WEBVTT - Ep. 4: Intensity Turned Up on Day 7 of Camp | Jags A.M. Podcast 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.800 Day eight of training camp is getting started right now, Brian, John, 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.520 who were you most impressed with since the. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:09.639 Pads have gone on Tuesday? 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:11.440 What are you saying? 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.159 We are you most impressed with since the pads of 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:14.640 Walker and the. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.560 Way that he's played in one or one matchups. 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.160 Yeah, I would have gone with Walker, but Brian took it, 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:24.560 so I'll go so far with a hesitant understanding and 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.400 needs to show more. Uh, calebon Chase Don has looked 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:28.320 awfully good at times. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.080 Welcome into jags Am. It's August third, and we are 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:54.279 in day eight of training camp. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:55.000 Who's a live look. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.920 They're getting out there, getting stretching, getting going, and we're 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.320 got you covered with all of your jags Am news 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.920 that you need today. Now we did mention pads went 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.639 on Tuesday, so things have been a little bit different 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.360 this week, and not necessarily players you've been seeing, but 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:09.800 it's a different vibe now right. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.279 It feels like it's officially started. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:12.959 I think that's true. I think you've got guys that 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.480 understand that now they're expected to perform, not that they 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.000 weren't before, but the evaluation takes on a different level 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.840 here and John, we'll start talking about another week or two, 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.800 the reps start becoming more and more precious for the 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.880 guys who are on the bottom of the roster because 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.880 they become fewer and fewer as we get closer to 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:30.679 the start of the season. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.600 Yeah, no doubt, And I thought, I think everybody who 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.319 watched it thought that yesterday's practice was a little sloppy. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.840 But Ryan o'haller ran from the Buffalo News he used 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.920 to be here with the Floda Times Union kind of 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.640 came to me afterward and laughed. He said, how many 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.840 times have we seen it where the second day in 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.800 pads is sloppy because it's always Yeah, they're getting used 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.760 to it again, they've had that one day. You're a 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.320 little draggy, So I expect today to be much better. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.360 Kai all right, our big thing number one, and obviously 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.040 that the pads are on now. Head coach Doug Peterson 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.880 talked to us yesterday, talked to the media, and he 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.680 talked about at this point in the training camp he 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.919 likes to just get that physicality out there and kind 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:11.560 of set the tone and see what this team will 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:12.600 be going forward. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:18.400 A camp progresses, right, you want to establish an identity, 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.880 you want to you want to have some sort of 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.400 physicality about you with the pass rush, and so yesterday 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.200 it was just trying to do that, trying to establish 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:32.560 that physicality, trying to establish you know, that sort of 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.240 that persona of who who can we be? 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.800 I thought that sound by yesterday said everything about how 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.640 the league has changed. Right when Doug was a player 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.680 in the nineties, there wasn't some sort of physicality that 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.200 you were trying to establish. That was what training camp was. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.000 I mean, far be it from me to sound like 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.040 the old man in the room, but they used to 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.800 practice twice a day in full pads. Topic manus was 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.400 out there when there's imagine if you only had one 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.119 a day and how well you'd perform. But the reality 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.320 of it is is that it was all about physicality. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.760 That's what the football game is about physicality, and it 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.960 tells you exactly how a coach has to navigate training 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.640 camp with limited hitting to protect his salary cap and 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.920 his team going forward. It told to me I just 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.160 that was everything. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:21.720 Well, I am the old man in the room, so 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.440 it's not close to the same. And training camp really, 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.560 if anybody went to training camp from I started coming 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.480 nine five from N ten they would not call what 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.840 happens now training camp no, because you go to practice 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.960 in the morning and then you're off the field, especially 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:40.520 with the media. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.320 I mean, we're at. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.440 One practice that we don't see anything else for the 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.280 rest of the day, and he used to be two days. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.080 It's a completely different thing. So it's it's a bunch 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:55.040 of practices strung together, but now that you're off my lawn, Kai, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:04:01.320 that's on. The interesting thing about what Doug says is 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:07.600 how much coaches have to have a plan now for 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.480 how to get your team physical because there's an acknowledge 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.480 around the league. You cannot hit I expect him to 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.360 hit hard, mean idea players hitting hard maybe twice sometime 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:23.680 in the next eight practices, but you cannot do that 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.560 every day anymore and expect to survive and get your 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.840 team to So you have to plan it out and 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.880 be very careful of how you're going to be a 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.240 physical team. Much different, as you say, Brian, than you 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:33.880 used to be well. 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:35.760 And it kind of ties into my Caldwell from the 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.680 day before. The defensive coordinator was asked repeatedly about a 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.599 tackling plan and how do you practice tackling. You didn't 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.200 even think about it. Back then, you just did it. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:45.920 That was part of the day. You were in full 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.840 pads twice a day, and so tackling wasn't even part 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.200 of it. You really have to think it out, and 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.279 for all the right reasons. I mean, player safety has 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.840 become a huge issue. You're in the hottest part of 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.400 the year down here, and you can't afford to replace 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.600 guys in the salary cap e were like you could before, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.200 So you got to be smart. It's just a completely 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:06.000 different approach. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.640 Would you rather be a great tackling team, kay, or 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.640 have Calvin Ridley and Josh Allen to start week one? 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.400 It's a fine line to walk. You want to protect 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.279 your players, the talent that they have out there. You 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:15.800 want to have them when the season starts. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.240 The old school coaching, I want both. Why can't I 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:18.640 have both? 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.600 Uh? Because now if you do that, you're going to 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:24.919 get your bet fired at the end of the season 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:25.919 for losing players. 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:26.160 And being dumb. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.840 And Doug is not dumb. He's very smart. So it's 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.599 a fine line to walk. And he's doing a great job. 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.360 But do you want to talk a big thing? Number 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.479 two is year two, right, so for everybody in the 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.560 coaching staff and a lot of these players dealing with 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.840 their system for the second year round. Josh Allen spoke 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:40.440 to us on the first day of pads and he 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.800 said he's liking what he's seeing so far in terms 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.200 of the game plan and kind of how they're going 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.800 to go about the pass rush differently this season. 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:50.680 There's a lot of new calls that I really like. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.920 You know, I want to see them every week because 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.760 I think they'll really work for us. But in order 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.720 to do that, we have to be successful all. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:58.280 Here one on them. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.800 So you know, I saw new calls, the new plays 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.480 that benefits us. Let's let's take it up alot on 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:04.040 k nots. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:05.560 Brian. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.479 What do you take out of what he's saying in 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.160 terms of how they're going to try to rush a 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.080 little bit earlier. I mean, we put so much focus 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.680 on the pass rush. That is it simple as that, Well, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.239 just trying to rush earlier in the downs. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.279 It's mixing things up a little bit. Remember, Mike was 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.560 his it was the first year defensive coordinator. You know, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.479 he had been a linebacker and a linebacker's coach for 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.080 a long time. But when you're actually having to make 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.520 the calls and to adjust, And I think that was 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.279 the interesting part. We talked about Mike Caldwell's lack of 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.360 adjustments at time last year, and he basically said after 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.160 the season and before practice the other day that that's 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.880 just part of the learning curve for him to be 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:44.200 able to know what his players do well and where 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.120 he can make adjustments. He feels much more comfortable in 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.560 year two, and so the players do, and now he 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.760 knows what Josh Allen likes to do, wants to do, 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.320 capable of doing. Will he feel comfortable rushing the passer 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:02.080 on first down really going after him? We'll see, even 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.920 that's a quarterback and not a quarterback. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.599 It's hard to know what they're saying in terms of 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.280 how it's going to translate toys sair on the field, 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.920 because they're not gonna give away what they're doing, nor 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.480 should they. I thought the most interesting about what Mike 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:19.560 Caldwell said about this was how he felt like at 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:24.680 times last year that I don't want to say, micromanage, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.560 but tried to make the perfect call every time. And 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.440 it certainly sounded to me like there'll be more instances 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.360 of just letting the players play and trust that if 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:42.040 you get them in the right defense, generally speaking, more often, 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.760 that there's talent out there to make the plays, and 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.200 that you don't necessarily remember he came from a Todd 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:53.160 Bowles system where Todd had had infinite experience and it's 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.560 very detailed and it's bringing something new and unique every time. Well, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.000 I expend to keep doing that, but it certainly sounded 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.440 to me like he's backing off that a little bit 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.360 and saying, keep it simple, go play football. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.880 So think also about all the guys who were together, right, So, yeah, 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.440 Foyer Lucon who was new last year, lining up next 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.840 to two young players in Chad Mumma and Devin Lloyd, 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.440 and you had a young Trayvon Walker, and you had 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.600 fully fought Tukasi in the middle, and you Andre Cisco 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.280 had moved into the starting lineup. Everything was new and 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.080 they didn't know so new coordinator, new players, new scheme. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.000 Trying to be complex. 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.560 Absolutely, so this year that should all change. So I 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.319 think what Josh is really stating is the obvious is, Hey, 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.280 we're ready to take that next step and to be 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.520 a better football team. Now we've got the communication down 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.960 and we understand what the guy next to us is 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.840 capable of doing, and we trust him to do his 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.520 job so that we can do ours. 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.880 You're hoping I'll freeze up a little more creativity, obviously adjustments, 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.959 and maybe we'll see something a little bit different. Obviously 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.079 what they did, you know, wasn't quite working for him. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.280 So hopefully this year we'll see something a little bit. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.400 I thank you because Todd Bowles is super aggressive and 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.720 and I think my cold will will now feel comfortable 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:01.959 with what. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.400 He's Scott all right, let's hope. 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.800 So our last big thing of the day is not 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.000 yet we don't have a SoundBite about it necessarily, but 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.120 it's that, you know, he gets so hyped about training 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.200 camp coming up, and then we talked a little bit 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:14.880 about it already, but yesterday it was kind of a dud. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.079 Wasn't a great practice, right, And it was that first 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.280 uh well second practice, the first practice after the first 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.600 padded practice, and he kind of saw a little bit 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.600 of a letdown. And I think it's important for us 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.599 to remind people that as excited as we are for 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.160 football to come back, this is a grind. It's training camp, right, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.920 We've talked about they're gonna have those you know, three 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.440 four hard practices right in a row, coming up with 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.640 us in stadium scrimmage on Saturday, and it's just kind 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.480 of tempering some expectations a little bit, not to like 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.240 get anybody less hype, but just be like, yeah, they're 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.079 gonna have an off day. Well, bout today is a 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.559 big day to see, you know, if they can get 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:47.199 back on track. 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:47.600 Maybe. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.000 Well we're still five weeks away from the regular season, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.400 so I'll clarify I said, I said earlier. I thought 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.680 it was a sloppy practice, but I didn't think it 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:57.559 lacked intensity. 0:09:58.559 --> 0:09:59.720 I think effort was certainly there. 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.040 Yeah, I thought it looked sloppy to us because there 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.200 were a lot of balls on the ground. They hadn't 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.199 been on the ground yet. But Brian, you wrote about it, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.959 and I did too. The one on one coverage drill 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.520 was as intense as I've seen a drill this practice, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:19.760 I mean, uh, this training camp. And I was struck 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.719 in trying to write it later. I was struck by 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.920 how to sort of phrase it. Of I didn't think 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.840 they were necessarily not improving just because passes were being dropped. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.600 There was really hard work between the corners covering these guys. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.760 Between guys getting open. So I thought, I'll bet if 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.320 you asked Doug held say, it was a fine practice 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.280 the defense had. This team is not going to drop passes. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.719 I mean, Calvin Ridley I think had four drops. Well, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.560 his history shows us that that's not going to be 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.800 his norms. I don't worry about that. I don't think 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.040 they lost any ground. I don't think you lose grind 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.760 at one, but just part of the problem. You will 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.400 see efficiency pick back up as guys get more used 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:00.880 to be in past. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.160 I just want to point this out. The first rep 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:08.920 between Calvin Ridley and Tyson Campbell, it was a nasty 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.120 little move that Calvin used to get open and it 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.360 turned Tyson around and Tyson was really hot with himself 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.960 before the second and by the way Calvin dropped the ball. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.560 The second rep, Tshaye Townsend comes over and grabs Tyson, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.360 like I wrote, like a boxer and his manager in 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.240 the ring, and across the field here comes Trevor Lawrence 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.679 to do the exact same thing with Calvin Ridley. I mean, 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.240 there was such a competitiveness to it. And the thing 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.360 that I loved, which I thought was really good at practice, 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:40.400 was every other defensive back watched that want to be Tyson. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.360 They wanted their matchup no matter who they were lined 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.120 up against with right to be as intense as that. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.880 It sets a tempo and expectation level for how the 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.160 defensive backs are going to play. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.080 I thought it was an important moment absolutely, and to 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.040 see one on one, the best of the best going 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.880 against each other, how could you not like improve from 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.559 that and enjoy watching it as well. So hopefully the 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.080 team takes a lot out of that. 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All right, 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.720 we're gonna talk about the fifty three because obviously everyone 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.840 in training camp wants to make that final roster, and 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:50.960 there are some names that we don't talk about a 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.160 ton or maybe just people that are doing really well 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:58.240 in training camp that you didn't necessarily have your eye on. So, Brian, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.160 who did you want to talk about today that you've 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.520 either seen out there or needs to have. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.280 A really good training guy that I've seen every day 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.959 a young man named Devad Wilson, who is a UCF 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:13.400 undrafted rookie free agent, a cornerback. He started at Georgia 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.280 and then transferred to UCF. He's a big guy, so 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.559 he's got length. He's six foot, he's one hundred and 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.360 ninety pounds, long, arms of big hands. So he made 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:25.679 plays yesterday. I made three pass deflections on Wednesday against 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.960 first and second team receivers. He was more than holding 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.280 his own both sides of the field, middle of the field, 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.320 he was flopping, he was inside. He showed me a 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.160 depth of ability and I was really impressed with the kid. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.560 And then start talking about special teams, because a guy 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.040 like this, if he's gonna have any shot at the 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.560 fifty three, it's gonna have to be a contribute on 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.800 special teams. Same thing, he can do a lot of 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.440 different things. Gunnar line up inside on coverage teams. He's 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.640 an interesting talent. I'm looking forward to the chance to 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.040 actually talk to the kid and figure out if he's 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.480 got the mental makeup for this game. But it sure 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.120 looks like he's a player who's going to be challenging 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.520 at the bottom of the roster for one of those spots. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.000 Talented kid in john what's looking like a deep group 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.880 of young defensive backs. I know you're not gonna mention him, 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:16.040 so I will Eric Hamlet, the safety from pitt six 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:17.680 or seventh round pick. I forget there were so many 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.440 of them. He broke up a couple of passes yesterday 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.840 and looked like a guy who was, you know, starting 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.240 to get his legs underneath him. So as I watched 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.560 you know, Hamlet and Wilson in particular, I said, there 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.680 is a group of young defensive backs and that's important. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.920 We said this was a storyline for training camp and 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.440 an important one. It looks pretty good right now. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.760 It's deep. I think you still want them to rise 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.320 and see somebody who will prove it on the field 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.360 that they can't do it. Is that maybe your guy 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.560 John Well, probably not in the sense that Brian's talking about. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.000 I went with Antonio Johnson, and people say, well, I've 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.080 heard of Antonio Johnson. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:55.360 He said a couple of really good days. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.360 But remember, it's all about me, and it is. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:01.240 Before we started the show. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.400 It's all about john My approach though, and anybody who 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.360 ever listens to me or bothers to read me when 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:11.480 I expect nothing from rookies, including first round rookies, I 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.240 just don't. Typically they need a year to be the 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:19.000 impact guy, you think, and so I don't pay much 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.320 attention to him in camp exceptsode. Okay, Well, he's gonna 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.320 be around. Antonio Johnson might be an exception, and I 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.840 know everybody's excited about him. He's slid in the draft. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.760 Usually those guys who slide in the draft don't quite 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.720 work out because you've heard of them, but there's a 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:34.720 reason they don't get drafted. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:34.960 Right. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.440 Well, all of a sudden you start watching him in practice, 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:44.160 and he makes a play every day every day. We 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:49.040 talked this morning, special teams. He clearly is excelling in 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:49.680 that area. 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.440 Make the team sometimes at the end of a roscie. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.080 Yeah he'll make the team, but it sounds like he's 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:56.240 gonna be a special team start. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:57.200 He's gonna have a rule. 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.200 I don't know that he's going to be the nickel 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.800 guy that everybody wants him to be this year. Fans 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.520 as me all the time, he's gonna be the nickel 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.320 And talking to Jeff Logham on the field yesterday, we're 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.560 talking about different guys, and he said, you know, just 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.880 don't quite see him being able to cover in that 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.560 nickel spot the way you have to. But as a 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.240 future safety, Oh yeah, all of a sudden, and the 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.680 future could be late this year. Yeah, all of a sudden, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.520 You've got another guy who you believe can be a 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.520 really good position player for you to build as you 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:33.320 go forward and to help Salary Cavey. He's everything that 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:38.680 you think you want in a developmental guy. News flash. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:39.920 I'm excited about a rookie. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:44.080 Hey kid. I made a conservation about him earlier this week. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.960 He was covering in one on ones Jamal agnew that's 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.840 tough for a rookie, but he stayed close enough that 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.800 when CJ. Bethler just tried to drop the ball high 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.360 and into his hands in the end zone, that he 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.360 went up and high pointed the ball and got it away. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.360 It was a tremendous athletic play. And I wrote that 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.280 day this kid's going to have a future, and the 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.600 future could be this year. I really think that he's 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.720 going to work his way into Mike Coldwell's scheme somehow, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.040 some way. There's no doubt you have your eyes on 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.280 a rookie and are interested in him because he's making 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:14.720 you beat that. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.439 Yeah, not a matter of when, but how quickly with him. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.240 It really feels like from what we've seen so far, 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.439 at least the person I picked is not a young player. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.160 In fact, it's fully fought to CAUSSI who came here 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.000 on that three year deal, paid him a bit of money, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.720 underperformed last year. I think fair to say a lot 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.800 get a caph injury that I think, Yeah, he definitely, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.800 you know, was lingered. I was hurt by that, and 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.520 then also a new system as well, everybody was dealing with. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.000 You know, he's a new player to the team. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.720 But Doug doesn't name check a ton of people, and 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.280 he's brought him up at least two or three separate 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.879 times since camp has begun about being impressed with his 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.399 effort out there, what he's been able to do. And 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.640 if your head coach is seeing you with all that's 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.159 going on and saying how much he's expecting out of 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:56.920 you in the second year in a system. I think 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.200 there's a little bit of pressure on him, but he's 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.160 rising up to that from what we've seen so far. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:08.400 Well, If he's good Brian and Kot, Yes, then all 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.480 of a sudden, you're really good on the interior of 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:20.320 the defense without needing to help in the interior Devon, Hamilton, Foyer, Fightacosi. 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.320 All of a sudden, you've got three guys where you're 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.040 not trying to pinch down, you're not trying to always 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.160 help there. That should help what everybody's concerned about, which 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.000 is the pass rush. And then all of a sudden, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.439 you're really good against the run, which usually teams that 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.560 are good against the run get better against the pass 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.040 rush because they're in better pass rushing situations. So he's 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.399 really important. I admit I was one of those people 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.880 last year that maybe had written them off a little 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.560 bit as Okay, he's gonna be okay, but not gonna 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.240 be an impact guy because he didn't really see it 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.000 last year. If he's that, then all of a sudden, 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:52.160 this defense gets better fast. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.960 You saw it early in the preseason opener against Cleveland 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.600 first series, Roy Robertson Harris, Devon Hamilton and fully fought 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:03.120 Ducossi dominated. Remember that's a powerful running game in Cleveland. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:04.960