1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back to his own seven y'all were going to 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: continue this series on the murders of Alison Foy and 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Angela Rothen in the last two weeks we've been able 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: to speak with Lisa Valentino, Alison's sister, and Monica Cason, 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: who was the searcher that assisted the families and their 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: efforts to find their loved ones. And if y'all haven't 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: heard those two episodes, do yourself a favor and listen 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: to these two folks. They are not only incredible human beings, 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: but they are warriors. My great grandfather was a disc 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: attorney and a small jurisdiction in South Georgia. I grew 11 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: up on the front porch on those hot Southern nights, 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: listening to stories about his quick mind and the way 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: he applied the law so fairly. He had no choice 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: because it was such a small town. He knew everybody, 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: he knew every victim, and he knew every accused, so 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: he literally had to look at everything as fairly as possible. 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: He never went to law school. He just studied under 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: his father and became an attorney that way, which you 19 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: could do years and years ago. Ironically, my great grandfather 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: and the grandfather of District Attorney Louis Layton in Fulton 21 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: County were friends. And it was amazing to me whenever 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: I got to watch d A. Lewis Slayton in court 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: when I did my internship at nineteen years old, which 24 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: is the same age my great grandfather was when he 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: was admitted to the bar, that our families were friends. 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: And these connections are not lost on me, not historically, 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: not personally, because they formed the way I see, not 28 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: just my hometown court system, but the seed A system 29 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: as a whole. Justice is blind, y'all, but there's other 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: senses that she can use and here and in touching 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: to me or kid. So when law enforcement puts a 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: case file together to present to the distric Attorney, they 33 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,279 Speaker 1: lay their case out, all the evidence they have, the witnesses, 34 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: how they see the case playing out almost in court, 35 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: and what you can present to your judge and jury. 36 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: And in this case, the detectives were able to present 37 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: this case more than once to District Attorney Ben David. 38 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: So Ben David is the d A own Alison and 39 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: Angela's cases. He's the one that takes all the case files, 40 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: reviews it and determines whether or not ethically and legally 41 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: he can move forward. So we are lucky today to 42 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: be able to get to sit with him and go 43 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: over what he has, more importantly, what he might need, 44 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: and how we can help him, including maybe getting people 45 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: to come forward. I believe there are witnesses out there. 46 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: I believe he's got family members that have information, drinking 47 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: buddies that have information, ex cellmates that have information. All 48 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: we need is one to break this case wide open. Now, 49 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: I just want to recap a little bit. Alison Foy 50 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: thirty four and Angela Nobles forty two disappeared a year apart, 51 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 1: Allison in two thousand and six and Angela and two 52 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, but both their remains were found in 53 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: April of two thousand eight, just feed apart. Allison was 54 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: last seen at Junction Pub on July two thousand and six, 55 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: and Angela was last seen June tenth, two thousand seven, 56 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: at her own birthday party. But again they wound up 57 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: in a shallow grave together and law enforcement, of course, 58 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: could make no connection between the two. They did not 59 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: know each other. Angela's skull was fractured and some bones 60 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: in her face were broken the cause of death. There 61 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: was a cut to her neck. Allison was stabbed over 62 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: forty times. So I ain't gonna waste any more time. 63 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and introduce District Attorney Ben David. 64 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: Mr David, thank you so much for being with us today, Cheryl, 65 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: thank you for having me. What a wonderful introduction. I 66 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: didn't know that about your family. Might know. I have 67 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: an identical twin brother who's the elected district attorney in 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: the neighboring three counties, so it runs in our family 69 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: as well. Absolutely, I did not know that. Extraordinary, But again, 70 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: you and your brother both know what we're talking about 71 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: down there near Cape Fear, even the book that you wrote. 72 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: It is imperative that you under stand every facet of 73 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: your cases because you're going to know the victims and 74 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: the suspects as well. We say that today's victim is 75 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: tomorrow's defendant because frequently the people who come in and 76 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: out of this courthouse one day, they might be struggling 77 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: with an addiction. The next day they might be breaking 78 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: into a home or a car to support it, or 79 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: even prostituting their bodies. And actually, the case we're about 80 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: to talk about We had a young woman tell her 81 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: truth in the courtroom this week who I've prosecuted many times, 82 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: but she's also a victim, and she was able to 83 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: speak for women who couldn't speak for themselves. You know, 84 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: you just mentioned something because I think a lot of 85 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: people don't really completely understand our world. But I've got 86 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: a buddy, John Cross, and he always says, your victim 87 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: today is your suspect tomorrow, and your suspect today is 88 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: your victim tomorrow. That's right. It's the revolving door at 89 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: the courthouse we talk about where these folks are caught 90 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: in a cul de sac and despair. They seemingly are 91 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: in this never ending feedback loop where they are in 92 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: and out of victimization and and even jail in prison 93 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: because they're also taking that out on other people, are 94 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: hurting the community to continue hurting themselves in the case 95 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: of drug addiction. And the good news is I get 96 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: to know my whole community through this job, and I've 97 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: been the elected attorney for eighteen years now. That the 98 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: terrible thing is the way I get to meet some 99 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: of them. And obviously, the worst way to meet a 100 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: family is when their loved ones never coming home right. 101 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: And you and I have talked many times over the 102 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: years about this case, and you know, I've tried to 103 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: help in certain ways. I've tried to offer the invad 104 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: and different things, and I've gotten frustrated a couple of times. 105 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: I was frustrated, just like you are. And I've always 106 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: said to the families of the ladieshire talking about now 107 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: that we all want the same thing we do, and 108 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: we also understand your job. You get one shot. We 109 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: know that you get one shot, you know, but sometimes 110 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: when you didn't go to law school and you sit 111 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: there and you think, gosh, this case as a circumstantial case, 112 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: it's pretty solid. And you and I talked about the 113 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: nobody case you prosecuted and we're successful. And I'm like, 114 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Mr David, you were successful in prosecuting a nobody case. 115 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: And here you have to how in the world are 116 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: we not a grand jury. So here's what I'm gonna 117 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: ask you to do on this particular episode. I know 118 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: you're a college professor and and your students love you, 119 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: and you've written a great book, but just talk to 120 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: me like I'm one of your students, because I didn't 121 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: go to law school, and it's not as easy as 122 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: just I'm gonna go in front of the grand jury 123 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: and get this guy indicted, because he's not just a suspect, 124 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: he's the only suspect. But just walk me through what 125 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: when you first learned about Alison and Angela and how 126 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: you started piecing it together and what you thought immediately 127 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: you just start like we're in your classroom. Sure, okay, Well, 128 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: right when these bodies were found, we developed information that 129 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Timothy iron One, as a cab driver, because both of 130 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: them were waiting on a cab driver, was a lead suspect. 131 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: We knew that he picked up vulnerable young women, many 132 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: of whom were prostituting their bodies, and there was evidence 133 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: that Ms. Rothan was in that community, and so we said, 134 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: let's take a hard look at him. And there was 135 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: a case that had been resolved pretty recently in the 136 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: court system with a young woman who I'm going to 137 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: call Sonya Donya actually was friends with Angie. He was 138 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: a young woman who when she was growing up with 139 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: her mother and three uncles, became abused by them almost 140 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: immediately as a child. In sus victim, they actually threw 141 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: dead snakes on her in bed and said if you 142 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: ever tell anyone these snakes will be alive. She ended 143 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: up getting a terrible drug addiction to medicate that pain. 144 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: She ended up walking the streets for ten years, was 145 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: in all sorts of terrible circumstances over that next decade 146 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: where she was a street walker. The only time she 147 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: ever reported victimization to the police, the only time she 148 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: ever ran to them instead of from them, was the 149 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: night she met Timothy, I and Anny for the first time. 150 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: And I know you and I again. We see the 151 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: same people, even though we're in different states. But I 152 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: can tell you straight up, I have never dealt with 153 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: somebody that was a sex worker that was not sexually 154 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: abused as a child. That's right now, and that that's 155 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: what we mean by today's victim is tomorrow is defendant. 156 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: Very frequently, the young women who were in hotel rooms 157 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: and high on heroin and fentnell, they have very traumatic childhoods. 158 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: We call it ACES in North Carolina, Adverse childhood experiences 159 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: and adverse community environments. There's a whole science around that 160 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: that's probably better for another podcast, but suffice it to say, 161 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: Sonia was someone who absolutely was victimized throughout her life 162 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: and She never pretended to be a victim when she wasn't, 163 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: but when she actually was one, she frequently did not 164 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: report it because she looked at the police as the 165 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: enemy instead of friends. But on August two thousand seven, 166 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: Timothy I and he picked her up in his cab 167 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: and drove her to right behind the Pirates Table, which 168 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: is off a Ralligh road, and held her at knife 169 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: point and ended up sexually assaulting her, threatening her with 170 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: that knife to kill her, and actually tied her up 171 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: with duct tape. It was only when she was able 172 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: to wriggle free from that and talk him into getting 173 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: out of there that she ultimately was able to run, 174 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: literally kicking and screaming to the police. He was arrested 175 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: later that night and charged. The police were initially skeptical 176 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: they she went and got a rape kid. She claimed 177 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: to be a kidnap victim, but when we went to 178 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: try and find her in preparation for the trial, she 179 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: acknowledged to us in this trial that she went to ground. 180 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: She did not want to participate. She was ducking subpoenas 181 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: DT More couldn't find her. One of my prosut uters 182 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: at the time, Drew Lewis sent her a letter to 183 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: an address that she acknowledged wasn't even going to reach her. 184 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: That's what was listed in the police reports. And so 185 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: she ultimately had her case pled out to a felony 186 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: of what's called crimes against nature. And this was all 187 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: before we found Angie and Allison. So when that case 188 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: was resolved, it nonetheless had Timothy I and Any listed 189 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: as a suspect, and so that was resolved in November 190 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: of two thousand seven. Well, of course, this grim discovery 191 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: was made in April of two thousand seven in the 192 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: very spot that she claimed to be a victim, and 193 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: based on the fact that he was tied into at 194 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: least circumstantially to this, officers turned their full attention towards 195 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: Mr ian Ny. And so we couldn't prosecute that case 196 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: anymore because it had been resolved and it would be 197 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: double jeopardy to recharge. And even though we wished we could. 198 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: So what this office has done through the years, and 199 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: I hope you see from his criminal record that he 200 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: has twenty five felony convictions, including about twenty of them 201 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: post two thousand seven. We came up with every which 202 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: way to prosecute him for various financial crimes he had done, 203 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: mostly embezzlement and what's called obtaining property by false pretenses, 204 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: and we're able to make him a habitual felon so 205 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: that we can put him in prison for several years, 206 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: much the way that al Capone was put in prison 207 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: for tax evasion, even though we know he killed at 208 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: least eighteen people. Absolutely, I was just going to say, 209 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: y'all took the al Capone route, which is, again, you're 210 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: doing everything you can, but you've got two families here 211 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: that probably see it differently. Right, of course they do, 212 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: and and listen, prosecutors speak for the dead in murder trials. 213 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: We give victims a voice at the courthouse on the 214 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: conscious for this community anytime a crime occurs. The fifty 215 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: people who work in my office, the twelve hundred who 216 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: work law enforcement, they do what they do for a 217 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: living for people just like Timothy, I and Ny, and 218 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: just for victims like Angie and Allison. So no one 219 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: needs to give us a sermon about caring or wanting 220 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: what's right out of this case. Ethics rules prevent me 221 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: from talking about the facts of appending case. That is 222 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: three six and three eight of the ethics rules. Different 223 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: states do it differently, but we're not allowed to literally 224 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: say what we have and don't have in this case. 225 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that we have submitted a lot of 226 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: evidence through the years two labs. We have interviewed dozens 227 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: and dozens of people, We have convened critical case reviews 228 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: to analyze what we have, and even gone outside this 229 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: office to get outside opinions. We have done everything we 230 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: could to say do we have enough? And it is 231 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: the learned opinion of every dispassionate senior prosecutor and most 232 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: of the police officers we've talked to that we simply 233 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: didn't have enough to go forward on the murder trials 234 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: to get those ladies justice. But we've always wanted to 235 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: put Timothy ian One away for anything absolutely. So once 236 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: you knew what did you instinctively go into action? What 237 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: was your plan? Like I said, go to the al 238 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: capone method first and see if we couldn't put him 239 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: in custody for anything, which we were ultimately successful in doing. 240 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: We also wanted to see if we could tie together 241 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: any other cases Mr ian Ony has, And just so 242 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: you know where we are, there's twenty different police agencies 243 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: in my district with like I said, over twelve officers, 244 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: and some of them change up through time. Now, of 245 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: course everything is on computers and you can touch a 246 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: button and print out a lot about someone's record or 247 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: what law enforcement touches they have, but that hasn't always 248 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: been the case. Prior to everything was still off of computers. 249 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: That is, it was offline. And then her to find 250 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: different suspect information, you have to methodically go through file 251 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: after file and that that's ultimately, by the way, how 252 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: we caught a break against Mr Ian Eddy. It is 253 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: hard to keep a secret in a small town. Everybody 254 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: knows the car you drive, they know where you live, 255 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: they know where you work, they know your children, they 256 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: know where you go to church. They probably know what 257 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: liquor store you like. Timothy an One was known to 258 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement. They knew him. Prostitutes knew him, drug dealers 259 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: knew him. So you've got two polar opposite groups, police 260 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: and criminals that know this man. He didn't keep his 261 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: secret from any of them. But here's sometimes how it works. 262 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: A young girl, it's a drug addict that chooses to 263 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: make her living as a sex worker, often times goes 264 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: where the work is. So if Atlanta is having the 265 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, she may go to Atlanta for a week 266 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: and leave Wilmington. She also may get arrested and go 267 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: to jail for a period of time. Nobody considers her missing. 268 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: Nobody thinks of her as she's vanished. They just think 269 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: she's either somewhere else working or maybe she got pinched. 270 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: That's it. So when you have someone go missing who 271 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: is known on the street, you tend to look at 272 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: your usual suspects. And in this case, it absolutely should 273 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: have been Timothy ian One. But everybody knew it, and 274 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: everybody knew sometimes he would hurt people, and everybody knew 275 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: that sometimes those people didn't show back up. Tell me 276 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: a little bit about when you have Sonia and then 277 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: you have another rape kick come with an additional victim, 278 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: but their cases are similar, so you've got a similar transaction. 279 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: Tell me what you did recently, in specifically June, a 280 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: young woman named Michelle was walking down the street. She 281 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: is not a sex industry worker. She had recently broken 282 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: up with her husband and she was trying to exchange 283 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: their two kids with her husband, and they missed each 284 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: other at a gas station, and so she was walking 285 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: back because she did not have a car. A man 286 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: drove by a couple of times and asked her if 287 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: she'd like to get in. She said no. He then 288 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: flashed a badge at her the third time and said, 289 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: you could be arrested for blocking traffic. You have two choices. 290 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: You can either get in my car and I can 291 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: take you to somewhere safe where you can call somebody 292 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: to pick you up, or I can take you to jail. Michelle, 293 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: who never been in trouble was raised to respect police officers, 294 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: said I'll get in. It was Timothy Ianni, and he 295 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: took her to a dirt road with woods where you 296 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: can scream and know and can hear you. And there 297 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: he brutally sexually assaulted her at knife point and also 298 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: had a gun on the floorboard of his car. Just 299 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: to reinforce the point that she wasn't going anywhere. He 300 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: left her on a heap on the ground and drove off. 301 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: This young woman was found by a jogger who just 302 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: happened to be coming through that remote area. He hailed 303 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: down a police officer at a more major intersection, and 304 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: then the rape investigation started. Michelle went to new head 305 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: of a Regional Medical Center, and thank goodness, got a 306 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: rape kit. That's a very invasive procedure that you probably 307 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: know about, but it involves, it involves getting any forensic 308 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: evidence from the victim. And that rape kit was collected 309 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: within an hour and a half of that incident. It 310 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: then sat on a shelf because back in six it 311 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: was the policy of the state crime Lab that you 312 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: couldn't send in a rape kit unless you had an 313 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: identified suspect. Well, two and a half months go by 314 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: and this young woman who's already been to the police 315 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: station to look through mug books and can't find anybody 316 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: who fit the suspects description that she thinks did it. 317 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: And that's because Timothy ian One, by the way, was 318 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: not in that mug book, even though we already had 319 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: a felony conviction and two prior misdemeanors that was through 320 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: the new handover County Sheriff's office, and those two agencies 321 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: did not yet have information that linked up with each 322 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: other for mug book purposes. So two and a half 323 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: months later, she's down at a bar in Carolina Beach 324 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: and she sees Timothy ian One in the bar. She's 325 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: sure it's him. She runs out of there to the boardwalk, 326 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: hails down a police officer from Carolina Beach and says, 327 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: the man who raped me two and a half months 328 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: ago is in that bar. You know again. Office service 329 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: in different agencies knew each other but didn't have each 330 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: other's investigative files. He called up to w p D, 331 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: an online and on call detective came down interviewed Mr Ianni, 332 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: who denied any involvement or ever being on Titanium Road 333 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: where this event occurred, said he didn't know her. He 334 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: said the detective who was on call, I'm not going 335 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: to arrest you tonight. You need to come on into 336 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: w p D so we can interview you further. They 337 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: did that the next Monday, after this weekend, and Mr 338 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: ian One essentially talked his way out of there with 339 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: the lead detective saying he wanted to follow up again 340 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: with the victim to show her a lineup now that 341 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: he had a picture of Mr ian any He couldn't 342 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: find that victim anywhere, and we think that's because Hurricane 343 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: fran happened five days after this initial sighting, and she 344 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: left not only Carolina Beach but the state of North 345 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: Carolina for the next several years, so w p D 346 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: closed that case is unsolved back in, and that rape 347 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: kid sat on a shelf for the next nearly quarter 348 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: of a century. Oh my lord. And so here's what happened, 349 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: Just so you know, in two thousand and seven, when 350 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: Timothy and he becomes a suspect for Signs Kim, the 351 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: lead detective doesn't even know that case exists because even 352 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: though he's now in a police report that says we 353 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: questioned him about this brutal kidnapping and knife rape back in, 354 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: they didn't even have access to their own records that 355 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: weren't online in the WPD, and so that detective was 356 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: unaware of that case. Fast forward the clock to nineteen 357 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: when North Carolina passes what's called the Survivors Act, six 358 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: million dollars appropriated in order to test untested rape kids. 359 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: Thank goodness for that. Many of us advocated for that 360 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: law to come into effect. So the state Crime Lab 361 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: turned to all the police agencies and sheriffs in North 362 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: Carolina and said, we want to test these untested rape kids. 363 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: We know there's thousands of them. Try to prioritize them. 364 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: Look at the worst of the worst that might be 365 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: in your stack not consent cases where DNA might not 366 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: resolve the issue. Look at stranger abductions, look at intruders 367 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: with weapons those kinds or really terrible people that are suspects. 368 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: So it was only at that point in the November 369 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: of that the detectives spread out five hundred and thirty 370 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: two rape kids at the w p D and said 371 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: where do we start. And that's where a young female 372 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: detective who looked through old police reports that again weren't 373 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: on computers, but we're from handwritten notes from just an 374 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: interview in a bar, said, oh, my goodness, Timothy ian 375 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: One is on here. And so that jumped to the 376 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: line as as one of the very first things that 377 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: was done. And so that's when we not only were 378 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: able to send in the rape kit from but also 379 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: d n A that we took from Mr iron One 380 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand seven in order to try and solve 381 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: the case involving Sonya. Now, that is incredible police work. 382 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: That's how you absolutely that is old school, boots on 383 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: the ground, hands on every piece of evidence type of 384 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: police work that is just extraordinary. That's when this case 385 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: broke open and just a little wrinkle in this the 386 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: crime lab was so busy with these backlogged kits that 387 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: they hired a private lab in another state to process 388 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: many of them. And that rape kit was so old 389 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: and degraded that they said, there's something on the vaginal swab, 390 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: in other words, from inside the victim that says, we've 391 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: got d NA here, but it's so old and degraded 392 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: that we can't say much about it. This lab doesn't 393 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: have the tools and toys to do anything further, so 394 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: we have to say that this is inconclusive, but we 395 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: recommend that a state lab that has better resources take 396 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: a different look at it. And so that's when they 397 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: sent it back to w p D and a new 398 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: detective got involved and sent it to the state crime 399 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: lab and said, what else can you do? And there's 400 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: something called y s TR testing, and y s TR 401 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: is on the male chromosome. It's it's literally x y 402 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: and it's not as good as nuclear DNA. But comparing 403 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: it to a known suspect, and again we had Timothy 404 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: ions DNA, they batched up the various low SI there's 405 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: twenty two points of comparison you can make between Timothy 406 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: iannons degraded two thousand seven sample that was even missing 407 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: nine lows I itself against the rape kit sample, and 408 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: when we did that, they said, there's a one in 409 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: five thousand ants that anybody else would have this DNA. 410 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: And so if you're talking about a county of only 411 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: a hundred forty thousand people, seventy thousand of whom are males, 412 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: and even fewer that matched the description of being a 413 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: white male five ten to six ft and a hundred 414 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: eighty pounds, you're talking about only about fifteen people that 415 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: are walking around with that type of DNA. And that's 416 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: something a jury could understand. Not only could they understand it, 417 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: but here's the there's the next big break. We caught 418 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: Timothy Ianni has two brothers, Tom and Steve, and the 419 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: suspect called himself Tom to the victim. We know that Ianni, 420 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: when he would pick up prostitutes, would frequently use an alias, 421 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: and we knew on this night that he had used 422 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: his brother's identity as an alias, even saying that he 423 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: has a brother with two kids, talking about himself but 424 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: pretending to be this guy Tom. So, how do we 425 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: eliminate Tom as a suspect? Because, as you know, with 426 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: many much of this DNA that's not nuclear. Sometimes it's 427 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: shared by maternal and paternal relatives. Well, the great news 428 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: is that Tom ion Nuni and Steve Iannuni and Tim Ionnuni, 429 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: they all have the same mother, but they all three 430 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: have different fathers, and the y s tr is unique 431 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: to the paternal line, which means Tom was eliminated as 432 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: a suspect. He could not be one of those fifteen 433 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: people in New Hanover County who could have done this. 434 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: And I won't be able to understand too. Didn't Timothy 435 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: own his cab use his personal cell phone? Yes? Absolutely, 436 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: In fact, this was adduced at evidence as we were 437 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: trying to find other victims to say me too, because 438 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: that's obviously much stronger. When many women who are separated 439 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: by years and who have never met or all telling 440 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: the same story, we can link those cases up through 441 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: a common plan or scheme what they call in Latin 442 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: the modus operandi. And so we held a hearing back 443 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: in October before this trial where I said, judge, and 444 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: he was a great judge named Tom Wilson, visiting from Newbern. 445 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: I said, judge, let me tell you, as Paul Harvey 446 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: would say, the rest of the story. We know that 447 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: Sonia was was raped at knife point over the grave 448 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: of one of her friends and another woman. So Lee 449 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: Odam is going to get on the stand and talk 450 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 1: about those cases. That detective walked the streets for the 451 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: next several weeks after finding those bodies and found upwards 452 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: of seven other women who were all saying me too. 453 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: They're saying, I might be on the streets, but I 454 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: never signed up for this. And it was always the same. 455 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: He would say, I'll take you somewhere where you can 456 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: work off a favor for me to get a ride 457 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: to your next customer. And when he took them always 458 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: to these remote wooded areas, sometimes the very places where 459 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: Alison and Angie were found. He would hold them at 460 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: knife point and essentially torture them and sexually assault them. 461 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: None of those women reported it, except for Sonya, but 462 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: Lee was able to find them through just good old 463 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: fashioned police work and never giving up. We tried to 464 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: get other of those cases admitted into this trial. Only 465 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: Sonia's was allowed to be admitted. One of the women 466 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: has since died of a heroin overdose. Another one her 467 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: case was considered too dissimilar by the judge because you 468 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: have to match up a lot of points of similarity, 469 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: just like you do with this DNA we're talking about 470 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: for it to be relevant and missible. But nonetheless, we 471 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: knew exactly who we had in front of us back 472 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. And that's what I tried 473 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: to present pre trial. And the judge heard just enough 474 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: to say, not only is Michelle going to be able 475 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: to tell her truth after a quarter of a century, 476 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: but Sonia, who was never able to really speak about 477 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: her victimization in a courtroom, She's now going to be 478 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: able to play a game of It's your Life tim 479 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: Ianni also and tell the jury what happened to her. 480 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: And both those women were courageous and brave and came 481 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: in and did it. And you know something, I have 482 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: a buddy, Ashley Wilcox, who is on Court TV as 483 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: one of their anchors, and she says, think about the emotional, 484 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: manic and greatest sexual escapage you ever had? Would you 485 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 1: want to walk into a room of thirty strangers and 486 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: tell them about it? I mean, here's the thing. People 487 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: try and raise consent defenses in rape cases. I remind 488 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: juries of a couple of things. These rape kits we're 489 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: talking about right now. For a woman to go in 490 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: and get a rape kit, she has not only spread 491 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: apart in this presence of strangers. After they put like 492 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: a black light all over called the woods, like to 493 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: see if anything's glowing on our body, they spread her apart. 494 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: They put Q tips inside of every orifice you can 495 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: think of, and then they have to pull not only 496 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: fifty head hairs for DNA comparisons against the suspect, but 497 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: fifty individual pubic hairs. Now who would sit met themselves 498 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: to that, let alone the humiliation of them having to 499 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: go in and retell that story to total strangers time 500 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: and time again in the course of an investigation, and 501 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: then come with your entire community watching in front of 502 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: not only twelve jurors, but maybe dozens of other people. 503 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: And there were in this courtroom watching. And that's why 504 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of our local media for not giving 505 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: the names of rape victims who would want to report 506 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: it if they knew they were going to be on 507 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: the cover of the paper. For that, if you don't 508 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: want to tell complete strangers the greatest sexual experience of 509 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: your life, you've certainly absolutely and that's why that's why 510 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: it's the most underreported case in the criminal justice system. 511 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: In fact, I've heard and I don't know Sheryff you've 512 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: got this number at already, but I've heard only one 513 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: out of eighteen people who perpetrate a sex offense ever 514 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: taste the inside of a jail. For all the dynamics 515 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about right now. And I'll say something else 516 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: that sometimes I get backlash forward, but it's the truth. 517 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: Nobody rapes one time, very frequently. What you see in 518 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: these cases, these things are a learned behavior and when 519 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: these guys figure out they can get away with it, 520 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: and they and they figure out that, particularly if you 521 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: have vulnerable victims, they're unlikely to come forward because of 522 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: maybe fear of police, and even if they do, those 523 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: cases are sometimes not handled in the same way in 524 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: different parts of our country. We have an absolute duty 525 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: to make sure that the road ends anytime someone is 526 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: saying that they've been sexually assaulted, because these cases always 527 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: happen again. Amen, Amen, Amen, And I think you can't 528 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: say that enough and people can't hear it enough because 529 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: you're going to be judged. And I hear all the time, 530 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: what was she where? And why was she there alone? 531 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: Why was she drinking. All these kind of things. Nobody 532 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: ever says, why was he there? Why did he go 533 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: with her? Why was he drinking? That's never say so again. 534 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: You know that you're the one that's going to be literally, 535 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, judged by these folks well. And also there's 536 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: another dynamic, and that is that they're frequently victims are 537 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: so traumatized right after something like this happens that it's 538 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: like throwing a puzzle up into the air and coming 539 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: down and there's only pieces. And now you're getting them 540 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 1: to try and recount everything, and when their details are 541 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: all over the map, people think, well, they must be 542 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: making this up. I mean, obviously, if they just endured this, 543 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: that it's it's such an intimate thing, they'd be able 544 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: to recount every detail. That's not how trauma is stormed 545 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: in the brain. And actually Michelle did a great job 546 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: explaining to folks, I don't remember anything until actually being 547 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: at the rape Crisis center. If you tell me I 548 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: talked to a jogger, or I talked to two different 549 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: police officers there in the woods. I just don't remember it. 550 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm not disputing it. I'm not disputing some of these 551 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: things I said but for for them to be cross 552 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: examine a cross examined about every little detail that they 553 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: might have missed. That's like asking Mrs Lincoln how the 554 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: rest of the play was. She's not going to be 555 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: able to tell you. She just knows her husband was murdered. 556 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: And it's just like when people say, well, she was 557 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: wearing a mini skirt, Hold up a second, twenty seven 558 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: years old wearing a mini skirt. Explained to me the 559 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: eight seven year old that was right, or the three 560 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: year old was right. My oldest rape victim in the 561 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: time I've been district attorney was nine five years old, 562 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: and I remember having a press conference immediately after a 563 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: case involving the rape of a senior citizen who was 564 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: eight one years old. And she insisted on holding a 565 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: press conference afterwards because she was a career newspaper reporter 566 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: and she knew the dynamic that a lot of people 567 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: didn't come forward, and because they don't frequently have spokeswomen 568 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: for this, she was going to be that spokeswoman. And 569 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: she said, you know what, if it could happen to me, 570 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: it could happen to you. This is a crime of violence, 571 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: it's not a crime of sex. And I encourage women 572 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: to come forward and do you know what happened? And 573 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: this was, by the way, in two thousand five, way 574 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: before the Me Too movement, the five allowing year, out 575 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: of forty two judicial districts out of a hundred counties 576 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, we led the state in judicial districts 577 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: and in county in the number of reported rape cases. 578 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: And that's a good thing because the most underreported crime 579 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: finally had a woman who said, you know what, you 580 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: need to do this. And that's why I'm so proud 581 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: of Michelle after this case, insisting on saying, you know what, 582 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: I know that they haven't reported my identity up until now. 583 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: She's been living in a hotel for two and a 584 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: half weeks during this trial. Right after the verdict, when 585 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: she walked into that hotel, she said, everyone started cheering. 586 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: She said, you know what. The staff put it together. 587 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: They knew who I was, they knew how bad this 588 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: guy was. And I realized I don't need to run 589 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: from this. I didn't do anything wrong. He's to blame, 590 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: not me. I want to tell it. And so after 591 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: the sentencing hearing, which was the next morning, she wanted 592 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: to have a press conference and say it's important for 593 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: the trail to end when people are victimized, and the 594 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: only way to do that is to have these cases 595 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: handled when they occur, not a decade or in this case, 596 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: twenty six years later. What a remarkable hotel staff, what 597 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: remarkable people. And and Michelle deserves that. She deserves all 598 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: the support and care and love she can get. And 599 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,959 Speaker 1: she didn't do anything wrong, and you mentioned it then, 600 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: But I just want to reiterate for people when you 601 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: look at these crimes of rate and you think, okay, 602 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: instead of a NiFe, he used a penis, and sometimes 603 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: people like Timothy I only used both. But it is 604 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: a weapon. It has nothing to do with sex at all, 605 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: that's right. I mean, how can you say a child 606 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: is a sex object or a year old person is? 607 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's about power and control. And 608 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: and one thing that I said to that jury in 609 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: closing the argument out, as I said, Timothy Ianni is 610 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: used to being in control. He's like a writer of 611 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: his own horror story that's actually a true story, one 612 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: that has spanned three deck aids. And this last page 613 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: of the book that is his life, you get to write. 614 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: It's called the verdict sheet, and you have the power 615 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: of the pen. He's not in the woods now, he's 616 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: in our house, and you get to decide how the 617 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: story ends. And the only way that story ends is 618 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: guilty as charged a first degree rape, first degree kidnapping. 619 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: Put him in prison forever through your verdict, and they did. 620 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: If Timothy iron One is in prison, why is it 621 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: important to move forward on the murder of Alison Foy 622 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: and Angela Rawson. He will likely spend the rest of 623 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: his life there. But he's in prison for rape. He 624 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: is not in prison for murdering Alison and Angela. In 625 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: Atlanta during nineteen seventy nine to one, we had the 626 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: missing and Murder are Children cases in Atlanta, and I 627 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to meet with and advocate for several 628 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: of those families over the years. And one thing that 629 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: they kept saying to me over and over and over 630 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: is they never got their justice. Wayne Williams was convicted 631 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: of two murders two adults. He was never convicted of 632 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: killing one of the children. Not one family of one 633 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: child got their day in court. Not one child's family 634 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: heard the evidence against Mr Williams in an open court. 635 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: Not one family had the opportunity to face the accused, 636 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: give a victim impact statement, tell the court and the 637 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: jury what these crimes had done to their family and 638 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: to them personally. Not one child's family was able to 639 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: see a jury from their community convict the killer of 640 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: their child. The families of the missing and murdered children 641 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: today feel cheated. Some of them even believe he didn't 642 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: commit the crimes. And again they've never seen or heard 643 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: all of the evidence against him. In their child's specific case, 644 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: Timothy an One is in prison. It matters to Lisa, 645 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: and it matters to Karina and the rest of their families. 646 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: It matters to be able to face that man in 647 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: open court, here the evidence against him, and give their 648 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: own victim impact statements. They deserve to see and hear 649 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: the evidence as well. They deserve to let a jury decide. 650 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: Cops sometimes make fun of detectives when cases don't make, 651 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: and detectives make fun of prosecutors when cases don't make, 652 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: and prosecutors might make fun of judges when cases don't make. 653 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 1: But we all are on the same team. And even 654 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: though in the past I just could not wrap my 655 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: mind around why you could not go forward, but I 656 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: respect so much what you did on Michelle's case. Tell 657 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: everybody the verdict. The jury was out an hour and 658 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: forty minutes and they came back guilty as charged, not 659 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: only of both of those counts, and that's all he 660 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: was charged with in this case. But there were three 661 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: different theories of first degree kidnapping under North Carolina law. 662 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: One is that you kidnapped someone for the purposes of 663 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: committing a sex offense. Well, if the underlying felony that 664 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: you convict on is a rape case, you have to 665 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: do what's called arrest judgment on that first degree kidnapping. 666 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: It's essentially a double jeopardy principle that you can't punish 667 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: him for first greet kidnapping if the underlying basis to 668 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: make it first degree kidnapping is also a sex offense. 669 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: So what we also did is indicted him on two 670 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: other legal theories, one with the left her in an 671 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: unsafe place, which also converts a second degree kidnapping to 672 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 1: first degree, and we said he left her out in 673 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: the woods, and also that she has suffered permanent injury 674 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: um and we're not talking about any bruises and he cuts. 675 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: There was no nothing in her medical exam that showed 676 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: any injuries at all, but the mental injury, the trauma 677 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: that she experienced. She said, I haven't been able to 678 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: trust men after this. I haven't been able to trust 679 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: police officers after this, because he pretended to be an 680 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: undercover cop. And even though I've done my best to 681 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 1: raise my two boys and get on with my life, 682 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: he took a piece of me in those woods that 683 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: I can't give to anyone else anymore. And in the 684 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: fullness of time, we know that that is a true 685 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: statement based on what her last quarter of a centuries 686 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: looked like. The jury found him guilty not only a 687 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: first degree rape, but first degree kidnapping under all three 688 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: of those legal theories, which means the judge could have 689 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,439 Speaker 1: both convictions before him when sentencing, and he did what's 690 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: called box car or consecutive sent and he max him 691 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: out under the law. And because Timothy I and Onni 692 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: had a terrible criminal record, even though he had a 693 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: pretty minor record back in I was able to successfully 694 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: argue that we should consider his record in today's terms, 695 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: not back when he did the crime. So he had 696 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: a much greater sensing enhancement because of those more than 697 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: twenty prior felony convictions that my office loaded him up 698 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: with through the years to make him al capone. So 699 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: in tandem with both of those things, both with this 700 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: great verdict that the jury so deliberately made sure it 701 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: give us all the tools in the belt to send 702 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: him most and with the enhanced punishment because of his 703 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: greater habitual felon record, we were able to box car him, 704 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: meaning run those senses consecutive to each other and maxim out. 705 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: So the mandatory minimum he has to serve is forty 706 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 1: nine years in prison to fifty nine and a half, 707 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: and at age sixty one, that means he's not eligible 708 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: for release till he's a hundred ten years old. I 709 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: love everything about at and I love the fact that 710 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: he will never see the light of day outside of 711 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: prison ever in his pathetic life. So what I'm also 712 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: prayerful of is because of that, there's no chance he's 713 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: getting out. So maybe somebody will feel more confident to 714 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: come forward that maybe has some information about Alison and Angela, 715 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: his wife, for example, somebody he drinks with a buddy, 716 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: somebody he was locked up with he's bragged to, somebody 717 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: he's told somebody there was another victim he told about it. 718 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: Why don't you tell people where he raped one person 719 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: at the graveyard? That's right, well, Sonia was raped at 720 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: the graveyard. I mean that was that was on three 721 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: twelve Raleigh Street, which was within walking distance of where 722 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,359 Speaker 1: Angie and Allison were found. So yes, and here's the thing. 723 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: That's why we wanted to hold this press conference after 724 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: the verdict. Not only did we want Michelle to speak 725 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: her truth, but I met with the Chief of Police 726 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: ahead of that time and said I on a dedicated 727 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 1: phone line set up for the community to call in 728 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: with any tip moving forward on Alison and Angie's cases. 729 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: Because in my experience, and I've had now twenty three 730 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor trying these murder cases and rape cases, 731 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: is when people understand that a terrible individual is never 732 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: getting out, it changes the game in terms of people 733 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: fearing reprisal, retaliation and retribution. Absolutely, they sometimes come forward 734 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: with details that only the killer can know in the 735 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: case of a murderer, and so we have cracked cold 736 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: cases many times where you know, it is the wife, 737 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: it is the daughter, it is the drinking buddy, it 738 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: is the cell mate who says, you know what, this 739 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: guy can't hurt anybody anymore. I want to be able 740 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: to finish up some unfinished business. This is being weighing 741 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: on me. And so that that is still what we 742 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: are hopeful about, that someone who knows something about those 743 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: cases will come forward. Absolutely remain committed to taking those 744 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: cases forward if we're able to prove it in a courtroom. 745 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: And just to just to tie that off a little bit. 746 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: It's not whether we can get an indictment. It's not 747 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: whether we can buy probable cause standard say that he's 748 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: responsible for those cases. We've already said that in a 749 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: courtroom through these what are called four or four be hearings, 750 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: these other crimes evidence thing to give the judge a 751 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: full view of how he came onto our radar screen, 752 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: why we drew his DNA and tested it against the 753 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: other one we had to give the judge out of 754 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: the presence of the jury in this rape case. The 755 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: reason for why we were doing all of that. The 756 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: issue is not whether he likely did it, it's whether 757 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 1: we can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. And again 758 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: I am not able because of the ethics rules to 759 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,879 Speaker 1: show you the evidence we have or don't have in 760 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: that case. You're absolutely right that circumstantial evidence can be 761 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: every bit as powerful as direct evidence. I told the jury, 762 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: For instance, if I'm trying to prove that it's raining outside, 763 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: I can call a witness who is it a window 764 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,839 Speaker 1: because we might be in a windowless room right now, 765 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: as a jury, who can testify under oath that it's raining. 766 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: Or I can bring in someone dripping wet who's holding 767 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: an umbrella and a rain jacket, and that's physical evidence. 768 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: That's circumstantial evidence. We can try some cases where we 769 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: don't even have direct or circumstantial but we have a 770 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: pattern of conduct. And that's in fact what I did 771 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: with the James Bradley case that you mentioned earlier, the 772 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: Nobody homicide, which could be its own podcast. We have 773 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: done cases like that before. Every case is unique. We 774 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: look at the evidence before us and the laws that 775 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: apply to determine whether we can get justice in a courtroom, 776 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,720 Speaker 1: and we never ever give up. He said to Sonia 777 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: in those woods, He said, my wife's been cheating on me, 778 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: and I want a killer, but I can't, so I'm 779 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: going to kill you instead. I mean, justice does not sleep, 780 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: just asked Timothy I and nony A case from twenty 781 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: six years ago is the reason he's in jail tonight 782 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: and will be in prison for the rest of his life. 783 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: And I have to say, watching that press conference, the 784 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,839 Speaker 1: one sentence that just leaked out at me is when 785 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: you say it and I quote, we are not finished 786 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: with Mr iron One. That's right. I can't thank you 787 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: enough for being with us today. And I appreciate you 788 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: taking my calls through the years. I appreciate you taking 789 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: my uh not always so understanding, you know, attitude, you 790 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: know towards what you are orn't doing. I want you 791 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,400 Speaker 1: to know I appreciated those calls. And I talked to 792 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: Lisa Valentino right after the verdict and I said, you know, 793 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,280 Speaker 1: if this happened to someone I love, like a sister, 794 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: I would be in that d a's office screaming every 795 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: day too. I respect you, Lisa. This is not about 796 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: being on a different team. We want the exact same thing. 797 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: You just have to understand that there are folks trying 798 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: to do everything we can within the bounds of the 799 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: law to hold the man we believe if responsible for 800 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: your sister's death. With that, we've tried every which way 801 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: to do that through the years, and we have we 802 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: were continuing to do that and we are not finished 803 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: with Mr Iryan money. If you have any information on 804 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: who murdered Alison Foy and Angela Nobles Rothan, there's a 805 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: tipline nine one three three zero zero, contact the Wilmington's 806 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: Police Department and let them know what you know. It 807 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's a little thing and you don't 808 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,879 Speaker 1: think it's significant, let them decide whether or not it's significant. 809 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: You may have the information that could crack this case 810 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: wide open. If you don't want to contact law enforcement, 811 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,800 Speaker 1: contact the Q Center, contact Zone seven, reach out to someone, 812 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: whether it's crime stoppers or anybody you trust. You can 813 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: make all calls anonymously, but let somebody know what you know, y'all. 814 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna end Zone seven like I do always with 815 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: a quote from someone from my Zone seven. You alone 816 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: can make the difference in solving a case or getting 817 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: justice for the victim. And that comes from Alice from 818 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,720 Speaker 1: the Prosecutor's podcast. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone seven. 819 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,359 Speaker 1: Next week we wrap up this series on Alison Foy 820 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,399 Speaker 1: and Angela Nobles with Angela's sister Karina. We've heard from 821 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: family members, we've heard from one of the searchers, and 822 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 1: we've heard from the disc attorney. This case is gonna 823 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: take all of us, so join us next week on 824 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: Zone seven.