 1: I did one play right when I graduated, and like
Speaker 1: Shakespeare by the Sea, I think it was Shakespeare on
Speaker 1: the on the Sound. I don't even know. It's something
Speaker 1: real Wheat and Connecticut. We did so many of these
Speaker 1: same summer things. By the way, that's actually which we've
Speaker 1: never talked about, but anyway, you did one show. I
Speaker 1: did one show. I was making like two fifty bucks
Speaker 1: a week. I couldn't even pay my rent. It was
Speaker 1: like that was good. I was good. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to get that job finally. And I
Speaker 1: was like, this is terrible. This is not gonna this
Speaker 1: is not gonna work. And so I remember July fift
Speaker 1: my buddy I was like, Hey, I've got to go
Speaker 1: to this wedding up in Oregon. You want to take
Speaker 1: a road trip. And I hadn't been home and over
Speaker 1: a year, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come back and let's take that road trip. So I
Speaker 1: came back. Luckily, I had an agent that had a
Speaker 1: West Coast office. Come to find out afterwards that that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. That she had She had a meeting
Speaker 1: with me and was like, hey, yeah, if you ever
Speaker 1: feel like coming out to l A, just let me know.
Speaker 1: She was like the owner of the company. And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, no, seriously, I'm I'm I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: do that. She was like okay, but she she told
Speaker 1: me later that she was like, you know what, we
Speaker 1: just say that to everybody when we're signing them. But
Speaker 1: like we work as two separate offices. Like if you
Speaker 1: didn't get anything, I would have sent you back and
Speaker 1: really like, well, that's just such a lie. She's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do again? This is
Speaker 1: like before digital and not only tax but even email.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like right when email is started. Man,
Speaker 1: I had a page that I'd get a pager to say, hey,
Speaker 1: you got an audition, called the page your number back
Speaker 1: and be like what is it? And then I had
Speaker 1: to go to the office to print out the sides
Speaker 1: and print out the appointment sheet. But anyway, I long
Speaker 1: story short, I came in and I booked my first audition,
Speaker 1: which was for e Er and at the time that
Speaker 1: was like the number one show on TV. And my
Speaker 1: agent was like, you should consider staying and uh and
Speaker 1: I said all right, And my buddy was already here
Speaker 1: and he wanted to stay. He was like, let's get
Speaker 1: an apartment. So we got an apartment and I never
Speaker 1: went back. I mean I went back, god twenty years
Speaker 1: later or to work, but never, you know, to go live.
Speaker 1: You were l a based based immediately, Yeah, within a
Speaker 1: couple of months of graduating from school. So and then
Speaker 1: so you get this role on the Er, and so
Speaker 1: things were just really easy from then on out right.
Speaker 1: I mean you just just you just exactly, it's just
Speaker 1: you never stopped working, No, it was. It was a
Speaker 1: good first year and then a good second year. I
Speaker 1: got that movie The Replacements about a year after I graduated,
Speaker 1: and that was the one that was the big shocker.
Speaker 1: When I'm doing that movie and it's a you know,
Speaker 1: one of those big studio films, and you think this
Speaker 1: is the life, this is I'm just gonna leave this
Speaker 1: set and I'm gonna go to the next one and
Speaker 1: then the next one, and I'm on my way. And
Speaker 1: then I didn't work for a year and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, this is this is not gonna this is
Speaker 1: really gonna be tough. But you know, you get little
Speaker 1: gigs here and they're a couple of little guest stars
Speaker 1: on TV shows and you know a voice over a
Speaker 1: commercial that you know, you know, it's just like you
Speaker 1: someone told me a long time ago. You're like juggling,
Speaker 1: you know, all these different aspects of your career and
Speaker 1: you've got to have all of them going and because
Speaker 1: when one of them is down, the other one hopefully
Speaker 1: is up and you just gotta keep juggling him until
Speaker 1: something happens. So I got lucky. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 1: was grateful. So this British show called The Office comes
Speaker 1: out with Ricky Gervais. Now did you watch the show
Speaker 1: when it first came out available? So I had a
Speaker 1: buddy of mine from New York who we did to
Speaker 1: talk with Theater Festival another summer Stock. He called me
Speaker 1: and it was like, David, you've got to watch the show.
Speaker 1: It's right up your alley. It's hilarious. And I hear
Speaker 1: they're doing an American version of it. You've got to
Speaker 1: get on it. And I was like, okay. And he
Speaker 1: never does that. He never did that with any He's
Speaker 1: never done a sinse. So you were like, done, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just get on like I'll make a call. And
Speaker 1: I did watch it. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is genius. And I called my age and immediately
Speaker 1: and my agent said, do you want to do that?
Speaker 1: And I go what I think? Well, they're just looking
Speaker 1: for like improv comedians, like I could improv at Juilliard.
Speaker 1: What what do you talk? Just because I didn't go
Speaker 1: to UCB or whatever doesn't mean I don't I can't
Speaker 1: do that or don't want to do that. And in
Speaker 1: his defense, at that point, that was like the third
Speaker 1: incarnation of a British TV comedy that was somewhat successful
Speaker 1: that they had brought over and they've bombed over and
Speaker 1: over and over again, and so he was just like, here,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be another one of those. And uh, I said,
Speaker 1: just get me an appointment. And at that point they
Speaker 1: had already cast John and Jenna and all those guys
Speaker 1: they were and so he called me back and he goes, old,
Speaker 1: there there they have the part of Roy. When you
Speaker 1: want to go in for that, it's a guest star.
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, yeah, get me in. So I
Speaker 1: went in and gave my audition for all those guys
Speaker 1: and which people can see on the internet, and they
Speaker 1: called back and give me the job. So you know,
Speaker 1: I've done a bud show, movies at that point, a
Speaker 1: bunch of TV. But without a doubt, that's the thing
Speaker 1: that everything we have shifted. It's like you get on
Speaker 1: the number one show, even though it wasn't number one
Speaker 1: right away, it took a long time, but you get
Speaker 1: on a show that was talking about and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, doors open up and opportunities and talk about
Speaker 1: that big break. But it's like I had a lot
Speaker 1: of breaks along the way to get me there, and
Speaker 1: luckily I had more breaks afterwards. You know, like you
Speaker 1: gotta keep getting those breaks. They someone's got a smile
Speaker 1: on you somewhere to to keep it going, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't just keep happening. You know, Had you done
Speaker 1: much comedy at all, or no, I've done comedic movies
Speaker 1: at all, dramatic television. That was the irony the second
Speaker 1: I did the Office, all of a sudden, everybody wanted
Speaker 1: you to come to comedy and that was like, great,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to do it. And then the thing that
Speaker 1: drove me crazy, and I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: it happened to YouTube. I'm sure it did. I would
Speaker 1: walk into these auditions and they would go, I had
Speaker 1: just improvate, like to do in the office, and I
Speaker 1: would go, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm on
Speaker 1: the office. So I can tell you for a fact,
Speaker 1: this isn't all improved. There's actually really amazing writers that
Speaker 1: are writing all these jokes and they're throwing them at us,
Speaker 1: and you know what, they're even adding more jokes to
Speaker 1: it when we do another take. This isn't all just
Speaker 1: our genius that made that show work. Hello, guys, like,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to do that for you, But if you
Speaker 1: want me to write your show, like, that's a different
Speaker 1: job title. I'm happy to perform it. But but it's
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Speaker 1: When you started working on the show, so you you
Speaker 1: had seen the British version, you were a fan of that,
Speaker 1: and we start working on the pilot. What were your
Speaker 1: first impressions, either with working with people or on how
Speaker 1: things went during that pilot shoot? Because you had well
Speaker 1: way more experienced than me, but more experienced than a
Speaker 1: lot of the folks, right, So how was it to you?
Speaker 1: What were your first impressions? Well, you know, I think
Speaker 1: I only have like that once seen in the pilot, right,
Speaker 1: come in with the trash bag, which you don't know
Speaker 1: what is in that trash bag, whether it's human hand
Speaker 1: or something. It was just for some reason, the timing
Speaker 1: wasn't working. Something was off, and I remember Ken Coppas
Speaker 1: was like, hey, let's take a break, and we went downstairs,
Speaker 1: and of course I was panicking and what happened? What
Speaker 1: did I do? You know? And John was like, no, man,
Speaker 1: they're doing this all the time. They're like there, We're
Speaker 1: constantly taking breaks to just clear the air and then
Speaker 1: come back at it. And I think a big part
Speaker 1: of that is because you know, we had those of
Speaker 1: us who had seen the show. It's hard not to
Speaker 1: have that impression, you know. And when you start imitating
Speaker 1: somebody else you know as well as I do, you're
Speaker 1: in trouble because you're never going to do it as
Speaker 1: good as the person who did it originally. UM, So
Speaker 1: you've got to do your own thing and you've got
Speaker 1: to find your own voice in it. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if that had something to do with it or what,
Speaker 1: or it just happened to be, you know, hey, let's
Speaker 1: just shake it up. And so we went downstairs, came
Speaker 1: back up and did like one more take and it
Speaker 1: was like, great, we got it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh that was easy. And then it was, you know,
Speaker 1: a year later before we started filming. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like we had to wait to get picked up and
Speaker 1: then wait and wait. It was like, actually, no, we
Speaker 1: shot that stuff. It was in the fall. It was
Speaker 1: a year later that it aired. It wasn't until like
Speaker 1: April or whatever that we found out how the show
Speaker 1: would turn out. Right. Jenna had a conversation with me
Speaker 1: about backstory. She had a journal about your relationship with
Speaker 1: the relationship between Pam and Roy and her history. Did
Speaker 1: you work with her on your initial backstory or were
Speaker 1: you Were you involved with that at all. I was
Speaker 1: receptive to her ideas it was her show more than
Speaker 1: it was my show. I was just a guest star
Speaker 1: on it. But we did talk about it. You know,
Speaker 1: with all of those things, it's so important to create
Speaker 1: a backstory. But yeah, we did have to go how
Speaker 1: long have we been together and you know when we
Speaker 1: start dating? And how did it? You know, we did.
Speaker 1: We did share those conversations, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: too much of what I said shifted anything I. I
Speaker 1: was just more amenable to her ideas, you know, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I think that's probably right. I think
Speaker 1: they probably kind of fell into this thing and then
Speaker 1: they kind of got into a rut and just kept
Speaker 1: going along, and you know, clearly they weren't happy in
Speaker 1: their relationship, or at least Roy wasn't happy enough to propose.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, the nice the fun thing about
Speaker 1: that show is those talking heads where you you could
Speaker 1: hear characters in her thoughts, you know, and so often
Speaker 1: in television, you're not the characters don't evolve. They want
Speaker 1: the same thing every week, and they want to see
Speaker 1: that dynamic and how it plays out, but they don't
Speaker 1: see a character make a shift or a change. And
Speaker 1: so I was lucky enough to have this like, oh no,
Speaker 1: Roy's gonna lose her, try to win her back, and
Speaker 1: it was like this different character to play in season three,
Speaker 1: and that was really fun to do. And and then
Speaker 1: when I found out that he didn't ever really truly
Speaker 1: evolve by the end of it, you were like, oh no,
Speaker 1: the old Roy's back. And then they, you know, they
Speaker 1: nicely gave me a great little send off in the
Speaker 1: you know, final season of the evolved Roy or whatever,
Speaker 1: which was cool, right. You talk about how trying to
Speaker 1: imitate somebody else's performance, right, So it's was Lee in
Speaker 1: the British version. Did you feel like pretty quickly, you know,
Speaker 1: the character of Roy evolved from that original British version
Speaker 1: or became more tied to you and your sensibilities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, you know, there's also that
Speaker 1: British the reserve, you know, like that guy could be
Speaker 1: just stoic and just kind of like uh and didn't
Speaker 1: say much that that Lee character was kind of like
Speaker 1: that and uh. And they gave me more more things
Speaker 1: to do, more funnier things to say, and be a
Speaker 1: more of a meat head, you know. And you know,
Speaker 1: I went to high school with a bunch of meat heads,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them I didn't like. So this
Speaker 1: was my opportunity to make fun of them. I got
Speaker 1: to carry that with me for the rest of my life,
Speaker 1: you know. But but yeah, I mean it was they did.
Speaker 1: They did right to that. I think. Also the whole
Speaker 1: show just sort of evolved after those first six episodes.
Speaker 1: It got its own voice when they didn't have those
Speaker 1: scripts to to go to and and they had to
Speaker 1: write for us, and they did you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're at least aware, you know that there
Speaker 1: has been a lot of sympathy toward Roy actually and
Speaker 1: his plight. You know, for a long time what what
Speaker 1: would you call emotional cheating that she wanted to be
Speaker 1: with someone else. My question is is that was that
Speaker 1: a conscious decision? I mean, I guess talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the importance of bringing that humanity to Roy,
Speaker 1: which gave him a depth that maybe on other shows
Speaker 1: wouldn't have existed. Well, I gotta say, you know that
Speaker 1: was Greg Daniels. We had a conversation between season two
Speaker 1: and three and he, uh said, I want to make
Speaker 1: Roy more of a rival to Jim. And I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know how we're going to do that because
Speaker 1: he's a he's pretty much a meat head, and we've
Speaker 1: pretty much painted him into a corner that I don't
Speaker 1: know how anyone would ever want to be with this guy.
Speaker 1: And he laugh and said, well, I think we can,
Speaker 1: and I know that you can as an actor, and uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna write towards it. We're gonna try to make
Speaker 1: it happen. And I said, look, in my opinion, the
Speaker 1: only way that there's a chance at that is, if
Speaker 1: Roy is able to realize he's screwed up and try
Speaker 1: to make amends or make it better somehow, and then
Speaker 1: you might have a shot of rooting for him. Unless
Speaker 1: he does that, I don't know how you can because
Speaker 1: he's so thick headed. And he said, yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: to I agree with that, and that's what I was thinking,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, cool, and then we had it
Speaker 1: like in this season three, like the first episode there's
Speaker 1: a talking head of the wedding has been called off
Speaker 1: and and he just has this one moment where he says,
Speaker 1: I gotta winner back. Yeah. It was definitely a conscious
Speaker 1: effort of you know, this guy was you don't realize
Speaker 1: how much you miss something and until they're gone. And
Speaker 1: but at the same token, like I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: that they were the right match for each other. I
Speaker 1: think gets also like you're gonna lose that thing, and
Speaker 1: so you don't want to lose it, and so you know,
Speaker 1: he was definitely in the doghouse trying to trying to
Speaker 1: win her back, and you know, and there are moments
Speaker 1: that they got to where you're like, oh, maybe this
Speaker 1: is gonna happen like maybe they'll push it off for
Speaker 1: another couple of seasons of them getting together, but no,
Speaker 1: it was the season three arc. But yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it's funny. I always say, like, because early on, man,
Speaker 1: I get a lot of hate on the social media.
Speaker 1: You're such a jerk. I hate you. But I would
Speaker 1: always say, just please everyone, don't ever forget that, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm cheated on Roy. Like he may have been a
Speaker 1: numb soul and not a great boyfriend, but come on, like,
Speaker 1: Roy isn't the guy that was doing that. Do you
Speaker 1: think Roy never cheated? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never thought about it, but I never did on camera.
Speaker 1: You never did on camera. That's we don't know what
Speaker 1: that character did. I did Roy probably cheated early on
Speaker 1: in their relationship. I would be. I would guess he
Speaker 1: just treated her so poorly. Yeah, he didn't really have
Speaker 1: much respect for her, and I think it was probably
Speaker 1: when she called it off that all of a sudden
Speaker 1: did have respect for him, and it was like, oh okay, right,
Speaker 1: So in Booze Crows, I mean it occurs to me
Speaker 1: as you're talking that it feels like, really about you
Speaker 1: sensing something between Jim and Pam and just wanting to
Speaker 1: stop it as opposed to really wanting to be with her.
Speaker 1: Is that is that how you viewed it? Did you
Speaker 1: talk to Greg about it at all? No? I didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about it, but it felt that way,
Speaker 1: and when we shot it, and that it was a rivalry,
Speaker 1: it was also I have to do this, you know,
Speaker 1: and he saw them flirting with each other and just
Speaker 1: blurted it out. So yeah, we didn't really talk about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's fair to say that he
Speaker 1: was more interested in shutting that down than really being
Speaker 1: so madly in love with Pam. I don't think that
Speaker 1: that was the case. And also he had quite a
Speaker 1: few drinks, you know, and was like festive and like
Speaker 1: all right, let's just do this thing, you know, like,
Speaker 1: let's just do it. We could deal with the ramifications later.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he woke up the next morning and was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we did, so boy, what do we do? Um? There's
Speaker 1: fan theories. Do you think Roy ever cheated on Pam
Speaker 1: with Angelo? Definitely did not. You know, I don't even
Speaker 1: think he knew Angela's name. I really don't. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was. It was that invested. But
Speaker 1: I haven't watched them back since we originally did them,
Speaker 1: so maybe there's a lot more in there that they edited. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: but there's also a fan theory that Kevin is a
Speaker 1: secret genius who embezzled millions of dollars from dunder Mifflin
Speaker 1: and and he knew what was going on the whole time.
Speaker 1: So it's certainly possible that that they know more than
Speaker 1: I do. I do have to ask you about this.
Speaker 1: It has become, I guess, one of my favorite stories
Speaker 1: in life. But right around this time, mid season two,
Speaker 1: Steve gets nominated for a Golden Global Ward. And do
Speaker 1: you remember that we met at my house and you
Speaker 1: drove us too. You drove a group of us to
Speaker 1: the Beverly Hilton, and my recollection is a Honda Civic
Speaker 1: and we showed up like the Beverly Hillbillies to the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hilton for the Golden Globes where we were on
Speaker 1: the rooftop, not allowed in the actual room. And we
Speaker 1: drove up and they were like you morons, like there's
Speaker 1: no valet, this is a red carpet, and we're not
Speaker 1: taking your car, and you were like, no problem, guys,
Speaker 1: I'll go park, and you like had to park miles
Speaker 1: away and walk back. Do you remember this story? I
Speaker 1: swear to you I do not, but I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: that is an awful answer, don't. I wish, I wish
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remembered us being upstairs at that party,
Speaker 1: having quite a few drinks, and when when Steve won,
Speaker 1: like it was like we won the super Bowl, like
Speaker 1: so pumped and so excited for him and the show.
Speaker 1: But now that you're saying and I'm putting it all together,
Speaker 1: like literally right now, and I do remember being at
Speaker 1: your house, you don't remember. I'm sure I did. And
Speaker 1: I had, God, I had an old, beat up Honda
Speaker 1: was a Chord Chord. It was a four door. It
Speaker 1: was old and beat up though, I mean it was
Speaker 1: my old, agents old car. My car broke down and
Speaker 1: I needed a car. I said, can I can? I
Speaker 1: can I buy your car? And she was like, uh, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: just uh just pay me back when you can. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need a job and she was like okay, Like
Speaker 1: she I was driving her car around for a couple
Speaker 1: of months before I had enough money to pay it off.
Speaker 1: It was only like or something, but it was like
Speaker 1: it was an old beat up car. So we pulled
Speaker 1: up like along the side of Wilsher Bulevard and you
Speaker 1: were like, you guys, get out, I'll go park who
Speaker 1: alway was in the car with us, Oscar and Angela
Speaker 1: at least I can't fully remembering. It's become one of
Speaker 1: my favorite memories of the time. And um that line.
Speaker 1: I wish we knew we were in the good old
Speaker 1: days while they were happening, because that, for me, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of just the purity of that no limo,
Speaker 1: no red carpet. I didn't even know that we were
Speaker 1: invited on the red carpet. We may have kind of
Speaker 1: walked through and people were like, who are they don't
Speaker 1: you're not allowed in the room. Nobody knew we were.
Speaker 1: I was surprised that we even got the invite to
Speaker 1: the NBC party on the roof. You know, so many
Speaker 1: of those parties, like early on shortly after that, we
Speaker 1: did get like cars to go to like the SAG
Speaker 1: Awards and things like that. Right, yes, no, yes, we
Speaker 1: didn't remember ever driving to another one of those parts. No,
Speaker 1: that was it. That was it. I think that was it.
Speaker 1: I do remember we went to the SAG Awards, I
Speaker 1: think it was the year later maybe, and we partied
Speaker 1: so hard. It was like we thought that that party
Speaker 1: was for us, Like the open bar. We were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is amazing, and everyone's looking at
Speaker 1: us like, oh my god, you guys, and we're dancing.
Speaker 1: We took over the dance floor, the dance floor, and
Speaker 1: like it was so much fun. And now when I
Speaker 1: go to those parties, I always see those like first
Speaker 1: year shows and those kids doing the same thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that anywhere because now I know it's a
Speaker 1: work party. Have a drink, say hello everybody you know,
Speaker 1: and keep your head down. But like, yeah, that innocence
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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. What was it like coming back to
Speaker 1: the show when you would be gone for a bit
Speaker 1: and then you would come back. Well, those early days,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't in every episode, you guys were so
Speaker 1: stir crazy, like stuck in that room with the same
Speaker 1: faces to look at for twelve hours a day, all
Speaker 1: day long. So when I would come in, you guys
Speaker 1: were so like, hey, even, oh my god, there's another
Speaker 1: person here. And you guys were so excited to see me.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. Um it was. It was hilarious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that show evolved over time, and everybody's evolved
Speaker 1: with it, and everyone's kind of star broke out in
Speaker 1: different ways and different things, and it was a different show.
Speaker 1: It was a different show those later years. Everyone was
Speaker 1: still very nice, but you were there. We weren't driving
Speaker 1: to an awards ceremony and your beat up Honda everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that, Like, what was it, season three? All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, everyone pulls up in new cars and
Speaker 1: you're like, it was like, oh, all right, I guess
Speaker 1: everybody was going to be around a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you have any conversations with Greg when you agreed
Speaker 1: to come back with your new fiance? Uh? And you
Speaker 1: invite Jim and Pam to your wedding. Did you have
Speaker 1: any conversations with Greg about what you wanted in terms
Speaker 1: of resolution to the character. That was all that I
Speaker 1: did come to find out, like that John was always
Speaker 1: sort of pitching to try to get me around, uh,
Speaker 1: stir up some of that conflict that they had those
Speaker 1: early years. That was fun stuff for us to play. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know there was. I did that one
Speaker 1: episode in five and then and then they brought me
Speaker 1: in for the threat level Midnight or something and uh,
Speaker 1: and they cut me out of that episode. So I'm
Speaker 1: only in the extras of that. And then they called me.
Speaker 1: That was the crazy one. Was that Jim and Pam's wedding.
Speaker 1: They called me with that crazy pitch that now is
Speaker 1: out there. I was shooting a movie up in Maine
Speaker 1: and they were like, can you come in to do
Speaker 1: this Niagara false thing? And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I'll be able to, Like, we had to
Speaker 1: carve it out of the schedule. And so then they
Speaker 1: did carve it out. And the last second they called
Speaker 1: and said it's not happening, and I was like at
Speaker 1: all and They're like, not happening. Riding in on a
Speaker 1: horse in the middle of the way. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was so crazy. I'm so glad somebody stepped in. It
Speaker 1: was like, guys, I think they were jumping the shark here.
Speaker 1: This is a little bit too much. It did not
Speaker 1: feel at all like what Roy would have done either
Speaker 1: when I was being pitched in or told it. But
Speaker 1: I didn't have any any say in that at all.
Speaker 1: But I was so grateful that they that they pivoted
Speaker 1: at the end. And I thought that that episode was
Speaker 1: a beautiful episode and I loved how it ended. And
Speaker 1: sometimes people get locked into an idea and they think
Speaker 1: that's the best thing, and then and then when when
Speaker 1: they're forced to pivot on something, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: something even more beautiful comes out of it that you
Speaker 1: don't anticipate often. And I think that's a perfect example
Speaker 1: of of of an episode that turned out that way. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because I think that bond of our
Speaker 1: early times we got so close, Like you know, even
Speaker 1: when you would leave for a while, we may have
Speaker 1: jumped to you because we wanted somebody else to look at,
Speaker 1: but it was never like oh that guy is back,
Speaker 1: like you were always a part of the ensemble. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that has to do with how the show started
Speaker 1: and what we were born out of. I've always felt
Speaker 1: that way. I couldn't agree more. I did never Yeah,
Speaker 1: people's excitement was not nothing about like anything other than
Speaker 1: a new face and look at and talk to me,
Speaker 1: like what have you been up to? But it was.
Speaker 1: But we did all bund even for me, who was
Speaker 1: not in all of the episodes. But those early years
Speaker 1: I remember so much just hanging out and playing video
Speaker 1: games and the trailers and yeah, I mean, but you know,
Speaker 1: a big part of that too is who was steering
Speaker 1: the ship of Steve. You know, he was the most
Speaker 1: humble guy, and here he was by the time we
Speaker 1: shot the pilot, and by the time it aired that
Speaker 1: second season, one of the biggest movie stars around at
Speaker 1: that planet, and he was still the same guy, humble,
Speaker 1: down to earth, excited about the same things creatively, would
Speaker 1: listen to you, and you know, it was just like
Speaker 1: and that's he's still that guy today. I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember I just ran into him, not just but like
Speaker 1: right before COVID we were in the parking lot. We
Speaker 1: talked for like an hour, like and it was just
Speaker 1: like like no time had passed between the last time
Speaker 1: I saw him and then, and I've been in a
Speaker 1: lot of shows that a lot of people and people
Speaker 1: as famous as he is, and that is not always
Speaker 1: the case at all. He's a special human and um,
Speaker 1: I always say he's my favorite actor I've ever worked
Speaker 1: with and been around because his talent as as he is,
Speaker 1: he's just that nice as a human being. Yeah. Basically
Speaker 1: every single person that I've talked to over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, I've said exactly the same thing. Kind
Speaker 1: of just doesn't get any better in terms of his
Speaker 1: talent or just his decency as a person. Had a
Speaker 1: tremendous impact on not just the show but all of
Speaker 1: us individually. And it's hard to it's hard to put
Speaker 1: that into words with other shows, and people have asked,
Speaker 1: and I can't put my finger on it other than
Speaker 1: just being a professional, always showing up on time, doing
Speaker 1: his job, and always making everyone's day better. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is exactly what it is. He always showed up, He
Speaker 1: always worked as hard as he possibly could and was
Speaker 1: working harder than anyone else, and was still decent and
Speaker 1: kind to everyone that he interacted with forever. And you know,
Speaker 1: he taught me a really important lesson him, and I
Speaker 1: mean it's like name drops Central, but Robin Williams as well.
Speaker 1: This sort of mantra of it takes just as much
Speaker 1: energy to be nice than it does to be an ass.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of is as simple as that,
Speaker 1: do your job and do it excellently and at the
Speaker 1: same time be kind to everyone around you. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems so simple, but it isn't always the case, you know.
Speaker 1: I know. So after the office you've been busy, continuing
Speaker 1: to work hard and return to some drama. I want
Speaker 1: to just for a few minutes, because this is selfish.
Speaker 1: I loved your performance and the show, Mayor of Easttown,
Speaker 1: So congratulations on that show. How is that to work
Speaker 1: on for you? Just as lovely as you can imagine?
Speaker 1: Kate is as great as Steve is. Kate's equal part
Speaker 1: as a hug and being and as an actress. She's
Speaker 1: just so down to earth and so great. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: of those things you know I just said about Steve,
Speaker 1: just take them and dump them right on over to Kate.
Speaker 1: The thing it was great from talking about background and
Speaker 1: all that stuff that Jenna was doing with her character
Speaker 1: from the get go. You know, we had to do
Speaker 1: all that stuff with our characters, because we had twenty
Speaker 1: plus years of a relationship and a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that had gone down that we had to know and
Speaker 1: had to figure out. And so you know, that was
Speaker 1: our rehearsal. That's all we did. We got together and
Speaker 1: we just talked with her and I and UH and
Speaker 1: Jeans Smart and Gowery, with the writer and a director
Speaker 1: and just flushing out all of that history because you
Speaker 1: have to have that history to play that subtext. And
Speaker 1: if you if we're not both thinking about the same
Speaker 1: thing when she's saying our grandson is blinking again, if
Speaker 1: we both don't know that's the same thing that our
Speaker 1: son did, you don't have that history, you know, you
Speaker 1: can't play that moment. So yeah, we got to do
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And Uh, it was a crazy experience,
Speaker 1: just in the sense of we had to get shut
Speaker 1: down for COVID for six months and then come back
Speaker 1: and then I had more hair at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season than I did at the end. But we
Speaker 1: shut it all together, and you know, it's like stuff
Speaker 1: like that, You're like, God, this took a lot longer
Speaker 1: than anyone anticipated. Kate was so so specific about detail,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, like she would do these things
Speaker 1: and it's like most people wouldn't you know, wouldn't appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But as an actor, I'm watching her and I'm just going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, again she's she's doing that, and it's
Speaker 1: all behavior stuff like she grabs the cheese it and
Speaker 1: she puts the cheese whiz on and I remember, and
Speaker 1: I just watched her in the moment when we did
Speaker 1: the rehearsal. She goes, I gotta have I need like, like,
Speaker 1: what's that cheese spread stuff? Like I need that. I
Speaker 1: want to put her like on a cheese it or something.
Speaker 1: And they were like, okay, let's find some cheese wizz
Speaker 1: and and it. I mean, she must have done twenty
Speaker 1: takes of that, pouring it on and eating it. They
Speaker 1: never saw her eat it like it cuts it before
Speaker 1: and it was like, no, she almost pukes that day
Speaker 1: just to get that bit and you didn't even use it.
Speaker 1: Her mind worked, you know, in such creative ways of
Speaker 1: really digging into that character, and she spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time with you know, detectives and being in that area.
Speaker 1: I I got to listen to accents of people in
Speaker 1: that region, and it was an amazing experience. It was great.
Speaker 1: It was all the stuff you hope it would be
Speaker 1: when you sign on to do one of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you talked about behavior, because we've talked about that quite
Speaker 1: a bit. That character behavior was so much a basis
Speaker 1: of what The Office was, and I think it's really
Speaker 1: about the characters and those behaviors and not painting the
Speaker 1: quote unquote bad guys as bad guys or the idiots
Speaker 1: as just idiots. That there's a complexity and a depth
Speaker 1: to the character that is so vitally important. I think
Speaker 1: I agree with that sentiment about The Office, I resolutely.
Speaker 1: I just love that type of comedy too. That's grounded
Speaker 1: in reality that makes you so uncomfortable you have to
Speaker 1: you have to laugh or some people can't take it.
Speaker 1: I have friends and be like, I can't watch that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just too it's so uncomfortable. What he what he says,
Speaker 1: those things, and I just eat that up. But it's
Speaker 1: it's grounded in reality and behavior, and it's about also
Speaker 1: character development and obviously a huge journey and arc with Roy,
Speaker 1: but so much of the work that you have done
Speaker 1: over the years that that attention to detail and character
Speaker 1: is there throughout and I admire you so much as
Speaker 1: an actor, and you know, want you to know how
Speaker 1: our even if you don't fully remember our Honda car ride,
Speaker 1: those early days and the time that we shared and
Speaker 1: getting to watch you work was always such a pleasure
Speaker 1: for me. So thank you David so much for your
Speaker 1: work and and for for joining us today. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you so much. Right back at you, I've always been
Speaker 1: a fan and I'm excited for you to be doing
Speaker 1: these deep dives. I mean, like, it's crazy how long
Speaker 1: this thing has lasted. It's a beautiful thing. I'm grateful
Speaker 1: for it. It's crazy. I'll close by asking you, then,
Speaker 1: why do you think that this show is bigger now
Speaker 1: than it ever was when we were shooting? Oh boy?
Speaker 1: I mean I would just go back to something Steve
Speaker 1: said when we first started doing it, and he was like,
Speaker 1: this is not going to be everyone's cup of tea.
Speaker 1: We have to let people find this show. If we
Speaker 1: try to make it like what's already out there and
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. We have to do our own
Speaker 1: thing with it. They had done office comedies before, and
Speaker 1: they'll do them again in the future, but ours was
Speaker 1: unique at the time. You know reality TV was had
Speaker 1: been in our our our universe so that we could
Speaker 1: use that format that I don't think anyone had really
Speaker 1: used that format, and I think that's that's unique about it.
Speaker 1: And frankly, because you have streaming, no one is going
Speaker 1: to try to do this right now, because why would
Speaker 1: you if you could just go watch The Office, You're
Speaker 1: not gonna try to do the same thing. So I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna last. It's going to continue to last,
Speaker 1: I think, and so many people go back to this
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Speaker 1: David so much. Thanks for coming on the problem brother.
Speaker 1: Good to see again. David, You're the best. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: that so much. You are an actor's actor, and I
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Speaker 1: characters you have created with such intelligence, depth and sincerity.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much, and for talking all about Roy,
Speaker 1: who I dare say is one of the most overlooked
Speaker 1: actors on the Office. Thank you for joining me, my friend,
Speaker 1: it was indeed my pleasure. The rest of you, We'll
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